🔴The Great Feminization, What is it? | All Hallows Eve X-Space

Welcome to the special Halloween X Space where we will take YOUR input. Helen Andrews' essay "The Great Feminization," published in Compact Magazine on October 16, 2025, argues that wokeness isn't primarily ideological but a byproduct of demographic shifts toward female-majority institutions across society. Does she have a point?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't think this is about race. If I talk
about identity politics for example of any kind, I think
it's all feminine like, and that also comes out of
the political leaning. The divide is not left and right.
It is male and female. It's just that they tend to,
you know, like they tend to collectivize. In the left
or the right. The women tend to be more left

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because leftism prioritizes security, and it prioritizes, you know, like
looking out for the people who are disenfranchised or in need,
and so it has like this more compassionate compassionate put
in quotes, because I don't think that's how it usually goes,
but that's sort of like where it comes from. And
the right is more masculine. It's more interested in liberty

(00:44):
and freedom. And so that that's why we have two wings,
because we have two sexes. All right, Hello everybody, and
welcome to Honey Badger Radio. It's time for some fall vibes.
We're gonna be doing some X spaces and we're gonna
be talking about out a few things. Basically, I'm doing
an X space inviting anybody who wants to, who has

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an X account, and if you're not why why why
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It's probably the most social social media space right now.
And yeah, so we're gonna be chatting with whoever wants
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agree with me, fight with me, just don't try to
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spaces are gonna be like my I'm thinking about using
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definitely you know, on the table for that, because the
Badger Lodge is a bit of well, I see, there's
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you know a lot of work to like get it
set up and whatnot. So let me see here. I

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just gotta make some quick little changes. It looks like
there are some issues with Echo. I think I fixed it.
But anyway, what's going on here? All right, So we're
going to be looking at or talking about this essay
that I thought was pretty interesting called the Great Feminization.

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And I noticed the woman Helen Andrews who wrote it,
she has been She wrote it on Compact, which is
a website. It's kind of a it's a conservative Libertarian
a website. I don't go there very often, but that's
you know, kind of like just so you know where
this is coming from in terms of like the mental headspace.

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And ever since she's written this and posted this on Compact,
it's been doing the rounds and everyone has an opinion
on it, everyone's chiming in on it, and I think
it's really fascinating because the stuff that she's bringing up,
we've been talking about it for a long time, the
same phenomenon. And I guess what it means for me

(02:54):
is that these talking points are breaking into the mainstream more.
And I mean like in a way that was probably
like would have been completely unacceptable like five years ago,
maybe ten years ago. Yeah, And so like now it's
it's really become like a mainstream thing. And if there's time,
I'm only gonna go for an hour today. So if

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you want to get in the chat, you got to
like do it right away, do it now, don't waste time.
And there's a link to join the space in the
description of this video. Or if you're following me on
Honey Badger Arcade that's my Twitter page, then you'll find
that I'm live and you can join the space there.
You don't have to necessarily speak in the space, but

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it'd be nice if you were in the space so
that you know, you like, I'll know that there are
people that want to be a part of this conversation.
So while we had just started and I don't know what,
you know, like if anybody's gonna join, I thought I
would like, first of all, what do you guys think
about what I did with Halloween themed you know, background

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and stuff. I mean, I like to think in to
have a little bit of fun, a little bit of levity.
You know, we get a little bit seasonal, so like
come Thanksgiving, I'm probably gonna change it because I'm American
and we like Thanksgiving. And then come Christmas and New
Year's I'm probably gonna change it again. I usually do
a New Year's thing, so yeah, I'm probably gonna do it.

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So if you guys like my spoopy themed background, you know,
what are your thoughts on that? It's kind of cool?
Right I made it. I sort of made it myself,
I guess you could say, I mean, I use rock
to make it, but I animate it, so it's not
like I put a ton of work in, but I
did carve my very first pumpkin today. I never carved

(04:44):
a jack o' lenner in my life. And I told
that to Lindsay in passing. Yesterday we were watching Witches,
so a nineteen ninety movie, which is great. It's based
on Roll Dahl, who you know, he's basically a persona
non grata as far as like children's books is concerned
these days. But it's based on one of his books.
And we were just talking about Halloween stuff because I

(05:05):
want to watch some more like Halloween e themed movies
before the before the season is here, and she was like,
you never carved pumpkins? Like, no, I never. My family
did not do that, but we did the Halloween costumes
and stuff, but we're poor. I got the cheap, like
the cheap costumes made out of like plastic. With the
plastic mass I cut your tongue, So yeah, I could
have carved a jack o lantern today, So that was

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kind of cool. Oh hey, we got some people in here, Pepito,
then get some Italian fingers in the chat. CSA. If
any guys want to speak, raise your hand. Yeah, I
appreciate you joining the chat. Allison's not available today, she asked,
me to do something because she had to take Jonathan

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to a dentist appointment. So I think that these kinds
of streams are probably like a good idea. I'd rather
be doing this and talking about stuff with you guys directly,
if possible, than responding to another manifestel or you know,
drama queen or whatever. I'd rather not like, but whatever

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I get. I get that there are people who have
a thing for that. That's fine. But but yeah, so
so yeah, I carved my first pumpkin and I decorated this,
and I thought you might like fall vibes. You know,
all day, Lindsay's baking bread right now and she's making
she took the pumpkin seeds and she's putting that she
put them in the oven, so she loves pumpkin seeds.

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So I'm like, go go to town. But anyway, so
let me give you guys a little bit of a
short and dirty hello vasu ericson welcome and again, if
you guys have something you want to say, then just
I think you can raise your hand or request to
speak in here and then we'll take care of that.
So okay, well just the moment here, let me just

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try one thing, all right, all right, So I just
I just wanted to swamp it out so that you
guys can still hear me. Apparently the browser is using
my voice and putting it out through obs, which is
weird because normally the browser is an output, not an input.
But whatever, So all right. So Helen Andrews wrote an

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essay called the Great Feminization published in Compact magazine on
October sixteenth, twenty twenty five, and it argues that wokeness
is not primarily ideological, but a byproduct of demographic shifts
towards female majority institutions across society. So this is something
that we have been saying. Like I said it, I

(07:34):
think it was like when the George Floyd died, and
it was even maybe even before that, but I want
for sure it was then. And I noticed that and
also the election, the twenty sixteen election, I noticed that,
like some people in Honey Battery are like Allison weren't
entirely comfortable with speaking on issues of race because it
was first of all, not the focus, but also because

(07:55):
she was a little bit uncomfortable with it. And I
don't have a problem talking about race at all. I
don't give shit you know, and I said, I don't
think this is about race. I think this is like
if I talk about identity politics for example of any kind.
I think it's all feminine like, and that that also
comes out of the political leaning. I said this years ago.
I said that the divide is not left and right.

(08:16):
It is male and female. It's just that they tend to,
you know, like they tend to collectivize in the left
or the right. Like the women tend to be more
left because leftism prioritizes security, and it prioritizes, you know,
like looking out for the people who are disenfranchised or
in need, and it so it has like this more

(08:37):
compassionate compassionate put in quotes, because I don't think that's
how it usually goes. But that's sort of like where
it comes from. And the right is more masculine, it's
more interested in liberty and freedom. And so that that's
why we have two wings, because we have two sexes
and not just not again, this isn't like an absolute
Obviously there are left wing men and there are right

(08:58):
wing women. But for the most part that's what the
underlying you know, the underlying values that are playing out
are playing out in that in that regard, and so like,
I was seeing this for a long time, and so
it's it's and I think that what happened, not just
with with George Floyd, riots and the Me Too movement
and everything, it was all basically an expression of a

(09:21):
feminine way of being, a feminine mode of act of
organization that was expressing itself. And so Helen Andrews wrote this,
and I thought it was really interesting because she's saying
what we've been saying, and this means and this is
actually making a lot of traction. Like I said before,
it's been going everywhere. It's being discussed. So eucophobic misanthrope says,

(09:43):
I agree, Brian, thank you. Robert Johnson says, if you
enjoy doing it, rock on. Gabriel says, Ai pumpkins, Well yeah,
sort of. I mean a pumpkin is a pumpkin, right,
So anyway, so she says she defines this feminization as
women increasingly dominating fields like education, which women have dominated

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that for a long time, medicine, law, journalism, and management,
which import feminine social norms which emphasize empathy, emotional safety,
group cohesion, and consensus over rationality, risk taking, competition and
open conflict. This leads to pathologies like cancel culture, which
where disagreement is handled via ostracism rather than debate, and

(10:27):
institutions prioritize feelings over evidence or due process Title nine
Kangaroo courts or the Kavanaugh hearings, for example. Andrews draws
on research showing women value societal harmony more than free
speech and links it to broader trends like men exiting
feminized professions due to anti merit quotas and toxic masculinity crackdowns. Ultimately,

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she warns this misalignment erodes truth seeking, innovation, and individualism
in key sectors, calling for reversals like scrapping gender mandates
to restore natural balances before full entrenchment. This could make
for So this is why I chose This is why
I chose this topic. Okay, and this is a bit
of a long essay, So I'm gonna show it to

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you guys if you guys can look this up on
compactmag dot com. And it's called the Great Feminization. And
she's done some interviews and discussions about this, and I thought,
this is like an absolutely great topic because like we're
basically and Here's the thing that was really interesting about
this too, is that there she wasn't the first person

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to write it. Another person wrote another essay that got
her interested in in the in this as a topic.
And she said in an interview that she was asked
like who wrote the original, Like was another person that
wrote this thing? And she said that we don't know.
They wrote it under a pseudonym, a pseudonym, but the

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presumption is it was a man. And and that just
speaks again to the problem like men don't feel like
they can come comfortably criticized women. And in all the
interviews that she was doing, many of them, the women
or men who were interviewing them were essentially making caveats
or pushing back or you know, essentially challenging her, partly

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because it makes for a more interesting and robust interview,
but also there was a lot of fear there. There
was a lot of fear that they were going to
upset people, and they were making a lot of like
I don't want to say excuses, but they were, you know,
there was a lot of like, you know, let's say,
preparing to make a criticism, like I'm about to criticize women,
hold on everybody, let me make all the caveats, let
me let everybody know I don't hate women, you know,

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blah blah blah. And then they would make there and
and Helen was like, I'm you know, I'm just not
doing that anymore, Like I just it's so boring, right,
So let me see what you guys are saying here
before we continue. Is it feminization or feminism? Though, no, no,
it's the thing is. That's a good question, Peter Houston.
But I think ultimately it is feminization because she wasn't

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saying it to avoid saying feminism. She was because the
thing is, feminization is just a like a female way
of like being right. And I think feminism works because
it actually like appeals to that feminine framing. So I
think it's it's feminization more than feminism, because feminism is

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just like a I mean, it's a political movement ultimately,
but it's more than that too. It's a way of
framing the world. Okay, so I got tagged in Yeah,
here's a tag post from Vasu Ericsson. Do you want
to say something because I got your I got your
X tag? And he says, in twenty twenty three, I

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made a similar observations how workplaces have been getting feminized
in the name of Dei Wokeness recorded the events and
wrote a blog in the beginning of twenty twenty four
the feminization is indeed directly responsible for the collapse we
see today, Yes, and thank you for that. And there's
Helen Andrews who wrote how I came to see the

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Great Feminization as the most significant event of our century
and a potential threat to civilization? Yes, one hundred percent,
And like, yeah, this is like a thing. You know,
there's a lot of people talking about a lot of
things going on in the world like these, you know,
immigration and the economy and Israel and Palestine and Ukraine
and Russia and whatever, you know, Trump is doing and

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what Canada is doing. But if you guys don't look
at what's going on with men and women, none of
that other stuff matters. It's all it's all gone. Like,
I mean, this is really important. It's the most important thing.
Betty Adams over analyzes says TMDs. I don't know what
TMDs is, but the too many disclaimers syndrome. Yeah that's

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a good that's a good one. Yeah, too many disclaimers, right, yeah, well,
because again, we're so concerned about like not being offensive
or upsetting women, which is itself a feminine framing. It's
like part of the framing, right, because when men like
talk to each other, they can be like rough around
the edges. They can be brash, they can even come

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across as almost like hostile. But ultimately, and now I'm
talking about the average man, I'm not talking about you guys,
but I think that most men are like this. Ultimately,
when it's all out in the open, everybody like airs
their grievances, even if they use foul language, even if
they yell or they use strong you know, insults or whatever.
They once it's out there, I think that men generally

(15:32):
will like, Okay, let's have a drink and let's like
bury the hatchet or whatever, work it out. But that's
but that's because men are not concerned with in general,
men are not concerned with people's emotional safety. They're just like,
we're just going to talk about this, right. So, and
Helen attributes feminizations as the source of woke, Yes, and

(15:52):
that's that's true. Like, I think that's true because it
it's like what is woke, it's essentially taking the people
who are seen to be it's it is like, it's
not I'm not saying that it's not. Wokeness isn't like
cultural Marxism, you know, like in at the end of
the day, But why does cultural marxism even if that's

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what what what critical consciousness or wokeness is, why does
it gain footing if not for a feminine like way
of viewing the world, which which has its place right.
But but I think it's being completely mishandled so because
like obviously no one, like you know, most people don't

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actually want to, I don't know, go after marginalized groups, right,
It's not like something they're interested in. But wokeness is
operating under the assumption that the marginalized groups need help
and it has to be from woke people. And that's
a feminine virtue, I guess, or like a feminine way
of seeing things that it must come from a collective view.

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Oh let me thank you, vasu ericson if did you
want to say a thing? I could invite you guys
to speak if you I don't know if there's a
way for you guys to raise your hands or something.
I'm not really good at using spaces unfortunately, so I've
seen that's correct. Maybe I can maybe I don't know
if you guys like, oh no, no, no, I don't

(17:20):
want to end the call. Shit that was that was
almost a mistake. Where is the oh yeah, here we go.
Manage the speakers, right, so I can invite you guys
to speak, and you you'd let me know if you
want to. So there we go. All right, So let
me get back to someone gonna say something. No, okay,
let me get back to some of the highlights, because

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this is kind of a big essay. So let me
find see Helen Andrews. Here's some bullet points of some
of the claims that she makes in her essay. One,
there is the cancelation of a man named Larry Summers
at Harvard. So do you guys know about Harry Summers?

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This is something I learned when I because I didn't
know about this. So Larry Summers was an American economist,
and let me see get like the full context. He
was a Harvard professor president actually the president of Harvard University,

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and he got severe controversy in backlash following a speech
that he delivered on January four, two thousand and five
at a National Bureau of Economic Research conference on diversifying
the science and Engineering workforce. He was essentially the proto
James de Moore. So, you guys know, James de Moore
was the guy who worked at Google, and Google was

(18:46):
like trying to push more diversity in the workplace. They
wanted equal representation of women and men, and James the
Moore was trying to explain He wasn't pushing in any
particular direction, but he was trying to explain or make
the case for why pushing for this kind of forced
equality is going to like, you know, not, it's going

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to be a struggle, it's going to be a challenge.
And he explained all of laid it all out like this,
Women tend to be interested in these things, men tend
to be in these things and all that. And he
was very you know, let's say, diligent on putting his
data together. And he had his life. He got his
life ruined. Hold on a second, phone was listening to me.

(19:30):
That was weird. My phone was listening to me, and
it responded, I was not talking to Gemini or whatever,
all right, But anyway, so yeah, so before there was
James the Moore there was Lawrence Summers, and in two
thousand and five he was at the U During an
off the record talk, he proposed several hypotheses to explain

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the underrepresentation of women in tenure positions in science and engineering,
including the poss disability of intrinsic aptitude differences between men
and women, particularly regarding variance in mathematical and scientific ability.
He also discussed the impact of high powered career demands
conflicting with family aspirations and societal pressures. So his remarks,
particularly the suggestion of biological differences in aptitude, sparked immediate

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backlash from some attendees, including MIT biologist Nancy Hopkins, who
reported feeling physically ill upon hearing his comments. Despite the
off the record nature of the event, details were leaked
to the press, igniting a national and eventually international controversy.
The ensuing media storm led to a no confidence vote

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by the Harvard faculty and widespread criticism, with some accusing
Summers of sexism and lacking tact. Summers issued a public
apology to these people, stating he regretted the impact of
his comments and apologized for not weighing them more carefully,
emphasizing his commitment to advancing women in science. However, the
controversy continued to erode his standing at the university. On

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February twenty one, two thousand and six, Summers announced he
would step down as president at the end of the
academic year, effective June thirtieth, two thousand and six. While
he was not formally fired, his resignation is widely seen
as a result of the fallout from the speech and
the subsequent loss of faculties support. So he was basically
canceled before cancel culture was a thing and two thousand

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and five, so like, this is how difficult it is
to talk about this, and it has been for a
long time. So anyway, he was canceled, and the evidence
for this is Nancy Hopkins stated this. Nancy Hopkins as
the professor that basically made the claims that his remarks
made her physically ill, and repeated apologies fail to appease

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the mob of highlighting emotional over logical responses. Another claim
that she makes in her essay is that cancel culture
is inherently feminine, applying to institutions where women become Numerous
supporting evidence for this detailed in j Stones's book The
great feminization, where wokeness is an epiphenomenon of demographic feminization,

(22:09):
shifting norms towards ostracism over debate. So normally you would
be debating these issues, but if you get when you
get like a plurality, like a significant number of women
in a place, they don't engage in debate anymore because
that is confrontational and it's logical. But instead they just
engage in ostracization and cancelation because that's based in consensus.

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Like enough of them agree we're gonna get rid of
this person, we're gonna silence this person, we're gonna get
them fired, then they do that. This is inherently a
feminine thing. Another claim that she makes is law schools
become majority female in twenty sixteen, marking a tipping point
after initial female pioneers supporting evidence law firm associates majority

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female in twenty twenty three. Historically, only five percent of
judges were female in Sondra Dale O'Connor's eray, three percent
overall and sixty three percent of under Biden, showing accelerating
demographic shifts. Yes, a number of justices were appointed by
Biden that were female, over half and that is going

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to affect the way that they judge, because are they
being selected for their ability to be judges or is
this just to fill a quota? And if you do that,
what like, are are we going to get justice? That's
a very difficult thing to do. Another claim that's made
here is major institutions like The New York Times, medical schools,

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and higher education have tipped to female majorities, supporting evidence
for this. New York Times staff majority female since twenty eighteen.
In nineteen seventy four, the New York Times was ten
percent female, now it's fifty five percent female. Medical schools
have also changed a lot since twenty nineteen. Women majority

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of college education, workforce and the instructors, reflecting broad feminization
across professions. Another claim she makes is wokeness prioritizes feminine
traits like empathy over rationality and safety over risk. Also,
context is a big thing, and when i'm what context
really just means is it's kind of like a subjective

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way of viewing the world, like like lived experience, you know.
And this is another feminine value, right, And again it's
not to say that it has no value, but it
only works in the correct like situation, and what is
happening is that we're applying the female way of being

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everywhere and there and we're not listening to the male
perspective on it. So let me see what you guys
are saying before I continue here. Yeah, so Chud King says,
the Anglo sphere has been cuked. It is a victim
of its own success, wanting to leave nobody. But when
people falling behind is inevitable except for who, Well, again,

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that's the women. And I mean, like, I can come
back to this a little bit later, because it was
another thing that I almost thought about talking about as well,
which was this big talk between Tucker Carlson and Nick
Fuentes that everyone's talking about on X right now. And
the reason why I thought it would be good to
bring up is because the topic of women comes up.

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And that's the thing that's really interesting is that it's
kind of like it's a very core issue that too
many people are ignoring or at least not giving the
proper It's like they see it's like people on the
right see feminism as just like one wedge in like
a larger pie of wedges where you have, like you know,
you have the socialists, and you have the BLM activists,

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and you have the you know whatever right you have,
like the the Islamists, et cetera. But like, it's it's
way bigger than that, and it's not just feminism, right, So,
I mean, I think it's hard for people to like
tackle that because it is a very difficult subject anyway.
Moonburn says, because the female principle criticizes and tears down

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let me see. Norwegian Black Templar says, you mean the
FEDS were listening to you? Well, is an AI, but yeah, probably.
Peter Houston says, I think woke seems to be more
like republic idea, where smaller locations have disproportionate population representation
based on other identities than geographic just reinterpreted oikophobic. Missing

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Thrope says, I'm going back to sleep. I enjoy these
shows and this is great. Thanks for sticking to it, Brian, Well,
thanks for coming on. However brief it was, I'm sorry,
I'm not. Alison Gredendor says wokeness is just this cultural
Marxism that uses weaponized feminine virtue signaling to push through institutions. Yes,
and it mostly like operates through the women I mean

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that George Orwell wrote famously the quote about that you know,
and ultimately through the women, it gets to the children,
and so then you raised the whole generation of these people.
Robert Johnson says, well, kicking Summers of the curve has
been nothing but a benefit to Harvard. How else would
they have promoted a female POC who dislikes red Sea

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pedestrians and takes credit for other people's works. Yeah, that's
interesting too. I wonder how long she was president, Like,
did she get the job right after this guy got
stepped down? Digital big sister is always listening. Yeah, men
run society like a team project. Women run society like
a kindergarten. A misanthrope says absolutely no need for apologies. Okay, well,
I appreciate that you're here, and I hope that you

(27:34):
have a good Halloween, because I probably won't see you
guys after this show is over. I probably won't see
you guys until Halloween. So we got another half an hour.
So let me go through the rest of her claims,
at least some of the bullet points that I picked,
because the essay is long. I'm not going to read
the whole thing, but I'll tell you what it. I'm
basically giving a sum up of what she said. And
again this is resulting in her doing the rounds on

(27:56):
many different let's say, you know, right wing and libertarian
and podcasts to discuss these issues. And yet people are
struggling with this, but at least they're talking to her,
and I think that that is absolutely crucial. So all right,
claim feminized institutions fail at compartmentalization, blending personal politics with

(28:18):
professional duties. Yes, the evidence for this. Doctors now wear
political pins or lanyards and justified BLM protests during COVID
as public health needs, unlike traditional male doctors who kept
opinions separate from their patient care. I've seen this myself.
You guys remember the dancing nurses so like during COVID,

(28:39):
dancing with masks and stuff, and there was a COVID
itself became political when it should have just been a
health issue. And doctors like Robert Malone who had criticisms right,
he was essentially pushing back against the status quo, the consensus,
and what did he get for it. I actually think
the entire COVID fiasco was feminine in the way that

(29:02):
it played out. Maybe that's a little bit too edgy
to say, but I don't know if you guys agree
or disagree, because I think that because think about it,
it was like prioritize safety, a safety over freedom, which
was basically like you couldn't leave the house, or you
had depending on where you were, you know, the restrictions
were different. It basically just like demanded everyone take their medicine,

(29:27):
like like some kind of doting mother would, right it.
I mean, like think about it, right, people are getting
canceled left and right, and there was a lot of
virtue signaling from people who got vaccinated, from people who
were pushing the vaccine, and from people who were delivering
the vaccine, like they were all virtue signaling all over
social media all the time, I think. And that doesn't

(29:49):
mean there weren't men involved. I'm saying it's a feminine
way of being again, it's a feminine expression, and I
think that guys like doctor Fauci are lo ti so
he's probably like a woman too basically, you know. So
I think that that is again that's a good way
to look at it, that she's just putting out there
and that not being able to compartmentalize your personal beliefs

(30:12):
with your profession, like to where you keep those things separate.
Apparently that's a feminine thing too. Next claim the legal
professions feminization threatens the rule of law by favoring emotional
sympathy over procedural safeguards. Evidence for this title nine processes
lack confronting accusers driven by bias towards female complainants. Brett

(30:34):
Kavanaugh hearings prioritize feminine emotional credibility over demands for evidence. Now,
Kavanaugh ultimately won, but the fact that it got as
far as it did and people weren't laughed out of
the room. And also look at Egene Carroll. Look at
all of the activist judges that had been I mean
there's a lot of them are women, but not all
of them. Look at the female justice. Can't remember her name.

(30:55):
She wouldn't define what a woman was, right, she said,
I'm not a biologist, right. So yeah, that's a problem.
If you look at like old videos of like debates
and discussions, like political discussions or Congress hearings from like
the sixties and fifties and seventies, even it was so professional.

(31:18):
Now you got like women throwing their weaves around. Well
I'm exaggerating, but like you got like you know, Jasmine
Crockett and Marjorie Taylor Green like just like cat fighting
on the Senate floor. Like it's just like what this is?
This is these are all like you know, clear symptoms,
right Vasu Eeryton wants to talk. Okay, man, go ahead.

(31:38):
Can you unmute or do I have to unmute you?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah? I hope you can hear me now, Yeah, I
can hear you. So, Hi, raing Hi.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I think we've briefly communicated over May earlier. I go
by the name what'sn't I've in w Paul lamb Ghannis
and Alison as well. So I just wanted to say.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Hi, we know, yeah, Hi, how you doing good?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I'm good.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
I'm so glad to have finally gotten a chance to
interact with you, and I think this is a great topic.
Going with the flow about the topic, I thought I
could add a couple of points which Helen Andrews mentioned
in her blog, which I thought, you know, might help
the public to understand what the topics.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Have been so far. Is that okay, if I just
bringed it out.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
From her luga ahead, So one of the points that
struck me was the place where she mentioned the Warriors
and Warriors the Survival of the Success by psychology.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Professor Joyce Berenson.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
That theorizes that men developed group dynamics optimized for war,
while women develop group dynamics optimized for protecting their offspring
because the point of war is to settle disputes between
two tribes, but it works only if peace is restored
after the dispute is settled. Men therefore developed methods for

(33:05):
reconciling with opponents and learning to live in peace with people.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yes, yes, that and that's that might be why when
women engaging in this stuff, it doesn't seem to end,
because it's like a con like you know, correcting your children.
It's like a constant thing. Right, there's no peace afterwards.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
That was the point I wanted the people to discuss
over because we know that things have had the laws
have been diluted, Yeah, hiring has been diluted. But most
people don't understand where these behaviors have originated, which I
would love to see people discuss.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, that's interesting. No, that's a good point. You sent.
You tagged me in a couple of posts. Is this
one of them. Is it in here somewhere? I see
that you also talked to Janis a Mango about this. Yeah, yeah,
I love Janis. She's great. Okay, we mean to get
her back on, but we just need to find something

(34:02):
to talk about. But let's see. Yeah, So I think
that's true. I think that again, it's like it's like
it's based on basically the false premise that men and
women will you know where have evolved to treat these
kinds of conflicts the same, and we're just not going

(34:24):
to write. I think there's a proper, you know, a
proper way for different kinds of you know, a proper
response for different like what we need. Right, Sometimes there's
war and then sometimes there is like the raising of children,
and so it's about like what what is the good
fit for that?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
So that's yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, and and and what so, like going back to
COVID as an example, what do you think like, like,
how do you think that that applies to? Like how
you know, I don't know, like you're are you where
are you at?

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Are you in America?

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Are you in India?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah? I'm in India's late.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's it's really late there. It's like twelve or something.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It's two o'clock in the night. Actually, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, So when COVID was going on, what was it
like for you guys, Like, was it the same thing
as we had it with the that I described.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
So what I have personally observed is that there's a
huge difference in the hiring practices of the company. I
used to be an it professional earlier, but I've seen
I've noticed a lot of changes in the way that
the people interact within the environments of the offices and
all that. And I got religious to be really honest,
and it took a while for me to quit the

(35:37):
company and then start my as a filmmaker later, which.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm persualing currently.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
It was one of the hardest things that I had
to let go because I spent a lot of time,
giving me how many years, trying to make some.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
When I realized these.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Platforms have been completely divert to an extent that any
opinion that doesn't sit with the feminist gang can get
you fired. So that was my realization point that I
had to quickly I as soon as possible.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, and so like it. It is in line with
what we were talking about. So let me move on
to the next claim that she made. But thank you
ve asked for the for the topic. I think it's
a really interesting thing to add so's She also claimed
the uh, let's see feminized law. Yes, feminized law leads

(36:39):
to irreverence for formalities and instrumental treatment of the system.
So Dahlia Lithwick described female justices ignoring time limits in
twenty sixteen arguments, viewing the system as outdated for propertied
white men and adapting it flexibly rather than adhering strictly.

(37:01):
So there were time limits on arguments like closing arguments,
opening arguments, and there were there was a justice in
at least one that ignored that because it's a man thing, right.
And that's another thing too, is that there are these
there are these female warriors that enter a space that
is male dominated, and they are upright out of college
and their their goal is to like fight the man

(37:22):
while they're there. They have something to prove, they have
a chip on their shoulder or something like that, and
so they they end up creating a much more hostile
workplace because the men are trying to like play nice.
So this is this is another layer on top of
that and it's like the it's the worst kind of
coworker is someone who has a chip on their shoulder

(37:43):
and isn't there to work together because you aren't gonna
get a lot done with someone that's like that. And
it happens a lot, all right, So feminization another claim.
Feminization is, according to her, artificial, driven by discrimination laws
rather than organic merit. So essentially she's saying that the

(38:05):
feminization of these spaces, whether they're in a certain fields
or in our legal system or in our politics or
whatever space it is, is artificial because there are a
lot of like artificial you know, let's say tools in place,
systems in place that essentially give women positions or they're
more likely to get them that are kind of undeserved.

(38:28):
And so they they're in these spaces, but they're not
really normally going to be here because they would normally
not qualify, and the ones that would qualify probably wouldn't
create waves, you know, or at least they're less likely to.
So evidence for this is workplaces feminized to avoid lawsuits
with settlements like Texico and Goldman Sachs in nine figures.

(38:49):
So this is another thing too, is that people think
that and I think this is an interesting thing to
think about, and you guys, let me know what you think.
A lot of times there's an argument made that corporations
hired women or brought them into the workforce because they
were able to lower their payroll so they could pay
them less and it would like save them money, Okay,

(39:12):
and I don't I wasn't sure about that because obviously
the pay gap isn't even real. Although you know, women
are less likely to fight for the wage that they
really want, so they're more likely to take whatever the
company gives them. But I never really bought into that wholesale.
I always thought that the reason why the people who
really benefit from women in a workforce is the government,

(39:33):
because the government gets to tax twice as many people.
And the reason why companies will take them on, like
the corporations in this example Goldman Sacks and Texico, is
not because they're like, you know, it's well, Number one,
it's not because they're trying to give women a shot.
Number two, it's not because they're looking to pay them less.
The number the reason is number three, they're trying to

(39:55):
avoid lawsuits, so they are they they're if they don't
have enough win on the staff then they may face
civil suits and so they just like you know, take it.
They bend the knee and hire them. And I think,
and this is another thing I want you guys to
think about. I think this is the reason why you
have so many corporations that have these like daycare jobs

(40:16):
for women, because they're they're able to like give them
odd jobs so they can say, look, we have women
on the payroll and you know, maybe they're not doing anything.
They're going to meetings and they're you know, fiddling around
their computer, but they're not like like the big movers
in the company. But it keeps the company safe from lawsuits. Okay,
so I think that's something else too. Let me see

(40:36):
what you guys are saying really quick about that. Maybe
you disagree with me. I don't know. Laura, Lauren or
I four V says we probably won't get another president
who was found guilty of felonies and was found libel
for sexual abuse. Please make sure you cherish it. This
is very rare and very special. Yeah, now you do
you don't. You have to watch the Tempool video where
he talks to the guy about the felonies. What's the

(40:58):
underlying crime that's all I'll say. You don't there is
no there are no felonies. There are claims. Neogamist one
two three. Logic two says quite, there are weak men effeminate. Yeah,
people don't like the weak men create hard times thing,
but I think it's true. It's just that, you know, again,
there are men who are weak, and like doctor Fauci

(41:19):
is one of them. Ave heine Behind says that was
the thing from the famous Sean Connery interview, right, sometimes
she just won't let it go and you have to
slap her more or less. Well, he said something like
an open hand is better than a clenched fist. I think.
Kind of messed up, but funny and that's the point, right.
A Norwegian black templar says, salute to the Indian guy

(41:40):
listening at two o'clock in the morning. Yeah, right, two
o'clock at night. Crazy, Thanks, I appreciate it. Graydendor says
the effeminate men are the direct result of the feminist
agenda in particular and what women said they wanted from
men generally. I agree. I agree, but again it goes
back to what I've been saying for years. The most
masculine thing you can do is say no to women.

(42:01):
You just have to be able to say no. But
a lot of guys won't they want because they're simps.
Simps are the are the are the real enemy? Well
they're one of them. Let's see. Val Vlamb Junior says,
high five, Hello blam Junior, here we go, high five boom.
Green Indor says women saying they want men who are
more in touch with their feminine side was apparently just
a twenty year long shit test that these men simply

(42:23):
should have resisted. Give me a break. Yeah, uh, it's
a it's a big shit test.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Peter Houston says, Black Rock and affiliates say they would
only loan to DEI companies, So loaning to companies like loans. True,
but I mean again, they're they're those guys could be
like working behind the scenes for sure. So all right, anyway,
I feel a sneeze coming. Hold on, Sorry about that, okay.
Neo gamists one two three Logic two says men who

(42:50):
loudly push more women in power aren't challenging the system,
they're reinforcing it for approval. Yes, uh yeah, I mean again,
they're well, they're doing it because not because they really
believe it, but because they want other people to see
them saying it. So you know, it is a It
is a virtue signal at the end of the day,
and it doesn't really help anybody. So okay, so what

(43:12):
are what is her conclusion, her ultimate thesis so and
also what her solution is. And this is the challenging part.
And I got about ten minutes, a little bit less
than ten. So again I want to thank you guys
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(44:18):
on right now, as well as X I think anyway.
So hell and Andrews ultimate thesis is that wokeness and
cancel culture are not primarily driven by ideology, but not
that ideology is not involved at all, but she doesn't
think it's primary, but are the epi phenomena of demographic feminization,
the tipping of key institutions to female majorities, which naturally

(44:41):
imports feminine social norms, prioritizing empathy, emotional safety, group harmony,
and ostracism over rationality, risk, debate, and individualism. She posits
everything you think of as wokeness is simply an epiphenomenon
of demographic feminization, and all cancelations are feminine. Cancel culture

(45:03):
is simply what women do whenever there are enough of
them in a given organization or field. Wow, that's a
hot take, but based and I agree. I don't know
what you guys think about that, but I think this
makes sense, you know, when you think about it in
a evolutionary standpoint. If there is a woman that is
not going along with the herd as it were, the
other women's response is to ostracize them, because the worst

(45:26):
thing you can do to someone like a woman who
isn't you know, in these situations is essentially take away
their social circle, their social connections to other people. So
it does seem to make up. So what do we
do about this? What is her suggestion? And this is
where I really want you guys to think about this.
Her recommended course of action is to reverse the artificial

(45:47):
forces accelerating the shift, particularly antidiscrimination laws and HR bureaucracy.
So human resources has to go that reinforce feminization to
avoid lawsuits by restoring true meritocracy and allowing natural gender
balances to emerge without mad mandates. Specifically, quote, she says,

(46:08):
restore fair rules. Right now, we have a nominally meritocratic
system in which it is illegal for women to lose.
Let's make hiring meritocratic in substance and not just name,
and we will see how it shakes out. Make it
legal to have a masculine office culture. Again remove the
HR lady's veto power. This would permit masculine norms in

(46:30):
workplaces without legal penalties, potentially slowing or halting the exodus
of men from feminized fields, which is happening right Another thing, too,
is like so like this isn't something we can fix
right away. So what I would what I've been talking about.
I was talking to Lindsay about this today, and I
was saying that if you're a guy, and you are

(46:52):
you want to work, which I think we all should work,
and you're but you're worried about like getting into a
company that has an HR apartment, which is like most
of them, and that you're gonna have obstacles presented to you.
So what I think that would be helpful is I
think men need to, like they need to cooperate with

(47:14):
other men. So find other men that you think you
can trust or try to build trust with, and start
your own business and don't have an HR department. Like
I think that men need to come together and start
their own businesses, start their own thing, build it, and
it's hard, it's scary, but I think that it's necessary,
and then you can avoid all of this. And I

(47:36):
think that you would be surprised at what you can do.
I know a guy who lives here in Roanoke. He
started his own basically, just like a junk collection business.
He just had a pickup truck and a dream and
he's doing it. And you know, he's got like a
few employees. And I think that you know it's it's

(47:56):
it's let's say, humble, but not without dignity. And this
is work women won't do. Oh, he doesn't have to
worry about women muscling in on his junk collection business.
So just something to think about. Anybody else here, have
any final thoughts. Look at what you guys are saying
really quick, and then we'll go from there. So the

(48:16):
weak man strong man meme neglects entirely the contributions of
women to making everything shit and places all the responsibility
for society of men. I get that too. Yes, I
do think that men are part of that problem. Though
Gradendor says, have you tested for COVID? Nope? Never did,
because I sneezed. I don't think that's going to be enough.
Albatross says, sounds pretty accurate. I've told my sister that

(48:37):
wokeness intersectionality is a language from women by women. Yes
it is. Linda Halfpenny thirty two fifty eight says, insecure
men blaming women for their inadequacies as per usual. Look
reading a report from a Pigmy Wow, that is a
very strong and powerful argument from a powerful woman. Okay,

(48:58):
Linda half Penny, thank you for that. I've never heard
those things before ever. Norwegian says it's a good start,
but we also need to enforce equality under the law. Yeah,
for sure. But like you see, that's the thing though,
if we change the legal system to fit that, you know,
I think, yeah, I think that it's it's it's a start,
for sure. Nothing matters if laws are upheld based on
who or what you are. For sure, everybody who isn't

(49:21):
paying more in tax than what they're getting in subsidies
shouldn't be eligible to vote. I don't know how you
would accurately police that rule, but I think it is
a sound rule. Everyone who isn't paying more in tax, well,
I think only people who pay taxes should vote. So
if you're collecting more than you're paying, yeah, I think
it depends. Like like owning property is a good start,

(49:44):
Like if you own a house you know, or or
a business. I think that's those are some good examples,
not like oh I own a car, but like you know,
like a house so or land of some kind. Avaheen says,
great show today, Thank you, no, thank you, thank you
for joining me on the show. Appreciate it. Robert Johnson Zeppo,
as long as you have fewer than fifteen employees, you

(50:05):
can avoid most of the complications that make HR a necessity. Yeah,
here's hoping right, let's see. So I think now is
a time for me to go into the patron show.
You guys have a last chance to say something before
I leave, So raise your hand if you want to
say something, go.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Ahead, Brian, I have one last thing to say before
you leave. Is that okay?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I think we should.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Talk about the great feminization of cinema all over and
I think I know that you are well worsed with
world cinema, and I think I can offer some insights from.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Indian side as well, like Bollywood, just Bollywood.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Bollywood is just one one tenth of Indian cinema. There's
much more.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That's okay, Yeah, we can talk about that. That could
be interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Send me I got you a mail.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, I've already done made you just check it out
and let me know. Second date for the conversation with
you and my my time Fitz.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Absolutely we'll do Yeah, thank you, shout out call and
you say something or you just like want to listen.
All right, Well I'm gonna wrap it up there. Thanks
guys for coming on the show. I want to get
your thoughts on this concept, the Great Feminization by Helen Andrews.
Like I said, it's been doing the rounds. She's probably

(51:32):
gonna get a lot of pushback, so you know, give
her some show or some love online and support. I
think that she's pretty awesome. I bet you that Karen
would like her quite a bit. She's definitely got like
Alison brain. So yeah, definitely check her out. Anyway, So
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Speaker 4 (52:37):
Men's Ride. Activists are machines. Dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
deal with, especially if you have, like especially if you
have like a couple dudes who have good memory. On
top of that too, Holy shit, you're fucked