Review of Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse

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it to Zion to lead into thesubject for today, which is the Spider
Verse sequel, the Spider Verse.Right, yeah, across the Spider Verse,
I think the greatest SUPERHEROI of alltime. I see we can tell

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we can tell you, Zion,and you're ready to fight. Okay,
what are you doing? I keykid? Yeah, today we're covering Man
Spider Verse. No is it?No interper was the first one. This
is across Spider Verse. Yeah,I think about that too. It was

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like, don't do the titles thatclose? But then again I get it.
Yeah, no, I get ittoo. I get it too,
although I am Yeah, for me, it's like, okay, right,
the first one was into this isacross. The third one, which was
to come next year, but youknow we'll discuss that later. Is beyond

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okay, so it's correct, acrossbeyond, beyond beyond. Rely, I'm
back in school. I'm back inschool. I'm back in school again.
You have to do this to we'rehaving too much fun. But yeah,
let's get into this. Oh yeah, no, definitely. Um, So

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for the rooms, you know weneed to catch up, uh in into
the Spider There we were introduced toMiles Morales making his big animated debut on
the screen. Miles was you know, Miles is um you know, he
inherited the Spider Man title after hisSpider Man was killed by the King Din.

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He ended up teaming up with multipleSpider Man from across the Dimensions to
stop the Kingdin, who was tryingto open up dimensional pose. Uh and
in you know, yeah, hefound himself he you know, managed to
save the world and yeah, becomebecome the new Spider Man. So this

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one kind of picks up what wasit like a few months, about a
few months, yeah, yeah,about a few months. Yeah, he's
been you know, he's been tryingto do the thing. Uh you know,
he's been trying to do the thing, you know, being a superhero,
balancing screw, trying not to tellGlentis and also missing missing his uh

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interventional crush Spider twin which she's stilldoing Spiderwin right, Yes, yes,
okay, yeah, because I knowthat in the comics, they they've been
using the name Ghost Spider. Interesting, I've never heard that one. Yeah,

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Like I think a couple of yearsago they they switched. You know,
she she got like a she gaveherself a new identity of Ghost Spider,
which a kind of fits. Yeah. No, yeah, you know

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it's it's something yet it fits,it fits, and and plus it's like,
yeah, that doesn't feel like aan identity that could be, you
know, a real identity that couldsimply be costly for the regular identity.
It's like, yeah, yeah,you might not want to call yourself Spider

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Gwynn. It's like, hey,look, there's that girl that looks almost
exactly like Spider Gwynn and her nameis Gwynn. Hey, well, you
know there is a few times inthis movie that she refers to her spell
self as Spider Woman. Yeah.Yeah, I think I think it's which
is interesting. It's supposed to beOkay, it's supraope to be like,

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I think it's officially supposed to belike Spider Woman or Spider Girl. It's
just the Spider gwyn is an identifier. Yes, I think you're right.
Yeah, like it's although, yeah, now calling herself, Yeah, I
think I think I believe the inuniverse explanation the good Spider thing is because

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because she's dimension hopping. Um yeahsherself. Yeah. Yeah, she calls
herself ghost Spider propose. Yeah shecan't. Um, you know that way
another spider you know that way islike another Spider Woman shows up and somebody
says, hey, Spider Woman,you don't have like people like Yes,

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we kind of had that, Wekind of had something like that in the
film proper, but um lot wise. Yeah, Miles is doing the thing
and he runs into a villain calledthe Spot. Oh my god, that
is so good too. The Spotfinds out how to jump dimensions, and
well Spider you know, Spider Gwen, who's having her own issues with covering

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her identity. You know, sheends up being outed after facing a renaissance.
Sure what that interesting? Who lovedthe love the da Vinci design?
That was awesome? Yes, awesome, I love that, love that da
Vinci design. And oh man,the scene where she gets out in front

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of her policeman dad, who's like, oh Spider Woman, kid Parker.
It's like, oh, awkward,awkward family conversation time. Yes, but
she does get saved by a SpiderWoman Jessica Drew Spider Boss having do you
know what that version reminded me ofthat version of Spider Woman reminded me of

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I'm going to show my age.Okay, the original Electric Company back then,
so I liked the company that hadMorgan Freeman and Rita Morano also had
a Spider Man that was on itand then and yes, okay, of
course the costume was horrible, butin in towards the end they had a
spider woman and she had the samenot quite as cool outfit. She wasn't

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pregnant, but um, it justit looked very much like her. Even
the afro was the same, andit just was like my childhood. I
would not be surprised. I wouldnot be surprised. Um, you know,
it would be surprised if that lookslike Asis. Yeah, you kind

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of wonder the Electric Company. I'venever heard of that really, The Electric
Company. Yeah, it was inthe seventies on PBS and it often followed
Sesame Street, but it was morefor the teens and the tweens. And
it was actually where where Morgan Freemangot his first big breaks outside of the

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stage. And it was a resurgencefor Eda Moren because you know, she
was this big star and then theydidn't know what to do with her because
you know, Hollywood and anyone ofcolor struggled, So it just it gave
her a resurgence, gave I mean, and it's a funny story because Morgan

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Freeman, I want to say,was already in his late thirties early forties
by the time he did Electric Company. You know, relatively speaking, he
was late to the game. Butit just and they would tell us how
to spell and how to count anddo all that other things, but with
kind of a cool vibe as opposedto and I love Sesame Street too,

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but you know, it was aslightly different vibe. And it's just one
of those things that I always thoughtthat they were as a kid. I
thought they were two sides to thesame coin. And I loved it.
And I don't know, that mightbe where I got my first idea to
read comic books, because I wouldhave watched Electric Company when I was five,
six, seven years old. Soyou know what, Actually it's funny

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because yeah, I did, Idid do the thing as a child.
I did do uh you know,I did Electric Company. I did.
I did, you know, Ireb It's like I would watch Sesame Street.
Electric Company came like right on rightafter. It's like, yeah,
you know, you had the onetwo punch you know where you had yeah

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forever, Yeah, mister Rogers wasin the lineup, took the spot.
It's hilarious, right, yes,ses conception. No one took him seriously
even when I was like you readingon what he came in around like what
the eighties or so, I remember, but I was reading his appears.

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I just came across like what yearsago. But Spider Man didn't take him
seriously. My friend gonna take himseriously. And I'm just saying, look
look at him. There's there's giantpotential here. Look And I feel like
they really did that in this potential. It's incredible what they did with this
character. I love. I lovethe fact that they tied him in the

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multiverse. Yes, in the comics. I mean basically he just uses it
to you know, he it's justa means to travel and just having weird
fights with superheroes where you know,we're like, yeah they they Jim and
it goes into you know, thefist comes back. But it's like it's

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like, oh, it's the multiverse. And I love that they tied him
back in Also, um there stillyou know, he talks, He's like
my head and it's like, oh, oh gee, you know, it's

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like oh wait, you know,so it's like so yeah, it makes
you want to go back see theguy that got the right in his head
and be like, oh, there'sJonathan Home. Yeah. And it's great
because I said, my first exposureto the spot nineties Spider Man cartoon,
the one that you know, theone that was on Fox, the one
that had Christuper Daniel Barnes Spider Manand exactly, you know, that was

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my first That was my first exposureto the spot and then to find out
that he's actually in the comics,and then to find out he's actually been
in the comics for like a decadebefore he made his animated series debut,
it's like whoa hold on, youknow, getting obscure character and putting him
in the spotlight. Wow. AndI love the arc. I love the

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fact that we get to see himgo from a joke, which he absolutely
was, to this maniacal It can'tget much worse than him, because he
could destroy every multiverse, you know, every universe in the multiverse if he's
so desired. I mean, that'sjust scary. Oh yeah, no,

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definitely. But they did such agood thing. Yeah, job with that
that you know you're laughing at himin the beginning, and by the end
of the show you're like, oh, shoot, he's gonna be Um,
he's gonna miss a lot of thingsup, this is gonna be Yeah,
this is now a problem. Yeah. Um, this is one of those

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those things that the incredible job Ihaven't been used incredible, Like there's a
different word for this thing. Justa job that they did with the animation.
Like if you call in the bestof the best ms Hugh movie,
it wouldn't be the same way ashe's portrayed here, you wouldn't. Yeah,

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same, because he seems to theguy in a suit as using um
portal powers that strength has done already, but with animation you could do so
much more. Yes, they maximize, Yes, I'm saying through this entire
thing, they maximize this movie's entireentirety. Yes, here and here.

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I thought we'd talk and you know, the worry folks were not all of
a sudden talking about Rise and Peace. We're not talking about the Transformer sequel.
But um, yeah, definitely,I mean it's just uh it is
yeah, No, it's it's makingmaking a joke character and turning him into
an actual like, yes, thatthat is just I like it when sometimes

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there's those close ups of him andyou can see the sketch lines. M
yes, that It's just it's thevisual art of this entire movie is so
magical, and I think think it'swhy doing in an animation makes it so
much better than it could possibly beas a live action, because you have

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all the different animation styles. Everycharacter has a different style, every character
has a kind of a different theme, and then when you throw in those
little live bits, you kind ofgo, it's perfect. Yeah, no,
definitely, I mean it's it's theanimation styles. Was the thing that
caught me. Yeah, like youknow, that was the interest thing that

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caught me is the fact that allthese different animation styles. Now you know,
Spider has that weird kind of ohyes, yeah, no you have
you know you have you also haveuh, you know, the sketchiness,
the kind of da Vinci um,right, she feels like he's made on

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parchment with the cpa ink without athis designs and his weapons fit with something
that you could see da Vinci designing. Yes, exactly exactly, And that's
why I just I love it.I love the work, the aesthetic,
the Yeah, I love I loveyou know, I just look how everybody

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has that difference. Um. Umthere was a scene where he was doing
a bomb right and again, andany other Adam in the movie he just
going the bomb. But in thismovie right, yes, yes, incredible,

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yes, yeah, no, definitelydefinitely um and man was talking about
so yeah, I I you know, I mentioned this. I love the
spiders that we got that we gotlike starting with with um, you know,
Jessica Drew, I love Spider Trunk. I love and it made sense,

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you know, you know, he'sa team player, but he's subversive.
He's he's you know, screw theestablishment. But and and it just
I love it when Miles goes,oh my god, without your master even
cooler, you know, yeah,and he was, I mean it's just
like, oh yeah, I'd hangwith you. Oh yeah, yeah,

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yeah. I just love Spider ManIndia. That was oh, my lawyer,
that whole Bollywood scene, because that'swhat it was. It was this
gigantur Bollywood. And of course it'sbefore anything bad has happened. It's before
all the cannon stuff that has tohappen happens. And he's so happy and

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he's so filled with joy, andeverything about it is correct and realistic,
and I just I don't know,I enjoyed the heck out of that whole
time. The only thing that thatwas sad about is they didn't break out
and dance and songs. Yeah,they missed that bit, don't they know?
That's you know what I um,you know what, I wouldn't be

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surprised actually in um in the hlike in the sequels. Yeah, please,
you know, like at the end, be saved and you just have
um, you know, you justhave like um, you know, you
get like one little happen or whateverit's called. You just get little of

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it. Yeah, and he's dancingbecause it's like, oh, we'll save
It's like, oh okay, sure, you know the sign of that cost
ye oh lord, wasn't that oneof the most gorgeous things you'd ever seen?
Yeah? No, And here's likeSpider Man India. There's not like

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a comic book counterpart. Yeah thatit's like, yeah, it's just so
different because it's you know, youbasically have you know, you have like
it's just basically yeah, like theSpider Man outfit with like a skirt you
know, a couple of little thingshere and there. Right, this was

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just so usually distinctive that I'm justlike, wow, oh, yes,
so that's cool. That is reallycool. It was a superior redesign.
Yes, I asked agree because Ifeel like they m it was informed.

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It was far more accurate, andit wasn't a caricature. You know.
You you actually felt like, Okay, here's somebody who understands this culture.
They probably got some very goods inputfrom people who actually knew what they were
doing. And you know, whenyou think about some of the stuff,
you know, growing up with someof the older comic books and seeing now

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that they're going, okay, well, you know what, we want to
embrace the culture. And I lovesome of the biting comments like oh,
another Westerner out here in India tryingto get enlightenment. You know, how
stereotypical can you be? You knowit may I just it was hard not
to just die of hysterics because itwas so sublime and beautiful, and I

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just I want to see more now. I just isn't that wild the way
that this movie moved in so manygreat ways? And I think we all
agree that again doing it as ananimation, and people like to discount animation

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and the wrong. Yes, animationhas a place, and it can be
just as powerful and just as amazingas um as a quote unquote live action.
Some things actually would be more powerfulas an animation. This would would

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not be as powerful as a quoteunquote live action. Yeah, no,
it wouldn't. It wouldn't. Itwouldn't. It wouldn't. It wouldn't have
a divisual style. No, nomatter how hard you tried, it just
wouldn't be enough. And so Iapplaud them, and I ap thought the
fact that it's going to be atrio. Oh yeah it Yes, this

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is interesting. But also I wantto say something because we haven't talked about
this yet. So this movie,just just for the outside person, is
an incredible movie, right, mBut but as a comic book reader,
this is next level. Yes,you know it was funny. I never
had any reaction to the comic codeauthority symbol. Yeah, but the fact

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that they put that God told meeverything about what this movie was going to
be. Yes, yeah, yousee have jokes where where people laugh,
I was all one laughing there wasYes, I did too, and to

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my son afterwards, it just youknow that sold that came in Yeah,
I don't know, like fifties,mid fifties something like that. Yeah,
it was not had a had likea yeah. After after he basically was
like corrupting the children. Yeah,where we heard that before? I know,

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it's always someone else's fault. Um. Sorry, And it just I
thought that that being on there wasagain part of the subversiveness, part of
the beauty of it. Um.It was like, thank you for that
little bit because to anyone who readcomic books, because that that thing was

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on there for decades and decades.I think it only they finally stopped doing
it. Only recently, didn't they, like in the last sense, in
about the last last like twenty yearsor so. Yeah, you know what
this Unfortunately our conversation cannot last twentyyears or decades. We do have to

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go to commercial. But hey,when we come back, it's more about
the Spider Verse, especially because wegot plenty more Spider Man to talk about.
Holy cow, ouch za, don'tgo, I don't go. Mark

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I don't know. I don't thinkI'm gonna tell you. All I
gotta say is I just made anotherjoke because we're jumping into the multi verse,
actually the spider Verse, because we'retalking about the Spider Verse, sequels,
Spider Man across the Spider Verse.If you were here for the first
half, you know we talked aboutMiles where he is. We talked about
Gwinn, We talked about Renaissance eravultures, we talked about the Spot.

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We've talked about Spider Man India.We talked a little bit about Spiderpunk.
We've talked about a whole bunch ofSpider Man and women. But you know,
what are we done yet? Isthat all the Spider women that we
have? Oh? Heavens no scratchedthe surface, I think, but I

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think those to start off this half, we do need to talk about the
big altered universe Spider Man Spider Mantwo ninety nine. First off, I
love the fact that they got OscarIsaacs to voice him. I love Oscar
Isaacs. I love that Spider Manin twenty ninety nine first appeared in an

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end credit scene in Spider Verse,it was still Oscar Isaacs. Uh.
And then I love how they expandedhis role here. It turns out that
the Army of Multiversal Spider Man,he's in charge of it. And in
what I found interesting though, isthat in many ways, he's really the

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second antagonist of this film. Yes, very true. You know, the
whole the whole thing is that heexplains the Miles that there are things called
anon events, events that must happen. It's the spider Verse version of fixed

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moments in time. It is thepoint again, yep, I know,
I know that. The yep,I know that. Uh. You know,
we talked about the Spider Man India. One of the thing that happens
to Spider Man Indias that Miles rescuesum Spider Man India equivalent of I think
it was George Stacey, right,yeah, like, yeah, he rescues

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Spider Man, India's version of GeorgeStacey, who was supposed to die in
a bridge collapse, but instead,you know, instead he saves him.
And apparently that opens up a portalthat's destabilizing that reality, and you know,
you see a bunch of Spider Manshow up trying to you know,
trying to figure a way to stabilizeit. Yeah. What twenty ninety nine

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says that every Spider Man has tohave that element of tragedy lest their reality
collapse. So it's like, that'ssupposed to explain why we always have Uncle
Ben dying or this person dying,or the fact that you know, uh
Miles and his uncle Aaron, andit's like it's it's one of these things.

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You know. He tries to kindof setting up as it's for the
greater good type of deal, right, and it's like Miles, it's like,
no, no, we can't justlet tragedy happen. We have to
at least try, uh, youknow, a bunch of the Spider Man
are like, well, no,you know, mild you know, uh,
Miguel has a point, you know, other Spider Man are kind of

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hesitant. I know, Gwen reallydoesn't want that to be the case.
Right. One thing actually that Ifound, you know, and it's interesting
because you know, cut to theend of the film and Gwen actually finally
gets a chance to have a heartto heart with her dad and finds out
that with the police force, andit's like, right there you have that,

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you know, that kind of littlewhole variant, you know, that
little variation that it's like, maybeit doesn't have to be. The Other
thing gets me though, is see, I'm I'm very familiar with Spider Man
twenty ninety nine because back in Iwant I say it was ninety two that

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Marvel started doing twenty ninety nine comics. Yeah, I heard about that.
I read. I read Spider Mantwenty ninety nine and here's the thing,
though, here's the thing, here'sthe dirty secret, and I wonder if
this will come into play. Thereis no in an event, at least

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for the comic version of Miguel O'Hara, like he didn't have He did not
have a dead uncle. Ben Isdad had passed away before the events of
the of the comic book, buthis dad was a Jerk liked of the
death or the loss of a love. Well, he think he lose a

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wife or girlfriend or something in thecomic, Am I remembering someone else?
You know what? Yes? Yes, because he did. He had a
girlfriend that you know, they eventuallysplit up and she was killed by the
twenty equivalent to venom. But thingthough, that happened very late in the

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book. That happened after he wasSpider Man for a good while. So
then it makes you wonder, whyis he so gung ho? Now,
of course in the movie you havea different story, and it's the loss
of a family, and then hegoes and gets the family back, but

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you know, it's it's them.You know, the world ends up collapsing
on itself, kind of like inDoctor Strange Multiverse. Is that you know,
you cause death and destruction, exceptthat I think it's awfully hubrious of
him to go, oh, well, I cause death and destruction so nobody
else can, right, Yeah,no, And not to mention the fact

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that we have another thing in thefilm that would kind of punch a hole
in Miguel O'Hara's logic. And that'sagain, you know, sorry to jump
forward, but the movie basically endson a cliffhanger because you have you know,
Gwen decides to gather up her ownteam of Spider People to try and

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save Miles because you know, Miguelnow has a mat on for him.
Miles ends up in another dimension,like he thinks he's he's heading home to
save his dad, but he endsup in another dimension. And yeah,
Miles Morales has become the Prowler.His uncle Aaron's alive, but he's working

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for his nephew who's like this,you know, big criminal. And the
one who's dead is actually Miles' dad. Miles's dad is the one who's dead.
The thing that is interesting because it'slike, okay, so there's the
cannon event. Yeah, wait aminute, if that's the case, why

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is Miles a villain in this timeline? Yes, like this actually throws you
know this actually and Miguel claims thatPeter Parker in Earth forty two should have
become but it kind of makes youthink that maybe Miles was the one in
Earth forty two who should have becomethe Spider Man as opposed to the villain,
because everything that was set up kindof screams that Earth forty two's Miles

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should have been the one to getbit, so it should have still been
a Miles, and Miguel's assertion itshould have been Peter is wrong. Yeah,
you know, And I realized thatthere's a lot of things going on.
But it's like Miguel thinks he knowswhat's what's right and what's not.
But then you look at all thedifferent you know, we have the clones

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Spider Man's, We've got the oneoff Spider Man's. I mean, not
all of these are Peters and notall of the tragedy. Yeah, like
I know that. Well, likeI know also, you know, we
want to if we want to dipthe comics. Uh, there was a
Peter Parker from there's a book calledsixteen o two written by Neil Gaiman,

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which has Marvel heroes being created inthe year sixteen o two eighty. Oh
wow, you still have a PeterParker there, And to the custom of
my knowledge, he doesn't have likean Uncle Ben. Event I think he
he got you know, I knowthat at the end of there was like
maybe two different minis that take placein sixteen o two, and I know

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at the end of at the endof that he gets written. Now,
I suppose the cannon event for himis not his uncle Ben, but he
was. He was like helping thesixteen o two equivalent of Doctor Strange,
who was wow arrested and beheaded.So it's like, okay, maybe that's

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the cannon event. But you know, there's like, yeah, there's all
these Peters and it's like all thesePeters and miles Is and Winds and Maize
and kind of like mcguel is sohyper focused that you know, he can't
see the forest for the trees,you know, when he's looking at the

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multiverse, and then he's looking atthe Spider Verse intertwined with the multiverse,
and he shows us that tree thatwe've seen before in Loki and in Doctor
Strange and um and in Spider ManNo Way Home. You know we've seen
this, and then he shows thatSpider Verse which, by the way,
just a side note, holy crap, that was amazing. Um But we'll

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get into that in a minute.But is that that Miguel who's made himself
the keeper of the flame. He'smade himself, you know, the one
who remains that he's again so obsessiveand hyper focused, even though he is

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surrounded by variations. He has decidedthat Miles should never have existed as a
Spider and that decision and that myopicobsession is is just making him make bad

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decision after bad decision after bad decision, and he's wrong. Yeah, especially
because it's like here's the thing,you know. You know, it's like,
okay, yeah, my you know, Miles had no control over being
bitten by a really lacked a spiderthat came from another r you know.
It's like, you know, andit's like, okay, smart guy.
So Miles isn't supposed to be aSpider man. How are you supposed to

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fix this? You know? Andit's like and it's like, oh,
your solution is killed his dad.It's like okay, wow, it's you
know, geez, Louise, It'slike what what are you from the bubotic
plague where they used to like,yeah, in their houses. You know.
It's like how awful can you?Gee? Yeah, it's like,

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what the heck? I must killthe world seriously, people get over yourselves.
Yea. By the way, Ijust I love that one of the
one of the spiders is Ben Riley. I love that they threw in Ben
Riley from the Clone Wars, andI actually like Andy Samberg, you know,

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just being all, you know,overly dramatic. Yes, I just
thought that's that's a that's just sucha great little you know, a great
little bit here, you know,having an overly dramatic Andy Samberg. Um,
well, wouldn't you say that?The five bazillion Spider Man are just
absolutely wonderful everything about that trying youcould recognize, yeah, you know.

(38:00):
And and by the way, Ilove kudos to the filmmakers for doing us
a favor and having moments where theSpider Man or I did Yeah, it's
like, oh okay, so yeah, okay, so that is who that
is? Right, So I wasright. You know, it's like they
didn't they didn't do that in thepreviews, but at least here it's like,

(38:21):
oh, okay, we can recognizethe Spider Man. Yeah, yeah,
they actually I did them. Um. I have to admit though there
was one Spider Man that I washoping would show up. He didn't show
up, and I'm like, pleasetell me they'll have them show up.
And beyond the Spider Verse, weneeded the Spider Man, the Japanese Spider

(38:43):
Man with the giant Robot. Iknow, we have Penny Parker. I
know we have Penny Parker, butdamn we need the Spider Man with the
giant mech. Come on, Iwas that's right there. I mean,
I mean Follower verse because because morethan destroyed it, well, I mean,

(39:07):
you know, he could have Hey, he could have built a new
one. You know this this youcan get. Yeah, and not to
mention this is this is we're dealingwith a multiverse. They could also play
a Japanese Spider Man with a giantmech from a universe where it wasn't destroyed.
I mean, come on, man, come on, think of how
cool? Think of how cool theSpider Man chase throughout Earth, you know,

(39:31):
throughout Noil York. You know,you have all these Spider Man chasing.
Good. Imagine Miles thinking he's homefree, and then all of a
sudden, this giant mecum shows upand then the Japanese Spider Man going,
I am ambam hell. It's like, what come on man? Yeah,

(39:55):
I give us. The Ambassador wasso much I enjoy in that world.
There was I just all these differentspiders, which you know, I'm sad
to say I only knew a few, but I was excited to then go
and research further and see, ohthat's interesting. That's an interesting one.

(40:19):
And I just I don't know,I just loved it. I thought it
was so well done. And eventhough you had this plethora of Spider men
and women and children and pars andit just you they gave each character their
character, even as they were,you know, following in mass you still

(40:44):
could distinguish different people and different things, and that was so much fun.
Oh yeah, yeah. And ofcourse you got the stop Spider Man and
everybody's pointing at each other, whichone that was so good. You know.
The the amount of respect that thismovie has shown for just the myth

(41:09):
thos of Spider Man just cross isreally incredible. Like, um, we
don't talked about the Cannemy events andthen and like the way that they put
it in there is like so isso seamless. Okay, um saves saves
uh save safety? Um Indian Policecaptain cool? Right, And then you

(41:36):
asked the Columbic Reader are reminded aboutwhat was it a Spider Man ninety That's
what he said, right where kindof Stacy dies and you're like, oh,
oh yeah, that is supposed tohappen. Yeah, that does always
happen, doesn't it. And likeit's just the fact that, like it

(42:00):
was, say, it's shown thatit's just a normal sim saves Saves the
Day now, Colm, And likelike I'm on like with Gwen right,
um everything with Gwen. He's inthe same art style as as as the
twenty fifteen comic. And it's weirdthat it took me a while to realize

(42:23):
the last thing. I was like, where have I seen it before?
Like, wait, this is literallythe covers. This is literally the book.
Yes, and it is beautiful,Like wow, the amount of work
and respect that this thing puts inis really incredible. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah. And I know that,you know, I know that Dan

(42:43):
Slot who actually wrote the original uhSpider Verse story, he's been on cloud
nine. You know, he's he'sloved it. He's loved what they've done
with it. Oh yeah, Ibet she's Like that's one thing that I
wonder. We have all these Bidermanhere, we're missing Spider Man sixty six,

(43:06):
and they know that they're they're holdingonto me and and I want to
I do want to know what they'regonna do with it, because like I
I was thinking, is there gonnabe any live action? Sure enough,
there's Donald Glover as well. Yeah, we didn't know, and we also
did we did have Yeah, wehad Donald Glovers like his vert. You

(43:29):
know, it's like another version ofCrowler. Uh. You know, I
do love I do love the factthat he interacted with Miles and you have
like a hey, it's impolite tostare and somebody saying, you know,
or how he joins in on thebooze but like just very nonchalantly, he's
like boom. Yeah, you know, I thought I thought that was a

(43:52):
fun. That was cool. Ilike that they used footage from from you
know, the Toe Maguire and thegri Garfield, Uh, Spider Man movies.
You know, I do love thatthey made a reference no Way Home,
Yes, and they used and here'sthe thing that got me, they

(44:13):
used the designation, the actual multiversdesignation of the yeah of the MCU yep.
And you know, you just gottalove you just gotta love Miguel just
being all mad, you know,and just being like ah, Spider Man

(44:37):
and that, you know, andthat wizard from you know, yep,
yep, that was you know,that was great. I love you know,
there's still Yeah, you could stillhave a Spider Man that is supposed
to be six one six. Youmay be able to slip one in there.
You may be able to slip himin there. You might be able

(44:59):
to have Tom Holland show up.I mean, who knows, who knows
what they got in Mare, youknow, because we still have like an
entire we still have like an entiremovie to go. I do know,
I do know. Okay, soI saw I didn't get a chance to
read the article, but I sawthat someone was saying, you know,
oh, there's not you know,I don't know if there's a chance that

(45:21):
it could actually be all done bytwenty twenty four. What I'm hoping is
the articles just click bait. Ido know that we're in you know,
and then supposedly, you know,like Hayley start Stanfeld has said she hasn't
recorded anything yet. It could be, you know, it could be one

(45:43):
of these things where they're just sayingthat and yeah, you know, we'll
still get it on time. Itcould be that the current writers strike has
kind of nailed stuff. So youknow, it's yeah, I don't know,
I don't know, but hopefully weget it sooner rather than later,
you know, hopefully we do getit, like in a decent amount of
time and we're not sitting here fortoo long with a massive cliffhanger. Um,

(46:07):
because yeah, I agree. I'vejust so I've just so enjoyed this
and I'm just so enjoyed the factthat they they they really went all in
for the multiverse concept. You know, I know that this is I know
that this is the This is theone of two movies that we have this

(46:32):
you know, this summer that dealwith the multiverse, or at least act
like they deal with the multiverse.And so far, you know, so
far I got it. Like Ihave to see the other one, which
is you know, The Flash,right, Yeah, so far though,
so far though, I would haveto say that this is in the lead.

(46:55):
Yes, this is definitely in thatthat I've been hearing from people who
have seen it. It just thisis by far the superior multiverse film.
And it's a very good film,even you know, not even addressing it
as part of the multiverse, noteven I mean, it's good for a

(47:19):
film, it's good for an MCUfilm, it's good for a non MCU
film. It's just so well madeso well written that it's kind of like,
well, it's kind of why it'sit's it's an almost perfect film.
Everyone can enjoy this everyone, LikeI said, you know, um,

(47:42):
my son's girlfriend, who is notas familiar with all this stuff as we
are, she actually enjoyed herself andshe knew virtually none of the backstories and
everything else. That to me isa sign of a good film that both
the fans of an existing product andnew fans can be made. Yes,

(48:02):
yes, definitely, no, Yeah, I I feel that one. I
feel that one, and I haveto agree. I have to agree that
it is definitely something and it ityou know what. It embraced like it
embraced the idea of the multiverse uhhuh without um, you know, without

(48:25):
the uh you know, without beingconfusing, without you know, it showed
that it could work. It showedyes, because I know I've heard I've
heard so many times it's like,well, the problem is you have to
do in a way that won't confusepeople. It's like, well this did
it. Guess what? They justset up the bar. It's actually much
easier than people think it is.Yep, but there is the you know,

(48:50):
you throw in the jokes, andI think that's one of the things
that Spider Man has always had.There's a humor to Spider Man. There's
a heart just Spider Man. There'sa tragedy, which is probably why Spider
Man is so well liked by somany people across the globe. Um,
whether you're male, female, old, young, it's because we can identify

(49:12):
with some part of him. Well. Also, you have the tragedy part,
but it's not you know, unlikecertain unlike certain other heroes who shall
remain nameless. You know, it'snot like, you know, it's not
like my life's tragedy somebody from havingthe tragedy as well. It's like,
no, no, it's just it'slike, yeah, it's it. It's

(49:37):
awful. You know, I lost, I lost you know, I lost
this person you know in my life. It's awful, But you know,
it's not dwelling on it. Youknow, it's not you know, which
is not to you know, whichis not to say it's like we're just
not to say. You know,well, kids, if you lose grandma,
just it's like no, no,you you know, you you know,

(49:59):
of course you mourn, but youyou know, it's like, yeah,
The other thing is is that youdo have a certain point where it's
like, Okay, I'm going toyou know, I am going to you
know, life goes on. Yes, gives us a glimpse into life is

(50:23):
full of tragedies. It's how youdeal with it and how you move forward
that's what becomes important. Yes,Yes, boom boom goes the dynamite.
Definitely, you hit the nail righton the head, biggie. I think
that's one of the beautiful things aboutSpider Man. And it doesn't happen overnight,

(50:46):
which is also a beautiful thing,and it just he struggles with it.
He decides he needs to make surethat the death of his uncle or
the death of his of of CaptainSpace Stacy is that's right, because we

(51:06):
have all of those that happen inthe various universes, and when you think
about it, it just becomes ahow do you deal with tragedy and how
do you get better and better?And I feel that the Miles that we
have, at least fairly the beginningof this this film, when we're focusing
on Miles versus the beginning of thelast film, he was struggling. He

(51:29):
was trying to figure out who hewas. He was trying to you know,
that that origin story that we allhave. And in this film,
he's now in his groove, whichof course means something he has to disturb
the groove. But he's finally ina groove. He knows what he needs
to do, he knows what hisresponsibilities are, even though it does kind

(51:50):
of get into screwing up his lifea little bit. Yeah, that's the
life of a well that's also thelife of a superhero. I mean,
you know you do. This iswhat we're doing. You were superhero.
Yep, it's yep. It's tryingto get the Yeah, it's trying to
get the congratulatory cake to your dadwithout it hat being smushed. Oh I

(52:12):
know that was so sad. Yeah, and on that On that note,
if you're listening to us on OdysseyRadio, uh sorry, but we are
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(52:36):
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also you know some another momentous eventin Spider Man history. So you know
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