August 15, 2025 • 39 mins
Seg 1: Political Embarrassments
Seg 2: The Political Litmus Test
Seg 3: Too Soon for the 2028 Talk?
Seg 4: A Limited Presidential Field
Seg 2: The Political Litmus Test
Seg 3: Too Soon for the 2028 Talk?
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So Joe, as an Englishman, it is I would say,
it's my entire goal in life to get from one
end to the other without being embarrassed. That's I think
(01:17):
that's a fairly English attitude to have. But it seems
that there's a certain political party in the United States
that is having some embarrassing times. Tell me more.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, you know, I've really been wanting to talk about
this for a while. You know, people analyzing the disastrous
Democrat results last November were saying the chickens came home
to roost, which is their progressive left, often embarrassing those
looking to move towards the center. Well, you know, the
chickens didn't come home to roosts last week. They've been
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there for eight or nine months now, So what are
they doing with the chicken The chickens are sitting there,
They're hovering over these demos and it's just gonna keep
going on for two in four more years. They kind
of a mixing my metaphors here, But they sowed the
whirlwind and now it's a tornado, and the Democrats who
(02:14):
want to pivot to the center all of a sudden
appeal to the working class. It's like, hey, can we
stop the tornado now? And you know it's just not
that easy.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I see, yeah, I see what you're getting at here.
There's all the people who are getting the airwaves and
the attention and the oxygen are the people who are
on the fringes of the Democratic Party, or in fact,
let's say not know the Democratic, but on the fringes
of the political left. And yet they're becoming the loadstone
(02:47):
of which around which everything coalesces. So you're working on
a piece now about certain Scott Wiener, not to be
confused with Anthony Wiener, who also ended up embarrassing his
show party.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I think it's a perfect example. This is not
just a California phenomenon. This is a democratic problem, and
you're going to see it in state after state, and
you can see it in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio,
these russ Belt states that the last thing they should
do is embrace these radical culture war progressive things. It's
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a real millstone around one man's neck, in particular, Gavin Newsom,
who has presidential ambitions we all know, was just in
South Carolina getting Jim Clyburne. The establishment veteran old guard
Democrat who helped Joe Biden get the nomination in twenty twenty.
So he's in South Carolina trying to pivot to the center. Meanwhile,
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he's got Scott Wiener San Francisco you know the picture
of Democrat San Francisco politician. He's a very influential state
senator in California. He's not fringe at all. He authors
legislation and it gets passed. And Gavin Newsom, to his mortification,
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has had this sign more than one deeply embarrassing Scott
Wiener bill. And it's gonna come back to him in
twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight when if he runs
the president. And Scott Wiener just the other day announced
he filed papers to run for Congress in twenty twenty eight,
saying I want that Nancy Pelosi seat. I am her
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natural successor. And if you're Donald Trump, if you're a Republican,
you're like, of course you are, yes, you are. You
are her natural successor. Because this is exactly what Republicans want.
They couldn't ask for better candidate than a Scott Wiener
obsessed with cultural war issues when Americans are worried about
the price of supermarket groceries in gasoline.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I think it's a little unfair to say that
mister Wiener is the natural success to Speaker emeritus, the
maritar emeritus Pelosi, because yes, she's very much firmly on
the political left, and she does follow the political winds
off California, but I wouldn't say she's necessarily She's never
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really brought embarrassment to the mainstream the blue dog Democrats
of her party in the way that mister Wiener seems
to be doing. He's making he's making his colleagues within
his party defend the things that he's bringing forward when
they really are I would say that they're on the
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If you imagine the you've got the Overton window and
then three blocks down, that's where he is.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Right when you cultivate this, when you embrace this, as
I would argue that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer,
they embraced us twenty years ago. There are pictures of
Nancy Pelosi posing where drag Queen's and all this stuff.
So they didn't run away from this, and then they're
surprised that these people want power for themselves So let's
(06:06):
talk about Scott Wiener. He's an in your face homosexual activist.
He dresses in leather for parades. He's been called the
homosexual communities a leather sugar daddy in the state Senate. Okay,
regardless of how you feel about these issues, this is
not what you want to talk about if you're a
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national Democrat. This just gives the working class vote to
Donald Trump because Americans aren't interested in this anymore. Let's
talk about two bills Scott Wiener authored that Gavin Newsom
had to sign. One was changing the state law allowing
sex between a minor and adult if there is a
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ten year age gap, so a twenty four year old
and a fourteen year old, that twenty four year old
would not be up charges. In twenty twenty, Gavin Newsom
had to sign that bill. Even more embarrassing, I think,
in twenty twenty two, and this is what California Democrats
spend their time on. In twenty twenty two, they passed
the law Scott Wiener introduced this bill. They passed it
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outlaw barring barring police from arresting prostitutes for loitering. You
can't arrest them for loitering, and so you know this
again just feeds right into Republican areas. Newsomb didn't even
want to sign it, but you can't say no to
the progressive left of the Democratic Party signed the bill,
and there was two Republicans immediately wrote an opted saying
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we knew this was going to happen. They told the
story about an inner city school, prostitutes hanging out, hanging
outside this grade school. Police are not allowed to arrest
them because they have every right to loiter thanks to
this bill authored by Scot Scott Wieder and signed by
Gavin Newsomb. So is that going to come back to
Hank Gavin Newsom in twenty twenty eight when he ke
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claims to be more eccentrist. Absolutely is. And this is
not just a California phenomenon. This happens in state after state,
and this is going to keep haunting Democrats. The chickens
are here, they're roosted in their home and they're not
going away anytime soon.
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Nations Enterprise reporter Joe Schaeffer and now Joe. Earlier in
the show, we talked about Scott Wiener and how he
has been putting out legislation that Gavin Newsom, the governor
of California, has essentially been forced to sign because to
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deny the more progressive, the more fringe elements of the
of his own party. It is pretty much it's a
non starter, now, isn't it. They kind of got to
either denounce the the fringes or accept it. Hule haunted
that I don't think there's a middle ground here.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Is there. That's that's the boy.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I wanted to talk about this part because you know,
you can't you can't deny this and implacate that progressive base.
And you know we see this on immigration especially, these
want to be centrist Democrats probably would like to pursue
a more sane course and immigration. You absolutely can't do
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it in the Democratic Party. And I will tell you
the number one reason why you can't do it. You know,
think about the Republican Party. Even before Trump, there were
certain litmus tests for their candidates, the Second Amendment. God,
if you were pro gun controlled, you were not getting
support by a vaswathor Republicans and abortion, you know, pro
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life as well. I think most Americans, no matter how
they feel about that, would feel like those are a
pretty normal litmus test for a political party. The litmus
test for Democrats and their progressive based dominated party is
you can never be on the wrong side of the
racial minorities are being systemically oppressed argument. So that is
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how they fell into the Black Lives Matter trap in
twenty twenty because you cannot say, hey, defunding the police
is crazy. You can't say that if you're a Democrat,
because then you are on the wrong side of the
argument that blacks are systemically oppressed. And immigration today right now,
you cannot say, hey, open borders is crazy, let's deport
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these criminal being. If you do that, you are on
the wrong side of the argument that brown people are
systemically oppressed in America today. So that's the litmus test,
and you cannot go against that litmus test. And no
national party that aims for the center going to thrive
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when that is what you have to support. And we
saw especially in the twenty twenty Democratic presidential primary. If
you remember how crazy that was, where where the leftist
moderators that most aside from Univision, raise your hands if
you want to give a legal aliens healthcare, and they
all raise their hands, you know, dutifully, because you have
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to do that in the Democratic Party. That hasn't changed,
that hasn't gone away, and the progressive leftist base is
not going to let that change. So what do you do?
What do you do if you're an establishment Democrat who
wats a trend at the center and you absolutely are
not allowed to buy your base.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, that's the uh, that's the two and a half
billion dollar campaign chest question, isn't it, Joe. It seems
to me though, that if somehow a blue dog Democrat,
a centrist Democrat could come out and say, look, we've
gone too far as a party. We need to come back.
(12:05):
Forget all this stuff. It's not important. Let's focus on
the economy. Let's focus on, for example, unions. That's very
popular with blue dog Democrats. The center line, straight down
the middle. I'm sorry, obviously I'm thinking a bit Bill
Clinton here, right, That's who That's what I got. But
a modern day Bill Clinton. I think that a modern
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day Bill Clinton could quite easily beat a more Maga
style Republican come twenty twenty eight, unless unless, and I
do have preter, unless Trump's gambits now end up paying
off massively, which they may well do the big beautiful
Bill if it energizes growth to such a level. But
(12:51):
if it doesn't, a Bill Clinton of today I think
would sail home in twenty twenty eight. What do you think.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
You're skipping a step? I believe can Bill Clinton of
nineteen ninety two Bill Clinton win a Democratic presidential primary
in twenty twenty eight. And my argument is absolutely, Matt,
you cannot get the progressive base that dominates the grassroots
of the Democrats to support anything remotely approaching a saying
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Democrat approach. We're seeing that in the legal limigration especially.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, well, you're right, You're absolutely right. However, I'll flip
that question around again. How could an America first candidate
win in twenty fifteen in the wake of Barack Obama
when the primary in the wake of Barack Obama.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Barack Obama was always more myth than reality, of course,
of course.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But it's a myth that many people brought into Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
So I don't see him as some kind of like
great political example to lead.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
My meaning, Joe is that proud of Republican primary candidates.
They've all sort of reacted to Barack Obama's tenure in
the White House, and they're pitching their position, and then
along comes Donald Trump, and in twenty fourteen, people say,
in America first candidates, it's not something that's going to happen,
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that the climate's not right, the people aren't right, the
public isn't right, and yet he came along, and here
we are.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
At I don't think people have a lot of the
people in the know did not have that impression. Sure,
he didn't come out of nowhere. He wasn't a surprise.
Eric Canter losing his when he was poised to become
the House Speaker and losing his primary in twenty fourteen
should have been the whistle, I mean, the screaming whistle
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to the Republican establishment that you are in big, big
trouble here. The base has had enough, and don't you
even try to give us another Bush or Rob And
what did they do? They tried to rig it for
Jeb Bush. I mean they made it easy for Donald Trump.
Donald Trump was the only person who came across as
an authentic human being, and that is pretty much all
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you had to be in that twenty fifteen twenty sixteen
Republican field. So I don't I mean, looking back on it,
we can say, yeah, you know, it was surprising when
it first happened, but it all, it all makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I mean, I bet on Donald Trump to win the primary.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I was.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I was convinced that he was going to win despite
what everybody're saying, because I took the time to read
the actual polls and I went down below just the
top line stuff to look at, well, they're clearly overrepresenting
Democrats here, and obviously when that happens, you end up
with a skewed thing, which is why we was a
ninety Hillary Clinton had a ninety five percent chance of
(15:48):
winning the presidency. I was, I was not sold on
that idea from the start. But let's say that they
do try. The Democrats do try and run a centrist
candidate that their best candidate for that at the moment
appears to be Gavin Newsom, who is far from a centrist.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Right he is not, and he's going to have wiener
just hovering over him like an anchor, reminding the rest
of America of all these crazy policies that Newsom was
forced to literally sign his signature to while he was
governor of California. And so it is an ongoing problem.
And it's it's also being a progressive aid of being
(16:32):
this cultural radical. It's such a performative act. It's not
a coincidence that they're always you know, they look like
people on social media taking selfies. You know, these senators,
you know, doing these public protests against ice and getting
thrown out of press conferences, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's just that, that.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Is what you know, what's the point in being a
cultural radical if everybody doesn't know it? And so that
means that attention, now, attention is always going to be
thrown against them. And it's also it's so stale now.
The woke moment that was so big in the twenty teens,
especially in early twenty twenties, it's like disco. It's just
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so bad. They like to present themselves as the fun ones,
and it now I think, really, your average typical American
really isn't conservative, right, isn't really lying to anything? What
is fun about being a progressive. What is fun about
open borders that allow all these criminals into our country,
raping women, committing all these crimes. What is fun about
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overdosing on fentanyl and a government approved homeless tent in Portland, Oregon?
What is fun about wearing a cap that says make
abortion great again? Like that actress Cynthia Nixon recently did,
or that singer I don't even know who she is.
You know who Lily Allen is.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's no idea. I'm a cultural relic.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
She made headlines by saying, you know, I've had so
many abortions. I don't know how many I've had, you know,
I think what's fun about that?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
This is the left? This is not fun.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
This is squalid. Squalid to me, I think it's the
perfect word from It's dreary, it's dark. It's not where
Americans are right now. And centrist Democrats are attached to this,
and like we've been talking about here, how do they
get away from it?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I don't have an answer. I don't I think get
away from it. I think your point about the humor
here is well taken because Donald Trump is he has
a sense of humor, and he has fun on the
world stage and on the domestic stage, and that comes
through in I guess we call it authenticity more than
anything else. Joe Schaeffer, thanks ever so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Thank you.
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Speaker 3 (19:34):
Oh Mark, it's so much fun. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Sir.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I've got the question for you. Is it too soon
to be talking about twenty twenty eight? Because this is
all that I'm Everybody in my acquaintance and friend group
and family they know how much I're obsessed over politics,
and they're all asking me what's going to happen in
twenty twenty eight, who's going to be running, who's on
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the Democrat side, who's on the Republicans, is it going
to be Jade Vans? And if so, who's going to
who's going to be his running mate? And so I
think about these things constantly, and I don't really have
a choice because fortunately I have a family that loves
discussing politics.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So that's a lucky break for you.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It really for me, it is, because you know, otherwise
I'd just be sat alone by myself talking on the
computer ray sair. But so I want to talk about
who are the lightly contenders for twenty twenty eight, what
kind of trials and tribulations are going to have, and
what kind of hoops they're going to have to jump
through depending on what happens between now and the run
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up to the twenty twenty eight election. And let's start,
if you don't mind, let's start with the what's happening
with the Democratic Party because as we talked about it
a couple of weeks ago, tim they appear to be
somewhat leaderless at the moment, which leaves a space and
someone might say, have a vacuum which is dragging powerful
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figures within the party, many with national name recognition, towards
the top spot. So give me your view from ten
thousand feet or thirty thousand feet with inflation.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I'd say the twenty twenty eight presidential election will be
typical in the sense that things will kick into high
gear the day after the midterm elections. Sure, right now,
there's so much focus on the midterms that you know,
who might be the standard bearer for the Democrats has
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not even remotely been clarified. I mean, right now, there's
nobody essentially. I mean, Kamala Harris sounds like she's going
to run for governor of California, and she would be
wise to stay away from the present cidential race unless
she wants the same result as last time. You've got
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your moderate governors such as Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania, Andy
Bisheer in Kentucky. These are relatively centrist Democrats. But there's
absolutely no clarity at all about where the Democrats might
have And it's pretty unusual to be I say this late.
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It's only six months after Donald Trump took office. But
usually by now there are rumblings about certain individuals. There
haven't been such rumblings because a Democratic Party is in
such a shambles that it's all they can do just
to get from one week to the next with one
Trump victory after another. I mean, Trump is just running
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circles around them, and there's nothing they can do, even
as their base demands that they do more to stop Trump.
Or they don't have control of anything. They don't have
the control of the Senate, the House, or the White House,
or there's very limited things that they can do. On
the Republican side, I think it's a little clearer, maybe
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quite a bit clearer. I think it's a safe assumption
that JD. Vans will be in the running and probably
be the default front runner for twenty twenty eight. Some
of that will depend on what happens in the remainder
of the Trump presidency. But I think it's pretty clear
too that probably Marco Rubio has not gotten his presidential
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ambitions out of his system, even though you know, Trump
played waste to him in twenty sixteen, but that was
a long time ago, and Rubio is still young, and
you would think that he would be you know, a
serious consideration now, whether you had some of the crossover
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candidate like Atulci Gabbert who once ran for president as
a Democrat, would you even get Robert F. Kennedy Junior,
for example? I mean, I think all things are possible
here because as the Republicans have an open road ahead
of them, whereas a Democrat see nothing but roadblocks. But
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I think it's going to be very hard to bring
this into focus before we see what happens in the
twenty twenty six midterms, which are still, of course about
fifteen months away.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yes, you'd probably right that it is worth talking about
some issues that are not really going to go away.
And on the Democrats side here, it seems to me
that Josh Shapiro is I mean, he's the governor of
one of the most important swing states, not the most
important in terms of electoral college talent, and it's also
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one of the most evenly divided states between Republicans Democrats,
of course, with a large number of independence in there,
and a lot of people thought that he was going
to be the shoeing for Kamal Harris's running mate, and
I think it would have been a very different result,
maybe not a win for the Democrats if he had
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been Kamala Harris's running mates, but.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well he would have been at the very least he
would have been in the asset as opposed to the
liability that Tim walls became.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But the reason that he wasn't picked, and it flies
against all political logic unless you assume that he wasn't
picked because he's pro Israeli and a Jew.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I think it's it's unavoidable. It's an unavoidable conclusion considering
the state of the party where the far lap stands
in terms of a Maas versus Israel or Palestinians versus
is there is an incredible fear among the Democrats of
offending they're radical baits. So when you have twenty percent
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of the country, or twenty percent even of your own
base that you're pandering to, the other eighty percent are
left out in the cold, and that's what happened in
them in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, that's not an issue that's going away, though, I think,
I mean certainly not. So here's my and this is
really just prognostication, which it probably shouldn't engage in. But
I think that Josh Shapiro would have a very good
chance of winning the presidency. But I think he has
almost zero chance of winning the Democratic primary, just because,
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as you point out, there are a lot of people
and this isn't going away, well, especially not while the
war continues over there, who say, well, he's in favor
of Israel, therefore he supports genocide of the Palestinian people.
Can you have a supporter of genocide heading up the party?
And now who's going to be saying that, Well, it's
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the loudest voices in the party. And we know the
names that the Justice Democrats, right, your aofc's your Premier, Jiapals,
you're Bernie sad As to some extent as well, And
they're going to be hammering that message home because they're
not losing their power. They're in very, very safe positions,
and they're going to still be making the noise going
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into the races. So yeah, I don't think. I think
Josh Sapiro might have a very very difficult time getting
to the top of that ticket.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, I remember in twenty sixteen when John Kasik rinn
against Donald Trump. He was one of like ten or
twelve competitors against Trump, and he kept making the claim, well, look,
i may not be able to win the Republican nomination,
but I'm definitely a better candidate and the general election
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that Trump is, so that therefore you should support me.
But I think it's a bridge too far to say
if you can't even satisfy your own party that you
can win the presidency. Although I would agree that Shapiro
would be a relatively attracted general election candidate. There's no
question about it. He's popular among Republicans, Democrats, and independence
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in Pennsylvania, with an approval rating hovering around sixty percent.
That's impressive.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's as Donald Rumsfel said, that's not nothing. That's not nothing.
That's a known, it's a no known. We're going to
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For your freedom and your liberty. Liberty Nation with Mark Angelites.
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with continuing our conversation with longtime hosts of this radio
show and Libitty Nations senior political analyst Tim donnod Tim.
Earlier in the show, we were talking about Josh Shapiro's
Pennsylvania governors, Josh Shpiers potential run for the White House,
his possibilities, it's some issues he might face, and I
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think that brings us nicely on to another potential Democrat
candidate for twenty eight being Andy Thesher of Kentucky. Now
he has the advantage of being a Democrat in a
very deep red state, and so he's learned to navigate
between the parties, or he has a foot in both worlds.
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As the movie says, what's your take on mister Micheap
Governor vishare Well.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I think if you look at his presence in the
media in recent weeks or more generally since the election,
he's starting to come out and make statements. He's starting
to attack Drum, He's starting to take stands against the
Trump administration. He starties being more critical. So at the
(30:10):
very least, it seems that Andy Basheer is keeping a
lot his name in the media and his potential to
run for the White House. I think smart Democrats will
go to him and say please run, because I would
think even the far left, the AOC's and Bernie Sanders,
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would appreciate the fact that even though he's way to
the right of them, because nobody could be further to
the left than the squad, that if he can win,
they will rally around him. I mean, that's what a
political party is for, to rally around a single person,
even though he's not going to satisfy everybody, or sometimes
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even to anybody, but you know, he can take a
position that is popular directly with the American people. I
think that Bashir would be wise to consider this because
he could potentially be the Bill Clinton of twenty twenty
eight with the Jimmy Carter. I hesitate to say that,
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because you, of course Carter was a failed presidency, But
the point is that Carter and Clinton murguise that brought
the party back to sanity, back to the center. So
I'd be surprised, honestly, Mark, if any Bashir didn't make
a run at it. But I say that without knowing
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his own personal ambitions, because running for president is an
enormously complicated, exhausting, and expensive proposition. It's a nation wide campaign,
which is very different than campaigning in one state like Kentucky.
So I don't know what's in his head, but on paper,
he stands along with Shapiro as the two most attractive candidates,
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with a possible exception of Gretchen Whitberg from Michigan, who
has sort of worked the center pretty well. She's appeared
with Trump when he went to Michigan, and she's trying
to sound more more sort of centrist these days, and
I think it's pretty clear she's she's got a presidential
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and ambitions based on based on her statements and her appearances,
her activity.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I think she will be suffering from that. Obviously, we
will remember the photo of Michael Chicakis would be the
oversized helmet on his head that I mean that sunk
his career essentially. But there's Gretchen Witman trying to hide
behind a folder. She's covering her face with it in
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a room full of reporters.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But I have to say, though, Mark, I actually I
kind of I believe it or not. I can't buy
her explanation that she was having fun with it, like, oh,
I can't be seen by other Democrats in the White House,
because come on, you claim it, right, nobody's gonna know
she's there. I mean, and she's breaking a point of
(33:15):
doing it so that she can get some the tension
and sort of playfully act like, oh, I can't be
seen with Donald Trump. I actually believe it or not, Mark,
I believe her.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
All right, Let's just quickly tell something else about Andy
Bashers that he was in South Carolina recently as well
as was another candidate we made to a potential Candida.
I mean to talk about Gavin Newsom and and there's
it's almost become the pilgrimage now, the visits to South
Carolina to get the blessings. And I wonder if you
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could said someone. So it seems to me that presidential
candidates they want to go to South Carolina and get
the blessing of Jim Clyburn, represents Jim Clyburn as if
he has the power to anoint the successor to Joe
Biden and every other Democratic president he's now occupying. For
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some reason, this is almost mythological space that for a
long time Al Sharpton, well known rifter Al Sharpton and
somebody who can't spell the word respect Al Sharpton.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I thought I thought it was respect.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You not they say that three times the Al Sharpton anyway,
that's for those who have watched mister Reverend Sharpton's career.
So now they seem to be doing the same way.
So it used to be the go to Al Sharpton
and get his blessing before launching the presidential bids. Now
they seems to be going to South Carolina and Jim Clyburn.
And I'm not convinced that that's really a worthwhile thing.
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It's symbolic but without any actual practical value, or do
I have that wrong?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Well, I think what's happened is that the Democrats and
even to some extent the Republicans, over these last several
cycles have found that Iowa and New Hampshire are not
as important as they thought. Joe Biden cut, cut, clobberd
in both places in twenty twenty, and then he went
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to South Carolina and his campaign revot. Of course, it
was helpful that the Democratic Party essentially shoved every other
centrist candidate out the door and said get lost. Biden's
our guy. So in that sense, what happened recently is
what people usually take to be the new normal, which
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is that if you go to South Carolina, you appeal
to the black audience there, which is a precursor to
winning the black vote in the general election. That's the
most important primer, because if you win that, you take
the momentum into Super Tuesday, which usually has anywhere from
ten to fifteen different Marys. And you know the problem
(36:03):
is that, you know, Joe Biden, for whatever reason, was
pretty popular among black Americans when he was elected not
so much after he was elected. But I don't see
any of these candidates that we discussed, from Gavin Newsom
to Andy Basher to Josh Shapiro to Gretchen Whitmer, I
(36:26):
don't see any of them having a particular appeal to
black people, and so I guess because of that, they
want to go to South Carolina to say that they're
a friend of the black man and the black woman,
unlike these other pretenders to the throne.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's almost the trope, isn't it. It's like I can't
be a racist because I have a black friend. His
name is Jim Clyburn of South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
No, one of my best friends are black, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
But people seem together. You know, America doesn't have kings,
and Jim Clyburn is not the King of South Carolina,
much as he may wish it.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
I for sure, I for one, was very grateful for
the No Kings movement and the Democrats, because up to
that point I thought that we did have kings. I know,
they helped set the record straight. I was very helpful.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
But we can say it was the most successful protest
movement in the history of the nation because they set
out on day one and said no Kings, and then
the next day there were no Kings. It was we
had no King.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
They were successful political movements of all time, bar.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Just finally tim to wrap up. We've we've devoted a
lot of attension to the Democrats. We only briefly touched
on the Republicans. I want to make and it's not
a prediction, but it's something to watch. Is I suspect
that whoever claims the Republican nomination in in twenty eight
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will have on their ticket Byron Donald's.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I think it makes a lot of sense because it
plays into the growing support for Trump at least, if
not the Republican Party. Byron Donald's is a real guy.
I mean, he's a very He's a guy you would
love to sit and have a beer with. And I
know that because I've had friends that did sit down
(38:30):
and have a beer with him, and he's very personable.
And it plays into the Republican attempt to steal the
black vote, along with the Hispanic vote, away from the Democrats,
and right now I think they're still headed in that direction.
The Democrats have done almost nothing to appeal to Black
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Americans since Donald Trump was elected. They're aware of it,
and I think this idea of reflexibly and automatically pulling
the lever with a guy with a D next to
his name maybe coming to an end among black Americas.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Let's see what happens. It's a couple of years out,
but Tim, thanks ever so much for joining us. Really
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
A lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Mark, thanks, And that is just about all we have
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So Joe, as an Englishman, it is I would say,
it's my entire goal in life to get from one
end to the other without being embarrassed. That's I think
(01:17):
that's a fairly English attitude to have. But it seems
that there's a certain political party in the United States
that is having some embarrassing times. Tell me more.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, you know, I've really been wanting to talk about
this for a while. You know, people analyzing the disastrous
Democrat results last November were saying the chickens came home
to roost, which is their progressive left, often embarrassing those
looking to move towards the center. Well, you know, the
chickens didn't come home to roosts last week. They've been
(01:52):
there for eight or nine months now, So what are
they doing with the chicken The chickens are sitting there,
They're hovering over these demos and it's just gonna keep
going on for two in four more years. They kind
of a mixing my metaphors here, But they sowed the
whirlwind and now it's a tornado, and the Democrats who
(02:14):
want to pivot to the center all of a sudden
appeal to the working class. It's like, hey, can we
stop the tornado now? And you know it's just not
that easy.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I see, yeah, I see what you're getting at here.
There's all the people who are getting the airwaves and
the attention and the oxygen are the people who are
on the fringes of the Democratic Party, or in fact,
let's say not know the Democratic, but on the fringes
of the political left. And yet they're becoming the loadstone
(02:47):
of which around which everything coalesces. So you're working on
a piece now about certain Scott Wiener, not to be
confused with Anthony Wiener, who also ended up embarrassing his
show party.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I think it's a perfect example. This is not
just a California phenomenon. This is a democratic problem, and
you're going to see it in state after state, and
you can see it in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio,
these russ Belt states that the last thing they should
do is embrace these radical culture war progressive things. It's
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a real millstone around one man's neck, in particular, Gavin Newsom,
who has presidential ambitions we all know, was just in
South Carolina getting Jim Clyburne. The establishment veteran old guard
Democrat who helped Joe Biden get the nomination in twenty twenty.
So he's in South Carolina trying to pivot to the center. Meanwhile,
(03:46):
he's got Scott Wiener San Francisco you know the picture
of Democrat San Francisco politician. He's a very influential state
senator in California. He's not fringe at all. He authors
legislation and it gets passed. And Gavin Newsom, to his mortification,
(04:06):
has had this sign more than one deeply embarrassing Scott
Wiener bill. And it's gonna come back to him in
twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight when if he runs
the president. And Scott Wiener just the other day announced
he filed papers to run for Congress in twenty twenty eight,
saying I want that Nancy Pelosi seat. I am her
(04:27):
natural successor. And if you're Donald Trump, if you're a Republican,
you're like, of course you are, yes, you are. You
are her natural successor. Because this is exactly what Republicans want.
They couldn't ask for better candidate than a Scott Wiener
obsessed with cultural war issues when Americans are worried about
the price of supermarket groceries in gasoline.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I think it's a little unfair to say that
mister Wiener is the natural success to Speaker emeritus, the
maritar emeritus Pelosi, because yes, she's very much firmly on
the political left, and she does follow the political winds
off California, but I wouldn't say she's necessarily She's never
(05:15):
really brought embarrassment to the mainstream the blue dog Democrats
of her party in the way that mister Wiener seems
to be doing. He's making he's making his colleagues within
his party defend the things that he's bringing forward when
they really are I would say that they're on the
(05:38):
If you imagine the you've got the Overton window and
then three blocks down, that's where he is.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Right when you cultivate this, when you embrace this, as
I would argue that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer,
they embraced us twenty years ago. There are pictures of
Nancy Pelosi posing where drag Queen's and all this stuff.
So they didn't run away from this, and then they're
surprised that these people want power for themselves So let's
(06:06):
talk about Scott Wiener. He's an in your face homosexual activist.
He dresses in leather for parades. He's been called the
homosexual communities a leather sugar daddy in the state Senate. Okay,
regardless of how you feel about these issues, this is
not what you want to talk about if you're a
(06:27):
national Democrat. This just gives the working class vote to
Donald Trump because Americans aren't interested in this anymore. Let's
talk about two bills Scott Wiener authored that Gavin Newsom
had to sign. One was changing the state law allowing
sex between a minor and adult if there is a
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ten year age gap, so a twenty four year old
and a fourteen year old, that twenty four year old
would not be up charges. In twenty twenty, Gavin Newsom
had to sign that bill. Even more embarrassing, I think,
in twenty twenty two, and this is what California Democrats
spend their time on. In twenty twenty two, they passed
the law Scott Wiener introduced this bill. They passed it
(07:12):
outlaw barring barring police from arresting prostitutes for loitering. You
can't arrest them for loitering, and so you know this
again just feeds right into Republican areas. Newsomb didn't even
want to sign it, but you can't say no to
the progressive left of the Democratic Party signed the bill,
and there was two Republicans immediately wrote an opted saying
(07:35):
we knew this was going to happen. They told the
story about an inner city school, prostitutes hanging out, hanging
outside this grade school. Police are not allowed to arrest
them because they have every right to loiter thanks to
this bill authored by Scot Scott Wieder and signed by
Gavin Newsomb. So is that going to come back to
Hank Gavin Newsom in twenty twenty eight when he ke
(07:57):
claims to be more eccentrist. Absolutely is. And this is
not just a California phenomenon. This happens in state after state,
and this is going to keep haunting Democrats. The chickens
are here, they're roosted in their home and they're not
going away anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
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host Mark Antelais when we're continue our conversation with Liberty
Nations Enterprise reporter Joe Schaeffer and now Joe. Earlier in
the show, we talked about Scott Wiener and how he
has been putting out legislation that Gavin Newsom, the governor
of California, has essentially been forced to sign because to
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deny the more progressive, the more fringe elements of the
of his own party. It is pretty much it's a
non starter, now, isn't it. They kind of got to
either denounce the the fringes or accept it. Hule haunted
that I don't think there's a middle ground here.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Is there. That's that's the boy.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I wanted to talk about this part because you know,
you can't you can't deny this and implacate that progressive base.
And you know we see this on immigration especially, these
want to be centrist Democrats probably would like to pursue
a more sane course and immigration. You absolutely can't do
(09:34):
it in the Democratic Party. And I will tell you
the number one reason why you can't do it. You know,
think about the Republican Party. Even before Trump, there were
certain litmus tests for their candidates, the Second Amendment. God,
if you were pro gun controlled, you were not getting
support by a vaswathor Republicans and abortion, you know, pro
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life as well. I think most Americans, no matter how
they feel about that, would feel like those are a
pretty normal litmus test for a political party. The litmus
test for Democrats and their progressive based dominated party is
you can never be on the wrong side of the
racial minorities are being systemically oppressed argument. So that is
(10:18):
how they fell into the Black Lives Matter trap in
twenty twenty because you cannot say, hey, defunding the police
is crazy. You can't say that if you're a Democrat,
because then you are on the wrong side of the
argument that blacks are systemically oppressed. And immigration today right now,
you cannot say, hey, open borders is crazy, let's deport
(10:41):
these criminal being. If you do that, you are on
the wrong side of the argument that brown people are
systemically oppressed in America today. So that's the litmus test,
and you cannot go against that litmus test. And no
national party that aims for the center going to thrive
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when that is what you have to support. And we
saw especially in the twenty twenty Democratic presidential primary. If
you remember how crazy that was, where where the leftist
moderators that most aside from Univision, raise your hands if
you want to give a legal aliens healthcare, and they
all raise their hands, you know, dutifully, because you have
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to do that in the Democratic Party. That hasn't changed,
that hasn't gone away, and the progressive leftist base is
not going to let that change. So what do you do?
What do you do if you're an establishment Democrat who
wats a trend at the center and you absolutely are
not allowed to buy your base.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, that's the uh, that's the two and a half
billion dollar campaign chest question, isn't it, Joe. It seems
to me though, that if somehow a blue dog Democrat,
a centrist Democrat could come out and say, look, we've
gone too far as a party. We need to come back.
(12:05):
Forget all this stuff. It's not important. Let's focus on
the economy. Let's focus on, for example, unions. That's very
popular with blue dog Democrats. The center line, straight down
the middle. I'm sorry, obviously I'm thinking a bit Bill
Clinton here, right, That's who That's what I got. But
a modern day Bill Clinton. I think that a modern
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day Bill Clinton could quite easily beat a more Maga
style Republican come twenty twenty eight, unless unless, and I
do have preter, unless Trump's gambits now end up paying
off massively, which they may well do the big beautiful
Bill if it energizes growth to such a level. But
(12:51):
if it doesn't, a Bill Clinton of today I think
would sail home in twenty twenty eight. What do you think.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
You're skipping a step? I believe can Bill Clinton of
nineteen ninety two Bill Clinton win a Democratic presidential primary
in twenty twenty eight. And my argument is absolutely, Matt,
you cannot get the progressive base that dominates the grassroots
of the Democrats to support anything remotely approaching a saying
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Democrat approach. We're seeing that in the legal limigration especially.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, well, you're right, You're absolutely right. However, I'll flip
that question around again. How could an America first candidate
win in twenty fifteen in the wake of Barack Obama
when the primary in the wake of Barack Obama.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Barack Obama was always more myth than reality, of course,
of course.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But it's a myth that many people brought into Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
So I don't see him as some kind of like
great political example to lead.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
My meaning, Joe is that proud of Republican primary candidates.
They've all sort of reacted to Barack Obama's tenure in
the White House, and they're pitching their position, and then
along comes Donald Trump, and in twenty fourteen, people say,
in America first candidates, it's not something that's going to happen,
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that the climate's not right, the people aren't right, the
public isn't right, and yet he came along, and here
we are.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
At I don't think people have a lot of the
people in the know did not have that impression. Sure,
he didn't come out of nowhere. He wasn't a surprise.
Eric Canter losing his when he was poised to become
the House Speaker and losing his primary in twenty fourteen
should have been the whistle, I mean, the screaming whistle
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to the Republican establishment that you are in big, big
trouble here. The base has had enough, and don't you
even try to give us another Bush or Rob And
what did they do? They tried to rig it for
Jeb Bush. I mean they made it easy for Donald Trump.
Donald Trump was the only person who came across as
an authentic human being, and that is pretty much all
(15:10):
you had to be in that twenty fifteen twenty sixteen
Republican field. So I don't I mean, looking back on it,
we can say, yeah, you know, it was surprising when
it first happened, but it all, it all makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I mean, I bet on Donald Trump to win the primary.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I was.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I was convinced that he was going to win despite
what everybody're saying, because I took the time to read
the actual polls and I went down below just the
top line stuff to look at, well, they're clearly overrepresenting
Democrats here, and obviously when that happens, you end up
with a skewed thing, which is why we was a
ninety Hillary Clinton had a ninety five percent chance of
(15:48):
winning the presidency. I was, I was not sold on
that idea from the start. But let's say that they
do try. The Democrats do try and run a centrist
candidate that their best candidate for that at the moment
appears to be Gavin Newsom, who is far from a centrist.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Right he is not, and he's going to have wiener
just hovering over him like an anchor, reminding the rest
of America of all these crazy policies that Newsom was
forced to literally sign his signature to while he was
governor of California. And so it is an ongoing problem.
And it's it's also being a progressive aid of being
(16:32):
this cultural radical. It's such a performative act. It's not
a coincidence that they're always you know, they look like
people on social media taking selfies. You know, these senators,
you know, doing these public protests against ice and getting
thrown out of press conferences, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's just that, that.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Is what you know, what's the point in being a
cultural radical if everybody doesn't know it? And so that
means that attention, now, attention is always going to be
thrown against them. And it's also it's so stale now.
The woke moment that was so big in the twenty teens,
especially in early twenty twenties, it's like disco. It's just
(17:15):
so bad. They like to present themselves as the fun ones,
and it now I think, really, your average typical American
really isn't conservative, right, isn't really lying to anything? What
is fun about being a progressive. What is fun about
open borders that allow all these criminals into our country,
raping women, committing all these crimes. What is fun about
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overdosing on fentanyl and a government approved homeless tent in Portland, Oregon?
What is fun about wearing a cap that says make
abortion great again? Like that actress Cynthia Nixon recently did,
or that singer I don't even know who she is.
You know who Lily Allen is.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's no idea. I'm a cultural relic.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
She made headlines by saying, you know, I've had so
many abortions. I don't know how many I've had, you know,
I think what's fun about that?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
This is the left? This is not fun.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
This is squalid. Squalid to me, I think it's the
perfect word from It's dreary, it's dark. It's not where
Americans are right now. And centrist Democrats are attached to this,
and like we've been talking about here, how do they
get away from it?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I don't have an answer. I don't I think get
away from it. I think your point about the humor
here is well taken because Donald Trump is he has
a sense of humor, and he has fun on the
world stage and on the domestic stage, and that comes
through in I guess we call it authenticity more than
anything else. Joe Schaeffer, thanks ever so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Thank you.
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Speaker 3 (19:34):
Oh Mark, it's so much fun. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Sir.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I've got the question for you. Is it too soon
to be talking about twenty twenty eight? Because this is
all that I'm Everybody in my acquaintance and friend group
and family they know how much I're obsessed over politics,
and they're all asking me what's going to happen in
twenty twenty eight, who's going to be running, who's on
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the Democrat side, who's on the Republicans, is it going
to be Jade Vans? And if so, who's going to
who's going to be his running mate? And so I
think about these things constantly, and I don't really have
a choice because fortunately I have a family that loves
discussing politics.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So that's a lucky break for you.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It really for me, it is, because you know, otherwise
I'd just be sat alone by myself talking on the
computer ray sair. But so I want to talk about
who are the lightly contenders for twenty twenty eight, what
kind of trials and tribulations are going to have, and
what kind of hoops they're going to have to jump
through depending on what happens between now and the run
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up to the twenty twenty eight election. And let's start,
if you don't mind, let's start with the what's happening
with the Democratic Party because as we talked about it
a couple of weeks ago, tim they appear to be
somewhat leaderless at the moment, which leaves a space and
someone might say, have a vacuum which is dragging powerful
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figures within the party, many with national name recognition, towards
the top spot. So give me your view from ten
thousand feet or thirty thousand feet with inflation.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I'd say the twenty twenty eight presidential election will be
typical in the sense that things will kick into high
gear the day after the midterm elections. Sure, right now,
there's so much focus on the midterms that you know,
who might be the standard bearer for the Democrats has
(21:44):
not even remotely been clarified. I mean, right now, there's
nobody essentially. I mean, Kamala Harris sounds like she's going
to run for governor of California, and she would be
wise to stay away from the present cidential race unless
she wants the same result as last time. You've got
(22:05):
your moderate governors such as Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania, Andy
Bisheer in Kentucky. These are relatively centrist Democrats. But there's
absolutely no clarity at all about where the Democrats might
have And it's pretty unusual to be I say this late.
(22:29):
It's only six months after Donald Trump took office. But
usually by now there are rumblings about certain individuals. There
haven't been such rumblings because a Democratic Party is in
such a shambles that it's all they can do just
to get from one week to the next with one
Trump victory after another. I mean, Trump is just running
(22:53):
circles around them, and there's nothing they can do, even
as their base demands that they do more to stop Trump.
Or they don't have control of anything. They don't have
the control of the Senate, the House, or the White House,
or there's very limited things that they can do. On
the Republican side, I think it's a little clearer, maybe
(23:16):
quite a bit clearer. I think it's a safe assumption
that JD. Vans will be in the running and probably
be the default front runner for twenty twenty eight. Some
of that will depend on what happens in the remainder
of the Trump presidency. But I think it's pretty clear
too that probably Marco Rubio has not gotten his presidential
(23:41):
ambitions out of his system, even though you know, Trump
played waste to him in twenty sixteen, but that was
a long time ago, and Rubio is still young, and
you would think that he would be you know, a
serious consideration now, whether you had some of the crossover
(24:03):
candidate like Atulci Gabbert who once ran for president as
a Democrat, would you even get Robert F. Kennedy Junior,
for example? I mean, I think all things are possible
here because as the Republicans have an open road ahead
of them, whereas a Democrat see nothing but roadblocks. But
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I think it's going to be very hard to bring
this into focus before we see what happens in the
twenty twenty six midterms, which are still, of course about
fifteen months away.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yes, you'd probably right that it is worth talking about
some issues that are not really going to go away.
And on the Democrats side here, it seems to me
that Josh Shapiro is I mean, he's the governor of
one of the most important swing states, not the most
important in terms of electoral college talent, and it's also
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one of the most evenly divided states between Republicans Democrats,
of course, with a large number of independence in there,
and a lot of people thought that he was going
to be the shoeing for Kamal Harris's running mate, and
I think it would have been a very different result,
maybe not a win for the Democrats if he had
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been Kamala Harris's running mates, but.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well he would have been at the very least he
would have been in the asset as opposed to the
liability that Tim walls became.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But the reason that he wasn't picked, and it flies
against all political logic unless you assume that he wasn't
picked because he's pro Israeli and a Jew.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I think it's it's unavoidable. It's an unavoidable conclusion considering
the state of the party where the far lap stands
in terms of a Maas versus Israel or Palestinians versus
is there is an incredible fear among the Democrats of
offending they're radical baits. So when you have twenty percent
(26:09):
of the country, or twenty percent even of your own
base that you're pandering to, the other eighty percent are
left out in the cold, and that's what happened in
them in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, that's not an issue that's going away, though, I think,
I mean certainly not. So here's my and this is
really just prognostication, which it probably shouldn't engage in. But
I think that Josh Shapiro would have a very good
chance of winning the presidency. But I think he has
almost zero chance of winning the Democratic primary, just because,
(26:49):
as you point out, there are a lot of people
and this isn't going away, well, especially not while the
war continues over there, who say, well, he's in favor
of Israel, therefore he supports genocide of the Palestinian people.
Can you have a supporter of genocide heading up the party?
And now who's going to be saying that, Well, it's
(27:10):
the loudest voices in the party. And we know the
names that the Justice Democrats, right, your aofc's your Premier, Jiapals,
you're Bernie sad As to some extent as well, And
they're going to be hammering that message home because they're
not losing their power. They're in very, very safe positions,
and they're going to still be making the noise going
(27:31):
into the races. So yeah, I don't think. I think
Josh Sapiro might have a very very difficult time getting
to the top of that ticket.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, I remember in twenty sixteen when John Kasik rinn
against Donald Trump. He was one of like ten or
twelve competitors against Trump, and he kept making the claim, well, look,
i may not be able to win the Republican nomination,
but I'm definitely a better candidate and the general election
(28:01):
that Trump is, so that therefore you should support me.
But I think it's a bridge too far to say
if you can't even satisfy your own party that you
can win the presidency. Although I would agree that Shapiro
would be a relatively attracted general election candidate. There's no
question about it. He's popular among Republicans, Democrats, and independence
(28:25):
in Pennsylvania, with an approval rating hovering around sixty percent.
That's impressive.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's as Donald Rumsfel said, that's not nothing. That's not nothing.
That's a known, it's a no known. We're going to
be back after this show break. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
For your freedom and your liberty. Liberty Nation with Mark Angelites.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Andrewbacca oliutin Nation Right Coast on the radi America Network,
with continuing our conversation with longtime hosts of this radio
show and Libitty Nations senior political analyst Tim donnod Tim.
Earlier in the show, we were talking about Josh Shapiro's
Pennsylvania governors, Josh Shpiers potential run for the White House,
his possibilities, it's some issues he might face, and I
(29:16):
think that brings us nicely on to another potential Democrat
candidate for twenty eight being Andy Thesher of Kentucky. Now
he has the advantage of being a Democrat in a
very deep red state, and so he's learned to navigate
between the parties, or he has a foot in both worlds.
(29:39):
As the movie says, what's your take on mister Micheap
Governor vishare Well.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I think if you look at his presence in the
media in recent weeks or more generally since the election,
he's starting to come out and make statements. He's starting
to attack Drum, He's starting to take stands against the
Trump administration. He starties being more critical. So at the
(30:10):
very least, it seems that Andy Basheer is keeping a
lot his name in the media and his potential to
run for the White House. I think smart Democrats will
go to him and say please run, because I would
think even the far left, the AOC's and Bernie Sanders,
(30:34):
would appreciate the fact that even though he's way to
the right of them, because nobody could be further to
the left than the squad, that if he can win,
they will rally around him. I mean, that's what a
political party is for, to rally around a single person,
even though he's not going to satisfy everybody, or sometimes
(30:55):
even to anybody, but you know, he can take a
position that is popular directly with the American people. I
think that Bashir would be wise to consider this because
he could potentially be the Bill Clinton of twenty twenty
eight with the Jimmy Carter. I hesitate to say that,
(31:17):
because you, of course Carter was a failed presidency, But
the point is that Carter and Clinton murguise that brought
the party back to sanity, back to the center. So
I'd be surprised, honestly, Mark, if any Bashir didn't make
a run at it. But I say that without knowing
(31:39):
his own personal ambitions, because running for president is an
enormously complicated, exhausting, and expensive proposition. It's a nation wide campaign,
which is very different than campaigning in one state like Kentucky.
So I don't know what's in his head, but on paper,
he stands along with Shapiro as the two most attractive candidates,
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with a possible exception of Gretchen Whitberg from Michigan, who
has sort of worked the center pretty well. She's appeared
with Trump when he went to Michigan, and she's trying
to sound more more sort of centrist these days, and
I think it's pretty clear she's she's got a presidential
(32:25):
and ambitions based on based on her statements and her appearances,
her activity.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I think she will be suffering from that. Obviously, we
will remember the photo of Michael Chicakis would be the
oversized helmet on his head that I mean that sunk
his career essentially. But there's Gretchen Witman trying to hide
behind a folder. She's covering her face with it in
(32:52):
a room full of reporters.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But I have to say, though, Mark, I actually I
kind of I believe it or not. I can't buy
her explanation that she was having fun with it, like, oh,
I can't be seen by other Democrats in the White House,
because come on, you claim it, right, nobody's gonna know
she's there. I mean, and she's breaking a point of
(33:15):
doing it so that she can get some the tension
and sort of playfully act like, oh, I can't be
seen with Donald Trump. I actually believe it or not, Mark,
I believe her.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
All right, Let's just quickly tell something else about Andy
Bashers that he was in South Carolina recently as well
as was another candidate we made to a potential Candida.
I mean to talk about Gavin Newsom and and there's
it's almost become the pilgrimage now, the visits to South
Carolina to get the blessings. And I wonder if you
(33:50):
could said someone. So it seems to me that presidential
candidates they want to go to South Carolina and get
the blessing of Jim Clyburn, represents Jim Clyburn as if
he has the power to anoint the successor to Joe
Biden and every other Democratic president he's now occupying. For
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some reason, this is almost mythological space that for a
long time Al Sharpton, well known rifter Al Sharpton and
somebody who can't spell the word respect Al Sharpton.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I thought I thought it was respect.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You not they say that three times the Al Sharpton anyway,
that's for those who have watched mister Reverend Sharpton's career.
So now they seem to be doing the same way.
So it used to be the go to Al Sharpton
and get his blessing before launching the presidential bids. Now
they seems to be going to South Carolina and Jim Clyburn.
And I'm not convinced that that's really a worthwhile thing.
(34:52):
It's symbolic but without any actual practical value, or do
I have that wrong?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Well, I think what's happened is that the Democrats and
even to some extent the Republicans, over these last several
cycles have found that Iowa and New Hampshire are not
as important as they thought. Joe Biden cut, cut, clobberd
in both places in twenty twenty, and then he went
(35:17):
to South Carolina and his campaign revot. Of course, it
was helpful that the Democratic Party essentially shoved every other
centrist candidate out the door and said get lost. Biden's
our guy. So in that sense, what happened recently is
what people usually take to be the new normal, which
(35:40):
is that if you go to South Carolina, you appeal
to the black audience there, which is a precursor to
winning the black vote in the general election. That's the
most important primer, because if you win that, you take
the momentum into Super Tuesday, which usually has anywhere from
ten to fifteen different Marys. And you know the problem
(36:03):
is that, you know, Joe Biden, for whatever reason, was
pretty popular among black Americans when he was elected not
so much after he was elected. But I don't see
any of these candidates that we discussed, from Gavin Newsom
to Andy Basher to Josh Shapiro to Gretchen Whitmer, I
(36:26):
don't see any of them having a particular appeal to
black people, and so I guess because of that, they
want to go to South Carolina to say that they're
a friend of the black man and the black woman,
unlike these other pretenders to the throne.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's almost the trope, isn't it. It's like I can't
be a racist because I have a black friend. His
name is Jim Clyburn of South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
No, one of my best friends are black, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
But people seem together. You know, America doesn't have kings,
and Jim Clyburn is not the King of South Carolina,
much as he may wish it.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
I for sure, I for one, was very grateful for
the No Kings movement and the Democrats, because up to
that point I thought that we did have kings. I know,
they helped set the record straight. I was very helpful.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
But we can say it was the most successful protest
movement in the history of the nation because they set
out on day one and said no Kings, and then
the next day there were no Kings. It was we
had no King.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
They were successful political movements of all time, bar.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Just finally tim to wrap up. We've we've devoted a
lot of attension to the Democrats. We only briefly touched
on the Republicans. I want to make and it's not
a prediction, but it's something to watch. Is I suspect
that whoever claims the Republican nomination in in twenty eight
(38:03):
will have on their ticket Byron Donald's.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I think it makes a lot of sense because it
plays into the growing support for Trump at least, if
not the Republican Party. Byron Donald's is a real guy.
I mean, he's a very He's a guy you would
love to sit and have a beer with. And I
know that because I've had friends that did sit down
(38:30):
and have a beer with him, and he's very personable.
And it plays into the Republican attempt to steal the
black vote, along with the Hispanic vote, away from the Democrats,
and right now I think they're still headed in that direction.
The Democrats have done almost nothing to appeal to Black
(38:51):
Americans since Donald Trump was elected. They're aware of it,
and I think this idea of reflexibly and automatically pulling
the lever with a guy with a D next to
his name maybe coming to an end among black Americas.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Let's see what happens. It's a couple of years out,
but Tim, thanks ever so much for joining us. Really
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
A lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Mark, thanks, And that is just about all we have
time for on this week's edition of Liberty Nation Radio
Coast Coast on the Radio American Network. I've been your host,
Mark Angelidis like to thank our guests for today, Liberty
Nation's enterprise reporter Joe Schaeffer and longtime host of this
here radio show, mister Tim Donner, And of course thank
you the listeners at home to take the time each
week to tune in and join us. You are appreciated.
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