Inner Journey with Greg Frtiedman welcomes back Paul Selig

Inner Journey is happy to welcome Paul Selig back. Paul is one of the foremost spiritual channels working today. To esay that he has written 12 books would be inaccurate.  Paul would tell you that what he does is more akin to channeling and taking dictation. Through his unique skill set he has helped millions navigate these very strange times.

Episode Transcript

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We don't tell you what to do, and we don't
tell you how to do it. And the reason for
that is because it's not our freaking lives. It's your life.
It's your choice, it's your happiness, it's your music. You
can make the blues if you want to, and you

(01:16):
can make dance music if you want to. You get
to choose. Choose happiness, choose grief, choose sadness. Pain is inevitable,
Suffering is an option. What are you going to choose
because at the end of the day, this show is
about one thing and one thing alone, to help you

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understand you are the magic and we just get to
help you realize it.

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You start to go all that ride.

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Anything now, sir.

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That you stop themselves, don't get mbo, don't stop looking
else about.

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It's not just to.

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All I said never.

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Or do not.

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Yet do it?

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Can't get say yet not to say?

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So many comes.

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I'm Karline Mason. You're thing to Inner Journeys with Greg Friedman.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
And if you have never heard Carolyn Mace before, she
is absolutely amazing. She has paved the pathway for so
many others to follow. She is no nonsense, a direct speaker,
and will not pull a punch and is simultaneously brilliant,

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wise and incredibly kind. And most people think, if you're
going to be that director, you're going to be unkind.
I got news. You're only unkind for those people that
can't handle the truth. Speaking of that, I have a
truth that may offend some people. You are God, you

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are source energy, you are universal energy. I don't care
which way you want to hold it, you want to
express it, but the truth of the matter is there
is no other. We are all one, We are all
universal energy. We are different expressions of the same universal energy.

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But there is no other. And the freedom in that
is amazing because once we realize that there's no other,
then there's no enemy. There's no force, there's nothing to
push against, there's nothing to fight because the truth of
the matter is we are that is, I am that is.

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Are you willing to stop the pettiness? Are you willing
to realize that we don't have to run because the
sky is falling anymore? The sky isn't falling. I don't
care who it is. I don't care if you think
if it's political, and you think the Democrats are wrong,

(08:04):
or the Republicans are wrong, or the Democratic Crats are right,
or the Republicans are right, or the Israelis are right
and the Gozzins are wrong, or vice versa, or the
Ukrainians are right in the and the Russians are wrong.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
It just is.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
The point is when we realize the fallacy of their
being another. Then we will realize peace. And it happens
first from within. Are you willing to accept who you are?

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Are you willing to accept that you are universal energy incarnate,
You are source energy incarnate. You are living, breathing God,
not God's plural. You are one, You are a singular
in the same way. And I say this incessantly, and

(09:03):
I'm sure if y'all listen on a regular you're gonna
be going Really, he's gonna say that again. Yes, he's
gonna say that again, because I love that we are
both the drop in the ocean and the ocean itself.
That drop is no less that other one over there,
is not another one over there. It's part of the

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same ocean. We are all one, and there are so
many people choosing fear by choosing separation. Are you willing
to allow yourself and I really mean that word, Are
you willing to allow yourself to understand you are no different.

(09:51):
I can't be the same as that person. What do
you mean. I'm not asking you to be the same
as that person, asking you to understand you are one
with that person. And that's just a different expression of
source energy well, how could that be? Because there's all
this pain, and there's all this anger, and there's all

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this war, and there's all this hardship, because it's our path.
And if we didn't, if we went to a gym
and we never pulled or pushed against an opposing weight,
how will we possibly gain muscle? How would we possibly evolve?

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We are here in order to grow, in order to be,
in order to allow for the expansiveness that is, And
if we do not allow ourselves to go and feel
the experience of life, then we are please settling for

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an existence. We are relegating ourselves to a prison of
our own making. Are you willing to set yourself free
by looking into the eyes of anybody, of everybody and
seeing your true self in them, seeing your source self

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in them, seeing your god self, your energy self, your
universal self. Do you understand how incredible you are, how
incredibly powerful you are, how much love you have sow
much love you have to share, and how much love
you have to receive. It is so important that we

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remove all those things that we put in place out
of fear, so as to block love from coming in.
Aren't you tired of being hungry? Of being thirsty of
being heartsick when there's a bounty before you. It's simply

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is now, will be forever a choice? Will you choose
your own divinity? Will you recognize yourself as the beautiful soul,
the beautiful being, the beautiful, messy, dirty expression of life

(12:33):
that you are, and embrace that as you are? Because
the truth of the matter is, no, you are not ideal.
There is no such thing as ideal. It's a fallacy.
But what you are is perfect because perfect is the process,
and you're right here, right now in process. Embrace who

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you are and love. That's it. And we have an
incredibly special guest this evening, a man named Paul Sellig,
who is perhaps the fore most channel alive today. He
has written, I believe off the top of my had

(13:23):
fifteen books, and I'll explain in a second that he
really hasn't written them. He's been a conduit for those books.
And he is a beautiful, sweet, loving, kind soul, and
he is generous enough to share his time, his energy,
and his wisdom with us. Very shortly. You are listening

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to Inner Journey with Greg Friedman, and we'll be back
with Paul Selig right after this.

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When the stars stays shining brown, it feels like we've
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Before you got to let your sol sht, just like
my dad used to us to say, so oh shine
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Sure better than me.

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Speaker 4 (17:03):
To take.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Thank you for tuning in tonight. You are tuning in
on a very special evening. Our guest this evening is
Paul Sellig. Paul is, as I said earlier, possibly the
premiere channel alive today.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
He is.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
To say that he's written twelve books. Would be inaccurate.
Paul would tell you that it's more kin to taking
dictation through channeling, and his unique skill set has helped millions,
and I mean millions, navigate these strange times and so
many others that we've been in. Paul, I am so

(17:56):
glad to welcome you back to Inner Journey. Thank you
for joining us, Thanks for having me. You know, I'm
going to begin with the same question that I ask
every guest to begin with. And I do this because
you and I, virtually or in reality in the radio
station are in a different universe than the listening audience.

(18:18):
And I found that the more intimately that this is
responded to, the more it bridges that gap and we
all go on a journey together. And that question is,
We've had everybody in their cousin on this. We've had you,
We've had Mary, Anne Williams, and Greg Braden, Bruce Lippton,
so many people on this program. And to a person,

(18:39):
there was an event or a series of events that
acted like a catalyst to catapult them on a significant
aspect of their journey. What's your story that you want
to share this evening.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, there were a series of events, and I've told
a story of Paramount, and I'm actually writing about it now.
I've been working on a memoir, so I'm getting to
relive some of these things. But I was twenty five,
and I was about a year out of not even
a year out of graduate school at Yale, and I
had developed a strong enough drinking problem and an insympia

(19:13):
drug addiction that I was getting scared. And I had
been raised pretty much an atheist. And I found myself
in a hotel room in Saint Paul praying for the
first time in my life and not even knowing why,
but I was doing it. It said prayer for people
in crisis, and a little book that the Gideons leave
in the drawers of these hotel rooms. And I said

(19:34):
it and I meant it. And I was back in
New York City about three days later, where I lived,
and I woke up one morning and I said, you know,
what can I do for myself today that's positive? And
I heard a voice telling me to get my act together,
and I listened to it. It shocked me, and I
stopped drinking that day. A few months later, I was

(19:57):
hearing that there was this thing happening that people were
calling the harmonic convergence and that people were going to
be waking up. So this is nineteen eighty seven, when
I was twenty five, and I was beginning to think
that there may be something you could call God something
like that. And I thought, well, if there is one,
and you asked to be woken up, why would it
want to say no. So I went up to the

(20:19):
roof of this building that I was living in in
Manhattan and the night before this you know, purported event,
and I asked to be woken up with the expectation
I think that something would happen. And something did, and
it was an experience of energy, you know, moving through
my body and through the top of my head, and

(20:40):
I started seeing little lights around people, you know. Shortly
thereafter so I'd heard a voice and I felt energy,
and now I was seeing lights. So my world started
to get turned a bit inside out, and I was
sort of the last person anybody would have expected to
go on a journey like this. But the journey's really
continued until stay it's still ongoing, and I still can't

(21:02):
say that I fully understand it. But that was the beginning,
and then I studied energy healing to get a context
for what I was starting to experience maybe a year
or so later too, maybe a few few years later,
and that opened me up as a clear sentient is
a clear audience in a more full way. And that's
what happened.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
You said you were about the last person to go
on a journey like this.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Why do you say that, Well, i'd been raised an atheist.
Pretty well. My mother would have said we were agnostic,
but both of my parents had been I think, fairly
betrayed by any organized religion or any idea of God.
My father it was a German Jew who was you know,

(21:43):
in a kindertransport to a Holocaust survivor. And my mother
had been you know, molested by her minister when she
was you know, still in high school, I guess. So
that wasn't part of my world at all. And I was,
you know, a platinum blonde Billie Idol died blonde, you know,
chain smoking, you know, leather jacket wearing punk, you know.

(22:08):
And I was writing plays, and I had just gotten
out of Yale for graduate school, and I was having
I think, the beginnings of what looked like at the
time an auspicious career. And even though I was you
know fairly dysfunctional. I mean, that's sort of an understatement.

(22:29):
I found myself in some way called the only way
that I can say it. I think the yearning for
God or something like God was very present, but unarticulated.
I wouldn't have known that that was what belonging was
for because it wasn't on a menu of how I
grew up, so unlikely in that, I don't think I

(22:50):
was an obvious candidate. I wasn't looking for this. I
certainly wasn't looking to become a channel or to do
the work that I do now leave in this stuff. Really,
I think i'd read half a set book when I
was a graduate student. I thought it was really interesting,
but I didn't know if I ascribe to the phenomena.

(23:10):
You know, And I'm still not a very good New
Age or truth to tell you know, I get very
impatient with a lot of the stuff that's around it.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
It does tend to be a little bit fluff and
not a lot of subsidence. Sometimes, now, when you're talking
about this, you heard a voice and you respond to
that voice, you know what. I before I even asked that,
I'd like you to set a few definitions because there's
a lot of people that listen that have had a
lot of experience in this weird and wacky world, and

(23:39):
there's some starters help them understand. For those who don't
know what a channel is and how that process works,
if you would, well.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I mean, to my mind, a channel is really someone
who is taking dictation from another level of consciousness, my guides.
I call them the guides or teachers, so they teach
through me, and I am literally taking dictation. None of
it's necessarily convenient to what I want to hear or

(24:09):
what I think is so my clear audience and it
is channeling is a form of clear audience and a
form of mediumship. You're really serving as a bridge between
two levels of consciousness or vibration. My cleare audience is
not external. There are people that hear a voice is
if it's you know, down the hall or on the
other side of the room. For me, it's the thought

(24:32):
that blocks all well, it just blocks out all other thoughts,
and it comes with its own texture and its own
you know, resonance, and honestly, its own vocabulary and cadence
that I've become accustomed to over the years of doing it.
That's not how it began. Initially, if you can imagine,

(24:52):
well I was. I had studied energy healing, so I
was volunteering at a center in New York City that
actually Marian Williamson had begun. It was called the Manhattan Center,
and it was serving people primarily who were dealing with AIDS.
It was the height of the AIDS epidemic in New York.
And I found when I had my hands on people's
body bodies, I would hear things for them. So if

(25:13):
I had my hand in your chest and I heard
the name Jerome, I'd say, who's Jerome? And you'd say
my father, my lover, my son, my dog, whatever, my husband.
And as that panned out again and again, I began
to trust it all. But initially it was like a
word appearing out of the static on a television set
that was tuned to no channel at all. And as

(25:36):
I became refined, my ability to take that reception, or
to serve as a conductor for that transmission was improved.
So now it's more or less a steady flow when
it comes through. But that took quite some time.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
And do you feel like this is available to everybody
or do you feel like it's only for the few.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't know how to answer that. I think everybody
has capacity, but I think certain people are built in
different ways and have different kinds of aptitude. So I
think that I had a skill set strangely enough that
lended itself to this, and there are a number of

(26:22):
reasons for that. If I was six foot five, I'd
probably be playing basketball, you know, I mean, I would
be built for that. So I think everybody has an
intuitive sense and everybody has access. Is everybody sort of
willing to sit with it and learn the kind of
discernment that I think is essential for this to be effective,

(26:47):
and is everybody willing to get out of the way enough?

Speaker 5 (26:51):
You know?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
My channeling, for the most part, has almost never been
for myself for what I want to hear. Nobody's given
me the lucky numbers or telling me how to get
a relationship, been where to find the person I wish
they would, And people sometimes discredit what I do because
they think that that should be happening. But I'm lined
up in whatever way when I'm working as a channel.

(27:12):
When I work as that's a different skill set. Two
guides that have a very specific agenda and their agenda
is their teaching and the energy that they bring through
that they attune people with so that people can do
their own thing. So I do think everybody has capacity.
I just think some people are probably have more aptitude.
You know, it's hard. I think if you are, and

(27:35):
I say this, if you've already decided what it's supposed
to be like and what you're supposed to hear, you're
going to have a really rough time channeling because none
of this stuff ever has been convenient to me and
to what I thought life should be and how things
should work. You know, it's really more than anything been

(27:55):
disruptive at that level productively, and it's given me a
lovely life eventually. But I had to learn, I think,
how to be in this odd position, which is to
be a radio, which is what I describe myself as.
When I work, I'm a radio. When I'm chaveling my guides,
I'm tuned into one station which is specific to them.

(28:18):
If I'm tuning into a client or back at the
Manhattan Center, somebody you know who was you know, on
the table, I'm tuning into their frequency, their radio station,
their broadcast, and I'm hearing what they have to tell me,
and I still work that way, although I don't do
the healing work the way that I did when I
was younger, because that's just not how I'm operating anymore.

(28:42):
It was terribly, terribly useful in terms of my developing,
you know, clear sentience, which was the ability to feel energy,
and also my ability to step out of the way
and listen to and for other people.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
You know, when I'm working with clients and they're very
new to this whole field, one of the first things
that I'll tell anybody with any abilities is you have
a channel changer, you have a volume knob, and you
have an on and off switch. Does that work that
way for you as well? Because you sort of just

(29:17):
express that in a different way. And I don't know
if I misunderstood you.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't use that terminology. I do think of myself
at times as turning a dial, you know. I mean
it's people sometimes say how long do you have to
meditate before you go into a session, and I say,
I don't at this point. It's just like it doesn't
take any time to switch radio stations. It's the intention

(29:42):
to do that. The on and off switch I do
agree with, and only in that I don't get interrupted,
you know, And this is has been this way pretty
much from the beginning. I suppose there's been a few
times where they've just stepped in and surprised me. But
for the most p part, it's very respectful, and you know,

(30:03):
if I ask a question, I will generally receive an answer.
Or if I am scheduled to do a channeling before
a group of people are a class, they show up
and they do their thing. But they do respect free will.
So I used to say, you know, if I want
to walk into traffic, I can do that. If I
ask the guides, they probably say not whise, which means

(30:24):
if you want to get hit by a truck, you'll
get hit by a truck. But it's not the wisest
decision you could make, so they don't override free will.
And I get concerns sometimes when people say, my guides
have told me that I am the one to do this,
and I am the only one to do that, and
that's a little always a little bit suspect to me.
I mean, I suspect that there may be, you know,

(30:46):
people that are worked with in that way. But I've
found that a high level guide or what I consider
to be a high level guide, will respect free will
and honor choice. And the on and off switch, as
you said, is actually useful that way, you know, I
get to live my own life.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
The guys are always present at a certain level. But
you know, when I'm working, I'm working and they're there,
and I trust it they'll be either. Otherwise I couldn't
do it anymore. It would be too frightening. In the
old days, I didn't know if anybody would show up.
You know, that was brutal. You know, my God, people
are coming. Will I be able to hear? But that changed,
you know, in my mid thirties, and I was very

(31:25):
grateful and that happened.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Allan Steinfeld has been a guest on my program as well,
and for any of you who don't know who is
he has done a huge amount with contact in the
desert and with all kinds of beings that we may
not recognize. And he would tell me stories about the
early days of you and he do you know what
I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, sure, sure Allen was a riot we were together,
but yeah, he the first time Alan showed up. Allan
was recommended to me by someone I should meet him
and talk what I do. When he came to my
apartment and he was like, Okay, what do you got
for me? Was his attitude. And then I sat down

(32:07):
on the couch and I channeled and he actually felt
the energy that came through when he's the woman first
encouraged me to do a retreat, you know, which I didn't,
which really changed things. I have two yapping dogs all
of a sudden, and I live in the rainforest, so
there's no nothing from them to be barking at unless
it's a wild boar. Anyway, that was Alan, and my

(32:31):
very first interview that I did was with Alan on
his UH on his pot on his cable TV show,
and that was a riot because nobody could believe what
they were seeing when I channeled, because I'm such an
ungraceful channeler.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
What do you mean by an ungraceful channeler?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Well, at that time, how how I work has changed.
I'm still an ungraceful channel in my opinion. I sometimes
see video of people and I don't really watch other channels,
but they'll up here in my my media feed and
social media and I'll see somebody sitting there very politely
and being you know, presenting very well and in a
lotus position, you know, and I'm rock and you know,

(33:11):
I'm like rocking back and forth. In the old days,
I was very very heavy and I was on his
show and I used to literally rock when I channeled,
like I was at the whaling wall. You know, it
was it was funny, but it's how it happened. You know,
the energy was coming through powerfully. It's always been a
very physical experience to me, you know, to me and

(33:32):
I've been managed. I think there was a period of
time when I could only channel on my feet and
I would walk around the room. I put the chairs
in a circle and I'd walk around there with my
eyes closed, and I think I looked like a chicken
with my head cut off. I mean, it was it
was something, and I'm surprised I didn't careen into one
of the rows and you know, knock a few people over.

(33:54):
And eventually, you know, it settled in. And how I
work today is very very different. But I whisper the
words as they come and then I repeat them. And
that's been going on most of the time since the beginning.
Sometimes it's not happening, but that's fairly rare. And so
when I was channeling on New Realities his show. You know,

(34:16):
I thought I did a good job. I explained myself first.
You know, I knew people, nobody knew who I was.
I think I think the first book may have just
come out. I am the word. But you know, the
feedback was not very polite as I read the seed
that appeared, and you know, because Alan would put these

(34:37):
little clips online, you know, with a flashing banner saying,
you know, Paul selling channels on et Realities and there's
this big man rocking back and forth, whispering and repeating.
So I learned my lesson there. I learned that, you know,
if I'm going to do this work what other people think,
it can't really be my business. And I had to
get over that pretty early on.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Did that carry over into your for lack of a
better way of saying it, normy life, where you where
the where basically you've adopted that other people's opinion of
you isn't under your business.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
It's better by a lot than it used to be.
I don't really care anymore.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
What happened after that interview was I felt like I
was getting you know, stabbed in the ears. You ever
hear the whole thing. Your ears must have been ringing.
You know, people, people are talking about you, And for me,
it's always been somewhat physical, you know, right ears usually male,
left ears usually women. It's usually very, very accurate. But
my ears were going wacko. And I said to the

(35:41):
guides that I worked with at the time, if you
want me to do this work, why are you letting
this happen? And they said, well, as long as you
care what people think about you, this is going to
be an issue. So I don't care the way that
I did, you know, And honestly that works out pretty
well for me. I don't. I rarely read comments when

(36:03):
they appear online. If there's been a you know, a
published channeling, you know, or the reviews. I'm happy when
I hear that people have been helped helped by the books,
but they're not my books, you know. I really am,
in some ways the radio or the conduit for the teaching.
And if you have to sort of already make the

(36:26):
leap that such a thing as possible. The channeling is
a phenomenon. It can be experienced in order to go
with this at all, and I just don't question it anymore.
I mean it's not. I don't think that I'm special.
I think I'm an adept in some ways for this
specific work and that I've agreed to do it, and
so I do it, and it's just my work.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
You know, you mentioned how your process works with writing books,
and I did as well. Will you expand on that
so our listeners can understand the process, because you've said
to me on and off air a number of times
that you don't actually write the books.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
No, there's no writing involved. I'm trying to write my
own book now and that's killing me because I haven't
done my own writing in many years. I wasn't planning
on channeling books. I was channeling in my little living
room in New York City once a week, and I
had a little group that had been coming and this
had been going on for years. But I was a

(37:26):
college teacher, so I was working under the radar intentionally.
I wasn't looking to be known for this. And I
was being mentored at a time by a wonderful old
medium who we had met online, and she was keeping
an eye on what I was doing, and when she
heard that I wasn't recording and transcribing the sessions she

(37:47):
was incensed. And I only just started lecturing, and this
was much later. I was about forty eight when I
started lecturing, and that was when I quit smoking cigarettes,
and that's when my whole system really opened up in
my work were fully changed. So the moment I became
willing to transcribe the lectures and throw them up on

(38:08):
my website, I think the original Channel lectures still may
be there somewhere in the archives. The guide said shortly thereafter,
we have a book to write, and if you take
two weeks, we'll do it. And I agreed, not thinking
it would really happen. And I had been on the
phone with a colleague from one of the schools I
was teaching at the time, and she agreed to be

(38:29):
there on the phone. There has to be an active listener,
and you know, for two and a half weeks, they
dictated a book called I Am the Word, and I
typed the transcripts up myself off of the recordings, and
that was the first of now thirteen books. There are
twelve and prints the thirteen to one. Thirteenth one I

(38:51):
think will come out next winter.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Really I Am, so this is the one you're writing
on your own?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
The thirteenth that'll be that's the Ways down the Road.
The thirteenth book, a part of Me, is called Divine Union,
and it's a teaching of the Guides. But they say
that they've completed a teaching in the first twelve books
that they've delivered, and they're onto something new. So this
is the first of whatever is new, as far as.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
I can tell.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
And they typically write in trilogies. Is there a reason
for that that they've shared?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
It was funny. I knew with the first book that
I was told that it was going to be a trilogy,
and then I was working with the publisher who said,
is there another trilogy? And the Guide said yes, So
they just did trilogies for a period of time, I
don't you know. Funnily enough, the second book, which was
called the Book of Love and Creation, was five hundred

(39:43):
pages of typewritten pages. And all I'm doing, because the
books are all spoken and I'm transcribing off of the
old days, it was a CT recording. Now everything's videotaped
and all of the books are done publicly in front
of an ar and serves a series of audiences, and
the videotapes are sent off to be transcribed. But initially

(40:07):
the second book, I think I wasn't sure if they
knew that there would be more, that I'd committed to
more fully because I think it was so long because
they were getting as much and as they possibly could,
because I hadn't really bought into going on this journey
fully with them, And once I did, it became much easier.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
The expectation was is that I would show up and
they would deliver the book when they were ready, and
there would be a deadline and it would be met.
And that's how that's been since they're really the beginning.
In some ways, it's trying because one of the rules
with the Channel of books is I don't get to
go back and change anything. You know, I don't get

(40:46):
to if they say the moon is made of green cheese.
I'm stuck with it in the book and they're going
to have to unpack it if they say that, because
I'm going to question what the hell they're talking about.
But I don't get to go back and make it
politically correct or user friendly.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
It's a transcript of a verbal teaching that oddly reads
quite well as a book.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I mean, they know what they're doing, and you do
get to question them as a part of it.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
I heard, yeah, I do. I interrupt, you know, sometimes
maybe too much. You see, I don't write the books,
but my name is on the cover. And if they
say something that, to my mind is unclear or too
far fetched, you'll often hear Paul is interrupting because I am,
you know, with a question. I'm thinking that, and then

(41:33):
they'll usually take the question. And the very first book,
I am the word. I didn't have a system for that.
So there's a line early in the book where they
say this is not a book that's been written before.
And then they say this is not a course in miracles.
And people said why are they saying that? Well, the
reason was I piped in with my thought, well what

(41:54):
about a course in miracles? And they said, this is
not that. So now when those questions happen, they're actually
included in the text. Paul is asking, and they'll they'll
frame the question that I just posed, and then they'll
either respond to it or not. It's pretty good. It
works well. So in some ways that's my way of
feeling responsible to my role as channel and also as student.

(42:18):
You know, in some ways, I'm like the student in
the front row with his hand up, you know, and
they can't really ignore me because I don't have to
keep talking if I don't want to, you know. So
if they want to hear your if they want to
do more, they're going to probably have to address what
I've just questioned.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
So you brought up a really significant question at the
end of that. And there's another direction that I want
to go. So I'm going to ask both in one
and you just go any which ways appropriate. One is,
I'd love you to share some of the ways and
things that you have done in order to study to
be a better conduit or a more available conduit. And

(42:58):
the other part of this is who is the they
and are they always the same cast of characters or
are there people that cycle or energies or entities that
cycle in and out.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I'll start with this sort of the development. I wasn't
looking to channel. I was actually in my early thirties
being mentored by somebody or helped to I was basically
working with somebody who, as we shared the same teacher
at the time, who was supporting me and having a
context for some of this stuff because I had a

(43:32):
lot of questions, and when that relationship ended, I felt
very much on my own, which is really around the
time that the guides came through more powerfully. I was
already channeling, but it was the very beginning of it,
and it was baby steps at the top. I did
the little group in my apartment, but I was far
more interested in the energy that would come through that

(43:53):
I was the information, because the guides were working with
energies and attainments from the very very beginning, and the
information was secondary and I was. I would often dismiss
it because who am I and it's coming through me
and I don't really you know, I don't know anything.
So my development mostly had to do with being enormously consistent.

(44:14):
I did a group that met in my living room
once a week pretty much for about eighteen years, and
this is you know, I think the first book was
published maybe around year sixteen. Of that. There was a
period where I took a break of a year or
two because I had just said, enough of this stuff,
this is all too crazy, and I just want to
have a normal life. And then after nine to eleven happened,

(44:35):
which the guides had actually predicted, I went back to
work you know, I was like, oh boy, I'm going
to go. I better listen to these beings, you know,
because they have something to say, and they picked up
like I'd never missed a beat. But at different times,
I've had different people in my life that have been
helpful and in terms of shepherding me through or supporting

(44:59):
me through my own confusion and resistance to this stuff.
You know, I'm an old time twelve stepper. And there's
a line in the Twelve Steps somewhere in that literature
where it says, you know, going it alone in spiritual
matters can be dangerous, and I actually think that there's
some truth to that.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Could you. I'm sorry, I want to make sure.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Going it alone, Going it alone in spiritual matters can
be dangerous, you know, which basically means have a check
system or have somebody to talk to, you know, I mean,
I you know, it's it's my old teacher, Jeannette, the
old time medium who waged your finger at me for
not recording. You know. She said, you walk around those

(45:42):
streets and you see those people talking to themselves. We said, well,
I can see the person they're talking to and they're
right with them. So I'm of the opinion that it's
kind of like, how can I say this? Like cable TV,
there's a lot of stations to tune into, and some
discernment is helpful along the way. You know, you can
be you can be watching a pretty low level show,

(46:05):
or you can move to a higher one. Somebody will
talk to you, you know. So when I hear channelings
that are all about that are fear based or promoting fear,
or all about conspiracies or inviting hatred or encouraging war,
I'm pretty suspect about the source of the information. It's

(46:26):
possible that there somebody's hearing something, but I don't know
what that is. It's not how I work. So I've
always had people around that I could and I don't
check my channelings, you know, I have their other psychics
and other mediums who read the work and will give
me feedback on what they think. But again, it's not
my book. I can't go back and change anything, so

(46:46):
I don't. But in terms of my own process, I
had to learn discernment, and I had to be consistent,
and I think the fact that I kept showing up,
you know, I channeled. I think during the Gosh the
fire is on Malle. I think I was here working
and you know when my mother crossed, and you know,

(47:06):
when I put the dog to sleep. I mean I
would show up because I had agreed to show up,
and I do. And I think that that's given me
kind of some muscle. It's like going to the gym.
You just keep doing it. I hear of people that
have these openings and suddenly they're channeling up a storm
and they're all over the place and doing your stuff.

(47:27):
That wasn't the case with me. I was channeling early on,
but I was not developed. I was told by a
mentor when I was maybe thirty two years old, and
I was like, am I ever going to do this
work for real? And she said, oh yeah, it's guaranteed.
And I said what she said around forty eight to

(47:49):
fifty and somebody else told me the same thing. I'm thinking,
what the hell is the matter with this world? Forty
eight to fifty? The first book was channel when I
was forty eight years old, and I wasn't known for
the work that I do until I was fifty or so.
And I had been told by one of these people.
You know when I said why, they said, you've been
veiled for your own protection, which didn't make a lot

(48:11):
of sense to me at the time, but it makes
sense to me now. I wasn't ready. I thought it
was about me in the early days, and I don't
anymore at all, you know, I really don't. I think
I show up from my job and I don't think
that what I do, you know, is as or is

(48:32):
it more important than what anybody else does. And people
have different gifts in how we show up with those
gifts or abilities in the world as part of what
we're here for, and that's it. So you know, that's
what I had to learn.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
You said a couple of things that I think are
really important to explore. For the one of them is
you were veiled for your own protection. I'd like to
explore that. And the other thing that you said was
that you don't think you're here for you, So if you, then,
what do you feel like your job is. I understand

(49:04):
where you're going to probably go with this, but I'd
still like to hear it.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think it's not about me, you know, it's not
about my how I show up in the world and
how I'm seen by other people. I don't want people
to project their stuff on me and people like to
do that. I'm not a spiritual teacher. I don't want
to be. I'm not a guru. I have no desire
for that. I have certain abilities that have become refined,

(49:29):
but I seem to work with well and can be
of help to other people. So my job is to
show up with what I have to offer. That's really it.
But it's not about I hope you know the Paull Show.
It's never that. When I was a young guy and
I was very invested in the specialness of this all
and the mystery of it all, I think that that

(49:52):
was far more present, and maybe I needed that it was.
It was encouraging for a number of reasons, I think,
to begin to understand that I had capacity, especially with
the skill set that I had been told didn't even exist,
you know, when I was growing up. So the veil
for his own protection thing, I think was about in

(50:14):
some ways not letting my ego run away with this stuff,
which I think can be a danger for people. And
you know, understanding that what I was doing, and this
may be specific to me, my clare audience in most

(50:37):
ways has always been there for other people. So my
job is to show up for others. My guide said
to me once, and this was maybe ten fifteen years ago,
when I was having a rough time and I was
working with a god a prayer minister was a lovely
woman who said, I'm going to ask your guy, it's

(51:00):
what's up with you? You know what's up with Paul?
And I don't get information for myself too comfortably, but
if somebody has a list of questions, I can step
out of the way enough to usually get a pretty
clear response. And their answer was, well, Paul's job is
to hold the door open for others. And that pissed
me off royally at the time. That shortly thereafter, maybe

(51:22):
a year or two, they did a teaching and this
is in a book. It might be the Book of
Truth or the Book of Freedom, but they said, you know,
the door is open now and everybody comes through, and Paul,
you get to come through too, And that was quite something.
And that's when they introduced this whole concept of the
upper room or the level of vibration that their teaching

(51:46):
is from.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Well, so that's something I want to dive into deeper.
But in the next hour, because we are very close
to being whipping through this hour, It's crazy how quickly
it goes before. So I would like to use the
remaining time in this hour for us to explore your website,
some of the offerings that you have and how people

(52:07):
could get a hold of you. I believe your primary website,
and it may be your only one, is Paul Selig
dot com. Selig is spelled s e l Ig Paulselig
dot com. Somebody goes there, what are some of the
things that you will be offering to them? They'll explore
and be able to be delighted and informed by.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Well. I mean, there's you know, memberships, there's a lot
of free material. You can sign up for events there.
I do a lot of online events. I teach pretty
much every Wednesday. I'm off this week for the first time.
It open about a month. But most Wednesday evenings Eastern
time or specific time I'm teaching are the guys are

(52:52):
teaching and I'm taking questions so that the guys are working,
and I'm doing more psychic work with people as they come.
And I do live events. I do a fair amount
of them. Again, I wasn't traveling for a while, and
I enjoy traveling, so I'm getting back to that. So
I know I'm going to be upcoming in I think

(53:12):
Bolder in Berkeley, California, and Sanitas and Santa Barbara and Gosh, London,
and I'll be in Italy this summer as well as
in North Carolina. So there's there's lots of stuff to do.
When the guides teach in a workshop, they're at tuning
people and they're getting people to work with the energy

(53:34):
with partners. It's all very palpable, so it becomes a
it's usually you know, a very canesthetic and the physical
experience of the phenomenon that the guides bring through for people.
And I do readings, but I'm on hiatus right now
because I'm trying to work on this actual writing project
of my own. But that information is there, and information

(53:55):
on all the books and where to order them, and
you know how to sign up for stuff. If you're
in tristed in, you videos and everything that you expect
to find on somebody's website, lots of interviews, lots of
media you have.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Yeah, it's that if you go to Paul Selig dot com,
you're gonna find about private readings, You're gonna find audio
and videos, you're gonna find out about the books. You're
going to find out about upcoming events, regular events, and media,
and you're going to be able to see things like
this show has appeared on the website before, and so
many others where you could just dive in and really

(54:29):
get to understand the process, get to understand and hear
some of what happens in the channelings. Last time Paul
was on, he actually did a very He provided the act.
The verbiage is so tough sometimes, I'm telling you, it's
acted as a conduit to allow a very quick reading

(54:50):
for me while we were on air. And there are
just so many things to explore, and your generosity has
always been a abundant and I thank you for that.
We are at the top of the hour. We're gonna
have to take a short break, and then when we
come back, we're going to explore more about Paul and
his latest book, A World Made New Talk about timing.

(55:16):
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(01:01:29):
actually working on fourteen thirteen will have been channeled and
the one will be his autobiography and I am so
looking forward to that book. Paul, Welcome back to Inner Journey.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
You know, before we left four Break, there were a
few different things that we were talking about. One of
them is you said that a pivotal moment to get you,
for lack of a better way of saying it, back
in the game, was when you're our guides told you
about nine to eleven, what did they tell you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Well, it was through the back door, because I don't
do those kinds of predictions. I was involved with somebody
at the time who was opening a business in Lower
Manhattan and wants to know if they were going to
be able to make the rent in October because they'd
put the deposit down I think the first month and
you know, month's deposit. And the answer was no. And

(01:02:28):
the question was, well, why why wouldn't we make the rent?
And the answer was, well, because there's going to be
a terrorist attack in Lower Manhattan. And I think they
gave the date because I remember, you know, my comforting
them and saying, well, you know, maybe I got the
date wroung maybe it's November. I know that there's an
eleven in it. And this was a reading that happened
at the end of the summer, probably July or August,

(01:02:51):
so you know, that's how I got it. I wasn't
looking for it. I don't know that I would ever
get it again, but it sort of took that for
me to make a choice, and my own choice to
go back and do this work. I had stopped, you know,
I just thought, you know, this is all too much,
and I don't know if this is what I want

(01:03:12):
to be doing with my life. And you know, as
I said, I'm not a great new ager, and I
was feeling the need for something more ordinary. And I
got that for a period of time, and my life
is still sort of ordinary. This is now ordinary for
me to do this work, so I don't think of
it as extraordinary, but I feel in retrospect that it

(01:03:37):
was important for me to claim this on my own.
I was being encouraged in this direction by others, and
I was listening to them, but I hadn't said, yes,
I'm really willing to do this work, and once I did,
I didn't stop.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
And you've also said that your work is not really
about healing of what is it about?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Did I say that on this broadcast? Not about healing others?

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I'm phrasing poorly, but it was something to that effect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yes, Well, initially I was trained in a form of
energy healing, so I was doing that work, and it
was hands on work, and it was with a specific population.
And then I realized I didn't need to have my
hands on anybody in order for the energy to be transmitted.

(01:04:32):
And then the information that was coming through became primary
to how I work, which is why people think of
me more as a channel, although other people think of
me as a healing medium, because the energy that comes
through when I'm working is a healing energy and is
very palpable. And then the guides attuned people so that
they can work with that energy directly themselves. You don't

(01:04:55):
need me there, you know. I think the attunements are
probably up online at this point and av to anybody
to work with. So the work is it's not self help,
and the guides have said that directly. I remember my
first editors that I wish they would write self help,
but they don't. They say this is about transformation, it's

(01:05:15):
not about fixing things, and it's not about a quick fix.
It's about a deeper transformation. I mean, all of the
Guide's books, whether or not I like it, are all
about what they call the realization of the divine Principle.
You can call it the Monad, you can call it
the Christ, you can call it the Inner Light. But

(01:05:36):
they're all about how this occurs and the stages of
realization that can be known through working with the energy
and the teachings.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
And another thing that you speak about quite often is
about beyond. Will you share a little bit about that? Please?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
About beyond it? Is that what you said? Yes, Well,
I don't share about bed. There's a series of books
called Beyond the Known Trilogy, and that was three books
beyond the Known Realization. I don't know if I remember
the other titles that have to look at the bookcase.
And I think that's about moving beyond the box of

(01:06:18):
what is expecting is what we expect reality to be
or what we've been taught reality is, because in order
to have these other experiences, you really do kind of
have to expand beyond those systems of.

Speaker 11 (01:06:34):
What can be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
So, I mean much of what I do now is
commonplace for me. It's very ordinary. I don't think of
it as special, and I think that everybody has capacity
to their own intuitive natures and to develop those things.
But until I believe that that was possible, it was
a stretch. Once you understand that these things can be so,

(01:06:56):
they become much much more available and in a much
more immediate way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
And let me just do this. Your list of books
is I Am the Word, the Book of Love and Creation,
the Book of Knowing and Worth, the Book of Mastery,
the Book of Truth, the Book of Freedom, Beyond the Known, Realization,
beyond the Known, Alchemy beyond the Known, the Kingdom Resurrection,

(01:07:23):
the Book of Innocence, and this latest one, A World
Made New. Now, this latest trilogy, it really talks about manifestation. However,
it doesn't talk about manifestation in a pedantic kind of way.
If I do this, then I get this, and you know,

(01:07:43):
then I could have the car in the Barbie house
and everything else. Will you talk a little bit about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
This please, I'll try to. You know, the guides say,
we are in alignments, for lack of a better word,
with everything in our lives already. So everything we see
is manifest everything that's an it or a circumstance we
can call manifest and that we are already in energetic accord.

(01:08:13):
And they'll say accord or they'll say acchord is on
a piano. So the idea of getting stuff is there,
but that's not what this teaching is about. They actually
talk about moving to a level of awareness and consciousness
where you begin to understand that what you need is

(01:08:33):
actually provided for you. The guides used to say to me,
there's nothing wrong with the house in the hill. Somebody
gets to live there, but why do you want it?
And if you want it so that you can be
the envy of your neighbors, you're creating in fear. And
they've said for years that the action of fear is
to claim more fear. In every choice that we make

(01:08:54):
in fear gets us more of the same. So most
of what people are trying to conjure or is born
out of some idea of what one should have. I
should have a bigger house, or I should have a
better looking partner, or my kids should go to the
right school, and I should have more money, and all
of these things can be reframed as possibilities. I think

(01:09:16):
there's nothing wrong necessarily with any of them. But much
of what we want is what we've been taught to want,
and that may have very very little to do with
who and what we actually are, what we require. So
that's my understanding of this. So the guys say that,
you know, we are our field. Our consciousness is informing

(01:09:41):
everything that we see, and they've said that from the beginning,
and I used to contest it. I would say, does
that mean if there's a book on the table in Paris,
my consciousness is informing the book on the table in Paris?
And they said, yes, the moment you know that there's
a book on the table in Paris, you're holding that
in some kind of vibrational accord. So some of the

(01:10:02):
teachings are very very simple. Who you damn and what
you damn damns your back. Who you put in darkness
calls you to that darkness. You can't be the light
and hold another in darkness. So how I hold anything
in consciousness informs my relationship to it and actually supports
that thing at that level of manifestation. This is simply

(01:10:26):
what you damn damns you back, which means what I
and they say to damn something is to put it
outside of source or God. That's what that means. So
whatever I put outside of God, I have a line
too at that level. That's what calls me to the darkness.
They also say what you bless and who you bless
blesses you in return. And they say what a blessing

(01:10:49):
is is the realization of source where it has been denied,
you know, where it does not seem to be. It's
not say, whenever there's another disaster, you know, blessings and
blessings and prayers, you know, as if that's going to
solve things. The act of realization of source where the

(01:11:10):
thing seems to be, they do say, changes the manifest world.
So they say one of the claims of truth that
they work with and which is an attunement, is I
know who I am in truth, I know what I
am in truth, I know how I serve in truth.
And they say these claims are made at the level
of the divine Self, not at the level of personality.

(01:11:32):
So the God within you always knows who and what
it is and how it serves. And the guides have
said forever now, how one serves is how one is
most fully expressed as the true self of the divine Self.
That aspect of you that already knows, that isn't seeking
to get, but is already in a chord or vibrational

(01:11:55):
union with the source of all things. So that's their teaching.
And so when we're aligned in what they call the
upper room, they say, we become receptive and always receptive
to the good that is there. We're not trying to
fix it or conjure it. We're actually aligning to what
is always present that we tend to deny at the

(01:12:17):
lower level of vibration, which they call the common field.
You know, they say that the common field, which is
reality as we experience it, is so fraught with fear
that we don't even see it anymore. One of their
recent metaphors which I liked, was they say, imagine you're
having a dinner party in a room with an enormous
painting of terrible violence, and you may be having a

(01:12:41):
lovely evening, but it's still being informed by the presence
of that painting, by that violence. It's always there informing
the landscape, and that that's how we live, and we've
become so used to it that we expect it. When
we expect, we tend to get. The guys have said,
we're really always getting what we expect, like it or not.
And that doesn't mean that I created the war, I

(01:13:04):
created the fire. It does mean that we live in
a world which we are in alignment to where such
things occur, where there is this kind of violence that
is being supported in different ways. You move to a
higher level of tone, and a lot of these things, really,
they say, dissipate. They don't. They don't. You don't experience

(01:13:25):
them in the same way because you've moved beyond that alignment.
A world made new is really about how a world
is recreated through consciousness. It's not about patching the roof.
It's about lifting beyond the roof to a new way
of being.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
So, with all of the violence and turmoil and cranked
up fear in the world, it's if I'm hearing you correctly,
it is an opportunity for us to dive into that
which would be the lower aspects, or to embrace it

(01:13:59):
from them the upper room. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, yeah, they say, you know, they I used to.
I still have questions about this stuff. But one of
their teachings when they first introduced the idea of the
upper room, which they say is the next they say,
we're operating in an octave of vibration. The common field
is an octave with its high notes and its low notes,
but it's still an octave, and everything that we experience

(01:14:23):
exists within that octave. It's our reality. I suppose somebody
might say it's a way of defining a dimension, but
the guides don't use that word often. The upper room,
they say, is simply the next octave above, and they
say any piece of music can be transposed and played
in a higher octave, and that's what they do with
their attonments. They're shifting the fields, the energetic fields, and

(01:14:47):
the physical abilities of us to be able to operate
in this higher level of tone, which is for many
people experiential. So from the upper room things can be altered.
But they've said, you can't lift the evil man to
the upper room because you have made him evil, which
means if you're aligning to somebody at that level, you're

(01:15:09):
putting him in darkness and you can't lift. So the
way to do this is to reclaim what has been
put in shadow or what is in darkness in the light.
You have to claim the presence of the divine where
it appears to be lacking. And this isn't to sort
of discount the fact that people do awful things and

(01:15:30):
people are responsible for their actions at all levels. But
what we continue to deny source in amplifies. They say
at the level of darkness that it's come as. The
only way to really shift this is through transmuting it,
which is to realize it, realizes know it as of source.

(01:15:51):
So none of this is spiritual bypassing, and none of
it is whitewashing. They often worn against that, but it
is operating at a level of consciousness where things are
made new or seen and new or seen in a
higher way, and that's challenging.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Yes, as you're saying it, My question is how you
said claim the presence of the light where it appears
to be lacking. Yeah, it's a great statement. It's phenomenal.
It gets me very excited. However, then my next thing
as well, how do I do that? What do I
do and what does that process look like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Well, the first thing the guides would say, I suspect
is you align to the upper room and there's a
series of attunements that they work with that are often
physically experienced by people. And then you go to what
they call the Upper Room. And you see what they say.
There's an aspect of you, which they call the divine
self or the Christ itself or the true self, or

(01:16:48):
the monadic or whatever name you want to call. It
doesn't really matter. That aspect of you already exists there.
The divine self is the aspect of God in you
come as you as the seed of Source. Some people
would call it the indwelling Christ. The gods usually call
it the monad, the singular aspect. It is always of
the whole. So you go to the Upper Room and

(01:17:12):
you align at that level because the monad is always
operating at that level, and there's less obstruction when you
do that. So you go there. That's my understanding. Thank you, Yeah,
that was a cough. You go there, and then what
you call to you from that level, You're not going
back downstairs to fix the problem. You're lifting things to

(01:17:35):
the higher, to the level of vibration where you were
coming to. I mean, it's it's it's what the whole
ass book is really about and how this happens. The
Book of Alchemy addresses this as well. But the Book
of Alchemy is addressing the internal darkness that we carry
first and foremost, because that has to be addressed as
part of this as well. You know, they say, you know,

(01:17:58):
if you've got something buried the basement, eventually it's going
to stick up the whole house. So you get to
do your own work in order to be able to
be of service in a higher way. So I think
if you go to their very simple presence, our simple
simple premise that source must be present in all things,

(01:18:21):
the guides have said, there is one note sung in
the entire universe that has manifest as all things, everything, inform,
everything ought. It's all of one source, but it's known
at different levels of tone or vibration, different levels of density.
This is really a teaching of restoration, of restoring things
to source, not fixing them or repairing them, because that's

(01:18:43):
all we've known how to do. The Guides say we
have been at war as a species since somebody picked
up the first rock and through it at somebody else,
and that it's been the same war under different guys
as ever since then, and that we've been at war
for so long that we expected to always be there.
We cannot imagine a world without it, so we end

(01:19:04):
up expecting it, and we always get what we expect,
So they say, the way this has changed is by
moving to a level of consciousness where war is not
an option, it is not present, It doesn't occur to you,
because why would it. You know, it's really kind of
simple if you think about it. And I don't know

(01:19:27):
that they're saying anything terribly different than other people have
said in all different disciplines. I really don't know. I
don't think that this is a new teaching. I think
that what is possibly different about it is the energetic
component that allows people to have a somewhat physical experience
of it, which changed things for me. Once I could

(01:19:50):
feel energy, things that had remained only conceptual or ideological
became a reality.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
That was what it took for me, and that started
them that night in the roof, when I could feel
the energy coursing through me. You know, I needed something
like that, and the guides, in their own way, seem
to provide something like that for those who who read
their work or you know, listen to their teachings.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
If I'm understanding correctly, it seems like you're saying this
is an incredibly complicated and incredibly simple process, depending how
you're holding the prism up and how you're allowing it
to refract light, because if you're making it curved and
multi dimensional and incredibly complex, it is if you just realize,

(01:20:39):
which is the premise of this show, by the way,
it's the model of this show is our job is
to help you realize, make real the life of your choosing.
And it seems to me like what you're saying is,
or what the guides are saying is exactly that is
that once you realize it is. So is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Yeah? I think that's a nice way of putting it.
You know, they've even started working in the book that's
not even out yet, Divine Union, talking about the limitations
of our concepts of God, which are so sort of
fraud and laden with historical data and history, and they

(01:21:26):
say it simply is God, Simply is it is. That
was a mind blower. Once I had the beginning of
that experience, we just sort of realized that everything just
is source expressed in different ways, and that's a game changer.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
One of the most powerful things that I could teach people,
and I'm teaching myself simultaneously, is the phrase I am
that is That's it. That's it. That's great, no more,
no less. I am that is and I think that's
and so the idea of this trilogy being about manifestation again,

(01:22:03):
it's not about the things, It's about instead recognizing, realizing
the presence of all. If I was taught in a
Lakota way that says your needs are always provided for
and your wants have a cost, and I'm hearing you
say something very similar, and yet beyond that, it's sort

(01:22:24):
of if you believe that to be so, it is
you are creating this reality based on what you are,
who you are, how you think, and also where you
put as evidence by being put in a room that
has a violent painting hanging over and then it does
influence energetically where you are. So it's vital for you

(01:22:48):
to ask for each of us to access one of
the greatest gifts that we have, which is the gift
of choice. And in doing that we are are really
opening ourselves up. And there are so many things about
this book that I want to dive into, but we're
going to take a short break and when we come back.

(01:23:10):
There's two things that are really really vital that struck me.
One is recognition that we're talking a lot about right now,
and the other one that is huge is beyond Separation.
We are Inner Journey with Greg Friedman and our guest
this evening is Paul Sellig, and we'll be back right

(01:23:31):
after this short break.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
There's something happened in here. What it isn't exactly clear.
The man with the gumb over there telling me I
got to you where.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
This time start?

Speaker 7 (01:24:22):
Hell?

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
What's that sound?

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Everybody?

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Look?

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
What's going down.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
The battle line being drunk?

Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
Nobody's right, everybody's from young people speaking their mouths, getting
so much resistance from bedavious.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Lord, what's that sound?

Speaker 12 (01:24:57):
Everybody looked with a bone. Can't help my people lining

(01:25:25):
ny lot in the street love so fat?

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
I want nose really on us, Sir, I said, Hey,
what's that sound?

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Everybody loves? What's ballen?

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
This is Greg Braydon and you're looking to Inner Journey
with Greg Freeman.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
And tonight we have the pleasure of hanging out with
Paul Sellig. Paul Sellig is one of the premier channels
who was alive today. He has written a dozen books, well,
he has channeled a dozen books, is in the process
of writing one of his own and channeling a thirty
teeenth book, which is amazing. Paul, welcome back. And before

(01:27:15):
we go any further, I just want to express gratitude.
You are kind and generous and insightful, and I appreciate
I appreciate being able to learn from you and with you.
Thank you, Thank you. Now, one of the things that
I teased before we left for break was the concept
of recognition, and I'm just going to start with the

(01:27:38):
beginning of that chapter because it's it to me is
incredibly poignant. What stands before you today in an awakened
state is a realization that what has been before you
was a requirement for your growth. Just that sentence alone
rocks my world. You can no longer go about saying

(01:27:59):
that terror thing happened, or that horrible incident or that
awful man or woman. You actually claim them in a
frightened way. And any choice made in fear will continue
to be fearful. And this is so We talked about
this a little bit earlier. However, in this world today,
where so many things are reflecting that exact sentiment, can

(01:28:25):
you expound on that a bit more? Please?

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Well, I mean it's not a popular teaching, you know,
we have people do pretty awful things to one another,
and very painful things happen. In one of the early books,
which is I think was the Book of Mastery. Early on,
the Guide said you can't be a victim and a
master at the same time, And that's really about how

(01:28:54):
we self identify, I think, more than anything else. It's
not denying that people get victimized, but when one claims
that as an identity, one perpetuates that reality again and
again and again. And I think that what the Guides
may be saying here is that if we can look

(01:29:15):
at everything that we're experiencing as opportunity, we can actually
work with it in a productive way. If I feel
that I'm being attacked by it, my first I guess
opportunity or choice is probably to defend. But if I
can see what the opportunity for my own growth and

(01:29:35):
learning is, it becomes something different. And that's the best
I think I can do right now. Without actually looking
back at the chapter. I'd have to go to the
Guides and see if they want to take it on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
And I don't know that I'm ready to do that tonight,
okay now, because I'm a little dense. Sometimes I'm just
going to ask this directly. I don't know if I'm
ready to do that tonight. Are you saying that you
don't would prefer not to? And if you are, I
absolutely support that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I think, you know, let me just see what I hear. Yeah,
not a good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
I just had a very long day. It's the evening
for me now, so I don't know that I want
to tune in because I think once they show up,
they're not going to shut up. That's my experience.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Okay, all right, then let's go to unfoldment if you
don't mind, is that? Okay?

Speaker 11 (01:30:22):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
What stands before you today in a realized state is
a mission to procure the evidence of the new to
be in reception to what is beyond the old template,
beyond the old idea of what should be. When you
say yes to this, you actually invite your experience to

(01:30:43):
claim you in higher octaves, same question, will you expand
on that a little bit? Please?

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
I mean again, you know, I'm a stenographer of this.
I'm not the teacher, so they're not my teachings. Like,
the best I can offer you is my general understanding
of what was being said, and that's, you know, the
uncomfortable role that I'm often in with this thing because
I'm really not the author. So would you just read
that sentence again so I can hear it, and I'm

(01:31:11):
going to step.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Out of the way absolutely differently. What stands before you
today in a realize state is a mission to procure
the evidence of the new to be. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
So the idea here, and it's an idea that they've
spoken about a lot, is that the personality structure knows
itself entirely through historical data. That's all that it knows
what it's been taught, what it's experienced, and what it
expects to be there. So what they're inviting us to
do here, I believe is working at a level where behold,

(01:31:48):
I make all things new, which is one of the
teachings of the book. It's actually an atonement becomes present.
You're seeing with a new vision and a new perspective
that is not informed by the data of history. It's
a bigger teaching because they did a whole book on
it called the Book of Innocence, where they really talked
about the idea that the divine self, for the true

(01:32:11):
self or the monad, actually has never known fear, has
never been known itself in a state of separation from source.
But the personality self has accrued enormous evidence to support
the idea of separation. So the invitation here is to perceive,
anew to re see. Now, every chapter I think in

(01:32:35):
this last book, and maybe the last series of books,
begin with some claim like in a realized state, or
you know, when we see you as you real truly are.
They're teaching to the aspect of each of us that
is already awakened to this truth. Not the aspect of
us that's aspiring to get there, but the part of

(01:32:57):
us that already knows. That's what's being in here. So
this is less, I want to say, an education for
the personality, an invitation for the aspect of you that
already knows to come forward and enact itself. So the
God within you, they would suggest, has never known itself

(01:33:18):
in separation, and the God within you realizes that God
within all things, because God sees God in all of
its creations. And the claim that they work with which
is behold, I make all things new, is a claim
of reclamation. You do this from what they call the
upper room. I think the order is I am in

(01:33:39):
the upper room, and they say, or we say, I
have come, I have come, I have come, which is
the mona out of the Divine Self expressing itself in
its purview from the level of vibration that they call
the upper room. And then the claim is, behold, I
make all things new, which is how it enacts itself,
how the divine Self, as you, claims the source of

(01:34:02):
all things in all of its experience. So it doesn't
mean that the chair isn't the chair, but the chair itself,
and the experience in the chair is of source and
not separate from it. We begin to move to a
level of vibration or awareness where we're beginning to experience
the idea of union or the experience of union.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
The other aspect that I keep hearing in this is
requesting some level of amnesia, and that's not even quite correct.
One of the things that I talk about when I'm
working with people is if you walk into the room knowing,
then you are excluding yourself from discovery. And what I

(01:34:45):
hear when I read this chapter, I heard that that
basically you have to let go of what was in
order to discover what is. And if you go in
with that idea of Oh, I know how this goes.
It's akin to judging. I'm gonna slap a big label
on this, and then it is this and I no

(01:35:08):
longer have to be present with it. Instead, I've judged it,
and I have on some level deprived myself of being
alive because now it's a it is instead of it's
this thing, instead of this presence that that is reality reflective.

(01:35:29):
For lack of a better way of saying it, Am
I close? Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Yeah? I think that's pretty much it. So it's not
I understand it this way. So if I say that's
an ugly couch, I'm claiming the couch through my lens
of history and what I think is a value or
what is not a value. I mean, you know, the

(01:35:54):
cheap watch and the expensive watch both tell time, but
we've decided which is more important. And this is historical data.
This is basically what we call evidence from and so
we're always sort of recreating these ideas without moving beyond them.
And I think that's what they're encouraging us to do.

(01:36:14):
I mean, amnesia is a strong word, but innocence is
a good word. So when I went up to the
roof of that building, back in nineteen eighty seven thinking
that I could be woken up because had nobody told
me that things like that couldn't happen. I didn't have
a lot of baggage. I didn't have any religious baggage really,
except that I thought it was all probably stupid. When

(01:36:38):
I had that experience, I created the possibility for something
by saying that it could be. So it was a possibility.
And as long as we're cementing again and again our
ideas of what things have been and and what they
should be based on again an old premise, we missed
the opportunity to experience to me, which is present as well.

(01:37:00):
When things are re seen as of source, they're actually
re experienced and we can move into a level of
congruence or alignment to that at a higher level. I
don't know if this is making sense, but it's the
best I can do.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Absolutely, And do you mind if I just give it
back to you in my own words and see if
I'm in alignment. What I hear you saying is even
using the word innocence, is is infers innocent loss or
innocence reclaimed. And it's that instead, it's about allowing yourself

(01:37:36):
to be strong enough to go in with curiosity, and
in doing that, then you get to understand that there
are possibilities everywhere and anywhere. Doesn't obligate you to the possibilities.
It simply allows you to read from a dramatically larger
menu of items on the list or items on the

(01:38:01):
available for dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Well, no, okay, this is where you are right now.
Do you ever have any idea of where you are
intending to go? Do you have any idea of your
interactions with guides and what you'd like that dynamic to

(01:38:29):
look like.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
You know, I don't think about it a lot. Truthfully,
I don't think about channeling when I'm not channeling or
having to talk about it. I mean, it's a present
part of my life. It's not a hobby. It's not
something that I feel that I'm pursuing. I feel that
I show up for my part. My life has been

(01:38:55):
enormously changed as a result of this work. There's no
way to deny that. But my aspirations now I'm sixty three,
which shocks me that that happen, and I kind of
want peace, you know, I aspire to a kind of

(01:39:16):
simplicity now that I didn't even think I would ever desire.
And I take great comfort in the beauty of my
surroundings where I live, and the dogs that you know,
I love, and the walks that I take. And I'm
in a very odd moment now because I'm actually reliving
my entire history and how all this stuff happened as

(01:39:38):
I'm doing my best to try to write about it.
And really it's a little bit like doing a life review,
which is not all joyful because my path has not
been a flowery one. My path was not that easy,
and I admire people who have it another way. But
I've sometimes talked about my spiritual growth like going through

(01:40:00):
a windshield of a car and finding yourself in a
highway where you can't read the signs. You know, it
was really something for me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
That's a very violent description what I was. Helped me understand,
that helped me recognize what that looked like in actuality.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
If you don't it wasn't It wasn't a flowering.

Speaker 7 (01:40:21):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Kind of being thrown into another kind of reality. Now,
in my case, there were reasons for that. I was
twenty five years old, I was newly sober, I was
out of school. For the first time, I couldn't write,
which had been my work anymore. I felt that I couldn't.
At least for a while. Everybody that I knew seemed

(01:40:46):
to be dying of AIDS. It was the height of
the epidemic. My school friends, my friends, my lovers, people
were going right, left and sideways. And I was suddenly
opening up to this idea of God in the midst
of total chaos, and that actually became the still center

(01:41:07):
for me, and this awareness of source. And I was
granted some experiences which kept me on the path with it.
But I didn't go to a crystal store and say, Wow,
this sounds nice. And I didn't go to a tarot
reader and say and say, oh, you mean I can
be a channel? How cool?

Speaker 7 (01:41:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Everything that came to me, I feel, in some ways
was kind of an earned experience. Now, I will also
say that my own personality, especially at that time of
my life, probably was invested in it being hard. You know,

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there's an old thing that people say about you don't
have to walk to the altar unbroken glass anymore. And
I might have missed that memo. But my experience at
that time, which was poverty, you know, I mean, really,
I was a breath away from the street. When I
look back at that time in my life and I,

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you know, had just had a master's degree from an
Ivy League school.

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
It was nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
But this is what happened. You know, it was my experience,
and I'm grateful for all of it. I have to
say I questioned the road that I took some times,
because I might have wound up in a very different life,
or I might have wound up dead the way that
I was going. But you know, none of this was

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because I thought it would be nice to get spiritual.
That wasn't it. It wasn't on the menu of how
I grew up. I didn't know what a spiritual life was,
or that one could have one, or why one would
even want one. It's just what happened, and acclimating to
that was deeply challenging and continues to be some days.

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You know, I'm not walking on water. I'm doing my thing,
hopefully with integrity because that's really important to me, and
hopefully helping other people. But what other people take away
from this work is kind of their business. You know,
I'm not there to fix people. Hopefully I can be
of some support, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Going to do this one more time. The list of
books is I Am the Word, the Book of Love
and Creation, the Book of Knowing and Worth, the Book
of Mastery, the Book of Truth, the Book of Freedom,
Beyond the Known, Realization, Beyond the Known, Alchemy, which is
one of my faves, Beyond the Known, the Kingdom Resurrection,

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also Love and the Book of And I love this trilogy,
This whole trilogy is something really spectacular. And the latest
book A World Made New. Go to Paul Selig dot com.
Selig is spelled se Lig and Paul. I am loath
to say that we are at the last question of

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the evening. Is there anything that you'd feel remiss and
if you didn't share with our listeners?

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
No, you know, no, not remiss.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
I hope when I translate to teachings as best I
know how that it's clear. You know, I come with
information now from all of these texts, and at times
it all feels like one big book, which in some
ways I suppose it is, so parsing it by definition
can sometimes be a challenge, So hopefully it was understood.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
You are incredibly brilliant and articulate, and thank you. I
am again. I can't say thank you enough. I'm incredibly
grateful to you. You are You do brilliant work, and
you allow yourself to be of service in ways that
are sometimes arduous and many many times rewarding, not only

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to yourself but many many other people in this world.
We've had the pleasure Paul Sellig on Inner Journey. Thank
you and good night, Paul. Thanks for having me all right,
you guys you know the gig. There are so many
people that work their booties off to put this program on.
Thank you all, y'all, and if you have questions, please

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feel free to email at Inner Journey, Greg Friedman at Gmail.
And most of all, this show is all about gratitude.
This show does not exist without you, the listening audience.
For that and so so much more. I we are

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hugely grateful you've been listening to Inner Journey with Greg Friedman.
Good Night,