MarkWHO42 Celebrates Doctor Who Podcast Day 2023

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Episode Transcript

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Sir, I'm detecting a subspace message. I'll put it on speakers subspace dare
to wonder. Hello, this isPeter Davison and you're listening to marcu forty
two. Hey, everybody, welcometo Marco forty two, and you're here

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for a really special episode because youknow what, uh, Wednesday, August
ninth is Doctor Who Podcast Day,So we're gonna go and you know,
go into our roots and talk DoctorWho. I'm your hosted Duardo m Friar
with me is and Sid Caiross ishere too. We're just trying to get

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him out of a time Eddie rightnow, just give us a moment.
Our showrunner, Mark, the onewho really started our podcast as a Doctor
Who podcast. You'd think he wouldbe on in this episode since we're gonna
be talking Doctor Who, but unfortunatelyhe decided to make his own homemade tartists.
Now he's lost somewhere in the timestream. I think I may have

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found him because I'm running through somehistorical research and apparently there was a gentleman
named Marcus who was put on trialduring the Sale of Witch Trials. According
to we have to get him outof there. Well, according to Yeah,
we may have to figure something outbecause according to this the clergy who
were running the trial, we're notappreciative of his humor. So uh yeah,

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we're gonna, yeah, we're gonnahave to figure a way. We're
gonna figure a way to get himout of there because I'm guessing his dad
jokes just didn't Yeah, they're notworking. Oh dear, We're gonna we're
gonna have to ask uh, wehave to ask somebody, if we have
any listeners in the Salem, Massachusettsarea, if they can find evidence of

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whether or not he uh yeah,whether or not he survived. Oh dear,
but onto, but you know that'sthat's that's something else. Onward and
upward, yep, Onward and upward. Well, well we shall survive.
Uh but yeah, we're Since it'sDoctor Who podcast Day on Wednesday of the

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ninth, you know, we thoughtwe'd talk some Doctor Who specifically, you
know, just talk. You know, we have we do have the sixtieth
anniversary coming up. Um, youknow that's not until November and we're just
starting August. But you know thatthat doesn't mean we can't talk. You
know, some how we got intoDoctor Who and just you know a little
bit, a little bit about historyand stuff like that. Yeah, no,

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no kidding, I mean, butthe thing is is that I mean
even more so because um, itfeels like yesterday that I visited Patricia for
the first time in Reno and wewatched the fiftieth together. Wow, Like
that's how that's how crazy it feels, because like, yeah, I you
know, at the time, trishanI were doing the the long distance thing

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and you know, we um,she had already spent fourth of July with
me. We went, you know, she came down to Florida and uh,
you know, we went to Wewent and we helped Mark do a
convention, and you know, thenI came up here to Reno for like
two weeks. I got to meetyou know, I got to you know,

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I got to spend time with herfamily. You know, went to
Eureka, California for the first forthe first time, and you know,
we also we watched the fiftieth together. Or remember she grabbed you know,
we were wearing you know, doctorwho appropriate. Uh, you know,
we grabbed standy's of Captain Jack andh David Tennon. You know, we

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had Jamie Dodgers and whatnot. Youknow, we sat and we watched the
fiftieth and I still remember we Istill remember we were amazed at you know
when at the you know, nursir, and I jumped off the couch
when Tom Baker did his cameo.Yes, I mean the minute that was

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ten years ago. That was reallyten years ago. Yeah, really ten
years ago. That was really tenyears ago. Now, question for you,
Vicky, I'm putting you on thespot. Okay, uh what okay,
what was like your first uh youknow, into action with doctor Who.

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I remember I was about four orfive years old, and so I
was either living in Fort Benning,Georgia or Dayton, Florida, and my
brother and I found it on PBS. Yep, there you go. And
by the time we lived to FortHood, Texas, and I felt like

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everywhere I lived there was we couldwatch it somewhere. From then on out,
I could find it on usually onPBS everywhere we moved, and we
moved a lot, and it wasjust so we watched them in a wild
jumble mess, no rhyme or reasonor anything. But my brother and I

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still are big actually, most ofmy family is huge into sci fi,
and so it just fit. Andthe first doctor I remember is Tom Baker,
and I just he was quirky,he had a crazy sense of humor.
Fit with me perfectly, and Ijust I wanted to go traveling through

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time and space. I wanted.I just I was like, this would
be fun, you know, evenwith the Cymen and the Daleks and strange
other creatures and the master As.I didn't care. I wanted to go.
I want. I just much.Yep, I feel you. My
first exposure, I was like,I don't know how old. I was

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like a toddler. I was likea little todd I just remember it was.
And I was also PDS like Iremember. It was one of those
things where it's like after I wasdone with school, I'd spend time with
a babysitter and you know, she'dput on PPS, so of course I
get Sesame Streeting, mister Rogers,Yes, And then suddenly Doctor Who would

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come on, and you know yougot the weird music and you know there's
Tom Baker's face in the yes inlike the time tunnel, and it's like,
yeah, I have like vague snippetsof episodes in my head um and
then it's like, yeah, therewas there was a point where, you
know, as I got older,it was a little harder to to like

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keep track, but you know,I'd catch episodes here and there, Like
I do remember when we were livingin Michigan, so I was like maybe
ten eleven years old at the time. We did, you know, my
dad and I were channel surfing andwe did find Doctor Who. We had
got it like with one of thecliffhangers and Brains of Morbids, so you

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know, uh, you know,so so yeah, and then I think,
what what kind of what kind ofdragged me down? And you know,
I've been there ever since? Isabout um oh, I can't believe
I'm about to say this. I'dsay about approximately twenty years ago, give
or take. Um. I Iwas hanging out with a friend of mine

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and he brought over some of theDoctor Who vhs is and we just kind
of did a binge of Doctor Who'sstuff. We did Genesis of the dialex,
we did Planet of the Spiders,we did we did the Centaire and
experiment. So you know that justthat just dragged me in and then um

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and then I remember being like intwo thousand and six, I'm in my
own apartment and I just remember Ihad on TV. You know, the
TV was on. It was youknow, it was on Sci Fi Channel
or something, and you know,I go into my kitchen and then all
of a sudden, I here andgo me up next Doctor Who, and

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I'm like, yeah, I'm sorrywhat you know, I had to you
know, I had to like doa double take, and I'm like,
wait, are they playing the oldepisodes or something? Are they playing the
TV movie? And yeah, thenext thing I know, it's uh,
the episode the End of the World, like the second the second episode of

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season one of the new series,and there's Christopher Eccleston, you know,
telling her, nice to meet you, Rose. Run for your life.
Yeah, Plice, meet Rose,the doctor worked for your life. It's
like, yeah, it's like it'sback and yeah, and I still remember
those days where it's like it cameto the US and we were like a

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year behind. So like, youknow, Doctor came back in two thousand
and five, and it was twothousand and six they were playing the Eccleston
stuff, and then you know thenext year they were playing the David Tennant
you know, first season, andthen like but at some point we SYNCD
up enough that we weren't like behind, right, which was cool because I
mean you imagine everybody knowing about theawesomeness of the fiftieth anniversary and we're behind.

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Like I still I still remember,like when um, Night of the
Doctor. Yeah, when that dropped, which, first of all, I
did find out something very interesting.Night of the Doctor actually dropped a couple
of days early. Oh it didit? Did none? Do you know
why? Now? It dropped earlybecause the apparently BBC found out there was

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going to be a leak. Whatthey decided, what they decided was to
was to drop it early so thatthat way you didn't have people being like,
oh, low cool, Propagand's back. It's like instead, it's hey,
we're dropping Night of the Doctor early, and yes, what oh Propagand's
box. So you know, ifanyone was gonna leak it, they're now

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sitting there and they're like, damnit. Yeah, my plans have been
thwarted. But yeah, I stillremember. I remember. That's another one.
That's another great Patricia memory because shetexts me. She texts me and
she says, get online right now, and I'm just like okay. So

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she had sent me the link.I opened the link, and then you
know, I start the thing andthen you get you know, Magan showing
up and going I'm the doctor,but probably not the one you're expecting.
I had to pause it. Ihad to pause, and then I had
to like channel my inner David tendantand go what what what? And then

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you know, I also think,I think, I repeat, I don't
remember what I sent to my wife. But also at the end, you
know, at the end where heregenerates and you know, doctor no More,
I'm just like, oh my god, I can't believe it. I

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think that, you know, we'veentered the phase where because I remember hearing
when David Tennant became the Doctor abouthow he was a fan growing up and
he's my age, maybe a littleyounger than me. And it's like,
isn't it weird when suddenly the peoplewho are the fans in the seventies and

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the eighties are now the people behindthe modern versions of Doctor Who. It
just kind of throws you for aloop, because first of all, it
starts to talk about how old wereally are, and and then it's the
fact that the show has now beenaround long enough that this generation grew up

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well, actually this generation grew upwatching the new version the verse. The
new version was created by people whogrew up watching the sixties, seventies,
and eighties versions. And it justafter a while, and we talk about
Timey Whiney, Holy crud. Itjust it's so wild that something. You

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know, we talk about Star Trekthis way too. You know, You've
got this little show that started backin the sixties, and it was it
was always designed to be a kidshow. Although I feel like they always
had when I say mature themes,I don't mean like grand theft auto mature

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themes. But they talked to thekids straight. They didn't dumb it down.
Even the earliest versions of Doctor Who, none of it was ever dumbed
down. As a matter of fact, it was rather educational. Some of
it not always the most accurate,but but it just it was kind of

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cool the way it had its littleIt was always a good fun show with
its deep moments. You know,I you know, I was gonna say,
I mean, yeah, I wassupposed to be family viewing and a

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quote unquote kids show, but thiswas a kids show that had adventures like
the Aztecs. Yes, that's exactlythe one I was thinking about too were
the doctor you know, I meanit's like, well, first of all,
you have them visiting Aztec times,but there's no monster. It's not
like you had some alien being pretendingto be quisicaddle. Uh, you know,

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it was just no monster, andthe doctor just basically going, look,
yeah, the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice. Yeah, they did this.
You know, we're not you know, but we're not like I can't judge
by you know, yeah, wecan't judge by today's standards, and we
cannot mess around with the time stream. You know, we can't screw up

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uh, you know, time andspace according to how you know things were
with the Aztecs because our modern sensibilitiesare hurt. Like, we can't do
that. We can't mess around withthat absolutely. I mean yeah, you
know the sets were the sets werenot exactly now Oscar caliber as it were,
you know, unfortune. Yeah,all of most TV shows at that

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time, they were the walls moveda little bit. Yeah. Well the
magic didn't always function yep. Andyou know we didn't we didn't have to.
Um, you know, we didhave moments where you know, we
did have things where yes, thisthis obviously Aztec looking actor is really from

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Sheffield, Yes, and he looksso much like an Aztec kids, it's
like, um, not really.But you know, I have to say
for the typical content of the time, when you look at the sixties and
you look at TV shows, theywere actually still very very progressive considering and

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certainly believe in some of the fairthat you could get on typical American UM
TVs if it wasn't for PBS.And I just have to say that PBS
in the in the sixties and theseventies that gave a Sesame Street Electric Company,
and thank you very much, DoctorWho. American audiences probably would have

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never been exposed to Original Who ifit wasn't for the fact that as far
back as the sixties they were coveringepisodes and almost every place you went you
could find Doctor Who on your localPBS channel. Yep, yep, yep,
and hey, uh you know,not to not to interrupt, not

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to interrupt, but you know what, good news. Uh. Still don't
track down Mark yet, although itdoes look like he might now be an
ancient egypt I think that hieroglyphic doeslook like it's wearing his glasses. Um,
we do what I'm Zion. Weactually, hey, Zion, glad
to see you made it. Hwe we we worried about you being trapped

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in that time Eddie, and we'vebeen we've been working to try to get
you out. Looks like it didwork. Are are you sure I did
something? I wouldn't leave the doctoralone so he made that face. Oh

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well, you know what, aslong as okay, as long as you
didn't, like, you know,use time travel for your own selfish,
selfish ends and get like a holein your head that can open up when
somebody snaps their fingers. We're all. If you did that, I'm gonna
have to I'm gonna have to.Yeah, I'm gonna have to. Uh,
I'm gonna have to give you thenumber from my customers surgency about let's

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see about closing that up. Iprobably going let's have to call Booster Gold
or something. But but he probablystay out of because it is the doctor.
I don't worry. We'll figure somethingout. I have I have,

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I have Rip Hunter's number on speeddial. At least I think this is
a number. I'm not sure.I'll have to try it out later.
But yeah, getting back to whatwe were talking about Doctor Who's sixty years
our experiences with Doctor Who? Um, I think the other thing. Anyone

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who you know, anyone who's beena fan of MARKU forty two since the
very very beginning, you know aboutWow about a decade ago. You know,
we we tried to start things offand make it kind of almost you
know radio playsh and take on characteryou know, character names and stuff,

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And I have to admit part ofme was inspired. M thinky. I
know you're a big comics person.Do you remember the old Powerman and Iron
Fist comics from like the seventies andeighties? Yeah, well that was a
long time ago. Yeah, butdo you remember there was a character named

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Professor Alphonse Gamble? Do you rememberhim? Oh? Hang on, I'm
accessing the recesses of my mind.It sounds really familiar. What did he
do? Professor Gamble showed up likein a couple of issues. You know,
he's shown up in a couple ofcomics here and there. But essentially

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he he is a doctor who pastiche. He's like a pastiche of the doctor.
Uh. You know, he hasa time traveling house that can change
appearance that is supposedly bigger on theinside and he actually, um, he
actually has like his you know,arch Nemesis are a group of time traveling

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robots called Incinerators that roll around onthe ground and keep yelling incinerate, incinerate.
Oh my gosh that who does thatsound like? You would think that
I would remember that character a coupleof times. I know that in I

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know that in later appearance, theyactually linked him to the TBA from Loki,
you know, from what we knowto be the location. Interesting they
actually linked it, you know,they actually linked him tom They said,
you know, he was a memberof the TVA. So it's like,
so, yeah, you know,I guess, I guess, Hey,

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you can't have the time Lords,but you know we do have something close.
Oh that's right. Yeah, ohwow tv A. Yeah, it's
funny. Things start to mention yourmind. After a while you start to
get old and adult, which Imay have crossed over, I know,
But I also know I remember Imentioned this a few times. I don't

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know if I went last time Idid. But I also know that the
Simpsons, I know The Simpsons hashad some Doctor Who references, and there
were a couple of times when theyactually when they actually had Doctor who he
was represented by Tom Aker, orat least tom Akers version of the Doctor.
Like there was the episode with SideshowBob threatening to launch a nuclear bomb

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unless unless they got rid of television. And I remember there was at one
point where you know, you havea bunch of people in a war room
and it's like, oh, weneed to bring in the esteemed representatives of
television. And you know, therewas an older look you know, there
was an older looking gentleman who lookedlike hercle. And then yeah, there
was Tom Baker, you know tomBaker's doctrine. I remember that uh Simpson's

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Treouse War Halloween special where you've hadBarton Lisa gets superpowers. One of the
one of the people held captive byyou know, the compet store guy as
the bad guy was again Tom Bakers. Also had um that um that stllar
special from Family Guy where those travelingthrough hyperspace and it ended up just being

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being toma a Tom Bakers intro andall, Yeah, that was cool.
And I know, I think Iwant to say there was an episode of
the Simpsons that it was kind ofmaking fun of, you know, had
like a scene that made fun oflove actually styled wrong Coms and it actually

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had you know, people were thendancing in Parliament and you had the tart
you know, the tart Is actuallyshowed up and then Rioston Churchill i think,
walked out and started breakdancing, andit's like, oh wow, that's
like another Doctor Who reference. Butyeah, there's a lot of It's kind

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of funny because there were some peoplewho if they haven't seen Doctor Who until
the news series, UM, eitherbecause of the generational split or because they
just weren't exposed to it. It'skind of funny how many pop culture references
to Doctor Who exists between Simpsons andFuturama and Family Guy and and the number

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of TV shows, including ones thatdon't have any connection directly with other British
shows, but you know, thenumber of places that um I read somewhere
there was this like, you know, instead of finding the Mickey Head in
Disneyland, it's find the dalec invarious TV shows. Oh yeahs ourselves,

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yep, and you know, andon that note though, on that note,
though, we do, okay,we do. You know, we're
here on subspace and we do unfortunatelyhave commercials, but we are going to
commercial but when we come back,maybe we will do more Spot the doctors,
spot the dalec in the daleks.Yeah, well, you know,

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go go go to your you know, you know, go take a break,
you know, go to the fridge, go to the water closet,
and we'll be right back live thirtyfour. Don't go, don't go,
Mark after this? Uh stand byHouston Layer Receiving signals from subspace. You

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are listening to Mark Who forty twosUniverse. Hey what do you? Welcome
back to Mark and forty two onstep Space Radio as we celebrate Doctor Who
Podcast Day, which is on Wednesday, August ninth. Um. You're most
of Dwargling Friar and I'm here withNicky Jake about skis is ion kiros uh
Mark update apparently he I have apicture looks like a painting, uh,

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taken from a sketch at Gettysburg.And I think I see Mark. I
think I see Mark. He's rolledup in the ball us that supposed to
be tears or is it just thedrawings that bad? No? No,
if it if it is, ifit is what it is? Yeah,
he's crying like a baby. Hehe's he's in the getting spur exhibit in

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the Space Museum. Oh okay,I am so sorry you are stuck there.
You know, hopefully hopefully he canget out, and you know,
hopefully the fact that I've found him, hopefully, you know, well's no
longer on trial with the Salem Witches, so he's a he's a little yeah.
But but then again, then again, I mean, did he go

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to get Iburg before cinem or after? It's like, that's that's the problem
with time travel. Never in astreet line, you'll you'll run into somebody.
You'll run into somebody and you'll belike, it's you and they'll be
like, I've never met you before, and then all of a sudden,
you know, but then it's like, you know, yeah, you you

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you would have run into them liketwo months ago, and they'll just be
like, oh, yes, MickeyChikobowski, how are you. And you'll
be like, I'm sorry, whoare you. They'll just be like,
You'll say that now, yeah,that's just that's just annoying. But you
know, what isn't what is itannoying and kind of fun before we went

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on, you know, before wedid our our little break so that everybody
could grab you know, grab adrink, grab some food, head to
the restroom. Before that we weretalking, you said, yeah, the
joys of playing games like stop thedollec and things like that. Um,

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you of course spotted the dollar andthe obvious one right, which was reg
rats No, yeah, in oneepisode. That's fun when you have those
little one off they it's kind oflike, um, I've noticed that with
with other characters where you'll have themyou kind of wonder, is it set

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dress dressers of the TV show orthe movie? Are they the fans?
Was a joke? I mean,I understand that as far back as The
Avengers, not the Marvel but theAvengers, the British TV show. There
was a shot am appeal in thein the Black spandex yep and there was

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Dolic toys on a shelf in atoy shop and I read that. I
was like, that is the funniestthing because you wouldn't think about it,
but because it is Even people whoare not as well versed in Doctor Who,
some of the characters people recognize them. They may not remember where they
recognize them from. But prior tothe reboot, you know, it was

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all over the place, and youkind of gotta really like that. You
know, the comic company IDW,which you know, did have the Doctor
who licensed for a little you know, for a little while. In fact,
they had it during the fiftieth anniversaryand they did that a great um
mini series of Prisoners in Time.Um. They actually Larry Hamah came back

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to write a Gi Joe comic thatstep from where his Marvel Run left off.
But the roles you know, recurringcharacter who actually you know, ran
things from like a little you know, curio shop and she had a full
size artist like in the shop.And it led to like a secret a

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secret room and that showed up atleast a couple of issues. You know,
we had the little tartest thing andyou know, the demon Granny that
was her name, you know,she led you know, a couple of
the chose into the secret room andit was that was fun. That was
like a fun little, you know, fun little easter egg. It shows
that even you know something as asyou know g I Joe, even that

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has like a talk of blue reference. But we missed the biggest one,
I said, in terms of ipsUm. Okay, and louis back in
action during the Dollar right front.Instead far as Actually, as far as

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I know, I think that's theonly one that that actually moves. I
think it's it was as exterminated orsomething along. Yeah, I think actually,
and correct me if I'm wrong,But yeah, Daleks also strew up
in um the Lego Batman movie.Yes, oh yeah, now okay,
now I know with that wrong.Uh, they kind of had to,

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you know, they they kind ofhad to do some wriggling around because they
don't call them Daleks. They callthem British robots. Yeah, but I
do believe they do, you know, but I do believe it's obvious that
they're Daleks, and I do thinkthey do say exterminate. I think we
do have the like they be alicense for a Lego, don't they.

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Yeah, yeah, you know,it might just it might just be I
mean, it might just be that, like they had the license to the
boys. But you know, havingthem actually in a movie is like a
different thing, you know, it'sit's involved. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Well, I mean, hey,you know, um, let's not

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you know, let's not forget thatfor the longest time. Uh, you
know, James Bond could use uhBluefeld, so you know, we didn't
have and hey, the last andthen you know, before that, the
last time that Bluefeld showed up,you know, was a kind of a
bit of an embarrassing cameo at thebeginning of For Your Eyes Only, Yeah,

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and Stainless. Still it's like,wow, that's uh yeah, yeah,
that is not the best way forthe leader of to go. But
it's clear that Doctor Who has gotthis influence. Oh yeah, and even
people who are not huge fans.It's just it's it's kind of gotten everywhere.

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The same way you'll see a lotof things with Star Trek. Again,
here you've got a science fiction showthat started in the sixties and has
had a long reach beyond what mostpeople, well nobody would have predicted at
the time, but especially for somethingthat like clipped its way to three seasons.

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Yeah, it's like yeah, no, And you know the other thing,
you know, the other thing thatgets me is um, you know,
it just yeah, it's like inmany ways, in many ways,
I mean I think Doctor Who,you know, you do the comparison with
Star Trek. In many ways,I think Doctor Who even surpassed Star Trek
because it's like, yeah, youknow, it started off as this little,

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you know, cheesy black and Whiteshow that ended up lasting over to
the decades. And you know,it didn't just when it ended, It
didn't just fade into obscurity. Itlike it stayed in the public consciousness and
then actually managed to get itself revived. And the revival is still going on

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strong. We're getting we're gonna getto the point where we're hit one years
of new now that we could.You know, it's I mean hopefully,
hopefully we will get to a pointwhere not the match looked not surpass Old

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Woo in terms of time on ouron our TV screens. Wow. I
mean that is something that is somethinglike holy cow. We actually like like
knew who right now? And Idesitate to use the word uu. I
mean, I don't even know ifmodern us a word we can use.

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Imagine. You know, we're gonnaget to a point where, yeah,
if if you can last a coupleof more seasons, you know, two
thousand twenty five, it worked aroundfor twenty years. It was in twenty
years since Christopher eccleston showed up inthat department store where Billy Piper's Rose Tyler

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worked. I mean that is justthat is like holy cow. Um,
yeah, and I just want tomove about something right, right yeah.
Everything that we just said right yeah, only applies to this show because I
want apply something. You have StarWars right the start off right off Rick,

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because don't check the starts off withsalt monster right um um um twice
twice. I don't started with withwith fun along space madness. This show
is about a man and her daughterand his granddaughter in a police box and

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to the dawn of man how todeal a fire. And here we are
still dealing because I've not fought asingle shot still in all this time,
I don't think. I'm almost certainthe tardist has not fired a single shot
a finger, laser blast, whatever, blast. That's not fighter. It's

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completely peaceful travel machine. The Doctorshow show you have times where like Tom
Maker does snap a neck and likeand um but we does shoot something out
of existence. Sure, but likefrom ninety nine point nine percent of it,
he's a pacifist. He tries todo turn. You have a Chicken

(36:00):
show that there's other ways to bedone, because let's all be honest.
Here we've we've seen to be willbe done. The Doctor can pop a
start like it's a balloon, butyou know also, I mean you you
bring up a good points on youknow, one of the things about the
Doctor, even even when he doesn'tyou know, even when he doesn't turn
the other cheek, even when hedoesn't try to like keep things peacefully,

(36:23):
he's mainly about outsmarting his enemy.You know, he's mainly about out thinking
them, you know. And hestarted playing you know, he's about you
know, he's about playing chess whenyou know his enemies are playing checkers,
or even if they are playing chess, you know, he's playing three dimensional
chess. Yeah. Yeah, hehas like moves planned out. You know.

(36:46):
Well, well, you know,well his enemies are you know,
all his enemies think they have himoutsmarted, or even if they do are
smarted, it just kicks the Doctorlike a minute to catch up and be
like, oh wait a minute,wait a minute, way they didn't do
this. Excuse me while I explainthat. You know, that's the thing.
He's such a great unique hero becauseit's not about having a laser gun

(37:08):
and you know, shipping the alien. You know, it's about like it's
about taking this alien, you know, this wit an alien and then being
like would you make a journey?Baby? You know, it's about saying
things like he's so delightfully violent,you know. It's also and it's the

(37:30):
fact that, like, um,it's weird that the Tartest of course is
designed as a police box now right, but we can literally say that it
has taken the image like the policebox is no longer the police box is
a target. It is the target, and then what is the tartest It

(37:51):
is a nineteen cities police box becausenow we live in twenty twenty two and
there's no more police boxes around.So it's literally became in essence its own
thing, like on on, unlessyou like reference back and starts, like
for example, like you have themillion falcon, it's just a million falcon.
You have the Enterprise, and it'sthe enterprise, and you had to

(38:13):
make the enterprise and you had tomake them million falcon. But the target
someone was I promise you. Someonewas talking along the street start and said,
that's it, there's our space ship. And they still really who with
it? They jokes like that's yourpolice that's your space ship. Yes,
And still to this day, fiftyplus sixty plus years later, somehow they

(38:34):
made the police box cool. Likesometimes I look at it and I get
goosebumps, and that made a zerosense. But this show made it sound
somehow that the police box is oneof the coolest things to ever exist.
And it takes a very very veryvery unique and good show to do that.
Yeah. No, and it's andit's actually one of those things.

(38:58):
I mean, it's become a rightsymbol and it's something that is just so
One of the things is it's alsoa symbol of how uniquely British this show
is, because police boxes are Britishand they're not you know, it's it's
you don't have them in America,you don't have them anywhere else. It

(39:21):
shows the show's roots, and it'sbecome it's become actually, you know,
the police box has become a partof you know, just the iconography of
the show to the point where it'slike you associated police box more with this
science fiction fantasy show. Can youdo with its actual function? Yes,
And it's it's say like it's literallystuck that way now, like so like

(39:46):
these show us wants you to say, yeah, it's it was stuff like
that. But then they changed itand like I think a kind of assireman
and everyone said no, put itback, change it back right now?
Great that community circuit kid bro brokeit again, and here we are,
And I promise you, if anywriter decided to do it again, it

(40:07):
will never happen again, because no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, thefans, the fans actually get what
work there. Yeah, yeah,no, no, no, I think
it's it's yeah, thats the Chameleoncircuit. It's yeah. I think everybody,
everybody in universe and out, Ihave like no problems with the Chameleon

(40:30):
certain circin being busted. They're alllike, yeah, no, it's become
too iconic. They couldn't change itnow if they wanted to. Yeah,
which again, I don't think.I don't think anybody wants to. I
don't. I don't think you canfind a single like, I don't think
you could find a single person whowas familiar with the show, who's a

(40:50):
fan of the show, who wouldever want to fix that bus the Chameleon
circuit box. Yeah, yeah,no, no, Like, I think
the only the only time you'd Ithink you would ever run into somebody would
want to fix the Chameleon circuit.Who'd want to fix that is somebody who's
not familiar with the show. We'dwant to be like, oh, you

(41:14):
know, you know, well,you know, like it's one of those
things. I mean, this ismy cynic coming out. You know.
I could see you know, someHollywood exactly like they want to do an
American version of Doctor Who, andthey'll be like, well, you know,
some people might not be familiar withan English police box, so why
do only do this And it's like, no, yeah, no, I

(41:38):
don't know anything to do that.Yeah. No, It's one of those
things. It's it's one of thosethings like I have like a list of
stuff that should never be remade,never be tinkered with. One of those
Godfather, and I would say anotherone is Doctor the other one is Doctor
Do Like it doesn't need an Americanfirst and an American No, no,

(42:00):
because it's just it's just so unique. It's so it's it's just so you
know, it doesn't need like uniqueis too often there's these thoughts of oh,
well we have this formulus, nowwe're going to either translate it to
American or just well we're going tocapture on that. And while they were

(42:20):
able to do um you know talkingabout um um offshoots, we've got of
course the Torchwood series and the SarahJane Chronicle series, which did very well,
but they were both short term becausethey could never replace Doctor. They
could add to it, they couldbe you know, I know Torchwood was

(42:45):
that three or four seasons, includingthe one done by HBO. Uh Stars,
there were stars that did Miracle wasit stars? Yeah? And then
you know yeah, and then SarahJane probably could have gone on longer if
it wasn't for the death. Yes, yeah, but at least see those

(43:09):
you know, those were like thosewere spin offs exactly. I don't think
you can replicate this exactly. Idon't think that, you know, I
know, we are in the worldof everything's a reboot or uh continuing saga

(43:30):
or just the When they brought itback in the early two thousands, I'd
like to point out it was broughtback by fans, fans like us,
who weren't looking to change it.Um. They did bring it into the

(43:51):
current century. Um, And theydid an exceedingly good job, and they're
doing it an exceedingly good job.And I think that it just too many
times people want to tinker with aformula or tinker with you know what.
The general gist of something is.But then you have these shows that have

(44:13):
been around for years, decades,whatever, and people keep coming back to
them because people like that, andjust you know, not everyone who is
a new who fan likes the oldseries the sixties won. Some of them
are definitely hard to get through becauseyou look at it and you go,

(44:35):
oh, a little clunky, butnot all of them, and a lot
of people can enjoy the older serieseven if they don't like it as much
as they like the new series,and vice versa. Yeah no, and
it's you know, and it's likeyou also talk about you know or need
to you know, it's like justthe need, the need to tinker.

(45:00):
A couple of examples. I knowthat in ninety oh man, I'm saying
ninety eight, we did have anadaptation of British Avengers. It started,
uh, I know, it startedum well fines as oh I forgot yes

(45:21):
and yeah yeah, and then wehad Uma Thurman as m appeal and they
should have been fine, but theyweren't. Yeah no, they well well,
I mean I don't felt the casting. It's just I don't know something
about it was just something about filmdidn't translate and didn't you know, capture
I feel like they were trying tomake a blockbuster and this Yeah it was

(45:45):
a nice slow bird. Yeah.Yeah, they were focused. I think
it's like they were focused much onthe idea of, well, we catch
Uma Thurman and we can't wait toget her in the black cat suit.
You know. Yeah, um,you know the which which is not a
ad. It's just that it's onething that's perfect rad right, It's one
thing that's part of a raad whole. So you know that's the yeah,

(46:08):
wrong, wrong focus. The otherthing I would say is you know having
The other thing I would say isGodzilla in like the same year. Yeah,
that you know, we tried todo let's do an American Godzilla and
it's like people hated the look andyou know, it turned into a Jurassic

(46:30):
Park clone. It's like, hey, we've got a giant monster movie.
Oh, let's have a scene wherewe have the Godzilla is running around Madison
Square Garden. It's like, why, you know, you're trying to reinvent
the wheel when not necessarily fine?You know, when nobody said the wheel
needed to be reinvented. I meanit kind of it. It speaks volumes

(46:57):
that the ninety eight Godzilla. Well, first of all, that the Japanese
are like, okay, in ouryou know, in our little continuity,
it's a separate creature named Zilla.And then I believe, I believe it
was Godzilla final rulers that Zilla showsup in the beginning and gets it,

(47:17):
but like thoroughly kicked yes before youthat time. Does anyone who want to
top of ball favorite episodes? Um? Oh jeez, oh man, that's
always hard for me. Yeah,no, me too, because there's so
many. I would say, okay, all right, all right, if

(47:38):
we I would say, okay,classics series. If I want to choose
one, I'd say Genesis of theDaleks. Yeah. If I had to
choose modern, I'm gonna go,this isn't really an episode per se,
but you know what, I'm goingto count it, I would say Day

(47:59):
of the Doctor. Oh for me, Um, we've got about singular episodes
and not um storylines. The SpaceMuseum part one, I think that's hanly
the best episode of Doctor Who inall of the series stories. I this

(48:20):
is just a personal thing, butgreatest show in the gallops. That story
is absolutely bonkers. Yeah, butthen we got clowns are blown up by
the seventh Doctors less okay, butstill it's like having a clown driving around

(48:43):
in a hearse. It's like,yeah, let's ratchet that up. Let's
ratchet that up to a limit.Um, well we do. We do
have that scene where the doctor walksaway from the exploding tent like a box.
Yes, it was only one shot. They only had enough for that,
and he couldn't flinch, so he'sjust been a flinch yep. Oh

(49:09):
yeah, no, definitely, Umlike you, Vicky, Well, I
agree. Genesis of the Daleks isone of my favorites, if not my
top favorite, from um, theclassic series. It's just the I talk
about deep themes and and everything else, and then it gets really hard in

(49:32):
the in the New Who because Ilike some for different reasons. Um,
the Shakespearean Code because my first degreeis in William Shakespeare, and so that's
a very near and dear to myheart and the meaning of words and how
they can impact things. But Imean, oh, it's it's just it

(49:55):
gets really hard and then I'm notgonna lie. And of course it's the
least two won out there. Butit's blink because it's so well done.
The only thing that's bad about itis it doesn't have enough of the doctor
in it, so yeah, yeah, it is. It is Okay,

(50:15):
it is a Doctor light, butit's very Doctor Who. But it's very
Doctor Who. And the more Ihear stories about the making of it,
and like David Tennant just had hislines. He didn't know what the answers
to or what the questions he wasanswering was when he was making the clip
that becomes the video in it.I mean, it's just it's cool stuff,

(50:36):
and it's just it's well written,it's well acted. And even though
I don't like every episode of everyDoctor Who ever, because some of them
are weak, I have found somethingto enjoy or like about everything. I
have liked on some level every Doctorwhich is weird, and I do like

(50:59):
some more than others. It's justalways going to be that way. The
fact that I can sit there andwatch even the ones that I don't enjoy
as much, I can still haveit on. You know, I got
Ritt Box and I just put onthe classic series. I have several on
DVD. I have all the NewWho on DVD, and I can just

(51:19):
say, Okay, it's gonna beon. Why I'm working. I can
look up and laugh or go,oh my god, I forgot about that,
and I just I love that becauseit's it's it's like a comfort food.
Doctor Who is a comfort food tome. Yep, and you know
what on that note, that note, that's a great note um that unfortunately

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