March 13, 2024 • 38 mins
MapableUSA;com: What does Regulation A crowdfunding, SPACs, OTC listings, Investment Portals, going public, stock, warrants, and expert marketing all have in common? Water! And specifically “Water on Demand”. On this podcast, Origin Clear’s CEO Riggs Eckelberry goes over how his “Philanthro Investing” is providing some very interesting investment deals all built around a product that everyone needs every single day just to survive.
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Welcome to the Navable USA podcast.There we put you on the map,
which is rom Costa broadcasting live fromthe Mappable USA studios in Las Vegas,
Nevada. And post crowdfunding is exploringall over place in all kinds of industries.
And today we're going to talk aboutwater again. And before we do
that, let's introduce Vicky Hamala fromthe World Tucker Market. VICKI, how
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are you doing today? Oh Ron? It's a beautiful day in Vegas and
I am fabulous and we are excitedbecause we've got somebody that we did a
podcast with and now we're going totalk about how fundraising a crowds crowd funding
and using it has helped to totallyexpand his business into a major success.
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So let's get started. Okay,that sounds good. So let's introduce Riggs
Eckilberry. He's the CEO and cofounder of Origin Queer and Rigs. How
are you doing today? I'm doingfabulously and in fact, I'm looking forward
to getting one last week of skiingnext week next week before the season closes
it down for us. You know, when you're in Florida, you got
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to really really plan these ski shriftsbecause they don't happen automatically. You know
what I'm saying. No, well, for second, there, for second,
there, I go through ECMO,you're skiing in Florida. That wouldn't
be too cool. I wouldn't thinkthat would happen, well be water skiing.
But you know what, I've whatI've learned to do over the years
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because I love skiing, is towork while I skiing, and I think
it makes me smarter. In fact, I was literally standing being on a
slope on the fifteenth of February afew weeks ago with my co director Ryan
Spick while we were in the lastseconds of the filing of our merger agreement.
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Of our merger filing it's called Sfour with the sec to put the
company we have created what on Demandonto the masdak to an acquisition by a
blank check company. And and itwas I looked around. I'm like,
you know what, here I amin fairyland and I'm doing a financial transaction.
How could it be any better?Oh my god? How wonderful?
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Oh wow? Yeah, yeah,that is really amazing. And I guess
I guess we could talk about that. But before we do, let's let's
get into you a little bit.Tell us a little bit about your background
and how you got into this wholecross bunning scene with origin clear Well,
you know, I was raised reallywithout a home. My father was itinerant
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procter and gamble exec so we livedall over the place, the Caribbean and
Europe, and I think I broughta kind of an inter national view to
things. Then after high school,I was in the online I'm sorry,
in the nonprofit space for a longtime, and that I think really informed
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my sense of wanting to do somethingabout the way things are in the world.
And I got a chance to dosomething about that when I got involved
in technology in the eighties, andyou know, I back in the eighties
we were doing great work, butwe were very badly capitalized. In the
nineties is when I really learned howcorporations work. Got involved with the dot
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com, had some good exits.Most importantly, learned a lot about the
funding process, and nearly two thousandstook a company public on the Nasdaq as
a number two in the software space, and then got it up community to
have my own company. There's beenso many changes n in how funding is
done. Probably the most important one, as you mentioned, isn't It was
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called the Jobs Act, which strangelyenough was passed by a Democrat administration.
But it was a revolution. Itwas twenty twelve, so twelve years ago
that it was rolled back financial regulationto enable everyday companies to raise money and
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go public pretty much on a bootstrapbasis. Yeah, yeah, you're making
me feel old. That's twelve years. That went real fast, didn't it.
It did. But you know,the funny thing is that the crowdfunding
space is only now becoming mature.One of the big big players, probably
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the biggest player in the space,start Engine, has had some big successes
companies like Boxable night Scope with aK they both raise over famillion dollars and
tent It got onto the NASDAC purelywith regulation a croft funding in other words,
getting loss of small investors, whichto me, I think is the
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ideal. We raise a lot ofmoney from big investors, but I think
it's it's healthier, just like apolitical campaign, to have a lot of
smaller investors, and that's what arethat's what we prefer to do well.
And you know one thing that itdid, it allowed people with out of
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the box ideas like yourself and likeBillie from night Scope, to do to
create things that help society and makeit profitable and find the investors they need
that have a like mindset. AndI think that was a good thing from
it as well. Yes, Andin fact, I was told recently by
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a banker over at the Hutton thatthere's really only two ways you can go
public these days, and one isthe way we're doing it with this blank
check company. That's a whole differentstory that you don't get into, but
basically you get acquired by company that'salready on an attack who's sole purposes to
acquire companies, or due to thecrowdfunding the other ways you know, regular
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you know, doing rounds A twoG with the seas and so forth.
That's that's a long, long hauland does not work well. And I
also do not recommend people sort oforganically filing themselves onto the penny stock market
without a whole lot of support becausethe the OTC I don't think it is
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a great market anymore. So Irecommend, I recommend that people where possible
to go. I mean, we'vebeen we've been lot seasons two thousand and
seven, so we were kind ofused to it, but I wouldn't do
it again today. I would.I would work directly, going to the
nazakas as the only way to goright, especially when you can get non
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accredited investors to work with you aswell, so that it's not just the
guys with the big money that you'rerelying on. It's the people who are
going to actually use the product thatyou're developing, that will support you and
tell everybody they know about you.That's a huge piece of it. I
agree. Huge. So what's goingon now? What can you tell us
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about what origin clear and how theyare using the crowdfunding space to help them.
What are you doing at this pointin time? Okay, so just
to back up a little bit,we prior to twenty fifteen, we had
a pure technology approach where we werepushing a breakthrough technology developed by me brother
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Nicholas, co founder, and ingeneral we found it in the water industry,
it's very hard to push new technology. It's not a technology friendly sector,
mainly I guess because of concerns aboutpublic health or whatever. But the
point is did not early adopters,and so we kind of did a pivot
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where we worked more on the businessmodel of the water industry, and at
the time there was a shift occurringwhich has now become really obvious, which
is a shift away from centralized watertreatment toward you know, treat in place
the businesses doing their own water treatment, taking responsibility for the toxic way and
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ultimately able to recycle, which wethink is critical to save the planet,
is recycling water. So we movedinto that business model. We acquired one
company, Progressive Water, and thenwe created another called Module Water, and
then in twenty twenty we created athird company, and then in twenty twenty
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three we packaged all three of thoseinto under the banner of Water on Demand
to be acquired by this special purposeAcquisition company or SPAC and that what we've
done this whole time is develop away to get this concept over to everyday
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investors. And what made it workwas we weren't just asking for money to
support our burn, but we werealso raising capital for the water on demand
concept, which is basically a wateras a service idea. So we were
building a fund and that appealed.So we have a high appeal offering for
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a credit investors, which is greatnow having done that and it's working well,
and we're getting a lot of investorsin. But I consider the marketing
to be very wasteful because even highlytargeted marketing, you're still getting about sixty
percent on a credited investors in yourfunnel, and what do you do with
them? Or you're wasting them.So the better way to do it is
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to create an offering using regulation Awhere anybody can invest in. The minimum
is very low and they get sharedthey get common shares in the company plus
maybe an option to buy another share. So very simple offer. Anybody can
come in, You mass market itand then that creates investment. But more
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importantly, the people coming through acertain percentage will be accredited, and then
you can offer them that fund,that that capital opportunity UH you know as
an upsell. And so it's ahybrid. It's a hybrid of of the
wide marketing, which is you knowwhy we recently UH recruited Kevin Harrington to
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help us, because you want alot of visibility, very high profile,
get a lot of people in UH, and then a certain percentage will be
promoted to the larger investment. Andso it's a good combination and basically it
pays for all. It pays forall your marketing, you know, and
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and and more. I mean,it's it's very very good from a point
of view of return on investment.It's really really excellent to have that combination.
Well, tell our listeners to whoKevin Harrington is in case they don't
know, and why it was sosuch a good why it was so good.
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Kevin embarrassing me because he's still allhis hair. He's been in he's
been in the industry for for morethan fifty years. He must have started
the age of five, I guess. But he's so he's he looks ridiculously
young. And he actually invented theinfomercial. He invented the scene on TV
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label that we all know. Hehe was one of the original Sharks and
Shark Tank and he continues to advisecompanies. He had a big success,
for example with Celsius, which isa is a sugar free energy drink and
made it a national brand. Nowit's in distribution of supermarkets and so on.
So he's he's very effective. He'sgot a great following. I think
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one of the keys to success isthat he's very wise about what he supports.
You know, he's not just hewon't just to support you just because
you pay him. I think youhave to convince him that you got something
good. And so he's got integrity, he's got an integrity brand. And
so we sign him up as ontoour board of advisors to help with the
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crowdfunding that we're about to launch.And and so that I think you've got
to have that visibility because you know, a regulation, a offering that trades
by appointment only is a waste ofsign and money. So you want to
have that high profile and he certainlybrings it. And plus he brings a
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sense of credit, well credibility.But to people who don't know about origin,
clear would automatically consider it just becauseof his presence exactly. So you
know, it's not it's like whenyou when you're the son of a well
known banker. Uh, it'll getyou in the door. You still have
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to prove yourself and that's true ofus too, But at least it gives
people a point of recognition like,oh, well, Kevin's involved. That
got to mean something. It givesus a chance to make our case.
So listen, getting back to thereggae part of this, now, let's
talk about how you how you kindof did that, did you you know,
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did you have a lawyer or youput the paperwork into the SEC.
What is that? Well, themain thing is you want to get a
platform or portal, as they say, the one we use is the one
operated by my good friend Rod Turnerover at manhas Street Capital, and they
will provide all the machinery for youknow, you've got to do you know,
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background checks, you know, moneylaundering, that kind of stuff.
You have to verify people, andthey did they have that that process built,
so they hosted. They they willnot do the marketing. They will
recommend it a marketing agency if that'swhat you need, and then they will
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bring in broker to help with theactual you have to have a broker transfer
agent. And of course we useour own SEC council for the regulation,
a filing, the actual registration statement. So all those resources add up.
You know, you see, youknow you kind of have to have money
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as usually you have to have moneyto make money, right, so I
would say you probably should have shareLet's say I had one thousand dollars between
lawyers, platform expenses and also theinitial marketing to get things going. That's
something you get a lot of companyneeds forget to do that, you need
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to market and let people know whoyou are and what you have and why
what you're doing is better before youstart the process and spend the money so
that you don't have to do itlater and backtrack years. Very expect.
When I was the software industry formany years, I specialized in working with
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companies that had spent all their moneyto create a wonderful product, but hadn't
bothered to get it well known andaccept it. That's a that's a critical
part. What's the point of creatinga product if nobody comes exactly and it
costs a lot of money to getit done? Mm hmm. Yeah.
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And I noticed that when I goto your website origin clear dot com,
there is a button there that saysinvest now, right did you guys?
Is that part of the private labelingthat you guys did ron? Don't press
that button? What are you doing? No? No, don't that's a
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nuclear bomb. Oh my gosh,you're taking off right now. But anyway,
No, but that is currently it'sour regulation B or raising D offerings
are for a credit investors, soright now, that's for our pure credit
investment. Right now, we're intest the waters on the regulation of any
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meaning that we don't yet have itfiled or approved with the SEC. That
process is going on, but you'reallowed while you're doing that to put out
to get to find out if peopleare interested. You can put up a
page and get you know, reservationsfrom people, and you can't take their
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money, but at least it givesyou an idea of what's going on.
And so we're about to launch thatand integrate it with the regulation of the
offering. Okay, Yeah, Sothe testing the water is if I go
on there as a potential investor,I'm going to add my name to that
and say, well, I'm gonnapledge to invest live grand or whatever it
is. But but no money istaken from me at that point. It's
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just kind of like a promise sothat when this reggae becomes effective and then
all of a sudden, I guessyou guys contact me again and say,
hey, wrong, we're ready togo. Is that is that the way
it works? Yeah, And youhad no obligation. It's kind of like
a deposit of the car car dealership. It's it's just a good faith deposit
and you won't. There's no obligation, but what it allows us to do
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is to get some momentum going withand to test out messaging and so forth.
Advertising where we made a decision acouple of years ago to take all
of our Facebook advertising in house andinvest in house capability, and I think
it's paid off so that we havea very sophisticated, you know, advertising
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funnel on Facebook, which you know, people can criticize Facebook all they want,
but their targeting is amazing and youreally know who you're talking to on
that on that platform. That's true, right, right. I wish I
wish I wasn't. I wish Iwas as popular in real life as I
am on Facebook. That would bea great thing. That's sunny. Yeah.
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So so you have a number ofofferings out there. Then you have
the would you just talked about,You have the reggae coming up, right,
you have a an OTC listing.I mean, it's it's incredible how
far you've come. And really,what we talked about before the podcast not
a short period of time, right, it couldn't happen. It's been more
than a decade that we've been atit, and you know, it's you
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don't build companies overnight. I mean, that's that's the truth of it.
The I think the most important thingis that we've constantly, uh looked to
adapt to what worked, and youknow what you might call broken field running,
and you've got to constantly do that, not just in your marketing,
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but your fundamental strategy and go,you know what, this isn't working.
We've got to try something else andif if and of course it takes it
takes an appetite for risk, butit also takes a certain amount of judgment.
I think that my incredibly diverse careerbackground, uh. You know,
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although it has not made me asrich as as the founder of Facebook,
it certainly has given me the theexperience to make decisions and to come up
with it with bright ideas, especiallyworking with the team like Ken Berenger who
co created Well on the Land withme, a Jpkas who's our VP marketing,
A stellar team uh working with me. Yeah. And I'm sure along
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the lines you've taken the hits,you've learned and not everything is easy.
Do you think that that's one ofthe reasons why a lot of these business
owners are maybe afraid to get intothe reg eggas they're afraid of the process,
they're afraid of failing, afraid ofnot knowing how it works when they
see people like yourselves doing it allthe time. And this is something I
think every business should be at leastbe looking into if they're right, if
they want to raise money. Right, But I think there's a fear factor
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there, or maybe they don't getmuch information or they're not knowledgeable enough.
What do you think about that,Well, it's always very hard to do
something for the first time, right, Remember when I first became a ship
captain. Before I was a shipcaptain, I was not, and then
I was, And nothing is preparedme for that experience. Like all of
a sudden, you're in charge.You're it. They were looking at you,
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right, But to the extent possible, you want to apprentice, You
want to try things out. Youwant to if you can't get the experience
yourself, see if you can buythe experience. If people can, they
should try and affiliate with start Engine, which is a great platform. But
start Engine is also very selective andthey don't take just everybody, and they
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also want to have you exclusively,which is why we didn't go with them
originally. When we first did ourfirst reggae back in twenty twenty, and
so I think choice of platform isvery important, figuring out how someone else
has done it well, it isvery important, getting a good marketing partner.
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These are all critical. So Ithink the important thing is to start
with, well, look at lookat people are doing it well. For
example, you know the big skierand I'm watching a company called Renown r
E N O U N which hasa line of skis. In fact,
I bought a pair and now they'redoing regulation a and it's worth looking at.
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You know why it's going well forthem? Well, for one thing,
they already had an existing Facebook basedmerchandising business, so they were already
selling product and they were able toleverage that into the fundraising. So I
think one way to go is tois to have a business, an online
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business that you can then you know, you can use the momentum of that
business to get you into fundraising exactly. And well, you know, part
say, if you have a ifyou have a great product or a great
company and it's just amazing to youand a business owner thinks that he's gone
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and he's done everything great, itreally won't matter unless you get the worry
out to people and make it attractivefor investors, which of course is the
goal of marketing. And people thinkit's easy like oh yeah, I don't
do it, no problem, butthey don't realize that there's a special talent
there. You've got to be reallyreally good about it. Then I think
you're handling it the right way.You really you're targeting, hoping the way
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it's supposed to be done, andthat's very impressive. Well, the real
gold is your customers, right,They are your potential investors as well,
and so if you look at abusiness that you've been building, if you've
managed to create a lot of customerloyalty, then those same people will turn
around and put a small amount ofmoney into the investment and that'll be your
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jumpstart. So I think that's reallyvery powerful way to go in my opinion.
Yeah, and these are eves.If you turn your customers into evangelists,
they're the ones that are become yoursalesforce ones when you think about it,
percent Yeah, have you have youever contemplated using tokens in blockchain to
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raise money? Uh? I hada big blockchain experiment back in well,
Wow, twenty eighteen. Like yousay, Ron passes a time right six
years ago. It was very difficultbecause the underlying business case for crypto has
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to be there unless you're going todo a mean coin, which I could
care last night somebody else would dothat crap, But if you want to
establish a genuine business case. Weare in development on a blockchain wrapper for
the dividends we intend to pay downthe road on what on demand, but
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that's that's still in the lab.We're interested. At the same time,
we're well aware that the SEC didnot love crypto, and so when you're
a public enity, you want tobe aware of what the SEC likes and
doesn't like. Yeah, it makessense, it makes sense for sure.
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I want to get those people onyour back. But O, listen,
before we close this out, Ido want to touch upon the fact.
Getting back from marketing, I guess, uh, you do something really smart
that a lot of people should bedoing. And I think one of the
one thing I really like about whatyou're doing is is you have those like
CEO talks. Right, don't youhave a CEO page where people can go
and you do weekly updates and thingslike that. Yes, So if people
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go to origin clear dot com andclick on CEO. Well, they'll get
an invitation right away to sign upfor my weekly CEO briefings every Thursday night.
I think I've done almost two hundredand thirty of these so far.
And you get you We tell itlike it is, and initially I'm on
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screen, and then we do abunch of news about the company, about
the economy, et cetera. Butthen we get the team on and three
topics thats the company get together anddiscussing. It's very very informative for investors
because it's rare that public companies havethat level of disclosure. But people want
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to know what they're investing in,and they want to hear it from the
person that's taking their money, notyou know, from just anybody. It
makes a whole lot of difference interms of your credibility when you take the
time to tell the people this iswhy you should invest with me, this
is what we're doing, because you'rethe one with the passion. Well,
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and if they feel it right,I mean, people know, and then
this is why I think it's soimportant to to talk to your audience.
You know. Yeah, the onlythe only downside I see of your CEO
briefings is that you haven't done onefrom the ski slopes yet. I've never
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seen it. Oh, you aretempting me, would be good? You
better hurry up before it, melf, you know. Maybe, Well go
on, Vick. Well, whatI was going to say is, now
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that we've talked about how you've goneabout creating your business, maybe we should
let our listeners get an idea ofwhat your business is. What does Origin
Clear do? Origin Clear launches companiesthat are intended to disrupt their sector.
Right now, we're focused on thewater industry. And what we did was,
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for the last seven years, we'vebuilt three businesses that we then consolidated
into one in twenty twenty three tocreate enough value that it would have an
objective valuation sufficient to be acquired bya company that was specifically created to acquire
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companies. And this is their callSPACKS special purpose acquisition corporation or company.
And they have a bunch of cash, but they have no operations. And
this whole purpose is to buy companies, and there's a lot of them out
there, and what's weird is thatthey generally have a very hard time finding
companies to buy. I don't knowif if I had a bunch, if
I had a hand million dollars,I think I would know how to buy
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a company. I don't know whatit seems that relatively, you know,
like okay, I got some cashyou want to sell, you know,
okay. So but for some reason, there's a glut of these SPACs and
we managed to get involved with onethat you know was a good fit.
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And so that is our first majorexit that were the uh negotiating right now,
we've negotiated it. It's already donedeal as far as the business combination
goes. But of course we haveto get a SEC approval, nas dec
approval, and that's that's by nomeans guaranteed. But but the point is
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is that we've become very very goodat raising money from everyday investors. That's
kind of our super power we are. We know how to do it,
We know how to make it worththeir while. We treat them well.
Our investor is autistic with us,will will be well rewarded. And so
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what we plan to do now isobviously we're going to continue to support water
demands it as it goes on tothe NASDAQ and and gets built out.
But we're then going to take somemore companies and put them to the Origin
Clear company development funnel, right,incubation, call it what you will.
That we've now developed so we knowhow to create companies and then we know
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how to get them funded and ultimatelyget them in the NASDAK. So that
really is our mission is to youknow, a number of public companies.
I just saw this stat has leastten years or so, has dropped by
half. In other words, it'sbeen a tremendous reduction the number of public
companies out there, and that's becauseit's just hard. It's hard to govern
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them. It's hard to do,you know, to do the right thing.
Well, we know how to dothat. We've hit the bullet.
We have the competency, and wealso know how to you know, manage
our expectations. What's great, inmy opinion is the Origin Clear itself is
still a penny stock while it isgoing to be the largest single owner I
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believe of a NAZDAC company, Soit's going to have some I think,
some tremendous future potential. So I'mpersonally holding onto my stock because I think
it's got potent. So obviously I'mnot making a recommendation, but the fact
that origin clear is the penny stockI think, you know, might put
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off some people, but I alsosee it as an opportunity to get involved
early on in a company that wethink is going to be legendary. Oh
I think anybody who listening to thispodcast has kind of assume that as well.
Then you definitely know what you're doingand everything. And now, just
to be clearly, I can goto OTC markets right now and purchase your
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stock, but your REGA is stillin development. That's is that right?
So the regulation A offering is fora private subsidiary with public company. I'm
sorry, no, no, no, no, the rules got changed.
You can actually get public company stock. So the regulation A offering enables you
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to get a small bonus. Forexample, right now, if I go
to Yahoo Finance or schwab, Ican buy stock and OCLN and I'll get
it. Let's save a penny.I get a share for a penny.
Fine, But if I buy itthrough regulation A, I'll get that same
share for a penny, but I'llalso get a warrant so that I can
buy another share over the next threeyears for a penny, and it goes
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like ten cents, then I've hadan opportunity to get a second swing at
the back, so it has youknow, theoretically, it's more potential right
now that those shares ultimately are publicpublicly traded, their commons talk eventually just
like regular CLN shares. Okay,that's that's good. So then now,
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if somebody's listening to this podcast interestedin getting more information or finding out,
oh you know, how this isdone, how would they get in touch
with you? What's what's the bestway to contact you? Or any other
any other links you may want toleave. Well, of course I strongly
recommend joining us for our CEO briefings. You can post comments that we will
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answer on the air, So ifyou have questions, that's the easiest way
to get them addressed. If you'reinterested in investing, of course, click
on the investment now button or sendingan email to invest at origincred dot com
right now, of course it's creditinvestors, But very very shortly, even
if you put in your name innow, you will be put into a
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wait list for the crowdfunding. SoI recommend, you know, putting your
name in and you'll hear more fromus. I think those are the two
big ways to do it. Islike I said, the briefing and the
investment on button. Yeah, well, I think water is pretty important for
that for the planet, aren't you. I think that's pretty pretty solid.
That's never going to go away.Well, here's the thing, ron is
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that you know, every commodity outthere is that it's becoming a commodity world.
But they're all manipulated. Gold,precious metals, bitcoin, oil and
gas. They are all manipulated commoditiessome nature of assets these days, even
real estate, forget our commercial realestate. I mean, I don't think
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I could come close to that.But the point I'm making is water is
still early in its run as aninvestable asset, and it is it is
not as manipulated. It's not manipulatedat all because it's still very early and
water, as you say, isvery very stable in terms of demand.
It's not going to go up anddown. Yeah, and it's versatile too.
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Because I drank water in the formof beer last night. So you
know, it's very important to drinkyou know, water to form of beer
because you know that you're not goingto get bacteria from that because it's been
cleansed by the fermentation process. Thismorning, I've had water in the form
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of coffee, so everything is isgood. Vicky, you want to close
this out and you've got any otherquestions or comments between sin Off, Well,
I love you know. You knowRon, We've done so many podcasts
and we've had so many great guestson them. But one thing that is
so I don't know, amazing tome is we tend to pick the guests
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for our podcasts who are exceptional.Like Riggs started off, didn't know,
learned and now has all kinds ofyou. Obviously he's got Origin Clear,
but Origin Clear has so many subsidiariesdoing various aspects of water recycling and cleaning
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the water. But it all comesdown to doing what's right, doing it
with integrity, changing the world andhaving an impact so that people listening to
this podcast not only is it informativeand yeah, you know this is great,
(37:00):
but you have the opportunity by investingwith Riggs to change the world and
impact society, and that's that's justfabulous. Kudos kudos to you are being
able to do that, Rigs.It's wonderful. Well, we love doing
it. It's what gets us upin the morning, and we think we're
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creating a movement to enable water recycling. Do you realize that if an industry
and agriculture just increases recycling from thecurrent levels to fifteen percent, we will
double the amount of fresh water availablefor residential use. And that is a
super important cause and all of itoutstanding. Yeah, well, that's that's
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definitely a good goal. So,so Riggs, thanks a lot for being
a guest from the show. Reallyappreciate you taking a time out. Vicky,
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Immigrate to Everyone,
Welcome to the Navable USA podcast.There we put you on the map,
which is rom Costa broadcasting live fromthe Mappable USA studios in Las Vegas,
Nevada. And post crowdfunding is exploringall over place in all kinds of industries.
And today we're going to talk aboutwater again. And before we do
that, let's introduce Vicky Hamala fromthe World Tucker Market. VICKI, how
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are you doing today? Oh Ron? It's a beautiful day in Vegas and
I am fabulous and we are excitedbecause we've got somebody that we did a
podcast with and now we're going totalk about how fundraising a crowds crowd funding
and using it has helped to totallyexpand his business into a major success.
(01:07):
So let's get started. Okay,that sounds good. So let's introduce Riggs
Eckilberry. He's the CEO and cofounder of Origin Queer and Rigs. How
are you doing today? I'm doingfabulously and in fact, I'm looking forward
to getting one last week of skiingnext week next week before the season closes
it down for us. You know, when you're in Florida, you got
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to really really plan these ski shriftsbecause they don't happen automatically. You know
what I'm saying. No, well, for second, there, for second,
there, I go through ECMO,you're skiing in Florida. That wouldn't
be too cool. I wouldn't thinkthat would happen, well be water skiing.
But you know what, I've whatI've learned to do over the years
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because I love skiing, is towork while I skiing, and I think
it makes me smarter. In fact, I was literally standing being on a
slope on the fifteenth of February afew weeks ago with my co director Ryan
Spick while we were in the lastseconds of the filing of our merger agreement.
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Of our merger filing it's called Sfour with the sec to put the
company we have created what on Demandonto the masdak to an acquisition by a
blank check company. And and itwas I looked around. I'm like,
you know what, here I amin fairyland and I'm doing a financial transaction.
How could it be any better?Oh my god? How wonderful?
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Oh wow? Yeah, yeah,that is really amazing. And I guess
I guess we could talk about that. But before we do, let's let's
get into you a little bit.Tell us a little bit about your background
and how you got into this wholecross bunning scene with origin clear Well,
you know, I was raised reallywithout a home. My father was itinerant
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procter and gamble exec so we livedall over the place, the Caribbean and
Europe, and I think I broughta kind of an inter national view to
things. Then after high school,I was in the online I'm sorry,
in the nonprofit space for a longtime, and that I think really informed
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my sense of wanting to do somethingabout the way things are in the world.
And I got a chance to dosomething about that when I got involved
in technology in the eighties, andyou know, I back in the eighties
we were doing great work, butwe were very badly capitalized. In the
nineties is when I really learned howcorporations work. Got involved with the dot
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com, had some good exits.Most importantly, learned a lot about the
funding process, and nearly two thousandstook a company public on the Nasdaq as
a number two in the software space, and then got it up community to
have my own company. There's beenso many changes n in how funding is
done. Probably the most important one, as you mentioned, isn't It was
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called the Jobs Act, which strangelyenough was passed by a Democrat administration.
But it was a revolution. Itwas twenty twelve, so twelve years ago
that it was rolled back financial regulationto enable everyday companies to raise money and
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go public pretty much on a bootstrapbasis. Yeah, yeah, you're making
me feel old. That's twelve years. That went real fast, didn't it.
It did. But you know,the funny thing is that the crowdfunding
space is only now becoming mature.One of the big big players, probably
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the biggest player in the space,start Engine, has had some big successes
companies like Boxable night Scope with aK they both raise over famillion dollars and
tent It got onto the NASDAC purelywith regulation a croft funding in other words,
getting loss of small investors, whichto me, I think is the
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ideal. We raise a lot ofmoney from big investors, but I think
it's it's healthier, just like apolitical campaign, to have a lot of
smaller investors, and that's what arethat's what we prefer to do well.
And you know one thing that itdid, it allowed people with out of
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the box ideas like yourself and likeBillie from night Scope, to do to
create things that help society and makeit profitable and find the investors they need
that have a like mindset. AndI think that was a good thing from
it as well. Yes, Andin fact, I was told recently by
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a banker over at the Hutton thatthere's really only two ways you can go
public these days, and one isthe way we're doing it with this blank
check company. That's a whole differentstory that you don't get into, but
basically you get acquired by company that'salready on an attack who's sole purposes to
acquire companies, or due to thecrowdfunding the other ways you know, regular
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you know, doing rounds A twoG with the seas and so forth.
That's that's a long, long hauland does not work well. And I
also do not recommend people sort oforganically filing themselves onto the penny stock market
without a whole lot of support becausethe the OTC I don't think it is
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a great market anymore. So Irecommend, I recommend that people where possible
to go. I mean, we'vebeen we've been lot seasons two thousand and
seven, so we were kind ofused to it, but I wouldn't do
it again today. I would.I would work directly, going to the
nazakas as the only way to goright, especially when you can get non
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accredited investors to work with you aswell, so that it's not just the
guys with the big money that you'rerelying on. It's the people who are
going to actually use the product thatyou're developing, that will support you and
tell everybody they know about you.That's a huge piece of it. I
agree. Huge. So what's goingon now? What can you tell us
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about what origin clear and how theyare using the crowdfunding space to help them.
What are you doing at this pointin time? Okay, so just
to back up a little bit,we prior to twenty fifteen, we had
a pure technology approach where we werepushing a breakthrough technology developed by me brother
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Nicholas, co founder, and ingeneral we found it in the water industry,
it's very hard to push new technology. It's not a technology friendly sector,
mainly I guess because of concerns aboutpublic health or whatever. But the
point is did not early adopters,and so we kind of did a pivot
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where we worked more on the businessmodel of the water industry, and at
the time there was a shift occurringwhich has now become really obvious, which
is a shift away from centralized watertreatment toward you know, treat in place
the businesses doing their own water treatment, taking responsibility for the toxic way and
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ultimately able to recycle, which wethink is critical to save the planet,
is recycling water. So we movedinto that business model. We acquired one
company, Progressive Water, and thenwe created another called Module Water, and
then in twenty twenty we created athird company, and then in twenty twenty
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three we packaged all three of thoseinto under the banner of Water on Demand
to be acquired by this special purposeAcquisition company or SPAC and that what we've
done this whole time is develop away to get this concept over to everyday
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investors. And what made it workwas we weren't just asking for money to
support our burn, but we werealso raising capital for the water on demand
concept, which is basically a wateras a service idea. So we were
building a fund and that appealed.So we have a high appeal offering for
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a credit investors, which is greatnow having done that and it's working well,
and we're getting a lot of investorsin. But I consider the marketing
to be very wasteful because even highlytargeted marketing, you're still getting about sixty
percent on a credited investors in yourfunnel, and what do you do with
them? Or you're wasting them.So the better way to do it is
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to create an offering using regulation Awhere anybody can invest in. The minimum
is very low and they get sharedthey get common shares in the company plus
maybe an option to buy another share. So very simple offer. Anybody can
come in, You mass market itand then that creates investment. But more
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importantly, the people coming through acertain percentage will be accredited, and then
you can offer them that fund,that that capital opportunity UH you know as
an upsell. And so it's ahybrid. It's a hybrid of of the
wide marketing, which is you knowwhy we recently UH recruited Kevin Harrington to
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help us, because you want alot of visibility, very high profile,
get a lot of people in UH, and then a certain percentage will be
promoted to the larger investment. Andso it's a good combination and basically it
pays for all. It pays forall your marketing, you know, and
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and and more. I mean,it's it's very very good from a point
of view of return on investment.It's really really excellent to have that combination.
Well, tell our listeners to whoKevin Harrington is in case they don't
know, and why it was sosuch a good why it was so good.
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Kevin embarrassing me because he's still allhis hair. He's been in he's
been in the industry for for morethan fifty years. He must have started
the age of five, I guess. But he's so he's he looks ridiculously
young. And he actually invented theinfomercial. He invented the scene on TV
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label that we all know. Hehe was one of the original Sharks and
Shark Tank and he continues to advisecompanies. He had a big success,
for example with Celsius, which isa is a sugar free energy drink and
made it a national brand. Nowit's in distribution of supermarkets and so on.
So he's he's very effective. He'sgot a great following. I think
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one of the keys to success isthat he's very wise about what he supports.
You know, he's not just hewon't just to support you just because
you pay him. I think youhave to convince him that you got something
good. And so he's got integrity, he's got an integrity brand. And
so we sign him up as ontoour board of advisors to help with the
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crowdfunding that we're about to launch.And and so that I think you've got
to have that visibility because you know, a regulation, a offering that trades
by appointment only is a waste ofsign and money. So you want to
have that high profile and he certainlybrings it. And plus he brings a
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sense of credit, well credibility.But to people who don't know about origin,
clear would automatically consider it just becauseof his presence exactly. So you
know, it's not it's like whenyou when you're the son of a well
known banker. Uh, it'll getyou in the door. You still have
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to prove yourself and that's true ofus too, But at least it gives
people a point of recognition like,oh, well, Kevin's involved. That
got to mean something. It givesus a chance to make our case.
So listen, getting back to thereggae part of this, now, let's
talk about how you how you kindof did that, did you you know,
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did you have a lawyer or youput the paperwork into the SEC.
What is that? Well, themain thing is you want to get a
platform or portal, as they say, the one we use is the one
operated by my good friend Rod Turnerover at manhas Street Capital, and they
will provide all the machinery for youknow, you've got to do you know,
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background checks, you know, moneylaundering, that kind of stuff.
You have to verify people, andthey did they have that that process built,
so they hosted. They they willnot do the marketing. They will
recommend it a marketing agency if that'swhat you need, and then they will
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bring in broker to help with theactual you have to have a broker transfer
agent. And of course we useour own SEC council for the regulation,
a filing, the actual registration statement. So all those resources add up.
You know, you see, youknow you kind of have to have money
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as usually you have to have moneyto make money, right, so I
would say you probably should have shareLet's say I had one thousand dollars between
lawyers, platform expenses and also theinitial marketing to get things going. That's
something you get a lot of companyneeds forget to do that, you need
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to market and let people know whoyou are and what you have and why
what you're doing is better before youstart the process and spend the money so
that you don't have to do itlater and backtrack years. Very expect.
When I was the software industry formany years, I specialized in working with
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companies that had spent all their moneyto create a wonderful product, but hadn't
bothered to get it well known andaccept it. That's a that's a critical
part. What's the point of creatinga product if nobody comes exactly and it
costs a lot of money to getit done? Mm hmm. Yeah.
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And I noticed that when I goto your website origin clear dot com,
there is a button there that saysinvest now, right did you guys?
Is that part of the private labelingthat you guys did ron? Don't press
that button? What are you doing? No? No, don't that's a
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nuclear bomb. Oh my gosh,you're taking off right now. But anyway,
No, but that is currently it'sour regulation B or raising D offerings
are for a credit investors, soright now, that's for our pure credit
investment. Right now, we're intest the waters on the regulation of any
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meaning that we don't yet have itfiled or approved with the SEC. That
process is going on, but you'reallowed while you're doing that to put out
to get to find out if peopleare interested. You can put up a
page and get you know, reservationsfrom people, and you can't take their
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money, but at least it givesyou an idea of what's going on.
And so we're about to launch thatand integrate it with the regulation of the
offering. Okay, Yeah, Sothe testing the water is if I go
on there as a potential investor,I'm going to add my name to that
and say, well, I'm gonnapledge to invest live grand or whatever it
is. But but no money istaken from me at that point. It's
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just kind of like a promise sothat when this reggae becomes effective and then
all of a sudden, I guessyou guys contact me again and say,
hey, wrong, we're ready togo. Is that is that the way
it works? Yeah, And youhad no obligation. It's kind of like
a deposit of the car car dealership. It's it's just a good faith deposit
and you won't. There's no obligation, but what it allows us to do
(18:38):
is to get some momentum going withand to test out messaging and so forth.
Advertising where we made a decision acouple of years ago to take all
of our Facebook advertising in house andinvest in house capability, and I think
it's paid off so that we havea very sophisticated, you know, advertising
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funnel on Facebook, which you know, people can criticize Facebook all they want,
but their targeting is amazing and youreally know who you're talking to on
that on that platform. That's true, right, right. I wish I
wish I wasn't. I wish Iwas as popular in real life as I
am on Facebook. That would bea great thing. That's sunny. Yeah.
(19:29):
So so you have a number ofofferings out there. Then you have
the would you just talked about,You have the reggae coming up, right,
you have a an OTC listing.I mean, it's it's incredible how
far you've come. And really,what we talked about before the podcast not
a short period of time, right, it couldn't happen. It's been more
than a decade that we've been atit, and you know, it's you
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don't build companies overnight. I mean, that's that's the truth of it.
The I think the most important thingis that we've constantly, uh looked to
adapt to what worked, and youknow what you might call broken field running,
and you've got to constantly do that, not just in your marketing,
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but your fundamental strategy and go,you know what, this isn't working.
We've got to try something else andif if and of course it takes it
takes an appetite for risk, butit also takes a certain amount of judgment.
I think that my incredibly diverse careerbackground, uh. You know,
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although it has not made me asrich as as the founder of Facebook,
it certainly has given me the theexperience to make decisions and to come up
with it with bright ideas, especiallyworking with the team like Ken Berenger who
co created Well on the Land withme, a Jpkas who's our VP marketing,
A stellar team uh working with me. Yeah. And I'm sure along
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the lines you've taken the hits,you've learned and not everything is easy.
Do you think that that's one ofthe reasons why a lot of these business
owners are maybe afraid to get intothe reg eggas they're afraid of the process,
they're afraid of failing, afraid ofnot knowing how it works when they
see people like yourselves doing it allthe time. And this is something I
think every business should be at leastbe looking into if they're right, if
they want to raise money. Right, But I think there's a fear factor
(21:25):
there, or maybe they don't getmuch information or they're not knowledgeable enough.
What do you think about that,Well, it's always very hard to do
something for the first time, right, Remember when I first became a ship
captain. Before I was a shipcaptain, I was not, and then
I was, And nothing is preparedme for that experience. Like all of
a sudden, you're in charge.You're it. They were looking at you,
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right, But to the extent possible, you want to apprentice, You
want to try things out. Youwant to if you can't get the experience
yourself, see if you can buythe experience. If people can, they
should try and affiliate with start Engine, which is a great platform. But
start Engine is also very selective andthey don't take just everybody, and they
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also want to have you exclusively,which is why we didn't go with them
originally. When we first did ourfirst reggae back in twenty twenty, and
so I think choice of platform isvery important, figuring out how someone else
has done it well, it isvery important, getting a good marketing partner.
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These are all critical. So Ithink the important thing is to start
with, well, look at lookat people are doing it well. For
example, you know the big skierand I'm watching a company called Renown r
E N O U N which hasa line of skis. In fact,
I bought a pair and now they'redoing regulation a and it's worth looking at.
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You know why it's going well forthem? Well, for one thing,
they already had an existing Facebook basedmerchandising business, so they were already
selling product and they were able toleverage that into the fundraising. So I
think one way to go is tois to have a business, an online
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business that you can then you know, you can use the momentum of that
business to get you into fundraising exactly. And well, you know, part
say, if you have a ifyou have a great product or a great
company and it's just amazing to youand a business owner thinks that he's gone
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and he's done everything great, itreally won't matter unless you get the worry
out to people and make it attractivefor investors, which of course is the
goal of marketing. And people thinkit's easy like oh yeah, I don't
do it, no problem, butthey don't realize that there's a special talent
there. You've got to be reallyreally good about it. Then I think
you're handling it the right way.You really you're targeting, hoping the way
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it's supposed to be done, andthat's very impressive. Well, the real
gold is your customers, right,They are your potential investors as well,
and so if you look at abusiness that you've been building, if you've
managed to create a lot of customerloyalty, then those same people will turn
around and put a small amount ofmoney into the investment and that'll be your
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jumpstart. So I think that's reallyvery powerful way to go in my opinion.
Yeah, and these are eves.If you turn your customers into evangelists,
they're the ones that are become yoursalesforce ones when you think about it,
percent Yeah, have you have youever contemplated using tokens in blockchain to
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raise money? Uh? I hada big blockchain experiment back in well,
Wow, twenty eighteen. Like yousay, Ron passes a time right six
years ago. It was very difficultbecause the underlying business case for crypto has
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to be there unless you're going todo a mean coin, which I could
care last night somebody else would dothat crap, But if you want to
establish a genuine business case. Weare in development on a blockchain wrapper for
the dividends we intend to pay downthe road on what on demand, but
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that's that's still in the lab.We're interested. At the same time,
we're well aware that the SEC didnot love crypto, and so when you're
a public enity, you want tobe aware of what the SEC likes and
doesn't like. Yeah, it makessense, it makes sense for sure.
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I want to get those people onyour back. But O, listen,
before we close this out, Ido want to touch upon the fact.
Getting back from marketing, I guess, uh, you do something really smart
that a lot of people should bedoing. And I think one of the
one thing I really like about whatyou're doing is is you have those like
CEO talks. Right, don't youhave a CEO page where people can go
and you do weekly updates and thingslike that. Yes, So if people
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go to origin clear dot com andclick on CEO. Well, they'll get
an invitation right away to sign upfor my weekly CEO briefings every Thursday night.
I think I've done almost two hundredand thirty of these so far.
And you get you We tell itlike it is, and initially I'm on
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screen, and then we do abunch of news about the company, about
the economy, et cetera. Butthen we get the team on and three
topics thats the company get together anddiscussing. It's very very informative for investors
because it's rare that public companies havethat level of disclosure. But people want
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to know what they're investing in,and they want to hear it from the
person that's taking their money, notyou know, from just anybody. It
makes a whole lot of difference interms of your credibility when you take the
time to tell the people this iswhy you should invest with me, this
is what we're doing, because you'rethe one with the passion. Well,
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and if they feel it right,I mean, people know, and then
this is why I think it's soimportant to to talk to your audience.
You know. Yeah, the onlythe only downside I see of your CEO
briefings is that you haven't done onefrom the ski slopes yet. I've never
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seen it. Oh, you aretempting me, would be good? You
better hurry up before it, melf, you know. Maybe, Well go
on, Vick. Well, whatI was going to say is, now
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that we've talked about how you've goneabout creating your business, maybe we should
let our listeners get an idea ofwhat your business is. What does Origin
Clear do? Origin Clear launches companiesthat are intended to disrupt their sector.
Right now, we're focused on thewater industry. And what we did was,
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for the last seven years, we'vebuilt three businesses that we then consolidated
into one in twenty twenty three tocreate enough value that it would have an
objective valuation sufficient to be acquired bya company that was specifically created to acquire
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companies. And this is their callSPACKS special purpose acquisition corporation or company.
And they have a bunch of cash, but they have no operations. And
this whole purpose is to buy companies, and there's a lot of them out
there, and what's weird is thatthey generally have a very hard time finding
companies to buy. I don't knowif if I had a bunch, if
I had a hand million dollars,I think I would know how to buy
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a company. I don't know whatit seems that relatively, you know,
like okay, I got some cashyou want to sell, you know,
okay. So but for some reason, there's a glut of these SPACs and
we managed to get involved with onethat you know was a good fit.
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And so that is our first majorexit that were the uh negotiating right now,
we've negotiated it. It's already donedeal as far as the business combination
goes. But of course we haveto get a SEC approval, nas dec
approval, and that's that's by nomeans guaranteed. But but the point is
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is that we've become very very goodat raising money from everyday investors. That's
kind of our super power we are. We know how to do it,
We know how to make it worththeir while. We treat them well.
Our investor is autistic with us,will will be well rewarded. And so
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what we plan to do now isobviously we're going to continue to support water
demands it as it goes on tothe NASDAQ and and gets built out.
But we're then going to take somemore companies and put them to the Origin
Clear company development funnel, right,incubation, call it what you will.
That we've now developed so we knowhow to create companies and then we know
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how to get them funded and ultimatelyget them in the NASDAK. So that
really is our mission is to youknow, a number of public companies.
I just saw this stat has leastten years or so, has dropped by
half. In other words, it'sbeen a tremendous reduction the number of public
companies out there, and that's becauseit's just hard. It's hard to govern
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them. It's hard to do,you know, to do the right thing.
Well, we know how to dothat. We've hit the bullet.
We have the competency, and wealso know how to you know, manage
our expectations. What's great, inmy opinion is the Origin Clear itself is
still a penny stock while it isgoing to be the largest single owner I
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believe of a NAZDAC company, Soit's going to have some I think,
some tremendous future potential. So I'mpersonally holding onto my stock because I think
it's got potent. So obviously I'mnot making a recommendation, but the fact
that origin clear is the penny stockI think, you know, might put
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off some people, but I alsosee it as an opportunity to get involved
early on in a company that wethink is going to be legendary. Oh
I think anybody who listening to thispodcast has kind of assume that as well.
Then you definitely know what you're doingand everything. And now, just
to be clearly, I can goto OTC markets right now and purchase your
(32:30):
stock, but your REGA is stillin development. That's is that right?
So the regulation A offering is fora private subsidiary with public company. I'm
sorry, no, no, no, no, the rules got changed.
You can actually get public company stock. So the regulation A offering enables you
(32:52):
to get a small bonus. Forexample, right now, if I go
to Yahoo Finance or schwab, Ican buy stock and OCLN and I'll get
it. Let's save a penny.I get a share for a penny.
Fine, But if I buy itthrough regulation A, I'll get that same
share for a penny, but I'llalso get a warrant so that I can
buy another share over the next threeyears for a penny, and it goes
(33:16):
like ten cents, then I've hadan opportunity to get a second swing at
the back, so it has youknow, theoretically, it's more potential right
now that those shares ultimately are publicpublicly traded, their commons talk eventually just
like regular CLN shares. Okay,that's that's good. So then now,
(33:38):
if somebody's listening to this podcast interestedin getting more information or finding out,
oh you know, how this isdone, how would they get in touch
with you? What's what's the bestway to contact you? Or any other
any other links you may want toleave. Well, of course I strongly
recommend joining us for our CEO briefings. You can post comments that we will
(34:00):
answer on the air, So ifyou have questions, that's the easiest way
to get them addressed. If you'reinterested in investing, of course, click
on the investment now button or sendingan email to invest at origincred dot com
right now, of course it's creditinvestors, But very very shortly, even
if you put in your name innow, you will be put into a
(34:23):
wait list for the crowdfunding. SoI recommend, you know, putting your
name in and you'll hear more fromus. I think those are the two
big ways to do it. Islike I said, the briefing and the
investment on button. Yeah, well, I think water is pretty important for
that for the planet, aren't you. I think that's pretty pretty solid.
That's never going to go away.Well, here's the thing, ron is
(34:46):
that you know, every commodity outthere is that it's becoming a commodity world.
But they're all manipulated. Gold,precious metals, bitcoin, oil and
gas. They are all manipulated commoditiessome nature of assets these days, even
real estate, forget our commercial realestate. I mean, I don't think
(35:07):
I could come close to that.But the point I'm making is water is
still early in its run as aninvestable asset, and it is it is
not as manipulated. It's not manipulatedat all because it's still very early and
water, as you say, isvery very stable in terms of demand.
It's not going to go up anddown. Yeah, and it's versatile too.
(35:30):
Because I drank water in the formof beer last night. So you
know, it's very important to drinkyou know, water to form of beer
because you know that you're not goingto get bacteria from that because it's been
cleansed by the fermentation process. Thismorning, I've had water in the form
(35:51):
of coffee, so everything is isgood. Vicky, you want to close
this out and you've got any otherquestions or comments between sin Off, Well,
I love you know. You knowRon, We've done so many podcasts
and we've had so many great guestson them. But one thing that is
so I don't know, amazing tome is we tend to pick the guests
(36:15):
for our podcasts who are exceptional.Like Riggs started off, didn't know,
learned and now has all kinds ofyou. Obviously he's got Origin Clear,
but Origin Clear has so many subsidiariesdoing various aspects of water recycling and cleaning
(36:39):
the water. But it all comesdown to doing what's right, doing it
with integrity, changing the world andhaving an impact so that people listening to
this podcast not only is it informativeand yeah, you know this is great,
(37:00):
but you have the opportunity by investingwith Riggs to change the world and
impact society, and that's that's justfabulous. Kudos kudos to you are being
able to do that, Rigs.It's wonderful. Well, we love doing
it. It's what gets us upin the morning, and we think we're
(37:24):
creating a movement to enable water recycling. Do you realize that if an industry
and agriculture just increases recycling from thecurrent levels to fifteen percent, we will
double the amount of fresh water availablefor residential use. And that is a
super important cause and all of itoutstanding. Yeah, well, that's that's
(37:46):
definitely a good goal. So,so Riggs, thanks a lot for being
a guest from the show. Reallyappreciate you taking a time out. Vicky,
thanks for co hosting this episode.And folks, you're listening to the
Mappable USA podcast that Knappable USA dotcom. If you go to that homepage
to scroll down, you see ohI syndication for us. Pick the one
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(38:07):
And if you want to be aguest from the show, like Rig's
ice today, there's a guest eddebt fill light out. We'll see you
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