September 8, 2025 • 40 mins
Goto devrinn.com to get the book or any of the other related products. Coach Devrinn Paul is the Rose Hulman Tech University Womans Basketball Coach. James Lott Jr is the CEO and founder of JLJ Media and is a Certified Coach in 5 areas and has a Docorate in Divinity.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello you guys.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am James Igia from JLJ Media And if you
are watching with this book here and the author of
this book. But if you're listening, there's a book out
now that you should be you should be running.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well you have to run it. You go on your
phone and get it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
But it's called coaching a winner within several leadership skills
to elevate your team and your life. Because sports it's
good stuff for life. Life scare stuff for sports. It
works together. We're gonna talk about that on the show
with this with this person. I you know, this person
was one fan of his. You knows that already. And
I've actually had to meet him in person. I'm here
in l A. He's in the end, but we met
(00:43):
in person several times. And he has the women's basketball
coach for Rose Holman Tachnical College. It's really it's a universe.
It's just it's a great a great brand. We you know,
the show we have our with them is great. And
we put out this book and I've been wanting to
talk to him about it, so we're going to talk
about it right now.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Coach ever, Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Coach, thank you for that great intro.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
James.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know you've You've done so much for our program.
I want to start off by saying thank you. Before
meeting you, we didn't have a podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
We were trying to expand our reach when it came
to just exposure and engagement. And I believe that the
podcast has been a great tool and benefit and resource
for us in our program. So I want to say
thank you to you as well as Doug for helping
us to complete that and get that out there to
the masses.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, no, thank you so much. You know, once, once
we got started, I was like, I like this place,
this is good. This is because you're you. I tell
him this all the time off camera, like I'm like,
this is a great job. It's like you know, you
are you. You're good on the mic. I know, you know,
I know you're getting used to it. It's kind of new,
its fory, but you're good on the mic. I mean, so, folks,
you got to listen to these episodes that really he's
really good talk about the team, what's going on, his
(01:56):
philosophy's and missions. You know, I stand behind two thousand percent,
So thank you, and I look forward to a new season.
With you guys, and we've got a whole thing going
on with that, So thank you for saying that. I
appreciate that. And we support each other, so we got
what we do. We're all a big, big family. And
I want to start out with in your book, congratulations
on the book. First, congratulations, thank you. One of the
(02:18):
things because writing and everybody, everybody can just write a book, folks,
you gotta make sure your focus what is it me?
What's he gonna do? This book is really good for everyone.
I want to start out with that's all. It's on
page fifty five the book. And I want to get
your thoughts on this because I was like, he's right.
He titles it when some are successful suggests just listen.
(02:43):
That's I think that's no one talks about that. I
love that you said that. Can you elaborate because I
feel like people need to understand when someone's already done
what you've done, or already a little ahead of you,
don't run your mouth. Just kind of sit back and
see what they're saying. Right, that's that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yes, yes, And I'm a firm believer in you know,
surround yourself with good people and let them be good
people and soak in the knowledge, soaking up the wisdom
and the understanding so you can get better. And I
believe that the Bible speaks about that in the Book
of Proverbs. My faith is a huge thing, and the
way I coach, the way I conduct myself, God is
(03:25):
the reason for the season. So when I was speaking
about that in the book, I was referring to an
encounter that I had with someone that hit coach with
me at the University of Louisville and Louisville, Kentucky. And
in that program, we went to two national championships. So
obviously that entire staff was very, very well educated. They
(03:49):
had a lot of wisdom, a lot of understanding. Every
assistant coach that came out of they had an opportunity
to become a head coach, and anybody that's in sports
they kind of understand that, you know, the next progression
for an assistant coach is to possibly be a head
coach if that's something that you're interested in. So it
was a lot of success in that program. And you know,
(04:10):
I was younger, inexperienced, trying to figure things out, and
I figured I was like, instead of me going out
here bumping my head up against the wall. I'm just
asking people around me. And you know, I was sitting
in a meeting one day and my head coach at
the time, Jeff Wallas, who's going to be a Hall
of Fame coach and one of my coaching mentors, he
said he was, you know, going, he was going on.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
A rant and sometime he would do that in some
of those meetings.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
And I was sitting there soaking up everything, and he said,
you know, when I was an assistant coach, I was
the first one in the office, and I was the
last one to leave.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And I thought to myself, I said, oh, man, hold on,
I was like, am I the first one in?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I was like, nah, am I the last one to
leave sometime? And I was like, okay, But it doesn't
take you to have no type of talent, Like you
don't need to know anything about basketball. You don't need
to to be the best speaker, you don't need to
be the best person drawing up plays. And I thought
to myself, I said, well, if he did that, and
when he was an assistant coach, he went to a
(05:10):
national championship. He won a national championship. So I'm like, Okay,
I aspired to win a national championship, I'm gonna do
what he did. So that's what kind of got me
on the path to, you know, utilizing my work ethic,
because I always had a work ethic from my parents.
My dad taught me to always show up and do
more than what's required. So I had this work ethic,
(05:32):
but I didn't know how to apply it to where
I could get better results.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And so when he.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Said that, I said, oh, okay, I don't have no
problem coming in early. I just wasn't thinking about that.
So I started coming in early, beating all of the
coaches to the office, and then I started staying late.
And in a lot of those times when I was
staying late, my head coach was also staying late. So
we built a relationship during those hours. You know, it
just beat me and him in the office, and next thing,
(05:58):
you know, we talking about basketball and he's teaching any
other stuff. So that's really where it came from. And
that's one of the teaching moments that I had with
that coach and that coaching mentor.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
So I'm so appreciative of that.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's so smart of you, because I think people don't
realize who's around them. I mean, yeah, you know you're like, okay,
I'm working, I'm in the presence of this person. This
mean you know, like their resumes and stuff, but we
don't do the work to get to absorbed, to be
a sponge off of them in a good way.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Make it a good.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Way where you're just like, yeah, I mean they're successful
and they're doing it right now, and I want to
be like them, so I should put in the work
to kind of Folks don't do that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You say, they don't think, They don't think about that.
You just don't think.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So Hopefully with us talking about it right now in
your book, they'll get you to think about stuff like that,
and like take everybody. I had great mentors over the years.
I had great mentors over the years who didn't start
out that way. They were just people I worked with
or worked for, but they taught me a lot. Yeah,
I use a real what you got, use your resources
around you or somebody that's something saying about that, right,
(07:06):
you know, it's right in front of you. There's a
broom and mop right in front of you. Got to
learn how to use the broom mop, right, it's right there.
I mean, they're there to help.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
You, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Why do you think some people get their own way
and feel like, well, I know what I'm doing and
I know how to do this, and I don't I
don't listen to nobody. Why do you think that happens?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I mean, I think there's a number of reasons, but
I know for myself. You know, I've also been in
that type of situation where I thought I knew stuff,
you know, and I think it boils down to your ego.
You know, you, once you do have a form of success,
you start to think that you know more than what
you actually do know. And I learned that you're always
(07:46):
a student. There's always something that you don't know, there's
always something that you can learn, There's always an area
where you can get better. So, you know, I went
through that as an assistant coach. When my first assistant
coaching job at Marshall University. You know, I had just
came from a program where we, like I said, we
were very successful. We went to two national championship games.
(08:07):
I got to soak up all the knowledge from those
coaches and now, you know, it's my opportunity. Now I'm
an assistant coach I'm recruiting. I took that next step
in my career and I go to a program where
they weren't very successful. So they had just hired a
new coach, a new head coach, and he was coming
in trying to change the culture, trying to get the
program on the right footing. So he brought me in
(08:29):
as an assistant coach and we were working together, and
you know, at first, I would kind of be like, man,
why are we doing stuff like this? I was questioning everything,
like you know they can. I knew everything they can.
I knew what we should be doing. But once again,
I learned the first year because my old head coach
(08:49):
had told me. When I had told him I was
interested in the job opportunity, we had a chance to
have a sit down and he told me, he said, hey,
the first year that you go in there, when you're
in those staff meetings and everybody's sitting down and they're
talking about what they're going to do, you need to
just listen. And I was like what, Like, I'm supposed
to be coming in there making an impact, Like what
(09:10):
are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Like listen?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
He was like, no, you don't know how these people
work together. You don't know what they need yet, you know,
so the first year, you know, you just sit back
and you listen. So if it wasn't for him saying that,
I would have went in there try to do what
I thought was best, tried to say stuff, And I
really just think it just comes from your ego. And
I think a lot of times when you look at
(09:32):
social media, when you look at things that the world
puts out there to us, they always try to put
it out to where it's like someone's up here and
somebody else is down here. So when you think about
it like that, why would you ever want to be
the person that's below somebody else. So we try to
like put ourself like, oh no, I know this. So
if you know more, then people respect you more. And
(09:54):
I've learned that it has nothing to do with what
you know. Matter of fact, it has everything to do
with how you grow. So I've really embraced the growth
process and I've actually learned that that's what it's really about.
You know, It's about the journey. It's not about the destination.
It's really about the journey. So once I took on
that mindset and I program shift myself and that's to
(10:17):
anybody out here who may be struggling with their ego.
And a lot of times we don't know that it's
our ego, you know, we just think that we're trying
to overachieve. But if you're also overstepping other people and
you're crushing people on the way, I mean, you know,
if I'm looking for somebody that's gonna get a job done,
I'm not looking for somebody who's gonna get the job
(10:38):
done and crush everybody's feelings within the process. Like I'm
looking for somebody that can maneuver and work together with
other people as well as accomplish a goal. So I
think that's something that can help people that may be
struggling with that ego syndrome.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Hey you just okay, folks. We ten minutes of this conversation.
He just dropped the gym. Folks, I'm gonna repeat the
gem he said. I want you to hear what he said.
It's not always what you know, it's how you grow.
I heard for and I'm eight hundred years old, and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I learned.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know, I coach, I just I just for me.
I think that's such because it's I've because I've learned
that lesson. That's the whole thing I mean, and it's
oh my god, that's that's such a good gem folks.
You guys need to look at that, listen to that.
Let that sink in and now. And the second thing
is because we've had to talk before. Now it's connecting
the dots of how you coach, because you told me
(11:37):
before how you came into Rose Holman. You didn't come
in bulldoze and just Okay, we're gonna do this and
i'm this, and i'm that you came in and I
was like, and you said you absorbed the culture.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
What was it like?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, you told me that before, so not just like
I got a connection now of what you what you
said before and now but back to the yeah, back
to the growing one. I want to tell people myself,
to you that I always say things like I know
what I know, I don't know everything. I don't clai
know everything. And even at one hundred years old, I'm
still learning shit all the time, learning stuff all the time,
(12:10):
me seriously. And the lessons come sometimes the most likely places.
It's like it's just long, keep your eyes and ears open,
the knowledge will come to you. And if you have
faith like we do, then you know it's divine intervention.
I mean, that's a whole point. God, I's trying to
talk to you all the time, coach, Right, he's I
try to talk to you. But if you're so busy, like, well, no,
I already know what I know. I know what I know,
(12:32):
and I don't need to know. I mean, I'm good them,
then nothing will come through.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
The wall is up, so he can't talk to you
through a wall. We probably could talk through a wall,
but the point he is when he wants you to
have the wall down that you can listen. That's where
faith comes from. Right, that was good, coach. I know.
I like I just I always like to when I
hear some like that, I'm like, we're gonna, we're gonna
put that in the description.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I like. I like that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I want to go on to page one, page twenty
because I am curse about this. You talk about a
foundation of self awareness, and I know it's a tricky
thing for people to be, whichaws you self aware, but
how you actually handle that? I want folks to read
the book. Obviously you tell me about how to do this,
(13:18):
but can you just talk about that a little bit
about how to how do you evaluate yourself without being
harsh to give yourself great, so not being harsh, but
being real like that kind of like how do they
talk about that?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I think that that is the that's the foundation of
personal development, because how can you get better if you
don't know what you need to get better at? So
I think that removing the feelings is the first step
to that because a lot of times we're emotionally attached
to our improvement as a person. You know, it's like, well,
(13:54):
if I if I got to work on my communication,
does that mean I'm a bad communicator?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh? Man?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
That for this long and then we go into our
own head and we start overthinking. And when I work
with my players, especially at Rose homand they're very, very
high academically. You know, these are four point zero students,
these cream of the crop, so they can overthink, and
anytime they overthink, they underperform. So anytime you in your
(14:22):
head and you're overthinking a bunch of stuff, you're going
to normally underperform where you should be performing, whether it's
at your job, your career, with your family, whatever you're doing.
So I think that the major thing is to disconnect
the emotional attachment to the improvement process. And the way
that you can do that is use tools and resources,
(14:44):
you know, don't just depend on yourself, because now when
you depend on yourself, you can't see every flaw, you know,
because it's like it's like somebody going through life and
you keep making the same mistake. You don't think it's
a mistake until you look at somewhere else or something happens.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And usually that's when we want to change.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
You know, drastic situations, Oh so so and so passed away,
Oh let me get my life together, or you know,
I lose a job, Oh let me, let me, let
me start working on myself. That's usually what brings about change.
But I'm all about changing and developing before a catastrophe hits,
Like why do we wait for it to be a
(15:26):
need before we realize that this is a part of
the journey, the development of us as a person. You're
not supposed to be the same that you were ten
years ago. Like if so, if a lot of times
I meet people or people that I know, they'll be like,
hey man, you changed a lot, Like you changed so much,
And I'm thinking to myself, why haven't you it's been
(15:49):
ten fifteen years since I talked to you, and you're
still doing the same stuff. You're still in this and
it's not a judgmental thing. It's just it's just that
we should always be advancing and progressing. So I think
utilizing the resources that you have. I like to use
an assessment, and I think that at this point, anybody
(16:10):
could get their hands on some type of assessment. Whether
it's a disk assessment, whether it's a personality assessment.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
There's a lot of different tools and resources that you
could use.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
And when you use a resource, now the attachment goes
to the resource. It's not on you no more. And
that's what helped me because I was very critical of myself,
you know, like, oh, well, you know, if I'm a
great communicator, why am I not able to reach this person?
And then you start getting in your feelings. Well, don't
(16:40):
let the way you feel affect the way you flow.
And that's something that I live by. Don't let the
way don't let your emotions overtake you so much to
where now you can't get nothing done. So when I
use the resource of having the assessment, now I just
break it down into a different segments instead of and
(17:00):
I use a disk assessment, but instead of the D,
you have a lion. So I'm even removing the letter
situation because people would be like, well, I'm a high D.
But if you make it these fluffy little animals, and
now we're just in the jungle of personal development. So
now you don't have to think about it like oh,
it's so personal. Now you can make it to where
(17:21):
it's a fun activity. It's a workshop for yourself. So
I think that that's the first step for anybody that's
struggling or looking to self evaluate or have self awareness.
It's the first use a resource. And then the second
thing would be to make sure you have areas that
you're measuring. And that's why I like personal values. You know,
(17:44):
have a value system for yourself. We'll go to work
and we'll follow through with the mission statement at work
and stuff, but like you don't have a mission statement
for yourself, for your family, for your own personal life.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
So having personal values, you know, if you.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Say your family is important to you, most people usually
say religion to some capacity, the family, the career, finances, health,
you know, these are things that people say are important
to them.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So what I do is I have.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Them do an effort assessment, So you write out these
main areas, right, four to five areas. Don't go beyond
four or five because if you try to shoot at everything,
you'll hit nothing. So you give four or five areas,
and then you rate yourself just on your effort level.
It's not about if you're successful or you're moving up
(18:35):
the corporate ladder, like, just rate yourself on your effort level,
like you know, one to ten in each area and
your health set. Are you physically working out? Are you
making progress with the things that you're eating. Are you
taking time out for your mental health? Like, are you
exercising these aspects? If you are, you give yourself eight
to ten or whatever it is. You just go through
(18:57):
each each area and you just rate your and that
gives you a visual of where you need to attack.
So the next thing is not making it such a big, huge,
dramatic jump. Start with something small and I talk about
that in the book a Lot Small Wins, Small wins.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
If you could be consistent with the small, simple things, you'll.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Start to see extraordinary process progress. So just take one
step and stop focusing on a whole staircase. So that's
something that I would say and I want to give
to everybody that's listening today when it comes to self
awareness is using resources around you, using that effort, assessment
with your personal values, and taking one small critical step
(19:43):
towards getting better again.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Droping gems.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Number one, I agree completely with the taking emotion out
of it. I know for some people it's hard, but
you can do it. I say, he tells you ways
on how to do it in the book, so I
mean you can do it. You have to compartmentally if
you have to separate, because when you come from emotional place,
it's hard to it's hard to look at stuff like
(20:09):
realistically and honestly because isn't the goal and goal for
you at home it's to do better. It's to be better,
feel better, all that stuff. So whether it's like you said,
whether it's health or your job or relationship, you want
you always want to do. You want to strive for
something better than what's going on. Right, so you have
to kind of we realize that's the end game, but
(20:30):
the end game with the journey is that you're always
striving for better.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
The second thing I agree with that and my coaching.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Practice, my motto is small steps into large rewards. So
it's funny you and I have something very similar that
we both agree. It's like you know how to eat
an elephant a chunk at a time. You're not don't
saying It's like it's literally when you see something big
in front of you, it's too daunting. You just see
your brain just goes, oh, I'll do it. I'll see
(20:56):
guys later up checking out. I'll be at the beach.
As I was telling them earlier, I'll be at the beach.
I'll see guys later.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But when you look at it, it's all about reframing,
which this book is all about that. About reframing, you
get to reframed how to look at it, and it's
literally the you know, Okay, I'm gonna start warning four
things that he said. Just I'll pick one thing just
that the coach just said. I'll look at my relationship,
or I'll look at my my job. I've been there
five years.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
We look at me.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Look at it. Honestly? Am I doing the best work?
Do I like the job? Am I?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
You know? Am I just coasting? You know? Do I
have any aspirations? Like right?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That kind of stuff like just kind of and looking
at it performance go you know what I'm doing okay.
It's okay to say you're doing okay, but I could
do better, right, Coach. That's the whole point. It's that
you can say, I'm yeah, but I could do better?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Right? Yes, yeah, I mean like that's the I like that.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
But what you but what also coach talking about is reframing.
And that's the main thing that loves coaches do anyway,
you guys, it's like you can't if you look at something,
that's that whole glass aast full half empty thing. For me,
I said, I look at water in a glass. I
always say that's my whole That's my main thing is
if there's some water in a glass, we're doing okay today.
I mean I don't care if it's half or whatever.
It's just I got water. And it's all about reframing
(22:10):
how you look. So the next thing I want to
talk about is this all actually falls in line your
your faith plays a part in your journey. That's how
That's how I wrote it, and it's and mostly almost
all your chapters over with with a with a with
a verse of some sort from the Bible and everything
and so how so I know for me, it's held
(22:33):
me through, it has got me through stuff. And so
personally and professionally, and I want to go on to
and and actually kind of intertwined because somebody because obviously
just personally in your professional life, jip, mean how you perform.
So where'd you learn your strong sense of faith? Was
the family? Was it friends? Was on your own?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Like how'd you learn about faith? For you?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Great question?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I think the first place that faith aspect happening was
at home. You know, my mother is a believer in
Jesus Christ, but she wasn't always like, you know, we
didn't always go to church. We didn't always go to
Bible study and stuff like when I was like, we
didn't go to church, but my mother would pray with
(23:18):
us at home and she would she would she would.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Teach us about God.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
But I didn't know God at a younger age. So
my faith came from my personal experiences with the Lord.
So I've literally like walked into miracles, and it just
like my faith just like kept increasing as these things
were happening, because I just literally like would just talk
and pray like I'm just having a conversation, and I
(23:43):
remember I was thirteen years old and I wanted to
go to this particular high school, but it wasn't in
my district or my zone.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It wasn't my.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Home school to go to, right, So in Kentucky, you
you go to your homeschool unless you can get what
they call a transfer. Yeah, my parents were like, man,
we're not going through all of that, Like the school
up the street is fine, Like, I don't know why
you are, you know, tripping over this. But to me
it was a big thing because you know, I was
(24:13):
playing sports. So the coach had already like reached out
to me. They wanted me to.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Come to U.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So I was like, man, this is where I want
to go. So I was walking up to hill when
I was in the eighth grade and it was this
hill like right in front of where my parents live
at to this day, and I would run up that hill.
I would work out on that hill, like I would
go do extra reps on that hill. So I'm walking
up the hill going to the bus stop one day
and then I was just like.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Man, God, if you're real, show that you real.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
By helping me get into this high school. Like I
want to get into this high school because you do
something for me to get into this high school. Didn't
think about the prayer, didn't even know that I was praying.
I was just like just I'm just like, man, I
don't have nothing to do with this. I don't know
what to do. I had been going to Sunday School
at the church because my uncle was always in church
and he was also a basketball coach. So in order
(25:06):
for you to play on the church basketball team, you
had to go to Sunday School.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
So I was going to Sunday.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
School and I was learning about the Word of God.
I was learning about the Bible. They would have you
like recite the Bible. And I always tell people when
you have children, even if you don't go to church,
like send your kids to Sunday School, because it really
played a large part of my life. Like I said,
my parents were not going to church, so the only
(25:32):
form of God that I was getting was when I
was at Sunday School. So I was learning about God,
and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna pray
and I'm an ask God forgot about it, didn't worry
about it, kept it moving.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
So one day I was in I went to one
of the basketball games at that high.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
School and my uncle was like, hey, can you record
the game? He was a coach at the school, so
he was like, can you go up there. This was
back you know when you had the the actual camera
and you oh, yeah, it's like a you know, digital
It was this was real, like like you got to
really record the game.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So I walk up the bleacher, set up the camera
and stuff, and I'm recording the game. And at halftime,
I walk down the.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Bleachers to go grab a hot dog or something from
the concession stand and this lady's like trying to like
get down the stands, and you could tell she was
probably like.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Fifties, you know, close to sixty years old.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
So I'm like, let me help her. So I'm helping
her and she was like hey, like man, how you doing.
And I was like I'm good. And she was like, well,
thank you for helping me. Do you do you help
with the team. I was like yeah, I'm I'm helping
record the game. My uncle's a coach. She was like, oh,
if you ever need anything, you let me know. I'm
the principal here.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I was like what and she was like, yeah, if
you need anything, I said, you know what, I do
need something.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I want to go to school.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
And she said, she said, you get your mom to
send me an email and we'll work on that. And
that's how I got into that school. And that was
just that was all faith. I had nothing.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I didn't I didn't know how, I had no idea
what I was doing.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
But and and you know, that's just one instance, but
those personal experiences with the Creator are the things that
really have grown my faith to the points of where
like I'm unmovable, I'm unshakable because I know that God
is with me, you know he you know, it says
in the Bible that Jesus is on the right hand,
(27:36):
is the right hand of God.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
So so he right there, Jesus right.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Here with met God over here, God looking over me,
Holy spirits inside of me.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
How can I lose?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Like?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
How like I can't lose.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
So that that's where my my faith was built from,
from that walk up that hill, and it's just been
going and growing ever since then.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I have to share quick. I'm gonna test a quick
story myself, real quick. And I love that story.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Mine was during the pandemic when it first happened, when
it first hit in La. Everything shut down. So I mean,
like the industry in your remember in this industry that
they all also we can film and we're here, we
get everything shut down. So I'm sitting in my house,
sitting here in my house, try to figure it out.
And you know, I said out bills coming through. I mean,
like that didn't stop. So we went a few things.
(28:23):
We had a few things. We're like, well, defer everything.
But there was one thing I needed. I just seriously,
I was like, okay, I need It was like four
hundred and thirty one dollars and eight cents. I remember
it so clearly as I just need that to pay
for this thing. So I talked to gods, I'm leaving
in your hands. He says, don't worry, right, if you
worry doesn't help anything. So whatever I'm doing. Then I
(28:45):
got a gig. Soone was like, James, can you can
you virtually coach somebody?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Whatever?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So I did it for this company or whatever. I
did a couple of sessions. I'm not even almost almost cuts.
Excuse me, I asked you not. I got a check
for thirty one dollars day cents. I still haven't. I
told my aunt, who's the pastor. She goes, yeah, and
she's not laughing. He goes, of course. But it was
like literally to the penny, because I talked to him,
(29:12):
said I need this, I need this, and literally two
years later I got it. I was gonna pay that bill.
But I mean the part that got me and made
and reaffirmed my belief in him was that it was
down to the penny. I didn't plan that. It was
not me at all. It was it was not me
like you said, it was not me at all. So
I always tell that story because I think it's just
(29:32):
like and and I love your story. You have this
old this old lady, you know, that's my age. Now
it's old lady down this down the thing. And but
literally she's the principal of school. That's not you. That
was that was not that was not made. That Come on, folks,
I always say, well, then that that happened, there's no coincidences.
There just isn't. I'm sorry. It's it's planned because you
were open to it. Because by to our other thing,
(29:54):
you were you were open to God and whatever he
could bring to you. Want to go to your end games,
I want to go to your school.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I love it also. Okay, so next thing, and I
love this book. I dog in his books folks, Sorry,
but you know that's that's how you remember stuff. Okay.
Another thing that's very important and it's gonna be taken
many different ways. And I want to talk about this
embracing diversity and adding values on page ninety two. And
(30:24):
I like that because you talk about how everyone has
different gifts when you're in a group, and I do.
I do a lot of team building exercise stuff with people.
I go to, go to places and new team building
stuff and that to me is a core tenant. Can
you talk about that about how when you when you
now you've come into a place, whether it's a job
or your sports team or church function, whatever, and you're
(30:48):
and you're there to help everybody. How important is embracing
and realizing there's diversity in this group and how to
add value?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I mean, and that's actually added to chat. I didn't
want to do that chapter.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Why O.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Why the book started off as seven chapters. It was
just the seven skills that I talk about within the book.
But the company that I work with shout out to
ninety Minutes Publishing. But the company that I had worked with.
They were like, you know, we really think that people
would benefit from hearing like things that you wish you
(31:26):
would have learned earlier in your career. And I was like,
I don't really want to talk about that though, and
they was like, but like, the transparency will help the
reader to digest and also give them an accelerated growth
that you want to help them with. So I was like, okay,
So I had to go back and think about I'm like, oh,
now I got to go back and make a whole
(31:46):
other chapter. So I went back and I thought about it,
and I went back to when I felt like I
knew everything right. And that's usually where we are when
we first start something and we have a little sass
and we're younger, you know, we think that we know everything.
(32:07):
So I was in a situation where I thought I
knew what was best that we should do, and I
was very outspoken about those things, and it kind of
tainted the relationships of people around me that on that
coaching staff. And now that I'm I'm wiser, and I'm
older and I have more experience, I understand how diversity
(32:28):
is a good thing you should never take away somebody's
superpower because you don't understand it, you know. So what
I did was I put everything into a box where
I could see right like, oh well, this is what
I know would work, this is how it normally goes.
And you if you don't know everything, you don't know
how it's gonna go. You have no idea what's gonna happen.
(32:51):
Matter of fact, you you could be limiting what God
is really trying to do with your life because you
only can see so far. But there's a difference between
site and vision, right Like, if I got my site,
I'm just looking at like literally like what's in front
of me? But my vision I can see out the side.
(33:11):
I got peripheral vision. I can see all these different areas.
And that's where diversity is very important. But when you
come in and you're adding value, you automatically hop into
how could I be an asset? What could I do?
So you stop looking at things and pointing out what's wrong,
and now you start to identify those things as okay.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Maybe that's why I'm here. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It's like I tell my players every year we have
a beginning of the year meeting, right, and we sit
down and we talk about expectations of the team. They
make commitments that they're going to do as a team.
It's very collaborative. It's not just me talking to them,
but we're working together as a team. And one of
the things that we always talk about is how when
(33:55):
you start to complain, you're taking a route that's going
away from where we're trying to go because.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Now you have put the focus on what you want
to do.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
We're not doing this or this is not going right,
and now you're focused on what you want to do,
and that means that you're not adding any value. You're
actually taking away because because somebody got to put energy
into you now to get you back onto the path
that we're we're supposed to all be going. So now
you draining the team. You're not adding any value. But
when you focus on Okay, you know I'm on this
(34:29):
team or I'm a part of this organization, and I
see we need help with cleaning up.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
You could look at that two ways.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
You can say, why is it nobody that's coming in,
where's the custodians at, why they not doing this?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Why they not picking up this trash?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Or you could say, you know what let me let
me go get a vacuum and let me run through
this real quick, or let me take this trash bag
out and now you add value, right, And it's very
hard to get rid of somebody that's valuable, Like if you,
if you come in there and you adding value, it's
very difficult for somebody say, hey, we're gonna have to
replace you.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I know because I did that.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Like I was a graduate assistant coach at the University
of Louisville when I first got there, I was in school,
did that for two years. I graduated. Normally you move on,
but the coach saw something ment me. He saw I
was valuable to the program, and he brought me back
and paid me and gave me a paid position.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Like that only came because I was valuable.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
If I wasn't adding any value, they wouldn't want me
to come back. They would have been like, Okay, good job, get.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
It going your way. We did what we could do
for you.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
But I think that just the aspect of you being
willing to give instead of take is what helps you
to be a value add And then the diversity part,
just like I said, I just feel like all of
us have so many gifts, skills and talents inside of us.
That everything gets better when we start to work as
(35:56):
a collaboration. It's not a me and you, it's we
are together. So lose the I and get the Wii.
Drop the K me and get the Wii.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, no, I And that's I like that chapter. So
I'm glad they made you do it that I like.
So there, I like that chapter. I think I think
it does add value to the book.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I appreciate that, and I'm happy to you know.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
That's why I said diversity just in that instance right here.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I don't know everything.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This is the book publishing company telling me what will
be helpful in a book.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
So I listened, and I did it and look at
that and added value.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You folks, you talk.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
He's practicing what he preaches, which we like. Also coach
Paul thinking for your time. That's that, folks, what's called
coaching and winning within. It's really good. I feel like
you should get it. It's a guide, so like you
don't have to read through it all at once. You
literally go through it step by step. Pick a chapter
and read it and go and figure that. I mean,
it's it's it's as we say, is it's evergreen and
(37:01):
something that can be used anytime. It's not like it's
just good for this year, you know, I just for
the season or whatever. And you can apply it to
so many parts of your life. And that's that's why
I liked the book and.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I round it. I bought it. You didn't give me.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I went out and bought it my own money. I'm supporting.
I support in the authors and support black authors. I
support everybody out there who is trying to the thing
that I want to give you credit for is you're
trying to put something.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Positive out there.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Coach Paul, You're like, I want to get so much
negative of being put out there.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
You made a choice to go I don't put something
out that's positive.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Some people be positive and like workers that's positive, Like
it's the whole, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
So thanks for doing that.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
I'm appreciative of that, and thank you for buying it,
reading it, and everybody that they buysed a copy, I
always try to at least send them a text message,
reach out to them because I understand it's an investment
that you made in yourself, and a lot of times
we don't understand how beneficial that is for us until
we actually do it. So I appreciate the people that
(38:04):
took a chance and actually went for it.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, and also cheers to a good season upcoming season
for Rollo and Woods basketball. It's gonna it's gonna be
great now, positives will be great. That's been a great season.
We're looking forward to that for you guys. And of
course the new season our podcast too. We're here on
jail j Media. Of course I'm James Lo see you on.
Founder of jail jmdia and also a coach in Cerveral Areas.
(38:30):
Devren Paul is also a coach also and other than
just basketball coaching. Where can they find you? If they
want to reach out to you, can they find yes?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
If First of all, if you want to buy a book,
you can purchase the book online at devyn d e
v r i n n dot com. So you go
to that link. There's different options. If you want to
get the physical copy by itself, you can do that.
You can also get a digital workbook that goes with
the book that you can use to work through it
because just like said, there's a lot of content within
(39:02):
the book, so you could use it almost like a
personal coaching session for yourself and you could work through it,
come back to it, digest it when you feel like it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I also have the audio.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Book as well, so if you are more of a
listener and you want to hear it, you can also
purchase that online as well if you want all three.
I have the trio, so you can also get the
trio as well. So I think that that's the number
one seller right now, is the trio. Where you get
the physical copy, you get the digital workbook, and you
get the audiobook as well. So I'm going to encourage
(39:33):
people to take that next step for yourself. You know,
it's not about the book, and I talk about this
a lot in the book. It's not about me, you know.
I think a lot of people they think about, oh well,
let me go get this book because the DP. But like,
it's not about me. It's really about you becoming the
best version of yourself. And sometimes we don't know where
to start, which is okay, It's okay. You know when
(39:54):
it comes down to investing in yourself. You can hear
that on social media a lot, but how do you
do those things and how does it take place? And
I believe especially as a basketball coach, it starts with
the fundamentals. You gotta start with the fundamentals. So these
seven skill sets, they're literally the fundamentals of personal development
in order.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
For you to level up, elevate your.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Game as an individual, and start to attract those opportunities
that you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's all possible, folks, it really is. It's all possible,
and we will see you next time.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Thanks for having me.
Hello you guys.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am James Igia from JLJ Media And if you
are watching with this book here and the author of
this book. But if you're listening, there's a book out
now that you should be you should be running.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well you have to run it. You go on your
phone and get it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
But it's called coaching a winner within several leadership skills
to elevate your team and your life. Because sports it's
good stuff for life. Life scare stuff for sports. It
works together. We're gonna talk about that on the show
with this with this person. I you know, this person
was one fan of his. You knows that already. And
I've actually had to meet him in person. I'm here
in l A. He's in the end, but we met
(00:43):
in person several times. And he has the women's basketball
coach for Rose Holman Tachnical College. It's really it's a universe.
It's just it's a great a great brand. We you know,
the show we have our with them is great. And
we put out this book and I've been wanting to
talk to him about it, so we're going to talk
about it right now.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Coach ever, Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Coach, thank you for that great intro.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
James.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know you've You've done so much for our program.
I want to start off by saying thank you. Before
meeting you, we didn't have a podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
We were trying to expand our reach when it came
to just exposure and engagement. And I believe that the
podcast has been a great tool and benefit and resource
for us in our program. So I want to say
thank you to you as well as Doug for helping
us to complete that and get that out there to
the masses.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, no, thank you so much. You know, once, once
we got started, I was like, I like this place,
this is good. This is because you're you. I tell
him this all the time off camera, like I'm like,
this is a great job. It's like you know, you
are you. You're good on the mic. I know, you know,
I know you're getting used to it. It's kind of new,
its fory, but you're good on the mic. I mean, so, folks,
you got to listen to these episodes that really he's
really good talk about the team, what's going on, his
(01:56):
philosophy's and missions. You know, I stand behind two thousand percent,
So thank you, and I look forward to a new season.
With you guys, and we've got a whole thing going
on with that, So thank you for saying that. I
appreciate that. And we support each other, so we got
what we do. We're all a big, big family. And
I want to start out with in your book, congratulations
on the book. First, congratulations, thank you. One of the
(02:18):
things because writing and everybody, everybody can just write a book, folks,
you gotta make sure your focus what is it me?
What's he gonna do? This book is really good for everyone.
I want to start out with that's all. It's on
page fifty five the book. And I want to get
your thoughts on this because I was like, he's right.
He titles it when some are successful suggests just listen.
(02:43):
That's I think that's no one talks about that. I
love that you said that. Can you elaborate because I
feel like people need to understand when someone's already done
what you've done, or already a little ahead of you,
don't run your mouth. Just kind of sit back and
see what they're saying. Right, that's that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yes, yes, And I'm a firm believer in you know,
surround yourself with good people and let them be good
people and soak in the knowledge, soaking up the wisdom
and the understanding so you can get better. And I
believe that the Bible speaks about that in the Book
of Proverbs. My faith is a huge thing, and the
way I coach, the way I conduct myself, God is
(03:25):
the reason for the season. So when I was speaking
about that in the book, I was referring to an
encounter that I had with someone that hit coach with
me at the University of Louisville and Louisville, Kentucky. And
in that program, we went to two national championships. So
obviously that entire staff was very, very well educated. They
(03:49):
had a lot of wisdom, a lot of understanding. Every
assistant coach that came out of they had an opportunity
to become a head coach, and anybody that's in sports
they kind of understand that, you know, the next progression
for an assistant coach is to possibly be a head
coach if that's something that you're interested in. So it
was a lot of success in that program. And you know,
(04:10):
I was younger, inexperienced, trying to figure things out, and
I figured I was like, instead of me going out
here bumping my head up against the wall. I'm just
asking people around me. And you know, I was sitting
in a meeting one day and my head coach at
the time, Jeff Wallas, who's going to be a Hall
of Fame coach and one of my coaching mentors, he
said he was, you know, going, he was going on.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
A rant and sometime he would do that in some
of those meetings.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
And I was sitting there soaking up everything, and he said,
you know, when I was an assistant coach, I was
the first one in the office, and I was the
last one to leave.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And I thought to myself, I said, oh, man, hold on,
I was like, am I the first one in?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I was like, nah, am I the last one to
leave sometime? And I was like, okay, But it doesn't
take you to have no type of talent, Like you
don't need to know anything about basketball. You don't need
to to be the best speaker, you don't need to
be the best person drawing up plays. And I thought
to myself, I said, well, if he did that, and
when he was an assistant coach, he went to a
(05:10):
national championship. He won a national championship. So I'm like, Okay,
I aspired to win a national championship, I'm gonna do
what he did. So that's what kind of got me
on the path to, you know, utilizing my work ethic,
because I always had a work ethic from my parents.
My dad taught me to always show up and do
more than what's required. So I had this work ethic,
(05:32):
but I didn't know how to apply it to where
I could get better results.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And so when he.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Said that, I said, oh, okay, I don't have no
problem coming in early. I just wasn't thinking about that.
So I started coming in early, beating all of the
coaches to the office, and then I started staying late.
And in a lot of those times when I was
staying late, my head coach was also staying late. So
we built a relationship during those hours. You know, it
just beat me and him in the office, and next thing,
(05:58):
you know, we talking about basketball and he's teaching any
other stuff. So that's really where it came from. And
that's one of the teaching moments that I had with
that coach and that coaching mentor.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
So I'm so appreciative of that.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's so smart of you, because I think people don't
realize who's around them. I mean, yeah, you know you're like, okay,
I'm working, I'm in the presence of this person. This
mean you know, like their resumes and stuff, but we
don't do the work to get to absorbed, to be
a sponge off of them in a good way.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Make it a good.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Way where you're just like, yeah, I mean they're successful
and they're doing it right now, and I want to
be like them, so I should put in the work
to kind of Folks don't do that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You say, they don't think, They don't think about that.
You just don't think.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So Hopefully with us talking about it right now in
your book, they'll get you to think about stuff like that,
and like take everybody. I had great mentors over the years.
I had great mentors over the years who didn't start
out that way. They were just people I worked with
or worked for, but they taught me a lot. Yeah,
I use a real what you got, use your resources
around you or somebody that's something saying about that, right,
(07:06):
you know, it's right in front of you. There's a
broom and mop right in front of you. Got to
learn how to use the broom mop, right, it's right there.
I mean, they're there to help.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
You, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Why do you think some people get their own way
and feel like, well, I know what I'm doing and
I know how to do this, and I don't I
don't listen to nobody. Why do you think that happens?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I mean, I think there's a number of reasons, but
I know for myself. You know, I've also been in
that type of situation where I thought I knew stuff,
you know, and I think it boils down to your ego.
You know, you, once you do have a form of success,
you start to think that you know more than what
you actually do know. And I learned that you're always
(07:46):
a student. There's always something that you don't know, there's
always something that you can learn, There's always an area
where you can get better. So, you know, I went
through that as an assistant coach. When my first assistant
coaching job at Marshall University. You know, I had just
came from a program where we, like I said, we
were very successful. We went to two national championship games.
(08:07):
I got to soak up all the knowledge from those
coaches and now, you know, it's my opportunity. Now I'm
an assistant coach I'm recruiting. I took that next step
in my career and I go to a program where
they weren't very successful. So they had just hired a
new coach, a new head coach, and he was coming
in trying to change the culture, trying to get the
program on the right footing. So he brought me in
(08:29):
as an assistant coach and we were working together, and
you know, at first, I would kind of be like, man,
why are we doing stuff like this? I was questioning everything,
like you know they can. I knew everything they can.
I knew what we should be doing. But once again,
I learned the first year because my old head coach
(08:49):
had told me. When I had told him I was
interested in the job opportunity, we had a chance to
have a sit down and he told me, he said, hey,
the first year that you go in there, when you're
in those staff meetings and everybody's sitting down and they're
talking about what they're going to do, you need to
just listen. And I was like what, Like, I'm supposed
to be coming in there making an impact, Like what
(09:10):
are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Like listen?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
He was like, no, you don't know how these people
work together. You don't know what they need yet, you know,
so the first year, you know, you just sit back
and you listen. So if it wasn't for him saying that,
I would have went in there try to do what
I thought was best, tried to say stuff, And I
really just think it just comes from your ego. And
I think a lot of times when you look at
(09:32):
social media, when you look at things that the world
puts out there to us, they always try to put
it out to where it's like someone's up here and
somebody else is down here. So when you think about
it like that, why would you ever want to be
the person that's below somebody else. So we try to
like put ourself like, oh no, I know this. So
if you know more, then people respect you more. And
(09:54):
I've learned that it has nothing to do with what
you know. Matter of fact, it has everything to do
with how you grow. So I've really embraced the growth
process and I've actually learned that that's what it's really about.
You know, It's about the journey. It's not about the destination.
It's really about the journey. So once I took on
that mindset and I program shift myself and that's to
(10:17):
anybody out here who may be struggling with their ego.
And a lot of times we don't know that it's
our ego, you know, we just think that we're trying
to overachieve. But if you're also overstepping other people and
you're crushing people on the way, I mean, you know,
if I'm looking for somebody that's gonna get a job done,
I'm not looking for somebody who's gonna get the job
(10:38):
done and crush everybody's feelings within the process. Like I'm
looking for somebody that can maneuver and work together with
other people as well as accomplish a goal. So I
think that's something that can help people that may be
struggling with that ego syndrome.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Hey you just okay, folks. We ten minutes of this conversation.
He just dropped the gym. Folks, I'm gonna repeat the
gem he said. I want you to hear what he said.
It's not always what you know, it's how you grow.
I heard for and I'm eight hundred years old, and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I learned.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know, I coach, I just I just for me.
I think that's such because it's I've because I've learned
that lesson. That's the whole thing I mean, and it's
oh my god, that's that's such a good gem folks.
You guys need to look at that, listen to that.
Let that sink in and now. And the second thing
is because we've had to talk before. Now it's connecting
the dots of how you coach, because you told me
(11:37):
before how you came into Rose Holman. You didn't come
in bulldoze and just Okay, we're gonna do this and
i'm this, and i'm that you came in and I
was like, and you said you absorbed the culture.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
What was it like?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, you told me that before, so not just like
I got a connection now of what you what you
said before and now but back to the yeah, back
to the growing one. I want to tell people myself,
to you that I always say things like I know
what I know, I don't know everything. I don't clai
know everything. And even at one hundred years old, I'm
still learning shit all the time, learning stuff all the time,
(12:10):
me seriously. And the lessons come sometimes the most likely places.
It's like it's just long, keep your eyes and ears open,
the knowledge will come to you. And if you have
faith like we do, then you know it's divine intervention.
I mean, that's a whole point. God, I's trying to
talk to you all the time, coach, Right, he's I
try to talk to you. But if you're so busy, like, well, no,
I already know what I know. I know what I know,
(12:32):
and I don't need to know. I mean, I'm good them,
then nothing will come through.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
The wall is up, so he can't talk to you
through a wall. We probably could talk through a wall,
but the point he is when he wants you to
have the wall down that you can listen. That's where
faith comes from. Right, that was good, coach. I know.
I like I just I always like to when I
hear some like that, I'm like, we're gonna, we're gonna
put that in the description.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I like. I like that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I want to go on to page one, page twenty
because I am curse about this. You talk about a
foundation of self awareness, and I know it's a tricky
thing for people to be, whichaws you self aware, but
how you actually handle that? I want folks to read
the book. Obviously you tell me about how to do this,
(13:18):
but can you just talk about that a little bit
about how to how do you evaluate yourself without being
harsh to give yourself great, so not being harsh, but
being real like that kind of like how do they
talk about that?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I think that that is the that's the foundation of
personal development, because how can you get better if you
don't know what you need to get better at? So
I think that removing the feelings is the first step
to that because a lot of times we're emotionally attached
to our improvement as a person. You know, it's like, well,
(13:54):
if I if I got to work on my communication,
does that mean I'm a bad communicator?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh? Man?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
That for this long and then we go into our
own head and we start overthinking. And when I work
with my players, especially at Rose homand they're very, very
high academically. You know, these are four point zero students,
these cream of the crop, so they can overthink, and
anytime they overthink, they underperform. So anytime you in your
(14:22):
head and you're overthinking a bunch of stuff, you're going
to normally underperform where you should be performing, whether it's
at your job, your career, with your family, whatever you're doing.
So I think that the major thing is to disconnect
the emotional attachment to the improvement process. And the way
that you can do that is use tools and resources,
(14:44):
you know, don't just depend on yourself, because now when
you depend on yourself, you can't see every flaw, you know,
because it's like it's like somebody going through life and
you keep making the same mistake. You don't think it's
a mistake until you look at somewhere else or something happens.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And usually that's when we want to change.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
You know, drastic situations, Oh so so and so passed away,
Oh let me get my life together, or you know,
I lose a job, Oh let me, let me, let
me start working on myself. That's usually what brings about change.
But I'm all about changing and developing before a catastrophe hits,
Like why do we wait for it to be a
(15:26):
need before we realize that this is a part of
the journey, the development of us as a person. You're
not supposed to be the same that you were ten
years ago. Like if so, if a lot of times
I meet people or people that I know, they'll be like,
hey man, you changed a lot, Like you changed so much,
And I'm thinking to myself, why haven't you it's been
(15:49):
ten fifteen years since I talked to you, and you're
still doing the same stuff. You're still in this and
it's not a judgmental thing. It's just it's just that
we should always be advancing and progressing. So I think
utilizing the resources that you have. I like to use
an assessment, and I think that at this point, anybody
(16:10):
could get their hands on some type of assessment. Whether
it's a disk assessment, whether it's a personality assessment.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
There's a lot of different tools and resources that you
could use.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
And when you use a resource, now the attachment goes
to the resource. It's not on you no more. And
that's what helped me because I was very critical of myself,
you know, like, oh, well, you know, if I'm a
great communicator, why am I not able to reach this person?
And then you start getting in your feelings. Well, don't
(16:40):
let the way you feel affect the way you flow.
And that's something that I live by. Don't let the
way don't let your emotions overtake you so much to
where now you can't get nothing done. So when I
use the resource of having the assessment, now I just
break it down into a different segments instead of and
(17:00):
I use a disk assessment, but instead of the D,
you have a lion. So I'm even removing the letter
situation because people would be like, well, I'm a high D.
But if you make it these fluffy little animals, and
now we're just in the jungle of personal development. So
now you don't have to think about it like oh,
it's so personal. Now you can make it to where
(17:21):
it's a fun activity. It's a workshop for yourself. So
I think that that's the first step for anybody that's
struggling or looking to self evaluate or have self awareness.
It's the first use a resource. And then the second
thing would be to make sure you have areas that
you're measuring. And that's why I like personal values. You know,
(17:44):
have a value system for yourself. We'll go to work
and we'll follow through with the mission statement at work
and stuff, but like you don't have a mission statement
for yourself, for your family, for your own personal life.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
So having personal values, you know, if you.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Say your family is important to you, most people usually
say religion to some capacity, the family, the career, finances, health,
you know, these are things that people say are important
to them.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So what I do is I have.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Them do an effort assessment, So you write out these
main areas, right, four to five areas. Don't go beyond
four or five because if you try to shoot at everything,
you'll hit nothing. So you give four or five areas,
and then you rate yourself just on your effort level.
It's not about if you're successful or you're moving up
(18:35):
the corporate ladder, like, just rate yourself on your effort level,
like you know, one to ten in each area and
your health set. Are you physically working out? Are you
making progress with the things that you're eating. Are you
taking time out for your mental health? Like, are you
exercising these aspects? If you are, you give yourself eight
to ten or whatever it is. You just go through
(18:57):
each each area and you just rate your and that
gives you a visual of where you need to attack.
So the next thing is not making it such a big, huge,
dramatic jump. Start with something small and I talk about
that in the book a Lot Small Wins, Small wins.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
If you could be consistent with the small, simple things, you'll.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Start to see extraordinary process progress. So just take one
step and stop focusing on a whole staircase. So that's
something that I would say and I want to give
to everybody that's listening today when it comes to self
awareness is using resources around you, using that effort, assessment
with your personal values, and taking one small critical step
(19:43):
towards getting better again.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Droping gems.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Number one, I agree completely with the taking emotion out
of it. I know for some people it's hard, but
you can do it. I say, he tells you ways
on how to do it in the book, so I
mean you can do it. You have to compartmentally if
you have to separate, because when you come from emotional place,
it's hard to it's hard to look at stuff like
(20:09):
realistically and honestly because isn't the goal and goal for
you at home it's to do better. It's to be better,
feel better, all that stuff. So whether it's like you said,
whether it's health or your job or relationship, you want
you always want to do. You want to strive for
something better than what's going on. Right, so you have
to kind of we realize that's the end game, but
(20:30):
the end game with the journey is that you're always
striving for better.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
The second thing I agree with that and my coaching.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Practice, my motto is small steps into large rewards. So
it's funny you and I have something very similar that
we both agree. It's like you know how to eat
an elephant a chunk at a time. You're not don't
saying It's like it's literally when you see something big
in front of you, it's too daunting. You just see
your brain just goes, oh, I'll do it. I'll see
(20:56):
guys later up checking out. I'll be at the beach.
As I was telling them earlier, I'll be at the beach.
I'll see guys later.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But when you look at it, it's all about reframing,
which this book is all about that. About reframing, you
get to reframed how to look at it, and it's
literally the you know, Okay, I'm gonna start warning four
things that he said. Just I'll pick one thing just
that the coach just said. I'll look at my relationship,
or I'll look at my my job. I've been there
five years.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
We look at me.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Look at it. Honestly? Am I doing the best work?
Do I like the job? Am I?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
You know? Am I just coasting? You know? Do I
have any aspirations? Like right?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That kind of stuff like just kind of and looking
at it performance go you know what I'm doing okay.
It's okay to say you're doing okay, but I could
do better, right, Coach. That's the whole point. It's that
you can say, I'm yeah, but I could do better?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Right? Yes, yeah, I mean like that's the I like that.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
But what you but what also coach talking about is reframing.
And that's the main thing that loves coaches do anyway,
you guys, it's like you can't if you look at something,
that's that whole glass aast full half empty thing. For me,
I said, I look at water in a glass. I
always say that's my whole That's my main thing is
if there's some water in a glass, we're doing okay today.
I mean I don't care if it's half or whatever.
It's just I got water. And it's all about reframing
(22:10):
how you look. So the next thing I want to
talk about is this all actually falls in line your
your faith plays a part in your journey. That's how
That's how I wrote it, and it's and mostly almost
all your chapters over with with a with a with
a verse of some sort from the Bible and everything
and so how so I know for me, it's held
(22:33):
me through, it has got me through stuff. And so
personally and professionally, and I want to go on to
and and actually kind of intertwined because somebody because obviously
just personally in your professional life, jip, mean how you perform.
So where'd you learn your strong sense of faith? Was
the family? Was it friends? Was on your own?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Like how'd you learn about faith? For you?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Great question?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I think the first place that faith aspect happening was
at home. You know, my mother is a believer in
Jesus Christ, but she wasn't always like, you know, we
didn't always go to church. We didn't always go to
Bible study and stuff like when I was like, we
didn't go to church, but my mother would pray with
(23:18):
us at home and she would she would she would.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Teach us about God.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
But I didn't know God at a younger age. So
my faith came from my personal experiences with the Lord.
So I've literally like walked into miracles, and it just
like my faith just like kept increasing as these things
were happening, because I just literally like would just talk
and pray like I'm just having a conversation, and I
(23:43):
remember I was thirteen years old and I wanted to
go to this particular high school, but it wasn't in
my district or my zone.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It wasn't my.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Home school to go to, right, So in Kentucky, you
you go to your homeschool unless you can get what
they call a transfer. Yeah, my parents were like, man,
we're not going through all of that, Like the school
up the street is fine, Like, I don't know why
you are, you know, tripping over this. But to me
it was a big thing because you know, I was
(24:13):
playing sports. So the coach had already like reached out
to me. They wanted me to.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Come to U.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So I was like, man, this is where I want
to go. So I was walking up to hill when
I was in the eighth grade and it was this
hill like right in front of where my parents live
at to this day, and I would run up that hill.
I would work out on that hill, like I would
go do extra reps on that hill. So I'm walking
up the hill going to the bus stop one day
and then I was just like.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Man, God, if you're real, show that you real.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
By helping me get into this high school. Like I
want to get into this high school because you do
something for me to get into this high school. Didn't
think about the prayer, didn't even know that I was praying.
I was just like just I'm just like, man, I
don't have nothing to do with this. I don't know
what to do. I had been going to Sunday School
at the church because my uncle was always in church
and he was also a basketball coach. So in order
(25:06):
for you to play on the church basketball team, you
had to go to Sunday School.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
So I was going to Sunday.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
School and I was learning about the Word of God.
I was learning about the Bible. They would have you
like recite the Bible. And I always tell people when
you have children, even if you don't go to church,
like send your kids to Sunday School, because it really
played a large part of my life. Like I said,
my parents were not going to church, so the only
(25:32):
form of God that I was getting was when I
was at Sunday School. So I was learning about God,
and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna pray
and I'm an ask God forgot about it, didn't worry
about it, kept it moving.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
So one day I was in I went to one
of the basketball games at that high.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
School and my uncle was like, hey, can you record
the game? He was a coach at the school, so
he was like, can you go up there. This was
back you know when you had the the actual camera
and you oh, yeah, it's like a you know, digital
It was this was real, like like you got to
really record the game.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So I walk up the bleacher, set up the camera
and stuff, and I'm recording the game. And at halftime,
I walk down the.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Bleachers to go grab a hot dog or something from
the concession stand and this lady's like trying to like
get down the stands, and you could tell she was
probably like.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Fifties, you know, close to sixty years old.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
So I'm like, let me help her. So I'm helping
her and she was like hey, like man, how you doing.
And I was like I'm good. And she was like, well,
thank you for helping me. Do you do you help
with the team. I was like yeah, I'm I'm helping
record the game. My uncle's a coach. She was like, oh,
if you ever need anything, you let me know. I'm
the principal here.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I was like what and she was like, yeah, if
you need anything, I said, you know what, I do
need something.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I want to go to school.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
And she said, she said, you get your mom to
send me an email and we'll work on that. And
that's how I got into that school. And that was
just that was all faith. I had nothing.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I didn't I didn't know how, I had no idea
what I was doing.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
But and and you know, that's just one instance, but
those personal experiences with the Creator are the things that
really have grown my faith to the points of where
like I'm unmovable, I'm unshakable because I know that God
is with me, you know he you know, it says
in the Bible that Jesus is on the right hand,
(27:36):
is the right hand of God.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
So so he right there, Jesus right.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Here with met God over here, God looking over me,
Holy spirits inside of me.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
How can I lose?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Like?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
How like I can't lose.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
So that that's where my my faith was built from,
from that walk up that hill, and it's just been
going and growing ever since then.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I have to share quick. I'm gonna test a quick
story myself, real quick. And I love that story.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Mine was during the pandemic when it first happened, when
it first hit in La. Everything shut down. So I mean,
like the industry in your remember in this industry that
they all also we can film and we're here, we
get everything shut down. So I'm sitting in my house,
sitting here in my house, try to figure it out.
And you know, I said out bills coming through. I mean,
like that didn't stop. So we went a few things.
(28:23):
We had a few things. We're like, well, defer everything.
But there was one thing I needed. I just seriously,
I was like, okay, I need It was like four
hundred and thirty one dollars and eight cents. I remember
it so clearly as I just need that to pay
for this thing. So I talked to gods, I'm leaving
in your hands. He says, don't worry, right, if you
worry doesn't help anything. So whatever I'm doing. Then I
(28:45):
got a gig. Soone was like, James, can you can
you virtually coach somebody?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Whatever?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So I did it for this company or whatever. I
did a couple of sessions. I'm not even almost almost cuts.
Excuse me, I asked you not. I got a check
for thirty one dollars day cents. I still haven't. I
told my aunt, who's the pastor. She goes, yeah, and
she's not laughing. He goes, of course. But it was
like literally to the penny, because I talked to him,
(29:12):
said I need this, I need this, and literally two
years later I got it. I was gonna pay that bill.
But I mean the part that got me and made
and reaffirmed my belief in him was that it was
down to the penny. I didn't plan that. It was
not me at all. It was it was not me
like you said, it was not me at all. So
I always tell that story because I think it's just
(29:32):
like and and I love your story. You have this
old this old lady, you know, that's my age. Now
it's old lady down this down the thing. And but
literally she's the principal of school. That's not you. That
was that was not that was not made. That Come on, folks,
I always say, well, then that that happened, there's no coincidences.
There just isn't. I'm sorry. It's it's planned because you
were open to it. Because by to our other thing,
(29:54):
you were you were open to God and whatever he
could bring to you. Want to go to your end games,
I want to go to your school.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I love it also. Okay, so next thing, and I
love this book. I dog in his books folks, Sorry,
but you know that's that's how you remember stuff. Okay.
Another thing that's very important and it's gonna be taken
many different ways. And I want to talk about this
embracing diversity and adding values on page ninety two. And
(30:24):
I like that because you talk about how everyone has
different gifts when you're in a group, and I do.
I do a lot of team building exercise stuff with people.
I go to, go to places and new team building
stuff and that to me is a core tenant. Can
you talk about that about how when you when you
now you've come into a place, whether it's a job
or your sports team or church function, whatever, and you're
(30:48):
and you're there to help everybody. How important is embracing
and realizing there's diversity in this group and how to
add value?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I mean, and that's actually added to chat. I didn't
want to do that chapter.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Why O.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Why the book started off as seven chapters. It was
just the seven skills that I talk about within the book.
But the company that I work with shout out to
ninety Minutes Publishing. But the company that I had worked with.
They were like, you know, we really think that people
would benefit from hearing like things that you wish you
(31:26):
would have learned earlier in your career. And I was like,
I don't really want to talk about that though, and
they was like, but like, the transparency will help the
reader to digest and also give them an accelerated growth
that you want to help them with. So I was like, okay,
So I had to go back and think about I'm like, oh,
now I got to go back and make a whole
(31:46):
other chapter. So I went back and I thought about it,
and I went back to when I felt like I
knew everything right. And that's usually where we are when
we first start something and we have a little sass
and we're younger, you know, we think that we know everything.
(32:07):
So I was in a situation where I thought I
knew what was best that we should do, and I
was very outspoken about those things, and it kind of
tainted the relationships of people around me that on that
coaching staff. And now that I'm I'm wiser, and I'm
older and I have more experience, I understand how diversity
(32:28):
is a good thing you should never take away somebody's
superpower because you don't understand it, you know. So what
I did was I put everything into a box where
I could see right like, oh well, this is what
I know would work, this is how it normally goes.
And you if you don't know everything, you don't know
how it's gonna go. You have no idea what's gonna happen.
(32:51):
Matter of fact, you you could be limiting what God
is really trying to do with your life because you
only can see so far. But there's a difference between
site and vision, right Like, if I got my site,
I'm just looking at like literally like what's in front
of me? But my vision I can see out the side.
(33:11):
I got peripheral vision. I can see all these different areas.
And that's where diversity is very important. But when you
come in and you're adding value, you automatically hop into
how could I be an asset? What could I do?
So you stop looking at things and pointing out what's wrong,
and now you start to identify those things as okay.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Maybe that's why I'm here. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It's like I tell my players every year we have
a beginning of the year meeting, right, and we sit
down and we talk about expectations of the team. They
make commitments that they're going to do as a team.
It's very collaborative. It's not just me talking to them,
but we're working together as a team. And one of
the things that we always talk about is how when
(33:55):
you start to complain, you're taking a route that's going
away from where we're trying to go because.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Now you have put the focus on what you want
to do.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
We're not doing this or this is not going right,
and now you're focused on what you want to do,
and that means that you're not adding any value. You're
actually taking away because because somebody got to put energy
into you now to get you back onto the path
that we're we're supposed to all be going. So now
you draining the team. You're not adding any value. But
when you focus on Okay, you know I'm on this
(34:29):
team or I'm a part of this organization, and I
see we need help with cleaning up.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
You could look at that two ways.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
You can say, why is it nobody that's coming in,
where's the custodians at, why they not doing this?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Why they not picking up this trash?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Or you could say, you know what let me let
me go get a vacuum and let me run through
this real quick, or let me take this trash bag
out and now you add value, right, And it's very
hard to get rid of somebody that's valuable, Like if you,
if you come in there and you adding value, it's
very difficult for somebody say, hey, we're gonna have to
replace you.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I know because I did that.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Like I was a graduate assistant coach at the University
of Louisville when I first got there, I was in school,
did that for two years. I graduated. Normally you move on,
but the coach saw something ment me. He saw I
was valuable to the program, and he brought me back
and paid me and gave me a paid position.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Like that only came because I was valuable.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
If I wasn't adding any value, they wouldn't want me
to come back. They would have been like, Okay, good job, get.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
It going your way. We did what we could do
for you.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
But I think that just the aspect of you being
willing to give instead of take is what helps you
to be a value add And then the diversity part,
just like I said, I just feel like all of
us have so many gifts, skills and talents inside of us.
That everything gets better when we start to work as
(35:56):
a collaboration. It's not a me and you, it's we
are together. So lose the I and get the Wii.
Drop the K me and get the Wii.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, no, I And that's I like that chapter. So
I'm glad they made you do it that I like.
So there, I like that chapter. I think I think
it does add value to the book.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I appreciate that, and I'm happy to you know.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
That's why I said diversity just in that instance right here.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I don't know everything.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This is the book publishing company telling me what will
be helpful in a book.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
So I listened, and I did it and look at
that and added value.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You folks, you talk.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
He's practicing what he preaches, which we like. Also coach
Paul thinking for your time. That's that, folks, what's called
coaching and winning within. It's really good. I feel like
you should get it. It's a guide, so like you
don't have to read through it all at once. You
literally go through it step by step. Pick a chapter
and read it and go and figure that. I mean,
it's it's it's as we say, is it's evergreen and
(37:01):
something that can be used anytime. It's not like it's
just good for this year, you know, I just for
the season or whatever. And you can apply it to
so many parts of your life. And that's that's why
I liked the book and.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I round it. I bought it. You didn't give me.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I went out and bought it my own money. I'm supporting.
I support in the authors and support black authors. I
support everybody out there who is trying to the thing
that I want to give you credit for is you're
trying to put something.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Positive out there.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Coach Paul, You're like, I want to get so much
negative of being put out there.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
You made a choice to go I don't put something
out that's positive.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Some people be positive and like workers that's positive, Like
it's the whole, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
So thanks for doing that.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
I'm appreciative of that, and thank you for buying it,
reading it, and everybody that they buysed a copy, I
always try to at least send them a text message,
reach out to them because I understand it's an investment
that you made in yourself, and a lot of times
we don't understand how beneficial that is for us until
we actually do it. So I appreciate the people that
(38:04):
took a chance and actually went for it.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, and also cheers to a good season upcoming season
for Rollo and Woods basketball. It's gonna it's gonna be
great now, positives will be great. That's been a great season.
We're looking forward to that for you guys. And of
course the new season our podcast too. We're here on
jail j Media. Of course I'm James Lo see you on.
Founder of jail jmdia and also a coach in Cerveral Areas.
(38:30):
Devren Paul is also a coach also and other than
just basketball coaching. Where can they find you? If they
want to reach out to you, can they find yes?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
If First of all, if you want to buy a book,
you can purchase the book online at devyn d e
v r i n n dot com. So you go
to that link. There's different options. If you want to
get the physical copy by itself, you can do that.
You can also get a digital workbook that goes with
the book that you can use to work through it
because just like said, there's a lot of content within
(39:02):
the book, so you could use it almost like a
personal coaching session for yourself and you could work through it,
come back to it, digest it when you feel like it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I also have the audio.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Book as well, so if you are more of a
listener and you want to hear it, you can also
purchase that online as well if you want all three.
I have the trio, so you can also get the
trio as well. So I think that that's the number
one seller right now, is the trio. Where you get
the physical copy, you get the digital workbook, and you
get the audiobook as well. So I'm going to encourage
(39:33):
people to take that next step for yourself. You know,
it's not about the book, and I talk about this
a lot in the book. It's not about me, you know.
I think a lot of people they think about, oh well,
let me go get this book because the DP. But like,
it's not about me. It's really about you becoming the
best version of yourself. And sometimes we don't know where
to start, which is okay, It's okay. You know when
(39:54):
it comes down to investing in yourself. You can hear
that on social media a lot, but how do you
do those things and how does it take place? And
I believe especially as a basketball coach, it starts with
the fundamentals. You gotta start with the fundamentals. So these
seven skill sets, they're literally the fundamentals of personal development
in order.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
For you to level up, elevate your.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Game as an individual, and start to attract those opportunities
that you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's all possible, folks, it really is. It's all possible,
and we will see you next time.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Thanks for having me.
Popular Podcasts
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Model Wars
On the surface, the modeling industry in the 80s was about parties and pretty clothes, but underneath the flash, there were drugs, sex, and violence. And Paul Fisher, a former straight-A student from the San Fernando Valley, rose to prominence amidst the turmoil. After a chance encounter with an alleged mobster, Paul suddenly found himself with a million dollars in funding and the chance to start a modeling agency in New York City. The city was then embroiled in a “model war” between industry titans Eileen Ford and John Casablancas, and Paul tried to make his mark. But even as Paul thrived in the party-heavy culture of the time, burning cash like a furnace, he came face to face with the darkest forces in the industry. As his shady backers put the screws to him, Paul faced down deadly consequences, trying to make a star while saving his soul.