Ballrooms, Backroom Deals and Ballots

Seg 1 – Trump’s Ballroom Blowing Leftist Minds
Seg 2 – The Democrat 2028 Race Begins
Seg 3 – Potential Big Winners in the 2025 Elections
Seg 4 – Whose Shutdown Narrative Prevails?

Episode Transcript

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for stopping by, Graham, thanks for having me up so
as a satirist in chief over at Liberty nation dot com,

(01:18):
you must be having quite the time with the Trump
Ballroom and the left reaction to it.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, it's it's kind of interesting, and it's you know,
the first thing I'm going to say about this is
that this is the you know, the richest and most
powerful country on Earth. And you know, for the last
what decades, basically when we've had heads of state, senior
foreign dignitaries come to the White House, if they want

(01:49):
to have a state dinner, what have they got to do?
They got to put up a tent.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, they go to BUCkies. There's got to be a
BUCkies nearby, right.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, there might be actually, but but you know that's
crazy when you think about it, and so and so
the fact that Trump decided to actually build this ballroom
is a great idea because because a country like America
should have this grand space to entertain foreign dignitaries and
to hold major functions instead of doing it in a tent.

(02:19):
You know, as if we're somewhere in the Middle.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
East or something so light house edition.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
But you know, and it's great when it's going to be,
when it's finished, and you know it's that they're going
to call it, I guess the Monica Lewinsky Ballroom or
something which would be which would be interesting. I mean,
I almost think Trump should do.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
That just just for fun, just for fun, just to
troll them on it. You know, it is quite fascinating
that there really isn't anywhere suitable for that. I mean,
you there's Camp David, which I mean that's not suitable
for I don't think that's in any way suitable for
foreign dignitaries. You know, if you're going to have some
kind of banquet like the UK, the Minister's residence number

(03:01):
ten Downing Street. I mean it's reasonably big, but it's
not suitable for things. But I minister also has checkers,
you know, and then you've got a wealth of palaces
and castles that can be dealt with for these kind
of things, whereas America, I don't know what's around the corner.
Old Ebbott's grill is just around the corner from the

(03:22):
White House, and I recommend they're oysters fantastic, great place,
great bloody Mary too. But they don't have anywhere to
redo that. And I think what most people are missing
is that they're calling it the Trump Ballroom right because
it's being built under Donald Trump. But this is not
going to be for Trump to use a decade in,

(03:44):
decade out. This is building something for future presidents. You, yes,
And that's that's the very idea why we plant trees, right,
we're not what's the old saying is, you don't plant
a tree to sit in the shade of it. You
do it so somebody else can do it years down
the line. Yeah. I mean Trump is a master builder,

(04:04):
there's no doubt. Wait, he doesn't get down with a
trowel and that, but you know, in terms of building
some iconic places, he knows what to look for. He's
he's got the funding for it, and it's going to
be something that makes the White House better. But there's
so much opposition to it. Specifically, I'm thinking mister Eric Swalwell.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Oh yes, yeah, Well, you know, there's this whole thing
about this is a great addition to the White House,
as opposed to Barack Obama putting in a basketball court,
you know, which was kind of silly anyway, because Barack
Obama does not play basketball, cannot play basketball. I know

(04:50):
I used to play basketball at school, and I'm absolutely
certain that I could whip Barack Obama at one on
one in basketball.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
We know for a fact that Ted Cruz probably could
as well. Huh, Keith Koy I watched that thing where
he played Jimmy Kimmel and just demolished him on that. Yes,
Ted Cruse might pop over to the White House.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh you know, you got so you've got a basketball call.
Who else which president put in a bowling alley? So
I think, you know, and someone else put in a
swimming pool, So I think, you know, in terms of
additions and renovations to the White House, this is a
good one. But then you've got Eric Swolwell, who is

(05:33):
now saying that any Democrat who's even thinking about running
for the White House in twenty twenty eight, the litmus
test for them, as the media has been put in,
it must be that they pledge on day one to
demolish the ballroom. Yeah, you know, you can't even that's

(05:58):
not from the Babylon be that you know he actually
said that.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, it strikes a chord, doesn't it, Because and I'm
sure you remember this, it wasn't that long ago. There
was the twenty twenty Democrat primary debates, and I can't
remember who the host was. She has please signal if
you would be willing to provide healthcare to the undocumented.

(06:27):
There's something like this, and every single one of them
put their hands up like compliant little school children. And
in twenty twenty eight, when we see the next Democrat
primary debates, maybe there's a please signify if you'd be
willing to tear down the Monica Lewinski ball on day one.
This is the new purity test. I think that that's

(06:50):
really what it is, right, It's not a litmus test,
as the media describe it. It's a purity test. Yeah,
to affirm that you are, in fact a post to
Donald Trump, with every fiber of your being beyond even
plain sanity.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Your Trump de arrangement syndrome has reached the required level
of intensity. Go for you to run for president.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
It's the new Social Credit systems score out of China
is how high is it? You know? Have you said
good morning to seven comrades? Have you hit a piece
of metal eight times today? And therefore succeed in your
work quota, and have you dribbled inanely on the internet
ranting and raving about Orange Man bad. So let's move

(07:35):
forward from what Eric Silwell says with his new litmus test,
and yes it is. It is plain ridiculous. And let's
talk a little bit about what's going to happen shaping
the Democratic Party and what those front runners might be
going forward. And we'll do that after this short break.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
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Speaker 2 (08:05):
Edge of Ladies, and you're back on Liberty Nation Radio. Arman,
your host, Mark Ante Ladies and Graham J. Noble continues
to be Graham J. Noble, Thanks sticking around. I do
you do every day, whether he likes it or not.
So in the earlier part of the showgram we're talking
about Eric Swaw on his new litmus test that any
hopeful Democrat candidate for the presidency in twenty twenty eight

(08:29):
must commit to tearing down the Trump ballroom or the
Monica Lewinsky ballroom, as might be called on day one.
But let's talk about who those candidates might be, because
this last week we had two of the clearest signs
of who are of who our Democratic Party names are

(08:53):
going to be in that column, and that was Kamala
Harris and Gavin Newsom both drove tense that they'd be
willing to run. Now, Graham, I hear the world screaming,
don't California might insert your state here. Well, it really does.
Is America looking at California and saying that's the kind

(09:16):
of leadership that we want, what exemplifies California.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
It's just incredible, And of course to me, it's smacks
of desperation for the Democrats that these are the people
they're looking at now. I mean, for a while, everybody,
you know, for quite a while, everybody's been speculating that
at some point Gavin Newsom would probably you know, throw
his hat in the ring with a white House bid.

(09:41):
I think Kamala Harris has got a bigger problem to see.
A lot of people, a lot of people are saying
that the Democrats are very kind of enthusiastic about Kamala
Harris running again. I don't know, maybe they're maybe some
of their more low information voters might be enthusiastic about it,

(10:01):
But I think, but I think the movers and shakers
within the party, I'm thinking are kind of you know,
burying their heads in the you know, in their hands,
just thinking about Kamala running again. Yeah, I almost think
they prefer Gavin Newsom to run, even though you know
his record is, let's face it, abysmal. But I don't know.

(10:25):
I think I think that I think the party itself
may have Kamala fatigue.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
To be honest with you, it's absolutely possible. And then
the numbers back it up. Obviously, we don't have polling
this far out, but we do have betting markets, and
I love following the betting marks because they're they're often
more more accurate than polls, because you know, people are
willing to rather than just answer a question over phone

(10:49):
or digital. They you know that they're willing to put
their money down on these things. And uh, the latest
figures that I got, and I've actually done a piece
of this on lutination that you can go and check
out your listeners at home, and that is Newsom is
seven to four he's the favorite to win the nomination,
which is thirty five or thirty six percent probability that

(11:11):
it will get it. Way down on the list that
twenty to one is Kamala Harris twenty to one, which
is just under five percent probability that she's going to
get the nomination. She's doing this grand tour everywhere. She
was on the This is actually where we got the
last Sunday, she did an interview with the BBC where
she was saying she's not done yet. That's she's not

(11:34):
done yet with the political realm. And we know she's
not going for governor of California, she's not going to
be going for a House seat, and so it's the presidency. Right.
But I think nobody's told her that she lives in
this echo chamber where nobody told her, hey, what you're
doing and what you've been doing is not going to
win votes. People aren't interested in that. If she didn't

(11:57):
live in an echo chamber, somebody would have been brave
enough to tell her, you have to stop talking, you know,
you've got to stop the words out, because I mean,
she's a lawyer, right, she's a lawyer. She was attorney general,
she was a senator, and you know a lot of
people mark her, A lot of people marker, a lot
of people marker that she must be reasonably smart. You know,

(12:19):
she must be, but then she just waffles on with
this inanity that nobody can understand and it means nothing.
And there's been nobody who cared about her enough or
was brave enough to say, you've got to stop talking,
make your point, shut up. And if she had that,
she might be president right now. But I don't think

(12:43):
that she has that kind of bubble. She has people
around her saying, Oh, you're wonderful, you're the first black,
you're the first Indian whatever, you're the first woman, VP,
bloody busst Canadian or Canadian, Yeah, first child of a
communist to achieve her in officers. But she doesn't have it.

(13:05):
So she lives and continues to live in this echo chamber.
And her book tour is just proof of that, because
she's going around talking about the reasons why she lost
and none of those reasons are her.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, no, it's it's incredible, and I think her biggest
you know, you're talking about the word salads here, and
you know, it's easy to make fun of Kamala Harris.
Quite frankly, it's so easy because she does. She literally
says things that are entirely meaningless, and I really think

(13:37):
that's her biggest problem. I kind of think you're right
that you almost touched on it a minute ago, that
she she may she she could have. I don't know
if she would have beaten Trump this time around. But
but but in another in another life, in another election cycle,
against another opponent, maybe I think she will could have

(13:58):
become president if only she was able to do that,
if only she was able to actually clearly and concisely
articulate an agenda and say, you know, and have words
come out of her mouth that actually, when you put
them together, they made sense. I think I think too

(14:18):
much too much.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
To ask anyway.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
You know Trump, Trump's going to be running again anyway,
so you.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Know she's yes. See he absolutely isn't. Well let's never
say absolutely, right. I know he likes teasing the fourth
estate with it, say oh, you know it could come
on as vice president and then you know he steps there.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
But he has kind of he has kind of he
has kind of now sort of semi endorsed. I guess
you could say a vance Rubio ticket and you know
and realistically that that may well end up being the
Republican ticket.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
That is a powerhouse ticket that there's no doubt about it.
Mainly because of Marco Rubio. I think because although JD.
Vance will you know, he has some chops, certainly, and
he handles himself and the media incredibly well. But in
terms of being tested every day in a range of

(15:18):
different tasks, negotiations, diplomatic things and decision making, that's Marco
Rubio at the moment. I mean, he's doing so many
he's wearing so many hats, and you really don't see anything.
And I follow the more left leaning media, you know,
I follow. It's what I read, just so I can

(15:39):
understand what people are saying.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
I'll do the same.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's the majority of what I read. You
rarely hear anything bad about Marco Rubio, even in the
places where sixty percent of their daily stories about how
bad is Donald Trump and JD. Vance, You rarely hear
anything bad about Mark Rubio because he's quietly competent in

(16:03):
a way that shouldn't be. But it is strikingly rare
in modern politics.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I think so. And of course, you know, it's probably
worth reminding people that we do not endorse candidates or
at Liberty Nation, but just in terms of comparing, you know,
just kind of in a non partisan way, Comparing Marco
Rubio to the rest of the potential twenty twenty eight

(16:31):
field Republican and Democrats, it's almost like he stands out
as the one guy who has proven that, you know,
he can actually perform in an important role and actually
do things. And I was never I must admit, I've
never been Marco Rubio's greatest fan, but he certainly seems

(16:56):
to have. I believe he's come through for thee pretty
pretty admirably so far.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, it's got to be the toughest job in the world,
I think, you know, Secretary of State under Donald Trump,
it's right, Yes, there's nothing like Hillary Clinton was quietly
competent also in her way as Secretary of State until
the disasters and the scandals got the better of her.
But you know, she didn't put any feet wrong. But

(17:26):
the difference there is that Barack Obama had and I
guess if you go on Wikipedia, he had no scandals.
But the right way to look at this is he
had plenty of scandals, but they didn't rise into the
fourth or state level where they were. You know, they
were loud and clear everywhere, and it was really only
interested parties who knew about these scandals the presidency of

(17:49):
Barack Obama. It was a much calmer affair than what's
happening under Donald Trump. Donald Trump is, he's a whirlwind,
He's a juggernaut. Marco Rubio's got a tough job, well
pretty much doing anything under that and so so great.
Let's pull back to the Democratic primary that will inevitably

(18:09):
come about. Who do you think else will be throwing
that hat into the ring.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I believe that Tim Wolfz has suggested that he's thinking
about a twenty twenty eight run. But again, is you know,
is he even more of any more serious a candidate
than Kamala howis?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
And then of course, you know you've got the you've
got the usual suspects, so to speak. For instance, Shapiro,
Josh Shapiro is always one that people have talked about,
I think candidate to be and I think the Democrats
shouldn't discount him as a as a serious contender.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, very much so. Yeah, the Josh Shapiro watch is
moving back with Graham after this shortbreak. Don't go anywhere.
That's what was free.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
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Speaker 1 (19:07):
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
And you're back on Liberty Nation Radio. Continue our conversation
with a Liberty Nations chief political analyst, mister Graham, Jay
Noble Graham. This is this is where you this is
your bread and butter terff here as a Libertin Nation's
chief political analyst. It's the elections coming up just after
the weekend here depending on when you're listening to this show.
And we have three I think fascinating races. We've got

(19:48):
the New York City mayor election. We've got two gubernatorials
as well, New Jersey and Virginia. Which one are you
most interested in?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
You know, I think New Jersey is going to be
an interesting race. I think it's going to be a
type race actually with Virginia. My personal view, and again
this is not a preference, certainly not an endorsement, but
my personal view is that Winston el Sears is not

(20:22):
going to become the first black female governor because well,
by the left standards, you know, if you go by
the standards of the Democratic Party and what they say
their voters, I guess are too racist to elect a
black woman.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
So they only if you believe what Barack Obama tells you,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
So they're going to go with Spamberger, I think. But
the New Jersey races should be interesting. And then there's
another interesting aspect to the Virginia races that the attorney
general's race is now there's at least one poll that
shows that it's flipped.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
It's a trend. It's a trend. Yeah, it's now a trend. Actually, yeah,
there's a there's more support for the Republican attornial after J. Jones.
I don't know how he so successfully managed a torpedo
his political career. And I mean, that's that's something that
Virginians are going to have to deal with. Should J.

(21:22):
Jones win and come through as attorney general, they'll have
somebody who wishes that his political opponents children died in
their mother's arms for being little fascists, his words, and
they'll have to reckon with that, as you know, as Virginians,
and that's you know, that's their vote, that's their right
to do. But yes, it has flipped, and I wonder

(21:42):
how much that that flipping in the attorney general race
is going to impact the race between Abigail Spamberg and
Winceamell Sears for governor. Now at like you, I don't
think it's going to go for winceamel Sears. The polling
we have on the pages of lutination dot com. We
have the public Square, which is our aggregate polling machine.

(22:07):
It's fantastic. I recommend everybody go and check it out.
The graphics, the displays, the information are great. They look fantastic.
Go and check that out. But the aggregate polling there
has Spanberger up by seven point six points overall. And
I think the j. Jones debacle might make that a

(22:27):
bit of a closer crunch. But still maybe I don't
really like to do predictions. I think maybe like five
and a half points will be the final result. There
will be, Yeah, it seems about right. Then. Of course
you have New Jersey, which you say, as you say,
it's quite an interesting one, because I think I also

(22:49):
think it'll be close. Looking at the I'm actually looking
at the stats on our Public Square here now and
it's a difference of five point two percent. But Jack
has a He has a habit of overperforming there based
on the polls, doesn't he? I think against Phil Murphy,
he was just he ended up just at like three

(23:09):
points behind last time. Why do you think that is?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
You know, it's it's it's kind of funny. New Jersey
is a is a strange state when it comes.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
To there a couple of weeks ago. You don't have
to tell me.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yes, I've been there a couple of times myself. But
you know, when it comes to the politics in New Jersey,
it's kind of weird because it's absolutely a blue state.
But but you know, there there's like there's always a
couple of states, specifically up there in the in the Northeast,
there are states that generally speaking, will the people who
live there will happily elect a Republican as their governor,

(23:46):
even though they will always, you know, go for the
Democrat when it comes to a presidential race. So I
don't know, you know, is that could we see that
the governor's mentioned, Can we see a Republican moving into
the governor's mentioned? I'm not entirely sure, but I wouldn't

(24:09):
rule it out. And I think it's going to be
and I think the final result of that race is
going to be possibly a difference of you know, two
maybe three points.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, yes, that makes sense. But yeah, as you say,
they're not unaccustomed to Chris Christy was governor there, of course.
But yeah, I think that's the closest race. Now, let's
talk about the one that is nowhere near a close
race where really everybody knows what the result's going to be.

(24:39):
It's just by how much. And that's New York City.
It's around Mandani currently. I believe he's about seventeen points
ahead of former Governor Andrew Cuomo. I mean, that's that's
as good as a done deal as you get in politics,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, I mean to me, it's it's amazing. I'm I'm
I'm very surprised. I mean, okay, you've got obviously, Ma'm
Dammy is benefiting from the fact that, uh, Curtis Sliwa
is kind of splitting the vote with Cuomo, you know that.
And there's there's a lot of conservatives apparently in New

(25:20):
York who are are kind of throwing their weight behind
Cuomo because they know that he's he's the if anyone's
going to beat Mam Dammy, it is going to beat him,
and U and Slee we're kind of splitting off of
that vote. Is definitely hurting Cromo's chances and helping Mam

(25:40):
Dammy and and and of course, I guess people are
just listening to this man promise everything for free, and
they somehow think he can actually deliver on that. And
and so therefore that's why he's almost certainly going to
be the next next mayor of New York.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, it's It's a funny one, isn't it. Because the
people who, as you say, the Conservatives who are now
backing Andrew Cuomo, they don't like Andrew Cuoma. So I
wonder if maybe Cuomo has actually reached his ceiling here,
because as you say, there's a lot of concerns they don't
they don't like Cuomo. They're doing it just to stave

(26:17):
off a Mandami win. And it's not looking like this
is making any difference. And so you're in this position
where there's a ceiling here because there are some that
are just not going to vote for Andrew Cuomo. They
you know, Republicans by and large here, you know, they

(26:37):
remember what he was like as governor, They remember the scandals,
the COVID overreach, things like this, and they don't want
to put him back in use, and they don't want
to be part of putting him back into a powerful position.
And so the supporters of Curtis Sleewar are getting a
lot of stick at the moment saying why isn't slee
War endorsing Cuomo? And I think, you know, I think

(27:02):
the answer that's fairly obvious for them, right, Why would
they want to take part in something there yeah ideologically
opposed to, even if you know, potentially staves off a
Mandami win, which is a very very slim potential there.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well, I think I think, generally speaking, my view on
that is is that generally speaking, people who tend to
people who generally tend to vote Republican are much less
willing than people who vote Democrats too.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
To to sort.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Of betray your own principles if it means that you
get the desired political outcome, you know what I mean.
Democrat voters will often they'll shift their alliances for you know,
to create tactical advantages. I believe that conservatives are less
willing to do that. They're just like, oh no, this

(28:00):
is my guy, and this is who I'm voting for.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
But for those who disagree with Graham's assessment, there, I
offer you the Jay Jones proof to Attorney General in Virginia.
You have people condemning what he said, wishing young children,
young blameless, kindergarten aged children dead in their mother's arms.

(28:24):
And yet they still think, and this is either elected
officials say still, it's better to have a Democrat than
a Republican in the Attorney General's office. And so yes,
I think when you say that some people are willing
to form alliances or vote tactically, I think that is
more a thing on the left, because the left is

(28:48):
a broader church overall that there's no doubt about that.
There's blue dog Democrats who I think they have more
in line with more traditional conservatives than anything else. But
then you've got like far left progressives and they all
come under this one banner.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Whereas and I think the one thing that the very
core of left wing political ideology is that the ends
always justified the means.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yes, that's never a true word spoken there, and we've
seen that. It's been the slogan of countless riot It's
been the high point of numerous politicians speeches been their
own by any means necessary. We've got to win, and
those words, those are possibly unlike Lonald Reagan's most terrifying

(29:38):
words in the English language. I'm from the government and
I'm here to help. Is elected politicians or elected hopefuls
saying we're going to win, We're going to do this,
We're going to achieve this by any means necessary. Now
that's a truly frightening thought. Graham J. Noble, thanks ever
so much for being here.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Just pleasure mout and you're a liberty Liberty Nation with
Mark Edge of Ladies.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
And welcome back to Liberty Nation radio head Ghast Coast
on the Radio America Network our Remania host Mark Angeleide's
we're joined today for the first time on Liberty Nation
Radio by Michelle White, author over at libertynation dot com.
Thanks for being here, Michelle, Thanks for having me Mark
so Michelle. The reason I've actually comments you read a fat,
fascinating article on the page of Liberty Nation dot com

(30:23):
which detailed which states are most impacted by the federal shutdown. Now,
at the time of recording, the shutdown is still ongoing,
although it might not be by the time this airs
at the weekend, so let's keep that in mind as
we go through. But you're talking about the states and
the areas that are most affected by the shutdown, Do

(30:47):
you want to give me the brief overview on that, right?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, it was mostly blue states, not surprising, and at
the top was Washington, d C. Which of course has
the most federal employees, but also what I do know,
the most recipients of snap benefits. So I didn't crunch
these numbers while it Hubb did. But DC was the
one that was feeling the pinch worse than anybody, which
is really kind of ironic since that's where the government

(31:13):
that is shutting it down is.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Well, you keep the pressure where it's most localized, right,
So there's I think how this how well hub figured
out their details here is that the number of federal
or government employees within an area. And I've actually seen
a couple of interesting studies from wallet hub over the
over the years that I'm sure they've done lots of them,

(31:37):
but I've only seen a couple of it. Of them,
they did one about what was the most patriotic state,
and they did that base a range of different factors,
and it's pretty interesting. But yeah, the idea that the
top states and newspathies that are impacted by the shutdown
being what we call traditionally blue states, that fascinates me

(31:59):
because that there's almost and there's a pressure within that
for Democrats to make a deal with the Republicans. Now,
I know that there's a there's political angles to this,
especially for Chuck Schumer, who took some major flak. I

(32:20):
think it was back in March when he uh when
when when they signed the last continuing resolution there the
last budget bill, and and he's been taking flack ever since.
And obviously Alexandriss Cortes is creeping up behind him on
that Senate seat of his that he so greatly loves.

(32:40):
But there's some pressure there, isn't there because the people
in the states that are not so impacted that they're
not really clamoring for You've got to make a deal
Republicans for example. You've got to get in there, and
you've got to acquiesce in some way. That's all coming

(33:00):
from the what we call traditionally blue states. Isn't it right?

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Well, because it doesn't affect the ones that are not
federal employees, for ones who aren't working for the government,
the ones who aren't ice agents, the ones who aren't
on snap benefits. So that's where the biggest pain is.
But you're right, it's very political because I think TDS
is involved here as well, because they just they don't

(33:27):
care if their constituents are hurting. They just have to
make it all about Donald Trump, all about the Republicans
and stick that, let that faucet drip for the next year,
so that they can stoke the anger and they think
they're going to win in the next the in the midterms.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
But I hope that backfires.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Honestly, I've never seen I mean, obviously we're on a
record now, I've never seen the government shut down like
this before, and that they're so willing, so willing to
keep it going and not willing to negotiate with Republicans
who have said we're ready to talk about healthcare, We're
ready to deal with these issues, but let's open the
government first, which is an entirely reasonable position.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, it's so. I think what's confounding a lot of
people is that the continuing Resolution that's been offered and
voted down eleven times is exactly the same package that
was voted for and passed before that where enough of

(34:27):
a bipartisan movement came together to vote for that before.
But now now it's not good enough apparently, So the
status quote that kept the government funded, what was it?
Ronald Reagan said, status quote? It's Latin for the mess.
We're in the mess word.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah, right, Well, you're right.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
They voted thirteen times for a continuing resolution under President Biden,
but they won't now because they don't want to give
the Republicans a win, which I don't know how that's
a win to turn on the lights and the government
and make sure everything is going. How is that a
win for the president. That's the thing is the two
separate branches of government. So you can't blame any of

(35:10):
this on President Trump. This is the legislative branch, and
it falls on them, not on the president. When the
government is shut down, and if they're refusing to vote
on a clean resolution, what are the bones of contention?
They just want to throw more money in there, and
Republicans are standing their ground and they should. Well, that's
what Republican voters voted for.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
They voted for less spending, bringing down the deficit, and not.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Having illegal aliens on any kind of government benefits.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah. I think this all comes down to, as with
many things in politics, it all comes down to what
is the pervasive narrative, what is the winning narrative? And
I think we saw a lot of that, didn't we
in the early debates, in the early days of the shutdown.
When was it Chuck Schumer on the floor Joanna run

(36:01):
Us through that.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yeah, Senator Schumer in the early days of debating the
cr was saying over and over that this is Donald
Trump shut down, Donald Trump shut down, Donald Trump shutdown.
In fact, one of the debates, and I cannot remember,
don't quote me on the day, but it was early
on when I was watching for this story, a different
story I was writing. I counted thirteen times that he

(36:23):
kept saying Donald Trump shut down.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
And that's how propa Ganda works.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Just keep repeating it over and over and over, donald
Trump shut down. Whereas juxtaposed to that is Senator Thune saying,
this is what the continuing resolution is. Democrats want to
add one point to trillion. And don't quote me on
those numbers, but it was something around that to the
spending they don't want to take if they want to
continue kicking the can down the road with the Obamacare

(36:49):
for legal aliens. And he wasn't attacking anybody. He was
attacking what was their proposals for the cr and then
and for them not come to the table. But you
could see the partisan divide just in their debate. But
the problem is most people don't watch those debates. They're working,

(37:10):
they're busy, or they're not that invested in it. They
just want to watch the thirty second headline and they
don't know that. That's why I'm proud.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Of the work that we do a liberty nation, that
we bring that to them.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
But it was astonishing, just unabashedly thirteen times as Donald
Trump shut down.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
And so that's the narrative people believe, because it's the
constant drip.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
That makes me think of two things there. That the
first one being when you get from my old corporate days,
when you give a presentation the rules that everything knows this,
I guess ye. You tell them what you're going to
tell them, you tell them what you're telling and then
you tell them what you've told them, right, And the
audience there for these debates, as you're right say, most

(37:50):
people don't watch them they don't have time. They probably
don't have the interest either, because they're not that exciting
and they're hardly what they're hardly what I call debates
in the in the loosest sense of the word, their debates.
But so there's an audience, but the audience is the
fourth of State, And so really what and both sides

(38:12):
are equally guilty of this is they're trying to tell
the attendant fourth the State, this is what we're telling
you about. We're telling you about this, this is what
we told you about, and this is why they write
it the same phrases again and again. So for Senator Schumer,
it's it's Donald Trump shut down, Donald Trump shut down.

(38:33):
For Senator Thune, it's a continuing resolution, continuing resolution or
clean resolution, I think is his clean resolution is good.
And the second thing that occurs to me is just
just randomly is I think it was Herman Gering, Hitler's
chief propagandist, who said, tell a lie big enough, and

(38:53):
just repeat it often enough, it becomes the truth. And
that's I think that, you know, for all the horror,
he wasn't necessarily wrong about how propaganda impacts the mind,
and therefore the action action follows mine of course, right,
but yes, anyway, that's where my mind went on that.

(39:17):
Michelle White, thank you ever so much for being with us.
Do appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Thanks for having me Mark.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
And that's all we have time for on this week's
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