The Mandalorian Season 3 Review

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Episode Transcript

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Sir, I'm detecting a subspace message. I'll put it on speakers Subspace dare
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the Subspace Radio Network. I'm yourhost, Mark bound Garden, and with
me today are Shadow Council Member EDWARDOFriar. How's it going. It's going
fine. I actually want to let'sstart the show off with a little bit
of a shout out. I wantto say happy birthday to Joanna Dunlap from

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Lovely's cosplay. Happy birthday. Whoelse do we have today? Nick Jabowski,
Hey, Vicky, what's going on? It's not snowing. I'm wow,
that's incredible. Don't say don't okay, Oh, don't chin it,
Vicky, don't chinx it, don'tchinse it. It's not don't jinx it.

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Just just just say the weather's fine, says fine, just fine,
there we go. Yeah, yeah, I just want to just want to
make sure. I just want tomake sure because I don't yeah, I
know, and has happened with nosnow? We don't say the word.

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No, no, don't say this, don't say the sword, don't say
the ES word. No, no, no, I'm not gonna say the
S word because then that'll that'll jinxit and we'll get Yeah, we'll get
what other conditions we don't like.That's all I'm gonna say. And finally,
we have an imperial spy with us. We have former Mandalorians. Hey,

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Zion, so are you an Imperialspire? Are you definitely not an
imperial spy? Baking reconditioning, Yes, yeah, that's for the spire man.
Yeah, I don't know. Man, I see you, I see
you eating those biscuits. Those busThey're yummy. The biscuits are yummy.

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She is crazy, anyone in there, No, she is crazy. I
was sitting with a palace and thenjust one of the like, oh my
god, folks. As you cantell by this little danter, we're actually

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discussing Star Wars the Mandalorian season three, which just ended last the past week
on Disney Plus. So, uh, we're gonna let ed our residents,
Well, he's our resident Star Warsand Star Trek guy that we run to
and comics guy, Ed, whatyou're running the show today? He's all

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of everything. I'm the resident.Don't make a geek. So yeah,
I'm my my hands are and I'mlike an octopus. My hands are everywhere.
Well that just sounded wrong. Yeah, that's you can't say that on
TV. Luckily we're not on TYeah I was gonna say, we're not

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on TV, We're on We're onthe internets. Yeah anyway, AnyWho,
anyway, so yeah, we're talkingabout Mandalorian season four. Oh sorry,
season three, season three sorry sorry, the last the half, the second

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half off or or I think wecould call it a Mando two point five
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Mandotwo point five Yeah, which, yeah,
I gotta I was actually I wasactually talking about Mandalorian a little bit
yesterday, um at, you know, with with a couple of people at

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Johanna's birthday party, and yeah,there are you know, unfortunate, you
know, unfortunately there may have beenpeople who did not watch a book of
Boba Fett, so seeing Mando andGrogu together, they would be like what
wait what Yeah, but but whathappened to Luke Skywalker exactly? And if

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you go through the recap, theythey only have the scene where the armor
tells Mando that he's not a Mandalorianno more so. They didn't even touch
up on how Grog's back. He'sjust back. Yeah, yep, it's
just yeah, he's just back.I mean, okay, I will say
that. You know, the startof the season, it does tie into

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the armor telling Mando or didn't Jaronyou know, yeah, you're no longer
a Mando because you took your helmetoff. Yeah, you know. It's
like, sorry, no, takingthe helmet off. And it's like,
okay, well, wait a minute, I have to go to the waters
of Mando and Man and you know, Mandalori's supposed to be uninhabitable, and
you know we have the armor,like, oh too bad, so sad

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you're not a Mandalorian. It's like, oh, okay, we're that We're
gonna be like that. Okay,all right, I see, okay,
this is how we're gonna this ishow we're gonna play it. But um
oh man, it's just yeah,yeah, it's just it was. Although

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yeah, it seems it does seemlike the season starts off with the idea
that Mando needs to redeem himself,like in the eyes, in the eyes
of his little Mandalorian sect, whichis all about which is all about yeah,
don't take off the don't take offthe helmets, which also kind of
brings to mind, how do youbrush your teeth? Right? Well,

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thank you? Yeah, they teachyou how to eat. Okay, they
teach you how to eat in thisseason that you lift him out, you
go private, and you lift amask off. So yeah, you can
do that. You can do that. Yeah, although what happens when you're
gonna date? I mean, canyou can? You like? Because here's
the thing we saw that one Mandalorian, well except was he a biological child

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or an adopted child? Because thattribe appears it makes me think of the
Cathars where their children were all adopted, and so it's it's this concept of
you know, Mando was a foundling. A lot of them are foundlings.
They referred to it multiple times,both in this season and in previous seasons.

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So I kind of get the feelingthat they don't have their own children.
They don't date, they don't marry, they don't do any of that
sort of stuff. They they justthey do the way. What's the way
to have kids? Then you don'tyou would okay, well, see I
don't think they adopt. Well,well, actually that's what he does with

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Groku at the end. Well,okay, I thought there was a one
off. Yeah, I didn't expectthat to be. Mando himself was a
foundling that was adopted of mandalore arefourged out of four point five pounds,
a pure best guard, pete atand cooked at two hive degrees. I

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left outside for six months until andit grows into his own true Mandalorian.
There you go. You know whatat this point, yeah, at this
at this point, I would takethat. Um, I know that we
did what something though, I mean, as we go on, it's yeah,
it starts off with Mando's uh,Mando trying to redeem himself. We

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do see that, you know,we see that both Bocaton really didn't really
didn't succeed, you know, nothaving not having a good day with trying
to reunite the tribes. You know, somebody it took her ship. They're
like, okay, yeah, we'rejust gonna we're just gonna take this and
you know, do our own thing. How weird is that she's just sitting

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there I don't know, oh,like like she is there by herself in
her armor. It's like she's likean NPC just waiting to be taught to,
like why are you here? Whyare you just sitting right there?
Twice I would understand that the firsttime that we get there, she's seen

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there once. Well, when grogoand goals and has to get her,
she's seen an exactually spot. Ithink she's broken at that point. I
think that the the you know,her spirit is broken. And when you
look at the whole arc, includingUM the Clone wars and UM even rebels,
it's just all the things that weknow from all these other shows.

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There's it's just this has been themovement. Let's let's unite, and let's
move forward with a new mandalor always. And by the time she gets she's
there, she should this should becompletely successful. It all falls to pieces.
So I can picture her having somemental health issues and needing a good

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therapist and sitting in the chair becauseit's all she's got left yep, yep,
I mean she's yeah, she's supposedto be heir to the throne of
mandalor there's the throne, you know, I mean, yeah, why would
she leave it? You know?Plus plus, i mean she raised an
army and they were just like,nah, we're just gonna take this cruiser
and you know, do our ownthing. We're gonna you know, we're

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gonna get some cash, you know. It's yeah, we're just gonna do
that. It's like, no,but we should be doing this. Yeah,
that sounds cool. We're gonna godo this. Well. I think
it's very kind of interesting that thatMandalore which you can use, uh you
can, you can type back toso many civilizations in our own planet where

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you know, they're so busy infighting. And that's one of the big
themes of this series is that whenMandalorians work together, they can take over
anything, they can do anything,they can win. But when they're in
fighting, and that has been anongoing issue with Mandalore as far back as

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what we've been told in the variousdifferent um uh Star Wars franchises, and
yeah, it just you know,it's so insane. And then you've got
these you know, she looses theblack saber boom, you can't be you
can't be the ruler anymore. Umyou know, then we had this other

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faction that's really ultra conservative, mustwear the helmet, must do this,
must do that, This is theway no deviation exactly. So you have
groups that are like that, it'snot a surprise that they were kind of
all or nothing. And as soonas it wasn't all, they were like
sea later, We're not gonna gobees. Yeah, we're out. We're

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out. We're gonna mercenaries. Butum, I do it to say.
I love the first episode though,and I love see. I don't know
what it is, but it's like, well, first of all, Grogu,
I just I can't I I oh, I don't think I'll ever not
find them adorable, uh showing offthe um, I don't think any of

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them was uh was that little thingfrom Rise of Skywalker. But those little
alienss, those little droid Yeah,the Babu frick you know, the Babu
frick Aliens. Uh. They I'msorry, but I just I I'm like
everybody. I'm like a bunch ofother people on the internet. I'm just

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laughing my head off at the babyba baby no Squeezy. That was just,
uh, that was too much.I like everyone else finds him adorable
and such, right, but like, I don't know if anyone else feels
this way, but I feel likewe we we should have just left him
in season two with Luke, becausethrough most of this series he's kind of

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like just there at least just forme, Like like he's still a baby.
He's still the same that he waspractically in the first episode, minus
us getting that these smaller flash momentswhen he's in IgA eleven, But he's
practically still the same character that we'vehad from the first episode. And I

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I just would like just a littlesomething if if we're just going to keep
him around, I mean, whatdo you want? Do you want to
start talking or something? Do youwant? Do you want like teen grog?
No? Like, well, likeI need something because like look,
Joanna, what's training masters at onehundred? A hundred? Grogu is fifty

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Somewhere along the lines. The maturityhas to hit eventually, yes, but
like I understanding, and I letmyself grog as as as much as the
next guy with like three gro grousin my closet. Um, but he

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needs to be something more than justa baby at this point, because like
we're like three seasons in and likeI feel like with with Armored too,
like I get that she's the ultraconservative leader of the called, but we
know absolutely nothing about her or anything. A white white would even even be

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leading this group, like I wouldsome some development of some of these other
characters. Although here's the thing,but here's but we're just three seasons in,
if you get what I mean,why don't we have more information yet
we have some growth? Well Ithink, okay, Well, first of

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all, I mean with you know, with Grogu, Yeah, we don't,
you know, we don't know howFirst of all, we don't even
know what the species is called.That's been one of the big you know,
that's been one of the big questionmarks in Star Wars since Yoda first
started doing his uh you know,senile old man in front of Luke.

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That was my best yo to laugh. Apologies to frank Oz. I think
if it wasn't like totally you know, but um, but yeah, you
know, we don't even know thename of the species. We don't know
if the maturity is something that willjust kick in an overdrive at a certain
point, or you know, orif different different you know, different members

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of the species mature different rates.As for the armor, it's like,
yeah, we don't know what shelooks like underneath. We don't know a
lot about her. But I'm alsoit's like, do we need to know?
I mean, does that Does itmake her character a better character if
we know, you know more abouther, because it's like I kind of
feel it's it's kind of like whenthey finally when Marvel finally decided to give

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Wolverine an origin. Oh need didwe need to know that? Did we
need to know that? Did weneed to know that his real name is
James Howlett? No? He didnot that you know, and that you
know that he was the sickly childuntil the first time the bone Claus popped
out? Did that make the characterany better? You know, knowing that

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his name wasn't actually Logan? Soit's like, what you know, do
we really you know? The Armoris an interesting character, and I think
the fact that she is such afanatic and we don't know where this comes
from adds to an interesting mystery.That is something you know that that we
can you know, that adds kindof to the character. I mean,
we didn't find out any about youknow, the Mando that ended up sacrificing

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himself just to fight off the youknow, to fight off Gideon's forces.
All we know is that he hada kid. He had a kid.
Whether or not it was his biologicallyor he adopted, we don't know,
but he had a kid. Heyou know, he and Mando have had
issues, like I know he triedto swipe the Dark Saber when Mando showed

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up to talk to the Armor.You know, we know sub stuff about
him, but we don't know.But fun and now it's kind of a
mood point because he he sacrificed himselffor for the rest of the group and
who knows if we ever find anythingout? Yeah, but right does the

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character. But the thing is,but again, does that make the character
any less? Is the character nowany less of an interesting character because we
didn't get to see what was underthe helmet. We didn't get to you
know, we didn't get his backstory. We don't know why he's so you
know, why he has such abeef with Mando, Like what were they

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in Mando school together? Mando wouldsteal his lunch money, you know what
the you know, we don't knowhow nothing, But it has nothing to
do with with with the impact Imean of of of how we know much
about the character, But it's moreabout the actions of how the story goes
on, Like everyone follows her blindly. Yeah, why so how did she

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become the leader? And well,I think some of the mystery is and
I want to know more. It'snot even a leader, but like for
example, like the nameless Mandel thatwe just said, his name is past
Visla, right, yeah, he'she's a descendant of Previsla, who who
was a holder of the dark sabwe haven't a reason to actually know him,

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and like, actually I actually caredabout his death because we're talking to
death of Avila. But the armor, she says, the armor. It's
like like I just don't know whyshe's the leader, if that makes sense,
if I if I had to justnarrow narrow it down, which ending
about it? And yes, Idon't want to know more because we're three

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seasons in. Yeah, I'll saythis. I will say this. Um.
I found it interesting that when whenum Bocton is talking to her and
mentions that she saw, you know, that she saw a mythosaur, that
the armor was just like wow,cool, that's nice. I have to

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admit there was there was well therewas a part of me that was like,
okay, is this is this kindof saying that she's going to try
and downplay it because you know,she's she's a little worried about the significant.
But yeah, then it turns,you know, then she's kind of
like, okay, you know whatwe do need to ring the Aunt Demandalor's
all right, so this moment thing, we'll give a little all right,

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all right, we'll do. Youknow that was picked by the Mythosaur to
basically be the one who will uniteit. So my thought is is that
is there prophecy I'm not remembering fromsomething else, and I'm trying to rack
my brain that you know, eitherwe know about it or maybe we haven't
been told about it, that thatthat the Armory knows something, and the

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fact that it's not just a beastin myth, that it really does exist,
it really is on their homeworld andit really is something there that oh
my gosh, we really need toget behind her. This is what we're
supposed to do. And you know, she seems to be what we could
call the bearer of the word.She is the one who has kept this

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little Ragtab group together. She isthe one who has continued the cult that
they follow, the version of Mandalorethat they follow, and she's kept this
alive. And then she suddenly turnsand looks at this woman, who she
of course dismissed because she didn't havethe black saber. And then when she

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finds out this she's seen the mythosaur, it's like, oh, oh,
okay, don't get too excited,don't get off than girl. But now
this is how we need to moveforward. This is the only way it's
going to work, and she knowsthat it's It's I find it fascinating the
way that the actors do a nicejob of emoting through these helmets that you

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can't see through. You can't seeeyes, you can't see, but you
just you can see this body language. They do a really good job of
that, and I felt that withthe Armorer. Yeah, and you know,
and actually it's it's funny you bringthat up because one of the topics
of discussion yesterday, because like,uh, was the fact that I get

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a little, you know, atrope that I'm finding kind of annoying is
in you know, in in superheroand sci fi movies, is if you
have a character mask, let's findreasons for them to take off the mask.
It's like, yeah, I getit. You have Pedro Pascal inside
the armor. Quick, let's havehim take off his helmet for a brief

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second. It's like, we don'tneed that, we don't need reminders by
having them take off the masks.We don't need r D. You know,
we don't need RDJ take off hisIron Man you know, the face
bleet in the Iron Man helmet everyso often, so that that way we'll
remember it's RDJ or you know,or somebody, you know, somebody high

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up being like, hey, wegot this actor. We need to make
sure people could see his handsome face. Quick, let's have him take the
mask off while he's you know,so you can you know, take a
sip of coffee. It's like,yeah, that, you know, it's
it's this. And it's also anotherexample I would give is Edward Norton and
Kingdom of Heaven. The fact thathe had that mask on the entire time

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and it's still worked. It's like, you don't need to unmask somebody for
them to emote, for them toyou know, give like an emotional performance.
You know, you can just doit by voice, by body language.
It's like, yeah, that's thething, you know, that's that's
one of the things about acting.You can use more stuff than just then

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just the voice worlds. Yeah,it's possible. I'm using my body to
reflect my emotions. My shoulders areslumped, so I've had a rough day
at the office and I'm home andreally tired, you know, and I'm
and I'm thinking what you're saying aboutnot you know, they're removing the mask

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and stuff. Remember when Stallone playedJudge Dread and he took that character,
Judge Dread character would never, ever, ever, ever take off his mask,
and Stallone, because he wanted peopleto know it was him and wanted
him to be the star too,had a scene if I'm correct, he

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kind of that was part of thedeal he made that he had to take
off the mask, if I rememberreading that correctly, years and years and
wells and years ago. Well,and then this is why, you know,
if you ask people which is thebetter adaptation, they say the more
recent totally, because totally, becauseCarl Urban didn't take off the freaking heaven

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And and then there are two doublesfor pet Pedro. There's Brendan Wayne and
Latif Crowder. So does that meanthat, uh Pedro Piscal doesn't actually do
anything except when he takes his helmetoff except voice now he is. Some
of the times, it depends onwhat's going on. Mu Wayne who yes,

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is the grandson of John Wayne.Um is one of the bigger stunt
coordinators. And then the other one. Shoot, I was just reading an
article on this done it, um, and but they did different types of
stunts and then um a lot ofthe straight acting part of it where it's

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not necessarily the fights. Um,that's that's Pedro in there. Yeah.
Well they all worked together, Okay, and you know what, We're all
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Vicky Jakobowski and well some kind ofImperial spy thinking is conditioning Zion Kiras.

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I'm gonna he's that's where he's goingby today, folks, No more
mando. Yeah, I do notwant to be a part of these these
band of fools. Make sure youdon't eat those biscuits. Okay, um,
never again, never, never again? All right, so this week
we are talking. I don't know, man, I'm hearing I'm hearing crunching

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coming from his mind. I amhearing a crunching sound coming from his mic
I think he's eating one of thosebiscuits. Yeah, you see that sounds
like someone that was not there onthe moon of eddor if you were there,
you would not ever again. Cansee? Do they sell them at
Galaxy's Edge at Star Wars? Theyshould? As a Disney probably they probably

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should, Now they should, theyprobably should. That probably shouldn't be like
a new snack, you know,and they could sell it in the Imperial
side. There you go. Thatworks for me. And by the way,
what makes you think I wasn't atthe battle event door, I seem
to remember shooting a bike I seemto remember shooting a biker scout off his
off his ride. Was that youbiker scout at at driver? Noah,

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that was all chewy. I'm scaredof heights. Okay, I think we've
lost control here. I think I'velost control. Y wait wait wait wait
wait you think you had control?Maybe not? Maybe not? Well,
let me let me try to getsome control by saying, folks. This

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week, as you heard in thefirst half, we are discussing Mandalorian season
three, which just ended the pastweek here on Disney Plus. And why
here, I'm not actually on DisneyPlus. I'm not sure why I said
here on Disney Plus, but Idid. It just felt right. Now.
I think you know what I think? I think Mark. I think
when Mark had his uh had hisum procedure. Yeah, operations, let's

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let's go operation, Yeah, let'sgo okay. But but yeah, I
think when he had his operation,the mouse House put some sort of some
sort of control circuits in him.He's he's now he's now part of Disney,
he's now part of the Disney Collective. I would go fine, I'd
be fine with it. I'd befine. But yeah, um, but

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getting getting back to the main point. Um, we were you know,
we were talking about well, wewere talking about, you know, the
cuteness of Groku earlier. Uh,I do you know one of the things
I know that there were some peoplewho had mixed feelings about guest appearance by

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Lizzo and Jack Black, and tobe honest, I loved their their guest
appearance. It was funny. Sometimesa little comic relief is fine. Yeah,
and it's well, well no,but I you know, I had
no problems with it. I thoughtthe episode was great. I thought that
you know, Lizzo and Jack Black, Yeah, I like relief appearance.

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Yeah. No. And what Ilike about it is it's interesting seeing somebody
who you know, we had acouple of instances in this season where we
kind of took a break from manyou know, we didn't have a break
from Mandel stuff where we did seePershing and Gideon's spy in like you know

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now in New Republic flavored Corressant.Yeah, which was the longest episode of
the series. Right, Um,I have to check on that. But
something episode I think there's something minutesthat would be the whole longest. Yeah,
that would be to me. Tome, what was interesting about that

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And I even I even like saythat a little bit of this was in
the Jack Black Lizzo episode. ThatI like about it is it's interesting seeing
you know, just the empire fromdifferent perspectives like, it's not just you
know, we don't just have Gideonand the rest of the members of the

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Shadow Council, you know, basicallysaying hey, you know, what are
we doing to get you know,to get ourselves back back in the in
the driver's seat. You know.It's interesting seeing you know, we joke
about the biscuits. It was interestingseeing a bunch of ex imperial soldiers just
hanging out and being like and justchatting like ordinary veterans with chat you know,

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just being like, hey, didyou you know, did you have
to eat the biscuits? Oh?Yeah, oh I had to eat them
on the endoor. It was horrible, you know, just talking about oh
I had to do this? Ohyeah, yeah, you know, it's
it's it was interesting because it itthen adds layers to the Empire where it
wasn't just a bunch of people beingyou know, how do I be evil
today? What sort of what sortof space death weapon do I grate today?

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There were guys in there who yeah, we're just you know, they
were they were conscripts, you know, and I'm pretty sure that some of
the other guys that that were inthat um you know that that little ex
imperial housing it. You know,I'm pretty sure some of them are just

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like, you know, hey,a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't care
if it's the emperor or if it'sman Mathma. You know, I'm I'm
I'm getting, you know, I'mgetting. I'm getting a regular check.
And uh, you know, Igot, I got a roof over my
head, you know what, Heywhat els I don't care, you know,
And then I think, also that'syou know, and then also that's

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to me, like the thing,you know, Jack Black and Lizzo's characters,
you know, especially Jack Black,since he's the ex Imperial. Yeah,
you could tell he's not he wasnot. He could tell he was
not a mustache twirling villain. Yeah, you know, he probably just did
you know, he he did hisbit, you know, and if he

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went the entire time without running intoany rebels except at the end when they
started, when they became the Republic, it's like, yeah, no,
I'm whatever. You know, it'slike, you know, he's he's somebody
that it's like, yeah, youknow, he doesn't he doesn't care,
he doesn't care about the old theold ways. It's like he's he's he's
married. You know, all theseguys are just having a good time.

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That's that's it, That's all youneed. So it's interesting seeing that it
is. It's nice, but Idon't get why I have to be in
the Mandalorian like like, I feellike this, oh, along with a
whole bunch of things in a series, just takes away from what, who

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who we need to be focusing on, and that's then himself and learning more
about him, like everything in aseason we've learned nothing about him. And
in fact, I feel like it'sa complete the evolution of all the character
de Belloon that we've got so far. Oh, the characters and and and

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now the the the the the comingof the First Republic, and we have
to fit all this within what eightepisodes? Well then here's my Okay,
here's my question though, because youknow, we did have some stuff about
you know, about the new howthe New Republic is functioning in the post
imperial world. We had some stuffon Bokatan and you know you're saying that

(33:22):
you wanted more on Denharon. Buthere's the thing, though, My question
to you is, what is itWhat is it that you feel? What
is it you feel that we haven'tgotten yet. What where? Where?
Where do we need to go withMando as you know, what do you

(33:42):
feel we need to learn about him? Not well like not sort of learned,
but like Canada development like we needto have no focus on our on
been at all, very focus inthis season, focus on Bokatan and and
in her ascension to Mandalora and therise of the First Order in such right

(34:06):
now, what you're asking, Iwill say, is this, everything that
was given to Bow could have beengiven to Din. I'll tell you why.
From the point of deviation was whenwe came across the Mythosaur. It

(34:28):
pulled then down. Bow has tosave him, pulls out. She sees
Mithosaur, then doesn't seem Mithosaur bothtakes information to to'm real blah blah.
And we talked about the rest allalready. And my question is this,
why couldn't that have been given toDin? There's nothing in the dense

(34:50):
character because we again have nothing toknow about Din that that Din couldn't send
to Mandalor we had to give itto Bow even though Bowe has so what
three cracks? Had it already?She she she tried already and in the
corn Wars. She had it againat the end of Rebels, and she
now said that she she gave itup to Moth Gideon. So that's two

(35:13):
or or three cracks at Leading Mandalord. And that's another thing, like no
one here has any really really remembranceof any Mandalorid history, like acts wolf
Side, who actually cares about theDark Savor would remember all the both both
runs about Leading Mandalord. No one'ssaying anything about it. That's fine,

(35:37):
But I want to know why couldn'tanything be of like this be given to
Dn because there's nothing in his character, as you said, like we haven't
no nothing any about him that nothingthat was given the boat could have been
given to Dn because he held heheld a Dark Sabor. I don't know
why we give it to him becausehe did absolutely nothing with it, he

(35:57):
could even use it. No,you're right, You're absolutely right. There
was no result for him to everhave it, except why would you give
it if you don't? But theyall but here comes the ball, a
freaking Jedi and once she gets itand then it breaks and then his spoiler
alert is broken. Done more darkSaber. So that had to happen because

(36:22):
it needed to stop being that theyhad to have Excalibur to say who was
going to speaking? It needed tonot say one of the things, yeah,
one of the things about yeah,I would say that. Yeah.
One of the things is the ideathat the Dark Saber, you know,
does not need to be this endall you know, you know, leadership

(36:43):
doesn't need to come from the factthat you have the shiny sharp thing right
ectly is that it can come fromanother It can come from another source.
And that's that's why I think theDark Saber had to go. Um,
you know the other thing listening,you know, listening to Zion, you
know, listening to what he wassaying. I mean, I see what
he's saying. Also at the sametime, you know, why does it

(37:07):
have to be didn't Jaron? Whycan't there be you know what, why
why can't we have you know,why can't we I mean, Yeahalian,
No, No, it's not becauseit's called them. It's not called Didn't.

(37:29):
If it was didn't Show, itwouldn't be called the Mandalorian. It
would be called Didn't Jaron or theNo no, no, because we have
call call Weather still still calling himMando. And when you read that and
the cap if, I says Mandalorian, Mandalorian, and then the captions,

(37:55):
the close captions always hey the Mandalorianbefore he speaks, not Dnjerin, says
the Mandalorian. I think it's supposedto. I'm just saying, you know,
and then but also I'm saying,you know, some of the some
of the stuff, you know,you complain about some of the you know,
some of the focus on the NewRepublic. And then you know,

(38:15):
we also we may or may notbe getting some stuff on the Rise of
the First Order. And we didget a we did get a hint about
what to expect, you know,maybe what to expect when Ahsoka gets her
series. But to me, Ifeel like, just as you know,
I feel like, just as it'simportant to work on on Dn Jaron's character

(38:37):
and on the Mandalorian, it's alsoimportant to build the world he lives in.
You know that that also needs somefocus, and we need to know
what's the world that he inhabits,you know, and what what is going
on, you know, what isgoing on that can inform you know,
what what happens to him, andwhat happens to Grogu, and what happens

(38:59):
to the other man the other Mandalorians. I agree, but you know,
if the stuff does not the stuffdoes not exist in a like here's the
thing. If you okay, allright, so let me ask you,
let me ask you a question.Then let me ask you a question.
Though, if we can't talk aboutyou know, if we have to focus
almost exclusively on Dingeneran, that hehas to be the big focus of everything,

(39:28):
okay, then the other stuff thatwe had to deal with this season,
you know, the stuff with thestuff with pershing, you know,
the stuff with the Shadow Council,the stuff with you know, the stuff
with Umokatan. If we can't havethat because we have to focus exclusively on

(39:50):
Mando and giving him a journey,a question there is where then do we
do we do it? You getthis? Where do you where do you
cover that stuff? You give thesame arc that you give Bokatan to Mando.
There's nothing in what you're saying.He's what you're saying, Mandore,

(40:15):
because look, I will tell youthis. What you're saying is what you're
saying is don't give Bokatan an arcat all. Give it all, Tomando.
I this is Mandol's show. I'mnot saying give non Bokatana and and
Art. I'm saying this. Weare three seasons in, we know nothing

(40:35):
about our main character. I'll tellyou what we know about our main character.
He is a Mandalorian that lived onConcordia, who hates droids, who
now takes care of a baby Yoda. That's it. Now, we had
hold on, we had care ofdevelopment. Where Okay, now I don't
hate droids now much because I foundthat I could trust a droid and igleven

(41:00):
and I can now move on andI can now get actually take off my
helmet to his baby. We're gettingcare development now since we got rid of
baby Jona and brought him back.Now dans literally back to square one in
season one. I will never takeoff my helmet. I will never take

(41:21):
off my helmet. I hate droids. I hate droids. I will take
eleven, but every other droid Iwill act the same way that I did
to IG eleven. He's still thesame character that he wasn't in season one.
Practically, well, hold one,here's the thing. Well, here's

(41:42):
the thing those ion where okay,we know that he ended up trusting IG
eleven and that he actually holds HIGGIeleven in high regard to point where a
little, a little quest he wastrying to do the season, was trying
to restore him to working order.Okay, but here's the thing though,
Okay, in in the previous appearancesthat we've had of din Jaron since season

(42:09):
one, where have we seen anythingthat indicates that his attitude to IG eleven
now goes towards other droids? Itdoesn't. Where did we see that?
It doesn't? But that's what Wheredid you get where did he get?
No? No, no, no, it's just looked there was where where

(42:37):
in since season one? Season?Okay? Where where in Mandalorian season two?
Where in his appearances in bookbet wheredo we get that his attitude,
the attitude that he now had towardsI G eleven, that that attitude is
now that has now like also fendedother droids every time I see every time

(43:05):
that he went around back to toto attack, to to taoween with with
with that chick. Prior to himin season one, he would not let
anyone even ten feet near him witha droid. Now he's he's like pick
crew droids and such near him.He does literally Canada bellom and of droids

(43:28):
that we have to a arect withMando for some reason because we can't go
and Morrell's besides the barrow and tyToween, and then back to the barrow
again, and then back to Tyoweenagain, and and then then there's my
getting again for the for the thirdtime. If if if if I had
every dollar for every time I wasgetting showed up in a six to an

(43:49):
alley, I'd have three dollars.That's not that, that's not that's not
a lot, but weird that happenedthree times. I mean, most of
it is in the Outer Rim,and a little bit further in other than
the episode that happens on Curissant.Everything's going on in the Outer Rim,
which is important because both in theoriginal trilogy and then the last trilogy we

(44:15):
find that it's the Outer Rim planetsand what's happening there or not happening there
that becomes so crucial. So Mander'sentire story, for the most part,
is off to the side of wheremost people would think that the main action
is happening. So of course you'regonna have some of the same band of

(44:36):
characters, the same places you're gonnago. Yes, they can travel and
they can get all over the galaxy. But at the same time, it
makes sense that his arc, hisheroes arc, is going to be confined
to these smaller places. I can'tpicture him, you know, really fitting

(44:58):
in in course or you know,or going or why would he have to
go to hath or you know,or any other place? Not to mention
you talk about, oh, whyis mom Gideon showing up all the time.
We're talking. Well, but here'sthe Okay, Well, we did
get a new planet. We gotthe planet that had Lizzo and Jack Black.
That was a new planet we actuallygot. We got to go to

(45:20):
man, We got to go toMandalore. Yeah. The other thing is
you mentioned why is why is MothGideon showing up so much? Part of
it is actually Vicky Well, andVicky hit it on the head. This
is the outer Rim. This isthis is freaking you know, we're talking.
We're almost in you know, likeZion. We're talking we're bringing out

(45:43):
in places like the Highaliah of theStar Wars universe. We're talking about,
you know, being in Miami Springs, you know, North Miami Dade.
We're talking. This is out there. And plus you got to remember this
is post original trilogy, this postEmpire, and you have basically grabbing territory

(46:04):
and saying this is mine. I'mgonna be doing all my stuff over in
this side. Zan, you know, I'm off. Gideon is always showing
up fighting the Mandalorian and people becausehe's Din's Lex Luthor, He's Din's BRAINI
ha, there you go, Yes, he's the bad guy on the show.

(46:25):
You sometimes there are shows what happenedthe main bad guy? That's him
yep, look yep, and andthere good that's that's goods. And the
same problem with Lex Luthor and Jogdimcoming back. It's the same thing with
here. So we have to knowown republic right. In fact, now
let's talk about the new Republic.Right, that's now we have because because

(46:45):
now we are doubling back and havingto watch episode seven through nine and seeing
the being complete hair hairball, thatis that new Republic that they wrote,
and now we had to cover thatand make it fit. So now we
are in a new republic that doesn'tknow what they're doing, right, which
actually makes sense when you look atin real life and you've got the rebels,

(47:08):
they're now in charge and they strugglemoving from that rebellion stage to the
head of the government. And wealready know that before before the dark Side
even took over the Republic Senate thatexisted prior to the Empire, it was

(47:29):
already degradated into factions and bribery andbs and minds and mindless bureacratic bs.
Yes, and so for them tothen become the rebels come back, now
they're running the government with the government, it's a mess. It was made

(47:50):
of an bigger mess by the Empire. So the fact that the republic fails
more or less the first time,and thus later we get the first order
makes sense. It happens all thetime in the human history on this planet,
where the rebellions win. Okay,now they're going to set up a
government. They don't know what they'redoing. They're really great at being guerrillas,

(48:12):
they're really great at being rebellious.But someday they have to run the
government, clean up with the lastguy left them, and they stumble,
and sometimes they stumble really badly.And we've seen that happened time time again
for thirty years. Yeah. Yeah, that's where the problem is. How
can you expect me that the empirecomes in right, has all this control,

(48:37):
has all these resources, right,and then now comes to republic and
you don't, and you have thesame worlds that that the empire has had,
right at least ninety percent of them. Let's say that there's ten percent
that the rulers have percent nine percentof all the empires resources. And you
can somebody that you have no resourcesso much that they don't. It's that

(49:01):
it doesn't work. Um so well. I mean a perfect example is our
country itself when we won you know, the original revolution. You know,
we had a war in eighteen twelve, rehashing the entire thing thirty years later,

(49:21):
okay, and then the other youknow. I also I also would
like to point out that here's thething. We're talking two different systems of
government. We're talking to toutolitarianism ofthe Empire versus you know, the much
more oak than much more democratic newRepublic. And the thing is is that
for you know, unfortunately, thisis reality here. Sometimes the totalitarianism ends

(49:51):
up looking like things are smoother becausebasically you have one person said, you
know, you have somebody saying,okay, this is what we're gonna you
know, it's it's going to be. This is how it's going to be.
No arguments or or I kill youor you're going to be imprisoned or
you know, that's the thing.And not to mention the fact that,
yeah, okay, we do haveyou know, let's say that they have

(50:13):
let's go with your ninety percent.They have ninety percent of the resources the
empire had. Also, don't forgetthis is we're still about five years away,
you know, five years out froma huge galactic civil war. Even
if you had ninety cent of theplanets and the possible resources, some of
this stuff has been bombed to like, you know, bombed into almost oblivion.

(50:37):
You know, there are planets thatwere destroyed. There were planets that
were wrecked, like, for example, Mandalore. So you don't have those
exact same resources you are having.One of the things they have to do
is rebuild, restructure, and thatyeah, that is gonna eat There are
resources you don't have, and thereare resources they're going to eat it.

(50:58):
Not to mention the fact that itdoesn't matter if you're the empire or the
republic. There is one thing thatis always going to be constant with any
form of government, and that isthe word EU aucracy. You were going
to have people hemming and hawing andtrying to move stuff around and you know,

(51:22):
trying to convince themselves, Oh,this doesn't need resources, that doesn't
need resources. Oh we could resourceover here. Well, you know,
if I give you what you want, that means I can't do this.
And I don't know about that becausetechnically they're not, you know, in
the Republic, So why do wereally give these guys this much? You

(51:43):
know, it's the it's a thing. It's it's a thing. You know,
it's one of those unavoidable things.So it's like so yeah, you
know, yeah, the Republic,you will have people in there who will
him and Hall because it's like,well you got writs on this planet,
but well they're kind of not memberworlds and it gets a little expensive.

(52:06):
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