Gliding and soaring and gaining perspective.

What happens when you create a distance between yourself and that thing or that person? What happens when you take time to self-orient? Take a listen for some space and practice into letting go of the stronghold, loosening the grip, surrendering, even. What can then take space, breathe, emerge, be expressed?

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Episode Transcript

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Hello, everyone, Welcome to Juliein conversation. Today is Wednesday, June
seventh. I welcome you. Mayyou arrive in this moment in time,
whenever it is that you're tuning inand settle in to yourself to this moment,
and whatever it is that you mayneed, whatever it is that you

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know didn't know you needed, mayyou perhaps find it right now in this
time that we have together. Thankyou for being here, perhaps it's your
first time or you're returning. Thanksfor being here, fuss. The title

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of this track is skydiving through Timesby constantly evolved us sky diving food side
create you in this moment, Idid myself. I did guess, no
reasons to notice what that might feellike. This idea of skydiving through times

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the words that came to me asI was getting ready to records. There's
an image of what soaring might looklike or feel like, or gliding in
the air. What happens when weif we could glide through the air,

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what would that feel like? Couldyou imagine you've been ghosting me? Lazy
lady, l shit doesn't face it. I gave you more than all my
pats from you. I'm joining youtoday from you ghost Montreal in Sokral,

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Canada, Chocha. I'm situated onunseated indigenous lands, acknowledging the stewards of
the lands of the Gagne joke Huganation, taking a moment to just acknowledge,
yes, this land, those whohave come before me, my own

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ancestors, the ancestors that I knowof, and Thlise, who I do
not know of. Where are youtoday? What are you noticing beneath your
feet? What are you noticing aswe even bring attention to our feet?

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How are your feet doing? Createdmyself? I thank you for taking a
moment to acknowledge where you are,where you sit, where you stand,
where you walk, the body thatyou're in. Validation, validation in my

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mind. I'll be playing some musictoday, talking a little bit, mostly
playing music and just inviting you toexperience the music and spaciousness and what soaring
and gliding might feel like. Skydive, idive. Maybe you have a maybe

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you're you have a fear of heights. So I don't know if skydiving or
soaring or gliding is something that comesnaturally to you or wanting to imagine.
So I'll just invite you to findthe words and the the the image that
feels good to you. You caneven just imagine a bird soaring, and
what does that feel like? Whenyou look at a bird just gliding effortlessly,

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without needing to do anything to flapits wings. What happens when you
look at that bird, that eagleeffortlessly gliding with perspective above what is beneath?
Its separating yourself out from everything that'shappening around you. On the micro

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level, what if you can justsoar above, glide above everything that is
happening star ridings created a can zoomout? What is it like when you
zoom out? Can you zoom outfrom what might be h weighing you down?

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The problem you're trying to solve,the person you're trying to relate to
the work you're trying to do.What if you just take a step back
and zoom way out so that youbecome so that you can soar and glide
and be curious about what it mightlook like or feel like so many feet
away, like the eagle soaring,gliding where there's no effort required. I'm

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not sure what effort is involved inan eagle soaring, but I'm making an
assumption. Imagine no effort in thegliding, in the soaring, allowing nature
gravity to do the work with youas you're able to go glide and soar
and gain perspective, gain detachment,Let go skydiving through time creates in the

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universe. Type to be the partisof the self is Sarah Angel. I
just want I can prof credit SarahAngel, s A. R. A.
H. Angel skydiving food Sime createda universe. I did it myself.
I did as I the reason tobe alive. If I take my

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eye, there's no Wastei's there's nowaste. Validation in myself, validation in
my mind, validation in my mind, validation in my mind, validation in

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my mind. Skydiving f I died. So last week I recorded a podcast
and at the end of the podcast, I noticed that my microphone was on
mute for the entire podcast, andso that was a little bit disappointing,

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to say the least for myself.It felt like a it was a solo
show, and it was similar towhat I'm intending to do today, but
it just felt like I was inthe zone, and evidently so in the
zone that I didn't even look upat the console to see that I was
on mute, So I guess Ikept it all for myself and carried it

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with me. I thought maybe Iwould just do a recording and broadcast it
the next day, but it justdidn't feel right, just wasn't there like
I was setting up to do it. And then I just felt like,
I don't think it's going to happen, because two o'clock on a Wednesday is
when I feel like I just puteverything aside that I can be here and

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present. And I wasn't actually surethat I was going to record today,
but I felt like I needed it. I wanted to connect and press record
and see what would emerge, whatI could make space for in me,
what I could offer for you totune into and perhaps connect in listening to
yourself as you listen here, tome, to the prompts, to the

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music, and see what is wantingto emerge. It's my intention that you
always benefit in a way that provideshealing, new perspective understanding for yourself through
these podcasts, some compassion for yourself, some strengthening in the beliefs around who

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you are and what you do andwhy you do it. I was telling
a friend that I was at thehairdresser the other day and she, the
hairdresser, was reminding me that Iwas her most I'm not good, so

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I don't remember the word she used, but I think I was the client
throughout the pandemic pandemic that like,I guess I'm going to put it in
these words now, It's not howI felt when she was telling me this
win the award for like the mostneurotic COVID client because I walked in with
a mask and a shield and andso it was very evident to her that

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I stood out as like a veryworried client. And it's funny because my
osteopath said the same thing, thatwe had a very different way of putting
it. But I'll be the firstone to admit that, you know,
yes, I was all My anxietyhad surfaced and I was doing all those

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taking all those measures that would onewould call maybe neurotic, over the top,
unnecessary, ridiculous. Maybe others wouldnot even attempt to go out because
there was so much anxiety. Butanyways, I decided that I want to
keep going out into the world.And at that point in the pandemic.
I was like, this is whatI need to do to feel safe.
So what is it that I neededto do to feel safe? And so

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she reminded me yesterday that I wasthat person, and so that set me
into a tailspin because I think itwas also it wasn't her intention to the
delivery. It shouldn't mean for itto cause any harm, but I guess
it just evoked in me this senseof like fragility and vulnerability of like,
oh man, like what did thesepeople think about me? And all of

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that nonsense, which is not necessarilynonsense, but it just it brought me
back to the too sensitive Julie,to the whatever it is that I've heard
throughout my life and also have feltlike I've had to protect. And so
it felt like a little poke rightthere as I, you know, am
in the world and definitely am equippedto be in the world and to do

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the best that I can to feelsafe and knowing that obviously it's not something
that I'm hiding, but it waslike, oh, yeah, you saw
that, Ah, how could younot? But just sharing that because it's
still with me, just you know, as I judge myself and also feel

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like mixture between like self compassion andalso self judgment, and also like feelings
towards the person who made the commentabout it, which had no ill feelings
related to that, but just aninteresting experience of vulnerability. And and so

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I guess I'm just sharing that becauseyou know, as I it out and
move it through, I could laughon myself too, you know, my
osteopath and I laugh about it andjust know that it's what I needed to
do and just honoring myself. Andso maybe there's some areas in your life

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that you're wanting to cultivate some compassionaround or some curiosity around. You know.
Of course I'm curious and delve intolike you know, what prompts me
to feel the insafety unsafety or theanxiety and it's no stranger to me.
But maybe there's some areas where youcan use some compassion and you know,

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and of course, because this wasis identified and noticed, it doesn't mean
that I need to shrivel and shrinkand diminish myself, though I could feel
like that's what I want to do, but so be it, it's what
I needed. I did it beingunapologetic about all of it. And so

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maybe there's something there for you inthat story and in that piece of whatever
it is, the sensitivity that you'vebeen told you're too much of this,
you're too little of that. Juststep standing out from the norm or expectations
of what other people have society.What is normal anyway? Right, I'm

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going to choose a card from AsherFrost's deck. I pulled some cards last
week, or one card which wasquite beautiful, and so Asha, I
know it is doing some good worktoday out in the world, speaking publicly
and holding circles and still thinking ofher. And so I'll be pulling her

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card from the Sacred Medicine Oracle deck. So what is the message that we
need today? Here it is,I'm going to turn it over and see

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what we're being offered today. Thankyou Ashon forst earth Mother. Surrender.
Such a gorgeous card, Surrender aswe glide, right as we glide and
soar through the sky in our imagination. So interesting? Oh why? Okay?

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So you are offered a blessing ofpure, unconditional love flowing through all
the of your trauma and pain.The Earth Mother steps forward and asks you
to increase your capacity to receive,for this has been a long time coming.
Your heart beat slow down as youwelcome this expanse of energy into your

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field. Listen to the sentence.You have been on high alert for so
long, it feels normal. Deepeninto surrendering. Deepen into surrender, to
fall into Mother Earth's graceful outspread arms. She gently lays you down upon the
earth, and you are fully supported. The tears that you have suppressed are

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invited to fall like rain upon hersoil. It's finally safe to trust in
your surrender and align with the steadinessshe provides. You are home. There
is new wisdom awakening within, butyou can only hear it in the quiet
moments of rest. Your spirit isa tuning to the next step in your
path, but it will not happenuntil you gather your vital energy back.

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Take care of your sacred self withthe help of the earth, Mine and
the universe will step up to meetyou. The healing affirmation, I allow
myself to be held and nourished.The love of the Earth surrounds me.
The sacred ceremony that Ash offers forthis card, imagine yourself lying flat on

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the earth, fully supported and held. Feel two hands at the back of
your heart. A nourishing red andgold nectar runs from the core of the
earth into your heart and spreads outto we through the rest of your body.
The Earth Mother gently speaks to you, validating that she sees how much
you have been through and how tiredyou are. Let go sink into her

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love. There is no more needfor hyper vigilance. Hypervigilance, you can
say that again. So what happensif we can surrender, falling prey to

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the what ifs? The nomes?When I think back to the pandemic,
that hyper vigilance that my body assumed, and so just welcoming in that surrender
that's being called a porn that's beingoffered here with Mother and Mother Earth.

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What part of you have you beenhiding or been hiding because it could get
poked at or prodded or made funof or delegitimized or dehumanized. Can you
allow it to be start just bywelcoming in, welcoming it by you Like

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this piece if I look at it, this piece that needed the shield and
the mask and whatever else. Ididn't wear a hasmuch suit, that's for
sure, But if I could,maybe I would have. I don't know,
but you know things I evolved interms of my hyper vigilant throughout the
pandemic. And also, what isthat piece that I can befriend, that

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I can become curious about, thatI can offer caring for and not judge
as bad or judge as stupid,or judge as ridiculous or unable or incapable
or whatever all of the other judgmentsare. What can I do with that
piece to offer some compassion and bringit in, not push it out?

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What if I can just bring itin towards me close and hold it tight
if nobody else will. If Ido it to myself, I would do

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it to others. If I canfind that place of compassion for those parts
of myself, then I can doit for those parts that my kids have
and show for what shows up withmy clients, friends and family. Not

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easy for myself to bring compassion tothese places if I'm not being shown that
compassion outside of myself. But whobetter than me to do it right?
Who better than you to do itfor you? And maybe you need support
with it, as of course Ihave and do get it. That's that

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little girl, the wounds, thewounds that you've carried, that show up
through behavior that manifest if we bringsome healing to the wounds that can be
from this lifetime or others from othergenerations. What if you could become that

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eagle and sore sore above and glideand just looked down with compassion and love,

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offering showering curiosity. We're just noticingwhat is it that you wanted to
do? M m m hm.In this place of hyper vigilance, there's

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also a place of of righteousness ofI know what I need to take care
of myself, and so this iswhat I'm doing, and a sense of
righteous anger around you know, layoff of my own ways and behaviors because

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I know exactly what I'm doing.It may not when your approval, but
that's fine, right. And Soif we move into and allow this place
to be moved by our compassion,what else might we find that's in there
that we meet the reasons for whywe do the things we do? What

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else might we meet if we're notjudging it. Might we be met with
understanding? Might we be met byreasons, justifications, explanation, ends,

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empowerment. What else do you noticeas you soar and glide above? Maybe

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it's an issue or area that you'refocusing in on from up above, or
maybe it's just a general observation ofsort of the read on what's happening beneath
you. What happens when you detachand take a step back and surrender,

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let go, something become clearer andmore in focus or does it help to
detach zoom out? How tight areyou holding on to that thing, that

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person, that situation. What ifyou could just let go for just this
moment and let yourself be carried bythe wind, by the air, gliding
and soaring up above as you createa healthy distance to breathe, agrest,

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but rested, just us caressed andstan checo for me to do anything.

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H m hmm. So there's noneed to come back down or zoom back
in. You can stay where youare, gliding, soaring, maintaining this

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healthy distance. Is it comfortable stingat this healthy distance? Or at this
distance? Maybe it's not healthy?Just feel healthy, it feels necessary?
Whatever the word is. What happenswhen you maintain a distance. What happens

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to responsibility? Where is it?Where does it go? Responsibility to who?
Or what? There's your attention beingdrawn? Last week on the podcast

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that didn't record. I was highlightingand underscoring this idea of orienting to self.
How do you self orient Can youself orient orient yourself to your internal
compass when you're at a distance?Does it help you orient to yourself,

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to your inner knowing, to thedecisions you want to make, to your
values when you're not so immersed inthe microscopic parts of your days of your
life. As you glide and soor imagine the gliding and sorrowing, how

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are you orienting to yourself? Whereare you being drawn? Where are you
being invited in to spend time connectingto the a A A that you're ready

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to make your descent to a groundto earth. If you've been soaring,
gliding, we're imagining coming back downto earth, the earth, the ground,
So you're feeling your feet on theground, the weight of your body

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arounding you, feeling support the earth. With orientation to self intact, have
been starverything around you, all thosethings, those people, and you have

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taking that time to separate, welcomeback, separate, connect your self in
return. How do you feel inyour body right now? Is there space?

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Has there been some greater space created? I'm feeling some added vitality and
strength instead of banishing parts of myselfthat might have felt shameful. It's like,

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how can I bring them in andtransmute that you've been having the feeling?
Oh, this is one of thosepodcasts. It's one of those podcasts
that I'm not wanting to share.Too vulnerable, too exposed, but in

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fact just sticking with it and comingback down from the soaring of the gliding,
just feeling the strength in my body. Who I am? What are
you noticing for yourself? That's true? For you? What you need to

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do? How do you need tomove perhaps? What space do you need
to take up? Thank you fortaking up that space. Just notice what's

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moving through you right now. Ijust want to lift up another oracle deck

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that I recently acquired. It's calledYour Your True Nature Nical Heather Waxman,
Way to Go So Beautiful. Heatheris in New England and I was introduced
to her through Asha and they bothhave bracle decks Incredible Heatherwaxman dot com and

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she is a healer and therapist.And so the book is the or oracle
deck is Your True Nature? AndI just pulled a card. You know
what it is. There is wisdomin my wounds. There's wisdom in my
wounds, w O and DS.In time, the hurt will be healed,

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the wound will mature into wisdom,and you will integrate that wisdom into
service. But for now, doyour one be present with this part of
you. Allow yourself to receive thewisdom in your own This is why they're
called barocal parts. Just like theocean tide, your ebb and you ebb

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and you float. Just like thesun, you rise and you set,
and just like your beating heart,you contract and you expand. Feeling off
does not mean you are off path. Feeling off this part of your path.
There is divinity in your dark places. There is wisdom in your wounds.
You will not be here for epping, but it's important attend to this
tender space now while it's asking foryour attention. Allow the wound to soften

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you and let it open the floodgatesappealing and allow them, with medicine of
emotional release, to wash your waypast her. In time, the hurt
will be healed, the woond matureinto wisdom, and they will integrate the
wisdom into service. She does alot of breath work, and she says,

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be with any discomfort as you breathe, not making it right or wrong,
just allowing it to be there.As you inhale breathe acknowledgment of the
hurt into that place in your body. On your next inhale, breathe,
acceptance of the hurt into that placein your body. You might like to
use this affirmation, she says,as you breathe, wounded part, I

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acknowledge you, I accept you,and I love you. We are growing
through this together. Be here foras long as you need to. If
tears flow, let them. Ifintense sensations arise, practice being with them
without the need to fix or changethem, and without making them wrong or
right. Notice what happens is youallow yourself to be where you are and

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be with what is, free ofany pressure to do an think about it.
There is wisdom in my wounds.Thank you, Heather Waxman. What
a beautiful, beautiful oracle deck,so gorgeously illustrated. Heatherwaxman dot com.

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Are you breathing into all these pizzapieces and parts of yourself? I'm stretching

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right now, bodies needing to moveagain, feeling surprisingly or unexpectedly strengthened by
this time here connecting with you asit gets amplified by the group, the

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collective, those who are listening orwill tune in sometime in the future,
creating a space for you to receive, to be received, a soft place
for your wounding, soft place foryour seeing, witnessing for your being.

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And within that place, there's alsoa deep and strong anchoring into your right

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to be here right now as youare, for your and inviting that to
grow deep, burn deeper into theground, vertically and resonantly outward. See
Jenny, I'm not a way outinto the spot. Just allowing yourself to

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expand en generally feeling in the spacethat you take up the person that you
are, per seltifying qualities that peopleget too experience in you, just letting

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yourself be as big as you are. I know. Mm hmmm. So

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where are you now? Where didyou travel to? What has moved perhaps
through you? I'm going to playthat tune again by Sarah Angel Skydiving through
Time auld I bring this forty eightminutes to a close. For forty five

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minutes, those words of like I'mnot sure what that was about, but
it's recorded, it's out there inthe universe. Whoever is receiving it taking
it in, may you receive whatit is you didn't even know you need
it. I think that happens metoday. Creat I find I did,

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then, I'd like to make senseof things intellectually and through words. Most
often, what is most profound iswhen I don't even make sense of it
intellectually, but it's felt in mybody somatically. And I recently heard Kelsey
Blackwell speak to the definition or theorigins or the etymology of soma somatic.

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You know, there's a lot ofthe work around the body somatic experiencing.
She's the author of the Colonizing theBody, and she said that the soma
is described as ghost. It's notjust the body that we're talking about,
the physical body, but it's aliving organism in its wholeness. It's the
emotional body, the energy body,the spiritual body, thinking body, feeling

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body. It's what connects us tosomething larger. On all these levels the
soma you are lately connect those gaveyou more than all my patience. What's
happening in your soma on all theselevels? Well, the faith is time

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a physics always does body tie.Your body is always she relates in the
universe, periods of the house,the wholeness. This is how lead why
you feel pest starting my future.It's time created as I did myself.

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I did as access between ass perhapsstage and the pass take my eye always
celebrating you, your souls always validationand myself validation as you sword and blighted.

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Today gained perhaps perspective connection feelings thanbeing present to yourself this time together.
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Now, you let your intuition leadas I practice, because I give less
is more that I don't necessarily moreelse, but creating an experience through music
through gentle prompts. Perhaps it mightjust be enough for now? Can I

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trust that it is enough? Iheard somebody today say moving at the speed
of trust. When you trust youraction, but I'll speak to you.
So human being here. Thank you, Beat