November 10, 2025 • 48 mins
In this interview, Phoenix Pagliacci joins The Cool Table to talk about growing up in Scarborough, embracing her R&B roots, and the journey behind her new album R&B Diaries. She shares the stories that shaped the project and what it means to be vulnerable through her music.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The old Man.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
So hey everyone, this is Noo. It's your boy, Funky,
the coolest teen rapper online.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up? It's me Alfi. You're listening to the Cool
Table with a.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Listening to You're listening to the Cool Table.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're listening to the Cool Table. And I'm not sure
if you know this, but right now you're in the
cut with my man Adri Smile.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome to the Cool Table.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
My name is Adri Smiley aka Championscribe. Now in the cut,
we challenge our guests to finish at tub of ice
cream before the end of the conversation. If you want
to listen live, you can do that every single Wednesday
at leven am Eastern twelve eighty am in Torontomeradio dot
ca A online. We have a friend of the show
joining us for the first time, Phoenix Pacoliachi. Welcome, mouthful
(00:51):
eye creamy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Alrighty, were starting off easy.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
The bird who never dies, a clown who never cries.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh my gosh, that's me.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
That is correct. That is correct.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
But before we get into any of that, tell us
about the flavor you chose and what do you think
your chances are of getting this done.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, So.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I chose the tramsu because I don't know how I
hate coffee, but I love this dessert. Wold I know,
don't ask because I couldn't tell you, okay, But the
chances of me getting all the way through, I mean,
it depends. It really depends on how many questions you
got from me. But I know halfway through, okay, halfway
(01:30):
through today.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I think you liking this. We're not liking coffee is
something we call spiritually confused.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But I believe in you. I believe in you.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'm gonna do the work.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm gonna do the work is crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The bird who never dies, clown who never cries, talk
about that, because that's something I feel like we don't
know about you enough in that way in terms of
like the name and what it means.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
But even like that's like your own tagline, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Like, I feel like people should be saying that when
you show up, like you show up in a room,
they should just be reciting that as you're right, So
tell us about that, you know what.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I used to do that the whole tagline.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But then people were like, who's Polyiachi and then I'd
have to explain his whole story. And then most people
like knew what the Phoenix was, but like nobody knows.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
How to spell it, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
So it was just it just made me sad before
I even started my show. So I was just like,
all right, man, I'm Phoenix here. Yeah, you know, it
just really condensed.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, explaining myself off top is not not the way
to know, right, Like I'm.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Giving you thesis and you showed up for music, but
you're right, like it's catchy, it's cute. I'm a theater kid,
so you know, like opera's musicals plays on the time
of my jam. So Polliacchi is a really dope opera
that I felt resonated with me. And you know, being
like an Italian word for clown. Clown is an entertainer,
someone who makes you happy no matter what they're feeling.
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And I think that's very much the artist's existence.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
There's there's meaning behind it. And I think even if
you don't know polyachi is like breaking it down, it
can still connect with someone. So that's why I like
it as well. And then I think there's such a
like it's almost more than music in a sense, like
it just takes like the artist as a whole in
terms of like a performer behind it. So listen, I'm
here for You'll hear me saying that whenever you show.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Up, I'll pay you to follow me around.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, we'll pay it forward. Now I want to talk
about this great city, Scarborough.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I see you.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's crazy, we didn't plan this, but I try to
ask you about Scarborough. I feel like this is almost
coming a Scarborough show in a sense like I feel
like the Cool Table is like a Scarborough honorary show.
If you make it out of Scarborough, you got to
come visit us talk about how Scarborough informed your art,
because I feel like Scarborough is a very rich arts community,
but it is very much like you can't stay there.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Very interesting. So I grew up in Scarborough. All I
ever knew of Toronto was Scarborough essentially, and East York
shout out East Shork really dope libraries and parks and stuff.
So as an outdoor touch grass kid, I was out
there a lot. But Scarborough actually has an arts high
school called Wexford.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Wexford, so that's it.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
If you know, you know, and that's where I ended
up going. So growing up in the church, singing a church,
singing with my cousins, and you know, singing at my
mom's friend's weddings and banquets and stuff. That was the
music world until I got to high school and then
I learned more about the performing of music and everyone
that I knew growing up in Scarborough was some kind
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of art, whether it was visual, DJing, dancing, acting. A
lot of famous actors, you know, passed through Wexford, a
lot of famous artists as well. You know, Mike Myers
went to Wexford, Deffey Dobson went to Wexford. So you know,
it's only that I go to Wexford too, right, kidding?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Right, Yeah? Do you think of those two who do next?
Everyone do? Everybody knows that, right, It's just.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Common sense, so you know, but going there it really
helped shape my performance piece because the art was always
something I really love to do. How I did it is.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
What came about when I was at Wexford in Scarborough.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, I think Scarborough Intern's relationships to the arts is
so interesting because you're right, it does feel like everyone
is in the arts in some way in Scarborough. Almost
low key, Like I think about dude I likes to
play ball with who showed me forty beats on their
computer And I said, since when do you make beats?
It's like, you know, it's like, oh, you didn't make
(05:47):
the team this year, next this, next year, you're a rapper.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yep, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Literally it's the ball to wrap pipeline.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah out of Scarborough. Yeah, it's a thing. Scarborough is
the og of the ball to wrap.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So it's like it's it's such a different I guess world,
because I don't think people think of it like that.
Like I think even people who are in the arts,
it feels like almost like I'm doing this art thing
as like a side quest, but I have to go
outside and like be a scar Barian, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But I think we definitely have some of the best,
like some of the best.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And I said this at a party last week, best
Borough in Toronto, Like it's not even and yeah, naughty,
not even a question. You talked about growing up in
the church. I grew up in the church too. I'm
a pk okay, and I don't like the reaction. That's
like the reaction, No, okay, this dependsly you asked, we
get a bad rap, But I'm a PK. So I
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really grew up with gospel like before any other kind
of music. And so now when I listen to music,
I kind of see how that informed how I look
at music completely, because everything is all like, you know,
almost one genre to me, like I don't, I don't
separate in my head of like this is this kind
of music. It's better than this kind of music. You know,
It's all has its place. Talk about how growing up
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in the church and performing in the church kind of
informed what you do now, because I feel like that
is almost like college before college when it comes to
being a musician.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
All the greats in the soul R and B, you know,
anyone who's played around with those genres funk, blues, jazz
has some kind of starting gospel. And growing up in
the church, that was only that was all you were
hearing at home, that was all that was coming in
the house, right, And when you listen to the intonations
(07:37):
and the deliveries and all the musical technicalities of music,
everything starts from a deeper connection to the music, you know,
the way that you connect to whatever religious beliefs you
might hold. It's the same relationship with an artist and
their instruments, whether it's their vocals or their saxophone, whatever
it is. So it's really important. What I learned is
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connection to the music, connection to the lyrics, connection to
the instrumentation, and actually feeling like whenever you are singing
this music, it's something you can.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Share, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And I think the warmth of it is the biggest thing,
because you can't have music in the church that doesn't
have anymore like they're taking you off the drum set,
they're taking the mic from you, like.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You can't go up there when music tymper vibes like
it's just not you know a thing.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
So when I think about, you know, what you're doing
an R and B diary is like even the song
like a little bit which is absolutely hilarious. Like I
was listening to song the other day and my friend
called me and I sang the song to her and
I said, this is what I was listening to before
you called me. She said, I'm sorry to ruin the vibe.
I'm sorry to kill the vibe right now. But even so,
like that has like, you know, a soul to it,
(08:46):
So it's like you almost can't make music without that.
Is that conscious for you now? Where that's just like
part of how you do things?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Okay, somebody pointed out to me like one time, but
I'm taking credit because I don't remember who it was,
but they said, gospel is basically just.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
R and B except you're singing about one dude fack.
You know, So when do you think about it that way?
The same emotions, the same relationship, still loves something. It's
still a love song.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
So that was like an easy hop skip jump over,
you know, like over to R and B and it's
still the same. Like most of the great musicians at play,
if they don't play around the city, they play around
the world.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
They all grew up in the church, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So those chords they're playing things like, we know, we
know that's some John pak we know that's some haze
kaya you t from friend.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
We know we know you know.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
So my it's not a it's not a too far
concept that that's just gospel with a little bit more
sheld move.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's the first John p Key reference on this podcast.
You're making cool table history with that one that Donna
mcclarckin song stand Yes was one of my hop songs
a couple of years ago, and then he had the
other one.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Forgot the name of that.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Another song by him was my number one played song,
and the number two song was a song by four Bats.
Anyone who saw my top five songs was just like,
either you only knew the four Bats song or you
only the dynamic clicking song in the middle.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And if you knew you both, you were like, Yeah,
I see you. Amazing, I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
We got a John p Key reference here ten minutes
in amazing you you were in this group with your
with your mom. I can't, I can't believe this is
really a thing. Tell us about that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Okay, So shout outs to ever got this information, because
now every interview they.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Asked me about this. We need to know, we need
to know, all.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Right, I'll tell you the history. So I'm of Jamaican descent.
Full yes, I didn't know if we could. You know,
I don't want you to get shut down because they.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Don't know what silent, silent, silent.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
So grew up singing folks songs. My mom is really
really proud of where she comes from. My heritage apparently
Paul Bogel is like my great great uncle. My bloodline
is with Nannie of the Maroons, so very connected to
the culture in the country and the blood and the blood.
(11:19):
So we learned as kids, myself, my cousins who include
Aquila and Leila Day.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
We were all in these.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Frocks that my grandma made us that look like picnic tablecloth.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
But hey, the culture, right, it's different. It's not Western.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
It's very yeah, like you're going to the market on
a Sunday morning, and we had like the headskirts to match. Honestly,
shout out to my grandmother because she sold those with
like the singer machine by hand.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Like that's real.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Look get back, you know, like there was.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Love in there and learning about our culture. It was
really fun to do. The group was initially called Be
and Gems and then my cousin, my male cousin, joined
the group because we were all girls. And when he joined,
the group became Caribbean Gems and one why you know,
real creative name change. Try out to my mom. And
(12:18):
we would actually perform at like banquets, weddings, like family events,
like we were.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Kind of like a big deal. I look back, like
we had an agent.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I don't know what happened with the money that we
did or did not make. Never saw a penny that's
on some Joe Jackson type, But it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Was definitely a good opportunity to learn those songs.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
It really brought our family together, and me and my
cousins we laugh about it to this day, like it's
just an experience that some kids can't say they've had.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So I'm actually glad you brought it up.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It's something that happened, and it definitely was part of
my musical history.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So that is a factual sentence, and it's something that
happened that is part of the musical history that was
like it's not positive or negative. There's something that happened.
And I can imagine that you were vall and told
like like there were several events that you did not
know were happening. He said Friday, Okay, Friday, be there.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
A volleyball game? No, oh, it's a banquet.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I love having people who grew up in the church
on this podcast because it's almost like you have to
fight for the right to do this like this.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You know, they don't take it for granted. In the
same way.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No, I remember when I when I used to play
ball for those nice Scarborough Blues days, I thought I
would never get to play ball because I was I
grew up seven day Adventist, So you.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Know, Saturday, it's a Saturd Day. It's a Saturd Day.
It's all my friends. You want to churn on Sunday?
I said, it is weird.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I was like, you guys are whack. I was
like Dumbo on the wrong day in church.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Wrong and you know, you know, seven days, all day,
all day, like you know, you better bring you better
bring a snack or hope they got it for you.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I hope they have the lunch at Yes, I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
There thinking I'm never gonna get to play ball because
the tournaments are on Saturdays and my dad's pastor, I'm
at church. So when I got to play ball, I
was pray for times like this to try like this.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
So hold on, you were playing church, you were playing
ball on the.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Sabbath allegedly, Yes, yes, but it is like that thing
of like you know, you're you play and you do
this art thing in church, but to do it outside
of church is a whole different ball game.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
How much time you got.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
But tell us about that because I think like, now
you've been doing this for so long, it's just we
see you as this. But there must have been a
time when it was like, okay, I'm doing this over
here now, like I gotta really step And then you
kind of did that twice, going from like doing a
lot of rap to R and B. We'll talk about
that later, but like talk about that transition of you know,
I'm performing in the church with the gems and why
(15:11):
to do what.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You're doing now.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
None of that would have happened if I never moved out.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I feel like as I stayed physically in the home
with my very religious parents, my relationship, like my spiritual
relationship was like actually kind of hindered because even if.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
We both were like, hey we both love this.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Him, let me play it like this, you know, there
might be a situation where it was like no, no, no,
that's too like ruckous. You know, you need to be
more reverent like I want to do, you know, like
have some have some respect for the Lord. So it
was like very It wasn't like a push pull like
belief no belief. It was like this is how I believe,
(16:00):
this is how I believe, right, But shout out to
my mom.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Now she's actually pretty supportive. I guess, like because I'm.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Like doing well, you know, it has happen, like mom,
you know, like she really did get it out of
the maud all right, we wait we rocking?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
But she, you know, she grew up in a very
Christian household. She actually like bounced around denominations, so like
we're Baptist for a minute, then like you know, then
we went to SDA. But she I find like when
she became the first female elder of the church, she
felt like, oh, this is progressed, Like you know, like
(16:36):
we're breaking through because I was the kid who's like
I'm wearing my jewelry and my like makeup and my head. Yes,
I was so when she became first, like you know,
there was like a whole like what does that mean
for me? Like do I not have to give up
my artistry? Because now everybody knows my mom is like
you know, so after moving out, I was.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Able to really explore music across.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Genres and really understand who I I wanted to be
as an artist. And I felt like because there weren't
a lot of people at my church who could sing
like as well as me like humbly thank you Llyd
for the gifts, but there weren't a lot on my level.
So whenever they did need somebody or they wanted somebody
to start the choir or whatever, like I was that girl.
(17:18):
But then as church progressed and you know, certain beliefs
that they held didn't mesh with mine and I left,
you know, pro outa Gulson or whatever, they kind of realized, oh, okay,
well maybe there are different ways to do this church thing.
So now I don't know about your sc urch because
I went to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I don't know if you say that'd be you can beep.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It out of it, just like a location you don't
want them.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
To find you or another.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
But I went in Philadelphia and they weren't allowed drums
when I was growing up, And then I went back
a few like months ago, and now they got drums,
and I was like, so when I wanted drums, it
was a.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Whole thing, right, you know, like a lot of churches
progress because like my parents were SDA for a long
time and they just like changed the church to non
denominational on their own and this went on Sundays. So
you said, people progress you can see sometimes. And the
thing is, this is like when you know things one way,
just in life, it's your nervous system isn't ready for
(18:19):
the change.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's like if you could.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Know it's right in your head, but it feels so
uncomfortable that you're just like what it shouldn't feel like
it does that. My mom talks about when she was
growing up, very very Christian. She was one of those
like skirt wearing girls, like all through high.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
School, the long, long skirt, the long long skirt, yeah,
like through the snow.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Not the cute one. Now they're trying to, you know,
freak out.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
The long the long jean skirt with no structure, like
or too much structure should I say? And she said
she bought her first pair of parents when she was seventeen,
and whenever she tells me that, I'm always like, that
is such a different life that I've lived. So when
she used to say, like, don't do things this way,
I always think back to that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I'm like, it took you so.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Long to like kind of break out of what that is,
you know, so it's not natural for you to just
kind of grow and grow and grow all the time.
So I totally understand that any pains no real real life.
Listen all all the SDA, all the Baptists in the chat,
please leave us a comment on YouTube. This is for
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all all the church kids who are outside backsided.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Hey, what's that song Terrris Martin gotten out?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Now call the new one?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah with any samples? Take take six?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Question is yeah, and he's like, this is from my kids,
grew up in the church, and it's not.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
A church album, but it's for us.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I was like, snatch, you think.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
When I claim out on here, same deal? It's like, yep,
I think. I think we end up sing Sunkirk Frank
song on the end, and I gotta clip. We had
a whole little Yeah, we had a whole little breakoff.
Let's talk about the album B Diaries before we even
get into that. You started your set at your release
party with this charade. And I told you this already before.
(20:09):
But I was in the back singing like Stevie Wonder
and if people beside me they did not know what
song this was, they were looking like I was crazy.
I was.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like, I'm telling you, I was there with you talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That song, and I guess, just like the album as
a whole, because that's one of my favorite D'Angelo songs.
The album was obviously a huge album for me, but
I feel like starting your set with that or really
set the tone. And obviously everything else was amazing, but
you really set the tone with that one. So I
was a great choice to talk about that.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Oh yeah, man, Look, this is the first time I
actually like cried.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
About him not being here anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Okay, we can fix that in post. Just make me
look real brolic, you know, like I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I have two next for no reason, like muscle doesn't
stop the cry.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Oh man, no, I think I needed that. But I
I'm a writer first and foremost. If your voice is
not it, if the beat is not it, but the
lyrics hit, I could get with that ish, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So it's like, if.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
You're saying something that's going to connect with me. The
fact that he has the voice he has to deliver
what he's saying, and the fact that he chooses the
music that he chooses.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
He's three for three.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Like I clearly don't play basketball, but he's three for three,
you know, And so that, hmm, that legacy that he
has had is so consistent and so effortless. But when
he dropped Black Messiah, first of all, I have that
on CD. Shout out to my friend Priscilla Wow. So
(22:16):
in this this album was around the time where Black
Lives Matter was really getting its roots and where things
were happening around the world that everybody was so sick
and tired of it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yes, it was a year.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Where people said, you know what, We're not going to
do this anymore, Like we're we're speaking out or standing
up or hitting the streets.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
We're doing what needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
We're defining anti black racism, which we've known for a
long time has existed, but now we're actually allowed.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
To say that it's a thing. Yes, and then here
comes D'Angelo making literally the music of the time at
the right time, perfect timing.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I talked about it with Shad we have we have
something dropping where we talked about Dangler for like to
Homie Living Legend, and I talked about how when Black
Masside came out, I was still bumping Voodoo like it
just came out, like Voodoo was already platinum on my
whatever MPTY at the time.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Just spootify rap.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, and when Black Massie came out the first single,
really Love, I was kind.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Of like, eh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And then when I heard the album as a whole,
and even hearing it now, like more than ten years later,
it's like it sounds even better than it did at
the time. And then the messages, it's like we needed
him for that, like he was a person to deliver
all those messages. So yeah, when you had the Shrade,
that was a huge one. That my favorite songs the prayer,
(23:40):
Love Love Love, the Prayer, And I feel like there's
there's a kind of a soul to his music that
I don't I don't think I has ever really been replicated.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, it hasn't. I literally sat there and I thought,
who could be the next, who could possibly touch, who
could come close to And there's nobody the way, even
if when you watch his peers talk about him, there's
nobody on his level, and the people around him are
not on anyone else's level either. They're all up here
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talking about this guy who's up here.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
That's the other part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's like just a talent thing, like I respect, Yeah,
like as a star, there's people who are bigger stars
than him like that. That's for sure, even people in
this whole Quarians who were bigger stars, but in terms
of the talent as a musician, he was up here.
And I watched this video earlier where Torria was talking
about the making of Voodoo and we had like a
(24:35):
little talk to me and chat about how Untitled kind
of ruined his career. And he talks about how D'Angelo
after Brown Sugar like wanted to quit making music because
he was like, I can't even go and get some
cigarettes without everyone swarming me. And you see a lot
of artists have this kind of push and pull with
fame of like is it worth it?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I mean here for the music.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And basically D'Angelo said, you know, even if I wasn't
didn't get famous, I would actually still be doing music. Yes,
I would still be trying to get some keys together.
I would still be fooling around. And that's what Voodoo became.
And you see like an artist who put the music
first in such a way that we don't usually see that,
and like and effort to turn into what it turned into.
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That's what makes it beautiful. It's like it was this
huge hit. It kind of blew him up, but it
was he came in being like, no, this is for
the music. I'm not trying to make a hit song.
I'm not trying to do this. I want the music
to be kind of full, and it really was.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I missed those times when artists could just do the
music because of the music and not because of the numbers,
because nothing, nothing matters more to me than the music.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I think those times actually exist more and like not
to gas you this because you're here, but I feel
like R and B Diaries is a version of that. Honestly,
I do really feel that way, and I feel like
we're in this era where that actually is more the case.
But you see more of the other things, so you
might have you might be like, but this person has
this many streams because we're an era now where you
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can like kind of blow up off your music being good,
and you see that with someone like Djon, who the
album is being Fired was okay, we like Djon now,
you know, we're MKG the same thing, like the album's fire.
We like MKG now. So I think we're in an
era where there actually is more of that, where you
may not become Sabrina Carpenter, you know, but you're gonna
like get a group of fans because the body of
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work is so strong. And so I'm really happy that
you did that with this album, because I think you
have the talent to have done a bunch of different things.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You could have made a deathn these child's records, you.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Know what I mean, Like you really call me back,
like you know, but I think the album, the EP
that you did make, I'm really happy that you made it.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Monday Jam still Know still my favorite.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I was talking abou Trusts about it and he goes,
when I heard that song, I was like, do I
gotta talk to you?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It's something going on.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And whel I have this problem.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
My best songwritings are the ones about unhealthy relationships and
I am in the best most healthy relationship of my life,
like trust and.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Love you boo, you know my heart.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
But when I sit down to write, I'm like this,
let me tell you, like everything is just like where
is this coming from? And then those are the songs
everyone's like, girl, I love that song about the breakup
that you had.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Now your heart got broken and stopped out and he
was crying for eight years straight. That's a bop.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Love it due to worry that I don't I don't
know what that is because the pain that I feel
from hearing Monday Jam, Oh no, like.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, like I love it. I'm here, like can like
I become Fantasia Burrino.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Like what that is?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
That is high praise and like Fantasia girl, you you
were the goal really so.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But I think there's like it's almost like that that
emotion is like flowing out of you. You know, it's
like you know how well maybe don't know. But filmmakers
they always say like show, don't tell of like, don't
do too much writing, don't do too much dialogue, show
what it is. This feels like the music version of that,
where you're not overwriting. It's just like whatever the emotion is.
It's just like coming out periods to talk about what
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it felt in that kind of jam session, because I
can actual you hearing you afterwards and being like whoa,
but do you remember what it felt like in the moment,
like you actually like, you know, recording that singing that
you want to know.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Something crazy about Monday Jam Specifically, it's called Monday Jam
because literally my friend Felix mos Popa is amazing producer
and musician and everything. He was like, hey man, you
want to get together, like you're busy Monday, you want
to come through and just like see what happens.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'm like, yeah, dope, we got together.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
He started playing something, I started singing over it, and
then we were like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I think that's cool. Think that's a song.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
So you listen to the demo and you're like how
Like it's very similar melodically, But then you're like, how
did this become all of this? Because the harmonies and
stuff are all in my head right until I hit
the studio and then be like lay it all down.
So literally, that was like the most effortless one I
think out of all of them.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Wow. Yeah the first one that you did too.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
That was the first one for off of the album.
But I don't remember the set list for the show,
but I think that one was was more towards the end.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, you did towards the end because we were like
do we.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Want to do that right after the charade? Like do
we just want people to be sad off?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Rip right?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
You give them a chance? And then yeah, so we did
kind of play around with the set.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Thank god, I would I would to text on the
wrong person the right thing, like you saved the life,
and that life was mine, so I really appreciate that.
But I was looking at some old videos of you.
Seeing old videos of you is honestly like a complete trip,
like it's you got for.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The internet, I guess, so like it's it's you. But
I'm like, is it you know what I mean? Sadly
I do.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Sadly I do.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And of course a ton of videos of you rapping.
I saw a video where you and DJA where DJA
had like long hair. I was like, this is a
throwback of all throwbacks.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Did you know we used to be in a group.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Well, I know now, but I did not know until
I was doing some research. I was like, I did
not know that.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, No, there are a lot of like just like
well that was one that was the album like a
little sleeper album, you know, with Dja a Harmony and myself.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's heavy Wraps.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
So thats funny enough.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
That video is in a museum right now at Young
and Dundas.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
This a museum, yeah thing, It's called Friar Music Museum
or something. They have a bunch of music videos like
on loop in this area.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I was just literally walking in and I was like,
wait a minute, that's me, Like it was a whole moment.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Wow, pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
That must have been crazy to see.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
It was absolutely insane for me too.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, for me too.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
We were all thoroughly.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yes, yes, and And the thing is, at the time,
no one felt crazy about it. We all thought we
killed it. Like seeing all videos of myself, I'm like,
I'm like, you look so hungry. Yeah, Like that's what
I think when I see all visit myself. But like
I always think about someone coming into Phoenix like now,
like if Army Diary is the first of hearing of her,
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like this is your first, this is your entry, Like,
talk about the transition from where you were as a
rapper to this now, because for me it makes sense.
I've always thought of you as like the Laura and
Hill escorts, like you could really bar somebody up, but
you can really step into R and B as if
you do that for real. But I again, this album
is such an R and B album through and through
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where someone could hear this first time and be like,
let's go rash for real. Yeah, So talk about that
transition of making this project because you are again in
yourself to new people who are not even knowing this
kind of rap side of you.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, that is a great comment.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's technically it wasn't like a question because you're giving
me a direction. You're telling me to tell you. So
that was a great direction. The the the entry point
for me into hip hop m HM was through this
artist from Toronto named res Rata. There is a DJ
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slash engineer that I used to go to in Scarboro,
DJ Merciless.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I was in.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
On res Rata's rap session one time at Merciless Place now,
just there listening and like being like, oh, this is
how people wrap and you know, like okay, wonderful.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
And then and he was rapping over wordplay by try
called quests and he was he had space for like
a verse and he's like I can't really think of anything,
and I was like, okay, like can I try something?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
And he let me try. That was my That was
my first time rapping like in public on a record.
He let me try, and I have that song. I
think it might actually be on my band camp under
the feature presentation album.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, first time rapping on a record. And then from
then everyone was like, yo, res who's that girl who
rapped on your record?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
And then just words spread that I was rapping. That
was it, and then I started being like, Okay, I
guess I can do this this duality thing. And so
going going back and forth has always been really fun
and really great. Like, you know, Lauren's my goat, So
anytime somebody says anything about her, I'm just like, because
that's such like big shoes.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
And I sent someone your EP and that's that's what
they messaged me back. They said, she said, oh she
sounds like Lauren and Jasmine Sullivan.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I said, That's that's all you need to know. That's
all you need to know. Anyways, continue to continue.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's crazy, man, I'm looking up Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
But yeah, it's just like going back and forth has
been something that I've kind of No one's ever told
me that I'm bad at it. There was one person
who told me I was bad at it, but we're
not going to name names.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I hope they're doing great. Yeah, you know, Love and
Light Skins.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
But you know, ever since, because there was such an
avoid of female rappers and so when I stepped on
the scene, people were like, oh, like it's possible. And
there's also Eternia, Like you know, Eternia was it for
female rappers.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
So literally I stepped.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Out the booth Merciers, who was like, you got to
meet someone, you got to meet someone, and then he
made an arrangement and I came back another time and
met Eternia. Merciless was also Eternia's producer as well as
Tara Chase.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
You were in the mix off.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Rep didn't even know.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So I got acquainted really fast. I did my research
and my homework.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I started studying up on the culture as a whole,
and by the time I got to that was like
just first year university, second year university.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I was part of the Urban Hip Hop Union.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I was like doing things at school too, and it
was just, you know, something that has grown. But I
started out being a sad kid, so R and B
was like my whole thing, right, So yeah, I think
R and B Diaries was just me coming back into
myself and being like, hey, girl, you like to write
sad songs.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
You should do that.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I think there's also like a freedom when you can
do both of doing more army, because people I know
who do both, like men and women. It's like when
you wrap, you almost wrap us certain way, and then
when you write R and me you write a certain way,
and it almost takes like a kind of a step
back to be like, I can kind of make these
R and B songs in a different way. I don't
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have to just choose which way, because that's something I
feel like going back to Lauren, Lauren did a great
job of on the second album, is like, just because
this is this topic doesn't have to make it a
rap song. You know, this could be this topic and
it could be an R and B song and then
vice versa. And so I think this is what you
have in R and B diaries where back to a
(36:30):
little bit, a little bit is a rap song, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Like smoke could be a rap song, okay, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So it's like you take these topics that are usually
hip hop more topics and themes and you're like, now
let's smooth it out a little bit. So I feel
like you kind of found that balance on this one.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Thank you so much for that, because honestly, I have
had this conversation with people and as you started off,
talked about genres really being like the walls we put
up right, Like, just because I use a guitar doesn't
mean it's rock and roll, and so with R and
B diary, these people are like, oh, you're not really
wrapping on this. I'm like, hmmm, I don't think you heard.
You know. I'm glad you caught that, and it like
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makes me feel hopeful that others will, the.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Real ones know, the real ones know.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Talk about the visual album, because I think that's something
you very very like were intentional about. If, like I
want missed the visual album like that was like, I think,
very most important to you of any of this.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So talk about that.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Oh my gosh, that ends the cake at the release priding,
Like the music is cool, but like, did you see
the cake?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Also? Did you see the visual.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I have a video cutting the cake. You're cutting the
cake with pride, like you will not be the happy
at your wedding cuting the cake.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
You will be with a cake in your life.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Absolutely hands down. If you weren't there, you missed out.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
There will be no more joy ever again, I man,
what are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Sorry? I got distracked by the cake.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
The visual album, the visual album. This cake is serious.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
No, like sweets and like you put sweet in running,
I was aboud been doing as well.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Actually, I just want it for the record, to let
you know.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Let's holl the camera, you've you've made it basically almost
to the end.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
I got the soup left, just trying to be like,
you know, not sip it on on camera, you know,
trying to be more Demi Moore stuff. But I want
to be a director. I want that under my belt.
I want to have that as another title. I'm very
big on like putting like I'm a woman, I identify
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as female.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I'm big on putting females in spaces that they are
not often seen.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
And all of my goats are like my homies who
do this film stuff. Shout us to the homies Cat
shout outs to Royal Del's Soul, shout outs to Meek's
Meeks mclin Like. These people are visionaries and they're in
my circle of friends, and they're constantly just working with me.
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Even though they have the the like education, like they've
gone to the school, they've taken the courses, they know
the technical terms, they still let me be part of
the direction and part of the vision. And so building
with them and learning with them, I get to bring
things to life. My first official directed video was Trust's
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Squaw Squad video with Tamir Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
That was that was That's a debut, that was me baby.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
So you know, like getting a chance to actually put
the story into place, and I think that to be actually,
to be quite fair, Meeks did. Meeks did a great
job of arranging my vision. And so that's why the
visual album is in a different order from the EP
when you listen, because visually and sonically they tell two
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different stories, which I love. But I'm so glad that
I got a chance to to be part of that
direction and to bring about this life.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Shout out to Chromatic Studios.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
In Scarborough, Studios, one location, five videos, one day, eight
hours of bajillion people that I love and thank Please
please check it out. We don't do visual albums anymore.
We live in the ADHD generation where people's attention spans
are so minute, and if you could just take fifteen
minutes of your day and sit with this masterpiece and
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appreciate the story being told, I know you won't regret it.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Now. I appreciate that you did that visual album.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I feel like I want more of them because that's
just a way to.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Actually consume the project.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yes, you know, it's like it's a different experience and
just listening to it. So to me, I think absolutely
worth it for the visual album. Let's talk about Smoke
before we get to the real serious questions. Okay, Smoke
is one of those records that it almost feels like
this is like gangster Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I mean you saw the video, yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You know, but even sonically, like like I listened to
the song again and I said, why is this like
dugged out Phoenix? You know this is not civilian Phoenix.
A talk about that record, because I feel like that
record almost as soon as this starts, it has that
energy from the production and then you come on and
match it.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Okay, so a little bit of easter egg activity. There
were two different Mary J. Blige channelings on this album.
There is over again blonde Bob Mary we call her,
and then there is not gonna cry Mary from waiting
to exhale. So Smoke is all waiting to exhale. That's
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Angela with the with the lip match lighting up.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
That dude's clothes.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
That is violence. That's all I know.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I'm a scorpio. Like to be completely fair, it's not
my fault.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
It makes yeah right a whole new world.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
But that's all literally all I know.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
I just know, you know, direct communication right and saying
how you feel, saying it with your chest and smoke
is at the end because by the time you get
to that part of the relationship, you're really fed up,
you're done.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
And I think it was.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Just a really cool way to say, don't mess with me,
you don't want to do this, you know, in fewer
or more words, I should say, rather.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I got that you definitely don't want this, smoke, you
don't want to get involved with this.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
That'd be one of my suggestions from the project.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Obviously, Monday jam is like, if you feel like you
want to cry, you know, that's the one. But if
you feel like you want to just like throw some
gang signs up, are you guys someone that you know
you want to tend this to like smoke?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Is that one too? This question? I'm very excited to
see what you say for this one.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Okay, Now, when people get a hundred million dollars, they
get an exotic animal.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Okay, I don't make the rules. This is how it goes.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Michael Jackson with his monkey, Justin Bieber with his monkey,
Mike Tyson with his tiger. So when you get a
hundred million dollars. What animal are you bringing into your life?
Speaker 2 (42:59):
A cappy bad h Chris.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's a first, right, wow, Okay, tell us more about that.
That's the first. You've never heard that one from anyone
on the cool table.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Kapy Baras are the friends of the world.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
There's no animal on earth that has beef with the
kapy Barra, Like have you seen them.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
They chill with the gators, they chill with the geese,
they chill with the otters, they chill with the mooses.
I know moose is singular and plural, but you know,
sounded cooler. But they have no known enemies outside of
just nosey as humans. Right, So it's just like if
I were to chill with anything that wasn't a human being,
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and just like all they chill, eat avocados and like
roll around in the pool or whatever they do.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I don't know, they just be so cool. You know.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Kapy bar is unaffiliated. No, no beef there not taking sides. No,
they're the j Cole And.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Again they're the Switzerland.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
They are the j Cole you know of the of
the animal Kingdom. And I got to see one in
person for the first time when I went to Brazil
in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
And how are the vibes just so chill?
Speaker 2 (44:11):
He's just walking around and I'm like, hey, mister kapy bar,
you want an avocado? And he was just like, hey, girl,
you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Sure exactly how we sounded.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
It was really chill.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Internet detectives. Let's let's confirm this. Do they have any
known enemies?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
That feels correct? But the Internet detectives, you guys, let
us know.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I feel like, okay, let us know. But also like
people who don't like.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Cappy bars might be one thing, but like, do the
copy bars have beef with anyone else?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Other animals? Human humans don't count. We got beef with everybody?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh true?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah we got We got beef with the
universe as a whole.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
We do not count. Yeah, let's see the ice cream.
Let's show the camera one more time. We made it
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They have vegan flavors as well, so very inclusive for everybody.
This this is one that we always talk about on
the radio show. We have the segment called Wednesday Wisdoms.
A motivational quote we're seeing either you remind yourself of
or the people around you. So what's that quote for
you that's always either like running through your head or
you're always.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Repeating O.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Dark Knight feeling?
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Oh yeah, are you going where I think you're going
with this?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yourtulf become a villain?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
I think that is very very important to remember that
you'll always be the villain in someone's story. So just
live your life, be the best you that you can be.
And if you heard someone along the way you say
I'm Sawry and you blink, blink, blink and you go
on with your life.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I like that You're you're definitely the villain in someone
else's story.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I think I think that that's huge like for people
to just be okay with that.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
It's a journey.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
I didn't always get there, but then I asked myself,
like what can I do? Woo woo woo, And if
it's nothing, then nothing and.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Also I think, you know, you don't have to be
the villain in your own story, like just because someone
else makes me the villain. Like I had that where
I had a break up and I thought that everyone's
going to take her side. I was like, oh, my
friends are done with me. It's over for me. And
one of my friends had a birthday party and I
was like, you know what, she can go to the party.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Okay, not party custody.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, I said, she got the friends in the breakup,
you know, and and my friends like, no, we want
you to be there, like it's a joint birthday. And
I was like, okay, all show face. But you know,
if I'm all of a sudden heart broken, I'm leaving,
you know.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Anyway, when the jam comes on, I'm out of there.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
That would have been too much. But I go to
the party. Everything's fine, of course, no drama. She's not
even there. They're like, yeah, we didn't invite her. Why
would we invite her?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
And because she had made me the villain, I just
took it as everyone had made me the villain, and
I've made myself the villain. I said, Okay, I'm the
villain everyone. Now I'm just gonna go with a corner,
and I remember, I'm not speaking to opening for me
because I was like, I don't need to make myself
the villain because they made the villain. I don't have
to retweet it. I could let them hold the villain
status on me and leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
One.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
I'm going to add, which I may start adding to
the intro or the outro. You guys, some much you
think is hot people drink water. True, I feel like
that's a great one that we all need to remember.
Double entendre of course, but.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I'm like, let me steal that bar.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, but hot people drink water, don't forget that. I
don't thank you for joining us, man, It's been a
long time coming. I feel like this is like years
in the making.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
But so many years.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
But I'm happy we did it for this project. Honestly,
I feel like it was only only right, so I
really appreciate it. If you guys haven't heard R and
B Diaries, please go check that out. Nothing I said
was cap Monday jam. If you want to cry, listen,
find me and tweet me and tell me how the
tears were. I promise happy tears only. But I appreciate
you joining us, It has honestly been a pleasure. You
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guys find us on all the interwebs okay, The Cool
Table Live on Instagram, The Cool Table on YouTube, Agrosmiley
dot Com on TikTok And until next time, know yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Know you're worth
The old Man.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
So hey everyone, this is Noo. It's your boy, Funky,
the coolest teen rapper online.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up? It's me Alfi. You're listening to the Cool
Table with a.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Listening to You're listening to the Cool Table.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're listening to the Cool Table. And I'm not sure
if you know this, but right now you're in the
cut with my man Adri Smile.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome to the Cool Table.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
My name is Adri Smiley aka Championscribe. Now in the cut,
we challenge our guests to finish at tub of ice
cream before the end of the conversation. If you want
to listen live, you can do that every single Wednesday
at leven am Eastern twelve eighty am in Torontomeradio dot
ca A online. We have a friend of the show
joining us for the first time, Phoenix Pacoliachi. Welcome, mouthful
(00:51):
eye creamy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Alrighty, were starting off easy.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
The bird who never dies, a clown who never cries.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh my gosh, that's me.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
That is correct. That is correct.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
But before we get into any of that, tell us
about the flavor you chose and what do you think
your chances are of getting this done.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, So.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I chose the tramsu because I don't know how I
hate coffee, but I love this dessert. Wold I know,
don't ask because I couldn't tell you, okay, But the
chances of me getting all the way through, I mean,
it depends. It really depends on how many questions you
got from me. But I know halfway through, okay, halfway
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through today.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I think you liking this. We're not liking coffee is
something we call spiritually confused.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But I believe in you. I believe in you.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'm gonna do the work.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm gonna do the work is crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The bird who never dies, clown who never cries, talk
about that, because that's something I feel like we don't
know about you enough in that way in terms of
like the name and what it means.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
But even like that's like your own tagline, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Like, I feel like people should be saying that when
you show up, like you show up in a room,
they should just be reciting that as you're right, So
tell us about that, you know what.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I used to do that the whole tagline.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But then people were like, who's Polyiachi and then I'd
have to explain his whole story. And then most people
like knew what the Phoenix was, but like nobody knows.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
How to spell it, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
So it was just it just made me sad before
I even started my show. So I was just like,
all right, man, I'm Phoenix here. Yeah, you know, it
just really condensed.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, explaining myself off top is not not the way
to know, right, Like I'm.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Giving you thesis and you showed up for music, but
you're right, like it's catchy, it's cute. I'm a theater kid,
so you know, like opera's musicals plays on the time
of my jam. So Polliacchi is a really dope opera
that I felt resonated with me. And you know, being
like an Italian word for clown. Clown is an entertainer,
someone who makes you happy no matter what they're feeling.
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And I think that's very much the artist's existence.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
There's there's meaning behind it. And I think even if
you don't know polyachi is like breaking it down, it
can still connect with someone. So that's why I like
it as well. And then I think there's such a
like it's almost more than music in a sense, like
it just takes like the artist as a whole in
terms of like a performer behind it. So listen, I'm
here for You'll hear me saying that whenever you show.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Up, I'll pay you to follow me around.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, we'll pay it forward. Now I want to talk
about this great city, Scarborough.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I see you.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's crazy, we didn't plan this, but I try to
ask you about Scarborough. I feel like this is almost
coming a Scarborough show in a sense like I feel
like the Cool Table is like a Scarborough honorary show.
If you make it out of Scarborough, you got to
come visit us talk about how Scarborough informed your art,
because I feel like Scarborough is a very rich arts community,
but it is very much like you can't stay there.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Very interesting. So I grew up in Scarborough. All I
ever knew of Toronto was Scarborough essentially, and East York
shout out East Shork really dope libraries and parks and stuff.
So as an outdoor touch grass kid, I was out
there a lot. But Scarborough actually has an arts high
school called Wexford.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Wexford, so that's it.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
If you know, you know, and that's where I ended
up going. So growing up in the church, singing a church,
singing with my cousins, and you know, singing at my
mom's friend's weddings and banquets and stuff. That was the
music world until I got to high school and then
I learned more about the performing of music and everyone
that I knew growing up in Scarborough was some kind
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of art, whether it was visual, DJing, dancing, acting. A
lot of famous actors, you know, passed through Wexford, a
lot of famous artists as well. You know, Mike Myers
went to Wexford, Deffey Dobson went to Wexford. So you know,
it's only that I go to Wexford too, right, kidding?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Right, Yeah? Do you think of those two who do next?
Everyone do? Everybody knows that, right, It's just.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Common sense, so you know, but going there it really
helped shape my performance piece because the art was always
something I really love to do. How I did it is.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
What came about when I was at Wexford in Scarborough.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, I think Scarborough Intern's relationships to the arts is
so interesting because you're right, it does feel like everyone
is in the arts in some way in Scarborough. Almost
low key, Like I think about dude I likes to
play ball with who showed me forty beats on their
computer And I said, since when do you make beats?
It's like, you know, it's like, oh, you didn't make
(05:47):
the team this year, next this, next year, you're a rapper.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yep, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Literally it's the ball to wrap pipeline.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah out of Scarborough. Yeah, it's a thing. Scarborough is
the og of the ball to wrap.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So it's like it's it's such a different I guess world,
because I don't think people think of it like that.
Like I think even people who are in the arts,
it feels like almost like I'm doing this art thing
as like a side quest, but I have to go
outside and like be a scar Barian, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But I think we definitely have some of the best,
like some of the best.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And I said this at a party last week, best
Borough in Toronto, Like it's not even and yeah, naughty,
not even a question. You talked about growing up in
the church. I grew up in the church too. I'm
a pk okay, and I don't like the reaction. That's
like the reaction, No, okay, this dependsly you asked, we
get a bad rap, But I'm a PK. So I
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really grew up with gospel like before any other kind
of music. And so now when I listen to music,
I kind of see how that informed how I look
at music completely, because everything is all like, you know,
almost one genre to me, like I don't, I don't
separate in my head of like this is this kind
of music. It's better than this kind of music. You know,
It's all has its place. Talk about how growing up
(07:07):
in the church and performing in the church kind of
informed what you do now, because I feel like that
is almost like college before college when it comes to
being a musician.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
All the greats in the soul R and B, you know,
anyone who's played around with those genres funk, blues, jazz
has some kind of starting gospel. And growing up in
the church, that was only that was all you were
hearing at home, that was all that was coming in
the house, right, And when you listen to the intonations
(07:37):
and the deliveries and all the musical technicalities of music,
everything starts from a deeper connection to the music, you know,
the way that you connect to whatever religious beliefs you
might hold. It's the same relationship with an artist and
their instruments, whether it's their vocals or their saxophone, whatever
it is. So it's really important. What I learned is
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connection to the music, connection to the lyrics, connection to
the instrumentation, and actually feeling like whenever you are singing
this music, it's something you can.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Share, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And I think the warmth of it is the biggest thing,
because you can't have music in the church that doesn't
have anymore like they're taking you off the drum set,
they're taking the mic from you, like.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You can't go up there when music tymper vibes like
it's just not you know a thing.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
So when I think about, you know, what you're doing
an R and B diary is like even the song
like a little bit which is absolutely hilarious. Like I
was listening to song the other day and my friend
called me and I sang the song to her and
I said, this is what I was listening to before
you called me. She said, I'm sorry to ruin the vibe.
I'm sorry to kill the vibe right now. But even so,
like that has like, you know, a soul to it,
(08:46):
So it's like you almost can't make music without that.
Is that conscious for you now? Where that's just like
part of how you do things?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Okay, somebody pointed out to me like one time, but
I'm taking credit because I don't remember who it was,
but they said, gospel is basically just.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
R and B except you're singing about one dude fack.
You know, So when do you think about it that way?
The same emotions, the same relationship, still loves something. It's
still a love song.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
So that was like an easy hop skip jump over,
you know, like over to R and B and it's
still the same. Like most of the great musicians at play,
if they don't play around the city, they play around
the world.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
They all grew up in the church, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So those chords they're playing things like, we know, we
know that's some John pak we know that's some haze
kaya you t from friend.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
We know we know you know.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
So my it's not a it's not a too far
concept that that's just gospel with a little bit more
sheld move.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's the first John p Key reference on this podcast.
You're making cool table history with that one that Donna
mcclarckin song stand Yes was one of my hop songs
a couple of years ago, and then he had the
other one.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Forgot the name of that.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Another song by him was my number one played song,
and the number two song was a song by four Bats.
Anyone who saw my top five songs was just like,
either you only knew the four Bats song or you
only the dynamic clicking song in the middle.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And if you knew you both, you were like, Yeah,
I see you. Amazing, I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
We got a John p Key reference here ten minutes
in amazing you you were in this group with your
with your mom. I can't, I can't believe this is
really a thing. Tell us about that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Okay, So shout outs to ever got this information, because
now every interview they.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Asked me about this. We need to know, we need
to know, all.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Right, I'll tell you the history. So I'm of Jamaican descent.
Full yes, I didn't know if we could. You know,
I don't want you to get shut down because they.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Don't know what silent, silent, silent.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
So grew up singing folks songs. My mom is really
really proud of where she comes from. My heritage apparently
Paul Bogel is like my great great uncle. My bloodline
is with Nannie of the Maroons, so very connected to
the culture in the country and the blood and the blood.
(11:19):
So we learned as kids, myself, my cousins who include
Aquila and Leila Day.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
We were all in these.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Frocks that my grandma made us that look like picnic tablecloth.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
But hey, the culture, right, it's different. It's not Western.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
It's very yeah, like you're going to the market on
a Sunday morning, and we had like the headskirts to match. Honestly,
shout out to my grandmother because she sold those with
like the singer machine by hand.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Like that's real.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Look get back, you know, like there was.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Love in there and learning about our culture. It was
really fun to do. The group was initially called Be
and Gems and then my cousin, my male cousin, joined
the group because we were all girls. And when he joined,
the group became Caribbean Gems and one why you know,
real creative name change. Try out to my mom. And
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we would actually perform at like banquets, weddings, like family events,
like we were.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Kind of like a big deal. I look back, like
we had an agent.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I don't know what happened with the money that we
did or did not make. Never saw a penny that's
on some Joe Jackson type, But it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Was definitely a good opportunity to learn those songs.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
It really brought our family together, and me and my
cousins we laugh about it to this day, like it's
just an experience that some kids can't say they've had.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So I'm actually glad you brought it up.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It's something that happened, and it definitely was part of
my musical history.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So that is a factual sentence, and it's something that
happened that is part of the musical history that was
like it's not positive or negative. There's something that happened.
And I can imagine that you were vall and told
like like there were several events that you did not
know were happening. He said Friday, Okay, Friday, be there.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
A volleyball game? No, oh, it's a banquet.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I love having people who grew up in the church
on this podcast because it's almost like you have to
fight for the right to do this like this.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You know, they don't take it for granted. In the
same way.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No, I remember when I when I used to play
ball for those nice Scarborough Blues days, I thought I
would never get to play ball because I was I
grew up seven day Adventist, So you.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Know, Saturday, it's a Saturd Day. It's a Saturd Day.
It's all my friends. You want to churn on Sunday?
I said, it is weird.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I was like, you guys are whack. I was
like Dumbo on the wrong day in church.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Wrong and you know, you know, seven days, all day,
all day, like you know, you better bring you better
bring a snack or hope they got it for you.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I hope they have the lunch at Yes, I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
There thinking I'm never gonna get to play ball because
the tournaments are on Saturdays and my dad's pastor, I'm
at church. So when I got to play ball, I
was pray for times like this to try like this.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
So hold on, you were playing church, you were playing
ball on the.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Sabbath allegedly, Yes, yes, but it is like that thing
of like you know, you're you play and you do
this art thing in church, but to do it outside
of church is a whole different ball game.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
How much time you got.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
But tell us about that because I think like, now
you've been doing this for so long, it's just we
see you as this. But there must have been a
time when it was like, okay, I'm doing this over
here now, like I gotta really step And then you
kind of did that twice, going from like doing a
lot of rap to R and B. We'll talk about
that later, but like talk about that transition of you know,
I'm performing in the church with the gems and why
(15:11):
to do what.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You're doing now.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
None of that would have happened if I never moved out.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I feel like as I stayed physically in the home
with my very religious parents, my relationship, like my spiritual
relationship was like actually kind of hindered because even if.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
We both were like, hey we both love this.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Him, let me play it like this, you know, there
might be a situation where it was like no, no, no,
that's too like ruckous. You know, you need to be
more reverent like I want to do, you know, like
have some have some respect for the Lord. So it
was like very It wasn't like a push pull like
belief no belief. It was like this is how I believe,
(16:00):
this is how I believe, right, But shout out to
my mom.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Now she's actually pretty supportive. I guess, like because I'm.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Like doing well, you know, it has happen, like mom,
you know, like she really did get it out of
the maud all right, we wait we rocking?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
But she, you know, she grew up in a very
Christian household. She actually like bounced around denominations, so like
we're Baptist for a minute, then like you know, then
we went to SDA. But she I find like when
she became the first female elder of the church, she
felt like, oh, this is progressed, Like you know, like
(16:36):
we're breaking through because I was the kid who's like
I'm wearing my jewelry and my like makeup and my head. Yes,
I was so when she became first, like you know,
there was like a whole like what does that mean
for me? Like do I not have to give up
my artistry? Because now everybody knows my mom is like
you know, so after moving out, I was.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Able to really explore music across.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Genres and really understand who I I wanted to be
as an artist. And I felt like because there weren't
a lot of people at my church who could sing
like as well as me like humbly thank you Llyd
for the gifts, but there weren't a lot on my level.
So whenever they did need somebody or they wanted somebody
to start the choir or whatever, like I was that girl.
(17:18):
But then as church progressed and you know, certain beliefs
that they held didn't mesh with mine and I left,
you know, pro outa Gulson or whatever, they kind of realized, oh, okay,
well maybe there are different ways to do this church thing.
So now I don't know about your sc urch because
I went to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I don't know if you say that'd be you can beep.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
It out of it, just like a location you don't
want them.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
To find you or another.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
But I went in Philadelphia and they weren't allowed drums
when I was growing up, And then I went back
a few like months ago, and now they got drums,
and I was like, so when I wanted drums, it
was a.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Whole thing, right, you know, like a lot of churches
progress because like my parents were SDA for a long
time and they just like changed the church to non
denominational on their own and this went on Sundays. So
you said, people progress you can see sometimes. And the
thing is, this is like when you know things one way,
just in life, it's your nervous system isn't ready for
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the change.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's like if you could.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Know it's right in your head, but it feels so
uncomfortable that you're just like what it shouldn't feel like
it does that. My mom talks about when she was
growing up, very very Christian. She was one of those
like skirt wearing girls, like all through high.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
School, the long, long skirt, the long long skirt, yeah,
like through the snow.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Not the cute one. Now they're trying to, you know,
freak out.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
The long the long jean skirt with no structure, like
or too much structure should I say? And she said
she bought her first pair of parents when she was seventeen,
and whenever she tells me that, I'm always like, that
is such a different life that I've lived. So when
she used to say, like, don't do things this way,
I always think back to that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I'm like, it took you so.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Long to like kind of break out of what that is,
you know, so it's not natural for you to just
kind of grow and grow and grow all the time.
So I totally understand that any pains no real real life.
Listen all all the SDA, all the Baptists in the chat,
please leave us a comment on YouTube. This is for
(19:24):
all all the church kids who are outside backsided.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Hey, what's that song Terrris Martin gotten out?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Now call the new one?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah with any samples? Take take six?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Question is yeah, and he's like, this is from my kids,
grew up in the church, and it's not.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
A church album, but it's for us.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I was like, snatch, you think.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
When I claim out on here, same deal? It's like, yep,
I think. I think we end up sing Sunkirk Frank
song on the end, and I gotta clip. We had
a whole little Yeah, we had a whole little breakoff.
Let's talk about the album B Diaries before we even
get into that. You started your set at your release
party with this charade. And I told you this already before.
(20:09):
But I was in the back singing like Stevie Wonder
and if people beside me they did not know what
song this was, they were looking like I was crazy.
I was.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like, I'm telling you, I was there with you talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That song, and I guess, just like the album as
a whole, because that's one of my favorite D'Angelo songs.
The album was obviously a huge album for me, but
I feel like starting your set with that or really
set the tone. And obviously everything else was amazing, but
you really set the tone with that one. So I
was a great choice to talk about that.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Oh yeah, man, Look, this is the first time I
actually like cried.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
About him not being here anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Okay, we can fix that in post. Just make me
look real brolic, you know, like I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I have two next for no reason, like muscle doesn't
stop the cry.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Oh man, no, I think I needed that. But I
I'm a writer first and foremost. If your voice is
not it, if the beat is not it, but the
lyrics hit, I could get with that ish, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So it's like, if.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
You're saying something that's going to connect with me. The
fact that he has the voice he has to deliver
what he's saying, and the fact that he chooses the
music that he chooses.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
He's three for three.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Like I clearly don't play basketball, but he's three for three,
you know, And so that, hmm, that legacy that he
has had is so consistent and so effortless. But when
he dropped Black Messiah, first of all, I have that
on CD. Shout out to my friend Priscilla Wow. So
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in this this album was around the time where Black
Lives Matter was really getting its roots and where things
were happening around the world that everybody was so sick
and tired of it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yes, it was a year.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Where people said, you know what, We're not going to
do this anymore, Like we're we're speaking out or standing
up or hitting the streets.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
We're doing what needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
We're defining anti black racism, which we've known for a
long time has existed, but now we're actually allowed.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
To say that it's a thing. Yes, and then here
comes D'Angelo making literally the music of the time at
the right time, perfect timing.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I talked about it with Shad we have we have
something dropping where we talked about Dangler for like to
Homie Living Legend, and I talked about how when Black
Masside came out, I was still bumping Voodoo like it
just came out, like Voodoo was already platinum on my
whatever MPTY at the time.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Just spootify rap.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, and when Black Massie came out the first single,
really Love, I was kind.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Of like, eh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And then when I heard the album as a whole,
and even hearing it now, like more than ten years later,
it's like it sounds even better than it did at
the time. And then the messages, it's like we needed
him for that, like he was a person to deliver
all those messages. So yeah, when you had the Shrade,
that was a huge one. That my favorite songs the prayer,
(23:40):
Love Love Love, the Prayer, And I feel like there's
there's a kind of a soul to his music that
I don't I don't think I has ever really been replicated.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, it hasn't. I literally sat there and I thought,
who could be the next, who could possibly touch, who
could come close to And there's nobody the way, even
if when you watch his peers talk about him, there's
nobody on his level, and the people around him are
not on anyone else's level either. They're all up here
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talking about this guy who's up here.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
That's the other part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's like just a talent thing, like I respect, Yeah,
like as a star, there's people who are bigger stars
than him like that. That's for sure, even people in
this whole Quarians who were bigger stars, but in terms
of the talent as a musician, he was up here.
And I watched this video earlier where Torria was talking
about the making of Voodoo and we had like a
(24:35):
little talk to me and chat about how Untitled kind
of ruined his career. And he talks about how D'Angelo
after Brown Sugar like wanted to quit making music because
he was like, I can't even go and get some
cigarettes without everyone swarming me. And you see a lot
of artists have this kind of push and pull with
fame of like is it worth it?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I mean here for the music.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And basically D'Angelo said, you know, even if I wasn't
didn't get famous, I would actually still be doing music. Yes,
I would still be trying to get some keys together.
I would still be fooling around. And that's what Voodoo became.
And you see like an artist who put the music
first in such a way that we don't usually see that,
and like and effort to turn into what it turned into.
(25:15):
That's what makes it beautiful. It's like it was this
huge hit. It kind of blew him up, but it
was he came in being like, no, this is for
the music. I'm not trying to make a hit song.
I'm not trying to do this. I want the music
to be kind of full, and it really was.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I missed those times when artists could just do the
music because of the music and not because of the numbers,
because nothing, nothing matters more to me than the music.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I think those times actually exist more and like not
to gas you this because you're here, but I feel
like R and B Diaries is a version of that. Honestly,
I do really feel that way, and I feel like
we're in this era where that actually is more the case.
But you see more of the other things, so you
might have you might be like, but this person has
this many streams because we're an era now where you
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can like kind of blow up off your music being good,
and you see that with someone like Djon, who the
album is being Fired was okay, we like Djon now,
you know, we're MKG the same thing, like the album's fire.
We like MKG now. So I think we're in an
era where there actually is more of that, where you
may not become Sabrina Carpenter, you know, but you're gonna
like get a group of fans because the body of
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work is so strong. And so I'm really happy that
you did that with this album, because I think you
have the talent to have done a bunch of different things.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You could have made a deathn these child's records, you.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Know what I mean, Like you really call me back,
like you know, but I think the album, the EP
that you did make, I'm really happy that you made it.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Monday Jam still Know still my favorite.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I was talking abou Trusts about it and he goes,
when I heard that song, I was like, do I
gotta talk to you?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It's something going on.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And whel I have this problem.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
My best songwritings are the ones about unhealthy relationships and
I am in the best most healthy relationship of my life,
like trust and.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Love you boo, you know my heart.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
But when I sit down to write, I'm like this,
let me tell you, like everything is just like where
is this coming from? And then those are the songs
everyone's like, girl, I love that song about the breakup
that you had.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Now your heart got broken and stopped out and he
was crying for eight years straight. That's a bop.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Love it due to worry that I don't I don't
know what that is because the pain that I feel
from hearing Monday Jam, Oh no, like.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, like I love it. I'm here, like can like
I become Fantasia Burrino.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Like what that is?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
That is high praise and like Fantasia girl, you you
were the goal really so.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But I think there's like it's almost like that that
emotion is like flowing out of you. You know, it's
like you know how well maybe don't know. But filmmakers
they always say like show, don't tell of like, don't
do too much writing, don't do too much dialogue, show
what it is. This feels like the music version of that,
where you're not overwriting. It's just like whatever the emotion is.
It's just like coming out periods to talk about what
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it felt in that kind of jam session, because I
can actual you hearing you afterwards and being like whoa,
but do you remember what it felt like in the moment,
like you actually like, you know, recording that singing that
you want to know.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Something crazy about Monday Jam Specifically, it's called Monday Jam
because literally my friend Felix mos Popa is amazing producer
and musician and everything. He was like, hey man, you
want to get together, like you're busy Monday, you want
to come through and just like see what happens.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'm like, yeah, dope, we got together.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
He started playing something, I started singing over it, and
then we were like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I think that's cool. Think that's a song.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
So you listen to the demo and you're like how
Like it's very similar melodically, But then you're like, how
did this become all of this? Because the harmonies and
stuff are all in my head right until I hit
the studio and then be like lay it all down.
So literally, that was like the most effortless one I
think out of all of them.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Wow. Yeah the first one that you did too.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
That was the first one for off of the album.
But I don't remember the set list for the show,
but I think that one was was more towards the end.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, you did towards the end because we were like
do we.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Want to do that right after the charade? Like do
we just want people to be sad off?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Rip right?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
You give them a chance? And then yeah, so we did
kind of play around with the set.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Thank god, I would I would to text on the
wrong person the right thing, like you saved the life,
and that life was mine, so I really appreciate that.
But I was looking at some old videos of you.
Seeing old videos of you is honestly like a complete trip,
like it's you got for.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The internet, I guess, so like it's it's you. But
I'm like, is it you know what I mean? Sadly
I do.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Sadly I do.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And of course a ton of videos of you rapping.
I saw a video where you and DJA where DJA
had like long hair. I was like, this is a
throwback of all throwbacks.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Did you know we used to be in a group.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Well, I know now, but I did not know until
I was doing some research. I was like, I did
not know that.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, No, there are a lot of like just like
well that was one that was the album like a
little sleeper album, you know, with Dja a Harmony and myself.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's heavy Wraps.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
So thats funny enough.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
That video is in a museum right now at Young
and Dundas.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
This a museum, yeah thing, It's called Friar Music Museum
or something. They have a bunch of music videos like
on loop in this area.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I was just literally walking in and I was like,
wait a minute, that's me, Like it was a whole moment.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Wow, pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
That must have been crazy to see.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
It was absolutely insane for me too.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, for me too.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
We were all thoroughly.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yes, yes, and And the thing is, at the time,
no one felt crazy about it. We all thought we
killed it. Like seeing all videos of myself, I'm like,
I'm like, you look so hungry. Yeah, Like that's what
I think when I see all visit myself. But like
I always think about someone coming into Phoenix like now,
like if Army Diary is the first of hearing of her,
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like this is your first, this is your entry, Like,
talk about the transition from where you were as a
rapper to this now, because for me it makes sense.
I've always thought of you as like the Laura and
Hill escorts, like you could really bar somebody up, but
you can really step into R and B as if
you do that for real. But I again, this album
is such an R and B album through and through
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where someone could hear this first time and be like,
let's go rash for real. Yeah, So talk about that
transition of making this project because you are again in
yourself to new people who are not even knowing this
kind of rap side of you.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, that is a great comment.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's technically it wasn't like a question because you're giving
me a direction. You're telling me to tell you. So
that was a great direction. The the the entry point
for me into hip hop m HM was through this
artist from Toronto named res Rata. There is a DJ
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slash engineer that I used to go to in Scarboro,
DJ Merciless.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I was in.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
On res Rata's rap session one time at Merciless Place now,
just there listening and like being like, oh, this is
how people wrap and you know, like okay, wonderful.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
And then and he was rapping over wordplay by try
called quests and he was he had space for like
a verse and he's like I can't really think of anything,
and I was like, okay, like can I try something?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
And he let me try. That was my That was
my first time rapping like in public on a record.
He let me try, and I have that song. I
think it might actually be on my band camp under
the feature presentation album.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, first time rapping on a record. And then from
then everyone was like, yo, res who's that girl who
rapped on your record?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
And then just words spread that I was rapping. That
was it, and then I started being like, Okay, I
guess I can do this this duality thing. And so
going going back and forth has always been really fun
and really great. Like, you know, Lauren's my goat, So
anytime somebody says anything about her, I'm just like, because
that's such like big shoes.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
And I sent someone your EP and that's that's what
they messaged me back. They said, she said, oh she
sounds like Lauren and Jasmine Sullivan.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I said, That's that's all you need to know. That's
all you need to know. Anyways, continue to continue.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's crazy, man, I'm looking up Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
But yeah, it's just like going back and forth has
been something that I've kind of No one's ever told
me that I'm bad at it. There was one person
who told me I was bad at it, but we're
not going to name names.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I hope they're doing great. Yeah, you know, Love and
Light Skins.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
But you know, ever since, because there was such an
avoid of female rappers and so when I stepped on
the scene, people were like, oh, like it's possible. And
there's also Eternia, Like you know, Eternia was it for
female rappers.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
So literally I stepped.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Out the booth Merciers, who was like, you got to
meet someone, you got to meet someone, and then he
made an arrangement and I came back another time and
met Eternia. Merciless was also Eternia's producer as well as
Tara Chase.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
You were in the mix off.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Rep didn't even know.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So I got acquainted really fast. I did my research
and my homework.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I started studying up on the culture as a whole,
and by the time I got to that was like
just first year university, second year university.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I was part of the Urban Hip Hop Union.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I was like doing things at school too, and it
was just, you know, something that has grown. But I
started out being a sad kid, so R and B
was like my whole thing, right, So yeah, I think
R and B Diaries was just me coming back into
myself and being like, hey, girl, you like to write
sad songs.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
You should do that.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I think there's also like a freedom when you can
do both of doing more army, because people I know
who do both, like men and women. It's like when
you wrap, you almost wrap us certain way, and then
when you write R and me you write a certain way,
and it almost takes like a kind of a step
back to be like, I can kind of make these
R and B songs in a different way. I don't
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have to just choose which way, because that's something I
feel like going back to Lauren, Lauren did a great
job of on the second album, is like, just because
this is this topic doesn't have to make it a
rap song. You know, this could be this topic and
it could be an R and B song and then
vice versa. And so I think this is what you
have in R and B diaries where back to a
(36:30):
little bit, a little bit is a rap song, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Like smoke could be a rap song, okay, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So it's like you take these topics that are usually
hip hop more topics and themes and you're like, now
let's smooth it out a little bit. So I feel
like you kind of found that balance on this one.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Thank you so much for that, because honestly, I have
had this conversation with people and as you started off,
talked about genres really being like the walls we put
up right, Like, just because I use a guitar doesn't
mean it's rock and roll, and so with R and
B diary, these people are like, oh, you're not really
wrapping on this. I'm like, hmmm, I don't think you heard.
You know. I'm glad you caught that, and it like
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makes me feel hopeful that others will, the.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Real ones know, the real ones know.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Talk about the visual album, because I think that's something
you very very like were intentional about. If, like I
want missed the visual album like that was like, I think,
very most important to you of any of this.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So talk about that.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Oh my gosh, that ends the cake at the release priding,
Like the music is cool, but like, did you see
the cake?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Also? Did you see the visual.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I have a video cutting the cake. You're cutting the
cake with pride, like you will not be the happy
at your wedding cuting the cake.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
You will be with a cake in your life.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Absolutely hands down. If you weren't there, you missed out.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
There will be no more joy ever again, I man,
what are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Sorry? I got distracked by the cake.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
The visual album, the visual album. This cake is serious.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
No, like sweets and like you put sweet in running,
I was aboud been doing as well.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Actually, I just want it for the record, to let
you know.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Let's holl the camera, you've you've made it basically almost
to the end.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
I got the soup left, just trying to be like,
you know, not sip it on on camera, you know,
trying to be more Demi Moore stuff. But I want
to be a director. I want that under my belt.
I want to have that as another title. I'm very
big on like putting like I'm a woman, I identify
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as female.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I'm big on putting females in spaces that they are
not often seen.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
And all of my goats are like my homies who
do this film stuff. Shout us to the homies Cat
shout outs to Royal Del's Soul, shout outs to Meek's
Meeks mclin Like. These people are visionaries and they're in
my circle of friends, and they're constantly just working with me.
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Even though they have the the like education, like they've
gone to the school, they've taken the courses, they know
the technical terms, they still let me be part of
the direction and part of the vision. And so building
with them and learning with them, I get to bring
things to life. My first official directed video was Trust's
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Squaw Squad video with Tamir Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
That was that was That's a debut, that was me baby.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
So you know, like getting a chance to actually put
the story into place, and I think that to be actually,
to be quite fair, Meeks did. Meeks did a great
job of arranging my vision. And so that's why the
visual album is in a different order from the EP
when you listen, because visually and sonically they tell two
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different stories, which I love. But I'm so glad that
I got a chance to to be part of that
direction and to bring about this life.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Shout out to Chromatic Studios.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
In Scarborough, Studios, one location, five videos, one day, eight
hours of bajillion people that I love and thank Please
please check it out. We don't do visual albums anymore.
We live in the ADHD generation where people's attention spans
are so minute, and if you could just take fifteen
minutes of your day and sit with this masterpiece and
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appreciate the story being told, I know you won't regret it.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Now. I appreciate that you did that visual album.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I feel like I want more of them because that's
just a way to.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Actually consume the project.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yes, you know, it's like it's a different experience and
just listening to it. So to me, I think absolutely
worth it for the visual album. Let's talk about Smoke
before we get to the real serious questions. Okay, Smoke
is one of those records that it almost feels like
this is like gangster Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I mean you saw the video, yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You know, but even sonically, like like I listened to
the song again and I said, why is this like
dugged out Phoenix? You know this is not civilian Phoenix.
A talk about that record, because I feel like that
record almost as soon as this starts, it has that
energy from the production and then you come on and
match it.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Okay, so a little bit of easter egg activity. There
were two different Mary J. Blige channelings on this album.
There is over again blonde Bob Mary we call her,
and then there is not gonna cry Mary from waiting
to exhale. So Smoke is all waiting to exhale. That's
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Angela with the with the lip match lighting up.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
That dude's clothes.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
That is violence. That's all I know.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I'm a scorpio. Like to be completely fair, it's not
my fault.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
It makes yeah right a whole new world.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
But that's all literally all I know.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
I just know, you know, direct communication right and saying
how you feel, saying it with your chest and smoke
is at the end because by the time you get
to that part of the relationship, you're really fed up,
you're done.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
And I think it was.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Just a really cool way to say, don't mess with me,
you don't want to do this, you know, in fewer
or more words, I should say, rather.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I got that you definitely don't want this, smoke, you
don't want to get involved with this.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
That'd be one of my suggestions from the project.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Obviously, Monday jam is like, if you feel like you
want to cry, you know, that's the one. But if
you feel like you want to just like throw some
gang signs up, are you guys someone that you know
you want to tend this to like smoke?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Is that one too? This question? I'm very excited to
see what you say for this one.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Okay, Now, when people get a hundred million dollars, they
get an exotic animal.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Okay, I don't make the rules. This is how it goes.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Michael Jackson with his monkey, Justin Bieber with his monkey,
Mike Tyson with his tiger. So when you get a
hundred million dollars. What animal are you bringing into your life?
Speaker 2 (42:59):
A cappy bad h Chris.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's a first, right, wow, Okay, tell us more about that.
That's the first. You've never heard that one from anyone
on the cool table.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Kapy Baras are the friends of the world.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
There's no animal on earth that has beef with the
kapy Barra, Like have you seen them.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
They chill with the gators, they chill with the geese,
they chill with the otters, they chill with the mooses.
I know moose is singular and plural, but you know,
sounded cooler. But they have no known enemies outside of
just nosey as humans. Right, So it's just like if
I were to chill with anything that wasn't a human being,
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and just like all they chill, eat avocados and like
roll around in the pool or whatever they do.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I don't know, they just be so cool. You know.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Kapy bar is unaffiliated. No, no beef there not taking sides. No,
they're the j Cole And.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Again they're the Switzerland.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
They are the j Cole you know of the of
the animal Kingdom. And I got to see one in
person for the first time when I went to Brazil
in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
And how are the vibes just so chill?
Speaker 2 (44:11):
He's just walking around and I'm like, hey, mister kapy bar,
you want an avocado? And he was just like, hey, girl,
you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Sure exactly how we sounded.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
It was really chill.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Internet detectives. Let's let's confirm this. Do they have any
known enemies?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
That feels correct? But the Internet detectives, you guys, let
us know.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I feel like, okay, let us know. But also like
people who don't like.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Cappy bars might be one thing, but like, do the
copy bars have beef with anyone else?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Other animals? Human humans don't count. We got beef with everybody?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh true?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah we got We got beef with the
universe as a whole.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
We do not count. Yeah, let's see the ice cream.
Let's show the camera one more time. We made it
to the end with soup souper bid. No literally, big
shout to Eva's original Chimneys or ice cream sponsor for
all of season three. This is the tear massou flavor,
so go ahead and get that. And also, if you've
got tummy troubles and you don't want your tummy twurkin.
(45:13):
They have vegan flavors as well, so very inclusive for everybody.
This this is one that we always talk about on
the radio show. We have the segment called Wednesday Wisdoms.
A motivational quote we're seeing either you remind yourself of
or the people around you. So what's that quote for
you that's always either like running through your head or
you're always.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Repeating O.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Dark Knight feeling?
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Oh yeah, are you going where I think you're going
with this?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yourtulf become a villain?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
I think that is very very important to remember that
you'll always be the villain in someone's story. So just
live your life, be the best you that you can be.
And if you heard someone along the way you say
I'm Sawry and you blink, blink, blink and you go
on with your life.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I like that You're you're definitely the villain in someone
else's story.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I think I think that that's huge like for people
to just be okay with that.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
It's a journey.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
I didn't always get there, but then I asked myself,
like what can I do? Woo woo woo, And if
it's nothing, then nothing and.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Also I think, you know, you don't have to be
the villain in your own story, like just because someone
else makes me the villain. Like I had that where
I had a break up and I thought that everyone's
going to take her side. I was like, oh, my
friends are done with me. It's over for me. And
one of my friends had a birthday party and I
was like, you know what, she can go to the party.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Okay, not party custody.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, I said, she got the friends in the breakup,
you know, and and my friends like, no, we want
you to be there, like it's a joint birthday. And
I was like, okay, all show face. But you know,
if I'm all of a sudden heart broken, I'm leaving,
you know.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Anyway, when the jam comes on, I'm out of there.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
That would have been too much. But I go to
the party. Everything's fine, of course, no drama. She's not
even there. They're like, yeah, we didn't invite her. Why
would we invite her?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
And because she had made me the villain, I just
took it as everyone had made me the villain, and
I've made myself the villain. I said, Okay, I'm the
villain everyone. Now I'm just gonna go with a corner,
and I remember, I'm not speaking to opening for me
because I was like, I don't need to make myself
the villain because they made the villain. I don't have
to retweet it. I could let them hold the villain
status on me and leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
One.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
I'm going to add, which I may start adding to
the intro or the outro. You guys, some much you
think is hot people drink water. True, I feel like
that's a great one that we all need to remember.
Double entendre of course, but.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I'm like, let me steal that bar.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, but hot people drink water, don't forget that. I
don't thank you for joining us, man, It's been a
long time coming. I feel like this is like years
in the making.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
But so many years.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
But I'm happy we did it for this project. Honestly,
I feel like it was only only right, so I
really appreciate it. If you guys haven't heard R and
B Diaries, please go check that out. Nothing I said
was cap Monday jam. If you want to cry, listen,
find me and tweet me and tell me how the
tears were. I promise happy tears only. But I appreciate
you joining us, It has honestly been a pleasure. You
(48:17):
guys find us on all the interwebs okay, The Cool
Table Live on Instagram, The Cool Table on YouTube, Agrosmiley
dot Com on TikTok And until next time, know yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Know you're worth
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