What bonobos teach us about choosing better men | Rantzerker 246

Join Alison and Karen as they react to the latest claims made by bag-grabber cluster Behemoth Manifestelle as she explains how we shouldn't live like lobsters, we should ,live like the bonobos!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Women have always held and and must consciously reclaim. So
they've always held, and must consciously reclaim the power to
shape a less violent human future through deliberate mate choice,
coalition building, and nurturing, just as Bonobo females do through
biology and collective action. Expanded women has always held the
power to change the future. We have the power to

(00:22):
cultivate tenderness, cooperation, creativity, and resilience by choosing differently, by
choosing fathers differently, by choosing to nurture boys and a
men differently, we can claim our power of choice fully
and without apology. We do more than create children. We
create a whole new world coming.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
To live from deep within. Well it's actually quite bomby
right now, but it does have a lot of leaves
flowing everywhere, radioactive wasteland. I we are the survivors. Well,
I am also the survivors of the alt right tech popolyxopolypse.
Once it's more waiting a few, the brave, the bitchy,

(01:01):
once more waiting into battle against the Bonnabo hordes. With yep, yep,
what Bonnabo's teach us about choosing better men? Those Bonnabos,
such such angels in chimpsuits rant Zerker number two four six,
which I thought would be particularly entertaining for Karen because

(01:22):
she definitely has thoughts about the Bonnabo. So, Brian, did
you want to give us a give us an overview.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, So what we're going to be doing is is
this a request? Is this one of them?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
This is this is.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Little like yeah, yeah, his fetish Brought to you by
by Richard Jimmy Mommy Female Dating Strategy people. This is
Manifestel making a video called what Bonnabos teach Us about
Choosing Better Men, where she is essentially making the claim
that women control access to reproductive to reproduction, which means

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the next generation, and that they should use that not
responsibly per se, but like to toft the future. Basically. So, yeah,
that's that's I mean, I watched the whole thing, that's
the summary of the vie. So I mean, but we
but we should hear her arguments. And she's using the Bobos,

(02:19):
because that's how you say it. It's Bonovo using the
Bonobo and their society, their female led society, as the
model that humans should take inspiration from.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Okay, but before we get into the Bonos, let's do
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(02:53):
first time code.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
The first hypothesis as to why female banova have higher
status than male banobos is the self organization hypothesis, and
this basically proposes that winning and losing conflicts can create
a self reinforcing cycle. In other words, individuals who have
just lost a conflicts are more likely to lose again,
while those who have one are more likely to continue winning.

(03:18):
It's similar to the risk get richer the poor get
for analogy, when you win, you're more likely to win again,
and when you lose, you're more likely to lose again.
And the second hypothesis can we can.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
We address the first hypothesis?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
No, that that that actually is sound. That's sound, but there.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Are implications that she's not talking about because I actually
recently looked into bonobos Banobos okay, and I read a
paper on the rate of violence in Bonobo society. Now,
she's right that Bonobo females win contests with males and

(03:56):
are actually a lot more aggressive towards males, and Banobo
males are less aggressive towards female Bonobos. But there is
a tremendous amount of male male aggression in Bonobo's society,
in fact, more than chimp society, and the overall rate
of aggression in Bonobo society is substantially greater. And if

(04:17):
you remove what might be outliers like chimps killing other
chimps usually for probably gross infractions of the hierarchy and
social norms.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Or just in warfare, in.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Warfare, intertribal warfare. And why is there intertribal warfare with
gymps because they have in more resource, there's more resource
competition in the regions that they're the existent.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Why that's not why? But no, it's not, it's not.
It's because there's there's more intrasexual cooperation between chimpanzee males
than there is between Bonobo males. Right, So basically like
the warfare, the intertribal warfare doesn't occur, doesn't generally occur
in lean seasons where everybody's like hungry and resources are scarce, right,

(05:09):
because everybody's just focused on getting as much extracting as
much food out of the territory that they have, and
they're too weak to go to war. Right. It's when
they're fat and bored that they go to war. Right. Yeah,
So it's a little bit more complicated than saying it's

(05:30):
like a resource competition. If it is a resource competition,
it's it's kind of that that evolutionary psychology kind of explanation,
Like male lions don't understand that sex makes babies, and
they don't understand that they want to make their own babies, right,

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but they still kill all of the babies of the
previous male when they take over a pride because it
and they don't know that it's going to throw all
the females into estrus and they're all going to be
willing to mate with him, right, they don't they don't
understand that they're not they're not making a calculation, right.
It's just that the males that male lions that do that,

(06:15):
they pass on more copies of their genes, and the
female lions that kill their small litters want two cubs
and then just go into heat right away again and
try again and have a large, larger litters typically right,
they end up having producing more offspring over time over
their lifetime.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
And presumably the female lions that kill other lionesses cubs
also get more of the lion's share of resources.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah. No, so, I mean it's it's like, well, I
mean there's no lion's share of resources that the lionesses
do all the hunting, but they get they get the
lion's share the lion the lioness's share of the I
actually need that genes passed on.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
The reason why the male lions are the size they
are is because there is different types of prey to
exploit during different seasons, so they keep their size in
order to be able to muscle down larger parier.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's because that's because a lot of lions are on
their own.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, okay, or there, or they're in.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like bachelor pods of like maybe one or two or three.
I thought it was also specialization, but I mean, yeah,
well it would be for praise specialization if you're on
your own, or if you're just in a pod of
one or two or three male lions right, just like
a little group, you know, a loose coalition, right, of

(07:36):
males that come together because they don't have any females.
They're no females present, right, and you're going to cooperate
with each other in order to survive, right, You need
to keep that bulk up, because you know, like that's
a little bit different from maybe eight or nine lionesses
who are all cooperating in one hunt. You only have
one or two or three males who are you have

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to for themselves.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
What I heard and you can look into it after
this is basically that that male lines specialize in much
larger prey and there's certain seasons where that's the only
prey that's available. But look it up in fact check it.
We should probably get back to the actual So the bonobos,
So the actual rate of violence in banobo's society is
actually pretty high.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's higher than among chimpanzees.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's higher than among chimpanzees.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
It just in terms of in group yeah, in.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Group violence, it just has a different pattern. There is
tremendous amounts of violence between me between male banobos, bonabos bonabos, right,
nobos banobos. I'm mixing myself up there is a tremendous
amount of intersectional violence between male bonobos. In fact, there's
more than between male chimps. And also, and this is

(08:50):
going to come right to the heart of her thesis
either but bonobos receive a better a better reproductive benefit
from b or it's not fundamentally different than chimps.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
The issue, the issue is right because she's like, Okay,
so how is this better? Well, how is it better chimpanzees?
Common chimpanzees are like bonobos and chimps split off from
each other when the Congo River formed, and the bonobos
are basically on the south edge, the southern side of

(09:24):
the river, and the common chimpanzees are on the northern side, right,
and they can't swim, and banobos should be really thankful
for that, because if chimpanzees ever learned to swim, that's
the end of the banobos. But chimpanzees are much more numerous,
something like twenty times more numerous than banobos, but they
don't actually live under extreme levels of human protection from

(09:50):
from poachers, from predators, from whatever. Right, Bonobos are basically
living in a life preserve that's highly protected, right, Like
their existence is being subsidized by human beings, right, because
they just cannot keep their population levels up because they

(10:15):
they just and there's no competition where they are, there's
no competition for the same things that they want, right.
So it's like, so you have all these chimpanzees that
are fighting amongst each other group on group, right, and
they're expanding, and then you have these bonobos that are
constantly shrinking despite being like heavily protected by human being.

(10:40):
So I'm sorry, but your reproductive model sucks, bitch. That
might explain why you're a feminist.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Okay, let's listen to the second hypothesis.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
The reproductive control hypothesis, and this hypothesis focuses on the
evolutionary and social mechanisms that favor non aggres of male
mating strategies. It proposes that when males have limited ability
to monopolize access to fertile females, aggression becomes a less
effective reproductive tactic. I mean, surprise, surprise.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
What aggression against whom? Aggression against whom like aggression against females? No, No,
but noobos are way more aggressive against other males than
male chimpanzees are, right, because male chimpanzees form bonds, and
they maintain their bonds, they actually spend way more time

(11:35):
together doing social grooming and other social activities then they
spend with females, right, because they're maintaining their their bromances.
They're like maintaining their relationships right with other males, because
you know, when you go to war against those other guys,
those assholes down the valley, right, you need to be

(11:57):
able to count on each other, right, So you need
to know, like, okay, so how many dead skin flakes
did this guy pick off of me and eat? And
how many fleas did he pick off of me and eat? Right? Yeah?
And and how how big an asshole was he to me?
When all when when the harem went into estras, right,
and I started sniffing around a little bit, right, okay,

(12:21):
And you know, so it's it's like cooperation among chimpanzee
males is actually extremely high, extremely high, because they're all
brothers and uncles and fathers and sons and nephews and
and cousins, right, Okay, they're all related to each other,
and you know, and the females go off and this

(12:41):
is this is the lifestyle that they they cultivated that
was necessitated because they were high a highly populous populated
species north of the Congo and south of the Congo,
the benobos were just completely cut off from any and
all interspecies in trust species competition, right, So so they

(13:05):
they basically just let the women take They got the
males got lazy and let the women take over, and
now they're dying out.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Not quit the message that she intended. There's so when
I looked at this study on rates of aggression in
chimpanzee society, male men, male chimps are less aggressive towards males.
They are more aggressive towards females, sure than than chimps
or bonobos.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Bonobos are bonobo males are towards female chimps. To say
about that.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, but but here's the thing. It is, overall there's
less aggression. And here's where it gets really interesting. There is,
I believe what I remember a tremendous amount of female
female aggression in bonobo society.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, buying levels of female female aggression
and Bonobo society.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
So chimp society overall is relatively peaceful. And then there's
also the problem is that they're asserting that in chimp
society versus bonobo society. Chimps have a greater reproductive incentive
for being violent, which is one hundred percent false.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, it depends they don't have a greater greater they
don't have a greater incentive for in group Yeah, well
that's they have a much lower incentive for.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
It has much incentive for in group violence. Male bonobos
are tremendously violent. They're more thanopolizing with each other, and
they're violence I believe actually correlates to reproductive success.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Oh yeah, absolutely a great than chimps. It's it's actually
kind of hilarious because when you look at if you
look at like a troop of chimps and say there's
five male five dominant males, and maybe like twelve or
fifteen subordinate males, right, and then there's or you know,
and then there's the adolescents and the juveniles and some

(15:12):
of which half of which are going to be male. Right,
But among the adult males, you might have five dominant
and fifteen twenty subordinate ones, right, and you know, the
about eighty percent of the offspring are sired by those

(15:33):
five dominant males, and it split about twenty percent each
among that eighty percent. So fifteen percent each, right, and
then there's that other twenty percent where you have like
the kind of the sneaky guys, well not the nice guys, okay,

(15:53):
like the guys who like they take a shine to
one particular female and this is what they think happened
with humans, by the way, they took a shine to
a particular female. Right. This guy, he's like, I'm kind
of sweet on her, and he helps her with her kids,
and he shares his food with her, and you know,
and he like, you know, baby sits, and he does

(16:17):
things for her, and he gives her extra social grooming
and pays attention to her and all of this, right,
and then when she gets a chance, she sneaks off
into the bushes when she's actually fertile and has sex
with that good father. Yeah, and then she So about

(16:39):
twenty percent of the offspring and chimpanzee society are sired
by those males within the context of those kinds of relationships, right,
so I've but with Benovo's it's basically sixty percent of
all the offspring are sired by one male. And the

(17:01):
reason that he gets all the bitches and sex every day, okay,
is not because he's super awesome. It's not because he
gives any value. It's not because he even is a leader, right,
it's because his mother is the top female, and she
and he's her favorite son.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
And she is a tremendously usually tremendously violent violent Yes,
so the the status hierarchy is actually on females. And
because the status hierarchy on females, they are incredibly violent
to each other.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Oh yeah, no, and and that mother, that mother will
will go and violently rip apart mating a mating pair.
If it's not her son, they're not gonna mate.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, so let's let's let's let's review Bonnibo society. Banobo
society has tremendous amounts of female female aggression, no femle
male cooperation, no.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Male male cooperation, no male male cooperation.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
So there's tremendous amounts of male male aggression as well.
It's overall a far more aggressive society.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
And although you know there's one Brad Pitt who gets
all the.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Honey, Yeah, there's one Brad Pitt who gets all the babes.
Actually wouldn't even be Brad Pitt because Brad Pitt became
Brad Pitt for his own you know.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
From his own own efforts, right, King Charles, Yeah, one
King Charles.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
One King Charles. Ladies one King Charles. So doesn't he
wouldn't even be a man who was chosen by the
female bonobos. No, it would be because Ma Baker cracked
your skulls in and said, my blog gets to rape you.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, that's it. No, And and and here's the thing too, right,
like they say, oh, you know, and they're the love monkey.
They're the love monkey. Okay, okay, So, so like chimpanzees,
bonobo's the males stay, some of the females stay with
the group, right, they're called the resident females. Pretty much.
All of the males stay with the group, right, because

(19:06):
they're all related, and so they don't like try to
kill each other all the time, and because they they're
you're my brother, man. And but so you have these
adolescent and young adult females, right, they're not sexually mature yet, right,
coming from other groups to join this new group. Well,

(19:31):
what do they have? They have twenty four to seven
fifty two weeks a year partial sexual swellings. These are
the equivalent of thirteen year old girls or twelve year
old girls. Eh, Okay, they have permanent sexual swellings all
the time, right, not just when they're because they're not fertile, right,

(19:54):
So not when they're fertile, all the time. And they
use that to tribe the males in the troop into
tolerating them, maybe protecting them against the aggressive resident females,
particularly the dominant one, right and uh, and to help

(20:15):
them navigate entry and acceptance into the tribe. And you
will literally see, you know, like this, this adolescent female
running up and grabbing some sugar cane or or some
fruit from uh society, Yeah, run up and grab a

(20:37):
piece of fruit or sugar cane from a male's an
adult males patch, right, and normally like everybody fends for themselves.
It's like it's everybody for themselves. Yeah, And so she'll
run in and she'll grab it and she'll just turn
her ass up so that he'll have sex with her

(21:03):
and not beat her for taking that food.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
So you literally have child prostitution society and society.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
And this is not is not It doesn't happen in
chimp society not well.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, because the adolescent females don't have permanent sexual swellings.
Because they don't need to pore themselves out.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, this is sounding like a really lovely society.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
It's great. It's great, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Male female competition. And the most violent female, the one
who can crack the most skulls, tear the most weaves,
scratch and kill, kill the most of her rival babies,
and kill the most she's the one her her what
is what is.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
That her favorite son, her son is gonna sign he's
gonna sire all the freaking.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
He could be Norman Bates doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
No, So it's it's it's just like it's it's a
recipe for psychopathy.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, it's like psychopathy. And then also, if you are
an unattached young female, you have to trade your sexuality
for social acceptance least.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Protection for protection and from from males, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
And and protection from the feet the resident aggressive females,
the resident ma baker who's gonna make you reproduce with
her gonk of the son, yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Wow, yeah no, And and you know all of these
things with like they're like and they they resolve conflicts
through sexual activity, and it's like it's like, yeah, no,
most of that in terms of males, males resolving conflict
through like male male sexual interaction among thevenobos. Most of

(22:53):
that looks like prison rape, right. There's a lot of
like grunting on the part of the one who's doing
the fucking right, and there's a lot of screaming, right
and and cringing on the part of the one who's
not dominant.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Like how the fuck did anybody get the idea that
we should model human society off of these fucking monkeys that,
as far as I'm concerned, let them die out.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Goddamn Yeah. And I've actually heard that zoo keepers find
bonobos to be more horrifying to deal with than chimps
because they do things like they don't just they don't
just kill you out right. What chimps will be like, yeah,
you're just we gotta get rid of you. You're you're
an absolute disruption to the pat to the and maybe
also chimp males you know, have a strong pimp pant. Okay, yeah,

(23:47):
but bonobo female bonobos will do things like chew off
other like not I don't want to say disbehaved, misbehaving
bonobos probably just binobo's they don't like, they'll chew off
their fingers because they're genuses or they're penises, but their
fingers in particular means that they won't be able to
gather resources, they won't be able to escape from predators.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
So they have a buildiness.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
They don't just kill. They make sure that your death
is long and lingering and torturous and violent. Yeah, I
mean they understand torture. Bonobos, they understand torture.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Meanwhile, meanwhile, you have you have a troop of chimpanzees.
They had like a female chimp, right who was who
was born with the equivalent of Down syndrome. Right, So
this is is a troop out in the wild, and
and everybody in the troop understood, right that she could
cross social boundaries, right, They would let her get away

(24:46):
with crossing all kinds of social boundaries because they knew
she was different. They knew she was like handicapped, they
knew she was just like you know, and and it
was it was a season, right, you know, Like resources
were plentiful, and everybody just basically humored her and were
like willing to just kind of leave her to like

(25:10):
behave like an idiot, right, you know. And it's like
everyone from the top males to all of the people
on the bottom of the hierarchy, right, they were just like,
you know, they were very indulgent with her, right, and
you know it's like yeah, yeah, but nol thos no.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
No, no, yeah, and they also bite off penises of
males and yeah, this sounds like a really lovely society manifestel.
But here's the thing. Okay, I'm not a super fan
of gymps either. I mean, I don't want to say,
maybe I'm bringing too much emotion into it. I don't
think that they are necessarily a good no model off either,

(25:55):
because there are there are things about their society that's
a little psychopathic, but not.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
And they're in eighty twenty society, right, So yeah, this
is not like bonabos.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Bonabos are just they're they're just even they're they're just
beyond beyond beyond.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
And and again, the only thing that Bonnabos have going
for them is that bobo's bonobos. Bonobos have going for
them is that there is less male and female aggression.
But the problem, apparently is that once women's are females
start to establish this kind of a dominant system, everything

(26:35):
goes to absolute hell. You start having child prostitution, you
start having torture, you start having unbelievable levels of violence
between male chimps, you start having the the the the
male chimp that gets all the girls is the gnk
whose Mo Baker's most favorite son, who's also incredibly violent. Right,

(26:59):
It's it's like it's just it just turns into a slew,
it goes backwards. Shall we say?

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh? Yeah, No, it's it's it's a it's a high
and it's not reproductively viable because, as I've said, you know,
like they need human protection just to is the just
to not just not to not die out quicker than
they already were without any external competition.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah right, it is the end game of unchecked female
female aggression. Yeah, and competition and status seeking? Yeah yeah? Okay?
Did do we want to go for another one another time?
Code Brian?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, I jumped ahead a little bit. Let's see, all right,
here we go?

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Is the synchronization of female reproduction. If multiple females are
fertile at the same time, it can become impossible for
a single male to control or monopolize all of his opportunities.
So this one is more of a lostical issues.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
She thinks she's going to be mob Baker. She thinks
she's going to be mob baker. She thinks she's going
to be on the top of the hierarchy. The appeal
for this for her, in my opinion, just judging from
how she's her affectation, is that it is absolute control
over the sexual resources of other women.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
All right, let's yeah, fascinated by the idea that women's
cycles seem to sink when they spend a lot of
time together. And I wonder if that phenomenon, if true
and repeatable, is at all tied to this strategy of
preventing mail monopolization.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Right, What the frick are you talking about? You so
you want to be mated by a train of men.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
No, it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter a train of men.
That's fine, right, every man, every man's sperm gets his shot.
But the idea of synchronized estris, right, that doesn't really
come into play in climates where there's no there's no winter, right,

(29:05):
Like it comes into play in climates where there's winter,
or in climates or in species, in species where every
every female goes into estris at the same time. Okay,
because you have a season where your offspring will survive,

(29:25):
right and grow to adulthood within a certain amount of time, right, Like,
what how often do mice go into estris right as
soon as they've raised their pups? Well, how long does
that take? Weeks? Right, and then they just go into
estris again, and if all their puffs die, they go
into estres again right away.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay, right, nice on your mind.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, a little bit. I think I called another one.
I heard him squeak in. I heard a little snap
and then I heard him squeak in. It's a humane trap, people,
it's a humane trap. He was just starting by the
door closing.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Okay, but that doesn't really solve the Karen asked to
borrow one of my cats before the show started, so
we found out that she has a mouse infestation. But
continue about the seasonal Actually yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
No, no, So I mean like some animals are seasonal, right,
and so it's like, okay, so female like female lions.
When a new male takes over the pride, he kills
all of the nursing and juvenile nursing cubs and juvenile cubs, right,
he kills them all off because he wants, right the

(30:32):
females to not be reproductively burdened right by nursing, so
that they'll just go into Estris right away. Right, they
don't have a season, right, they can go into Estris
anytime they're not actually nursing cubs, anytime they're not actively
looking after cubs. So within a few days of the

(30:57):
male lion killing off all these cubs, the females all
go into Estris again, and they all start flirting with him,
and then he mates with them, and then he gets
to have his shot, right, And he does that because
if he waits until these cubs are two years old
before he gets his shot, well he might have been
usurped by then by yet a different male, right. So

(31:22):
you know, like it's and it's not he's not making
that calculation consciously because he probably doesn't even know that
sex makes babies, right, or that his babies are more
valuable than anybody else's babies, right, or that what he
wants is to pass on his genes. It's just that

(31:42):
was the strategy, that was the thing that worked in
the past, and that tendency just got passed down over
and over and over and over again through you know,
thousands of iterations, and so the male lions that do that,
they're the ones that pass on the most copies of
their genes. Right, So you know, when you look at

(32:03):
but Nobo society, right, it's actually probably a really good
thing if females all go into estres at once. What's
even more good in terms of reproductive viability is not
knowing when you're an estress and not necessarily giving any

(32:23):
kind of detectable signals that you're an estress.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
But I don't think she's talking about one man monopolizing
all the women. She's talking about someone but monogamy. She's
talking about.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Oh yeah, no, if they all go into estras at
the same time, one male won't be able to impregnate
them all doesn't matter, doesn't matter. They'll stay in estris
until they're impregnated, and all he has to do is
mate guard. Yeah, well yeah, or his mother have his
mother mate guard.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah. Well, she doesn't know what the home which is what?

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Which is what Bonobo mothers do. They made guard. They're like,
you're not You're not gonna fuck someone who's not my
favorite son. You're not gonna I'll go She'll go beat
the ship out of that bitch.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
You're not You're gonna have sex with cletus. That's it
to the banjos like that. Okay, but but she's thinking.
She's not thinking about one male monopolizing all of the females,
which is one hundred percent well mostly what happens in
bonobo or bonobo society. Society. She's thinking about a monogamous

(33:31):
relationship where a single male monopolizes the sexuality of a
single female. That's what she hates.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Okay, play a little bit more so I can see
if that's what she's getting it.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Those of these two factors, concealed ovulation and synchronization of
female reproduction, they both give women more leverage over reproduction,
over having children, and they both help women in de
incentivizing male aggression. Moving on the third.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Hud, that's true, that's true. That's true. Cryptic ovulation disincentiviizes
the male aggression. That's why human males are so much
more cooperative with each other than any other males in society. Right,
and also animal kingdom also wolves, also boobs. Yeah, but

(34:20):
here's the things really helped because because you know, like ironically,
boobs evolved like permanent breasts, right, they evolved in order
to basically signal to males that I'm not fertile. I'm
not fertile, right, I'm nursing young right now, and I'm

(34:41):
not fertile. I can't be impregnated, right, And yet that
became a sex it became it became a sexual thing
over you know, Millennia, because you know, it's it's a
sign that, okay, you have you have the tits to
be able to feed a child.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Mm hmm. Yeah, okay, that's interesting. So it sort of
became in its own kind of signal. But yeah, you're right,
it doesn't signal fertility because it's not like they disappear
when we're not ovulating. But you have to consider what
she's saying was in contact. She's saying that every female
going into Estrius at the same time I guess with
concealed ovulation means that what women's sexuality can't be monopolized apparently.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
But but in the context of Banovo's like the theatas,
that dominant yeah, the dominant female's Kleta's son has the
monopoly six yeah all.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
And it actually all the astrask happening at the same
time enables that in a way.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, oh yeah, because that's that's when the mother knows.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yes, it's like a signal. So she's like, okay, well here,
here's the time where me and the I don't want
to I don't want to call out me and the
Banjo sisters go out and make sure that only klidis
gets to mate or what.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
The hell I mean? But cryptic ovulation would actually put
a stop to that.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, but the thing is that cryptic ovulation reduces it's
all associated with monogamy. Yes, it's it's so, And I'm okay,
I'm also coming at this from previous things that I've
heard her say. So fair enough, I've no more of
her corpus or whatever you want to call it, her thesis, thesis,

(36:38):
her hypothesis about reality. And I'm pretty sure it's men
monopolizing women's sexuality through marriage.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
If that makes show for sake, No, no, give me
a fucking break, bitch. Okay, if you don't want to
get married, don't get married, don't have kids, don't saddle
your freaking your sperm donor with a two hundred thousand
dollars baby mortgage. Yeah, well on your own, like the
Bonobos exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Okay, they don't take that message. Let's let's let's watch
a little bit more. Is this the second time code?

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, let me just double check it's for does another
minute and sell. So there's more to the argument here, okay.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
And then there's a time called after this.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, there's another one after this.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Okay. Just before you continue, feed the badger dot com slash.
Just a tip to make commentary. Send those send those
comments in guys, you're what you have to say, all right, right.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Third hypothesis as to why female bonobos have higher status
than the much bigger male bonobos is the female coalition
formation hypothesis of the paper.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, the feminist hypothesis. Yeah, no, the feminists took over
bonobos and they're dying. They're dying out as a species.
All right, great work, ladies.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, feminists took over the unleashed mass amounts of female
female competition. Mo Baker's Kletus is the only man who
who has sex or and also all of the young
females have to have sex with the males just to
be able to survive. Yeah that's that. Okay, Yeah, yeah,

(38:20):
it's lovely, super great, Thank you feminists. All right, the.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Results support only this hypothesis. Basically, the researchers observed and
counted all the times an individual male received aggression from
the females, and they counted the occurrence of males exhibiting
subordinate status to the females by counting the number of
times the males fled. So basically, if you run away,
you lose. Now, if you're wondering, where is the part

(38:47):
where the female banobos refuse to mate with aggressive male banobos?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Doesn't?

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Oh no, they're gonna mate with the most aggressive ones.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yep. Except in this case, his aggression will probably be
parallel his mother's aggression. Yeah, yeah, okay, let's see what
what this nonsense? What they they asserted, it's.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Our matriarchal and generally experienced less male aggression compared to
other mammals aka the chimpanzees aka humans. It wasn't in
this paper, although it could be in other papers, So
if you can find it, please share in the comments.
And I'd love to do a follow up.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I think that's the end of the clip. No, there's
another minute.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Oh good, Lord, can and some change?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, it's like a minute more.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Try to keep my mouth shut.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
But she's full of crash.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Now, Although the idea of female banobo's wiping aggression out
of the gene pool would fit nicely within the reproductive
control hypothesis, which would support the idea that female bnobos
are choosing less aggressive males to mate with.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
No, yeah, no, no, they're not. They're not. They're not
choosing less aggressive. Just keep going, Brian, the most aggressive female.
The most aggressive female is the most dominant, and her
favorite son is gonna be her most aggressive son. The's
gonna sire sixty percent of the fucking offspring in the group.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
All right, let's let her finish.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
We're got a super child that just came through. I'll
read it for you. Great indoors gave us five dollars
and says to what extent can the bonobo's social interaction
within the group be seen as analogous to what is
commonly referred to as a low trust society.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
It's no trust society.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's true.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
The males, the males have almost the males have almost
almost nothing to do with each other. They don't cooperatively hunt, right,
Chimpanzees will do that. They'll they'll hunt sometimes when there's
not a whole lot of fruit around, right, So they'll
go hunting in groups. Right, they'll bring home the meat,

(40:49):
they'll share it with the females, right, and share it
with each other. So I mean, like you have you
have male cooperation going on in chimpanzee society. You don't
have any male cooperation going on in Benobo society. They're
socially isolated from each other. All they have is conflict
and then prison rape to resolve the conflict. And and

(41:12):
and there you go. That's that's that's life among the.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It is not actually, it's not asta. It's not sustainable
because if they encounter any group with any kind of
male male coalition, and they're gone because they just can't.
They can't muster anything. And the other thing is probably
the males don't actually attack the females because there's no
benefit in it. No, there's And the the third thing

(41:37):
is it probably here's my hypothesis, the male aggression towards
the females is reducing or preventing this exploding like the
female female aggression into exploding. Yeah, it's actually keeping the
female female aggression in line, in line. It's like it's

(42:01):
like today, male police spend about as much time policing
lesbian violence as men in general. Spend engaging in any
kind of criminal activity against women. Do you know that
actually had groc estimated men spend as much, if not
more time policing lesbian violence than they do in engaging

(42:25):
in violence against women. And if in this context that
policing would be considered aggression against women?

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Like, who knows?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (42:36):
The male champs are like, yes, knock it off, sisters, Yeah,
trying to chew each other.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
It's like, it's like that story that my friend Sam
from work told me because his dad had three wives.
He's Lebanese and from Lebanon, and his dad had three wives,
and he would come home and they, you know, they'd
be like all scratched and bruised up because they were

(43:02):
fighting amongst each other, and and he just he would
give them the lecture, right, the lecture, I have to
I have to leave the house so I can earn
a living and support you. Right, you can't be doing
this every time? I leave right under. And then then

(43:23):
one day he came home and then one of them
was covered in blood in the kitchen, the other one
was screaming and smashing things in the living and the
third one was locked in the bathroom sobbing, okay, and
he beat all of them and then after that, Sam said,
after that there was no fighting.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, yeah, so there was just no fighting. Anecdotally, this
hypothesis might have some merits. Maybe the chimpanzees pimp hand
is strong, because I don't want the female chimps to
flowed into unbelievable levels of intersectional violence.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah. No, And it's it's like, it's like he did
not cause them any wounds. He just beat them. He
beat them with a stick on their bottoms, right, and
he did it in front of the kids to humiliate them. Man,
you know, and it's like it's like, okay, well you
know it worked.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
It worked.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
They learned, they figured out how to like not fucking
try to kill each other.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, and what what do you do in that circumstance
when you're responsible for the punishment. You can't just say, well,
the police take them, they can deal with you. Like
and if imagine the horror if he had come home
and one of them was dead, Yeah, one of them
was a murderer.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, good lord.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
And yeah, the only.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
One left was the one sobbing in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah. And then and then but this this is sort
of corroborated by the sheer volume of lesbian violence. Yeah,
like they just like women do not know how to
de escalate.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
No, they don't.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
And and you know it's not a it's not a
situation that you want seeing happening, but you can understand it. Okay,
So let's keep going.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
If this promise was not in this paper, why do
we keep seeing tick talk seeing it as if we
have scientific basis for it. Well, it's because we are
literally dying for a better, less violent world towards women. No, seriously,
are literally dying. No, you're not that female bonobos are
taking violent males out of the gene pool, because that

(45:37):
would give us permission to do the same. Why permission
in the first place, permission from bonobo's Like, why don't
we just do it?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Now? Do you all are unbelievably attracted to narcissistic soociopaths
like you do? Do we remember the t app or?

Speaker 3 (45:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Was it the tea app?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
I think it was. And and what we found was
that vast suaths of women were all choosing the same
men who are a Chinese parade full of red flags
of narcissism and sociopathy, Like you are, and and we
have statistical evidence that women find the narcissistic personality style

(46:17):
to be itself attractive. Yeah, okay, so you you find
these men attractive, you are seeking them out and having
babies with them. Nobody wants you too. This results in
women actually choosing men who are good fathers and understand
loyalty and commitment. Good, but I don't I doubt that

(46:41):
that's where Manifestel is going to go. And also this
epidemic of violence against women. No, this is a complete fiction,
a construct. I can use an example that I recently
walked through with groc because it wasn't wasn't like Grock,
you know gro Is X's Ai Grock. Really, it took
four hours for me to get to the point where

(47:04):
it understood what I was saying. It was talking about
this feminist organization that looks at the death of activists,
like activists being assassinated around the world right, and it
found lo and behold that women are uniquely targeted. However,
when I probe this information, I found that ninety percent

(47:25):
plus more like ninety five ninety eight percent of the
activists targeted around the world for assassination are male, and
a few of the activists. Female activists are targeted when
they're basically advocating for the same state undermining activism. And
I'm not saying that it's wrong, but it is state
undermining activism that the men are. But I think it

(47:48):
was AWI Awid was the organization. I do not know
the acronym, don't ask me to explain it, but it
was an organization looking at the death of female activists
around the world. But this organized nation said that women
were uniquely targeted for gender abuse prior to their assassination
and sexual violence. So I said, Grock, does this organization

(48:09):
look at whether or not male activists are targeted for
gendered abuse and sexual violence? Oh no, no, no, no,
no no. How can it say that women are uniquely targeted?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
You make a good point.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, no, idly empirically say that. So when she's talking
about the epidemic of female violence, it's an epidemic of
reframing the data in such a way to emphasize one
particular aspect of it that it's basically P hacking activist
P hacking.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yep, yep no, And you have to, okay, just for
the listeners. PSA public service announcement right, basically you you have. Okay.
So my daughter's going through some shit, okay, and I
was looking for a supplement regimen for her, and I
was like, okay, so Claude dot Ai, can you do

(49:02):
me a solid and just given what you know about
her condition, right, can you give me a list of
the most bioavailable supplements that I can that she can
take every day, right that will improve her health and
start healing her gun right? And he comes with this

(49:23):
and this huge list, right, and it's like massive amounts.
The only thing that looked even remotely reasonable was the
ten thousand international units of vitamin D three a day, right,
because ten thousand you have to take that for like
six months before it even remotely threatens toxicity, right at
that dose. But all of these other things like potassium

(49:46):
and magnesium and calcium and everything else, sodium and the
whole bit, right, all of these other things. And I
was like, I was like, okay, now, I would like
you to just this regimen, assuming that she's getting at
least some of these nutrients from a healthy diet. And

(50:09):
it was completely different. He was like, I see what
you're getting at, right, Like you can't you can't trust
the AI. You can't trust the ape to give you
the right answer. You have to actually know that it's
going to be completely naive. It was just assuming that
she wasn't eating anything, or that if she was eating things,

(50:31):
they were just calories without any nutrients, without any vitamins
or minerals in them. Right, So so yeah, no, so
you have to you have to really be careful with
the AI. Yeah, don't just take just don't just take it.
It's word for it.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Grok is. Actually, I have a lot of AI stories,
and yes, I know my camera is a little bit
screwed up. Right now, I have AI stories that I
can talk about. But let's finish this time code while
I think all right.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
An evolutionary biology, sperm morris often refers to the competition
between male gammeats inside the female reproductive tract, but this
can also be applied to the larger truth. Women, through
their meat choice, have always been the ultimate arbiters of
which sperm and which traits get carried forward. In this sense,
women control human evolution. And yes, yeah, yeh yeh, yes,

(51:25):
yes you do Jesus fuck finally, okay, so women control everything.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
So if men are violent, it's because of.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
You eve, how the female body drove two hundred million
years of human evolution. She talks about exactly that.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
How it seems to be an issue with my video here.
Hold on, I'm sorry, I'm gonna try and stop sharing.
The video got like choppy for some reason. I don't
know why. So let's do it again.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, just let me let me restart here and see
if I can get this working.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, you're connected thanks to both you guys, but it
should be okay, all right, let's try again and have.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
A role in shaping I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Why my video is dropping frames there? Can you guys
hear it? Okay, even if the isn't great, can you
guys hear everything that she's saying. I don't know why,
but it's like dropping crazy frames.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
It's not playing exactly well.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
I paused it. I paused it.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Oh okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah that's why, So hold on, all right.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
How women have a role in shaping human evolution Across
evolutionary time, the female body has been the primary selective
force shaping not only reproductive biology, but also brain development,
social organization, and even language. I took my time reading
this book, and my main takeaway is that women have
been shaping humanity ever since the beginning of humanity, whether

(52:58):
we believe it or not, whether we accept it or not,
the reality is we do.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Simply Okay, yeah, you simply do. So it's all your
fault that that's.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
The trick, right, How do we get out of that
bug that that little Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean
women select men and and so like you.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Know, well most of the time, most of the time.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, most of the time in general.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
So, and with that knowledge that we have the ability
to shape the future of humanity, we can then be
more mindful of how we are doing so, because it's
not a question of if we are able to do that.
We're already doing that. It's just a matter of how.
If aggression and violence have a heritable component, then female
made choice becomes an evolutionary filter. So let's get into

(53:45):
the biology of aggression. There are three things that point
to the biological basis of aggression and that it may
be real. Number one is hormones. Testosterone has been linked
to aggressive and statusy king, Now, no.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
That is seeking, yes, aggression, not necessarily.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Right, Yeah, as usual, it's the misconception of testostrone as
bad and yeah, I mean we you know, Allison Michael
Flood the other day this because we were responding to
I'm just talking because Allison's apparently like just gone now,
so we had to wait until she gets back. But
Michael Flood was coming after Allison on X because I

(54:27):
was explaining how, you know, like I was pretty sure
that and I've spoken to some people I had on
the show that one of the causes for my cancer
was that I was like, before I got involved with HBr,
I was like really into like soy drinks because I
was told they were healthy and I was trying to
be healthy, and so I was doing that and oh no,

(54:49):
my yeah, and my tea levels plummeted and I and
I basically became vulnerable to well cancers and and I
brought it up on a We were talking about the
Macha Man phenomenon, which is formative masculinity or whatever, and
Alison was putting out these short clips and even though
there are a lot of clips out there, the one
that Michael Flood got really upset about was my anecdote

(55:10):
about my experience with that. And he got in there
and he was basically like, you guys are fools, like
it was just so angry, and I was like, why
why are you Why is this the thing that really?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Oh yeah, no, it's because it's because he eats nothing,
but soy huh, it's because he eats nothing but soy.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I mean that's what that's like exactly so. But the
thing is, the whole, the whole thing is that for
whatever reason, you know, he's like, well, we have like,
here are a bunch of studies and all that, and
I and I had done, you know, research, and I
talked to some people who are sort of like more
in the like say outside of the you know, the cathedral,
outside of the cathedral on medicine, and they confirmed that

(55:50):
for whatever reason, like the whole health industry in the mainstream,
they all treat tesosprone like it's some kind of poison.
They all to some degree have this belief that testosterone
is bad and or at least too much of it
is bad. And the thing is, even with roid rage,
I think it's like when you're coming down from it

(56:11):
that you beget that you become like that, like it
converts estrogen.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
It converts to estradiol.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, yes, and that's when the aggression comes.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
But yeah, no, so it actually has to convert into
a female hormone and estrogen before it yeah, before it
causes inappropriate rage.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
And I mentioned, do you think you can switch to
your camera for a bit while I work on this?

Speaker 3 (56:38):
And we only have twenty minutes left and nobody really
needs to see your face? We can?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I don't know, I mean, like, I don't know what
good it would do, like because I don't you guys
were talking.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Well, it's just that.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
For a camera, I can switch your camera camera.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah, the camel camera is not one that's not working.
Let me see if I can get anything else.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Like one of your laptop.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, but it sucks. Oh there you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
All right, it's we're back. So yeah, anyway, she was
linking testosterone to aggression, because of course they do.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
And yeah, no, testosterone is a permissive hormone for aggression, right,
but testicles aren't the only things that generate testosterone. Adrenal
glens do as well. Right, So yeah, so you're looking
at you know, unless you remove the adrenal glens when
you cast right a mail, they're still capable of aggression.
It's just it's just an aggression is contextual. It's it's

(57:47):
always contextual, so it you know, an inappropriate aggression is
you know, like, what they found is that if you
deprive children of who want to engage in it rough
and tumble play, right, they end up either responding to
novel social situations with either social withdrawal or inappropriate aggression, right.

(58:13):
And they've demonstrated this with rats, they've demonstrated this with chimpanzees.
In fact, they've actually demonstrated with chimpanzees that deprivation of
rough and tumble play in early childhood results in cognitive
deficits that can be replicated by intentionally damaging an adult
monkey's brain. Okay, and you can't, of course experiment like

(58:38):
that on children, but they've found that with human children
it's basically the same as with rats and with chimpanzees,
follows the same patterns, replicates the results. And so you
have this situation where women have been basically micromanaging childhood

(58:59):
for kids for what however many decades, and you have
these young boys who've been deprived of rough and tumble play, right,
just being the boys will be boys thing, right, They've
been deprived of that through their whole childhood's been like
punished for engaging in it, and then that they grow

(59:20):
up to be either socially withdrawn or they grow up
to be inappropriately aggressive. So I mean, I'm sorry, but
women are mismanaging the species.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Man.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
And testosterone really has has it doesn't have a whole
lot to do with it. Although low testosterone men are moody,
they're easily irritated, they're agitatable, they have a short fuse, right, Okay,
Like look at that, Look at that that vape store video.
You remember the vape store video where the Trump supporter

(59:55):
guy in the Trump shirt and the and you can
tell he's got healthy testosterone. And he's actually trying to
be fair with the guy, trying to be reasonable, right,
trying to be like a reasonable guy, Like just sell
me the vape juice and I'll get out of here
and I won't come back, right, And the dude behind

(01:00:15):
the counter is absolutely dowey, low t right, and and
he's just flipping his shit. He's like small dog fucking
fear aggression, right, like just absolutely going insane. And so
I'm just like, you know, healthy testosterone is a good thing. Honestly,

(01:00:36):
It's it's like black conservative perspective a Greg Foreman BCP
on Twitter on x He's like, yeah, no, the Democrats
are the party of low testosterone men and high calorie women.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yes, yeah, we should probably get back to the time codes.
But also I am struggling with like, usually you know
you want to you want a cat for for for
mouse removal, Maybe I will.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
No, I think I caught another mouse, so I don't.
I don't know if I need the cat. I have
peanut butter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I just want town and I live my.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Spine and I've got my peanut butter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
That this woman actually resents the fact that men engage
in altruistic punishment against women in order to maintain social
peace and cohesion, and she wants to have her relational
violence towards other women. She wants to be free to
express it fully and then dominate them dominate other women

(01:01:31):
based on her own violence, which will not be in
any way constrained by men, which is why she likes
Bonabo's and also why she gives me the Heava gebis. Yeah,
no offense of all the of all the women we
respond to, even like Byrony Queer, Queer, Kiwi Rainbow, Rainbow
Bright and all of the bedroom the bedroom feminists and

(01:01:54):
even like the the Andrews Sarkisians, this woman gives me.
I don't want to say the ick she gives me
the creepy girl is. I don't know what it is.
It's just something about her.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
She is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
She is truly terrifying on some level. Okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Let's play some more of this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Just a relationship between higher circulating to stosterone and increased
aggression or dominance related outcomes. Cortisol also plays a role.
The dual hormone hypothesis posits that aggression is most likely
when the stosterone is high and cortisol is low. It
is physiological profile of dominance without there's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
On the screen there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
So the claim is that when tastron is high and
cortisol is low, that's when you get male aggression.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Okay, but what kind of mail aggression. That's the thing too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Well, we have to look at the data too, I
mean we would have to look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah, let's keep going.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
And the second is must mass and stature. Greater upper
body strength and muscle mass are associated with a higher
likelihood of engaging in aggressive competition, and anthropological research shows
that in many societies, taller wait.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
A second, Wait a second, But do they control for
the fact that when you engage in aggressive competition you
tend to increase your upper body mass or.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
That or that. Yet when when you don't have the
greater upper body mass and upper body strength, you're gonna
avoid aggression because you're scared of getting beaten up? Right, Like,
what does she want? Does she want to like marry
one of these like little ravity?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Right? Is she going to marry some guy who's shorter
than her? No, low, lower in body weight than her? Right,
who's less able to open a fucking pickle jar than her?
Is she gonna do that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
No? Of course not. No, Okay, let's let's let's fin this.
I think I have a serious suspicion.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
If you're looking if you're looking at aggression, and if
you're looking at societies that relied on aggression in order
to survive. Right, the bigger and stronger you were, right,
the more likely you were to survive long enough to
pass on your jeans as a male. Right, and you
could pass it on to multiple women, okay, in multiple cultures. Okay,

(01:04:23):
particularly if you were a warring species, right, the raping
and the pillaging. Right, you know, like if the Danes
had done more raping and less pillaging in the British isles,
maybe the British would have straighter teeth. But but yeah, no, soot,
you look at all of those things, all of those
things come together. Well, those were the people that they

(01:04:46):
weren't necessarily those men were not necessarily the men who survived.
They were the men who reproduced. Right, And if you
died at twenty five having sired eight children versus man
who lived to ninety having sired none, you've won, right,
And it really doesn't matter whether she consented to to

(01:05:08):
giving birth to your child.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Oh here here, I just asked rock. Social factors like poverty, education,
or trauma. Trauma often predict violence better than testosterone levels.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Yes, you can't use serum testosterone to predict the aggression.
You know, you can't do it. It's it's like it's
like you can have you can have a man with
like top tier testosterone and he'll be like that guy
in the vape shop, and you have a dude with
like super low testosterone and he's like flipping his ship.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yeah that and again, like low testosterone is associated can
be associated.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
With high levels of aggression.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Of aggression and roid rage is actually because estrogen. Testosterone
is being converted to estrogen in the brain. Studies show
testosterone can increase in competitiveness, risk taking, and reactive aggression
in certain contexts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
And reactive aggression. Yeah, so if somebody attacks you, you
you don't be able to fight back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Also, it increases cooperativeness and fairness.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Yeah, cooperativeness and fairness, fairness in bargaining, and cooperation male
male cooperation. This is the Soumani study that they did
right testosterone the tribe in Bolivia, right where they followed
them all day on a hunt. These to these two guys,
and you know, like it's it's like you get the

(01:06:37):
ants in pants syndrome right when you're home with the fam,
Like all the time, everything starts to irritate you. The
kids are bugging you, the wife is nagging you. It's
like it's getting like really annoying, right, and the meat's
running out, and so like the annoyance your testosterone is
really low, right because and so everything's irritating you, and

(01:06:59):
the annoyance gets you to knock on barney rubbles door
and say, let's go out hunting for a taper right,
And they tested their testosterone all day through saliva samples, right,
tested it all day, and then once they brought down
a taper, they got this massive blood of testosterone, right,

(01:07:22):
and then immediately on the heels of that, a massive
flood of oxytocin, right, which is the bonding hormone, right,
which connects you with your wife and your children and
your family. Right. Okay, so they got they got these
two surges of hormones back to back right. The surge
of testosterone was like, it gave them energy, It gave

(01:07:47):
them the resources, It freed up the resources needed to
repair damaged muscles, refuel all of that stuff, right, gave
them a sense of like euphoria. And then the oxytocin
reminded them of the wives and children back home. And
then by they so that they didn't sit down and
cut that thing up and like cook it and eat

(01:08:10):
it all themselves, took the trouble to lug it back home, right,
and then they divided it fairly between the two of
them so that they could ensure right, because if you
act like an asshole and you hog hat three quarters
of taper, right, yeah, that guy's not going to hunt

(01:08:31):
with you. Again right, So it's like all of this
is absolutely perfect, and they coast on that testosterone high
for a few days until the meat is starting to
run out, and then they start getting irritable, they start
getting restless, they start having problems sleeping right, and then
they go knock on Barney Rebbels door and say, hey,

(01:08:53):
you want to come out with me and hunt? Yes, yes,
I do?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Ah, right, shall we continue yep?

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
And higher social status reflecting an evolutionary pathway in which
stature and strength increase reproductive opportunities. And these traits, while
not inherently violent, they create a physical potential for dominance
and conflict. It's like pitbulls and shuahuas. One has a
greater capacity for damage simply because of their physique, but
it doesn't mean that they will always be one hundred

(01:09:21):
percent damaging. They just have a greater capacity for it.
And the third one is the warrior genes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yes, yes, No, chihuahuas are horribly, horribly fucking aggressive. They
just they're too small to hurt anybody. Pit Bulls are
notoriously if they're socialized property properly, notoriously fucking gentle and
loving and submissive and sweet right, So it's like, I'm sorry,

(01:09:49):
but like it's contextual and I'm sorry. Okay, so you're arguing.
What you're arguing for is you're arguing for women to
choose low testosterone males with small stature. That's never gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Okay, gives the finishing touch. So combining all of these
three factors hormones, muscle mass, of stature, and the warrior gene,
they all constitute a picture that the biological basis of
violence may exist. But caveat on caveat on caveat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Okay, just remember again, social factors like poverty, education, or
trauma often predict violence better than testosterone levels. In fact,
Ma Baker's Bonobo Ma Baker's Cletus is probably violent because
Bonobo Ma Baker beat the ever living crap out of
him as.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
A child well, and is probably also like a genetically
prone to violence.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
But again maybe genetically prone to violence. That doesn't mean
he's genetically prone to testosterone. Like, there's two different factors.
It's the genetically women are genetically prone to violence, do
and when she says you have the gene for it,
doesn't mean you will one hundred percent express it. She
just seems to be talking about men. Yeah, of course,

(01:11:06):
recognizing that women are also have violence chains in them. Okay, yeah,
let's continue.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
That's the end of the three time codes I chose.
But I can give you guys her thesis and then
you can respond to it. But I think you guys
are able to see where it's going. So essentially, what.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Give us her thesis?

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I'm confirming thesis women have always held and most must
consciously reclaim. So they've always held and must consciously reclaim
the power to shape a less violent human future through
deliberate mate choice, coalition building, and nurturing, just as Bonobo
females do through biology and collective action. Expanded women has

(01:11:48):
always held the power to change the future. We have
the power to cultivate tenderness, cooperation, creativity, and resilience by
choosing differently, by choosing fathers differently, by choosing to nurture
boys and a men differently, we can claim our power
of choice fully and without apology. We do more than
create children. We create a whole new world.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Okay, Yeah, except for I don't want to live in
Bonobo society. I don't I don't want to have to
mate with cletus, all right, just because his mom says.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
So no, no, just because his mom cracked your skull.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
And you probably don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Want your twelve year old daughters have to have to
prostitute themselves to be able to exist, yep, No, you know,
prefer them to have a father who takes care of them. Yeah,
good lord, Yeah no, no, thank you nuts, no seal manifestel.
But honestly, it's not like women are gonna do this anyway.

(01:12:49):
They just are gonna They're just it's all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
They're just they're gonna go for They're gonna go for
the dark triad guys still, right, And and they're not
gonna they're not gonna marry that kind of avity engineering types, right,
like the five foot seven guys who you know, put
on a button up shirt and go to work every
day and make good money writing speak fucking being boring,

(01:13:15):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
But those guys are also not sneaky fuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
They're just they're just dudes who are existing, yeah yeah,
and and doing useful work. So it's like, but yeah, no,
you're gonna go for the guy like my son who's
six foot five, muscular, right, and a little bit of
a freaking a little bit of an asshole. That's who

(01:13:38):
you're gonna go for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Yep, exactly, all right, all right, I guess I guess
did you get the super child or is the super
chat that I saw?

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Ryan?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
There was a super chat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Given what I do, have it up. I'll read it now, Okay,
albut Ross gave us five dollars earlier and says gibbons
might be a slightly better analogy for humans, since givens
actually pair, bond and work together to help the family
and are pretty peaceful.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Well, you're talking about monogamous species. No, we're like a
hybrid monogamous tournament species.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I think we'd push back on that, but we probably
should get going. I think we're obligate monogamous. Honestly, it's
just that we when, just like the chimps can change
into the bonobos, when you have completely artificial circumstances, I
think we can revert back to not like a more

(01:14:35):
I don't even think tournament, more like a well yeah,
actually more of a tournament's style mating.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Well, that's what we're doing right now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, but it's a reversion. Well, just like the chimps
can revert into the bonobos.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
But it's like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Think, if you just leave us in an environment with
the necessary amount of resource pressure and tribal pressure, we
probably would go back to like a strict monogamy. And
just because the only way for a woman to actually
have children in that circumstance is to be able to

(01:15:09):
not just a man, a family, and that family is
going to want to make sure that whatever offspring she
produces is related to them. So it's not just the
it's not just the man. It is the grandma, it's
the man's brothers, it's the man's sisters, it's the man's
fathers and grandfather and grandma, all of those people that
that woman is going to endeavor to invest in her offspring.

(01:15:31):
She cheats if that isn't genetically related to them. So
that's that's where the pressure comes from. The reason why
I say that is that I don't think that human
women just off on their own trying to survive can
maintain fertility. No, it's too it's too strenuous. So it's
like we have to have we have to have a
social group supplying us with the necessary calories to even

(01:15:53):
become fertile.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
And uh yeah, and so we need to get the
government out of the big supporting.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
We need to get the government out of the business
of providing women calories that otherwise we're not going to
solve this problem. And also, women who were able to
convince a social group to provide them the necessary contribution
for them to becomfortile likely had the social skills to
raise children, yes, which likely resulted in a much better outcome. Yes, right, okay,

(01:16:28):
But anyway, so if you like to support the show.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Because she does, she it's just funny to me because
she basically makes the argument that what women being careful
about selecting men for reproduction is not eugenics, because eugenics
is systematic, and I think it's funny because it literally is.
It's just that there is no moral component to people selections.

(01:16:57):
But there's this desire to say eugenics is made because
it's systemic and it's patriarchal. But women when they do it,
it's not. It's survival, it's choice, it's freedom. It's just
funny because you have to like do this mental pretzeling
to like justify something that nobody really should have a
problem with anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's like, Okay, so if you
have a harlequin baby, right, you know that you have
one in four chance of having another harlequin baby. And
anybody who doesn't know what a harlequin baby is go
look it up. Right. And so if you choose not
to have any more kids, or if you choose to

(01:17:39):
get a sperm donor or a donor egg, right in
order to have that second child, right, you're engaging in eugenics,
right to avoid having a second harlequin baby. Yeah, And
it's I don't have a problem with that. I really
don't have a problem with that because you know, like

(01:18:01):
you know that harlequin babies only occur when both parents
have the gene, right, and then then there's a one
in four chance that that will occur. And so in
order to avoid that, right, you have to replace one
gam meat or the other with somebody else's who does

(01:18:21):
not have the gene. And so I mean, like, I
don't I don't have a problem with somebody who who
decides that, you know, okay, we're going to avoid having
a second harlequin baby, but we want another child, right,
and they go get a donor egg or donor sperm, right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
That's eugenics. That's eugenics. I'm sorry, but it is right.
I'm I have zero problem with that, not intentionally taking
the chance to create a baby that's going to grow
up into someone if grow up into someone who has

(01:19:02):
like these massive freaking problems, right, and just just look
it up, just just look it up. It's it's horrific.
It's so tragic. You know. Even the ones that that
survive are are just they're crippled for life and they
have to go through like such like their eyes slowly,

(01:19:23):
their eyelids slowly seal shut, right, they go blind, their
fingers gradually fused together and and fall off, the tips
of them fall off, and they just it's just it's
not you don't want to bring a child like that
into the world. Now, you don't want to create a
child like that. I can I can see engaging in

(01:19:47):
eugenics to avoid that. And so I'm just like I
would I say, well, abort that baby, no, right, But
would I say avoid creating conceiving that child? Yes? Yes?
So yeah, no, it's it's Jenny eugen X happens all

(01:20:12):
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
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Speaker 6 (01:21:14):
Men's Right activists are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
deal with, especially if you have, like especially if you
have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
On top of that, too, Holy shit, you're fucked