MarkWHO42 Reviews Star Trek Strange New Worlds Season 2

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Sir, I'm detecting a subspace message. I'll put it on speakers subspace dare
to wonder. Hi, this isGarrett Wong. I played Ensign Harry Kim
on Star Trek Voyager and you're listeningto Mark Who forty two World of Podcasting,

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the Mark Up forty two podcast.My name is a Duardo and Fire and
with me today is Vicky Jacoboski.Yep, the inmates have taken over the
asylum. I think Mark and Zion. Last I saw them, they were
geeking out over the Guardian of Foreverand then I haven't seen them again.

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I think they messed up and they'reprobably somewhere in time and space. I
might have locked them in the bridge. Hopefully they'll forgive us. I don't
care. We are so bad today. It's for've taken over. I don't

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need it. I'm fine, I'mfine with it. But yeah, based
off all the jokes, based offall the jokes that we have. I
think everybody can guess that we aredoing. OK, just kidding. No,
We're not doing the Barbey movie.We're going Upheimer. I'm just kidding
again. No, Nope, we'recovering season two of Star Trek Strange New

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Worlds, which, Oh my god, this season. Darn it's this season.
What it had everything? Oh god, it was a Waller couplester You
have really was. I mean,you have these great dramatic episodes and then

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you've got these like really fun episodes. It's like, I think, like
the last I think the last orfive episodes, it was like that you
had the serious one, you hadthe lighthearted one. The serious one.
Yeah, you were like a reallyawesome lighthearted one which I had to download
the soundtrack the minute I saw itwas on iTunes. And then you've had

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you know, and then you hadthe finale, which has me going,
oh, yeah, right there withyou. I have to tell you.
One of the things that Strange NewWorlds has made me think about is it
has brought together some of the bestof the original in that each episode not

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only moved along a story, butthey were also encapsulated stories. Also,
it kind of has more of likethe feel of the jj Abrams, so
you get more of the you know, it doesn't feel like the nineteen sixties
anymore. But I like the waythat they've married that both seasons have really

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brought that. And as a hugeStar Trek fan, and yes, I
am both a Star Trek and StarWars fan, I know that apparently that's
an anomaly, but you and Ishare that love, and we've actually we're
actually we're actually getting the team franchisesto mix what are you doing? What

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the phase is? Bad guy pointto ears. Then you're mixing that with
the ones with the laser swords andthe keep hues that, Yeah, well
I'm gonna do it anyway. Whynot? And you know, here's the
funny thing. Yes, is evereverything perfect? Of course not, because

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there's no such thing as a perfectshow yet to see what. But I
do like the fact that we gotsuch a nice variety two Often shows are
all kind of the same note they'reall funny, or they're all serious,
or they're all whatever they are.And I've heard people complain, oh,
here's a musical one, or ohhere's this, or oh why do they

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have to get preachy? Or ohwhy do they have to do this,
and it's like, you know,a good show needs to have some variety.
If you don't like it, that'sfine. You don't have to like
every episode in every show of aseries. But it's interesting listening to some

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of the chatter and some of thereviews because I see this with every show
that I read reviews on. Ifind it funny the things that people complain
about, Like you can have someonecomplain. I'll just pick on for two
seconds, the musical episode. Somepeople love musical episodes and some people hate

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musical episodes just because they're a musicalepisode, not because it's good or bad,
just because it is. And thatalways makes me laugh. And then
they'll rate it accordingly, not evenbased on the musical quality, how it
brings the story along, blah blahblah. No, it's just the fact
that it's a musical episode, orbecause it's a serious show and they had
a funny episode, or vice versa. And yeah, I don't know.

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I think, sit there and lookat it. And if you don't like
the message of a show, sayyou don't like the message, but sit
there and actually look at the actingbefore you give it a two. It's
like is the acting still good?Say I didn't like the message, but
the acting of the writing was stillgood. You know, maybe give it
a five or six, or youknow, if you say, I really

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like the story, but the actingsucked. You know, do that I
feel that. Okay, I'm ona soapbox. I realized now, I
apologize, but I feel that reviewshave gotten very shallow, where it's like,
oh my god, the story.I hated this story. Why does
everyone have to do a story aboutx y Z. Well, yeah,

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you know, well, because itwas relevant at the time this episode came
out, because this happened at thattime, and you don't like stories about
x y Z. I get it. But was it badly written? What
were the actors horrible? No,you just didn't like stories about igloos.

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Why would you sit there and sayit was a one star review? Yeah?
And then it's also, I mean, you know it, it's like
every you know, yeah, everyepisode does not have to be the same
thing. We will not to mentionthe fact that and this is a little
yeah, this is a little preachyas well. It's like this is not

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about you know, I mean,if you don't you know, if you're
like, well, why didn't wehave more you know, why didn't we
have more phaser battles? Or whydidn't they you know, why why didn't
you know? Why isn't like beinglike Kirk and you know, banging the
alien of the week. It's like, okay, you you're paying attention to
the wrong thing, right, Likeyou're on the wrong thing here. This

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is not what we're here. Youknow. It's if you're complaining because Trek
did an allegory for you know,need for public school education. It's like
why they didn't get all breachy.It's like, well, you know what,
welcome to the party, Richter,because that's always star. Trek has
always preached something. It's just youdon't realize it because you were paying attention

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to the keepute, you're paying attentionto the you know, you're paying attention
to everybody wearing uh, you know, everybody wearing the Mirror Universe outfits.
You know, it's right, It'slike, yeah, Trek has always preached
to you. It's just sometimes youhaven't noticed. It's like, hey,

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remember remember the original series episode letUs be Your Last Battlefield? Yeah,
it was about and a lot oftimes, you know, and it's so
funny because throughout the history of StarTrek there have been some episodes. Okay,
let's you know, the entire firstseason of Next Generation. I love

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Next Gen, but the entire firstseason Next Generation was as subtle as a
hammer to the head. Ye.It got much better afterwards. But you
know, throughout all of them,there were many episodes that messengers. There
are many episodes that had messages thatwere not obvious, and as a matter

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of fact, some of them whenyou watched them afterwards or years later.
I mean, there are several ofthem that I watch and I go,
oh, well, that's obviously aboutbut possibly in nineteen sixty eight or sixty
nine, maybe you wouldn't have gottenthat because it was nineteen sixty eight or

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nineteen sixty nine, but maybe innineteen seventy eight or seventy nine it would
have been far more. Oh well, of course that was about this.
Of course this was about that.You know. Even though the kiss between
O'Hara and Kurt was actually not thevery first inter rat or kiss on national

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TV, it was the very firstthat was truly national on a big on
a big show. The way itwas, and the fact that the studio
didn't back down. Now, therewere some stations that chose not to.
Can you imagine that a station wouldnot show an episode because a black woman

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kissed a white man? Can youeven imagine that? In twenty twenty three?
Can you even imagine that? Thatis like shocking to think that there
were men smoking cigars in in tweedsuits going oh my god. You know,
the sponsors. We can't risk ofthe sponsors leaving because the scenes about

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other things. But we just don'trealize it as much. And so it's
a weird and funny thing that peoplewill say things are too preachy, But
what they don't realize it's that thereare other episodes that are preaching. They
just they don't realize they're being preachedto. Yes, some episodes made may

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be very obvious because maybe it's reallyright in your face because it's paralleling something
that's happened right now, and there'sno way to get around the fact that
X goes with why it is somethingthat's in our world right now. Yeah,
and that's true of any TV showor whatever. But I'm going to

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tell you right now, in tenyears, there's gonna be other episodes.
They're gonna be like, oh,oh my god, that was about this,
wasn't it Holy crap? You knowyep, and actually getting onto like
the episodes themselves we had this season. Oh, first off, I mean
we did that that episode with theyou know, with the Klingons. Yeah.

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Interesting. First of all, interestingthat we had I kind of take
a back seat, you know,he kind of took a break, which
was which was very interesting. Ialso found it interesting that we did not
jump straight into resolving the cliffhanger fromlast season. Yeah, like you know,

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Una spent a Una spent like anepisode still you know, in custody,
right, you know, well PikePike, I guess had a had
like a you know, Trump Cardywanted to play and you know, it

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was interesting that yeah, you know, we still we still had that you
know, Una. Una wasn't immediatelyrescued, It wasn't immediately resolved. That
was very nice. Yeah, whenthey picked up the next episode when we
actually had the actual trial, Idid enjoy what it reminded me a lot
of the measure of a man.That's exactly the when I was feeling too,

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Yeah, from Next Gen. Youknow, it was that that same
kind of feel where you had yes, you know where you had that whole
thing, you know the person youhave and you know, and then there's
always these fine lines between respecting religiousand cultural differences and understanding their concerns.

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Especially now, of course, there'san assumption, and I would like to
hope that anyone knew coming to theseries, who's like, oh, what's
the Eugenics War? Oh here,let me go watch you know, let's
go watch the con episode the SpaceSeed on the original series. Let's go

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watch Gratha Con. Let's go youknow, read a few articles online,
or watch a couple of YouTube videoson the Eugenics Wars, watch a few
other episodes, or you know,I don't know, just read a short
two second paragraph on it. There'sso many things written on it, on
some of the wiki pages that areout there for the fans that you know,
you could read it and go ahokay and understand what the Eugenics War

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meant means to this universe and whythey're so scared of it, and why
they don't want to repeat the mistakesof the past. So I get it.
I totally understand it. And we'vehad similar things in our own culture

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in the real world, so weall get it and how do you balance
all of that? And I likethe fact that it didn't resolve the answer,
but it gave us a foot intothe answer that could be answered,
that could be touched on again ineither a future episode or a future series,

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because that's also yeah, no,and it's like it didn't it didn't
resolve things because I mean, inall so, if you look, you
know, one of the great thingsabout having a prequel, you know,
you look and it's not yeah,you know you still like you have the
argument again later with doctor Bashir.You know, you had another argument and

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this was with this was with thedata you know you had. So it's
like, so, yeah, it'songoing. It's an ongoing thing, but
it's like you take it a stepat a time and then that you know,
that to me was that to meis just like that was yeah,
And I think that's very good becauseit shows the society that is star Fleet.

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And then what I loved about DeepSpace nine in general was it shows
the fact that life is not allperfect in the future. It's a little
harder, not not every corner ofthe universe is the bright, pretty utopian
star fleet, and you know,there's still struggles. There's still concepts that

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they're dealing with, and doctor Bashir'sstory gave us some of that, and
and the I loved it, youknow, and the fact that we were
still dealing with and I like theway you put it. Now we see
where we've got this arc that goeshundreds of years of you know, and

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I bet we're going to have somemore of that come in in some other
series in the future, which willbe great maybe. I mean, you
know, it's not you know,the door is not. Yeah, the
problem wasn't resolved the oh when wegot hey, and I do like,
you know, speaking of things thatkind of went on throughout the entire series.

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We have the you know, wehave the episode. Let me see
if I get this right, becauseyeah, I want to there's the episode
tomorrow, tomorrow and tomorrow. Igot them all right, Yeah I think
you did. Yeah, Okay,So it's like you have that episode,

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which well, first of all,who goes did the guys who wrote the
episode? Oh my gosh, wasn'tthat amazing? Not only is it shot
in Toronto, but it takes placein Toronto. It's not yes, sitting
in Toronto and going we have togo to the city of Chicago. It's
like, so, why are wein Toronto? I actually appreciate that that

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is so well done, and Ifound that entire episode. I'm gonna call
it very real because you had somany real emotions laughing, cried, hey
you got you've had lawn sing.Actually get some really good, yes,

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you know, really good scenes outof it. It's like, wow,
this was this was awesome. Imean her face to face with baby Hitler
moment. I realized that Khan isnot necessarily Hitler, but in some ways
he really kind of was. Hewas kind of the Star Trek equivalent of

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Hitler. I mean, I thinkhe may have been responsible for the death
of more people than Hitler. I'mtrying to remember what the actual death of
the Eugenics wars were and I can'tremember right now, so forgive me Star
Trek Universe. But you know,when you're you come face to face with
a child that you know will growup, who will create this galactic war

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and then cause more and more deathand destruction. Not to mention, we've
got Kirk talking about his on andagain off again girlfriend who's pregnant, and
that little child will result in thedeath inadvertently indirectly of that child. I

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just the the the inter circular youknow, circular error, circular error,
you know. Oh no, Andit's like, oh my gosh, yeah,
you know you have the child Hitlermoment. Uh, you know,
you had the you know, andthen yeah, you have on falling for
Quirk and then just the fact thatthat version of Kirk you know, dies

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out. And then she also hasto have this very secret theme because the
temporal person that she ran into islike, yeah, we don't want to
script the timeline, so you gotto shut shut up about it. Yeah,
like sorry, not sorry, youknow, yeah, I know you're
you're broken up about it. Yeah, look, it looked like you two

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had had a really great thing going, but yeah, we gotta make sure
that the timeline isn't messed up.So can you just like out about it
in your room when nobody's looking.Yeah, thanks, I appreciate it.
It's like wow, So she hasto deal and then having like m HM

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six one six or Brian Kirk orwhatever you want to call him, show
up and it's like this is aguy that Wow, this is a guy
I got the hots for. Butit's not the guy of the hots for
and yeah, what do I do? What do we do? They the
quandary of time travel always it's you, but it's not you, it's me,

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and it's my feelings but the wrong. I don't know what to do
with this. It's like time travelplus you know, alternate mentioned stuff,
because it's like, yeah, it'sKirk. It's not the Kirk that you
know I fell in love with.It's Kirk. And oh he's still got
that same swagger. He's still youknow, he's got that that sly smile.

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And it's like, uh, yeah, you know, and you can't
do anything. And then yes,you can't say anything because we need to
preserve the timeline. It's like,how so I'm just supposed to be miserable
all by myself? Like that's theway it works. I don't know.

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I wasn't even upset when she saidanything, because, first of all,
I mean, let's be honest,has not everybody who has done any form
of time travel broken the code?Everybody including the people who wrote the code?
Yeah, that's enterprise. I'm thinkingabout I'm thinking about every single show

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has there has there been a singletime traveling show in all these seasons,
you know where there has not beenone level of it broken? Has there
not been a prime directive broken?Has there not been I mean, you
know they make all these rules.Oh my god, we're going right back
to the civil rights lawyer. Haven'tthey broken their rules when necessary? Every

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Okay, they're more like five lines, but you know the rules of time
travel. Although they do try reallyhard to stick by them, It's it's
hard. And there's a reason why. Because we're human. Even when we're
not human, we we have feelings. We are emotional beings. Even vulcans

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who suppress their emotions our emotional beings. Thus it is impossible to say that
we can not feel something when peopleenter our lives. Now, definitely,

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And you know what, since we'retalking about rules and time and all that,
it is unfortunately time to go toa commercial. So yeah, we're
gonna have to do commercial sign Butwhen we come back, we will talk
more about Star Trek Strange New Worlds, including two episodes which some people hated,
others loved, and not to mentionthe finale, which has me like

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banging my head against the wall andgoing, don't worry, You'll be getting
more from us in Subsist Radio injust a moment, don't Mark after this,

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uh stand by Houston Wayer receiving signalsfrom subspace. You are listening to
Mark Who forty twos. Universe.Welcome back to Mark Who forty two here
on the Stubspace Radio, where wehave been talking about Star Trek Strange New
World season two, the serious episode, the serious season, but then the

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not serious season, but then theserious and yeah, just a lot of
feelings and I just so yeah,I oh wow. Yeah, the Lone
Segers episode was a good one.Yeah, heavy, that was a heavy

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one. I've gotta love. Youknow how they're trying to keep their they're
trying to keep their memories. Youknow which one that reminded me of?
Which one it made me think aboutin the Cloud Minders where although that one

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was on purpose, but where theyhad the people working in the minds and
the minerals from the Minds kept theirtheir there. It didn't erase their memories
like the meteorite did, but itsuppressed their ability to think and process uh

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complex thoughts, so it kept themat a much more childlike and place its
level. So you had the peoplewho lived in the Cloud City who were
all all, look at us,we're pretty and we're brilliant, and we
have art and we're amazing. Andthe Traglodites lived down there and but they're

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they're not smart enough to live withus. But it was because they were
being harmed by the minerals. Andso it was very similar in where in
this episode you have the ore fromthis this meteor that basically would erase their

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memories. I mean, could youimagine that every day you wake up,
so you have to have tattoos soyou can remember, you create these totems
in your tent so you have yourstories. Oh my gosh, that's awful.
That's hard. It's and it's likewe got another you know, starfleet

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office. You know, got anotherexample, Yes, a star fleet officer
who's like, you know, justlike the that episode with the excuse me,
Space Germans. Oh I'm just gonnaspace Germans. Yeah, I was
gonna say Space Germans. Yeah.But yeah, the fact that the fact
that you have that episode, youknow, you have that episode where once

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again a star lead officer is like, you know what, I'm just gonna
do this. I'm gonna be incharge now, you know, and I'm
gonna bring this in and it's like, no, yeah, maybe we shouldn't.
Yeah, and it's like, oh, we're gonna, yeah, no,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do this.And it's like, yeah, we
have a a guy who yeah,you know, we have a guy who

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basically comes in and it's like,okay, you know, I'm just gonna
rule it all. Yeah. Sowe got that. We got that again,
we got that little chestnut again,and how you know, once again,
absolute power corrupts absolutely and you know, it just is, I don't
know, it just kind of blowsyour mind. The fact that this the

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starfiet Fleet officer, even though he'sin the palace and essentially protected, he
doesn't have a problem with it.He's fine being essentially king. I mean,
mind you, he seems to begoing mad, but you know,
and he doesn't have a problem withit. And I'm like, what happened
to the ideals? I don't careif you were left behind, what happened

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to your oath, what happened toyour thought process? What is wrong with
you? I'm just saying, yeah, no, definitely, after that,
I think after that, we hadwe had one of the one of the
one of the more lighthearted ones.Trades that were spots human half ended being

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predominant. That one was that one. I mean, it was just hilarious.
I it was Oh man, itwas just seeing Spock having struggled like
with just human things was just Ijust had a blast with it. I

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should probably feel bad, but Idon't. Uh. And then and then
just the whole ceremony with Kring andher parents that was also hilarious. I
just I gotta feel sorry for Dpring'sdad. Oh my gosh, Yes,
it's just so weird. I mean, oh, he's just he's weird.

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She's weird. I mean you lookat him. Oh no, it's not
it's a honey, it's kind ofyell. No, it's not. Uh,
poor guy, the poor guy.You just want to be like dude
blinked twice. Yea. I willsay of the episodes, it's my least
favorite, but I give it asolid mean highness, so it so I'm

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not saying when I say it's myleast favorite, it's my least favorite of
a still good show. Yeah,but where it's my least favorite, it's
what I would have done, isto me, there was a few bits
I would have in my head,I would have tightened a few things up,

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but that's because I'm always looking atthings that way. I'm always like,
you know, oh, you know, we could so tighten that up.
We know, you know, youcould have just made that scene just
a little whether it was tightening withtiming, with words, with whatever it

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is is thy, yeah, thatcould have float just a little smoother,
or you know, oh, thatawkward bit was awkward for like two seconds
too long, so it moved fromawkward funny to awkward awkward, which is
why I give it a solid beminus because well, it's like, yeah,

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and it's like, you know,a great example of that would be
would be Spock trying laughter for thefirst time, and it's just like,
whoa, dude, it wasn't thatfunny. I will say there were a
few times when Spock is doing thingsand I kept being struck by, oh
my god, I am watching SheldonCooper smile. Yeah, well we know

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that a couple of episodes after Boilernotices it and gets creeped out. Yes,
yes, there was definitely that goingon. No, yes, and
then him kind of getting together withNurse Chapel. It's like, I wasn't
expecting that, but that also putsNurse Chapel's appearances in the original series in

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a new light. Yes, youknow, especially especially like we get towards
we get we get towards the endof this season, and you know,
the mention of a certain individual whichwe will get to, you know,
kind of had me going ohohoh,okay, yeahs. I like the way
that it gets tied in, andI like the way that Spok has to

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get a little complicated. We knowthat looking at you know, Spock is
in in several series and movies,and when we look at both the Kelvin
and the traditional timelines, Spock hasa complicated life. I even basically we

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call a speech where he has thathe's half human and he struggles with all
these aspects of his life, andhe struggles with trying to pick a life
between human and vulcan. And Ithink that's why he can never quite pick

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a traditional mate, and which iswhy he will he will. He should
be struggling between these two and whyhe can't resolve between these two. And
it makes sense. It also makessense why at this stage in the relationship

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he would have I don't even wantto call it a fling because I don't
even think it's a fling, becausethe fling suggests something in modern connotation that
wouldn't be right. They're they're they'retrying to figure out what they feel for
each other. Yeah, there yougo. Yeah, you have a war

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nurse with PTSD trying to figure outwho she is and how she feels about
a half bulk and half human.You have a half bulke and half human
trying to figure out what he shoulddo, what his duty is, what
he wants, what he doesn't want. And you know there's going to be
a crack coming in season three that'sgoing to throw all this in and he's

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going to lose both of them,because you know what's going to happen.
Yeah, and you know we do. I mean, it's funny you mentioned
Nurse Chapel's PTSD because that does playin later on in the season in one
of those episodes. It's like,you're light hearted episode, now time for
the serious one. Yes. Ilike that after the spocket, so we

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do get a focus on the Hurrah. Yes, it's great to see,
and it also it feels a lotlike a next gen episode. You know,
we're dealing with all these hallucinations,but it's like, oh, there's
something to it, and like theway it's dealing with a species that is
not humanoid and does not deal withthings that are humanoid, because we because

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with Next Gen we started to dealwith things that were a lot more different.
We had a smidge to that inthe original series, but next Gen
we started to get like the CrystallineEntity, which was something completely different,
or some of the energy beings thatwere completely different. And this becomes important

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because too often it becomes easily whenour creatures are bipedal and they just look
like humans with antennae and blue skin, you know. So we need to
have other species out there that defineour concept of life. So the fact

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that there is a life that wecannot define, and their attempt at doing
language is hitting or he and thisother officer from the other ship because they
have this ability with language that theycan hear something and it's showing it through

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them through images, and so becausethey have that connection with death, and
it makes me think of, ohwhat am I thinking of? Remind me
what I'm thinking of? Where it'soh, oh ah, it's the card
gets on the on the planet withthe guy who talks in similes, and

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I like, yeah, oh yeah, no, no, you know what,
Actually I did not think of thatuntil you said something like. Now
that you said something, I'm like, you know, yeah, I can
I can understand. What's Can Ijust say, Vicky, you know,
if aliens are trying to communicate viaimage, uh, maybe next time,
don't use zombie. Oh my gosh, oh lord. It's like it's like

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at night my husband hit a lateat a late show and we were like,
okay, we're both still up,let's watch an episode. I was
like, oh my god, it'sone am. What the heck am I
watching. It's like, okay,cover stop zombie pretty good. I was

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not ready for that at all.Oh yeah, no, no, no,
no, the other and of course, hey, we get Kirk again,
and you know, once again,it's like there's Lawn, you know,
seeing Kirk and it's like, uh, and I didn't Universe boyfriend ruggle.
She she, It's fascinating to watchthis person who is you know,

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related to come on, who's thisamazing security chief. Yet her emotions are
right there, yeah there under that. Yeah. By the way, you've
seen the you've seen the meme that'sgoing around right, No, there's a
meme. It's scenes from Wrath ofKhan. Yeah, and it's like,

(39:23):
you know, it's like, youknow, Kirk and Khn fucking overview screen
and then Kirk says something like youknow, oh that's okay. You know,
you know, you may have genesis, but I'm the one who you
know, I'm the one who hiton your your great great great granddaughter.
And CON's like, what's like,what what what? It's like they do
it back and forth, like whatwhat? Okay, get to that's like

(39:45):
it's comfortable. Yeah, okay,you gotta get to one of two episodes
that I just I had a blast, lighthearted, but you know what,
still still just awesome episode The LooseOld Scientists. Yeah, I owe my

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look. First off, First off, the animated opening, Yes, loved
it. I love that it startedanimated, yes, you know like Lower
Decks and then switched to live action. I love that they bookended it.
Yeah, the Strange New Worlds grewanimated and the nets start having the ale

(40:30):
and it's like, reject It's justweird. That episode was so much about
that. Oh yeah, I absolutelyloved because I love Lower Decks. I
love reverence of Lower decks, Yes, everything I love about Star Trek and

(40:54):
says you know, you know,well, what I love is that it's
reverent but irreverent at the same time. Yes, all these great it has
all these great little nods the classicTrek that you know that it was very
lovingly and but then it also justlampshades hell out of it. Yes,

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and you know, and then thisepisode, I thought this episode, this
crossover episode, was perfect because itshowed how Lower Text would still be like
a part of the Greater Trek universe. It can still interact like the fact
that Boiler Just No, we don'thave many crossover episodes. This episode right
up there with the Trouble with Triplescrossover episode because they figure out how to

(41:46):
do it seamless, yep, howto do it beautifully. And I mean
when I heard they were going todo this, my first thought was,
well, okay, you know,a couple of the characters actual do look
like their their their characters the waythey're drawn enough that they could pull that
off. And they did it withthe two characters that actually kind of look

(42:07):
like the actors, so okay,they could pull that off. But it
was kind of like, oh myever living God, this was funny.
I mean I was dying from startto finish. I couldn't stop laughing.
By the way you did. Youdidn't notice like around this time, we

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didn't have a trailer for the nextseason of Lower Decks and noticed that they
did drop a reference to this episodebecause he and Yeah, you had Boimler
and Marin are talking. It's like, oh yeah, and that thing with
the Enterprise and it's like shut up, nah. Yeah. So it was

(42:50):
it was cool. It's cool toknow that in Lower Decks that they're going
to you know, that they're atleast going to drop it. Ooh man.
The next episode was next episode,Oh lord. I mean, first
of all, great that they goback into Venga's history because we know Venga

(43:15):
and Chapel, yeah, kind ofare bonded because of their experiences with the
Klingon War. Yeah, and justgo back to that, and just to
go to that, you know,I mean the whole episode, you know,
it's like you have that Klingon Ambassadorapparently trying like get along with everybody

(43:37):
and even trying to extend the OliveBranch to Venga and Chapel, and it's
like, you know, they justit was. Man, it's like it
took it actually took what was goingon with Star Trek six, you know,

(43:58):
Kirk's reaction to the whole thing.It took that and it shopped it
up to a like it sent itup to eleven. It's like, Okay,
this is you know, especially thereveal. I don't know how I
feel about the reveal. You knowthat the Klingon Ambassador was you know,
trying to foist you know, tryingto foster a lie. I don't know

(44:20):
I feel about that. But atthe same time, I'm like, it's
interesting, it's interesting. And Ialso one thing, I mean, I
do want to get your opinion onthat, on this, on this,
on this one thing. Sombenga hasbeen running, has been acting as chief
medical Officer, yes, for thepast couple of seasons. Now, the
thing is that those of us whoyou know, grew up with the original

(44:42):
series, we know that eventually becomesMcCoy. You know, we get the
the you know, the Three Musketeersof or expocking McCoy. Yes. Now,
I don't know if you remember,but the second the second Star Trek
Pilot, the one that introduced Kirkand you know, the crew that we

(45:04):
know and love. That one didnot have McCoy correct, he was not
the chief medical officer. It wassomebody named Mark Piper. Oh yeah,
that's right. So the thing tome, you know, and then,
especially after seeing this episode, I'mlike, are we going to get a
point somewhere in the run of thisof this show? Are we going to

(45:27):
get a point where Benga is gonnaleave and Piper comes in and that's possible?
You know, are we going toget that? Especially because like you
know, as we get into theseason finale, I even had a thought
and I was just like, ohboy, yes, so real quick on
the I'm going to call the MASHepisode. And I was actually really pleased

(45:49):
to find out that they based alot of their their look and feel of
this episode on several episodes of Mashbecause it makes sense and having been around
the planet for a while and knowingwhat it's been like with war and genocides

(46:15):
and the struggles we've had on thisplanet on how do you move forward once
a genocide or an ugly war hasoccurred, and how do you move forward?
How do you? And I thinkabout you know, Desmond Tutu and
his efforts to make peace in SouthAfrica and without necessarily moving forward with punishment

(46:42):
per se, and then others havedone it with the punishment angle. And
on one hand you have him comingforward trying to work for peace, but
on the other hand, he isthe butcher who then took advantage of the
fact of someone else killing his lieutenantsto run. And I am on the
fence. On one hand, he'strying to broke her peace. It's not

(47:06):
based on a line, but he'strying to break a piece. On the
other hand, the doctor is takingadvantage of a situation to get rid of
a butcher. And I don't knowhow I feel with my own family connections
two things like this. I cannotmake an equivocal answer to that. So

(47:30):
I would like to move on tothe musical episode because I want to think
happy thoughts. Okay, so happythoughts, happy thoughts. You know we
have the musical episode. I likedit. The next day I saw that
the soundtrack was available, and Ibought off iTunes, I downloaded it.
I love, I mean, andwell you know I got. I got

(47:52):
half of what I wanted, whichwas yeah, the Klingons did built out
in the song. It was kindof more kop. It was more Kpe,
but you know what, it wasjust so hilarious reaction. Did you
know that the the Klingon commander isthe guy who plays Hemmler. Yes,

(48:14):
that was funny. When I readthat, I'm like, no, I'm
like, hey, we got youknow, well we got zombie Hemler,
but hey, let's have the actorcome back and not here's something light hearted
and I have to this bit thatwe're watching it. We're enjoying every bit.
And you needed that lightness after thedarkness of episode eight. You really

(48:35):
needed that lightness. It was great, It was wonderful. At some point
where watching my husband goes, wow, this really feels like like the Buffy
musical episode, which of course isthe musical episode is it is the best
musical episode of TV shows ever inthe history of the universe. Sorry,
just goes And it turns out thatthey were oh favorite song, Oh oh

(49:05):
oh, you would puppy on thespot. Damn it. M oh,
don't don't do that to me.God, now I'm doing that to you.
I'm doing it to you. Well, first, what I'd like to
do is I'd like to say thatit was nice to find out that they

(49:28):
actually really wanted to go with thesound and the feeling of that episode,
and they specifically the Buffy episode,So they really did try to go with
that one. Okay, song songsong? What is my favorite song?
I know? Why would you askme something so horrible? Oh? I

(50:00):
no, I know, I know, I don't know. You tell me
what's yours? Okay? For me, it would be the one between Number
one and Kirk connect to your crew. That was I thought it was just
such a fun, lighthearted, little, you know, little like little song,

(50:20):
although the lone Gilbert and Sullivan linekind of sounded weird. Yeah,
I know, I know, butbelt I do. Yeah, Lawns was
good. There's a part of methat, you know, we have those
images of her and Kirk like inthe in the bed, and I'm like,
get that happened or was that inher head? M hmm no,

(50:42):
because I think that really happened intoront Well, actually you're right, I
don't. We don't. We knowthey kissed, but we don't really know
about anything else. Yeah, Imean, did anything else happen? And
I'm kind of heartbroken, you know, Yeah, she got her heart broken.
But now there's a that is onethe reference to Carol Marcus oh Man.

(51:06):
Yeah. And then and then theone that really got me, The
one that really got me is whenuh Chapel mentions her fellowship and she said
Rby the Corby Fellowship. I'm like, yes, crash because that, of
course because her fiance that goes missing. So then you can go, oh,

(51:30):
oh, spoiler, spoiler, Ohyep, yep, yep, yep,
yep, which means yeah, whenshe gets when she gets back to
the Enterprise, Yeah, she andSpock. Oh boy, like, it's
good that they had their little breakupnow, because it's hard to have that

(51:51):
discussion. It's hard to have thatthought. But I mean, oh,
but that was such an amazing episode. And if you don't like musical episodes,
fine just skip it. But here'sthe thing. Everything what Vicky,
Vicky, I'm sorry, but unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, we are at

(52:14):
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This is Mark who forty two himself, Mark Baumgarden. Unfortunately, we don't
have extra innings tonight, so we'regoing to be unable to talk about the
season finale at Star Trek Strange NewWorlds. But I have a challenge for

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