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But hey, why did I makethat reference? What? Because you know
today we're gonna be talking Star Wars. Now if you think we're gonna be
talking Asoka, hang on a second, we are not talking Asoka. Why?
Well, because the last episode asof this, you know, as
of this recording, the last episodeis gonna be h this coming Tuesday,
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So you have to show was notfinished yet. And you know what,
I don't know about anybody else,but I am not the typic guy to
review a show that's not done yet. So yeah, we're gonna We're gonna
instead, you know what, asa pretty quel so to speak to our
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toy review of ASOCA, going overStar Wars programs that you may want to
have some knowledge of before you gointo ah Soca. Hopefully you already too.
Yeah, we're gonna be going overClone Wars and Rebels, who shows
that Aska was a part of beforeshe got her own show, even before
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she appeared on The Mandalorian. Andeverybody was like, yeah, so I
think, first off, I thinkwhat's important is show And how many people
here uh actually watched the Wars andRebels me, me, me, oh,
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there we go. I actually sawsmatterings of episodes of Balthy, Like,
if that makes any sense, youknow, immend watching the whole thing
all the way through at least.Yeah, I mean I think I think
the I do know, I doknow. The first tooka came out.
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You know, there were a coupleof places online that we're like, oh,
uh, you know, we haveyou know, here's a list of
what you should see for you doSOCA. And as well as that is,
you know, it's really cool andalso I mean because it's like yeah,
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you want to watch the whole thing. But you know, also there's
a thing, there's such a thingas time, Yes, like do we
really have you know, don't wereally have you know, don't really have
time to watch all these because Iknow that you know both that was in
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Clone rollers are you know that they'reboth half you know, they're both like
half hour. Thinks it's still tough. So I like what they came out
with a list. In total,there's two high and eight episodes between Clone
Wars and Rebels. Yeah, thatsounds like between twenty and thirty minutes each
of I remember, yes, justabout yeah. So it's like to me,
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you know, I hear that,and it's like, okay, as
long as that is, that's stilla bunch of stuff you have to you
know, it's still like going througha bunch of stuff. And it's like,
holy cow. I mean, youknow, it's one thing if you
have you know, it's one thingif you have the time of the luxury.
It's another when it's like, holycow, how are we gonna you
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know, how are we gonna getthrough Atlas? You know, especially it's
like okay, maybe maybe maybe maybeuh you know, you you know,
there's no other shows that you don'tyou're watching, so you're like, oh,
okay, I have time, right, that's like that's still just like,
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I mean, how many you knowyou have to basically shotgun episodes once
a you know, like every singleday, and that's still kind of that
still feels difficult. Yes, Likeeven for me going through it the first
time, it took like at leasttwo or three months because I was just
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watching like one, one or twoepisodes a night, and it just moved
on because again it's two hundred andeight episodes and spread and spread across six
movies that you also have have towatch because these all lead up to the
movies. Yes, like that too, I would say, well, okay,
I would to say that a apositive as far as you know,
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as far as a soacas concern isthat since she wasn't like a major part
of the movies, you know,she wasn't even in the movies at all,
because she wasn't even created yet,you really don't have to watch the
movies. And plus casual fans,you know, it's I'm sure that there
are casual fans, know, youknow, as far as the movies are
concerned, Oh, yeah, CloneWars and Anakin came to Guy Vader.
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But then you see, now nowwe can finally get into it. The
casual fans only have two and three. But then Lucas made made the Clone
Wars cartoon in the movie and whattwo thousand and eight or seven. I
remember when it came out, andI thought, I was like, wait,
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these guys didn't even let Anakin becomea master. How does he have
a padawan? And just threw itaside until it actually mattered. Yeah,
and here we are, and solike, yeah, it's like now you
have to double back and kind ofwatch the first movie, but not really
all of it, like essentially,like there's the rest of the movie has
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to do like a kid hut.Like for the most part of Clone Wars,
for like the movie and season oneand up to summer season two is
very kiddy. It's very kid oriented. So you gotta let it breathe a
little bit, like think about it. Like Star Trek season one and two
are rough. We get the seasonthree, then we're getting somewhere. But
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Clone Wars kind of picks up atseason two but pertending to Asoka. Season
one is pretty much her beginning panalone stuff and nothing like like like quana
qua quand class and more. Andthis ties into a soca is the the
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Wilofs campaign in season one and inthere she since we're in the Clone Wars
and these Jedi are generals, wenow have a padawan and guess what the
padawan is now given command of thisthis this campaign and she blows it up.
Yes, and and like my thingis? Is this right? It's
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interesting once you think about it,because you're sending a ten year old to
pretty much do a grown man's job, a trained person's job. What else
were you expecting? But like interms of Asoka, like it's a growing
point. Like once once he's inhere, she she thinks she knows it
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all, but she doesn't know itall, and clearly she the whole thing
falls apart, and then she growsand realizes I need to grow and honestly,
there's no better I'd see teach himfor this. Then Anakin gave the
person that lost his hand because hejust ran into something and said, screwt.
H Well, I found it interestingbecause I thought of when when I
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saw it the first time, whatit made me think of was a very
young George Washington who as a teenagerand received his first command and it ended
horribly and haunted him for the restof his life. And it just it
was so similar in you know,a real life historical situation. And I
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can't help but wonder how much GeorgeLucas and and Dave Filoni were thinking of
that when because so much of Iknow George Lucas is a huge history buff
and has based so much of hiscreations on things that he's learned in history,
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and it just you just kind ofwonder that these major turning points in
people who later became great. Now, of course, George Lucas has said
that he hadn't decided to have aSuka being a long term character at this
point. He wasn't necessarily going tohave her last very long. And it
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was Dave who said, no,no, no, we need to develop
her and keep her going. Zion. I do want to you know,
I do want to ask you something. See if you know this because the
Crown Wars animated film, which correctlyif I'm wrong, but isn't that where
we get introduced to a circa Yes, yes you okay, the Coron Wars
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animated Okay, the Clone Wars animatedfilm. M is it is it cannon
or is it kind of one ofthese outlier type of things? No,
no, yea, so it is? Okay, so it is because that's
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I think that's also part of thepart of the thing is how much of
it is you know, like howmuch is cannon? And how much is
you know, like, yeah,how much? How much is cannon?
Because when Disney, you know,when Disney over stall Wars and decided to
hit uh I don't want to saythe reset button a little bit, a
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little bit, but yeah, whenthey decided to you know, basically do
their own thing, you know,do their own continuity. And you know
we have with the Legends Cannon asit were. My thing is just trying
to figure out what is and whatisn't you know? What is? What
is in Cannon is? You know, you have things like that's like for
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example, uh, you know anotherexample, Air to the Empire, Right,
is it Canton or not? Right? Okay? It actually stated that
that one is actually listed as aLegends now versus and and and that's where
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it gets frustrating. And I thinkall of us agree that it's like you
almost have to look at the magiclist produced by Disney is what's a Legends
and what's a Cannon, And thenyou have all these things in between that
haven't been officially given a title,and then it's like, okay, just
make up your mind. Is itLegends, is it Cannon. Tell Us
actually did defined this through through thattitle Legends, seeing you know, Air
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to the Empire, that whole trilogyback in the nineties is now deemed as
Legends because we now can't cannically haveno Luke's Luke Skywalker going out of the
fighting throne. Now we have acirca fighting throne. But so in the
context of Clone Wars, when whenDisney acquired a Star Wars, it was
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during I think what season five ofthe Clone Wars or season four, and
that's when they decided to ax it, and the leftover episodes that they had
after that acquisition were aired i thinkin Canada and goot for the episodes with
Yoda and and him talking to twoold Seth and such, and so with
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this new Cannon, they pretty muchtook all the Clone Wars because now they
continued the Clone Wars with with withthe with the Netflix series and pretty much
said okay, everything that was madeof this show of Clone Wars two thousand
and eight is cannon from from seasonone, from the movie onwards, because
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in there in the movie Asoka Isis found by Plo Kun and they run
with that throughout the entire series.And didn't they take the Canadian episodes And
isn't that what Netflix produced as thelost episodes or the lost missions? Yes?
Yes, yes, that that thatI think is what season five or
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six? But yes that now?Yes? Yeah? But but quick thing
back to right lost And here's aninteresting thing in there. There's there is
that there's a general in the rightlob thats in the that's the inhabitants.
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That's pretty much the president running thetheme and canotically he is Sarah's father,
right his name is John? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm when you're
going in troubles and you will seehim again, and I swear you you
look at him and you say itwas in them, it wasn't there.
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I don't know. Didn't Haro likenot rebels, But didn't we have like
a young Hera recently, like youthink in Bad Batch or something? Yes,
yes, I enough fo I enoughfamiliar with bad Bass because I don't
even really watched it, but Iknow about the young Hara. It interesting
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enough, there is a young twillicin in some episode of Right Loss,
and you can say that this wasthe idea that maybe spawned hera because it's
an undan child. But like she'sgreen and she's a twilic, So like
you you you kind of connected,but it's not connectally said that it is
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Harah. So that's why I saythat is the idea that's spawned hera.
Okay, So basically, are yousaying like it's kind of like it's kind
of like how some people are sayingthat the old the you know, the
with the light hair in Jedi,maybe the recks, Yes, m hm,
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yes, something along those lines.Yeah. You guys want to talk
about witches. Yeah, which isI'm gonna I'm gonna take a I'm gonna
take about stab and say you're referencingthe witches of Datham. Yes, yes,
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yes, yeah, which we do. We have seen that. Yeah,
we have seen that. They youknow a little bit of a little
type of thing for Asca. Yeah, they the witches of Dathomer do park
park. Well you're gonna have towait till next week. Yeah, yeah,
so we are sipping a little bitpass past all of the seasons two
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again in a vacuum, you wantto watch all the clone Wars. But
since we're on the accelerated track,we're jumping ahead. This is I mean,
you know, again, the wholefor this episode to talk about stuff
that informs the Asca series. Soyeah, we maybe we may be skipping
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a couple of little things here andthere, because well, like, for
example, I know that with theRebels, you know, I know that
I remember the Wedge. You know, we had Young Wedge, but so
far Rige Antillies has nothing to dowith a Sooka. So sorry, guys,
we're not going to talk about theappearance of Young Wedge. Yeah,
sorry, sorry about that. Imean, I love, believe me,
Wedg is one of my favorite likeside characters, and I cheered when he
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showed that the Rise of Skywalker.But yeah, I'm sorry. In season
three, in in episodes twelve tofourteen, we get a more an actual,
in depth introduction to the nine Sistersof Dath, women who are headhaded
by the head mass of the headWitch. We the Tousing, and they
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are really interesting because they're really givento you as your standard witches, but
there's more to it, like theirmagic is the force essentially, yes,
it is a manipulation of both lifeside and dark side of the Force.
If I'm not getting wrong, Iapize if I am, But as far
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as I know, it is theForce, and so would you look at
the force in in Sithe and Jediforms, you get a very like normal
sense of things. But then yougo into magics and you get resurrections,
you get dolls, and among possessionsyou can buff people up like how they
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did in this episode. We foundthis character called a mom Savage o Press
who ends up being a brother ofMaul of Darth Maul. And this is
a normal dath million male and theygive him the magic and now he's near
unbeatable to most of the Jedi,near unbeatable but not completely. Yeah.
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One thing, yeah, one thingI do want to bring up is that
you know, I mean, weall know, we know the Thrawn is
you know the Thrawn shows up inuh, you know, in rebels,
and that he's part of a Socaor I think the other you know.
One thing he does need to besaid is that like Thraun, the Richards
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of Dathamir we were, you know, they were of the Legends canon and
now they are you know, theyare now in you know, the new
let's just say the new Cannon,you know, the new the new Star
Wars canon. So you know,it shows I think it shows one of
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the things that is plus as faras you know, as far as you
know, any fears about isn't youknow about Disney in Star Wars? Is
that? Yeah, we might nothave read of the Empire. Characters can
still show up. It's just gonnabe gonna be different, yes, like
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that, and there's always going tobe dark. Yeah. Well and just
you know, outside of a storyperspective, it's like there are characters you
love that still might show up.There just might be details there's story that
are now going to be different.Yes, you know. Uh, and
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here we go. We got theWitchless of Dalton here. Yeah, you
know they're showing up the you know, they show up in Clone Wars.
You know they've all part of thecircle. But they are you know,
they are here. You tee yetyou know, if anybody's like, oh,
which is a town of here?They're still cool here, they are
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here, they are do they haveanything to do with Han and Leah's wedding.
No in in in this place,they don't, but they're still involved,
you know. I think that's oneof the things. You know,
it's not you know, and they'rereally really powerful, like thee the type
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of things that they do it andthe clone Wars are still yet to be
seen. I come one of thethousand attack can Dooku threw a doll across
the galaxy and he couldn't do endingabout it. Still and still like like
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I think the only other like crossgalaxy force force feet that we've seen is
episode eight Luke, where he didn'tbe a production. But here's these witches
actually physically touching someone across planets.So really, if you remember, if
you remember correctly, we did geta little to that also we kind of
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got that. We have episodes eightand nine. Yeah, we had Kylo
talking to Ray and who were actuallyable to you know, they were actually
able to like like I think atone point, well like you know,
you know, well, the morefamous one is Ray and Kylo rent fought
it out and right, you know, we were able to destroy the little
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the little stand that had you know, that had the Vader helmet, you
know, and and Yeah, Kylosaw the red sand, you know,
like you know, he saw thestuff on the ground. Feels like,
oh, the Witches showed you know, the Night Sisters just show this this
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level of power in the force beyondanything, beyond the Syth and the Jedi,
and where they have their downfall isalso the same thing that's the downfall
for anything where it's that absolute power, and so for them, it just
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it shows us this this more intensitythat could be used for good, could
be used for evil, but ona level that we were just beginning to
see when Clone Wars came out,that we really had not seen in the
movies, but starts to make sense. And I was so glad when we
started to see that in eight nineand seven, eight and nine, and
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you know what, on that note, I think on that note, fortunately,
you know we have reached Purtress time, which is too bad because it
was to me, you know,we would just keep talking, but yeah,
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Don't go, don't go. Markafter this uh stand by Houston Way are
receiving signals from subspace. You arelistening to Mark Who forty twos Universe.
We welcome back to be a Mark. We're going to a galaxy far far
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away. Talk about the shows Rebelsand Clone Wars or Clone Wars and Rebels.
If we want to go ronologically correct, there is well on Disney.
Plus we've had the Soca series andthose I just mentioned people are a big
part in it. So that let'ssee who wants to go first. Vickyear's
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Ion go first. Okay first,yes, okay, so since since we
since we talked about season three,we're still gonna stick with it because we
have arguably maybe the most important episodein the whole show, or the most
point arc, which is the mordestpart. And this art, I kid
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you not, is something out ofa Marvel comic book. Obi wan Annakinasaka
are flying and they get taken outof their own reality and brought and face
these cosmic entities called father, brotherand daughter or father's son and daughter,
and they're literally embodiments or the cosmicentities of the force. Like they're hard
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to define of what they exactly arebecause they're just there, but they are.
They're literally forms of the force.The son can is literally with red
eyes, can shoot red force lightningand can turn to a bat, and
daughter is literally a radiant woman.They're there. Yes, it's like a
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bad dre we have vampires more,but like not like thinking of him as
like I can't really pinned them asending a marble, but like they're like
trying to just imagine as forced cosmicentities. And the whole point here is
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is for Anakin, because he's becausefather is trying to figure out if if
he's actually the Chosen One and ifhe could take over for father. But
in here this is potentially sucka becauseactually a stoker dies in him and it's
it's no joke, is no heha, No, she's dead and like
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she's like a dead corpse for likea good while in the epistode, and
she gets brought back by daughter givingup her her her life. So now
like this opens a giant question whatis the suka now? SoSE we all
know how what this works, andit fition once like a cosmic entity gives
up your life, you've essentially whatbecame something along the lines of cosmic entity.
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Yes, no, but each wayAsoka is alive and this episode it's
stand alone, and it's fact thatthey don't really talk about it in clonance
at all, but it is waysto reverberate in the Cannon, particularly in
Asoka, throughout everything that she eventouches. Yes, it kind of makes
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you wonder if it has in someways not made her immortal, but made
her made her almost more of theChosen One. Then Anakin, he had
a purpose and he served a purposeand between him and his lineage, He's
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definitely served a purpose, but Asukahas served another purpose for both the rebellion
and for the known universe. AndI can't help but wonder if by the
Sister making this level of sacrifice,essentially at the level of almost a god
making this level of sacrifice, Itjust it is an almost interesting bit in
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the middle of the storylines. Youhave this story go in there, and
then it's touched on because we havethe Owl that flipped in and out of
the storyline from then on out.Yes, and and I just can't help
but wonder if the Chosen One,she's really the special one. She she
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survives despite everything when you think aboutit, as I said, literal living,
embodying of the force. Take thatas you will. Yeah. And
so now with that now, sincesince like we're not talking about different plans
and such, Jedis have certain plansand such, and so this we are
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not going to skip into another passa whole another season and go into season
five into argue the most important chapterin the Soca's history, which is her
trial against the Republic because someone bombedthe Jedi temple and it was framed that
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it was a Soca. Now throughoutthe entire series, we all know that
the Soca will be the last personto bomb the Jedi temple. She is
the peak example of what the Jedishould be, not what they are,
but what they should be. Andso now parkins here. He doesn't care
about that. He just wants herdone because he because she broke the law,
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and the Jedi just go with it, regardless of regardless of what they
all know about Asca, regardless oftheir whole history, regardless of Jedi should
stick together. No, they justsay, we are the republic dogs and
you've got to go. You knowwhat it's for me? The whole thing
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with a circus trial, Well,first of all, this is a tripe
that has shown up in fiction,you know, movies, TV, comics,
you know, it's a tripe thathas shown up so many places.
Yeah, and that's you know,the whole thing of like, even though
everybody knows, you know, howhow big person you know, said person
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is, you know they're still gonnalike, you know, they're still gonna
be like, oh, well,you know, we gotta you know,
it's like they're not They're not goingto be you know, you're not gonna
have somebody being all like, oh, you know, we should you know,
investigate the score because we know thatthis person, you know, this
can't be right. You know,it's it's a tripe that's shown up.
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And the thing is I mean asannoying as it is, as annoying as
it is in this particular case,you know, the whole trial. Number
one, it helps inform you know, Asoka's post Clone Wars status, Like
why you know, because the thingwith any prequel, whether it's Clone Wars,
whether it's Rebels, whether it's moviesthemselves, is that we know,
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we know by the time luke Leiahan Lando by at the time those heroes
are around and active, the Jediare gone. All we know is that
as far as people are concerned,by the time you know, the original
trilogy, the or no Jedi.So it's like any new characters, whether
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it's Mace Window in the prequel moviesor the Clone Wars, by the time
we get to the events, theyhave to knock you around either because they're
dead, they're you know, theysee the wedding on the wall and they're
like, all right, I'm out, you know, I'm out, and
if he needs me, you know, all the you know, I'll be
like, you know, in thisplanet that's in the BF know, if
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of nowhere, you know, justhiding out, just heading out, waiting
clues to blow over, or youknow, waiting for a chance to you
know, slip back. It makessense because by this point you know,
you're right. We have the tropeof the hero in this case, Asuka
must go through the trials literal andfigurative. You have the people who should
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be the heroes, the Jedi,who have stumbled and lost their way and
are really just the figureheads. Theyaren't the great beings that they should be.
There there there there, The bureaucracythere depends on pushers, and it's
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such a how quick if they're notyou know, if they're not, if
they're not the bureaucracy spushers, theywould be yielded to them. Yes,
yes, and you look at itand your first reaction is I'm sorry,
what? And then your second reactionis and this is how the Jedi die,
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Even long before anything else we learnas the movies come out and everything
else happens. It just it makessense because this is the beginning of the
end of the Jedi Order as itwas at this time. Because this was
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and even when they, oh,oops, are bad, please come back,
I don't blame her for choosing herown path. And she had to
because if she had not chosen herown path, she would not be who
she is now today. She mighthave been who knows, I mean,
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come on her, her her masterwas, it was now Darth Vader,
you know, I mean, god, it would have been completely could have
been so many different things. SoI believe that this was the path that
she was destined to take. Butit was so sad, and it broke
my heart. And and you know, to anyone who says it's just a
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cartoon, you know, listen,maybe you're not invested in these characters,
but I am so yeah. No, well and and plus it's like,
you know, it's just because it'sanimation doesn't mean it's not that it's it's
not well yeah there you go.Yeah, yep, yep, no exactly.
You know, just because just becauseit's animation doesn't mean that, you
know, we we thrown inside andwe're like okay, yeah, now,
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no, no, no, nope, it's just a cartoon. It's just
a cartoon. Get over it.Yeah, no, it doesn't that's not
you know, it was. Youknow, it's like I'm pretty sure somebody,
you know, somebody back in theday. You know, we'll look
at a you know, we'll lookat a film, you know, a
little film and just be like,oh, well, it's not it's not
the literary word. You know,it doesn't. It's you shouldn't be affected
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by it. It's such same thingsthere and try and box things in beause
never invested in whether it is thewritten word, a particular TV show,
a particular movie, particular fandom.There's something everybody has invested interest in.
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And it's hard to watch a showlike this and see this because this character,
Asuka is, you know, evenwe're just talking Clone Wars at this
point, we see her from thelittle snip she is grow up to become
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this amazing, brilliant mind that issidelined. And then how could it not
affect you on some level because itwas like, this is just not right.
This would make anyone angry on anylevel anywhere. Yeah, see that
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right there is the most fascinating part. Even though she was not the one
that bombed the temple, even thoughshe was the last person to bomb.
Do you even think the bomb thetemple she's still ended up with the same
conclusion as the person that bombed thetemple. No, that the Jedi are
are not the Jedi, and thisain't it and so yes, now she's
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not a Jedi? Or is shemore of a Jedi than the Jedi because
being because they deign you're a Jedi, or because you live by the actual
real meanings of a Jedi. Yes, yeah, see that's the that that
right there, you know, youget the nail right on the head that
it's like, Okay, she mightyou know, she might not have the
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name. You know, she mightnot have the title, but is the
what's important the title or the addedlike you need to have a formal ceremony
where they have you crapped her ownlightsaber, and you know, you get
to say, you know, youget to stand in front of a whole
bunch of people and they get togo, hey, you know, or
is it you know, is itsomething else? Look at how she lives
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her life from here on out?Yeah, yep, And that takes us.
You know, I'll segue us,I'll segue us over to rebels because
then she does we don't even knowwhat's her in the beginning. Oh yeah,
we just know, we just knowabout what's the code name that she
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used, full crambel from. Wejust yeah, we just know it's full
drum and it's like, oh okay. And then it's like, oh,
yeah, no, did we mentionthis is a sooka. It's like you
did not? Yeah, it turnsout to be asoka. Yeah. The
the the interesting thing about Rebels isthat, at least I'm from a production
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point of view, is that unlikeClone Wars where it is broken up in
its arts and shown out of outof order, every episode of Rebels matters.
So again, we can't talk abouteverything, so we're just sticking to
a sponsor. It's like, howmany how many episodes did the Rebels have?
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Like seventy five? Yeah, youknow, seventy five? Over're you
know, yeah, no, wewe we do not have the time.
But that being said, Rebels isstill a quality show. It can be
even comparable to the Clone Wars.I know people have problems saying that with
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with with season one, but butget past that and it is some of
the finest Star Wars you'll ever see. Yeah, and it's a great and
it's it's also interesting because you know, we have characters. Well, I
don't want to say that they bothget introduced. Let's just say one gets
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introduced, another is reintroduced. Thereyou go, I think that'll I think
that's that's a that's an accurate statement. You know, one gets introduced,
one gets reintroduced. In Rebels,you know, we have Ezra Breacher and
then we have Grand Admiral Thraun actuallymaking the leap from just being a Legends
(40:30):
character to being an out and outYes, you know, now like in
in what is now the considered properStar Wars Cannon And again, you know,
you don't need to argue with me, you know, because I know
that they're probably listening to this andgoing, it's not the proper Star Wars
can It's like, okay, whatis considered right now by several Yeah,
(40:57):
it's like see, this is thisis why it's good that I'm a fan
of DC comics because now I'm usedto this. I was all this committing,
I mean, for better for worse. But yeah, you know what
is considered now the main canon.Yeah, that's that's kind of a you
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know that is we do that.It's so yeah, I mean, granted,
Ultron is introduced as Bridgers introduced EzraBridger. You know it's interesting because
you know he also you know,it's interesting because the show, you know,
the show that we're gonna be readingis called A STOKEDA. It still
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ties in too, you know,it still ties in, you know,
ties in heavily to Rebels, andwe're still dealing with a you know,
we still have you know, therethere's characters from Rebels that are also part
of this. It's not just abouther, like it is about Ezra,
and we're as where it got leftoff when we last saw him, and
(42:02):
it is up drawn. Yes see, Like now this is where these get
tricky. Is all of season one, Asoka is only mentioned as folk room,
and so you really see Asoka.But if you want to want to
watch a Soca, you have towatch Rebels. So this is part of
the like watch by your own discussion. You watch what you can and i'd
(42:28):
say go through summaries of the episodeand see what you want to watch.
But again in the VACU, you'regonna want to watch everything because everything ties
into everything. But so the firstactual scene of like actual Asoca is what
episode one of season two. Youknow, there's that like the big cliffhanger,
so to speak from you know,from the first season that it's like,
(42:52):
we're kindly gonna be too. It'syes, yes, yes, that's
that's what she first shows up.Yeah, but yeah, people usually use
a gage for some reason to sayskip season one and go into season two
because that's when like the data showsup and Vata finds out that, oh,
Soca is still alive and of coursehas still with that whole entire baggage
(43:16):
because he just figured out that Vaderis as a master who. That's the
giant carpet bomb of information in liketwo seconds, yep. And we'll actually
well, and you know what Ialso I also gotta say, I think
that is something that's well done.Mh. You know, is the fact
(43:38):
that yeah, we have, youknow, in like space of a minute,
you know, minute or two,we you know, we have data
finding out that a Circa is alive, and we have a Soca finding out
that Anakin is Darth Vader. Andit's like, yes, just the one.
It's a one punch, and thefact that it gets delivered you know
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in such like for me, I'mjust like, okay, this is you
know, yeah, I don't needa long exposition dump. You can just
in a couple of seconds bom bomboom, and everybody understands like, I
don't think there's anybody wo would belike, wait, I don't get it.
(44:22):
It's like then, well you canfigure it out. And you didn't
need like a massive exposition, youknow, a massive amount of exposition or
an info dump. It's just yeah, guess what, you know, that's
not Anakin's alive. You know,Holy cow an he gets alive and he's
the you know, and he's theguy in the in the you know,
(44:43):
in the mask like filling Jedi Holycow. Asoka's alive. So wait,
my Padawan's alive. Oh okay,should I kill her or not? That's
also, by the way, oneof the one of the things I like
is that it's also there's you know, this wonderful kind of wet con moment.
I think when you know from thefinal like the Truth the final episode
(45:07):
of Clone Wars where later visits thecrash site of the of the ship and
finds circles lightsaber and it's like,roll, holy cow. You know,
it's like it's like, oh,did I lose my you know, have
I lost my my padawan and it'slike yeah, you know, then finding
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out she's alive and it's like,you know, well, what's what you
know, just imagine the ebotion whenyou think about it. Yeah, the
idea of these two finding each otherin very different points, other lives,
they're they're in very different they're verydifferent people now and so not only shocking
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that they found each other, butthat they find each other so different.
Yeah, now that's that's yeah.I mean that you hit the nail right
on the head. It's like,you know, especially especially Asca. You
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know, we're talking Asoka finding anagain again now starth Vader. I mean,
this was the guy who bought herlike everything, you know, taught
her everything that she u. Itwas a father figure, it was a
brother figure, it was it wasa mentor, it was kind of you
(46:43):
know, it was it was thateverything into one sort of relationship. And
you know, it'd be like wakingup one day and finding out that you
know, your dad was hitler andwhat do you do with that information now
that you had that you know,no, it can't be yeah, yeah,
(47:07):
and it's like oly cow, youknow, how do you process that?
You know? And do you try? You know, I know that
there's been there was like I've seenlike it was like after she showed up
in in the Mandalorian and after sheyou know, and after Luke Skywalker showed
up in Mandalorian as well, thatthere were you know, I've seen I've
(47:30):
seen like images well you know Luke, Luke and Ahsoka talking and Soca finding
out that, Yeah, and youknow, the Vader in the end did
come back to the light side.I mean mind you first he just sat
back while Aldron was obliterated, butin back and he wasn't and he wasn't
(47:53):
the one who ordered at the fire. It was the it was talking.
So you know we can put wellwe can we can argue those semantics later.
The whole point of course, it'sjust that, yeah, you know,
she I've seen like images, youknow people. I don't know if
it's I don't know if there's onethat's actual cannon or if it's all fan
fick, but I know that I'veseen an image too, you know,
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Luke and Stoca together and Sca findingout that Anagan did get redeemed, and
just how like, oh wow,that's that's great to hear. I would
like that she could get that closureto know that there was that spark still
of good in him. So thatbecause you kind of want that, don't
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you. I could see her wantingthat definitely, like I would depose in
her shoes. I'd want that too, Like, come on, can we
just you know, tell me thatyou know he died? You know they
say Darthaier died, you know,tell me that you know? And then
just yeah, no, Vader,Yeah, Vader, Vader Anakin. Since
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we're talking about Vader, I thinkI really do not want to skip all
the season too. But again we'reon the celebrated course, but we should
really get to the Malacor art wherethey actually like meet face to face,
Yeah, and quickly. I Iwant to talk about Asoka at this point
because like, prior into this,she thought darts mall Or Mallya on on
(49:28):
Mantelor, but now she fights himagain here and like like I want to
have about like like the type oflike weird growth of well, not weird
growth, but like the growth ofAhsoka, where like she she was thrown
out and now she's practically on herown and she had to deal with with
with the season of Mantelor and itstill fell, well not not really fell,
(49:52):
but you had to deal with it. But each way, now you
go into the de malcor art orthrough all all old episodes of Rebels,
and now she's like, I don'twant to say like a master, but
she's like and out she's a wanderingpeacekeeper. Yes kind of is she's wandering
(50:12):
you know. I think if thiswas like a I think this was like
a martial arts thing or you know, a coastal martial arts thing, and
she'd be like a wandering monk.Yes, yeah, yes. And also
she's adamant on keeping that she's she'snot a Jedi, but she keeps the
savers, which is an interesting thingbecause like again we were just talking about
(50:37):
what exactly defines the Jedi. Isit the dog knight Jedi that that we
know and so, or is itthe old Jedi of true that we're actually
peacekeepers? So I it's interesting thatshe takes the where Jedi as was given
to her and the certain time frame. So she said that she's no Jedi.
(50:58):
But the thing is that at thisepisode we have a a very very
very very beautiful fight or moment betweenAhsoka and Vader. And again, this
whole episode you could argue the Twilightof Your Apprentice is Feloni's golden child.
This is where I could argue hepeeped where you're just sitting here and saying
(51:23):
you want more and more, andyou sit here and oh, as you're
like, wow, steaks, Okay, hey get the fan. People got
hurt. Stuff was known, andnow we're here with Asoka. Well,
first of all we had to dealwith holocron and and as being trained by
Mall and then Vader out of knowwhere it comes and says, okay,
(51:46):
you figured out how to open theholocron, you you might be coming with
me, And then comes Asca andthen now we're here and we're back essentially
to s since since the trial.But now it's I don't even know how
(52:07):
to describe it, like and youknow what, but then well you know
what, and uh, it's butyou can't describe because well here, you
know, here on subspaces unfortunately weare at a time. However, if
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you've listened to us on our regularyou know and our other podcast feeds,
we keep talking more about this,so you know, from myself, Zion,
Vicky, you know, I hateto hate the cliffhang. You know
this but yeah, we do haveto. Unfortunately our time is up,
but you know what, h nexttime we will be reviewing ASCA, so
(52:51):
I'm sure some of these will cropup again. And also you know,
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will keep talking about this. Soyeah, from all of us to all
of you, we will see younext time. Thanks for listening to mark
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not here. Last tight check.He was exploring the world between worlds.
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But hey, why did I makethat reference? What? Because you know
today we're gonna be talking Star Wars. Now if you think we're gonna be
talking Asoka, hang on a second, we are not talking Asoka. Why?
Well, because the last episode asof this, you know, as
of this recording, the last episodeis gonna be h this coming Tuesday,
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So you have to show was notfinished yet. And you know what,
I don't know about anybody else,but I am not the typic guy to
review a show that's not done yet. So yeah, we're gonna We're gonna
instead, you know what, asa pretty quel so to speak to our
(02:20):
toy review of ASOCA, going overStar Wars programs that you may want to
have some knowledge of before you gointo ah Soca. Hopefully you already too.
Yeah, we're gonna be going overClone Wars and Rebels, who shows
that Aska was a part of beforeshe got her own show, even before
(02:47):
she appeared on The Mandalorian. Andeverybody was like, yeah, so I
think, first off, I thinkwhat's important is show And how many people
here uh actually watched the Wars andRebels me, me, me, oh,
(03:10):
there we go. I actually sawsmatterings of episodes of Balthy, Like,
if that makes any sense, youknow, immend watching the whole thing
all the way through at least.Yeah, I mean I think I think
the I do know, I doknow. The first tooka came out.
(03:30):
You know, there were a coupleof places online that we're like, oh,
uh, you know, we haveyou know, here's a list of
what you should see for you doSOCA. And as well as that is,
you know, it's really cool andalso I mean because it's like yeah,
(03:52):
you want to watch the whole thing. But you know, also there's
a thing, there's such a thingas time, Yes, like do we
really have you know, don't wereally have you know, don't really have
time to watch all these because Iknow that you know both that was in
(04:13):
Clone rollers are you know that they'reboth half you know, they're both like
half hour. Thinks it's still tough. So I like what they came out
with a list. In total,there's two high and eight episodes between Clone
Wars and Rebels. Yeah, thatsounds like between twenty and thirty minutes each
of I remember, yes, justabout yeah. So it's like to me,
(04:39):
you know, I hear that,and it's like, okay, as
long as that is, that's stilla bunch of stuff you have to you
know, it's still like going througha bunch of stuff. And it's like,
holy cow. I mean, youknow, it's one thing if you
have you know, it's one thingif you have the time of the luxury.
It's another when it's like, holycow, how are we gonna you
(05:00):
know, how are we gonna getthrough Atlas? You know, especially it's
like okay, maybe maybe maybe maybeuh you know, you you know,
there's no other shows that you don'tyou're watching, so you're like, oh,
okay, I have time, right, that's like that's still just like,
(05:21):
I mean, how many you knowyou have to basically shotgun episodes once
a you know, like every singleday, and that's still kind of that
still feels difficult. Yes, Likeeven for me going through it the first
time, it took like at leasttwo or three months because I was just
(05:46):
watching like one, one or twoepisodes a night, and it just moved
on because again it's two hundred andeight episodes and spread and spread across six
movies that you also have have towatch because these all lead up to the
movies. Yes, like that too, I would say, well, okay,
I would to say that a apositive as far as you know,
(06:09):
as far as a soacas concern isthat since she wasn't like a major part
of the movies, you know,she wasn't even in the movies at all,
because she wasn't even created yet,you really don't have to watch the
movies. And plus casual fans,you know, it's I'm sure that there
are casual fans, know, youknow, as far as the movies are
concerned, Oh, yeah, CloneWars and Anakin came to Guy Vader.
(06:32):
But then you see, now nowwe can finally get into it. The
casual fans only have two and three. But then Lucas made made the Clone
Wars cartoon in the movie and whattwo thousand and eight or seven. I
remember when it came out, andI thought, I was like, wait,
(06:54):
these guys didn't even let Anakin becomea master. How does he have
a padawan? And just threw itaside until it actually mattered. Yeah,
and here we are, and solike, yeah, it's like now you
have to double back and kind ofwatch the first movie, but not really
all of it, like essentially,like there's the rest of the movie has
(07:15):
to do like a kid hut.Like for the most part of Clone Wars,
for like the movie and season oneand up to summer season two is
very kiddy. It's very kid oriented. So you gotta let it breathe a
little bit, like think about it. Like Star Trek season one and two
are rough. We get the seasonthree, then we're getting somewhere. But
(07:40):
Clone Wars kind of picks up atseason two but pertending to Asoka. Season
one is pretty much her beginning panalone stuff and nothing like like like quana
qua quand class and more. Andthis ties into a soca is the the
(08:01):
Wilofs campaign in season one and inthere she since we're in the Clone Wars
and these Jedi are generals, wenow have a padawan and guess what the
padawan is now given command of thisthis this campaign and she blows it up.
Yes, and and like my thingis? Is this right? It's
(08:26):
interesting once you think about it,because you're sending a ten year old to
pretty much do a grown man's job, a trained person's job. What else
were you expecting? But like interms of Asoka, like it's a growing
point. Like once once he's inhere, she she thinks she knows it
(08:52):
all, but she doesn't know itall, and clearly she the whole thing
falls apart, and then she growsand realizes I need to grow and honestly,
there's no better I'd see teach himfor this. Then Anakin gave the
person that lost his hand because hejust ran into something and said, screwt.
H Well, I found it interestingbecause I thought of when when I
(09:18):
saw it the first time, whatit made me think of was a very
young George Washington who as a teenagerand received his first command and it ended
horribly and haunted him for the restof his life. And it just it
was so similar in you know,a real life historical situation. And I
(09:41):
can't help but wonder how much GeorgeLucas and and Dave Filoni were thinking of
that when because so much of Iknow George Lucas is a huge history buff
and has based so much of hiscreations on things that he's learned in history,
(10:03):
and it just you just kind ofwonder that these major turning points in
people who later became great. Now, of course, George Lucas has said
that he hadn't decided to have aSuka being a long term character at this
point. He wasn't necessarily going tohave her last very long. And it
(10:24):
was Dave who said, no,no, no, we need to develop
her and keep her going. Zion. I do want to you know,
I do want to ask you something. See if you know this because the
Crown Wars animated film, which correctlyif I'm wrong, but isn't that where
we get introduced to a circa Yes, yes you okay, the Coron Wars
(10:46):
animated Okay, the Clone Wars animatedfilm. M is it is it cannon
or is it kind of one ofthese outlier type of things? No,
no, yea, so it is? Okay, so it is because that's
(11:11):
I think that's also part of thepart of the thing is how much of
it is you know, like howmuch is cannon? And how much is
you know, like, yeah,how much? How much is cannon?
Because when Disney, you know,when Disney over stall Wars and decided to
hit uh I don't want to saythe reset button a little bit, a
(11:37):
little bit, but yeah, whenthey decided to you know, basically do
their own thing, you know,do their own continuity. And you know
we have with the Legends Cannon asit were. My thing is just trying
to figure out what is and whatisn't you know? What is? What
is in Cannon is? You know, you have things like that's like for
(12:01):
example, uh, you know anotherexample, Air to the Empire, Right,
is it Canton or not? Right? Okay? It actually stated that
that one is actually listed as aLegends now versus and and and that's where
(12:22):
it gets frustrating. And I thinkall of us agree that it's like you
almost have to look at the magiclist produced by Disney is what's a Legends
and what's a Cannon, And thenyou have all these things in between that
haven't been officially given a title,and then it's like, okay, just
make up your mind. Is itLegends, is it Cannon. Tell Us
actually did defined this through through thattitle Legends, seeing you know, Air
(12:48):
to the Empire, that whole trilogyback in the nineties is now deemed as
Legends because we now can't cannically haveno Luke's Luke Skywalker going out of the
fighting throne. Now we have acirca fighting throne. But so in the
context of Clone Wars, when whenDisney acquired a Star Wars, it was
(13:09):
during I think what season five ofthe Clone Wars or season four, and
that's when they decided to ax it, and the leftover episodes that they had
after that acquisition were aired i thinkin Canada and goot for the episodes with
Yoda and and him talking to twoold Seth and such, and so with
(13:33):
this new Cannon, they pretty muchtook all the Clone Wars because now they
continued the Clone Wars with with withthe with the Netflix series and pretty much
said okay, everything that was madeof this show of Clone Wars two thousand
and eight is cannon from from seasonone, from the movie onwards, because
(13:54):
in there in the movie Asoka Isis found by Plo Kun and they run
with that throughout the entire series.And didn't they take the Canadian episodes And
isn't that what Netflix produced as thelost episodes or the lost missions? Yes?
Yes, yes, that that thatI think is what season five or
(14:15):
six? But yes that now?Yes? Yeah? But but quick thing
back to right lost And here's aninteresting thing in there. There's there is
that there's a general in the rightlob thats in the that's the inhabitants.
(14:39):
That's pretty much the president running thetheme and canotically he is Sarah's father,
right his name is John? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm when you're
going in troubles and you will seehim again, and I swear you you
look at him and you say itwas in them, it wasn't there.
(15:05):
I don't know. Didn't Haro likenot rebels, But didn't we have like
a young Hera recently, like youthink in Bad Batch or something? Yes,
yes, I enough fo I enoughfamiliar with bad Bass because I don't
even really watched it, but Iknow about the young Hara. It interesting
(15:26):
enough, there is a young twillicin in some episode of Right Loss,
and you can say that this wasthe idea that maybe spawned hera because it's
an undan child. But like she'sgreen and she's a twilic, So like
you you you kind of connected,but it's not connectally said that it is
(15:48):
Harah. So that's why I saythat is the idea that's spawned hera.
Okay, So basically, are yousaying like it's kind of like it's kind
of like how some people are sayingthat the old the you know, the
with the light hair in Jedi,maybe the recks, Yes, m hm,
(16:12):
yes, something along those lines.Yeah. You guys want to talk
about witches. Yeah, which isI'm gonna I'm gonna take a I'm gonna
take about stab and say you're referencingthe witches of Datham. Yes, yes,
(16:37):
yes, yeah, which we do. We have seen that. Yeah,
we have seen that. They youknow a little bit of a little
type of thing for Asca. Yeah, they the witches of Dathomer do park
park. Well you're gonna have towait till next week. Yeah, yeah,
so we are sipping a little bitpass past all of the seasons two
(17:03):
again in a vacuum, you wantto watch all the clone Wars. But
since we're on the accelerated track,we're jumping ahead. This is I mean,
you know, again, the wholefor this episode to talk about stuff
that informs the Asca series. Soyeah, we maybe we may be skipping
(17:26):
a couple of little things here andthere, because well, like, for
example, I know that with theRebels, you know, I know that
I remember the Wedge. You know, we had Young Wedge, but so
far Rige Antillies has nothing to dowith a Sooka. So sorry, guys,
we're not going to talk about theappearance of Young Wedge. Yeah,
sorry, sorry about that. Imean, I love, believe me,
Wedg is one of my favorite likeside characters, and I cheered when he
(17:48):
showed that the Rise of Skywalker.But yeah, I'm sorry. In season
three, in in episodes twelve tofourteen, we get a more an actual,
in depth introduction to the nine Sistersof Dath, women who are headhaded
by the head mass of the headWitch. We the Tousing, and they
(18:11):
are really interesting because they're really givento you as your standard witches, but
there's more to it, like theirmagic is the force essentially, yes,
it is a manipulation of both lifeside and dark side of the Force.
If I'm not getting wrong, Iapize if I am, But as far
(18:34):
as I know, it is theForce, and so would you look at
the force in in Sithe and Jediforms, you get a very like normal
sense of things. But then yougo into magics and you get resurrections,
you get dolls, and among possessionsyou can buff people up like how they
(19:00):
did in this episode. We foundthis character called a mom Savage o Press
who ends up being a brother ofMaul of Darth Maul. And this is
a normal dath million male and theygive him the magic and now he's near
unbeatable to most of the Jedi,near unbeatable but not completely. Yeah.
(19:26):
One thing, yeah, one thingI do want to bring up is that
you know, I mean, weall know, we know the Thrawn is
you know the Thrawn shows up inuh, you know, in rebels,
and that he's part of a Socaor I think the other you know.
One thing he does need to besaid is that like Thraun, the Richards
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of Dathamir we were, you know, they were of the Legends canon and
now they are you know, theyare now in you know, the new
let's just say the new Cannon,you know, the new the new Star
Wars canon. So you know,it shows I think it shows one of
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the things that is plus as faras you know, as far as you
know, any fears about isn't youknow about Disney in Star Wars? Is
that? Yeah, we might nothave read of the Empire. Characters can
still show up. It's just gonnabe gonna be different, yes, like
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that, and there's always going tobe dark. Yeah. Well and just
you know, outside of a storyperspective, it's like there are characters you
love that still might show up.There just might be details there's story that
are now going to be different.Yes, you know. Uh, and
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here we go. We got theWitchless of Dalton here. Yeah, you
know they're showing up the you know, they show up in Clone Wars.
You know they've all part of thecircle. But they are you know,
they are here. You tee yetyou know, if anybody's like, oh,
which is a town of here?They're still cool here, they are
(21:17):
here, they are do they haveanything to do with Han and Leah's wedding.
No in in in this place,they don't, but they're still involved,
you know. I think that's oneof the things. You know,
it's not you know, and they'rereally really powerful, like thee the type
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of things that they do it andthe clone Wars are still yet to be
seen. I come one of thethousand attack can Dooku threw a doll across
the galaxy and he couldn't do endingabout it. Still and still like like
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I think the only other like crossgalaxy force force feet that we've seen is
episode eight Luke, where he didn'tbe a production. But here's these witches
actually physically touching someone across planets.So really, if you remember, if
you remember correctly, we did geta little to that also we kind of
(22:25):
got that. We have episodes eightand nine. Yeah, we had Kylo
talking to Ray and who were actuallyable to you know, they were actually
able to like like I think atone point, well like you know,
you know, well, the morefamous one is Ray and Kylo rent fought
it out and right, you know, we were able to destroy the little
(22:48):
the little stand that had you know, that had the Vader helmet, you
know, and and Yeah, Kylosaw the red sand, you know,
like you know, he saw thestuff on the ground. Feels like,
oh, the Witches showed you know, the Night Sisters just show this this
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level of power in the force beyondanything, beyond the Syth and the Jedi,
and where they have their downfall isalso the same thing that's the downfall
for anything where it's that absolute power, and so for them, it just
(23:30):
it shows us this this more intensitythat could be used for good, could
be used for evil, but ona level that we were just beginning to
see when Clone Wars came out,that we really had not seen in the
movies, but starts to make sense. And I was so glad when we
started to see that in eight nineand seven, eight and nine, and
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you know what, on that note, I think on that note, fortunately,
you know we have reached Purtress time, which is too bad because it
was to me, you know,we would just keep talking, but yeah,
we got commercials, so you knowwhat, Yeah, we're gonna break
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Don't go, don't go. Markafter this uh stand by Houston Way are
receiving signals from subspace. You arelistening to Mark Who forty twos Universe.
We welcome back to be a Mark. We're going to a galaxy far far
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away. Talk about the shows Rebelsand Clone Wars or Clone Wars and Rebels.
If we want to go ronologically correct, there is well on Disney.
Plus we've had the Soca series andthose I just mentioned people are a big
part in it. So that let'ssee who wants to go first. Vickyear's
(25:47):
Ion go first. Okay first,yes, okay, so since since we
since we talked about season three,we're still gonna stick with it because we
have arguably maybe the most important episodein the whole show, or the most
point arc, which is the mordestpart. And this art, I kid
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you not, is something out ofa Marvel comic book. Obi wan Annakinasaka
are flying and they get taken outof their own reality and brought and face
these cosmic entities called father, brotherand daughter or father's son and daughter,
and they're literally embodiments or the cosmicentities of the force. Like they're hard
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to define of what they exactly arebecause they're just there, but they are.
They're literally forms of the force.The son can is literally with red
eyes, can shoot red force lightningand can turn to a bat, and
daughter is literally a radiant woman.They're there. Yes, it's like a
(27:00):
bad dre we have vampires more,but like not like thinking of him as
like I can't really pinned them asending a marble, but like they're like
trying to just imagine as forced cosmicentities. And the whole point here is
(27:22):
is for Anakin, because he's becausefather is trying to figure out if if
he's actually the Chosen One and ifhe could take over for father. But
in here this is potentially sucka becauseactually a stoker dies in him and it's
it's no joke, is no heha, No, she's dead and like
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she's like a dead corpse for likea good while in the epistode, and
she gets brought back by daughter givingup her her her life. So now
like this opens a giant question whatis the suka now? SoSE we all
know how what this works, andit fition once like a cosmic entity gives
up your life, you've essentially whatbecame something along the lines of cosmic entity.
(28:06):
Yes, no, but each wayAsoka is alive and this episode it's
stand alone, and it's fact thatthey don't really talk about it in clonance
at all, but it is waysto reverberate in the Cannon, particularly in
Asoka, throughout everything that she eventouches. Yes, it kind of makes
(28:30):
you wonder if it has in someways not made her immortal, but made
her made her almost more of theChosen One. Then Anakin, he had
a purpose and he served a purposeand between him and his lineage, He's
(28:51):
definitely served a purpose, but Asukahas served another purpose for both the rebellion
and for the known universe. AndI can't help but wonder if by the
Sister making this level of sacrifice,essentially at the level of almost a god
making this level of sacrifice, Itjust it is an almost interesting bit in
(29:15):
the middle of the storylines. Youhave this story go in there, and
then it's touched on because we havethe Owl that flipped in and out of
the storyline from then on out.Yes, and and I just can't help
but wonder if the Chosen One,she's really the special one. She she
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survives despite everything when you think aboutit, as I said, literal living,
embodying of the force. Take thatas you will. Yeah. And
so now with that now, sincesince like we're not talking about different plans
and such, Jedis have certain plansand such, and so this we are
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not going to skip into another passa whole another season and go into season
five into argue the most important chapterin the Soca's history, which is her
trial against the Republic because someone bombedthe Jedi temple and it was framed that
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it was a Soca. Now throughoutthe entire series, we all know that
the Soca will be the last personto bomb the Jedi temple. She is
the peak example of what the Jedishould be, not what they are,
but what they should be. Andso now parkins here. He doesn't care
about that. He just wants herdone because he because she broke the law,
(30:44):
and the Jedi just go with it, regardless of regardless of what they
all know about Asca, regardless oftheir whole history, regardless of Jedi should
stick together. No, they justsay, we are the republic dogs and
you've got to go. You knowwhat it's for me? The whole thing
(31:04):
with a circus trial, Well,first of all, this is a tripe
that has shown up in fiction,you know, movies, TV, comics,
you know, it's a tripe thathas shown up so many places.
Yeah, and that's you know,the whole thing of like, even though
everybody knows, you know, howhow big person you know, said person
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is, you know they're still gonnalike, you know, they're still gonna
be like, oh, well,you know, we gotta you know,
it's like they're not They're not goingto be you know, you're not gonna
have somebody being all like, oh, you know, we should you know,
investigate the score because we know thatthis person, you know, this
can't be right. You know,it's it's a tripe that's shown up.
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And the thing is I mean asannoying as it is, as annoying as
it is in this particular case,you know, the whole trial. Number
one, it helps inform you know, Asoka's post Clone Wars status, Like
why you know, because the thingwith any prequel, whether it's Clone Wars,
whether it's Rebels, whether it's moviesthemselves, is that we know,
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we know by the time luke Leiahan Lando by at the time those heroes
are around and active, the Jediare gone. All we know is that
as far as people are concerned,by the time you know, the original
trilogy, the or no Jedi.So it's like any new characters, whether
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it's Mace Window in the prequel moviesor the Clone Wars, by the time
we get to the events, theyhave to knock you around either because they're
dead, they're you know, theysee the wedding on the wall and they're
like, all right, I'm out, you know, I'm out, and
if he needs me, you know, all the you know, I'll be
like, you know, in thisplanet that's in the BF know, if
(33:00):
of nowhere, you know, justhiding out, just heading out, waiting
clues to blow over, or youknow, waiting for a chance to you
know, slip back. It makessense because by this point you know,
you're right. We have the tropeof the hero in this case, Asuka
must go through the trials literal andfigurative. You have the people who should
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be the heroes, the Jedi,who have stumbled and lost their way and
are really just the figureheads. Theyaren't the great beings that they should be.
There there there there, The bureaucracythere depends on pushers, and it's
(33:47):
such a how quick if they're notyou know, if they're not, if
they're not the bureaucracy spushers, theywould be yielded to them. Yes,
yes, and you look at itand your first reaction is I'm sorry,
what? And then your second reactionis and this is how the Jedi die,
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Even long before anything else we learnas the movies come out and everything
else happens. It just it makessense because this is the beginning of the
end of the Jedi Order as itwas at this time. Because this was
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and even when they, oh,oops, are bad, please come back,
I don't blame her for choosing herown path. And she had to
because if she had not chosen herown path, she would not be who
she is now today. She mighthave been who knows, I mean,
(34:52):
come on her, her her masterwas, it was now Darth Vader,
you know, I mean, god, it would have been completely could have
been so many different things. SoI believe that this was the path that
she was destined to take. Butit was so sad, and it broke
my heart. And and you know, to anyone who says it's just a
(35:14):
cartoon, you know, listen,maybe you're not invested in these characters,
but I am so yeah. No, well and and plus it's like,
you know, it's just because it'sanimation doesn't mean it's not that it's it's
not well yeah there you go.Yeah, yep, yep, no exactly.
You know, just because just becauseit's animation doesn't mean that, you
know, we we thrown inside andwe're like okay, yeah, now,
(35:37):
no, no, no, nope, it's just a cartoon. It's just
a cartoon. Get over it.Yeah, no, it doesn't that's not
you know, it was. Youknow, it's like I'm pretty sure somebody,
you know, somebody back in theday. You know, we'll look
at a you know, we'll lookat a film, you know, a
little film and just be like,oh, well, it's not it's not
the literary word. You know,it doesn't. It's you shouldn't be affected
(36:00):
by it. It's such same thingsthere and try and box things in beause
never invested in whether it is thewritten word, a particular TV show,
a particular movie, particular fandom.There's something everybody has invested interest in.
(36:23):
And it's hard to watch a showlike this and see this because this character,
Asuka is, you know, evenwe're just talking Clone Wars at this
point, we see her from thelittle snip she is grow up to become
(36:45):
this amazing, brilliant mind that issidelined. And then how could it not
affect you on some level because itwas like, this is just not right.
This would make anyone angry on anylevel anywhere. Yeah, see that
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right there is the most fascinating part. Even though she was not the one
that bombed the temple, even thoughshe was the last person to bomb.
Do you even think the bomb thetemple she's still ended up with the same
conclusion as the person that bombed thetemple. No, that the Jedi are
are not the Jedi, and thisain't it and so yes, now she's
(37:28):
not a Jedi? Or is shemore of a Jedi than the Jedi because
being because they deign you're a Jedi, or because you live by the actual
real meanings of a Jedi. Yes, yeah, see that's the that that
right there, you know, youget the nail right on the head that
it's like, Okay, she mightyou know, she might not have the
(37:51):
name. You know, she mightnot have the title, but is the
what's important the title or the addedlike you need to have a formal ceremony
where they have you crapped her ownlightsaber, and you know, you get
to say, you know, youget to stand in front of a whole
bunch of people and they get togo, hey, you know, or
is it you know, is itsomething else? Look at how she lives
(38:15):
her life from here on out?Yeah, yep, And that takes us.
You know, I'll segue us,I'll segue us over to rebels because
then she does we don't even knowwhat's her in the beginning. Oh yeah,
we just know, we just knowabout what's the code name that she
(38:36):
used, full crambel from. Wejust yeah, we just know it's full
drum and it's like, oh okay. And then it's like, oh,
yeah, no, did we mentionthis is a sooka. It's like you
did not? Yeah, it turnsout to be asoka. Yeah. The
the the interesting thing about Rebels isthat, at least I'm from a production
(39:01):
point of view, is that unlikeClone Wars where it is broken up in
its arts and shown out of outof order, every episode of Rebels matters.
So again, we can't talk abouteverything, so we're just sticking to
a sponsor. It's like, howmany how many episodes did the Rebels have?
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Like seventy five? Yeah, youknow, seventy five? Over're you
know, yeah, no, wewe we do not have the time.
But that being said, Rebels isstill a quality show. It can be
even comparable to the Clone Wars.I know people have problems saying that with
(39:45):
with with season one, but butget past that and it is some of
the finest Star Wars you'll ever see. Yeah, and it's a great and
it's it's also interesting because you know, we have characters. Well, I
don't want to say that they bothget introduced. Let's just say one gets
(40:06):
introduced, another is reintroduced. Thereyou go, I think that'll I think
that's that's a that's an accurate statement. You know, one gets introduced,
one gets reintroduced. In Rebels,you know, we have Ezra Breacher and
then we have Grand Admiral Thraun actuallymaking the leap from just being a Legends
(40:30):
character to being an out and outYes, you know, now like in
in what is now the considered properStar Wars Cannon And again, you know,
you don't need to argue with me, you know, because I know
that they're probably listening to this andgoing, it's not the proper Star Wars
can It's like, okay, whatis considered right now by several Yeah,
(40:57):
it's like see, this is thisis why it's good that I'm a fan
of DC comics because now I'm usedto this. I was all this committing,
I mean, for better for worse. But yeah, you know what
is considered now the main canon.Yeah, that's that's kind of a you
(41:19):
know that is we do that.It's so yeah, I mean, granted,
Ultron is introduced as Bridgers introduced EzraBridger. You know it's interesting because
you know he also you know,it's interesting because the show, you know,
the show that we're gonna be readingis called A STOKEDA. It still
(41:39):
ties in too, you know,it still ties in, you know,
ties in heavily to Rebels, andwe're still dealing with a you know,
we still have you know, therethere's characters from Rebels that are also part
of this. It's not just abouther, like it is about Ezra,
and we're as where it got leftoff when we last saw him, and
(42:02):
it is up drawn. Yes see, Like now this is where these get
tricky. Is all of season one, Asoka is only mentioned as folk room,
and so you really see Asoka.But if you want to want to
watch a Soca, you have towatch Rebels. So this is part of
the like watch by your own discussion. You watch what you can and i'd
(42:28):
say go through summaries of the episodeand see what you want to watch.
But again in the VACU, you'regonna want to watch everything because everything ties
into everything. But so the firstactual scene of like actual Asoca is what
episode one of season two. Youknow, there's that like the big cliffhanger,
so to speak from you know,from the first season that it's like,
(42:52):
we're kindly gonna be too. It'syes, yes, yes, that's
that's what she first shows up.Yeah, but yeah, people usually use
a gage for some reason to sayskip season one and go into season two
because that's when like the data showsup and Vata finds out that, oh,
Soca is still alive and of coursehas still with that whole entire baggage
(43:16):
because he just figured out that Vaderis as a master who. That's the
giant carpet bomb of information in liketwo seconds, yep. And we'll actually
well, and you know what Ialso I also gotta say, I think
that is something that's well done.Mh. You know, is the fact
(43:38):
that yeah, we have, youknow, in like space of a minute,
you know, minute or two,we you know, we have data
finding out that a Circa is alive, and we have a Soca finding out
that Anakin is Darth Vader. Andit's like, yes, just the one.
It's a one punch, and thefact that it gets delivered you know
(44:02):
in such like for me, I'mjust like, okay, this is you
know, yeah, I don't needa long exposition dump. You can just
in a couple of seconds bom bomboom, and everybody understands like, I
don't think there's anybody wo would belike, wait, I don't get it.
(44:22):
It's like then, well you canfigure it out. And you didn't
need like a massive exposition, youknow, a massive amount of exposition or
an info dump. It's just yeah, guess what, you know, that's
not Anakin's alive. You know,Holy cow an he gets alive and he's
the you know, and he's theguy in the in the you know,
(44:43):
in the mask like filling Jedi Holycow. Asoka's alive. So wait,
my Padawan's alive. Oh okay,should I kill her or not? That's
also, by the way, oneof the one of the things I like
is that it's also there's you know, this wonderful kind of wet con moment.
I think when you know from thefinal like the Truth the final episode
(45:07):
of Clone Wars where later visits thecrash site of the of the ship and
finds circles lightsaber and it's like,roll, holy cow. You know,
it's like it's like, oh,did I lose my you know, have
I lost my my padawan and it'slike yeah, you know, then finding
(45:32):
out she's alive and it's like,you know, well, what's what you
know, just imagine the ebotion whenyou think about it. Yeah, the
idea of these two finding each otherin very different points, other lives,
they're they're in very different they're verydifferent people now and so not only shocking
(46:00):
that they found each other, butthat they find each other so different.
Yeah, now that's that's yeah.I mean that you hit the nail right
on the head. It's like,you know, especially especially Asca. You
(46:20):
know, we're talking Asoka finding anagain again now starth Vader. I mean,
this was the guy who bought herlike everything, you know, taught
her everything that she u. Itwas a father figure, it was a
brother figure, it was it wasa mentor, it was kind of you
(46:43):
know, it was it was thateverything into one sort of relationship. And
you know, it'd be like wakingup one day and finding out that you
know, your dad was hitler andwhat do you do with that information now
that you had that you know,no, it can't be yeah, yeah,
(47:07):
and it's like oly cow, youknow, how do you process that?
You know? And do you try? You know, I know that
there's been there was like I've seenlike it was like after she showed up
in in the Mandalorian and after sheyou know, and after Luke Skywalker showed
up in Mandalorian as well, thatthere were you know, I've seen I've
(47:30):
seen like images well you know Luke, Luke and Ahsoka talking and Soca finding
out that, Yeah, and youknow, the Vader in the end did
come back to the light side.I mean mind you first he just sat
back while Aldron was obliterated, butin back and he wasn't and he wasn't
(47:53):
the one who ordered at the fire. It was the it was talking.
So you know we can put wellwe can we can argue those semantics later.
The whole point of course, it'sjust that, yeah, you know,
she I've seen like images, youknow people. I don't know if
it's I don't know if there's onethat's actual cannon or if it's all fan
fick, but I know that I'veseen an image too, you know,
(48:15):
Luke and Stoca together and Sca findingout that Anagan did get redeemed, and
just how like, oh wow,that's that's great to hear. I would
like that she could get that closureto know that there was that spark still
of good in him. So thatbecause you kind of want that, don't
(48:39):
you. I could see her wantingthat definitely, like I would depose in
her shoes. I'd want that too, Like, come on, can we
just you know, tell me thatyou know he died? You know they
say Darthaier died, you know,tell me that you know? And then
just yeah, no, Vader,Yeah, Vader, Vader Anakin. Since
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we're talking about Vader, I thinkI really do not want to skip all
the season too. But again we'reon the celebrated course, but we should
really get to the Malacor art wherethey actually like meet face to face,
Yeah, and quickly. I Iwant to talk about Asoka at this point
because like, prior into this,she thought darts mall Or Mallya on on
(49:28):
Mantelor, but now she fights himagain here and like like I want to
have about like like the type oflike weird growth of well, not weird
growth, but like the growth ofAhsoka, where like she she was thrown
out and now she's practically on herown and she had to deal with with
with the season of Mantelor and itstill fell, well not not really fell,
(49:52):
but you had to deal with it. But each way, now you
go into the de malcor art orthrough all all old episodes of Rebels,
and now she's like, I don'twant to say like a master, but
she's like and out she's a wanderingpeacekeeper. Yes kind of is she's wandering
(50:12):
you know. I think if thiswas like a I think this was like
a martial arts thing or you know, a coastal martial arts thing, and
she'd be like a wandering monk.Yes, yeah, yes. And also
she's adamant on keeping that she's she'snot a Jedi, but she keeps the
savers, which is an interesting thingbecause like again we were just talking about
(50:37):
what exactly defines the Jedi. Isit the dog knight Jedi that that we
know and so, or is itthe old Jedi of true that we're actually
peacekeepers? So I it's interesting thatshe takes the where Jedi as was given
to her and the certain time frame. So she said that she's no Jedi.
(50:58):
But the thing is that at thisepisode we have a a very very
very very beautiful fight or moment betweenAhsoka and Vader. And again, this
whole episode you could argue the Twilightof Your Apprentice is Feloni's golden child.
This is where I could argue hepeeped where you're just sitting here and saying
(51:23):
you want more and more, andyou sit here and oh, as you're
like, wow, steaks, Okay, hey get the fan. People got
hurt. Stuff was known, andnow we're here with Asoka. Well,
first of all we had to dealwith holocron and and as being trained by
Mall and then Vader out of knowwhere it comes and says, okay,
(51:46):
you figured out how to open theholocron, you you might be coming with
me, And then comes Asca andthen now we're here and we're back essentially
to s since since the trial.But now it's I don't even know how
(52:07):
to describe it, like and youknow what, but then well you know
what, and uh, it's butyou can't describe because well here, you
know, here on subspaces unfortunately weare at a time. However, if
(52:27):
you've listened to us on our regularyou know and our other podcast feeds,
we keep talking more about this,so you know, from myself, Zion,
Vicky, you know, I hateto hate the cliffhang. You know
this but yeah, we do haveto. Unfortunately our time is up,
but you know what, h nexttime we will be reviewing ASCA, so
(52:51):
I'm sure some of these will cropup again. And also you know,
head on over to our you know, one of our other feeds because we
will keep talking about this. Soyeah, from all of us to all
of you, we will see younext time. Thanks for listening to mark
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