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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All even meaning and dealing are in the sack.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I mean, I'm not trying to anyway impure and sinewy
that this is the case. I mean, I've just been
asked this, and I've thought of this myself, and I honestly,
I don't know. Sometimes I wonder sometimes Uh No, I
I'm doubt, but I d I don't. I can't say.
I mean, either it was extremely incompetent to in this.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I mean, and and and.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And stupid and this is the way he is, or
he pretended to be, or he just made honest mistakes.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I don't know. I I've tried to make It was not.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Saying with Big Haida, but waste the energy in time,
but left there in the next way of home.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, it depends how you look at it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
If I felt that that perhaps that there was uh
ads orbaillance or that lived under jermaillans, uh, I think
I would have done the same. I mean, rather than
take a chance to drive him blind, you know, or
or oh, of course we didn't stop anyone who states
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Your Florida areas were we would be.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Coming their most surveillance, you know, this type of thing.
I think I would have done the same. If I
found you know that uh there was uh you know,
heavy surveillance. I think I would have left the trailer area,
I mean somewhere in some safe place. Anyhow, I don't
think I woulda taken a chance in building and getting it,
you know, losing the things.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
How long did uh Seymourt stay with him?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know, uh Seymour stood the arm from the time
they left uh Miami, which.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Uh I guess was actually roughly the I don't know
what figgured out. Let's see, uh we left for about
the eleven and fourth of Balns. It took for two
three days, I.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Would say roughly, you would take about the twenty uh.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Twenty five, twenty sixth something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'll tell 'em when they left, Tell when they left out?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, when they uh young young when they went No,
uh uh when they left Miami to go back to Dallas?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
What when?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
When?
Speaker 6 (01:55):
When would that be? Were you when that I was
at eighteenth after the uh uh around the eight think
about it?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
No, con well, we left uh Dallas to go down
about the uh I would say about the tenth of
October nineteen tenth. Ride or Cummer thinks a couple of
days of arripose about the what say in the national way, Uh,
Hall's going back right, well this time.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Of sema right.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well, then what he apparently did because the registration.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
Uh at the YMCA was within twenty four hours of
the erassitus of Seymour Hall the apparently the hall on.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Seymour rested uh registered at the YMCA has.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Called them the Howard. Yes, this is what I did
it Now, that's apparently what happened. To see why was
she going out of union at all?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You know more Seymours Uh at the time we were,
he was a friend that my hunger was pretty close.
Uh I thought, Uh my first impression, like when I
heard that uh U had stated that I was registered
there was Hall I used my name.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
This is why I was.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Interested in finality college regis.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I never occurred to me that Bill would have used it.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But apparently this seems to be the case that yeah, yeah,
I did in twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, because I I uh, I wasn't there at all.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I Oh and then the when did they come back?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I don't even for sure when they came back, but
uh I I don't remember for sure, but it was
uh right about that time.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
I guess we uh, well you have uh in town
of witnesses again when I find it even cause uh
holl a hospital.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I remember when he seemed to be a witness, was
that there was a lot of information, but he was definitely.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Back in Dallas again in November. UH thought it was
some witnesses. Did you have any idea of what else?
Time and the schedule was or returned to Dallas again?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I did?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It wasn't work? I mean did he leave? You mean
after him and Seymour? Yeah, they went back to Miami and.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Uh Whilly was back in Dallas in November.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, I have no number, I asked y U uh.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Have you put it now a twenty secon or anything
like that? Or it say we've had web system to
say this all November.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No, I have no knowledge that at all.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Did they seen what was the cooperative? Or lots of
you would talk to him?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I I I would think so, I would think they
live in Banks or did they?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I heard his in Tucson. I if you want I
I I think I've got his address. I don't know
if it's a correct good like that? Has it been
get shot?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
How long is this is?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The latest ones I did get.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Any way, I was thinking of it well known, but
I wouldn't you call it be a second ge.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
See what cooperative? Well, I would can well being a cooperative,
But I mean hop about.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
The poblems cause all the announcements that you all did
as all though.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Okay, here's the last one I got. It's uh twenty
eight twenty two West Alborough Drive, which traded by the
Alboro A, M B A R OH Drive to something
I don't want. I don't wanna, uh know, I give him.
I mean, I think they'll be cooperative, but uh, I
(05:15):
don't wanna you know, feel the day. Okay, you got
a picture of the house with a bag, Well.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I same talking. I don't I'm not I want you less.
I'm not an informer now.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh h, I just tell me uh of the big
I don't have to feel that way.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Have you ever seen this house?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
That's soon.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Take 'em from an alleys and back.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's a bag of General Walker's house.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
No, I don't at that's for a minute. I haven't
been in the back of the just I don't know
why Wink's house. I didn't hm what'd uh.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
What did uh Hall say about how would end moved
down the walker or haven't visited yet?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I I I mean, I think you mentioned the words
one time. Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Where's the effect on the time that he had met
General Walker went? I it just met him, that's all.
I didn't see any twitch about him. I think I
recall not not certain. I'm pretty sure though you said
he had.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Made Did you ever have a feeling insted in low?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Was it froun for somebody else? And how they have
a bigger backer or a contact or.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
That you wasn't doing a source of money or did
the holler or edicate that?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Uh, I only mind, Like I said, I met mister
WoT one time and there was nothing disgusting me. Uh,
this is one took the trifal to or something and
parted with them. But uh, from what I've gathered, I
mean the this is a lot of this is uh
Hall matst Uh Yeah, uh made uh statements about about this.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
A lot of this was just kind of what my
personal think is that.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I think there was some kind of uh oilman uh
or type connection there. I mean, how about as all
huh well, Hall's m uh was mentioned to him. He
said he knew 'em and uh he met other oil
men at some kind of petroleum clubs or some country club.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Some m that he made his speech, you know, but uh,
I don't That's all I can give you that.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Well, if you met uh Walker, if you don't know
Walker other than that concert somewhere.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know if you met Hunt, but I think
he mentioned him that.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Uh he might have made him or some of this
because he said he attended a or made a speech
at at uh a country club where some of the
oilman I think, uh, something like this petroleum when you
watch some something.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I sort remember him saying something about.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It not too much.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What was this sky weep?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
His name?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
He's coming up California.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Uh. I met him prior to our live in Los
Angeles area. This is where it's lots more in kind
of knowledge time. This is where we picked up the
trailer and uh left him. What kind of weapons do
you have? They were all legal?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
They not I'm under any other hobby b tides Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Uh he we had import to yeah, thirty caliber and
there was a scoope on two. This has been bobbed. Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
There was a school weapon and there was uh in
one s standard in one grands and uh importing uh
modified uh strictly uh uh excuse strictly semi though? How
many of rather we had about sixteen uh long arms
all together?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What do they who provided them? Some of them came
from our Picago arms.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Have watched Urchiagua Arms Company one Orchiago?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
How do you spell that? Yeah? Uh, let's see RK
something like that. It's on uh city industry. He was
he was why name what is that?
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He was Uh he's a Cuban.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Uh he was uh the uh top uh armist uh
ordinance man for Fidel Castro. What do you watch? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
And then he's he switched, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
He switched and uh started.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I don't know he's supposed to it, but I know
I met him through home.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Do you connect it with we? I don't think so.
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't believe
he was theack with Tom Gale. I don't know if
he was or not.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Uh the.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Uh what did we have to do?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Was he provide some alms or no?
Speaker 7 (09:37):
We?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Uh? From what I've gathered from UH, what I found.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Out is town I where is tim about oh pee's
uh that talbot?
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Yeah, I played very stats.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Do you have International operation has any day?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Do you mind your sist down?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
No? I think he's he just stuff with us. Uh,
there's dog. What do you say? Thing's interesting?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What? Uh?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
What?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Uh? What was this?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
What did he do with sixty three? I mean what
was uh?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, I don't know what he was doing well, I
mean was he uh uh something in that you went playing?
Or I don't know if he's something at you or anything.
I know that you know tall, I don't uh what
what did amunsters?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
They used to Uh? I think he belonged or some
kind of uh what is it organization?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You know, Christian or some kind of Uh, I'm not certain,
but they used to have meanings at his house, used
to hand out those shares. Last time I seen him,
he was uh active on marching to Washington and this
was in I think sixty four organizing cam Uh. I
guess they used to have means.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Are after what's waits Kindash was long in the hal.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I don't know how they met or anything.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Uh he.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Waits Uh it's uh.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I guess just helped him. I mean, uh, they used
his house to wait rich No, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So what did it? Did it big?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Was it a fair description of the week?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Did you say he's uh a conservative? Uh?
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Uh a guy who's kind of is it in action
and uh in doing something or rather than others.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
His uh uh an actor that saw that?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Or yeah, I think it would be uh a fair
description that he was interested in doing something too? That
Why did I go an anti communist from Yeah?
Speaker 7 (11:24):
One thing I was uh surprised about was uh when
the Bradley made the public statement that he didn't uh
didn't know Lauren Hall, because uh, we know a number
of different people over the Metal Hall through Gene Bradley,
and that I Braday's introviusion is Lorenzo Pascidio.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And uh do you know any reason why Bradley would
to say he did not know Holler?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Or no none?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
As a matter of fact, all that no, I.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Wasn't aware of is to just recently that uh that
they didn't didn't know what each other or or people
have say much and I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Know what they did or did.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
How did you know the Hall New Week?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Because Hall took me down the huts using what was
the how you used for? I told you some kind
of that they had means it was uh anti communist
type uh organization. I guessaid I I'm not that keen
on the background of what.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
No varaji. All you had it was reloaded equipment.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I mean, this is just uh it's nothing you know extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
About people care, arms and munitions.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, uh, I never seen any He he had reloading
equipment and that was it. Eating day, reloaded a lot
of animal how much reloading?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
We just had just a standard Uh, I mean nothing
you know belongs.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
To that right, just wanna set at home. There's nothing
I mean we want send actually even reloaded enough A
lot don't down. But it was a nothing No uh
no big set.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Of butt any time.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I haven't been in California since.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Uh most of this uh reason actually the comments uh
uh uh Do you know whether uh holler said anything
about knowing Bradley?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
No? Ye, I see No, I mean I don't I
don't remember. You don't of your own all? What do
they that? No, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
I judge that you know, do you bridates, because because
you're one up in the picture, there is a resemblance.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uh yeah, well not well, how were.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You going to be a Briday Well just mad him
that when the first time in court, the first and
only time, and required that anything I knew about him, it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Is his news, Uh, the newspapers picture and uh that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Why do you contact Why haven't you ever contacted him?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You're a lawyer?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, lawyer?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
That that was mister Jimson Whit whit didd Brither.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
That with his favor.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Mean, what what do you think that I think that
this I left for Mexico on Christmas Day?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think just shortly before that.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think this is when uh east or east of
pinion him or something or wanted to extrad him. I
think this is when I first became a word.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Friday, do you do you have anything to find in Mexico?
You're friends? Uh huh uh huh uh do.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
You know about uh any trips to Mexicolo than any
of these people were talking about those in sixtieth great?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Uh No, how about uh Jeryo Patrick camp Well? I
I don't know for sure, but I think in sixty three, I, uh.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Was it about all that's October?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I'm not certain that they they uh the insurance and
it was a commonology because it came out of the.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Paper in TV in Miami area.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
They uh the insurance of financing uh uh financing him
the who looked for Alexander working.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
This was a great chandors and.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Uh yeah it's fair. Yeah, but uh, I think that
was very uh uh bale fans name.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I think a riam rest it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I think I think it was uh Enrico Molina. Uh
uh I I've seen his name in this somewhere. I
think was supposed to w blew him down there. I'm
not certain of this rica who uh Molna. I'm not
certain though, that's what I hurt and uh I I
he may have been and there may have I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
It just may have uh been in.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Mexico at that time.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I don't know. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I'm not certain.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Do you have that ask if you a uh All
and rip uh All says he knew him. Guy, I
think I remember all standing in New Molan.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, you ever anything about chers you ork a All?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Don you?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I know Malini used to work, I mean back and
forth jump around between Miami and New York.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
No, I don't know what who you aund? No, he
used to jump around ah to Miami in New York.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Uh what about Howard Davis?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Did you get one? Yeah? Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
What?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
What's Davis star?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
What he?
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Uh no matter of I underst uh he was in
cure with Jerry.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He was supposed to be a roll Castro's personal pilot
and they both affected.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Uh I don't know together or what, but he and Jerry.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
When I uh in uh, I think it was uh
November octwol sixty two that I went down there and
uh threw and or joined his group.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
They were the uh leaders of the group, Davis and
uh and Patrick that day was wit like uh hm,
he's about five uh.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Five ten kind of chunky, you say, about a hundred
and eighteen a hundred Uh you know about hundred and
eighty ninety.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Right, and then what kind of uh what was it?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Holler like inflected like Blondie here and or sand uh.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Sing by right?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, town holler about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, I understand, Yeah, he's real good.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I understand he's uh uh flying between Miami and Vietnam
cargo over.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
So, I guess he has to be good to get
a commercial license. I guess what's kari of Patrick?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
He's in your alley are again he's working.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Understand.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Do you ever have uh Frank Fogs no holler, you
ever have occasion that uh neither hear of David Barrock?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
No not, I mean none too? Yeah, oh list plays?
How about the name Marty able av e l other
Marty gwent a a h abe. I don't think so.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
Do you know?
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Well if uh Gery Patrick ever let to go out
of Martin's, that's a great Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I don't know, not in sixty three.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I think it was in uh sixty two or sixty one.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I've got uh. I think you've got a copy of
don't you what right? You've a free free background? I
haven't okay, I think you've got copy of that's he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Want to have that?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Oh yeah, no it kay? You have manual manual pist
I do you remember si man of whom Parks was here? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I don't think some on the customers.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
How real is it? I think plus were plus what
ea get uh right? Change the language remembers you made
any that you.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Manilation one man that uh keeps stopping up in the case.
That's uh very interesting, is uh uh very short? Uh?
The stocky Latin uh was very interesting to the scar
on the left one is left eyebros. Does that make
(18:48):
the discuss of anybody you know?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And how was that? You don't have a picture, Well,
they don't have a picture of listener h this because
you saw that contain it's very Uh what is scar
left out?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That mistake? Right off hand? I can't I don't recall
anybody you ever said that was gone something about it? Oh?
Right off fantasy tell me about n have the other
discussed the uh atigation of these?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Tell the vagations that you good hold?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
No, well, haven't see other thoscots that never How do
you think.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
He knew about her apartment?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Was what her apartment might want? Or I don't know.
I don't know. It's you totably have the eye. I
didn't tell him it was a quite accurate information about it.
How one I I don't know. I've tried. I've tried,
uh retracing.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Uh you know our steps, you know, uh.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Supposedly as I know, we seen some American mom and
uh we want to see somebody else, but they went home.
I don't remember. Uh can you remember what you married?
The women you went to see? N?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I I don't I tried, I tried to uh picture
the names. Uh the only thing that uh uh standing
in stances with my mind. One of 'em, I think
it was uh. I didn't meet her, but the two
went on one of their girlfriends I think was uh
somebody Jerry Patrick, m Gon Howard, something like this.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I I'm not certain now if.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I recall, I think uh in one of his later statements,
one of a number of James statements, one of the
later statements in the Hall then say it was not
uh uh seeing more the wha ego they one was
a long time where than my ego?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Is that possible that?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, I I don't, I don't remember it. S mean,
I mean aside from.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Do you ever see a a lady with a hall
at my ego?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No? Uh, they don't. Just the American the American ladies
of boy, he don't I the view of us gid
do you think they mark? Yeah, strictly, I mean, no,
no doubt of of anything.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
But the American woman who was that?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
You?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well, one of 'em had a uh, a young daughter,
a teenage daughter, and the other one I don't uh
does Bill that though? No? No, Bill Bill wasn't with
us at all? What did they wanted had a teenage daughter?
Look like I don't remember. I else I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Did you talk uh English?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And there was no a lotin Oh?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
No, no, there there's there's no dot. I mean I
could be mistaken, but it's ye, I'm concerned. I mean
there there's no dogs. What's well?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Post of all the uh one of those evenings was
all uh that have gone?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
And uh was somebody else? Uh? For example? Was there
any other uh latins? That was what occasional? Ago? You
m the only ath what another uh have you said?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Lock mister Carson, I don't know 'em. I mean, I
honestly don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You well 'em every night?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
No, they weren't with 'em all the time. I mean, uh,
like I said, various times day and night. Uh you
would either argue with him with the three of us
to be together or uh or the or or we
wouldn't be there?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Did you ever go in that period?
Speaker 7 (22:03):
As Paul Ever was a uh young American who was
about Seymour's size when Seemoa was a fan to working
in Florida.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Seamore is you know?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Is uh family not versall?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
H all?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Was?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
He? Ever?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Was another America no, not, I don't remember meeting I
s a'say from Yeah. Uh while he Uh why the Yates?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Uh do you remember that? Why do that? Yeah? I
I I remember him vaguely.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Oh, yes, then but yeah I had a stall.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
He's he he's taller than then.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He's taught.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think he's tarter than the bill.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Uh the bill was around five. Did you say the
neighborhood shot? Yes, you must be a fard ten or
a lot These are a hold you.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
How many times did you allow see Yates?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
One time? Some time?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But is there any particular function or reason for that business? No?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
He said it was a friend of his and one
h How old did you stay last before?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Uh? I just uh about f M.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I would say about ten days.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Do you ever take that wherever it was that?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I don't remember the name of the motels that though. Yeah,
there was a more town this I liked. I made
uh a click call from there to my hands.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So do you remember Rocky right a walk? Yeah? It
was off Fuh there was uh with a mile so
there was Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I didn't mo air park cause you remember one time
the pet through it some big, huge park and then
uh it was off the.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Uh a freeway. Uh ran a couple of branches there
over a bridge and there and it was artry right and.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
There was uh little riding stand there's.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Out huh in a couple of washing you can't remember
it was an Alice Soppen.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
No, well, it just lives by there.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Did you ever have a games on the stuff there?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
No longs at all.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, just the one time i'd go over there. It
was in June, roughly fourth right on the sixty things.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Did say overnight?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
No, huh street through?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
No fall ever came. Yeah. I don't recall him saying.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So how about Patrick?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah? Patrick?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Is hearing interesting that they's.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Uh makes so secret about the fact that he's spend
here with Howard.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Davis, for example, going over the training area in north Way.
I had heard some of that. Did you ever hear
aything about that training area? I think there was an
article written. I think it was in the Dallas newspaper.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
This is I think the somebody said something about it
about him and uh that he had to train the
camp or something.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
But I ain't. I don't know about the camera.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Uh well, let me show you the picture of the
two men uh uh walking and one of 'em one
that they resemble.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
I think that did. Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
We asked you whether or.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Not the the the uh smaller person looked familiar or not?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
No one is in fact him?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, yes, yes, me doesn't.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Come out no, no you I mean you asked me, Yeah, no,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
It doesn't look really anyway about that?
Speaker 7 (25:00):
What a picture they man with a smart uh going
to the car. Just tell me what that do you
put in? The car had on the kind of black
ring got.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Let me ask you one more question about the hotel.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
You say it was just off the freeway?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Is it this?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Is that the same freeway that you could you go
out of Dallas toward Miami.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I don't remember, though, if I was up there behind it,
I I I think I could kind of it, but
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Tell me in tell me into your uh Dallas. You
were coming to the Los Angles, right, huh?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And mayde do the lot?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I w I think if I remember it's I would
say something the oscits leaving went off, passed down more
passed it downtown.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yes, you know this could be checked though, I mean,
uhuh if you could, cause I made a collection. I
don't know if it's what you was in trouble. But
I mean I I did make a collect.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Call from there to to my wife. I don't know
if you know.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm pretty sure it's still have it on record and
I had the Yeah, they receive up to I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
How long may you register on your own name? I
think so?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You usually regular AMA name?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Do howks with Carrol? Because hen won't want to have
the money?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Who's hand right.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Of the good show? Well?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Uh, this guy looks so man averybody? Who's because I
think it I was showing a picture of him though.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
You pick your gaming. Yeah, yeah, you said he looked
the order good like young man. He still looks a mad.
Speaker 10 (26:49):
How do you show those pictures that be that you
high grades did show your Now you can't see him?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Uh? No, when you first gave me to put your children,
give who looked for the HIMY still have some mean
but uh that's some.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
That no.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Ostle Uh Ostle's mascow visions seems to have occurred. Uh
seems to begun relaship Uh about the end of September
sixty three. By October third, Uh, these registered the YMCA dollars.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Just happy about time? What do you know? Uh? Are
any other individuals that were in Mexico at the same.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Time a hostiles start.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
No, I don't think they A. Do you know of
any individuals who might that?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
No, I say from maybe uh Pat Trick. I mean, uh,
I don't know. I don't know about that area of
different I'm.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Going that way of risings another way. You arrived in Dallas?
Uh October third, or let's see go before that, because
you're there or October.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Thir in Dallas? Yeah? Yes, Uh well, dif me.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
While you're there about especially around the third, can you
recall anybody r else arriving in Dallas?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Who might have been in Mexico?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
H Did the hating show up while you were there
in in Dallas?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah? No, why me?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Did anybody else appear?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Real?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You wanna go? Oh? No? When did you decide to
come to Dallas in California? Uh? Oh, I guess a
couple of weeks before that. Whose idea was it? Uh? Honks?
He was kind of the idea, man.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well, I mean, uh it, it's it seems like I'm fa.
I'm not like I told you when I got a
DOWNFESTI was really long when I got back, you know,
I called him and came over and say, mean he
told me what he had and what he wanted to do,
And I said, okay, I'll throw under you.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
And I mean we left, we left the LA area
and uh we went to Dallas.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
We came to the ways, not the Wise but the
out pass, and we stopped there and we went across
the border and had them to eat a few drinks,
and we crossed back when he came straight in.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Uh when did he go? And s and see low?
What day was it?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Afore the third?
Speaker 5 (29:29):
No more?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Cause I think if I remember correctly, I think I
don't win. But I don't remember what we I don't
rememb what time we got in. But it wasn't Uh,
it wasn't right away. I mean it was within a
couple of days old of of us getting there Dallas.
Well then the uh and you left playing What the
days you left Dallas?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah? Uh, I I would say, roughly by October the
uh tenth ride and there give her.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Take any special reason why you all stayed at Dallas
so long after you saw well over?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I mean it was what else was he doing? I
don't know you? I mean, he like I said, see
he hadn't it was his show.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
In other words, he had gotten the days together Laney
the goodies, and he was, you know, taken care of
the finances there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So it was his show.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
And uh from the first time when when when went
to see log that they kept me out of the car,
I mean they kept me in the car right of
him and uh uh I got a wren there. He
didn't want me to meet uh his contacts or uh
so he was running the show.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I mean that this is it. This is not you know,
ask him about that. This These are the facts.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
You know he ever went to the Yams and you
guys going up there.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
No, he's looking for a couple of childrens Uh, I
can't think of that name and one of 'em not, man,
I can't think of it right now. Uh, I just
can't think of his name right now. Well, pop up
in him home. He wanted to make contact with him
son like something that seemed think they were.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
In Dallas at that No, where did he seem to
feel at the study, say.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Was seeing hurt?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You want any state Morris, see a load up in
the crystal building a summer.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
See the newspaper, no think uh yeah, no, no, see
any gude ors guyls, no cause just I a number.
I love the fires.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You know, did you ever find out who this guy was?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Especially saying out.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
No I, I I assume that it was uh lower
through the little lower some of this, But no, I
don't don't lose make Northans too.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
But all I can recall though, unless year when you
a lot of times you saw in uh Miami and Uh,
I guess November since you think, what, yeah sixty thing?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
No I Uh, I'd see the week before hunting season
closed up. UH this year, I uh, this would have
been November, but November.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
The first uh excuse me? Last year?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Uh, I went hanging up by uh above Kernville. I
went into the other side doing that cross coming back
across the mountains, and I did ask to see uh
uh as long as I was in that area, I
thought i'd stop in and see him because I wanted
UH ask him what to handle you know why he
had Uh. I was pretty well pretty bitter about you know.
I was finally brought me into the same form. But
I couldn't find him. I mean I didn't really.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Look for him.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I just I heard he was running at more Town
on the way down from UH I don't know if
you're familiway from uh quake and asking him down to Kernville.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I I stepped at a few places.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
You wanted to find out why and make it famous?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well famous? My god, this kind of thing there to
doo with Donalds. And I shouldn't better towards you any way,
but I can see your you know yeah yeah, but
my goodness, the our our kidness side, I mean, uh more,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I would make that for how did you never play
in that summer of sixty four? Summer sixty four?
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Oh uh it? What's that mean?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It circuit bats nolle a lout of Alma sixty four?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Same place was there abouteen a half years? You know
a normal called universal in or a lot universal innerwe
I don't think so. He ad a lot of cos
Wi the side and graphic service service. U.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I don't think so unless unless this this is uh
where the old comes in, because I read in the
book he says it lows a a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well, I don't know if it's true or not. But
he told me when uh you know, when he went
to see him.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
But he was I think a geologist used to go
out uh uh you know, for all the friends of
this type of thing, and then you say this, uh
or semis?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
What'd you say? See? U was the word you used,
did y'ell? Uh a semiologist or seismograph? What s oh?
I don't know the good lad well this.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Came r his name, y'all stop and fought worth at all?
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
No, huh how much?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Just called Roy Hargrave.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Uh before I got after your us opinioned me, I
was still in Mexico and uh I anyway, he called
before I got back. He called my wife off and
he wanted to talk to if he was in the
hospital at the time and in Almani where I lived.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I hadn't seen him since uh sixty three, So I
know the songs like like I I don't know how
it's gonna son, but uh I found out just just
uh right after all this broke to Jerry and Roy
were living with and I'd say about uh a mile
from me, for what it's worth, I wasn't aware of
it until until this broke.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Anyway, he said he wanted to come. My wife told
me he wanted to come to contact me. So uh,
shortly after I got back, I contacted him, and he
told me, Uh, I'll tell you what he told me.
He says that, uh, you had been uh more or
less harassing him and Dick Walkley up in uh Baton
moods that you've been asking the questions about no name
and uh how about the other fellas and about me
(35:22):
at home.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
In Baton Rouge.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, there's someplace that really was. Now whether this is
true or I don't.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Oh, I think we mentioned Hargrave's name since he was
since he came.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
By you Patrick allad He used to say that frightened.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I don't think we mentioned a hard Grave's names.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Well, I I I came by with Patrick last night.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
I hope if we mentioned him as name of sense Oh,
I don't write over all and he said we were
harassing him.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, first, not a question.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
Maybe I should have said this note of crazy impression
in your mind that you shouldn't come or something like that.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Why wh why did you see to accomplished with the visit? Well?
I I seen him.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Uh Uh, I seen him in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Why do you wanna see you?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well, I just wanted to why.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I guess the impression I got was to let me
know about uh that you had uh been imquoring about
me and.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
A time of nor name or something like this. This
see this is the impression of God. I mean, I
don't wanna. Uh, I don't know how to say.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
I just don't wanna.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
Do you haven't said anything im from any about him
in this story? Well yeah, but it sounds like I'm
just pulling names at random.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
And do you say, is there any patch of garden
love all?
Speaker 1 (36:35):
No, you haven't, but I've seen I uh just wonder
have you ever seen him before?
Speaker 7 (36:41):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I uh happen?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He said that he remember saying mum.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Lamed key, and uh, I see the one dog, mumbmamed key.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
That's how it came up.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Uh, keep all up?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Uh nobout was the mon Uh?
Speaker 3 (36:58):
What was said out about?
Speaker 5 (36:59):
How got the idea that.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
He'd require He told you don't name?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
He was pasted when he was there. Well, maybe maybe
he told you it was not correct. Well maybe I'm
mis understood, and I don't know. I don't think I did,
but maybe I did.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
It was possible the time destroyed him when you go
out with it.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
No, because later on he told me, uh, uh I've
seen him again. I think I seen him about three
or four times since Jerry I've seen him a three times.
Uh h uh in so many words he said that
uh af After uh the judge he said, I didn't
have to come. He said, well maybe if you want,
He says, I can look into it and I maybe
(37:35):
I can contact him and see if he still wants
to see him. At that time, he seemed like he was,
uh he wanted to be help. I mean as far
as uh it has no no hardly, he just wanted
to help, uh Patrick. Patrick doesn't commit himself. I mean
I've asked him, well, what do you think maybe he
he doesn't commit himself. I mean the people all yuh
(37:58):
he's he's gonna see he.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Investigation.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes, I mean that's just from what uh Roy told man,
from what uh Jerry was told me.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
That's why I feel. I mean, uh, like I told
mister Gaston, I don't in no way in planning me
uh uh anyway.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
But I mean he like a lot of these Cuban names.
I mean he uh believe in his incredible credit is doing.
Jerry is shark and he's intelligent. I mean in no
way you know, playing anything out for us. But I
mean he all of these people, he might or could
n you know, maybe go help you.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
With the names, uh, because you knew so many people
of the people like uh Jerry Patrick.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Uh what is uh?
Speaker 7 (38:41):
What is his opinion of of these uh other people
you know human days about his assassination, they must have
expressed opinions.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, I I haven't had too much contact with him
because uh aside from personal you know, friends and some
of that would come from out there, because you know,
after this happened. I I mean I was working over there.
Oh well at the time before what happened, I was
working nowhere and I've been I haven't. Uh, I never
have gone back to the Mame area.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
See were you in called that work or you're in
communication for uh around that time?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I remembers No, well, uh last time when we we
broke up, was uh the matter fallen out? Was uh
shortly after he lost the trailer and supplients or not
the trailer, but uh some of the supplients.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Uh, wasn't it a lot of families?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No, I was uh roughly about uh the uh around November,
very real early November. Either a lot of a lot
of part of up to it or well, tell me
what was it?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
What was the only reaction when you had about the pacitation,
Did you think it all was all of his name?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
No, I din't gone back connectionally because you know, uh
work was disrupted and uh I I I don't know
if you said it, but I remember I said, oh
it was the conservatives are gonna catch it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't appuind you. I mean this is uh, this
is my first reaction. Why do you think it's I
hadn't don't.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Y s genurograpy.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Your reaction uh becas uh you know some of these
people uh and knew the activity.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
That's all your reactions.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
I I mean, I that's address. It's nothing incriminating about it.
But uh, what was your your feeling about at the
time about what probably.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I'm sure that uh, well, my my feeling was that,
oh boy, all these lob mouths that are one time
or other that U I was made statements about uh
either peaching or or I mean i'd heard anybody say.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Well, I mean I uh to tell you true, I mean, uh, y,
I went to a lot of meetings.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I mean when we should get ready of him by me,
I don't I mean I think this is normal though,
I mean U uh uh this isn't. I don't think this,
uh you know, uh that's so being this and that
I mean, uh I.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
Think this is this is uh what do you think
when the when the the United States announs, h uh
the hospital h of Lonely commanis well.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
My uh state of truth?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I was kind of relieved that it was. I mean,
uh you know, and and uh uh I I didn't
die it for a minute, you know at that time.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
One of the curious things is that, uh, even while
they were saying that, and even while Osbald was being
out in jail, the FBI in California was.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Invested being Lawren Hall. Did you know that happened in
twenty four hours?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
No, uh, huh, that's true in twenty for holes, it's
not well you've been asking me, can I ask you know? Oh? Yeah,
d I mean, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 10 (41:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Do you feel that uh he could have been.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Involved u uh all that we or three of us
uh oh actually this this way, I feel that he
knows some of the key people.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I don't necessarily feel those to himself.
Speaker 8 (41:40):
Involved, but I feeling most people. Uh I feel in
uh Iver thought I really.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Began when he tuned out the FBI was frigging into
him within twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
And uh they but.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
That's father hadn't never come to a surface of result
about investigation.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
But uh uh, that's why they feel.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
But he's it's calved in an actoric way.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
We don't be alive. Not that way.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
You haven't charged him with anything. I don't consider potential bids,
but call him as the witness.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
We feel like he.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Could tell us great dale.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Uh, either about Sylvia Ohio's visits or not.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
But he said he was that no I remember, but
well they came him and they said, I said, and
uh I t I told him. I think I told
uh it was who be? I toldhim one, I said,
number one, I says, uh, I know he's lying because
and I pointed out to him at Seymour and I
were never en bounced together, so it couldn't have been.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
The three of us.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I said, if any if if any persons that if
Paul and two other person visitors, I heard it had
to be hauled aboy he and myself. I mean, cause
it couldn't have been me and Seymour. This number one,
I mean I pointed out at right away number two.
I didn't recall and I didn't remember visiting any MISSISSI.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
But uh he said he was there about the detail,
so proctically think he was there.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
I've got it that now from from the uh from
the books and uh I've seen that FBI reports. And
he give us uh it says to the General Schoen
his description and as.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Going all over to talk to us and and not lie.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
I think he could give us some very valuable information
about some really interesting people. He seems to have been
there in November too about uh.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Again, does that make him a defender? Now? Maybe when
they're nd No, oh, answer you a question. Let me
ask you this.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Have you ever been to downtown with the downtown.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Went in the markery?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
You remember ever.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Going to that Otto place while you were in Dallas
and all over go there?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I don't remember.
Speaker 12 (43:41):
You know if you know someone named Warren Raynolds and
oak Cliff Wren when school?
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Yeah, do you know what old Cliffs that's a.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Part of Dallas?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
No, Uh, I don't think so. The uh no, uh
huh you don't when I uh all has been in
the hospital's uh in British type opera. Well, this is
what I heard.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Did you ever mention Gordon or London.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Lam, I don't recall him. You ever had an off
on he had of Presby.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
That's the name.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I was trying to think of Kresby Presbury, Myti.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I think we've seen uh a uh what you try
to see a final blue kit uh when we were
in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
That's the name I was saying. I was thinking of it.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
That's the name of Kresby Allsparo.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Okay again, yeah, yeah, what does he looked about? I
don't know. I never remember.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
He's Cuban and he's supposed to be an active or
a leader in some uh organization.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I'm not sure which. But that's the name of Presbury.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
I knew, I I was.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
It was right.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
It was run until my town somewhere. That's the name Prespi.
There was another one in addition to Krestby.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Your name, yeah, uh, I can't think of it.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I think I think they were from I'm not sure,
but I think I recall and being from uh either
A Alpha sixty six or commendo e one twenty questions, Ben,
you I mean this is uh?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I I'm not, I don't. I mean, I'm most sorry
cause I'm not.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Actually what was there all of Alpha Si Si uh
at that time law sixty grade.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
They were uh Alpha sixty six. It was uh it
was a pretty effective organization.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
They were making runs and they were making uh well
out of the R.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
What was that.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Well, I'm not that familiar with the RG, not that's men.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
But did uh which of these organizations did uh Long
have contacts with?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, honestly, the best of my knowledge, he we had
normal solid uh endorsements or or or contacts. He knew
uh a few nighbors and a few people, but he
didn't really have any any solid contacts.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I mean, uh he didn't. He was kind of getting
a prison to try to get when he started that. Yeah, yeah,
uh huh.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
He he knew names that uh he claims a word
from the station he was with the Castro and uh.
But my personal opinion is he didn't have uh very
many contacts and the ones he did were very larried
to him because uh.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
After the uh.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
The thing, uh well after the thing fell through that
the boat was taken. See, all the arms weren't taken.
This is a a misconception and Everybodyson you think all
the things were taken, they weren't there were still certain
goodies left.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
And then I tried on my own to to uh
to uh various.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Contacts I had see if we could still get a boat,
and right of 'em to tell me you're working with
home A lot of 'em. As soon as they found
out I was working with him, they, I mean, these
were close friends of mine that had confidence to me.
But uh, as soon as they found out, they dropped me.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Why was it that a loud of mouth?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Well, I I, oh, he was definitely a loud mouth.
I mean, I don't know if this had any baring,
you know, Uh, but uh, he was definitely a.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Lot of month and was one of the life one
us that's stay away from him. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
There was a a rumor that came down where we
were in that area that uh I lives just hair
say now but some give him I don't remember his name.
Uh came down said uh that we were under a
real type surveys because uh supposedly Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Put out a directive to keep us in the area
and not let us go on.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Now this I don't know if this is true. Now,
I mean this is I mean, I I I definitely
heard this. I don't know if it's true though, I
can't no way know what I can you know, swear
to or anything like that. And Sarraings was pretty tight
on his.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Uh you got Haul's well, I don't know. I I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I think if it had been handled why we could
have made it. But uh he it's just in in
my opinion, it's just too incompetent or or pretend to be.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Do you know if uh Hall's.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Connection with the men of man Loss, No, Uh, we
don't know if you had any.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
I mean I I don't know if you had any
What was all the connection with their kid?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Uh? He claims the new work Yeah were from uh
his uh news of Castro, and I guess just the
buying of the uh firens he did deal with it.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, now we we'd we'd got s uh some of
the firems or most of 'em from him.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
We pick up all over happening.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
That were on the Long Beach.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Uh in you the leaguer, No, see, I mean, I
don't know. I don't know, I say nobody. What I
mean is I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
I in the Ramperts, I read.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
About the Yeah sen Hill.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Uh, how did you have when you first to meet
doctor Morris.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Uh tener mean this is uh a gym uh uh
uh I think.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
The high school a uh twin on Saturay. Now he
was uh giving a speech have one with some people, and.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Then you went back to see Adams.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, but yeah because uh hall was uh well, I
already met him. I just uh just met him briefly.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
What did you need there?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
That was ambly Uh It had to have been uh
roughly in May or April sixty ten. Who you go? Uh,
I'd rather not say.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I mean these these were a real uh uh people
that uh I mean he was ahivery night they were
yeh he were. I conserned the people that uh a
uh said why don't you attend a meeting them?
Speaker 1 (49:31):
And uh I made him were there? Oh there was
ah it was not a twin you know.
Speaker 10 (49:37):
It was a school in high school at a twin.
Oh like there was a what you did any Cubans.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Speak on sae gro No? No, uh huh there was
Cubans that I don't know, oh I did. It was
just just a tenthe meegion and uh gell you thinking about?
And I was introduced to a d or Son you
remember when Sam lead Uh, Well, you're the gb S
uh head courses there you presently the name M Bill.
(50:09):
What was the name of that organization that uh?
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Henry Wade group?
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Uh? And uh a a pair of uh pair of
play the kids give its area three k t na. Yes,
that was the cue.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Have you ever heard of wlan Haller?
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Was book?
Speaker 7 (50:26):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (50:26):
When was the uh Restan or Seymour?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Uh? For some reason they know that the uh Seymour
and Haller was the name of the Free Cuba Committee? Uh?
What is the reasons that I? I I don't is uh?
Is this the Free Cuba Committee? Uh? Or the Committee
of Free Cuba?
Speaker 7 (50:41):
Well?
Speaker 3 (50:42):
I I who the variations of the uh?
Speaker 1 (50:45):
What did you different?
Speaker 7 (50:46):
Was?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Well?
Speaker 3 (50:48):
And then there's a Freedom a Cuba Party.
Speaker 13 (50:49):
I w there differently the same I've got Uh. Maybe
I can give you some names of leader. I am
well American Committee to Free Cube, that's about yes, but
that's in California.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I don't know the head of that at that time
was uh uh Uh William R.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Lanon, William R. Allons Ali Right, that's about the formal name.
And I a family. I don't know what this is.
When the hall or the rest of the scene, or
they give the information that they have members of the lead.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Uh pretty cure for committee.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
That uh who else belongs to that?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Well, I I don't want I.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Think a group of times the other think sure, well alright, uh.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Uh The first I came in contact with this this
committee was uh in uh about uh equal of a
lot of part of May right around there of sixty
three was uh.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Uh who was it?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I think it was through Bob Brown and Steve Wilson.
I think uh th I think this is a this
is what kill in the prospectable organization. Yeah, I think
that doctor Teresa.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Or del hu who was one of the h on
the board or something.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
He's pretty active in uh antit Castro ORF theres in
your Los Angeles area.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
But this is no in in no way has any
kind of a a military branch of ye know, just
that I know you know, yeah, this is uh was
this the group uh that.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
After Mars spoke for I don't know, uh, I I
know that uh Steam Wilson, uh that they give uh
Steam someoney.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
To help him be back to uh Miami area.
Speaker 5 (52:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
If this is the same group that Holler and STEAMOA
make the reference to.
Speaker 7 (52:32):
I don't know, let me tell his start an influence
the anivisht assassination that was the.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
The uh, probably several flocks the assassinated rest.
Speaker 12 (52:46):
Probably maybe Dollard has a program a Manu Act Responsible
Junion and these extrips of people had actually been.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
A private spy sponsor you that to do the job.
And now as I say, probably they.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
Never did it.
Speaker 14 (52:59):
And recently you had about two yet at scabs to
come up some of these people. Have you gotten back
to people that gave him the money initial and said nope,
he did it.
Speaker 4 (53:10):
Why did you give us a whole lot more money?
Speaker 14 (53:12):
And would keep bought that and as it was out,
some of these people would bet about talk.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
What do you understand that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (53:19):
I anytime?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Have you ever had any any uh no, nuh? You
mean the ones that were trying to black man with
these people, they were.
Speaker 15 (53:24):
Trying to black man the original You have losses by
clay and maybe falsely when they did it.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Just take me play I know and say up you
might stand more about it.
Speaker 5 (53:34):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
There were so many and they intern of in uh
murdered you too. Yeah, I don't cause that's what good.
This is some animation which recois to see you like
about an interesting story. Uh no, I never heard of
anything that mm some of that that was guess that boss. Uh,
I don't, I don't know. I like I swear a
(53:55):
trend right. I had ten of.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Various smooths, but I mean they weren't to to discuss
the I mean, but uh, people could come up for
if some egent should be taken out of office on
the liberalism, socialism, trind and all this type of thing.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
We should do something about it and't it.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
But I mean, uh, I think the the this is
this is normal.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I mean uh, I mean you know, just uh, I
think a person's title gives yeah. I mean, especially if
you mad. I mean, uh feel like when I heard
what uh I I cussed you out. I mean, uh, damn,
he's yeah, I mean he's trying to shot me. I mean,
you know when when you say that I wasn't in
uh in Dallas up until the assassination at.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
This and that my god, I was shocked at the
you know, and I cussed you out. I mean, uh,
but I don't. I mean, I I believe this is
my pro john time to do this.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
I mean, uh, do you know how many uh contacts
uh Lauren Holler elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
No more, there was no stops in Florida, sh Tom Duncan.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
He's a or was beliance reporter, Uh a doctor Crockett.
But I mean he's uh the these are people that
talk to rob him. Uh he's from Miami. It's a dentist.
But all he did he just uh he's Uh. There's
(55:17):
no time that I I feel would be could possibly
get tired. Uhbout Saint Petersburg. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Any of Carlos car Lovely.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Just just from uh uh either been uh asked his
name or I?
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Uh how about the Richards in they gal?
Speaker 1 (55:36):
I don't think so yeah they no. What about Dannis Holler? Yeah, yes,
uh huh what do you have about him? Uh? No
one he's a homosexual.
Speaker 5 (55:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
I got a book here that he helped brown and
that's translator. Uh he's he's a just amation brings back
patures of uh Jerry n.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
You don't let's see see I really could.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Well yeah but uh Harper Uh is it harp power
or hop well Harry is right here hard her I guess,
isn't it. Oh understand that h mm you donna flow
from there.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
I don't smart of UM.
Speaker 5 (56:21):
Don't know, is that da?
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah, it was in Florida and you were associating him
at any time with the other group.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Well, he looks to.
Speaker 7 (56:34):
Me here unless he's one of those guys went to
the fen where there was forecast go earlier and then
later on un dropped podcast.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
Always came you better a California kid. M looks to me.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
That's I mean, Uh, I.
Speaker 6 (56:50):
Don't know any Jack Lawrence, h Jack Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
He has a little name of Carroll, and I have
known him as Jack Carroll.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
I don't think so, look's near, but I don't I
don't remember.
Speaker 4 (57:01):
I mean this the seven one.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Was wh what's the story of uh days hot?
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Uh just uh, well, nothing really except that I don't
uh him and uh Edward Collins, I don't I think,
I don't know if he's stopped up anymore. Yeah, him,
they used to bump together. I mean, I don't mean
that Collins was. I mean, but he used to you
know live.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
That's what I heard.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
You know, I'm under a mysterious circumstances. One that was
really interested was bombed around too. Is he wasn't, by
the way, No, cause he was really he claimed he
wanted to uh to write a book about all these
anti casts to the train and the phasing dollars. That's
but yet, oh you come right back to uh uh
(57:48):
Collins and Home, Seymour, Howard and Odio.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
I mean right back.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
You know we'd throw in five ten minutes of and
uh come right back to the same thing, and then
trying to and he's the one that brought uh.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
Oh, would you do you feel that there was no
real uh attempt to development?
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Was uh on his part?
Speaker 7 (58:07):
Well, the back around the knowledge and instead of taking
into times about new knowledge?
Speaker 1 (58:11):
Is this day don't shen't the right time?
Speaker 3 (58:13):
It was?
Speaker 8 (58:13):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (58:14):
So I got turned to look, Uh what is it
you wanna know? I mean you keep the referring back
to the same thing.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
This would be typical of the way is as the.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
I a uh apala hamps way. Uh didn't Why well
is uh do you give her a GIFs to him?
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (58:30):
To Uh?
Speaker 3 (58:31):
This is your for example that haven't appeared.
Speaker 7 (58:33):
But uh, if you're a very insting person, you coming
back to you this man, you take this man's terrific back.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Yeah, I knowed, Well, I'm curious, Uh, how did you
mention him why he doesn't develop it anyway? Well, I
don't know, I I I.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
I was kind of uh any impression he might have
been working for you. I, I mean this is my
most him. Oh, this is just my personal inferient.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Be called much. You can't understand the information.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
Well, he's been doing a lot, didn't he, because uh
he used this other training always as.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
A color you know doubt.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
What were some of the other associative collegs, Uh, well,
all of us in cons Collins was involved in a
lot of boxing and marian ers. You know this type
of thing. Uh, all the ones that uh on the key,
I mean that uh the marathon deal with well the
Collins and uh I mean professor that's Dennis.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Harper or Harbor he uh him. Uh, that's about I
can think of. What was him?
Speaker 3 (59:36):
Parfastors real. He doesn't seem like the Silvis are type.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
No, well, yeah, he wasn't. Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:43):
He's just interested in, uh the activities, interested in what
white What was the time to Counterence?
Speaker 1 (59:49):
I don't know, I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
You know, doctor kisso the alical Yes, I mentioned am
more that he's had Eric thank you? Or what Oh,
I don't know if he's h but I know he
was uh active at all? If he's hadn't, that's where
uh Lion, because I like.
Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
About Riccardo Davis.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
No I I I know who you're making reference to,
because I I've been asked of it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
No, Manua Gyel, No, I think I've I've seen that
list as you. I've been asked at. If I've seen it,
I've been asked him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Now have there any alls?
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Is it a new list? Oh? Is that right?
Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Oh, I haven't seen anything, Edward Butler. No, I how
about Manuel Tars?
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Have you ever heard of that by any of the
Manuel Tars?
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Well, just just from uh, I've heard it somewhere just so,
I mean recently, either through l I've either been asked
with Steve or I've read.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It in Harold's book or about many evil Tars.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Is that I mean saying I've I've heard of him?
Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Uh as is a life or anything?
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Uh? Yes? Well?
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
They yes, but too too? Is any the building too good?
The real life stoles you run home by nine, that's all,
But this is all the foom you have some other
stay No, cause he was leaving. He had to leave
at the same morning.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
That's what he say, casting one two three four, testing
one two three four.
Speaker 15 (01:01:29):
As I, uh, in other ways that I couldn't this
camel days later, staying once he said it like I and.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
This is understandable. I I I think I see your
side of it, because I I stayed.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
If I was in your shoes and uh, Lawrence Hart
pumped up and these knowing these people have been here
or done this or this and this, Uh, I would
be interested.
Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Too, but uh by the same open Uh you go
opera this and they was rud help.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
What's your camera call? That's good enough for me, and
I will uh go out of my way to see
that that's made of it. Well, this is what I
found that fine mon.
Speaker 15 (01:02:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I actually I don't feel that I got much just now.
I mean that I haven't already said, but I got off.
And uh, i'll vot before the grand.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Gary or you wanna bring witnesses to me? Do you
wanna send me to them?
Speaker 12 (01:02:14):
Fine?
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
I got to pick a couple of snapshots here of
what I look like in sixty three. Uh, of course
I look like.
Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Now I'll give me what I can and what I know,
and that's all I can do right, just they're nothing
there nothing to me.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I'm gonna make a call before it's too late.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I want to do that. You might wanna show there's
an r S of the pictures and you rip the second?
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Is it a personal tone?
Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
A little white that you want me a brag at?
Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Marsst you haven't little cub last night? You want that
holder of pictures? You can you get at all? Do
you mean?
Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
How do you stum? I'd just spend my times? What
that was? Well? Yeah? How the group rock group? I
was stem with too? I set or luck or eat out?
Was there noisy around the hotel? No merry makers? When
you had that one? Normal one? Hum clare, I want
(01:03:26):
to go to around there? Oh here are huh right?
Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Holler your rump stick?
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Do you spell? Many ones sing around m very loud
the breath. Want you said that? What have a bean?
That just services that? When in there a doult talking
about that?
Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Yeah at twelve you said white?
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Or about some time against the brass tell there's you
wore out that you used to never like that? That's
inst jobs and bumbo again?
Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Where fast and still fastening?
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
How that mom? What happened in clod On ground hand.
Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Not the hist ones.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
You know. If I haven't seen her name, I want
to recognize him. No, right, it's nag uh m from
uh it's next day in the city.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, very Mississi the way he beats from mississ City
home about Dalla See and what one night m reminds me?
Ever heard of that minute in Miami? And uh mississip
or lived in the spot as a kind of like.
Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Either cook Court No, yeah, I don't just or do
you ever trained in the pro Jack? Uh? He tried
any of the Uh this isn't about uh.
Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
September or eive or.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
As long as September. One of about two recomides who
was the lake is why Marsant?
Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Why was he Jack White?
Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Oh? Okay, we weren't.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Uh, we weren't interested in the Uh is that you know,
taking that he was, especially with anybody.
Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Else you trained or living on in Weren't this What
kind of personality did you have? Was he rough carricter?
Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Or was used to move talking or this moo?
Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I don't know that there's a he was uh this character?
I mean I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I'm not no less you know those familier I don't
know if you got you back on on him and
some of that area.
Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Let's say, you know with the guy you get at
mine the first who talk? Yeah? Hid No, some of
(01:06:32):
these people, I mean I know I know who they are.
That the people, Yeah, that's one of the one. That's
uh Morten and Martin?
Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Martin, what about your girlfers?
Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
What? I don't know. I just I just known from pictures.
Now how all you have taken? Want me yet? I
was told, who listen to 'em? I'm to trust 'em?
Did that shoot me? You know?
Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
That's Bill mill I.
Speaker 16 (01:07:21):
Guess that's a younger gua. See, most seems to look
different than every photograph ever. Tell me to photographs, which
one is the most reconsided about?
Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
I would say this one?
Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Is this the younger one?
Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah? Well listen, I've never seen this one. I tell like,
when you guys are h, I've seen the pictures of
any is that that.
Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Smit Rights says you have anature?
Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Was one of them?
Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Sint?
Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Yeah, Serge Hill, have you ever seen them?
Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
No? Oh, I've seen pictures of them, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Uh that's something I'll tell you about later. I don't
know what. Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Another inclusion might not only might have many of.
Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Them didn't see No, this one here was foe yesterday.
What's one example? This one here fast?
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
If it was resemless and uh I s I thought,
what I see?
Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Who should do that? Well? I don't know if I
should say, I mean you keep Vodolfia the record?
Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Uh? Inter that like anything you want to say about the.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Record, the the the off the record. Further, Well, we don't.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
I don't they didn't monitor or any take any or Oh,
I guess that's not right.
Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
Any that don't let you know that I think us
uh s you might think that be kind of bugs.
Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
We don't do well.
Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I'm not worried that.
Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I don't you know. Uh, this is showing your mind
by uh, I'm used to by art ar art Kevin.
Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
What did he ask?
Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Well, why don't you show me some other pictures? H? Right?
And there is uh? He asked me why I thought
it was resonless? You know how retriment do you inc
not so instant? That?
Speaker 7 (01:09:25):
Because must by information about the bid that comes to
different witnesses an answer the English picture? Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Noah, he asked me about it? When was that star? No,
you try to play something to that to me, there's.
Speaker 17 (01:09:38):
Just to resemblance here some Yeah, now this I know
it's hard, this is right me and this is harm
but uh m.
Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Fortunateen so, But I wouldn't I mean, I wouldn't have
reference to home until I I mean, I was shown
to him and I was asked if I knew, you.
Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Know, I had different people showing the picture, and uh,
I didn't recognize him. And then if I.
Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Hadn't normal, they hadn't twenty that was holl I still
even under oath, I mean, but what it was, I
would say, no, want to know him?
Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Well, yeah, that long perill and the bear and.
Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
They had a long pair of since we had the mustache.
Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
And but they they you have in between. Yeah, but this,
I mean, it's long as honest to do you No,
when I knew how the times lived.
Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
And when the teachers that's nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Now that's quite different now than the US. Lucky, that's
not over the loose. Oh that's the same.
Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
I would never uh recognize he.
Speaker 7 (01:10:30):
Doesn't have to spy, mean that he doesn't have a
squash buck luck you know, he didn't seeing him with
the bed.
Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
And then the counties and so forth, and I gus.
Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
He just pronouns a white and wants from there.
Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Well, that's shop, that's that of shocked? You interested?
Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
What's the bis of fact? You say, oh yeah, that's uh,
that's a fella get curious.
Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
About because uh he seemed to go right.
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
That's carried on to though.
Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
When he started questioning for the grand.
Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Story grand whine very much last week carry we carried
nic said that the white fella was necessary? Or why
about some money that I just heard an article with you.
Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Thank shit, that's uncle's house.
Speaker 18 (01:11:56):
Isn't it?
Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
You shall house next door I can see sat.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Down on the street. Is a housing story? Preta yet heard?
Speaker 12 (01:12:06):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
You know, I would like to see him.
Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
You got a picture of the red door that entered?
Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
Sus as kind of vets be some shows, But thirteen thirty,
what did you wanna see?
Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
If you got a picture, I like to see the
trim says all you want to like to see if
the trivia cassel.
Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
H what happened?
Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Bother did get one of them?
Speaker 6 (01:12:30):
As allio because she would always been fort a red door?
Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Understand she gone of good looking, but we don't have one.
Speaker 18 (01:12:35):
That's what I hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I never asked one of her liked, uh a carousel. Uh.
Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
They've got pictures in the UH.
Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
In some of the exhibits that show some of the outside.
But that's been sort of relevant.
Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
We haven't posited to get now.
Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Well, the reason I asked about that is, uh, you
want a quite here is cause one of the times
w we were, well, one of the mean time when
we were and I was I you know, I was
wa be driving UH home made stick man. I'm I'm
I'm in nold way.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Trying and fire and the senior or I'm just point
out the fact, UH left to the past. Can you
talk about that?
Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Seen them before?
Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
See the only a lot of these names I've picked up.
I've been through the amused media, through UH through Steven
uh Chaffee and uh Art and various news reporters, and
UH most of my information more or attaining these names
here you are new or yours UH city here it's
been from my Harold's book.
Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Did you ever hear USO's name before them?
Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
About twenty second in the Noya.
Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Ah you have Joseph more more?
Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
No, Uh, I think I I I read something, I
heard something about him. I don't know who it is.
Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
Or what the ELL's that in the telpects about now?
Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
Yeah, well like sweeting dollars out a lot of those
getting out.
Speaker 7 (01:14:05):
Let me ask you this, uh I that's your reaction
to the Lawrence Hall's announcement, you know, miss ability of litt.
Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Did you ask coming up about that?
Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Why do you think he ejected you with Seymour?
Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I I th I think though, uh I I really
don't know. I I I I I think though that.
Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
You're you should be fear not you, you should be
convinced that uh seymore mean it's at that time was
getting completely out of the picture.
Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
I don't uh, I don't uh have a great interest
in but uh Laurren.
Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Hall that it was bad or good?
Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Hard?
Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, well, th this is a liar. It's either either
uh unintentionally you know, uh said.
Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
That well well thinking or he he just made a
uh a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I just light about it because Seymour was not with us.
I mean Seymo was still in Miami.
Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Uh this first day to the zero Uh all that mattered.
Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
He was there, But I had all a.
Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Lot of details mentioned in the Dallas Circle and ever
what was.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Uh uh he had matter? He was there well, I
I mean I was there in Dallas with him, only
there he and how did you ride uh here? And
I think you've got a confident that this adopt this
because of the three.
Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
All pin points that I I didn't wanna go to Dallas,
I mean, or I don't know, but I wanted.
Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
I had three reasons.
Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
One was I'd like to find a hotel the most
out stoday, cause this would.
Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Happen if they still have the records.
Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
When we checked in, when we checked out, and I
made a collect call to my wife and that I
mean all this was just pinpoint, you know. But Harri,
you've seen this.
Speaker 6 (01:15:43):
I think you look at er right.
Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I wrote it on a third spost stamped uh D four. Yeah,
well this pit points it cause I.
Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Said in her uh.
Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Uh we got here some Saturday, and I wrote this
on the uh tob me or of course I could
have worked this anytime, but I mean I think we.
Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Checked And then why do you think you arrived there
though a while? Well that would have been Thursday, uh
I I I I checked back. I think it was
on a Thursday cause of October.
Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
I think it was saying the count of since you
would ride again September and.
Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
What it was either uh, what when did you have
a sixty teen n uh? Excuse me sixtyeen calendar? I
think it was uh Thursday to the twenty sixth and
twenty seven?
Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Then uh basically done playing out loud.
Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Now I'll tell you about it.
Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Let's see Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
What I'm on our way? Excuse me? Uh, we've been
here since Saturday. This is October very this is a
favor Saturday Thay.
Speaker 18 (01:16:46):
September, September twenty eighth, ten points of Oh, just think.
Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
How I was now because I didn't find h live.
Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Say that means the uh.
Speaker 15 (01:17:00):
Hall all those uh down to the laire at the time.
Oh cars thay Uh, let's see you bumbing around with
anybody else while he was there with you?
Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Or don't see no holl Uh he had leave a
lot of times. Uh get leaders at that, but well
he don't.
Speaker 7 (01:17:19):
Have something either wait ah, wait, are taking numps or
a riverfordh who were a colly okay, go ahead, said
that I left take okay.
Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
A lot of times you would leave us at the
more Town, do you right with white Eth?
Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Right that say your other U castro. Uh he'd leave
us at the more Towner stead together A lot of times.
Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Would leave it what he'll and he and him Coles
we want a lot of times. All three were a
lot of times.
Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Uh yeah, what was Sai?
Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
What kind of a car? Did you have? Fifty six olds?
Black ones? And where did you come from? From? Los Angeles?
Speaker 6 (01:17:46):
That's uh All's car?
Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yeah? Did you been that a tower? Yeah? What do
you mean? Yeah? I think it was it cause it
was just they recently painted.
Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Just before we left.
Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
They had a bomber in the time er.
Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Yeah, hu huh they st they tried to straighten it out. Yeah,
go ahead, a bomb?
Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
Yeah, so did did he?
Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Did he?
Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
That's it lest the.
Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Blow all about?
Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I first time we wanted was the Uh I
don't remember it to be building right off the field.
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
I guess it's his business, uh office location.
Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Of the building when a temple especial way, well right
off the right.
Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Off the freeway.
Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I think that sounds so many Well yeah, well you
mentioned saying about uh he says that he was a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
I my understanding was that he was a geologist. And
maybe I'm missus sted I know, but uh he took
me into Guhito with him, and.
Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
We waved down in the car.
Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Parking lotch Oh, what what do you fell?
Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Holler skipper old Lawrence skippers along all of are.
Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Uh a mention?
Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Oh? They always no, my h never that's it. Now
you're waiting in the parking lot. W hall right.
Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
What did he say when he keep back?
Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Uh, he was supposed to be Yeah, that was supposed
to be a contact and uh supposed to get a traditional.
Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Funds and uh whatno, Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
I think he so one we supposed to say, abou
getting a boat out of uh out of hearing like that?
Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
So, uh that's it. I mean you want to mention
a man named the ichor I don't think so. I'm
whatever you have a named I. I don't know. I
don't do like that. And that was the first time
that uh I knew about Logan.
Speaker 6 (01:19:31):
Uh I any caid either in jact really no uh
huh h.
Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
What was uh?
Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
What did you have in mind in visiting low raising.
Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Money y'all raising getting additional funds or whatever else? Are
you getting?
Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
How accessible?
Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Well? Uh, I don't know. I I think he was,
but he didn't admit it because uh, when I left
my family not.
Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
My wife's been working. But you know, uh, I hadn't
been working for some time, and I wasn't re seeing
paid from anybody or what it's worth that wasn't and
uh he was supposed to get additional funds from low back.
I didn't know from whom at the time, but he
said that, uh, his contact would probably get aditional funds.
I said, well, look, if if there's any you know,
actually might I'd like to have, you know, a few
bucks to send home.
Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
So he said okay, I said, uh cause I he
said something about I got a senary few dollars too,
so he was.
Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Supposed to I was supposed to get fifty dollars or
so that, which isn't much for what I helped a
little years of 'em. No cause when he came back on,
I said, well, how'd you make?
Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
I said, no that, uh he only gave.
Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Me so much, just just for expenses.
Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
So that, uh, when I'm not gonna be able to
give any money, I'm not gonna be.
Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Able to send anything.
Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
So to myself, I said, well, I'm number this to myself,
and I said, number one. You didn't want me to
book there with you? You know, A number two uh.
Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I felt that he might have gotten the money. I
don't know now, I I this is just my personal opinion.
I felt that he might have gotten but didn't. Uh
wanna you know, dish out or something like this.
Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Now, but I I know he got some funds he played.
I think it was about or something like this, continue
the trick and now did you eat? Did all this well?
He was?
Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
He was?
Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Uh he was slipping the building? All was right? What
stopping the build?
Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
Did he did he have a fail m yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Yeah, mothers than the fail uh?
Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Armies medical supplies in the military.
Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
There Why I asked the question?
Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
I ask quially about Emma Walker.
Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
A decided I'm not investigating him.
Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
The fecially appreciation pretty information?
Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
Did did all ever mentioned Walker any time?
Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
I think he mentioned he had met General Walker? Pretty
sure he did Walker all of them. I think I'm
pretty sure he he said he met General Walker?
Speaker 6 (01:21:45):
Did he ever mention uh Wally Yates?
Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Y Uh? Yeah? Yeah? Why the w uh wa? Yeah?
I I I met him met while Yes, we were
down in Souse.
Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
What was your impression in Yates?
Speaker 18 (01:21:57):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Kind of a I don't know, I don't uh kind
of a.
Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Nut maybe I don't know, kind of a.
Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
Die heart.
Speaker 14 (01:22:11):
I guess it's say, uh.
Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
What little I recall it? I guess he uh m,
I I would.
Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Se it was anti Kennedy, right, Yeah, I mean, well,
I say the least.
Speaker 12 (01:22:34):
See no, no, how long were you any?
Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
About an hour or so?
Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Why don't I don't remember? I think, Uh, I don't remember.
I mean her I I don't matter that if his coffee,
Uh I have to have uh had one of those
two ros now?
Speaker 6 (01:22:55):
Uh we have that large picture of the uh house
that has the uh oh apparent.
Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Whole hunch the life.
Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
That's a lot of those pictures back the house?
Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Amy where involved? What don't girl your very tap me?
Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
I think I do. I think this we got most
of the thing. I h. I was just gonna say,
I don't wan. I'm not implying or anything in any
way and seeing any but uh, I think he could
give me some information.
Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
I mean what I mean is I'm not saying was
involved or any good but Jerry, who knows the het of.
Speaker 6 (01:23:37):
P Yeah, well what do you talk to Patrick and
uh out some line of mukund of the topic.
Speaker 9 (01:23:46):
Uh wasn't the being find for your kind of Patrick
wasn't giving what information was taking.
Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Oh I I I know it was uh in that.
Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Sense, but it does the nameless after.
Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Me for a while.
Speaker 12 (01:24:01):
He's very interesting first and no question about it.
Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
I think it does what he did well what I
was making reference to what I was. He knows a
lot of people, you know, he knows uh humans, Uh
this type of thing.
Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
Uh what uh does Uh? What other names you mentioned
in your mind have any connections with something like you
said that you didn't have much any time?
Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
Uh, some people did have.
Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Any right because let's see I had.
Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
Do you know what they're doing about?
Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Right? You see money?
Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
Do you know any of any.
Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
People that happened?
Speaker 12 (01:24:38):
You remember who see to have any your money for him?
Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
You can get cash? What any that time?
Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Well?
Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
Uh, they don't have to die?
Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
No, no, no, I just don't have any money about. No.
I don't worry about you. Then sent it works? Uh
huh No, but I can't. I don't know about other
things h happens R. I don't know. I mean, uh,
we we watched him various uh Cubans and that sound
and veriout other Americans you know at that time?
Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
But has sh you know sit down disgust Patrick cause
he had to seem to have his fingers.
Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Uh. So many uh contacts here in that kind How.
Speaker 6 (01:25:17):
Many people say, I see this count from Washington.
Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Well, I know I know this.
Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
I spoke to him not too long ago, right after
this Uh uh.
Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
When you subpeeded me, you know, Uh, I guess found
out what was that?
Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
And uh I spoke to him and Uh, from what
I understand from what I've heard from someone else, he's
been doing it some work. I mean he's been doing
like and you've been deicating yourself. He's been doing a
little while.
Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Digging him sounds.
Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
I don't know. I don't know ready perhapps to. I
don't know. Maybe they do on write a book or
for his own personal or or or pay for somebody else.
I don't know. You have it was always w w
uh with him, it was either faster or family man.
Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
You know. Uh, this type of thing was there for
a living.
Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Now. Uh, I don't know he's working. Uh, he is
working in the lit in that area. I don't know
exactly to whom he's working for him, he was working.
Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
I think he used to everything Hall no uh uh somebody,
Uh what it's worth. Somebody made a statement that uh,
Jerry Patrick, Uh, the Hall was scared of that the
Jerry Patrick. Whether it's true or not, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
It's just that it was cold.
Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
There as an indication of Patrick or not not happy.
Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
About Hall taking where some of the fund that well, Uh, yes,
it's I would say this is true because they was
pretty bitter alive.
Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
I've seen them after in the Miami area.
Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
This was uh after we get to my area.
Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
Oh how did usually thats?
Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Uh? As near as I can ascertain, it was about roughly. Uh, well,
I don't know. Let's see see you living in a
few days. I would say roughly, give world take about
October tenth, right, and then give her take uh couple
days either way.
Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
And where did you come from?
Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Uh? Here my name right uh huh sentence?
Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
And then you went to where to Dallas?
Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
From Dallas you went well straight to my home.
Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
How long did you say there?
Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Well, I stood there till I came back, which is roughly. Uh,
I would say about November eleventh. You would take a
day then, and.
Speaker 6 (01:27:26):
Where did you come back?
Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Practical scientelist say there a right, I got a job
when that's I.
Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
Was the uh YMCA records in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
See what the names, but they have Hall and you
haven't stayed there. On eighteen about two. I meant to
ask you about this. Yeah, uh, I was. I was gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I was gonna ask you if if Hall's name was there.
I I kind of had a food meeting. He might
have used my name, old name.
Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
But apparently, uh what the or two men came in
and said one night and all the world.
Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Well, uh, the on thing comes in my mind, I
mean is uh maybe I thought maybe Home might have
give money maybe see nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Well, we were friends in the sense that we're buddies.
I mean we're you might say, just uh business uh
kind of you know, the particular type of thing.
Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Well, I can give you an incident and you can
uh yeah right at run concludience. Uh, from what I understood,
see IM at Hall roughly.
Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
In about January, a lot of part of January the
sixty three. I met him through Gerry Patrick and that
was it. I just went him for a few minutes
and that was it.
Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
And then after well I was down there and the
keys there. I'd call my wife and on occasional she
told me a holl was trying to get hold of
me that he had uh military year. I was interested
in talking to me. So anyhow, that's when I heard
of him again. So when I came back, I guess
in about August, Uh yeah sixteen with uh Osman Wahido
(01:29:16):
came with me and uh another cuban Uh i'se.
Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Uh I think it was Frank Fan or something like that.
He came back with me. Uh when I got home,
all I said they hollered and called me, so I
called in. So he said they wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
So he came over to the house and uh he
told me what he had been doing and uh he
had gear and wanted to go in and uh.
Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Like a run. I was interested. So I see, I
don't show him cause what he meant, cause I have
I've been you know some night people uh various time
to coach you at this and then I wanna do
this and that, and a lot of times it just talking.
So he showed me and I believed, so I decided
to throw in with him and would go back to Miami.
Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
But I found out later.
Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
The reason I'm bringing all this up is I found
out later though that UH one of the uh or
the way he got this or maybe he got got
got in his home, but the I think the health
that he got on this and make.
Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Me speeches he was saying, cause the various people at
Tennessee's meeting was, you know, telling.
Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Me later that other words, he was usually mean, and
Michael and the Key.
Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Saying that like uh you know in his speeches that
uh he was representing him, he was a leader of
our group and that uh we were in the Key
now leaking for help and all this type of thing.
And this was about my knowledge and without my consent.
I found this out later. So I mean I just
pointed this out to you that you give an idea that.
Speaker 6 (01:30:41):
Today, well when he uh he apparently came back to Dallas,
uh you the sometime in Miami after he because he.
Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Was he was the rest uh.
Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
He honest don't know he was there now, sure he
did well when we left down as I said, what
about two to ten eleven, right and there we left
the trailer then and uh we went off to live
in l Yeah, I know you got it on record.
You don't miss there on Saturday, or rather I mean
it we it was left the cloths okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Uh we went to Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
And uh the three of us bought you over. Myself
and Seymour and I, excuse me home sent over there.
That's when I contacted Heil.
Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
He was working.
Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Send me CUH contact him because when I had the
keen lose my second command. So uh we explained what
was going on this and that if he was interesting,
he said yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
So anyhow, UH all decided we were gonna go back
and get the trailer.
Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Well, I had just come back and I didn't feel
like taking it right back again, so I told him
I didn't wanna go. So him and Bill left when
I stood in Miami. This is why I mean uh uh,
Seymour and I were never in the.
Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Uh in DOWNSTA gat him and they they went back
to Miami. Agaid you got down or anything like that. Uh,
I would say, I don't remember exactly when it left.
I would say it was, UH think a four days
something like that and anything. I'm not sure why did
you do the trailer of uh why did you do
(01:32:20):
in the trailer of period?
Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Well cause uh he said something about uh be I
think because the boat contact have fizzled out or something
like this. That Uh, it wasn't sure if he didn't
wanna drive straight into Miami, Miami or for ever with
the trader if you're uh it getting you know, uh
confiscated so uh that he got a big basket if
(01:32:43):
he left it.
Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Here and went on you know, went in it wasn't.
Speaker 10 (01:32:49):
Time.
Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
It was at the time.
Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Well your customs mostly customers.
Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Who was idea?
Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
It wasn't you trade?
Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Oh so uh uh, I don't sound like them.
Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
I mean I'm faster. I'm not faster than about I
mean heis. I'm giving you the facts the way that happened.
Was there any discussion about the very trade or the
Houston No? Uh huh did you ever go to introduced
to tra No?
Speaker 8 (01:33:11):
Never?
Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Uh So anyhow, this is uh, this is what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I mean that uh we went in to see if
uh s or m you know set up, see how
things were in there, and see where could bring the
trailers to a safe place and you know leave it
there without just going blind and uh this is what
we done to make the connections there for the connections. Itsidentally,
I hope what I'm admitting uh won't be hold or
used against me for some.
Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
Kind of uh h we don't know, we don't like tricks.
Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Well, anyhow, this is this was the case. You went
down there, contact and build and Bill went back to
what the renovation that well to pack up the trader?
Is that kind of hard?
Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Just uh.
Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
Here all save himself but fl all the way.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
In life to Dallas.
Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
He just go on ahead and out.
Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Uh did you feel safer about customer present?
Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Reason?
Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
That that's a really long to my problem.
Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
You have to double back and get paid only could
the brother for you?
Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Yes, this is true, but.
Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
Could there been another reason in his mind?
Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Believe in the family that mister Gerson.
Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
I don't know. I I've been in so many words,
but various persons. I've been asked if.
Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
All could have been winning and begging in the sacay.
I mean, I'm not trying to anyway, I inquire and
the sineway that this is the case.
Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
I mean, I've just been asked this, and I thought
of this myself, And I honestly I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Sometimes I wonder sometimes or no, I I doubt, but
I I I can't say. I mean either it was
extremely incompetent to and this I mean and and and
and stupid and this is the way he is, or
he pretended to be, or he just.
Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Made honest mistake, cause I don't know. I I I
try to ask you, wasn't that.
Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
Same big kind of waste the vangy in time left there.
Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
In Well, it depends how you look at it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
If I felt that that perhaps it it was uh
added surveillance, or if we were under surveillance. Uh, I
think I would have done the same. I mean I
didn't take a chance to drive him blind, you know,
or or uh oh, of course we didn't stop anywhere
in the States.
Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
But yeah, your Florida area, that's where we would we.
Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Come under most surveillance, you know, this type of thing.
I think I would have done the same. If I
felt you know that uh it was uh, you know,
a heavy surveillance. I think I would have left the trailer,
I mean somewhere in some stafe place. Anyhow, I don't
think I would have taken a chance in the building
and getting it, you know, losing the things.
Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Oh long did the Seymour stay with you know?
Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Seymour stood with him from the time they left uh Miami,
which uh I guess was actually.
Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
I figured it out.
Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Let's see, UH left about the venus off the downs
two he did, I would say enough to be you
would take about the twenty uh twenty fifth, twenty sixth
something like that.
Speaker 6 (01:36:06):
You remember about club when they left the trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
When they left dollars Yeah, when they uh yeh uh
yeah yeah, when they went no uh uh when they
left Miami to go back to Dallas.
Speaker 12 (01:36:17):
About when would that be because they went that I
was at eighteen.
Speaker 6 (01:36:21):
Uh around eighteen about.
Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
I don't know, well we left uh Dallas to go
down about the uh, I would say about the tenth
or two or ninet to tenth BacT or something that
it was a couple of days of drive put us.
Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
About the see when you were metal where uh the
hall was going back?
Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Yeah? Right, that's this kind of sigma right.
Speaker 9 (01:36:42):
But then what the apparently dead because the registration uh
as the HAYMCA was within twenty four hours or the arrest.
Speaker 7 (01:36:49):
Of Seymour uh is aparently holler on Seyamore or the
rest of the h registered as the WIMCA is hollering.
Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
How yeah, this is what I gathered.
Speaker 6 (01:36:58):
Now, that's apparently what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
See why I was see more out of us his
own names you au from something. No, No, I don't
know well cause seemore is uh at the time we
were he was a friend that I am. We were
pretty close.
Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Uh, I thought, uh my first impression when I when
I heard that uh us stated that I was registered.
Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
There was all might abuse my name.
Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
This is why I was interested in finality college register.
It never occurred to me that Bill would have used it.
But apparently this seems to be the case.
Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Yeah, yeah, I was twenty four almost Yeah, cause I
I uh, I wasn't there at all, no way.
Speaker 6 (01:37:32):
And then though, when did they come back?
Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Uh, I don't remember for sure when they came back,
but uh I I don't remember for sure, but it
was uh right about that time.
Speaker 6 (01:37:43):
I guess we have uh kind of witnesses again when
I find or hear but uh all hospital.
Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
He seemed.
Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
It was a lot of information. Definitely remember it was
somewhat have any.
Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Idea well, I schedule was.
Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
No, I did I wasn't the work. I mean did
he leave you mean after him and Seymour? Yeah, they
went back to Miami.
Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
N all this back Dallas.
Speaker 6 (01:38:14):
No, I have no mother, I ask you have you
put it now twenty second?
Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
Anything like that, but I would no.
Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
I have no knowledge of this at all.
Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Did they see one of they go out to do
with us to talk to you?
Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
I I I would think so, I would think.
Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
No HERDASONI Tucson. I if you wanta I I think
I got his address. I don't know if it's correct.
Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Good like that have I don't know if it's This
is the latest ones I did get.
Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
Wait, I was sleeping a well known.
Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
But wouldn't your mother be the simple tea? Good?
Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
See what cooperative?
Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Well, I'm being a cooperative, but I mean hope I
time alls announcement is Okay, here's the biggest.
Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
One I got.
Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
It's uh twenty eight twenty two West Alboro drives traded.
Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Alboro A M B, A R or drive to Son.
I don't want I don't wanna, uh no idea. I
mean I think to be cooperative, but uh, I don't wanna,
you know, build a tame.
Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Okay, you get the picture of the hospital today, but
I same token.
Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
I don't I'm not I want you else. I'm not
an informer. Now Oh it is?
Speaker 6 (01:39:47):
Have you ever seen this house?
Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
That sin.
Speaker 12 (01:39:52):
Technically an Allays Act? Oh that's a back of general
Walker's house.
Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
No, No, that commended matter about been the back of
about just I don't know why that sounds. I didn't
let me do.
Speaker 6 (01:40:28):
What does uh Haller say about how well are you.
Speaker 8 (01:40:30):
A general Walker?
Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Or have you end it again?
Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
I I I think you mentioned in the words one time,
I wish the effect on the time that you met
general Walker one type.
Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
I just met him, that's all. I didn't see no
too much about him, I think, I recall I'm not
I'm certain. I'm pretty sure though when you.
Speaker 9 (01:40:50):
Said we had now did you ever have a feeling
that thatsally low uh was the front for somebody else,
probably had a bigger bicker contact.
Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Money.
Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
Where did Paul anything like that?
Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Uh, I only meant like I said, I met mister
will one time and there was nothing disgusted. I mean,
uh this when it took the treat to assign hearted that.
But uh, from what I've gathered, I.
Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Mean the this is a lot of this is uh
hall mats uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
Made uh statements about about this.
Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
A lot of this is just kind of what my
personal thing is it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
I think there was some kind of uh oil and
and uh or type connection there. I mean on Huh, Well,
Hall's m UH mentioned to him. He says, you knew 'em.
Uh I met other oil men at some kind of
petroleum club and tors some country club someone that he
made us cheage.
Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Now, but that's all I can give.
Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
You that if you met uh Walker, let me see Walker.
Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
I don't know if you met Hun, but I I
think you mentioned him. I mean that UH might have mad.
Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
I'm saying this because he said he attended a or
made a speech at at uh a country club where
some of oilment I think uh some at the petroleum
or some something.
Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
I remember him saying something about it not too much.
Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
This guy we namepending that Califor Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
I met him prior to our league in Los Angeles area.
This is where s lots knowing.
Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
I don't know an this time.
Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
This is where he picked up the trailer and UH
left from What kind of weapons do you have?
Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
They were all legal? They had not uh he we
had in fourteenth yeah thirty calendar.
Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
And there was a scope to him too, and this
has been brought up with him.
Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Uh there was a scoope.
Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Weapon and there was UH in one's standard in one
grand and UH in fourteen Uh modified. Uh strictly uhuhe
strictly semigo Okay, Russell.
Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
We had about sixteen uh long arms all together. Where
did they who provided?
Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Someone came from or Chicago Arms Periagua Arms Company one, Chicago.
Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
How do you spell out?
Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Yeah? Uh, let's see something like that. It seemed uh
he was he was well he was, Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
He's a Cuban.
Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
He was the the top uh armist.
Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Uh ordinance stands for pidel Castro.
Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Oh want yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
And then he's he switched, Yeah, he switched and uh started.
I don't know he's supposed to have, but I know
I met him blue Home.
Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
You connected the leap, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know
he was.
Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
Colonel Gil.
Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
I don't know if he was.
Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
Or that.
Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
The what did we have was moms, No we uh
from what I've gathered in from uh what I found out.
Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
As times out.
Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
Uh yeah, I'm talking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
He operates that relations that you have been in a
national operation.
Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Do you mind? You said no, No, he's just.
Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
Uh, it's all these seems interesting.
Speaker 6 (01:44:15):
What uh what what's this? What are you doing in
sixty three?
Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
I mean, what was uh well, I don't know what
he was doing.
Speaker 6 (01:44:20):
I mean, was he uh uh oup in Cuba?
Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Uh? I don't know if he's helping a cube anything.
I know that you know. I'm home. I don't uh
what what it amounts to you? Is they used to Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
I think he belonged to some kind of uh what
is it an organization? I think you know, Christian or
some kind of Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
I'm not certain, but they used to have meetings at
this house, used to hang out those shares. The last
time I seen him.
Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
He was uh active uh March Washington and this was.
Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Think sixty four organizing anyhow, Uh, I guess they used
to have means what's which?
Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
The next was law in hall.
Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
I don't know how they met or anything. Uh he
we's uh uh I guess just helped him. I mean,
uh they used his house to be rich? No, I
don't think so.
Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
It was uh it was it a fair description that
we did he say hees ah a conservative? Uh guy?
It was kind of is it an action uh in
doing something.
Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Or rather than what was it u?
Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Uh an actor or sat Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
I think it would be uh a fair description if
he was interested in doing something too that I played
an anti communs far.
Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (01:45:36):
One thing I was uh surprised about was uh when
h Brady made the public statement that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Uh didn't know Lauren Hall because uh, you.
Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
Know a number of different people over in the mess Hall.
Speaker 6 (01:45:49):
Through Jean Bradley and the fact grade lay or into
Pascido and uh do you know any reason why Bradley
wouldn't say he did not know Holl?
Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
None, As a matter of fact, No.
Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
I wasn't aware.
Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
Is to just recently that uh that they didn't didn't
which other work or people have sitting on too.
Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
I don't know what they did. How did you know
the All New Week?
Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Because Hall took me down the route teams happening
All even meaning and dealing are in the sack.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I mean, I'm not trying to anyway impure and sinewy
that this is the case. I mean, I've just been
asked this, and I've thought of this myself, and I honestly,
I don't know. Sometimes I wonder sometimes Uh No, I
I'm doubt, but I d I don't. I can't say.
I mean, either it was extremely incompetent to in this.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I mean, and and and.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And stupid and this is the way he is, or
he pretended to be, or he just made honest mistakes.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I don't know. I I've tried to make It was not.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Saying with Big Haida, but waste the energy in time,
but left there in the next way of home.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, it depends how you look at it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
If I felt that that perhaps that there was uh
ads orbaillance or that lived under jermaillans, uh, I think
I would have done the same. I mean, rather than
take a chance to drive him blind, you know, or
or oh, of course we didn't stop anyone who states
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Your Florida areas were we would be.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Coming their most surveillance, you know, this type of thing.
I think I would have done the same. If I
found you know that uh there was uh you know,
heavy surveillance. I think I would have left the trailer area,
I mean somewhere in some safe place. Anyhow, I don't
think I woulda taken a chance in building and getting it,
you know, losing the things.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
How long did uh Seymourt stay with him?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know, uh Seymour stood the arm from the time
they left uh Miami, which.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Uh I guess was actually roughly the I don't know
what figgured out. Let's see, uh we left for about
the eleven and fourth of Balns. It took for two
three days, I.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Would say roughly, you would take about the twenty uh.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Twenty five, twenty sixth something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'll tell 'em when they left, Tell when they left out?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, when they uh young young when they went No,
uh uh when they left Miami to go back to Dallas?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
What when?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
When?
Speaker 6 (01:55):
When would that be? Were you when that I was
at eighteenth after the uh uh around the eight think
about it?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
No, con well, we left uh Dallas to go down
about the uh I would say about the tenth of
October nineteen tenth. Ride or Cummer thinks a couple of
days of arripose about the what say in the national way, Uh,
Hall's going back right, well this time.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Of sema right.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well, then what he apparently did because the registration.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
Uh at the YMCA was within twenty four hours of
the erassitus of Seymour Hall the apparently the hall on.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Seymour rested uh registered at the YMCA has.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Called them the Howard. Yes, this is what I did
it Now, that's apparently what happened. To see why was
she going out of union at all?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You know more Seymours Uh at the time we were,
he was a friend that my hunger was pretty close.
Uh I thought, Uh my first impression, like when I
heard that uh U had stated that I was registered
there was Hall I used my name.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
This is why I was.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Interested in finality college regis.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I never occurred to me that Bill would have used it.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But apparently this seems to be the case that yeah, yeah,
I did in twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, because I I uh, I wasn't there at all.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I Oh and then the when did they come back?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I don't even for sure when they came back, but
uh I I don't remember for sure, but it was
uh right about that time.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
I guess we uh, well you have uh in town
of witnesses again when I find it even cause uh
holl a hospital.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I remember when he seemed to be a witness, was
that there was a lot of information, but he was definitely.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Back in Dallas again in November. UH thought it was
some witnesses. Did you have any idea of what else?
Time and the schedule was or returned to Dallas again?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I did?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It wasn't work? I mean did he leave? You mean
after him and Seymour? Yeah, they went back to Miami and.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Uh Whilly was back in Dallas in November.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, I have no number, I asked y U uh.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Have you put it now a twenty secon or anything
like that? Or it say we've had web system to
say this all November.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No, I have no knowledge that at all.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Did they seen what was the cooperative? Or lots of
you would talk to him?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I I I would think so, I would think they
live in Banks or did they?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I heard his in Tucson. I if you want I
I I think I've got his address. I don't know
if it's a correct good like that? Has it been
get shot?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
How long is this is?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The latest ones I did get.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Any way, I was thinking of it well known, but
I wouldn't you call it be a second ge.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
See what cooperative? Well, I would can well being a cooperative,
But I mean hop about.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
The poblems cause all the announcements that you all did
as all though.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Okay, here's the last one I got. It's uh twenty
eight twenty two West Alborough Drive, which traded by the
Alboro A, M B A R OH Drive to something
I don't want. I don't wanna, uh know, I give him.
I mean, I think they'll be cooperative, but uh, I
(05:15):
don't wanna you know, feel the day. Okay, you got
a picture of the house with a bag, Well.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I same talking. I don't I'm not I want you less.
I'm not an informer now.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh h, I just tell me uh of the big
I don't have to feel that way.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Have you ever seen this house?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
That's soon.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Take 'em from an alleys and back.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's a bag of General Walker's house.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
No, I don't at that's for a minute. I haven't
been in the back of the just I don't know
why Wink's house. I didn't hm what'd uh.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
What did uh Hall say about how would end moved
down the walker or haven't visited yet?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I I I mean, I think you mentioned the words
one time. Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Where's the effect on the time that he had met
General Walker went? I it just met him, that's all.
I didn't see any twitch about him. I think I
recall not not certain. I'm pretty sure though you said
he had.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Made Did you ever have a feeling insted in low?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Was it froun for somebody else? And how they have
a bigger backer or a contact or.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
That you wasn't doing a source of money or did
the holler or edicate that?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Uh, I only mind, Like I said, I met mister
WoT one time and there was nothing disgusting me. Uh,
this is one took the trifal to or something and
parted with them. But uh, from what I've gathered, I
mean the this is a lot of this is uh
Hall matst Uh Yeah, uh made uh statements about about this.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
A lot of this was just kind of what my
personal think is that.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I think there was some kind of uh oilman uh
or type connection there. I mean, how about as all
huh well, Hall's m uh was mentioned to him. He
said he knew 'em and uh he met other oil
men at some kind of petroleum clubs or some country club.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Some m that he made his speech, you know, but uh,
I don't That's all I can give you that.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Well, if you met uh Walker, if you don't know
Walker other than that concert somewhere.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know if you met Hunt, but I think
he mentioned him that.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Uh he might have made him or some of this
because he said he attended a or made a speech
at at uh a country club where some of the
oilman I think, uh, something like this petroleum when you
watch some something.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I sort remember him saying something about.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It not too much.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What was this sky weep?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
His name?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
He's coming up California.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Uh. I met him prior to our live in Los
Angeles area. This is where it's lots more in kind
of knowledge time. This is where we picked up the
trailer and uh left him. What kind of weapons do
you have? They were all legal?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
They not I'm under any other hobby b tides Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Uh he we had import to yeah, thirty caliber and
there was a scoope on two. This has been bobbed. Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
There was a school weapon and there was uh in
one s standard in one grands and uh importing uh
modified uh strictly uh uh excuse strictly semi though? How
many of rather we had about sixteen uh long arms
all together?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What do they who provided them? Some of them came
from our Picago arms.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Have watched Urchiagua Arms Company one Orchiago?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
How do you spell that? Yeah? Uh, let's see RK
something like that. It's on uh city industry. He was
he was why name what is that?
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He was Uh he's a Cuban.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Uh he was uh the uh top uh armist uh
ordinance man for Fidel Castro. What do you watch? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
And then he's he switched, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
He switched and uh started.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I don't know he's supposed to it, but I know
I met him through home.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Do you connect it with we? I don't think so.
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't believe
he was theack with Tom Gale. I don't know if
he was or not.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Uh the.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Uh what did we have to do?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Was he provide some alms or no?
Speaker 7 (09:37):
We?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Uh? From what I've gathered from UH, what I found.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Out is town I where is tim about oh pee's
uh that talbot?
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Yeah, I played very stats.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Do you have International operation has any day?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Do you mind your sist down?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
No? I think he's he just stuff with us. Uh,
there's dog. What do you say? Thing's interesting?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What? Uh?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
What?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Uh? What was this?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
What did he do with sixty three? I mean what
was uh?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, I don't know what he was doing well, I
mean was he uh uh something in that you went playing?
Or I don't know if he's something at you or anything.
I know that you know tall, I don't uh what
what did amunsters?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
They used to Uh? I think he belonged or some
kind of uh what is it organization?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You know, Christian or some kind of Uh, I'm not certain,
but they used to have meanings at his house, used
to hand out those shares. Last time I seen him,
he was uh active on marching to Washington and this
was in I think sixty four organizing cam Uh. I
guess they used to have means.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Are after what's waits Kindash was long in the hal.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I don't know how they met or anything.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Uh he.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Waits Uh it's uh.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I guess just helped him. I mean, uh, they used
his house to wait rich No, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So what did it? Did it big?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Was it a fair description of the week?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Did you say he's uh a conservative? Uh?
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Uh a guy who's kind of is it in action
and uh in doing something or rather than others.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
His uh uh an actor that saw that?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Or yeah, I think it would be uh a fair
description that he was interested in doing something too? That
Why did I go an anti communist from Yeah?
Speaker 7 (11:24):
One thing I was uh surprised about was uh when
the Bradley made the public statement that he didn't uh
didn't know Lauren Hall, because uh, we know a number
of different people over the Metal Hall through Gene Bradley,
and that I Braday's introviusion is Lorenzo Pascidio.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And uh do you know any reason why Bradley would
to say he did not know Holler?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Or no none?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
As a matter of fact, all that no, I.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Wasn't aware of is to just recently that uh that
they didn't didn't know what each other or or people
have say much and I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Know what they did or did.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
How did you know the Hall New Week?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Because Hall took me down the huts using what was
the how you used for? I told you some kind
of that they had means it was uh anti communist
type uh organization. I guessaid I I'm not that keen
on the background of what.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
No varaji. All you had it was reloaded equipment.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I mean, this is just uh it's nothing you know extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
About people care, arms and munitions.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, uh, I never seen any He he had reloading
equipment and that was it. Eating day, reloaded a lot
of animal how much reloading?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
We just had just a standard Uh, I mean nothing
you know belongs.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
To that right, just wanna set at home. There's nothing
I mean we want send actually even reloaded enough A
lot don't down. But it was a nothing No uh
no big set.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Of butt any time.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I haven't been in California since.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Uh most of this uh reason actually the comments uh
uh uh Do you know whether uh holler said anything
about knowing Bradley?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
No? Ye, I see No, I mean I don't I
don't remember. You don't of your own all? What do
they that? No, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
I judge that you know, do you bridates, because because
you're one up in the picture, there is a resemblance.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uh yeah, well not well, how were.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You going to be a Briday Well just mad him
that when the first time in court, the first and
only time, and required that anything I knew about him, it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Is his news, Uh, the newspapers picture and uh that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Why do you contact Why haven't you ever contacted him?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You're a lawyer?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, lawyer?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
That that was mister Jimson Whit whit didd Brither.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
That with his favor.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Mean, what what do you think that I think that
this I left for Mexico on Christmas Day?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think just shortly before that.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think this is when uh east or east of
pinion him or something or wanted to extrad him. I
think this is when I first became a word.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Friday, do you do you have anything to find in Mexico?
You're friends? Uh huh uh huh uh do.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
You know about uh any trips to Mexicolo than any
of these people were talking about those in sixtieth great?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Uh No, how about uh Jeryo Patrick camp Well? I
I don't know for sure, but I think in sixty three, I, uh.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Was it about all that's October?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I'm not certain that they they uh the insurance and
it was a commonology because it came out of the.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Paper in TV in Miami area.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
They uh the insurance of financing uh uh financing him
the who looked for Alexander working.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
This was a great chandors and.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Uh yeah it's fair. Yeah, but uh, I think that
was very uh uh bale fans name.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I think a riam rest it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I think I think it was uh Enrico Molina. Uh
uh I I've seen his name in this somewhere. I
think was supposed to w blew him down there. I'm
not certain of this rica who uh Molna. I'm not
certain though, that's what I hurt and uh I I
he may have been and there may have I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
It just may have uh been in.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Mexico at that time.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I don't know. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I'm not certain.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Do you have that ask if you a uh All
and rip uh All says he knew him. Guy, I
think I remember all standing in New Molan.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, you ever anything about chers you ork a All?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Don you?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I know Malini used to work, I mean back and
forth jump around between Miami and New York.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
No, I don't know what who you aund? No, he
used to jump around ah to Miami in New York.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Uh what about Howard Davis?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Did you get one? Yeah? Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
What?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
What's Davis star?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
What he?
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Uh no matter of I underst uh he was in
cure with Jerry.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He was supposed to be a roll Castro's personal pilot
and they both affected.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Uh I don't know together or what, but he and Jerry.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
When I uh in uh, I think it was uh
November octwol sixty two that I went down there and
uh threw and or joined his group.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
They were the uh leaders of the group, Davis and
uh and Patrick that day was wit like uh hm,
he's about five uh.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Five ten kind of chunky, you say, about a hundred
and eighteen a hundred Uh you know about hundred and
eighty ninety.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Right, and then what kind of uh what was it?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Holler like inflected like Blondie here and or sand uh.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Sing by right?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, town holler about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, I understand, Yeah, he's real good.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I understand he's uh uh flying between Miami and Vietnam
cargo over.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
So, I guess he has to be good to get
a commercial license. I guess what's kari of Patrick?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
He's in your alley are again he's working.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Understand.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Do you ever have uh Frank Fogs no holler, you
ever have occasion that uh neither hear of David Barrock?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
No not, I mean none too? Yeah, oh list plays?
How about the name Marty able av e l other
Marty gwent a a h abe. I don't think so.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
Do you know?
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Well if uh Gery Patrick ever let to go out
of Martin's, that's a great Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I don't know, not in sixty three.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I think it was in uh sixty two or sixty one.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I've got uh. I think you've got a copy of
don't you what right? You've a free free background? I
haven't okay, I think you've got copy of that's he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Want to have that?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Oh yeah, no it kay? You have manual manual pist
I do you remember si man of whom Parks was here? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I don't think some on the customers.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
How real is it? I think plus were plus what
ea get uh right? Change the language remembers you made
any that you.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Manilation one man that uh keeps stopping up in the case.
That's uh very interesting, is uh uh very short? Uh?
The stocky Latin uh was very interesting to the scar
on the left one is left eyebros. Does that make
(18:48):
the discuss of anybody you know?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And how was that? You don't have a picture, Well,
they don't have a picture of listener h this because
you saw that contain it's very Uh what is scar
left out?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That mistake? Right off hand? I can't I don't recall
anybody you ever said that was gone something about it? Oh?
Right off fantasy tell me about n have the other
discussed the uh atigation of these?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Tell the vagations that you good hold?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
No, well, haven't see other thoscots that never How do
you think.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
He knew about her apartment?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Was what her apartment might want? Or I don't know.
I don't know. It's you totably have the eye. I
didn't tell him it was a quite accurate information about it.
How one I I don't know. I've tried. I've tried,
uh retracing.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Uh you know our steps, you know, uh.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Supposedly as I know, we seen some American mom and
uh we want to see somebody else, but they went home.
I don't remember. Uh can you remember what you married?
The women you went to see? N?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I I don't I tried, I tried to uh picture
the names. Uh the only thing that uh uh standing
in stances with my mind. One of 'em, I think
it was uh. I didn't meet her, but the two
went on one of their girlfriends I think was uh
somebody Jerry Patrick, m Gon Howard, something like this.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I I'm not certain now if.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I recall, I think uh in one of his later statements,
one of a number of James statements, one of the
later statements in the Hall then say it was not
uh uh seeing more the wha ego they one was
a long time where than my ego?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Is that possible that?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, I I don't, I don't remember it. S mean,
I mean aside from.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Do you ever see a a lady with a hall
at my ego?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No? Uh, they don't. Just the American the American ladies
of boy, he don't I the view of us gid
do you think they mark? Yeah, strictly, I mean, no,
no doubt of of anything.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
But the American woman who was that?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
You?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well, one of 'em had a uh, a young daughter,
a teenage daughter, and the other one I don't uh
does Bill that though? No? No, Bill Bill wasn't with
us at all? What did they wanted had a teenage daughter?
Look like I don't remember. I else I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Did you talk uh English?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And there was no a lotin Oh?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
No, no, there there's there's no dot. I mean I
could be mistaken, but it's ye, I'm concerned. I mean
there there's no dogs. What's well?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Post of all the uh one of those evenings was
all uh that have gone?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
And uh was somebody else? Uh? For example? Was there
any other uh latins? That was what occasional? Ago? You
m the only ath what another uh have you said?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Lock mister Carson, I don't know 'em. I mean, I
honestly don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You well 'em every night?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
No, they weren't with 'em all the time. I mean, uh,
like I said, various times day and night. Uh you
would either argue with him with the three of us
to be together or uh or the or or we
wouldn't be there?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Did you ever go in that period?
Speaker 7 (22:03):
As Paul Ever was a uh young American who was
about Seymour's size when Seemoa was a fan to working
in Florida.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Seamore is you know?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Is uh family not versall?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
H all?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Was?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
He? Ever?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Was another America no, not, I don't remember meeting I
s a'say from Yeah. Uh while he Uh why the Yates?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Uh do you remember that? Why do that? Yeah? I
I I remember him vaguely.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Oh, yes, then but yeah I had a stall.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
He's he he's taller than then.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He's taught.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think he's tarter than the bill.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Uh the bill was around five. Did you say the
neighborhood shot? Yes, you must be a fard ten or
a lot These are a hold you.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
How many times did you allow see Yates?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
One time? Some time?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But is there any particular function or reason for that business? No?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
He said it was a friend of his and one
h How old did you stay last before?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Uh? I just uh about f M.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I would say about ten days.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Do you ever take that wherever it was that?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I don't remember the name of the motels that though. Yeah,
there was a more town this I liked. I made
uh a click call from there to my hands.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So do you remember Rocky right a walk? Yeah? It
was off Fuh there was uh with a mile so
there was Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I didn't mo air park cause you remember one time
the pet through it some big, huge park and then
uh it was off the.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Uh a freeway. Uh ran a couple of branches there
over a bridge and there and it was artry right and.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
There was uh little riding stand there's.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Out huh in a couple of washing you can't remember
it was an Alice Soppen.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
No, well, it just lives by there.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Did you ever have a games on the stuff there?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
No longs at all.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, just the one time i'd go over there. It
was in June, roughly fourth right on the sixty things.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Did say overnight?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
No, huh street through?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
No fall ever came. Yeah. I don't recall him saying.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So how about Patrick?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah? Patrick?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Is hearing interesting that they's.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Uh makes so secret about the fact that he's spend
here with Howard.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Davis, for example, going over the training area in north Way.
I had heard some of that. Did you ever hear
aything about that training area? I think there was an
article written. I think it was in the Dallas newspaper.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
This is I think the somebody said something about it
about him and uh that he had to train the
camp or something.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
But I ain't. I don't know about the camera.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Uh well, let me show you the picture of the
two men uh uh walking and one of 'em one
that they resemble.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
I think that did. Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
We asked you whether or.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Not the the the uh smaller person looked familiar or not?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
No one is in fact him?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, yes, yes, me doesn't.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Come out no, no you I mean you asked me, Yeah, no,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
It doesn't look really anyway about that?
Speaker 7 (25:00):
What a picture they man with a smart uh going
to the car. Just tell me what that do you
put in? The car had on the kind of black
ring got.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Let me ask you one more question about the hotel.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
You say it was just off the freeway?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Is it this?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Is that the same freeway that you could you go
out of Dallas toward Miami.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I don't remember, though, if I was up there behind it,
I I I think I could kind of it, but
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Tell me in tell me into your uh Dallas. You
were coming to the Los Angles, right, huh?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And mayde do the lot?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I w I think if I remember it's I would
say something the oscits leaving went off, passed down more
passed it downtown.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yes, you know this could be checked though, I mean,
uhuh if you could, cause I made a collection. I
don't know if it's what you was in trouble. But
I mean I I did make a collect.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Call from there to to my wife. I don't know
if you know.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm pretty sure it's still have it on record and
I had the Yeah, they receive up to I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
How long may you register on your own name? I
think so?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You usually regular AMA name?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Do howks with Carrol? Because hen won't want to have
the money?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Who's hand right.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Of the good show? Well?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Uh, this guy looks so man averybody? Who's because I
think it I was showing a picture of him though.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
You pick your gaming. Yeah, yeah, you said he looked
the order good like young man. He still looks a mad.
Speaker 10 (26:49):
How do you show those pictures that be that you
high grades did show your Now you can't see him?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Uh? No, when you first gave me to put your children,
give who looked for the HIMY still have some mean
but uh that's some.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
That no.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Ostle Uh Ostle's mascow visions seems to have occurred. Uh
seems to begun relaship Uh about the end of September
sixty three. By October third, Uh, these registered the YMCA dollars.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Just happy about time? What do you know? Uh? Are
any other individuals that were in Mexico at the same.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Time a hostiles start.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
No, I don't think they A. Do you know of
any individuals who might that?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
No, I say from maybe uh Pat Trick. I mean, uh,
I don't know. I don't know about that area of
different I'm.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Going that way of risings another way. You arrived in Dallas?
Uh October third, or let's see go before that, because
you're there or October.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Thir in Dallas? Yeah? Yes, Uh well, dif me.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
While you're there about especially around the third, can you
recall anybody r else arriving in Dallas?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Who might have been in Mexico?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
H Did the hating show up while you were there
in in Dallas?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah? No, why me?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Did anybody else appear?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Real?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You wanna go? Oh? No? When did you decide to
come to Dallas in California? Uh? Oh, I guess a
couple of weeks before that. Whose idea was it? Uh? Honks?
He was kind of the idea, man.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well, I mean, uh it, it's it seems like I'm fa.
I'm not like I told you when I got a
DOWNFESTI was really long when I got back, you know,
I called him and came over and say, mean he
told me what he had and what he wanted to do,
And I said, okay, I'll throw under you.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
And I mean we left, we left the LA area
and uh we went to Dallas.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
We came to the ways, not the Wise but the
out pass, and we stopped there and we went across
the border and had them to eat a few drinks,
and we crossed back when he came straight in.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Uh when did he go? And s and see low?
What day was it?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Afore the third?
Speaker 5 (29:29):
No more?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Cause I think if I remember correctly, I think I
don't win. But I don't remember what we I don't
rememb what time we got in. But it wasn't Uh,
it wasn't right away. I mean it was within a
couple of days old of of us getting there Dallas.
Well then the uh and you left playing What the
days you left Dallas?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah? Uh, I I would say, roughly by October the
uh tenth ride and there give her.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Take any special reason why you all stayed at Dallas
so long after you saw well over?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I mean it was what else was he doing? I
don't know you? I mean, he like I said, see
he hadn't it was his show.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
In other words, he had gotten the days together Laney
the goodies, and he was, you know, taken care of
the finances there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So it was his show.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
And uh from the first time when when when went
to see log that they kept me out of the car,
I mean they kept me in the car right of
him and uh uh I got a wren there. He
didn't want me to meet uh his contacts or uh
so he was running the show.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I mean that this is it. This is not you know,
ask him about that. This These are the facts.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
You know he ever went to the Yams and you
guys going up there.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
No, he's looking for a couple of childrens Uh, I
can't think of that name and one of 'em not, man,
I can't think of it right now. Uh, I just
can't think of his name right now. Well, pop up
in him home. He wanted to make contact with him
son like something that seemed think they were.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
In Dallas at that No, where did he seem to
feel at the study, say.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Was seeing hurt?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You want any state Morris, see a load up in
the crystal building a summer.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
See the newspaper, no think uh yeah, no, no, see
any gude ors guyls, no cause just I a number.
I love the fires.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You know, did you ever find out who this guy was?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Especially saying out.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
No I, I I assume that it was uh lower
through the little lower some of this, But no, I
don't don't lose make Northans too.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
But all I can recall though, unless year when you
a lot of times you saw in uh Miami and Uh,
I guess November since you think, what, yeah sixty thing?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
No I Uh, I'd see the week before hunting season
closed up. UH this year, I uh, this would have
been November, but November.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
The first uh excuse me? Last year?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Uh, I went hanging up by uh above Kernville. I
went into the other side doing that cross coming back
across the mountains, and I did ask to see uh
uh as long as I was in that area, I
thought i'd stop in and see him because I wanted
UH ask him what to handle you know why he
had Uh. I was pretty well pretty bitter about you know.
I was finally brought me into the same form. But
I couldn't find him. I mean I didn't really.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Look for him.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I just I heard he was running at more Town
on the way down from UH I don't know if
you're familiway from uh quake and asking him down to Kernville.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I I stepped at a few places.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
You wanted to find out why and make it famous?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well famous? My god, this kind of thing there to
doo with Donalds. And I shouldn't better towards you any way,
but I can see your you know yeah yeah, but
my goodness, the our our kidness side, I mean, uh more,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I would make that for how did you never play
in that summer of sixty four? Summer sixty four?
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Oh uh it? What's that mean?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It circuit bats nolle a lout of Alma sixty four?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Same place was there abouteen a half years? You know
a normal called universal in or a lot universal innerwe
I don't think so. He ad a lot of cos
Wi the side and graphic service service. U.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I don't think so unless unless this this is uh
where the old comes in, because I read in the
book he says it lows a a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well, I don't know if it's true or not. But
he told me when uh you know, when he went
to see him.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
But he was I think a geologist used to go
out uh uh you know, for all the friends of
this type of thing, and then you say this, uh
or semis?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
What'd you say? See? U was the word you used,
did y'ell? Uh a semiologist or seismograph? What s oh?
I don't know the good lad well this.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Came r his name, y'all stop and fought worth at all?
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
No, huh how much?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Just called Roy Hargrave.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Uh before I got after your us opinioned me, I
was still in Mexico and uh I anyway, he called
before I got back. He called my wife off and
he wanted to talk to if he was in the
hospital at the time and in Almani where I lived.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I hadn't seen him since uh sixty three, So I
know the songs like like I I don't know how
it's gonna son, but uh I found out just just
uh right after all this broke to Jerry and Roy
were living with and I'd say about uh a mile
from me, for what it's worth, I wasn't aware of
it until until this broke.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Anyway, he said he wanted to come. My wife told
me he wanted to come to contact me. So uh,
shortly after I got back, I contacted him, and he
told me, Uh, I'll tell you what he told me.
He says that, uh, you had been uh more or
less harassing him and Dick Walkley up in uh Baton
moods that you've been asking the questions about no name
and uh how about the other fellas and about me
(35:22):
at home.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
In Baton Rouge.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, there's someplace that really was. Now whether this is
true or I don't.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Oh, I think we mentioned Hargrave's name since he was
since he came.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
By you Patrick allad He used to say that frightened.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I don't think we mentioned a hard Grave's names.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Well, I I I came by with Patrick last night.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
I hope if we mentioned him as name of sense Oh,
I don't write over all and he said we were
harassing him.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, first, not a question.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
Maybe I should have said this note of crazy impression
in your mind that you shouldn't come or something like that.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Why wh why did you see to accomplished with the visit? Well?
I I seen him.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Uh Uh, I seen him in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Why do you wanna see you?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well, I just wanted to why.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I guess the impression I got was to let me
know about uh that you had uh been imquoring about
me and.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
A time of nor name or something like this. This
see this is the impression of God. I mean, I
don't wanna. Uh, I don't know how to say.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
I just don't wanna.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
Do you haven't said anything im from any about him
in this story? Well yeah, but it sounds like I'm
just pulling names at random.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
And do you say, is there any patch of garden
love all?
Speaker 1 (36:35):
No, you haven't, but I've seen I uh just wonder
have you ever seen him before?
Speaker 7 (36:41):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I uh happen?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He said that he remember saying mum.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Lamed key, and uh, I see the one dog, mumbmamed key.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
That's how it came up.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Uh, keep all up?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Uh nobout was the mon Uh?
Speaker 3 (36:58):
What was said out about?
Speaker 5 (36:59):
How got the idea that.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
He'd require He told you don't name?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
He was pasted when he was there. Well, maybe maybe
he told you it was not correct. Well maybe I'm
mis understood, and I don't know. I don't think I did,
but maybe I did.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
It was possible the time destroyed him when you go
out with it.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
No, because later on he told me, uh, uh I've
seen him again. I think I seen him about three
or four times since Jerry I've seen him a three times.
Uh h uh in so many words he said that
uh af After uh the judge he said, I didn't
have to come. He said, well maybe if you want,
He says, I can look into it and I maybe
(37:35):
I can contact him and see if he still wants
to see him. At that time, he seemed like he was,
uh he wanted to be help. I mean as far
as uh it has no no hardly, he just wanted
to help, uh Patrick. Patrick doesn't commit himself. I mean
I've asked him, well, what do you think maybe he
he doesn't commit himself. I mean the people all yuh
(37:58):
he's he's gonna see he.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Investigation.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes, I mean that's just from what uh Roy told man,
from what uh Jerry was told me.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
That's why I feel. I mean, uh, like I told
mister Gaston, I don't in no way in planning me
uh uh anyway.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
But I mean he like a lot of these Cuban names.
I mean he uh believe in his incredible credit is doing.
Jerry is shark and he's intelligent. I mean in no
way you know, playing anything out for us. But I
mean he all of these people, he might or could
n you know, maybe go help you.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
With the names, uh, because you knew so many people
of the people like uh Jerry Patrick.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Uh what is uh?
Speaker 7 (38:41):
What is his opinion of of these uh other people
you know human days about his assassination, they must have
expressed opinions.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, I I haven't had too much contact with him
because uh aside from personal you know, friends and some
of that would come from out there, because you know,
after this happened. I I mean I was working over there.
Oh well at the time before what happened, I was
working nowhere and I've been I haven't. Uh, I never
have gone back to the Mame area.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
See were you in called that work or you're in
communication for uh around that time?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I remembers No, well, uh last time when we we
broke up, was uh the matter fallen out? Was uh
shortly after he lost the trailer and supplients or not
the trailer, but uh some of the supplients.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Uh, wasn't it a lot of families?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No, I was uh roughly about uh the uh around November,
very real early November. Either a lot of a lot
of part of up to it or well, tell me
what was it?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
What was the only reaction when you had about the pacitation,
Did you think it all was all of his name?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
No, I din't gone back connectionally because you know, uh
work was disrupted and uh I I I don't know
if you said it, but I remember I said, oh
it was the conservatives are gonna catch it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't appuind you. I mean this is uh, this
is my first reaction. Why do you think it's I
hadn't don't.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Y s genurograpy.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Your reaction uh becas uh you know some of these
people uh and knew the activity.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
That's all your reactions.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
I I mean, I that's address. It's nothing incriminating about it.
But uh, what was your your feeling about at the
time about what probably.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I'm sure that uh, well, my my feeling was that,
oh boy, all these lob mouths that are one time
or other that U I was made statements about uh
either peaching or or I mean i'd heard anybody say.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Well, I mean I uh to tell you true, I mean, uh, y,
I went to a lot of meetings.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I mean when we should get ready of him by me,
I don't I mean I think this is normal though,
I mean U uh uh this isn't. I don't think this,
uh you know, uh that's so being this and that
I mean, uh I.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
Think this is this is uh what do you think
when the when the the United States announs, h uh
the hospital h of Lonely commanis well.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
My uh state of truth?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I was kind of relieved that it was. I mean,
uh you know, and and uh uh I I didn't
die it for a minute, you know at that time.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
One of the curious things is that, uh, even while
they were saying that, and even while Osbald was being
out in jail, the FBI in California was.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Invested being Lawren Hall. Did you know that happened in
twenty four hours?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
No, uh, huh, that's true in twenty for holes, it's
not well you've been asking me, can I ask you know? Oh? Yeah,
d I mean, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 10 (41:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Do you feel that uh he could have been.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Involved u uh all that we or three of us
uh oh actually this this way, I feel that he
knows some of the key people.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I don't necessarily feel those to himself.
Speaker 8 (41:40):
Involved, but I feeling most people. Uh I feel in
uh Iver thought I really.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Began when he tuned out the FBI was frigging into
him within twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
And uh they but.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
That's father hadn't never come to a surface of result
about investigation.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
But uh uh, that's why they feel.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
But he's it's calved in an actoric way.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
We don't be alive. Not that way.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
You haven't charged him with anything. I don't consider potential bids,
but call him as the witness.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
We feel like he.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Could tell us great dale.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Uh, either about Sylvia Ohio's visits or not.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
But he said he was that no I remember, but
well they came him and they said, I said, and
uh I t I told him. I think I told
uh it was who be? I toldhim one, I said,
number one, I says, uh, I know he's lying because
and I pointed out to him at Seymour and I
were never en bounced together, so it couldn't have been.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
The three of us.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I said, if any if if any persons that if
Paul and two other person visitors, I heard it had
to be hauled aboy he and myself. I mean, cause
it couldn't have been me and Seymour. This number one,
I mean I pointed out at right away number two.
I didn't recall and I didn't remember visiting any MISSISSI.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
But uh he said he was there about the detail,
so proctically think he was there.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
I've got it that now from from the uh from
the books and uh I've seen that FBI reports. And
he give us uh it says to the General Schoen
his description and as.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Going all over to talk to us and and not lie.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
I think he could give us some very valuable information
about some really interesting people. He seems to have been
there in November too about uh.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Again, does that make him a defender? Now? Maybe when
they're nd No, oh, answer you a question. Let me
ask you this.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Have you ever been to downtown with the downtown.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Went in the markery?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
You remember ever.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Going to that Otto place while you were in Dallas
and all over go there?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I don't remember.
Speaker 12 (43:41):
You know if you know someone named Warren Raynolds and
oak Cliff Wren when school?
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Yeah, do you know what old Cliffs that's a.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Part of Dallas?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
No, Uh, I don't think so. The uh no, uh
huh you don't when I uh all has been in
the hospital's uh in British type opera. Well, this is
what I heard.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Did you ever mention Gordon or London.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Lam, I don't recall him. You ever had an off
on he had of Presby.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
That's the name.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I was trying to think of Kresby Presbury, Myti.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I think we've seen uh a uh what you try
to see a final blue kit uh when we were
in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
That's the name I was saying. I was thinking of it.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
That's the name of Kresby Allsparo.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Okay again, yeah, yeah, what does he looked about? I
don't know. I never remember.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
He's Cuban and he's supposed to be an active or
a leader in some uh organization.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I'm not sure which. But that's the name of Presbury.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
I knew, I I was.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
It was right.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
It was run until my town somewhere. That's the name Prespi.
There was another one in addition to Krestby.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Your name, yeah, uh, I can't think of it.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I think I think they were from I'm not sure,
but I think I recall and being from uh either
A Alpha sixty six or commendo e one twenty questions, Ben,
you I mean this is uh?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I I'm not, I don't. I mean, I'm most sorry
cause I'm not.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Actually what was there all of Alpha Si Si uh
at that time law sixty grade.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
They were uh Alpha sixty six. It was uh it
was a pretty effective organization.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
They were making runs and they were making uh well
out of the R.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
What was that.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Well, I'm not that familiar with the RG, not that's men.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
But did uh which of these organizations did uh Long
have contacts with?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, honestly, the best of my knowledge, he we had
normal solid uh endorsements or or or contacts. He knew
uh a few nighbors and a few people, but he
didn't really have any any solid contacts.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I mean, uh he didn't. He was kind of getting
a prison to try to get when he started that. Yeah, yeah,
uh huh.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
He he knew names that uh he claims a word
from the station he was with the Castro and uh.
But my personal opinion is he didn't have uh very
many contacts and the ones he did were very larried
to him because uh.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
After the uh.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
The thing, uh well after the thing fell through that
the boat was taken. See, all the arms weren't taken.
This is a a misconception and Everybodyson you think all
the things were taken, they weren't there were still certain
goodies left.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
And then I tried on my own to to uh
to uh various.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Contacts I had see if we could still get a boat,
and right of 'em to tell me you're working with
home A lot of 'em. As soon as they found
out I was working with him, they, I mean, these
were close friends of mine that had confidence to me.
But uh, as soon as they found out, they dropped me.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Why was it that a loud of mouth?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Well, I I, oh, he was definitely a loud mouth.
I mean, I don't know if this had any baring,
you know, Uh, but uh, he was definitely a.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Lot of month and was one of the life one
us that's stay away from him. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
There was a a rumor that came down where we
were in that area that uh I lives just hair
say now but some give him I don't remember his name.
Uh came down said uh that we were under a
real type surveys because uh supposedly Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Put out a directive to keep us in the area
and not let us go on.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Now this I don't know if this is true. Now,
I mean this is I mean, I I I definitely
heard this. I don't know if it's true though, I
can't no way know what I can you know, swear
to or anything like that. And Sarraings was pretty tight
on his.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Uh you got Haul's well, I don't know. I I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I think if it had been handled why we could
have made it. But uh he it's just in in
my opinion, it's just too incompetent or or pretend to be.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Do you know if uh Hall's.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Connection with the men of man Loss, No, Uh, we
don't know if you had any.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
I mean I I don't know if you had any
What was all the connection with their kid?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Uh? He claims the new work Yeah were from uh
his uh news of Castro, and I guess just the
buying of the uh firens he did deal with it.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, now we we'd we'd got s uh some of
the firems or most of 'em from him.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
We pick up all over happening.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
That were on the Long Beach.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Uh in you the leaguer, No, see, I mean, I
don't know. I don't know, I say nobody. What I
mean is I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
I in the Ramperts, I read.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
About the Yeah sen Hill.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Uh, how did you have when you first to meet
doctor Morris.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Uh tener mean this is uh a gym uh uh
uh I think.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
The high school a uh twin on Saturay. Now he
was uh giving a speech have one with some people, and.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Then you went back to see Adams.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, but yeah because uh hall was uh well, I
already met him. I just uh just met him briefly.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
What did you need there?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
That was ambly Uh It had to have been uh
roughly in May or April sixty ten. Who you go? Uh,
I'd rather not say.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I mean these these were a real uh uh people
that uh I mean he was ahivery night they were
yeh he were. I conserned the people that uh a
uh said why don't you attend a meeting them?
Speaker 1 (49:31):
And uh I made him were there? Oh there was
ah it was not a twin you know.
Speaker 10 (49:37):
It was a school in high school at a twin.
Oh like there was a what you did any Cubans.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Speak on sae gro No? No, uh huh there was
Cubans that I don't know, oh I did. It was
just just a tenthe meegion and uh gell you thinking about?
And I was introduced to a d or Son you
remember when Sam lead Uh, Well, you're the gb S
uh head courses there you presently the name M Bill.
(50:09):
What was the name of that organization that uh?
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Henry Wade group?
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Uh? And uh a a pair of uh pair of
play the kids give its area three k t na. Yes,
that was the cue.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Have you ever heard of wlan Haller?
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Was book?
Speaker 7 (50:26):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (50:26):
When was the uh Restan or Seymour?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Uh? For some reason they know that the uh Seymour
and Haller was the name of the Free Cuba Committee? Uh?
What is the reasons that I? I I don't is uh?
Is this the Free Cuba Committee? Uh? Or the Committee
of Free Cuba?
Speaker 7 (50:41):
Well?
Speaker 3 (50:42):
I I who the variations of the uh?
Speaker 1 (50:45):
What did you different?
Speaker 7 (50:46):
Was?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Well?
Speaker 3 (50:48):
And then there's a Freedom a Cuba Party.
Speaker 13 (50:49):
I w there differently the same I've got Uh. Maybe
I can give you some names of leader. I am
well American Committee to Free Cube, that's about yes, but
that's in California.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I don't know the head of that at that time
was uh uh Uh William R.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Lanon, William R. Allons Ali Right, that's about the formal name.
And I a family. I don't know what this is.
When the hall or the rest of the scene, or
they give the information that they have members of the lead.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Uh pretty cure for committee.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
That uh who else belongs to that?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Well, I I don't want I.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Think a group of times the other think sure, well alright, uh.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Uh The first I came in contact with this this
committee was uh in uh about uh equal of a
lot of part of May right around there of sixty
three was uh.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Uh who was it?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I think it was through Bob Brown and Steve Wilson.
I think uh th I think this is a this
is what kill in the prospectable organization. Yeah, I think
that doctor Teresa.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Or del hu who was one of the h on
the board or something.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
He's pretty active in uh antit Castro ORF theres in
your Los Angeles area.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
But this is no in in no way has any
kind of a a military branch of ye know, just
that I know you know, yeah, this is uh was
this the group uh that.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
After Mars spoke for I don't know, uh, I I
know that uh Steam Wilson, uh that they give uh
Steam someoney.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
To help him be back to uh Miami area.
Speaker 5 (52:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
If this is the same group that Holler and STEAMOA
make the reference to.
Speaker 7 (52:32):
I don't know, let me tell his start an influence
the anivisht assassination that was the.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
The uh, probably several flocks the assassinated rest.
Speaker 12 (52:46):
Probably maybe Dollard has a program a Manu Act Responsible
Junion and these extrips of people had actually been.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
A private spy sponsor you that to do the job.
And now as I say, probably they.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
Never did it.
Speaker 14 (52:59):
And recently you had about two yet at scabs to
come up some of these people. Have you gotten back
to people that gave him the money initial and said nope,
he did it.
Speaker 4 (53:10):
Why did you give us a whole lot more money?
Speaker 14 (53:12):
And would keep bought that and as it was out,
some of these people would bet about talk.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
What do you understand that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (53:19):
I anytime?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Have you ever had any any uh no, nuh? You
mean the ones that were trying to black man with
these people, they were.
Speaker 15 (53:24):
Trying to black man the original You have losses by
clay and maybe falsely when they did it.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Just take me play I know and say up you
might stand more about it.
Speaker 5 (53:34):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
There were so many and they intern of in uh
murdered you too. Yeah, I don't cause that's what good.
This is some animation which recois to see you like
about an interesting story. Uh no, I never heard of
anything that mm some of that that was guess that boss. Uh,
I don't, I don't know. I like I swear a
(53:55):
trend right. I had ten of.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Various smooths, but I mean they weren't to to discuss
the I mean, but uh, people could come up for
if some egent should be taken out of office on
the liberalism, socialism, trind and all this type of thing.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
We should do something about it and't it.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
But I mean, uh, I think the the this is
this is normal.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I mean uh, I mean you know, just uh, I
think a person's title gives yeah. I mean, especially if
you mad. I mean, uh feel like when I heard
what uh I I cussed you out. I mean, uh, damn,
he's yeah, I mean he's trying to shot me. I mean,
you know when when you say that I wasn't in
uh in Dallas up until the assassination at.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
This and that my god, I was shocked at the
you know, and I cussed you out. I mean, uh,
but I don't. I mean, I I believe this is
my pro john time to do this.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
I mean, uh, do you know how many uh contacts
uh Lauren Holler elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
No more, there was no stops in Florida, sh Tom Duncan.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
He's a or was beliance reporter, Uh a doctor Crockett.
But I mean he's uh the these are people that
talk to rob him. Uh he's from Miami. It's a dentist.
But all he did he just uh he's Uh. There's
(55:17):
no time that I I feel would be could possibly
get tired. Uhbout Saint Petersburg. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Any of Carlos car Lovely.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Just just from uh uh either been uh asked his
name or I?
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Uh how about the Richards in they gal?
Speaker 1 (55:36):
I don't think so yeah they no. What about Dannis Holler? Yeah, yes,
uh huh what do you have about him? Uh? No
one he's a homosexual.
Speaker 5 (55:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
I got a book here that he helped brown and
that's translator. Uh he's he's a just amation brings back
patures of uh Jerry n.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
You don't let's see see I really could.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Well yeah but uh Harper Uh is it harp power
or hop well Harry is right here hard her I guess,
isn't it. Oh understand that h mm you donna flow
from there.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
I don't smart of UM.
Speaker 5 (56:21):
Don't know, is that da?
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah, it was in Florida and you were associating him
at any time with the other group.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Well, he looks to.
Speaker 7 (56:34):
Me here unless he's one of those guys went to
the fen where there was forecast go earlier and then
later on un dropped podcast.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
Always came you better a California kid. M looks to me.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
That's I mean, Uh, I.
Speaker 6 (56:50):
Don't know any Jack Lawrence, h Jack Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
He has a little name of Carroll, and I have
known him as Jack Carroll.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
I don't think so, look's near, but I don't I
don't remember.
Speaker 4 (57:01):
I mean this the seven one.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Was wh what's the story of uh days hot?
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Uh just uh, well, nothing really except that I don't
uh him and uh Edward Collins, I don't I think,
I don't know if he's stopped up anymore. Yeah, him,
they used to bump together. I mean, I don't mean
that Collins was. I mean, but he used to you
know live.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
That's what I heard.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
You know, I'm under a mysterious circumstances. One that was
really interested was bombed around too. Is he wasn't, by
the way, No, cause he was really he claimed he
wanted to uh to write a book about all these
anti casts to the train and the phasing dollars. That's
but yet, oh you come right back to uh uh
(57:48):
Collins and Home, Seymour, Howard and Odio.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
I mean right back.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
You know we'd throw in five ten minutes of and
uh come right back to the same thing, and then
trying to and he's the one that brought uh.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
Oh, would you do you feel that there was no
real uh attempt to development?
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Was uh on his part?
Speaker 7 (58:07):
Well, the back around the knowledge and instead of taking
into times about new knowledge?
Speaker 1 (58:11):
Is this day don't shen't the right time?
Speaker 3 (58:13):
It was?
Speaker 8 (58:13):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (58:14):
So I got turned to look, Uh what is it
you wanna know? I mean you keep the referring back
to the same thing.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
This would be typical of the way is as the.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
I a uh apala hamps way. Uh didn't Why well
is uh do you give her a GIFs to him?
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (58:30):
To Uh?
Speaker 3 (58:31):
This is your for example that haven't appeared.
Speaker 7 (58:33):
But uh, if you're a very insting person, you coming
back to you this man, you take this man's terrific back.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Yeah, I knowed, Well, I'm curious, Uh, how did you
mention him why he doesn't develop it anyway? Well, I
don't know, I I I.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
I was kind of uh any impression he might have
been working for you. I, I mean this is my
most him. Oh, this is just my personal inferient.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Be called much. You can't understand the information.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
Well, he's been doing a lot, didn't he, because uh
he used this other training always as.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
A color you know doubt.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
What were some of the other associative collegs, Uh, well,
all of us in cons Collins was involved in a
lot of boxing and marian ers. You know this type
of thing. Uh, all the ones that uh on the key,
I mean that uh the marathon deal with well the
Collins and uh I mean professor that's Dennis.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Harper or Harbor he uh him. Uh, that's about I
can think of. What was him?
Speaker 3 (59:36):
Parfastors real. He doesn't seem like the Silvis are type.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
No, well, yeah, he wasn't. Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:43):
He's just interested in, uh the activities, interested in what
white What was the time to Counterence?
Speaker 1 (59:49):
I don't know, I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
You know, doctor kisso the alical Yes, I mentioned am
more that he's had Eric thank you? Or what Oh,
I don't know if he's h but I know he
was uh active at all? If he's hadn't, that's where
uh Lion, because I like.
Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
About Riccardo Davis.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
No I I I know who you're making reference to,
because I I've been asked of it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
No, Manua Gyel, No, I think I've I've seen that
list as you. I've been asked at. If I've seen it,
I've been asked him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Now have there any alls?
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Is it a new list? Oh? Is that right?
Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Oh, I haven't seen anything, Edward Butler. No, I how
about Manuel Tars?
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Have you ever heard of that by any of the
Manuel Tars?
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Well, just just from uh, I've heard it somewhere just so,
I mean recently, either through l I've either been asked
with Steve or I've read.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It in Harold's book or about many evil Tars.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Is that I mean saying I've I've heard of him?
Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Uh as is a life or anything?
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Uh? Yes? Well?
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
They yes, but too too? Is any the building too good?
The real life stoles you run home by nine, that's all,
But this is all the foom you have some other
stay No, cause he was leaving. He had to leave
at the same morning.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
That's what he say, casting one two three four, testing
one two three four.
Speaker 15 (01:01:29):
As I, uh, in other ways that I couldn't this
camel days later, staying once he said it like I and.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
This is understandable. I I I think I see your
side of it, because I I stayed.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
If I was in your shoes and uh, Lawrence Hart
pumped up and these knowing these people have been here
or done this or this and this, Uh, I would
be interested.
Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Too, but uh by the same open Uh you go
opera this and they was rud help.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
What's your camera call? That's good enough for me, and
I will uh go out of my way to see
that that's made of it. Well, this is what I
found that fine mon.
Speaker 15 (01:02:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I actually I don't feel that I got much just now.
I mean that I haven't already said, but I got off.
And uh, i'll vot before the grand.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Gary or you wanna bring witnesses to me? Do you
wanna send me to them?
Speaker 12 (01:02:14):
Fine?
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
I got to pick a couple of snapshots here of
what I look like in sixty three. Uh, of course
I look like.
Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Now I'll give me what I can and what I know,
and that's all I can do right, just they're nothing
there nothing to me.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I'm gonna make a call before it's too late.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I want to do that. You might wanna show there's
an r S of the pictures and you rip the second?
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Is it a personal tone?
Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
A little white that you want me a brag at?
Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Marsst you haven't little cub last night? You want that
holder of pictures? You can you get at all? Do
you mean?
Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
How do you stum? I'd just spend my times? What
that was? Well? Yeah? How the group rock group? I
was stem with too? I set or luck or eat out?
Was there noisy around the hotel? No merry makers? When
you had that one? Normal one? Hum clare, I want
(01:03:26):
to go to around there? Oh here are huh right?
Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Holler your rump stick?
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Do you spell? Many ones sing around m very loud
the breath. Want you said that? What have a bean?
That just services that? When in there a doult talking
about that?
Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Yeah at twelve you said white?
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Or about some time against the brass tell there's you
wore out that you used to never like that? That's
inst jobs and bumbo again?
Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Where fast and still fastening?
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
How that mom? What happened in clod On ground hand.
Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Not the hist ones.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
You know. If I haven't seen her name, I want
to recognize him. No, right, it's nag uh m from
uh it's next day in the city.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, very Mississi the way he beats from mississ City
home about Dalla See and what one night m reminds me?
Ever heard of that minute in Miami? And uh mississip
or lived in the spot as a kind of like.
Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Either cook Court No, yeah, I don't just or do
you ever trained in the pro Jack? Uh? He tried
any of the Uh this isn't about uh.
Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
September or eive or.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
As long as September. One of about two recomides who
was the lake is why Marsant?
Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Why was he Jack White?
Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Oh? Okay, we weren't.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Uh, we weren't interested in the Uh is that you know,
taking that he was, especially with anybody.
Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Else you trained or living on in Weren't this What
kind of personality did you have? Was he rough carricter?
Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Or was used to move talking or this moo?
Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I don't know that there's a he was uh this character?
I mean I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I'm not no less you know those familier I don't
know if you got you back on on him and
some of that area.
Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Let's say, you know with the guy you get at
mine the first who talk? Yeah? Hid No, some of
(01:06:32):
these people, I mean I know I know who they are.
That the people, Yeah, that's one of the one. That's
uh Morten and Martin?
Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Martin, what about your girlfers?
Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
What? I don't know. I just I just known from pictures.
Now how all you have taken? Want me yet? I
was told, who listen to 'em? I'm to trust 'em?
Did that shoot me? You know?
Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
That's Bill mill I.
Speaker 16 (01:07:21):
Guess that's a younger gua. See, most seems to look
different than every photograph ever. Tell me to photographs, which
one is the most reconsided about?
Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
I would say this one?
Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Is this the younger one?
Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah? Well listen, I've never seen this one. I tell like,
when you guys are h, I've seen the pictures of
any is that that.
Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Smit Rights says you have anature?
Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Was one of them?
Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Sint?
Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Yeah, Serge Hill, have you ever seen them?
Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
No? Oh, I've seen pictures of them, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Uh that's something I'll tell you about later. I don't
know what. Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Another inclusion might not only might have many of.
Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Them didn't see No, this one here was foe yesterday.
What's one example? This one here fast?
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
If it was resemless and uh I s I thought,
what I see?
Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Who should do that? Well? I don't know if I
should say, I mean you keep Vodolfia the record?
Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Uh? Inter that like anything you want to say about the.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Record, the the the off the record. Further, Well, we don't.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
I don't they didn't monitor or any take any or Oh,
I guess that's not right.
Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
Any that don't let you know that I think us
uh s you might think that be kind of bugs.
Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
We don't do well.
Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I'm not worried that.
Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I don't you know. Uh, this is showing your mind
by uh, I'm used to by art ar art Kevin.
Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
What did he ask?
Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Well, why don't you show me some other pictures? H? Right?
And there is uh? He asked me why I thought
it was resonless? You know how retriment do you inc
not so instant? That?
Speaker 7 (01:09:25):
Because must by information about the bid that comes to
different witnesses an answer the English picture? Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Noah, he asked me about it? When was that star? No,
you try to play something to that to me, there's.
Speaker 17 (01:09:38):
Just to resemblance here some Yeah, now this I know
it's hard, this is right me and this is harm
but uh m.
Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Fortunateen so, But I wouldn't I mean, I wouldn't have
reference to home until I I mean, I was shown
to him and I was asked if I knew, you.
Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Know, I had different people showing the picture, and uh,
I didn't recognize him. And then if I.
Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Hadn't normal, they hadn't twenty that was holl I still
even under oath, I mean, but what it was, I
would say, no, want to know him?
Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Well, yeah, that long perill and the bear and.
Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
They had a long pair of since we had the mustache.
Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
And but they they you have in between. Yeah, but this,
I mean, it's long as honest to do you No,
when I knew how the times lived.
Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
And when the teachers that's nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Now that's quite different now than the US. Lucky, that's
not over the loose. Oh that's the same.
Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
I would never uh recognize he.
Speaker 7 (01:10:30):
Doesn't have to spy, mean that he doesn't have a
squash buck luck you know, he didn't seeing him with
the bed.
Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
And then the counties and so forth, and I gus.
Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
He just pronouns a white and wants from there.
Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Well, that's shop, that's that of shocked? You interested?
Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
What's the bis of fact? You say, oh yeah, that's uh,
that's a fella get curious.
Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
About because uh he seemed to go right.
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
That's carried on to though.
Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
When he started questioning for the grand.
Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Story grand whine very much last week carry we carried
nic said that the white fella was necessary? Or why
about some money that I just heard an article with you.
Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Thank shit, that's uncle's house.
Speaker 18 (01:11:56):
Isn't it?
Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
You shall house next door I can see sat.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Down on the street. Is a housing story? Preta yet heard?
Speaker 12 (01:12:06):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
You know, I would like to see him.
Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
You got a picture of the red door that entered?
Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
Sus as kind of vets be some shows, But thirteen thirty,
what did you wanna see?
Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
If you got a picture, I like to see the
trim says all you want to like to see if
the trivia cassel.
Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
H what happened?
Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Bother did get one of them?
Speaker 6 (01:12:30):
As allio because she would always been fort a red door?
Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Understand she gone of good looking, but we don't have one.
Speaker 18 (01:12:35):
That's what I hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I never asked one of her liked, uh a carousel. Uh.
Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
They've got pictures in the UH.
Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
In some of the exhibits that show some of the outside.
But that's been sort of relevant.
Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
We haven't posited to get now.
Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Well, the reason I asked about that is, uh, you
want a quite here is cause one of the times
w we were, well, one of the mean time when
we were and I was I you know, I was
wa be driving UH home made stick man. I'm I'm
I'm in nold way.
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Trying and fire and the senior or I'm just point
out the fact, UH left to the past. Can you
talk about that?
Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Seen them before?
Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
See the only a lot of these names I've picked up.
I've been through the amused media, through UH through Steven
uh Chaffee and uh Art and various news reporters, and
UH most of my information more or attaining these names
here you are new or yours UH city here it's
been from my Harold's book.
Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Did you ever hear USO's name before them?
Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
About twenty second in the Noya.
Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Ah you have Joseph more more?
Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
No, Uh, I think I I I read something, I
heard something about him. I don't know who it is.
Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
Or what the ELL's that in the telpects about now?
Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
Yeah, well like sweeting dollars out a lot of those
getting out.
Speaker 7 (01:14:05):
Let me ask you this, uh I that's your reaction
to the Lawrence Hall's announcement, you know, miss ability of litt.
Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Did you ask coming up about that?
Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Why do you think he ejected you with Seymour?
Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I I th I think though, uh I I really
don't know. I I I I I think though that.
Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
You're you should be fear not you, you should be
convinced that uh seymore mean it's at that time was
getting completely out of the picture.
Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
I don't uh, I don't uh have a great interest
in but uh Laurren.
Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Hall that it was bad or good?
Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Hard?
Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, well, th this is a liar. It's either either
uh unintentionally you know, uh said.
Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
That well well thinking or he he just made a
uh a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I just light about it because Seymour was not with us.
I mean Seymo was still in Miami.
Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Uh this first day to the zero Uh all that mattered.
Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
He was there, But I had all a.
Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Lot of details mentioned in the Dallas Circle and ever
what was.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Uh uh he had matter? He was there well, I
I mean I was there in Dallas with him, only
there he and how did you ride uh here? And
I think you've got a confident that this adopt this
because of the three.
Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
All pin points that I I didn't wanna go to Dallas,
I mean, or I don't know, but I wanted.
Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
I had three reasons.
Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
One was I'd like to find a hotel the most
out stoday, cause this would.
Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Happen if they still have the records.
Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
When we checked in, when we checked out, and I
made a collect call to my wife and that I
mean all this was just pinpoint, you know. But Harri,
you've seen this.
Speaker 6 (01:15:43):
I think you look at er right.
Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I wrote it on a third spost stamped uh D four. Yeah,
well this pit points it cause I.
Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Said in her uh.
Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Uh we got here some Saturday, and I wrote this
on the uh tob me or of course I could
have worked this anytime, but I mean I think we.
Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Checked And then why do you think you arrived there
though a while? Well that would have been Thursday, uh
I I I I checked back. I think it was
on a Thursday cause of October.
Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
I think it was saying the count of since you
would ride again September and.
Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
What it was either uh, what when did you have
a sixty teen n uh? Excuse me sixtyeen calendar? I
think it was uh Thursday to the twenty sixth and
twenty seven?
Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Then uh basically done playing out loud.
Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Now I'll tell you about it.
Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Let's see Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
What I'm on our way? Excuse me? Uh, we've been
here since Saturday. This is October very this is a
favor Saturday Thay.
Speaker 18 (01:16:46):
September, September twenty eighth, ten points of Oh, just think.
Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
How I was now because I didn't find h live.
Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Say that means the uh.
Speaker 15 (01:17:00):
Hall all those uh down to the laire at the time.
Oh cars thay Uh, let's see you bumbing around with
anybody else while he was there with you?
Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Or don't see no holl Uh he had leave a
lot of times. Uh get leaders at that, but well
he don't.
Speaker 7 (01:17:19):
Have something either wait ah, wait, are taking numps or
a riverfordh who were a colly okay, go ahead, said
that I left take okay.
Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
A lot of times you would leave us at the
more Town, do you right with white Eth?
Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Right that say your other U castro. Uh he'd leave
us at the more Towner stead together A lot of times.
Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Would leave it what he'll and he and him Coles
we want a lot of times. All three were a
lot of times.
Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Uh yeah, what was Sai?
Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
What kind of a car? Did you have? Fifty six olds?
Black ones? And where did you come from? From? Los Angeles?
Speaker 6 (01:17:46):
That's uh All's car?
Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yeah? Did you been that a tower? Yeah? What do
you mean? Yeah? I think it was it cause it
was just they recently painted.
Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Just before we left.
Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
They had a bomber in the time er.
Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Yeah, hu huh they st they tried to straighten it out. Yeah,
go ahead, a bomb?
Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
Yeah, so did did he?
Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Did he?
Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
That's it lest the.
Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Blow all about?
Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I first time we wanted was the Uh I
don't remember it to be building right off the field.
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
I guess it's his business, uh office location.
Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Of the building when a temple especial way, well right
off the right.
Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Off the freeway.
Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I think that sounds so many Well yeah, well you
mentioned saying about uh he says that he was a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
I my understanding was that he was a geologist. And
maybe I'm missus sted I know, but uh he took
me into Guhito with him, and.
Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
We waved down in the car.
Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Parking lotch Oh, what what do you fell?
Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Holler skipper old Lawrence skippers along all of are.
Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Uh a mention?
Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Oh? They always no, my h never that's it. Now
you're waiting in the parking lot. W hall right.
Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
What did he say when he keep back?
Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Uh, he was supposed to be Yeah, that was supposed
to be a contact and uh supposed to get a traditional.
Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Funds and uh whatno, Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
I think he so one we supposed to say, abou
getting a boat out of uh out of hearing like that?
Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
So, uh that's it. I mean you want to mention
a man named the ichor I don't think so. I'm
whatever you have a named I. I don't know. I
don't do like that. And that was the first time
that uh I knew about Logan.
Speaker 6 (01:19:31):
Uh I any caid either in jact really no uh
huh h.
Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
What was uh?
Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
What did you have in mind in visiting low raising.
Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Money y'all raising getting additional funds or whatever else? Are
you getting?
Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
How accessible?
Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Well? Uh, I don't know. I I think he was,
but he didn't admit it because uh, when I left
my family not.
Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
My wife's been working. But you know, uh, I hadn't
been working for some time, and I wasn't re seeing
paid from anybody or what it's worth that wasn't and
uh he was supposed to get additional funds from low back.
I didn't know from whom at the time, but he
said that, uh, his contact would probably get aditional funds.
I said, well, look, if if there's any you know,
actually might I'd like to have, you know, a few
bucks to send home.
Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
So he said okay, I said, uh cause I he
said something about I got a senary few dollars too,
so he was.
Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Supposed to I was supposed to get fifty dollars or
so that, which isn't much for what I helped a
little years of 'em. No cause when he came back on,
I said, well, how'd you make?
Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
I said, no that, uh he only gave.
Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Me so much, just just for expenses.
Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
So that, uh, when I'm not gonna be able to
give any money, I'm not gonna be.
Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Able to send anything.
Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
So to myself, I said, well, I'm number this to myself,
and I said, number one. You didn't want me to
book there with you? You know, A number two uh.
Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I felt that he might have gotten the money. I
don't know now, I I this is just my personal opinion.
I felt that he might have gotten but didn't. Uh
wanna you know, dish out or something like this.
Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Now, but I I know he got some funds he played.
I think it was about or something like this, continue
the trick and now did you eat? Did all this well?
He was?
Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
He was?
Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Uh he was slipping the building? All was right? What
stopping the build?
Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
Did he did he have a fail m yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Yeah, mothers than the fail uh?
Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Armies medical supplies in the military.
Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
There Why I asked the question?
Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
I ask quially about Emma Walker.
Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
A decided I'm not investigating him.
Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
The fecially appreciation pretty information?
Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
Did did all ever mentioned Walker any time?
Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
I think he mentioned he had met General Walker? Pretty
sure he did Walker all of them. I think I'm
pretty sure he he said he met General Walker?
Speaker 6 (01:21:45):
Did he ever mention uh Wally Yates?
Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Y Uh? Yeah? Yeah? Why the w uh wa? Yeah?
I I I met him met while Yes, we were
down in Souse.
Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
What was your impression in Yates?
Speaker 18 (01:21:57):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Kind of a I don't know, I don't uh kind
of a.
Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Nut maybe I don't know, kind of a.
Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
Die heart.
Speaker 14 (01:22:11):
I guess it's say, uh.
Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
What little I recall it? I guess he uh m,
I I would.
Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Se it was anti Kennedy, right, Yeah, I mean, well,
I say the least.
Speaker 12 (01:22:34):
See no, no, how long were you any?
Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
About an hour or so?
Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Why don't I don't remember? I think, Uh, I don't remember.
I mean her I I don't matter that if his coffee,
Uh I have to have uh had one of those
two ros now?
Speaker 6 (01:22:55):
Uh we have that large picture of the uh house
that has the uh oh apparent.
Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Whole hunch the life.
Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
That's a lot of those pictures back the house?
Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Amy where involved? What don't girl your very tap me?
Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
I think I do. I think this we got most
of the thing. I h. I was just gonna say,
I don't wan. I'm not implying or anything in any
way and seeing any but uh, I think he could
give me some information.
Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
I mean what I mean is I'm not saying was
involved or any good but Jerry, who knows the het of.
Speaker 6 (01:23:37):
P Yeah, well what do you talk to Patrick and
uh out some line of mukund of the topic.
Speaker 9 (01:23:46):
Uh wasn't the being find for your kind of Patrick
wasn't giving what information was taking.
Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Oh I I I know it was uh in that.
Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Sense, but it does the nameless after.
Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Me for a while.
Speaker 12 (01:24:01):
He's very interesting first and no question about it.
Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
I think it does what he did well what I
was making reference to what I was. He knows a
lot of people, you know, he knows uh humans, Uh
this type of thing.
Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
Uh what uh does Uh? What other names you mentioned
in your mind have any connections with something like you
said that you didn't have much any time?
Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
Uh, some people did have.
Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Any right because let's see I had.
Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
Do you know what they're doing about?
Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Right? You see money?
Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
Do you know any of any.
Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
People that happened?
Speaker 12 (01:24:38):
You remember who see to have any your money for him?
Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
You can get cash? What any that time?
Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Well?
Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
Uh, they don't have to die?
Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
No, no, no, I just don't have any money about. No.
I don't worry about you. Then sent it works? Uh
huh No, but I can't. I don't know about other
things h happens R. I don't know. I mean, uh,
we we watched him various uh Cubans and that sound
and veriout other Americans you know at that time?
Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
But has sh you know sit down disgust Patrick cause
he had to seem to have his fingers.
Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Uh. So many uh contacts here in that kind How.
Speaker 6 (01:25:17):
Many people say, I see this count from Washington.
Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Well, I know I know this.
Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
I spoke to him not too long ago, right after
this Uh uh.
Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
When you subpeeded me, you know, Uh, I guess found
out what was that?
Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
And uh I spoke to him and Uh, from what
I understand from what I've heard from someone else, he's
been doing it some work. I mean he's been doing
like and you've been deicating yourself. He's been doing a
little while.
Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Digging him sounds.
Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
I don't know. I don't know ready perhapps to. I
don't know. Maybe they do on write a book or
for his own personal or or or pay for somebody else.
I don't know. You have it was always w w
uh with him, it was either faster or family man.
Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
You know. Uh, this type of thing was there for
a living.
Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Now. Uh, I don't know he's working. Uh, he is
working in the lit in that area. I don't know
exactly to whom he's working for him, he was working.
Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
I think he used to everything Hall no uh uh somebody,
Uh what it's worth. Somebody made a statement that uh,
Jerry Patrick, Uh, the Hall was scared of that the
Jerry Patrick. Whether it's true or not, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
It's just that it was cold.
Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
There as an indication of Patrick or not not happy.
Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
About Hall taking where some of the fund that well, Uh, yes,
it's I would say this is true because they was
pretty bitter alive.
Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
I've seen them after in the Miami area.
Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
This was uh after we get to my area.
Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
Oh how did usually thats?
Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Uh? As near as I can ascertain, it was about roughly. Uh, well,
I don't know. Let's see see you living in a
few days. I would say roughly, give world take about
October tenth, right, and then give her take uh couple
days either way.
Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
And where did you come from?
Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Uh? Here my name right uh huh sentence?
Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
And then you went to where to Dallas?
Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
From Dallas you went well straight to my home.
Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
How long did you say there?
Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Well, I stood there till I came back, which is roughly. Uh,
I would say about November eleventh. You would take a
day then, and.
Speaker 6 (01:27:26):
Where did you come back?
Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Practical scientelist say there a right, I got a job
when that's I.
Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
Was the uh YMCA records in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
See what the names, but they have Hall and you
haven't stayed there. On eighteen about two. I meant to
ask you about this. Yeah, uh, I was. I was gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I was gonna ask you if if Hall's name was there.
I I kind of had a food meeting. He might
have used my name, old name.
Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
But apparently, uh what the or two men came in
and said one night and all the world.
Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Well, uh, the on thing comes in my mind, I
mean is uh maybe I thought maybe Home might have
give money maybe see nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Well, we were friends in the sense that we're buddies.
I mean we're you might say, just uh business uh
kind of you know, the particular type of thing.
Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Well, I can give you an incident and you can
uh yeah right at run concludience. Uh, from what I understood,
see IM at Hall roughly.
Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
In about January, a lot of part of January the
sixty three. I met him through Gerry Patrick and that
was it. I just went him for a few minutes
and that was it.
Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
And then after well I was down there and the
keys there. I'd call my wife and on occasional she
told me a holl was trying to get hold of
me that he had uh military year. I was interested
in talking to me. So anyhow, that's when I heard
of him again. So when I came back, I guess
in about August, Uh yeah sixteen with uh Osman Wahido
(01:29:16):
came with me and uh another cuban Uh i'se.
Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Uh I think it was Frank Fan or something like that.
He came back with me. Uh when I got home,
all I said they hollered and called me, so I
called in. So he said they wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
So he came over to the house and uh he
told me what he had been doing and uh he
had gear and wanted to go in and uh.
Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Like a run. I was interested. So I see, I
don't show him cause what he meant, cause I have
I've been you know some night people uh various time
to coach you at this and then I wanna do
this and that, and a lot of times it just talking.
So he showed me and I believed, so I decided
to throw in with him and would go back to Miami.
Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
But I found out later.
Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
The reason I'm bringing all this up is I found
out later though that UH one of the uh or
the way he got this or maybe he got got
got in his home, but the I think the health
that he got on this and make.
Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Me speeches he was saying, cause the various people at
Tennessee's meeting was, you know, telling.
Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Me later that other words, he was usually mean, and
Michael and the Key.
Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Saying that like uh you know in his speeches that
uh he was representing him, he was a leader of
our group and that uh we were in the Key
now leaking for help and all this type of thing.
And this was about my knowledge and without my consent.
I found this out later. So I mean I just
pointed this out to you that you give an idea that.
Speaker 6 (01:30:41):
Today, well when he uh he apparently came back to Dallas,
uh you the sometime in Miami after he because he.
Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Was he was the rest uh.
Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
He honest don't know he was there now, sure he
did well when we left down as I said, what
about two to ten eleven, right and there we left
the trailer then and uh we went off to live
in l Yeah, I know you got it on record.
You don't miss there on Saturday, or rather I mean
it we it was left the cloths okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Uh we went to Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
And uh the three of us bought you over. Myself
and Seymour and I, excuse me home sent over there.
That's when I contacted Heil.
Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
He was working.
Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Send me CUH contact him because when I had the
keen lose my second command. So uh we explained what
was going on this and that if he was interesting,
he said yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
So anyhow, UH all decided we were gonna go back
and get the trailer.
Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Well, I had just come back and I didn't feel
like taking it right back again, so I told him
I didn't wanna go. So him and Bill left when
I stood in Miami. This is why I mean uh uh,
Seymour and I were never in the.
Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Uh in DOWNSTA gat him and they they went back
to Miami. Agaid you got down or anything like that. Uh,
I would say, I don't remember exactly when it left.
I would say it was, UH think a four days
something like that and anything. I'm not sure why did
you do the trailer of uh why did you do
(01:32:20):
in the trailer of period?
Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Well cause uh he said something about uh be I
think because the boat contact have fizzled out or something
like this. That Uh, it wasn't sure if he didn't
wanna drive straight into Miami, Miami or for ever with
the trader if you're uh it getting you know, uh
confiscated so uh that he got a big basket if
(01:32:43):
he left it.
Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Here and went on you know, went in it wasn't.
Speaker 10 (01:32:49):
Time.
Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
It was at the time.
Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Well your customs mostly customers.
Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Who was idea?
Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
It wasn't you trade?
Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Oh so uh uh, I don't sound like them.
Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
I mean I'm faster. I'm not faster than about I
mean heis. I'm giving you the facts the way that happened.
Was there any discussion about the very trade or the
Houston No? Uh huh did you ever go to introduced
to tra No?
Speaker 8 (01:33:11):
Never?
Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Uh So anyhow, this is uh, this is what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I mean that uh we went in to see if
uh s or m you know set up, see how
things were in there, and see where could bring the
trailers to a safe place and you know leave it
there without just going blind and uh this is what
we done to make the connections there for the connections. Itsidentally,
I hope what I'm admitting uh won't be hold or
used against me for some.
Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
Kind of uh h we don't know, we don't like tricks.
Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Well, anyhow, this is this was the case. You went
down there, contact and build and Bill went back to
what the renovation that well to pack up the trader?
Is that kind of hard?
Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Just uh.
Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
Here all save himself but fl all the way.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
In life to Dallas.
Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
He just go on ahead and out.
Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Uh did you feel safer about customer present?
Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Reason?
Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
That that's a really long to my problem.
Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
You have to double back and get paid only could
the brother for you?
Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Yes, this is true, but.
Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
Could there been another reason in his mind?
Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Believe in the family that mister Gerson.
Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
I don't know. I I've been in so many words,
but various persons. I've been asked if.
Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
All could have been winning and begging in the sacay.
I mean, I'm not trying to anyway, I inquire and
the sineway that this is the case.
Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
I mean, I've just been asked this, and I thought
of this myself, And I honestly I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Sometimes I wonder sometimes or no, I I doubt, but
I I I can't say. I mean either it was
extremely incompetent to and this I mean and and and
and stupid and this is the way he is, or
he pretended to be, or he just.
Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Made honest mistake, cause I don't know. I I I
try to ask you, wasn't that.
Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
Same big kind of waste the vangy in time left there.
Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
In Well, it depends how you look at it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
If I felt that that perhaps it it was uh
added surveillance, or if we were under surveillance. Uh, I
think I would have done the same. I mean I
didn't take a chance to drive him blind, you know,
or or uh oh, of course we didn't stop anywhere
in the States.
Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
But yeah, your Florida area, that's where we would we.
Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Come under most surveillance, you know, this type of thing.
I think I would have done the same. If I
felt you know that uh it was uh, you know,
a heavy surveillance. I think I would have left the trailer,
I mean somewhere in some stafe place. Anyhow, I don't
think I would have taken a chance in the building
and getting it, you know, losing the things.
Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Oh long did the Seymour stay with you know?
Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Seymour stood with him from the time they left uh Miami,
which uh I guess was actually.
Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
I figured it out.
Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Let's see, UH left about the venus off the downs
two he did, I would say enough to be you
would take about the twenty uh twenty fifth, twenty sixth
something like that.
Speaker 6 (01:36:06):
You remember about club when they left the trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
When they left dollars Yeah, when they uh yeh uh
yeah yeah, when they went no uh uh when they
left Miami to go back to Dallas.
Speaker 12 (01:36:17):
About when would that be because they went that I
was at eighteen.
Speaker 6 (01:36:21):
Uh around eighteen about.
Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
I don't know, well we left uh Dallas to go
down about the uh, I would say about the tenth
or two or ninet to tenth BacT or something that
it was a couple of days of drive put us.
Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
About the see when you were metal where uh the
hall was going back?
Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Yeah? Right, that's this kind of sigma right.
Speaker 9 (01:36:42):
But then what the apparently dead because the registration uh
as the HAYMCA was within twenty four hours or the arrest.
Speaker 7 (01:36:49):
Of Seymour uh is aparently holler on Seyamore or the
rest of the h registered as the WIMCA is hollering.
Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
How yeah, this is what I gathered.
Speaker 6 (01:36:58):
Now, that's apparently what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
See why I was see more out of us his
own names you au from something. No, No, I don't
know well cause seemore is uh at the time we
were he was a friend that I am. We were
pretty close.
Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Uh, I thought, uh my first impression when I when
I heard that uh us stated that I was registered.
Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
There was all might abuse my name.
Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
This is why I was interested in finality college register.
It never occurred to me that Bill would have used it.
But apparently this seems to be the case.
Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Yeah, yeah, I was twenty four almost Yeah, cause I
I uh, I wasn't there at all, no way.
Speaker 6 (01:37:32):
And then though, when did they come back?
Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Uh, I don't remember for sure when they came back,
but uh I I don't remember for sure, but it
was uh right about that time.
Speaker 6 (01:37:43):
I guess we have uh kind of witnesses again when
I find or hear but uh all hospital.
Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
He seemed.
Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
It was a lot of information. Definitely remember it was
somewhat have any.
Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Idea well, I schedule was.
Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
No, I did I wasn't the work. I mean did
he leave you mean after him and Seymour? Yeah, they
went back to Miami.
Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
N all this back Dallas.
Speaker 6 (01:38:14):
No, I have no mother, I ask you have you
put it now twenty second?
Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
Anything like that, but I would no.
Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
I have no knowledge of this at all.
Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Did they see one of they go out to do
with us to talk to you?
Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
I I I would think so, I would think.
Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
No HERDASONI Tucson. I if you wanta I I think
I got his address. I don't know if it's correct.
Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Good like that have I don't know if it's This
is the latest ones I did get.
Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
Wait, I was sleeping a well known.
Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
But wouldn't your mother be the simple tea? Good?
Speaker 6 (01:39:03):
See what cooperative?
Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Well, I'm being a cooperative, but I mean hope I
time alls announcement is Okay, here's the biggest.
Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
One I got.
Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
It's uh twenty eight twenty two West Alboro drives traded.
Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Alboro A M B, A R or drive to Son.
I don't want I don't wanna, uh no idea. I
mean I think to be cooperative, but uh, I don't wanna,
you know, build a tame.
Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Okay, you get the picture of the hospital today, but
I same token.
Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
I don't I'm not I want you else. I'm not
an informer. Now Oh it is?
Speaker 6 (01:39:47):
Have you ever seen this house?
Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
That sin.
Speaker 12 (01:39:52):
Technically an Allays Act? Oh that's a back of general
Walker's house.
Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
No, No, that commended matter about been the back of
about just I don't know why that sounds. I didn't
let me do.
Speaker 6 (01:40:28):
What does uh Haller say about how well are you.
Speaker 8 (01:40:30):
A general Walker?
Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Or have you end it again?
Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
I I I think you mentioned in the words one time,
I wish the effect on the time that you met
general Walker one type.
Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
I just met him, that's all. I didn't see no
too much about him, I think, I recall I'm not
I'm certain. I'm pretty sure though when you.
Speaker 9 (01:40:50):
Said we had now did you ever have a feeling
that thatsally low uh was the front for somebody else,
probably had a bigger bicker contact.
Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Money.
Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
Where did Paul anything like that?
Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Uh, I only meant like I said, I met mister
will one time and there was nothing disgusted. I mean,
uh this when it took the treat to assign hearted that.
But uh, from what I've gathered, I.
Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Mean the this is a lot of this is uh
hall mats uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
Made uh statements about about this.
Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
A lot of this is just kind of what my
personal thing is it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
I think there was some kind of uh oil and
and uh or type connection there. I mean on Huh, Well,
Hall's m UH mentioned to him. He says, you knew 'em.
Uh I met other oil men at some kind of
petroleum club and tors some country club someone that he
made us cheage.
Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Now, but that's all I can give.
Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
You that if you met uh Walker, let me see Walker.
Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
I don't know if you met Hun, but I I
think you mentioned him. I mean that UH might have mad.
Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
I'm saying this because he said he attended a or
made a speech at at uh a country club where
some of oilment I think uh some at the petroleum
or some something.
Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
I remember him saying something about it not too much.
Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
This guy we namepending that Califor Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
I met him prior to our league in Los Angeles area.
This is where s lots knowing.
Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
I don't know an this time.
Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
This is where he picked up the trailer and UH
left from What kind of weapons do you have?
Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
They were all legal? They had not uh he we
had in fourteenth yeah thirty calendar.
Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
And there was a scope to him too, and this
has been brought up with him.
Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Uh there was a scoope.
Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Weapon and there was UH in one's standard in one
grand and UH in fourteen Uh modified. Uh strictly uhuhe
strictly semigo Okay, Russell.
Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
We had about sixteen uh long arms all together. Where
did they who provided?
Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Someone came from or Chicago Arms Periagua Arms Company one, Chicago.
Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
How do you spell out?
Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Yeah? Uh, let's see something like that. It seemed uh
he was he was well he was, Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
He's a Cuban.
Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
He was the the top uh armist.
Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Uh ordinance stands for pidel Castro.
Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Oh want yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
And then he's he switched, Yeah, he switched and uh started.
I don't know he's supposed to have, but I know
I met him blue Home.
Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
You connected the leap, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know
he was.
Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
Colonel Gil.
Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
I don't know if he was.
Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
Or that.
Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
The what did we have was moms, No we uh
from what I've gathered in from uh what I found out.
Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
As times out.
Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
Uh yeah, I'm talking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
He operates that relations that you have been in a
national operation.
Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Do you mind? You said no, No, he's just.
Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
Uh, it's all these seems interesting.
Speaker 6 (01:44:15):
What uh what what's this? What are you doing in
sixty three?
Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
I mean, what was uh well, I don't know what
he was doing.
Speaker 6 (01:44:20):
I mean, was he uh uh oup in Cuba?
Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Uh? I don't know if he's helping a cube anything.
I know that you know. I'm home. I don't uh
what what it amounts to you? Is they used to Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
I think he belonged to some kind of uh what
is it an organization? I think you know, Christian or
some kind of Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
I'm not certain, but they used to have meetings at
this house, used to hang out those shares. The last
time I seen him.
Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
He was uh active uh March Washington and this was.
Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Think sixty four organizing anyhow, Uh, I guess they used
to have means what's which?
Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
The next was law in hall.
Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
I don't know how they met or anything. Uh he
we's uh uh I guess just helped him. I mean,
uh they used his house to be rich? No, I
don't think so.
Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
It was uh it was it a fair description that
we did he say hees ah a conservative? Uh guy?
It was kind of is it an action uh in
doing something.
Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Or rather than what was it u?
Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Uh an actor or sat Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
I think it would be uh a fair description if
he was interested in doing something too that I played
an anti communs far.
Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (01:45:36):
One thing I was uh surprised about was uh when
h Brady made the public statement that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Uh didn't know Lauren Hall because uh, you.
Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
Know a number of different people over in the mess Hall.
Speaker 6 (01:45:49):
Through Jean Bradley and the fact grade lay or into
Pascido and uh do you know any reason why Bradley
wouldn't say he did not know Holl?
Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
None, As a matter of fact, No.
Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
I wasn't aware.
Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
Is to just recently that uh that they didn't didn't
which other work or people have sitting on too.
Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
I don't know what they did. How did you know
the All New Week?
Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Because Hall took me down the route teams happening
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