Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 Movie Review

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really cool. A movie that cameout a couple of weeks ago. We
gave you time to watch it,so we're not going to play. We
are going to play with spoilers.So if you haven't seen this movie,
go see it. Go watch it, then come back and listen. Yeah,
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twos Universe podcast. And that's great. Sure, Um, so let's talk
about the movie. It is aMarvel Comics movie, Marvel Cinematic, University,
University Universal. I don't know whatI'm saying anymore, Universe either one
didn't work for me, thank you, Vicky. We're talking about Guardians of

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the Galaxy Volume three, and Igotta tell you I really loved it.
And let Vick. Vicky's going torun the show today. You know,
usually when it's something to do,when it's a comic property, I let
Ed do it. But Ed istaking a vacation this week, so now
I'm so sad he's not here withus, So that's okay, I'm going

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to try and end channel my interhead. Oh yeah. Anyways, so Vicky
is going to lead this conversation onGuardians of the Galaxy Volume three. Take
it away, Vicky, Well,I have to agree with you. I
really enjoyed this film, and so, of course this is the third in

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the trilogy. All of them werewritten and directed by James Gunn, which
is unusual because for the most partum there's been a lot of trade off
on who's writing or who's directing thevarious films, even within the sets.
So this was kind of a JamesGunn baby, and I think it shows.

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And if you were to, forexample, only watch the three Guardians
of the Galaxies together, watched theothers and the Holiday special, yet I
think you could still get a completestory even without knowing everything that happens in
the other movies. So the onlything, I think, the only thing

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is that you would not understand whyGomra was not the same game. You
need to see The Avengers to understandexactly why you are correct. But I
think that they touch on it enoughright that you know you could you could
kind of survive. Yeah, butI want to know to begin with,

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Okay, Zion. What was yourfirst impression when you watched this film?
I thought it was pretty good.Um, I I really I honestly,
I don't really have much to tosay about it all. Honestly, if
it was just a good overall film, like like you put it correctly,

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it's a standalone if if you putthese these three movies on his own island,
they work by by themselves. AndI think as such, and I
think that's kind of like a freshthing. Because everything has been interconnecting recently.
It was nice to take a stepback and take a singular issue rather

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than the entire tie in. Yes, as much as I have enjoyed well
everything so far MCU, it waskind of nice to get, shall we
say, to this like one littlefamily, and I feel like we've had
the story arc of this little family, this rag tag group of misfits.

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So now this one, I willsay, even though we still have the
humor that we definitely have in theothers, there's no question, no question,
you still feel James gun throughout thewhole thing. This one definitely tugged
at the heart strings a little bitmore because we got it was very dark

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and so instead of being like thesecond one is dark. It's the third
one was dark, but it endson such a bright note. But we'll
get to that later. Well,but I want to talk about Rocket because
of this story. Is Rocket Raccoonand we can now call him that because

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now so we get the backstory,and you know, it does diverge a
little bit. There are bits andpieces that diverge from the comic books,
but that's okay because I feel like, as has happened historically with the MCU,
they get the gist of the backstories, and sometimes there's more than one

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because some of these characters have beenaround forever. But in the Guardians of
the Galaxy, they've stayed very trueto the to the tone of the comic
books and the general stories and thegeneral characters. So even though there are
little bits and pieces that different,they've done excellent job of that. And

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Rocket we get to finally find outwhy is Rocket Rocket? Yeah, And
I just you know, I've neverI have to admit I've never loved a
CGI character more. I just Ifell in love with this character. You
know, he was kind of thecomic relief, the brash, the you

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know, Bradley Cooper. Um.I thought Ben Diesel was a comic relief
Rude Well thirteen thirteen thirteam. Yeah, he was kind of a different form
of of of comic relief. Butyou know, his his you know,
shoot him all that, God sorthim out mentality was just it was great.

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But now we find out why ishe the way he is? Why
is he standoffish? Why does hedeny? He has relationships with these people
that he clearly loves in the Guardians. So, you know, um,
and and one way I heard itput is is truly the heart of it?

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Does Rocket have a soul? Yeah? Is he more than just a
cartoon character, a CGI character,A you know? Um? What is
Rocket? Who is Rocket? Whyis he so important? Which, of
course will lead us to the highevolutionary before? What did the origin of

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Rocket? Um? Was it thesame as in the comic book? Was
the backstory similar? It's it's similar. You have no clues for you.
I did read. I can readthese specific comics, but I've done some
research over over the years since we'vebeen doing Guardians of the Galaxy. Um,
it's because they're newer comics for me. Um, for most part,

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some of them go back original oneI think was like sixty nine. But
you know, they were kind ofan offshoot. They weren't the X Men,
they weren't any of the big names, so they weren't the ones I
was reading, and you know,you'd hear about them and occasionally there might
be a crossover, but never likeclicked in my head. They weren't the

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Avengers or X Men, So Iwas like, who, But it's my
understanding. It's fairly close. Sohe is developed. You know, we
got this this this guy who inthe comic books is a m Earth scientist

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who involved himself and everything else.So the High Evolutionary create is trying to
create a perfect species and a perfectsociety. Which rule number one. Anytime
you try and create anything perfect,it doesn't work. True, it never
works. It can't work. Nothing'sperfect in this nothing's perfect. It's no

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normal, nothing's perfect exactly. Andthat's one of the big themes of this
movie. Um, you know,the High Evolutionary And it's interesting. I
listened to some interviews with the actorwhose name suddenly escapes me. Someone helped
me here. Oh I can't pronouncehis name. I'm sorry, but he's

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amazing. He's ridiculously talented, andum, I'm embarrassed that I cannot pronounce
his name either. Yea, chickWoody. I think it's Chuck Woody,
Chacuti, okay, CHICKOUTI and thenyeah, yeah, and I mean,

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you know what, I gotta tellyou something. Put it this way,
guys, for that name in guardis the Galaxy is basically Shooty Gatra in
doctor who is completely different than whatit sounds like to at least I know
Shoot but I don't know. Yeah, he is amazingly talented and been in

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tons of things, including James Gunn'sPeacemaker, and it just um. But
he was talking about how he wantedto create a villain that was unredeemable.
We're oftentimes, you know, wecan find um somewhere in a villain.
It's you know, the bad childhood, the um mistreatment, the misunderstood,

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the you know, he's trying todo something good, the high evolutionary He's
not trying to do anything good atall. I mean, he thinks it's
good to have a perfect society andthe perfect species. But you know,
I want to know what was yourimpressions watching him on the screen, So
so you know, Mark and Zion, what did you guys think when you

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were watching him, well, you'reright about the fact that he created an
irredeemable character. Um, even iffans had at some way had the right
thing. He was trying to help. You're trying to help, but he
wasn't trying to do his own thing. In fact, what was it.
High Evolutionary basically said he was God. There is no God. So I

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will be watching. Yeah, I'msorry that evil. If I'm thinking,
so he did, I mean,that's a great character. And I remember
in the comic books it's very similar. I I didn't you know. Here's
the funny thing about the comic bookswith Guardians of the Galaxy and others.

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I like the Earth centric superheroes andstuff. I could never get into the
cosmic characters. Silver Surfer always insome slight way annoyed me. Glati Glack
Well, no, it just becauseI'm not into that and Glack this.
Yeah, he was a good villain. Hopefully he'll be in the Fantastic Four
movies. Yeah, I love theX men um when there was the the

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Yeah, yeah, I just Ilove that. But then again, I
wanted to be an astronaut really bad, right, But um, so I
never got into any of the infinitelywarst I did not. I read the
first issue of the First Symphony moreI gave up on it. Um I
for some reason, I'm not intothat. If I want cosmic stories,

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I go to the Doctor who start. Yeah, but marvel cosmic characters never
did anything for me. Was Zion? What did you think? I think
he was the most evil villain Sansanosif if not Pastinos. Yeah, like
like there's there's there's nothing, asas he said, redeemable or good about

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him. He's just here experimenting oneverything until he finds it perfect. Yeah.
Yeah, that's sound scary, becauseoh it's very scary, you know.
Yeah, Now I have to agreewith you, because as I was
watching it, my first thought wasdoctor Mangla from the etching the number into

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Rocket to some of the words.And I don't recall if the character originally
was based on that and anything,but I do know for James Gunn,
he really took a vibe of theHolocaust to give us some of Rockets backstory,
and it made perfect sense to me. Um. Of course, being

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Polish and having lost family in theHolocaust, it just it becomes this like
mind blowing of course it makes perfectsense, and I actually appreciate the fact
that he didn't have a redeeming bit. You know, Darth Vader can be

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redeemed. I'm okay with that.But sometimes there are people that simply are
just bad, who enjoy being bad, who don't want to be redeemed.
And I think that the High Evolutionarywas such a creature and his desire for

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perfection, and even when we seehim in later years and he's got the
skin stretched back, you know whatStar Trek movie I'm thinking of, when
I saw him like that. Yeah, would you put High Evolutionary in the

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same boat as Doctor Moreau. Yes, there's also that influence, and it
was even though it was some ofit was definitely written into the comic books,
some of these creatures existed in thecomics. James Gunn also did mention
his influence with Doctor Moreau, becauseagain, there is something about villains and

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it goes all the way back tothe beginnings of science fiction fantasy sort of
writers in the Victorian age, whereevery time you try to play god,
it fails, and it usually failsastronomically, you know, even even with

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Frankenstein. And ironically I had writtenmy MBA thesis. What used the early
science fiction writers and their warnings tous to why we need to be careful
with bio ethics and bioengineering UM asa business model, because it's just you

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gotta be. As soon as youcross that line and you go into the
wanting to do greater good to becomingwanting to be god, you always fail.
Yeah, and there's a reason forthat. We are imperfect and our

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efforts to make perfection will always beimperfect. Yeah, it's an interesting phenomenon.
Yes, I am one thing thatI we'll see it in terms of
how this character was written, isthat um his his his his his superiority

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complex. Yeah, and how somuch died that he believes it and it
like like for like when Rocket wasfearing out that equation for yes, forgive
me because I haven't seen it sincelike opening days, so like being are
a little bit hazy, but um, but when he was trying to figure

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out why something wasn't working and theRocket just knew and he just couldn't figure
why he just why he knew itand and why the high who's Mary himself
didn't and it just bugged at him, bugged in him, bugged in him,
bugged him, Like, this isactually an interesting thing. But like

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one thing is that he's he's tryingto obtain perfection. But like, if
you look at his creations, hiscreations looked like something out of the First
Toy Story. Yes, very much. So. You know, Floor,
which I understand in the comics wasoriginally called black Jack O'Hare. That's a

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great name. That's a great name. You know, you've got the spider
legs and you've got the lockjaw mouth, and I mean that was horrific when
when you see that and you go, oh my god. Um, it's
just a visceral image, but it'sperfect. And so here's this guy striving

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for perfection and he kind of sortof created it in a way in Rocket
as close as you could get,because then rockets figuring out the problems.
Yeah, so thus begins his newobsession, not just creating perfection, not

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just but why is Rocket so good? What is it about this thing?
And of course he keeps calling itby his number, which I forgot what
it was. I'm sorry, um, because I'm not going to call um.
Would you say? Part of thereason not only because he was intelligent,

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but he was actually Rocket was actuallysmarter than the high evolutionary because the
high evolutionary hadn't the problem. Andthen I think is definitely one of the
reasons he wanted to dissect his brainsand study why something he created was smarter
than them. You know, yes, yeah, it's fascinating when you think

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about it, because you've got you'vegot this character Rocket who where when they
first go to get him, andhe's he's the only raccoon that doesn't go
and hide in the dark, right, He's curious that curiosity, you know,

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and it makes me think of somethingthat I've heard in many other science
fiction fantasy We've heard it in DoctorWhom. You know, the human curiosity
is what makes us special. Sowhat makes Rocket special is that even though
the rest of them are towering,he's curious enough to go that first time

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and not hide and wants to knowwhat is this? You know, hand
coming out of the darkness almost makesyou think about um, you know,
go back to toy story the LittleGreen Men and the claw. You know,
the hand is the claw, andum, I feel like there's this

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huge just influence of curiosity of ofoh, what's this? I want to
know, Rocket wants to know.I don't think that the high evolutionary wants
to know. He wants to create, he wants to own, he wants

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to control. He's not curious.That's why he's not as smart as Rocket.
By that, Um, not muchyou can say about that. Um
yeah, I'm I'm plumb bickys.Come on with something else. No,

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that was so profound, it's makingmy brain skipper beat. So go ahead.
Well, I kind of feel thatfor all the humor, and to
use the quote of critics, it'sa super hero movie, as often happens,
there's at least profound moments, ifnot profound meanings behind all of these.

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And I think that goes back tothe comic books. What people who
were so derisive of comic books andgraphic novels over the years is they don't
understand that oftentimes there were there weremorals to our stories. There were you
know, we could identify with somebody. The X Men was all about the

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racism in this country in the nineteensixties and the civil rights movement. It
was it was a direct and it'sso funny how many people don't get that.
So much about Marvel really was Stanleyand Kirby and so many of the

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others whose names, of course,are escaping me at the moment as I
look at them on my wall.That guy, that guy, and that
guy. Um. You know,they were holding mirrors up to society.
But just like Star Trek did,because they were able to do it in
a way that wasn't a oh don'tbe racist, right, don't let me

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hit you over the head with thisbook. Instead, they did it in
a way where people didn't. Ican't tell you how many people who have
sometimes had other questionable views have lovedStar Trek, have loved X Men.
MCU is successful everywhere, but that'sbecause we're talking about people who are Rocket
Raccoon. We are talking about Nebula, who is blue. So we're able

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to bypass the obvious and make changesto people's hearts. In a quote unquote
Superhero movie, speaking about Nebula,she was blue, and guess who else
is blue? Oh, we're allblue? Because it sounds like a commercial

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we've gotten more on gootg V three. As I like to write it down.
It's easier than Guardians of the GalaxyLine three, much less time.
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on the podcast Who to Um,I'm your host, Mark Pound Guarding.
We have Nickie Jacobski and Zion Kira'sand we're going to we are going to
continue our discussion. Yes on Guardiansof the Galaxy Volume three. Have you
guys gotten the soundtrack yet? Iwas, I haven't want to get the
soundtrack? Um, I just haven'tgotten there yet. Because once again,

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music is an important thing to Guardiansof the Galaxy. Yeah, why don't
you take that away on that note, Dicky, go with that, go
with the music. Well, youknow it just like everything else, or
like every version of the Guardians,it's clear that James Gunn is a huge
lover of music, and it justsometimes it makes me giggle because So much

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of the music is from my childhood, the seventies, the eighties, and
I couldn't understand the nineties and twothousands that were on that a little MP
three player. But I can becauseYondo, who wouldn't know the difference,
just picked a collection of things,and so so much of the music in

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Guardians of the Galaxy, I feltlike they really tried. Now every director
tries to make music, whether they'reusing pop music or it's the score,
to make it match, to makeit matter, and so I think that

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James Gunn takes it to perhaps themost m anyone ever has. I just
I'm absolutely flabbergasted because I feel likeevery song fits the moment. Yeah,

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um, case in point. Youknow you've got the Beastie Boys Brooklyn.
Oh yeah, finally they've come together. They are now a team again,
because it's the movie starts with thema little disjointed. Oh yeah, yes,
you know they're in nowhere and there'sclearly struggling on what their new role

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will be. Gomra is not Gomeraanymore because now we've got the old Gomorrah
that's trying to find her place.She's off with with the Rangers, and
um, it just you know,so when when the Beastie Boys hits and
you get that slow mode, Imean, it just I don't knowe to

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me, everything about the Beastie Boysis we're going to kick. But so
if that's going to happen, youhave to play a Beasti Boys song.
Definitely. It's just like when,um, I feel like, uh,
there's a few good fight scenes outthere in the universe that would be really
great with the Ramones as the backdrop. You know, it's just that phonetic

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guitar just it's so fits with someof these fight scenes. Um. So
you know, James Gunn has givenus a um, a collection of songs
that I mean, some of themit was just like, oh, I
have to look at what this isbecause I know this song, but I

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cannot remember the names of them,you know. But the Flaming Lips,
there's an avant garde group that fitin there so well. And then we
have to actually talk about the factthat when we have the mid credit scene
and we go back to the beginning, oh yeah, the original with the

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opening of Guardians of the Galaxy Volumeone, you know, now we have
Redbone Full Circle and it's just whichalso proves that everything about the Guardians of
the Galaxy is it's continuing, evenwith the changes, even with the people

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going their separate ways, the storycontinues. Yeah, I thought, you
know, I agree with you.The music was each song was perfectly placed
worked. What did you think aboutthe music that the high evolutionary was listening
to. I think it fit perfectly. It did because he's listening to complex

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um classical music, which oftentimes wasat perfection considered perfection both at the time
it came out and aficionados of classicalmusic will view it that way. Also
that these are these are some ofthe best pieces of classical music you can

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listen to, you know, whenyou're talking about people like Chopin and Mozart
and Beethoven, they are um,They're at the top of the list because
their their complexity, in their simplicitysometimes is just phenomenal. And the fact
that the high evolutionary would view itas near perfection is actually surprising, although

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he really only views it as nearperfection. Yeah, you know, and
when you think of out somebody whowants to be God or godlike or thinks
he's God, oftentimes classical music seemsto fit because we often associate classical music

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with religious music. It's not always, but oftentimes there is a religious component
to it. So it becomes reallyeasy that anytime you have a scene because
even like Mozarts music of the Heavens, you know, Jupiter, Saturn,

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all that that, still it's stillHARKing back to the Greek gods. Not
just the planets, but the Greekgods. So you know, you've got
this this whole component of if you'regoing to have something where it's touching on
the heavens, whatever that is.Um, classical music or something that evokes

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classical music is oftentimes going to beplayed in movies or in our own personal
soundtracks. I just assume everyone elsehas a personal soundtrack that plays in their
head too. Um, you know, was that just me? Every Monday
morning as I'm driving into work andI want to be sedated is playing through
my head? That's only me?When I take that back, I hear

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that song all the time too.I really want to be sedated right now.
But we'll get to that later,No, we won't. So I
mean, Zion, did the musicspeak to you being? Um? I
mean, this was the music ofmy generation, but I'm curious how you
felt about it. Um it isoh overall soundtrack I felt was pretty good

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for forest context because I think Ibrought this up if I think, what
um black Adam where um they justthrew painted black just have passively and we
have storing songs in just just forjust for the heck of it, because
James Gunn did it and it workedin But since now we're back here,

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it still works the same way.Like yeah, certain, it's like peaks
and valleys. You have peaks likewith Rocket with him him listening to a
creep in um at the beginning,like like like this, we don't need
to say any words or anything.We just know rockets going through it and

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he's feeling the music right. It'sgreat if it seem perfectly Um. You
have scenes like um, when umAdam Warlock came in and you had that
rock song and he's just flying throughthe universe and everyone looks at that it
says that's the greatest entrance in allthe MCU and it's just simply flying through
universe. I'm like, yeah,that's Adam Warlock. Let's go yeah that

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opening Sorry sorry, no, let'ssay that opening scene when near the opening,
when Adam Warlock is flying towards nowhere, Randy's next to me. She
hears the song and goes, thatworks. I love this movie already.
Yeah, it definitely does work.Um, But like you have, like

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like when I mom they played BruceSpringsteen and liked, that's just a personal
me. That's just throw in halfpassionate me. So like overall says okay,
hey, peaks and valleys, butthe overall quality of the songs,
I feel like, um, itis the It's it's the middle child of
the volumes. Like I still havea Volume one soundtrack as the pinnacle.

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Um, I can't three right nextto it, and then two at the
least, not saying that too isbad. But overall three is upgrade from
Volume two. Did they Did theyever release the Holiday Special music on CD?
I don't think so. I don'tthink so. I think you can
only get in on iTunes. Yeah. I went to YouTube and and yeah,

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so I technically have the soundtrack onmy Yeah. I don't know if
I should be saying that to someout loud in front of the people,
because mister Rent gets upset about that. Well, but I think that you
know, Zion, You make someextremely good points. Um. I do
think that James Gunn has a verygood handle on what to play when.

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UM And there's been many and andI've seen it over the years. UM.
You know, I'm not a hugefan of Sofia Coppola's um Marie Antoinette
for a variety of reasons. UM, but I just don't find that the
music fits. Um and and eventhe more recent um, more recent the

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Dicapriou, Gatsby or It to notbe twenties to me seems wrong. I
understand what they were trying to dowith it, but you know, and
I think that was bas Lerman,who normally has a better handle on music.
But it just, you know,trying to update a twenties theme.

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Yes, you can kind of doit, but I don't know. To
me, it just felt like itwasn't It didn't fit. So it's always
hard when you know, sometimes themusic just really works. And I think
in general, James Gunn has abetter ear for what music to put when
in his movies than many other people. And I think that's one of the

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reasons he might be more successful.You can put pop music in it.
It's a thing it's been very popular. It used to be the other way
around. A song would be ina movie and then it became a pop
song and joined the pop charts.But I think that there may be a
bit of a nostalgia thing going on. So for a lot of people,
they're going to bring in things fromtheir own childhood, um to to evoke

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an emotion. Because there are somesongs, you know, crazy for you
by heart there that's a song thathas a certain emotion, um for me
that it just for so for methat works and and and I can I
have a visual and I go,yes, okay, we're good. Um
so uh. But I do agreewith you Zion that you got to be

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careful with it because too often wedo have things. I enjoyed Black Adam
in the music, but I canalso see where for other people, um,
maybe it didn't work as well.Maybe I like that song so much
I ignored the fact of where itwas. Um yeah, yeah, I
am. I chuck it up moremore to a mum director style, because

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as I said, he, it'scertain songs to fit the context rather than
for example, on Eternals, whenEternal started, um, they put in
um Pin Floyd's time, right,Yeah, I'm a reason to put pin
for his time there. It isan amazing so right, but why is

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it there? Yeah? Like I'msitting there and like, of course,
like whenever I hear like any grippingplayer, I'm like, oh my coin
if here we go expecting okay,this is a good scene. Yeah,
but it's it's just her walking upthe stairs, and then they cut it.
So I just end up thinking,Okay, why wasn't that there?
Right? But I think you've gota very good point there, and we

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have seen it insufficient and unfortunately sometimespoorly done over the years in a variety
of movies, in a variety ofthemes. And you know, if if
you're going to use music as atheme, and I do think that James
Gunn uses his music as part ofhis theme, yeah, um be very
specific. And there's been times becauseof royalty rights and everything I've heard directors

(39:07):
talk about. You know, itcost us a ton of music to do
it, but it was so perfect, and I agree that. You know,
if you have just the right song, it's worth the expense of putting
it in there rather than just okay, well I can afford this one.
So I'm gonna use this one,and it's just you know, one of

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the the perfect examples of that,of course, is Wayne's World with Bohemian
Rhapsody. Oh yeah, I grewup listening to Bohemian Rhapsody in the cars.
I am a retired headbanger, andwhen that happened, I was like,
but of course, didn't everybody dothat. You know, Mike Myers

(39:52):
knew that that song was perfect thereand really insisted on keeping it, and
I'm so glad he did. Yeah. But you know, themes is very
important James Gunn, and he hasseveral of them that flow through this and
one of the big ones that weget with rocket story, with actually everybody's

(40:15):
story, is you know, there'sthis push and pull in this movie about
perfection and imperfections. But the Guardiansshow us, through them and their actions
and everything that happens in the movie, that it's the imperfections of our world
and of our society that makes uswonderful. I agree, And we look

(40:40):
at all these little bits of imperfection. You know, Rocket is imperfect,
but again, like we talked earlier, here's no perfect mind. Yeah,
he is better than in so manyways than then he who showed up your

(41:01):
name down, kidding the high evolutionaryum. In my notes, I shortened
him to a capital agent, thecapital e because the high evolutionary. And
it is like, so is heversus you know, she who shall be
obeyed? Sorry, that's a literaryreference. And you know, the high

(41:25):
evolutionary and is his strive to makehimself perfect. In his strive to make
everything perfect makes things more and moreimperfect. And you can't have good without
bad, which is why when wego to counter Earth, there is the
negative element. There is this theshadier side of life. There there is

(41:51):
the bad elements, because you can'thave dark without light, good without bad.
And and then there's the areas ofgrain, the areas of gray are
imperfections and other than the high evolutionarynobody is all good. Nobody is all
bad. Like Warlock. Yes,Warlock is a perfect example. There is

(42:16):
somebody who evolves. Nebula evolves,even star Lord evolves. Yea. And
I'm curious as to which evolution youknow moved you guys to mouse. I
mean, I know, I'm awhole big emotional creature here EmPATH over here,
but you know, you know whatwas what was the evolutions for you

(42:37):
guys as you were watching this,we had several evolutionary tracks. And in
this one movie, well, Ilike kind of hyper focused on was Adam
Warlock because because I always liked,like was it changed by a vice character?

(42:59):
But like so I they they've they'vealways like teased about him, like
prior to like endgame and such likeI think we like got his cocoon in
like volume two second like that,and I was always wondering, okay,
um, he was a giant componentin fighting Thanos prior to if any war

(43:19):
or like just in the cosmic scenein general. And so they bring him
in here and and like I've I'veI wanted, okay, where are you
going to go with this guy?And honestly still I don't really know where
they're actually going with him, becauselike they kind of like just jumbled him
with with the Guardians, with withwhere the new Guardians. But like in

(43:46):
terms of like everyone else, itkind of worked out the way it did.
Peter actually decided to go home andsuch. Niggula is a carry person
like um, there's that scene wherea mum they are already on rocket at
the end, and Nebula actually cares. She's invested, yes, like full

(44:13):
heart on heart on but um,but when but when she actually gets confirmation
that like Rocket is all right,she's like about to cry yes. And
out of all all the reactions day, I was like, Wow, this
was the cold assassin that was tryingto hunt these people down. And then
now she's with them, actually carryingif they live or not. So the

(44:37):
destroyer of worlds is now wanting tobuild a society underwhere Yes, And so
if I had to choose one,I'd say that one is I think the
highest, the highest evolution of themovie. And isn't it interesting when Gamurra
makes the comment you know, andshe's all man at Peter and she's like,

(45:01):
you know, the person you're describingsounds more like her and points to
Nebula because Nebula has now evolved towhere Gomorrah was right basically in the first
movie, where she was already pastthey know, she was already wanting to
say things. And now Nebula,who we kind of thought in movie one

(45:23):
would never go there, would neverbe redeemable. Which is interesting because with
both Adam Warlock and Nebula, we'vewe've found these redeemable characters in people that
we wouldn't have guessed at the beginningof their incarnations would ever be redeemable.

(45:45):
What did you think, Mark,Um, Well, I was going to
see the Rocket Raccoon. No one, you already covered that, So I'll
say the story arc of Master Karja. Oh. No, I'm just throwing
Nathan in there. I see howyou are. You're just kind of,

(46:10):
you know, messing with us.Yes, yeah, I guess that's allowed.
That's that's my answer. Oh well, there's another evolution. Uh,
there's the evolution of the audience.And you know how we evolved. At

(46:36):
the very end, we have thatlittle thing, right, you guys know
where I'm going with this. Yes, where Groots says I love you all
or something like that, and weall hear him in English because, as
we learned from Gomorrah at the end, she could now understand him because she
had now been around him enough.She'd so we were now all emotionally invested

(47:01):
in Grout and we had spent allthis time with him over three movies,
well more because he was in more. But we've now spent time with him,
we've grown with him that when hethrows in his last little line.
We're all like, of course weunderstand him because we've all evolved too,

(47:22):
We've all grown in our emotion andand our vesting of you know, um
we love group too, so ofcourse we understand what he says. It
makes perfect sense to us. Iwondered why why no one reacted to That's
why? And that's why that's reallyinteresting. Well, because they hear him

(47:45):
anyway, so you know, it'snot like so they thought it was just
him talking um I because isn't groutonly supposed to know three words? Yes?
What's kind of like Pikachu, right, It's kind of like the pope
him on. They only say onetwo words and and, but it means
different things because of their inflections,right right. I When I was watching

(48:08):
that scene and he spoke some words, I had a double take. I
had asked, Randy, here's talkyes, Margie, Wow. See.
I guess that we that the audiencecould now understand them because of that arc
that we had with Gomera, thatwe could understand him. And then I

(48:30):
did hear an interview with James Gunnwhere he confirmed that where someone said,
so can we all understand him atthe end because we can all now understand
them, and yes, it justum, Now, if we ever see
him again, will we hear hiswords or we hear I am grout.
I feel like they would have togo back to I am grout. Yea,

(48:50):
yeah, it fits. It's kindof like Chebacca on Star Wars.
You know, other people begin tounderstand them. You know, in the
beginning, it's it's Luke Skywalker doesn'tunderstand him. But by movie three,
episode six, you know he understandsChewbacca completely. So there's a understanding of

(49:12):
language, there's an understanding of people. There's the fact that understanding empathy,
compassion. These are all themes thatare running through the story of the Guardians
of the Galaxy, which again isreally interesting how deep these themes are in
probably the funniest series of the MCU. Yeah, speaking of Star Wars,

(49:37):
it's not just Chewbacca. The factyou can understand what R two D two
is saying totally understands him from thebeginning. But Lucas also spent his whole
life surrounded by m droids, sothe fact that he picks up R two
D two's language quicker makes sense.Right. SOUS three movies understand Route though.

(50:05):
Yeah, well we were slow learners, so you know. Um.
So one of the other important UMthemes is don't use your head, use
your heart. Yeah you know,it's not just to control arrows. It's
um it's it's everything, you know. Craiglin learns how to use the arrow

(50:32):
because he remembers he has an obiWan moment. Yes wait, I'm sorry
the opening credits, I saw himlist the actor listed. I'm like,
how, oh yeah, but that'show because we have an obi Wan moment
and and so it just and thenhe becomes this, Oh that's how I

(50:58):
do it, and it just andit's beautiful. And he does the ballet
with the arrow as if he's beenusing it for hundreds of years. And
and I think that's true of otherswhen they focus on their heart and not
so much with the thinking part ofit, I think it becomes really important.

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And that again, our imperfections arewhat make us perfect because we have
a heart and we have a soul. So yes, rocket has a soul.
Sorry that's my whacked out way ofputting it. Wow, any last

(51:46):
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