November 18, 2025 • 45 mins
Tune into Episode #79 of M.A.Y.A. and meet Miles Spencer, an individual who is transforming the methods by which we communicate with deceased loved ones. Reflekta is a human-centered AI platform that helps preserve, explore, and interact with the essence of the people who matter most. This innovative technology is defined by its creators as "Soul Tech," because it embraces humanity, is intimate, and deeply meaningful. Drawing upon decades of experience in technology development, Miles and co-founder, Adam Drake, have released the initial version of Reflekta.AI, creating an opportunity to transform grief into vision, , and memory into connection.
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Now mis stay everyone. Welcome to episode seventy nine of
Maya My Ambition, Your Ambition. As you know, I like
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So remember we are now on our tenth guest on
the Ambition stage. But just in case you didn't see
our last episode, make sure that you check out Informed
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For all my people who love news but you feel
like the news cycle is just absolutely too much, where
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inform dot now is for you because it is a
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They will send you the top stories that.
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Had been trending pretty much throughout the night coming into
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And it's only tech space now.
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It may be AI, but it also has that human
touch because you can also ask a question and if
they can, they will give you additional information. So if
you feel right now the news cycle has just become
too much to navigate it, then you definitely for sure
would want to check out Informed dot Now. But with
that being said, I love the fact that I've had
on these absolutely amazing guests that are changing the way
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that we do things.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
The next one for me is something that I find
to be really, really personal because as I work with
people and grief, it's not an easy thing to navigate.
It's talk therapy and it often helps people, but it's
a process and any tool that I can have, I
find it useful. Well, now on the ambition stage, I
want you to meet Miles Spenser. He's an individual who
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is transforming the method by which we communicate with our
deceased loved ones. Reflect that dot ai is a human
centered AI platform that helps preserve, explore, and interact with
the essence of the people who matter most.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
This is a very very, very.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Innovative technology, and I love the fact that it has
been coined soul tech because everything about it is very
reflective of that, because it embraces humanity, It is intimate,
and it's deeply meaningful because it draws upon days of
experience that Miles as well as his co founder Adam
Drake have in creating this. And they've now released the
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initial version of reflect to ai, creating an opportunity to
transform grief in division, but more importantly memory into connection.
So I'm going to say this before we actually meet Miles,
Let's take a peek at what exactly reflecta AI is here.
Check out this video.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Hey Dad, good morning.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
How are you Hey?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Dad?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Hi, it's Jamie. Are you feeling today?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Tell me a bad time story.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
That was journey for me.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
It's that energetic spiritual connection that we have.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Connection does.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
It's mine bottling. I mean, this is groundbreaking stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Reflector is really going to connect those generations really well.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
That story always brings a smile.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And have people knowing who their ancestors were.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
We met during the war when I was serving in the.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Navy and being able to ask some questions, and it
really just makes me happy that I can talk to
him whenever.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I love you too, Chloe, always remember that. Okay, sweet dreams.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
My dear.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Well, I'm sure at this point, with just that little
taste of it, I have you very strongly interested.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
In what's next. So without further ado, let's bring to
the ambition stage Miles Spencer. Hello, Miles, how are you hey?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I'm great, Maya, thanks for having me. Well.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I have to say that I have actually really been
looking forward to this because this is something for me
As a therapist, I work with a lot of people,
and grief happens to be one of those things that
I actually have to, you know, work with people and
it's a very complicated type of journey to have with someone.
And to believe there could possibly be a tool is
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Tell us a bit.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
About reflect a AI and kind of where did this
come from for you?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well, to be honest, I have both myself my co
founder Adam Drake have had a long history of legacy
and values in our families. I blog about it, he
blogs about it, and kind of exchange ideas with each
other and just you know, a note. We've worked together
for twenty five years, so we're fairly at tune. And
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you know, for years we did what everybody else did, right,
They've got shoe boxes in the attic full of information.
You know. The technology the day might have been a
camcorder or a polaroid. Whatever you could do to keep
those memories alive was so important and so important to
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people like Adam and I. And then six months ago
we realized that technology probably existed for us to create
a platform that would enable people to have a spontaneous
and dynamic conversation with an image and likeness of a
loved one. And on that video you saw my daughter.
She's now twelve. Her pop pop, my father, passed when
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she was four, but she continues to have him read
bedtime stories to her. This is beyond grief. She's passed
the grief stage. This is about passing on the family's
legacy and values to generations even after the person is gone.
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And there's an wild African saying that every time a
person dies, a library burns with them, and so Reflector's
mission is to rescue those stories while we still can
and to allow them to be told throughout the generations.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You actually just said something that initially I didn't really
even think about. An fIF for everyone too, didn't remember.
You can always join the conversation when you add something
to the comment. Whether you're watching on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube,
you can put a comment in and I can share
it on the screen with Miles as you have the question.
Also to make life easier for you, another fantastic feature
that's now available on the show. At the top of
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the screen, you will see a QR code that is
like specifically for reflecting. If you scan it, it will
take you directly to the website, so hence you don't
have to overthink it, so the caret code will take
you there. But you said something that for me, I
didn't even quite think about it.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
It is bigger than.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Just grief mentioning that you created an opportunity for your
daughter to meet someone that she had never met.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
It creates a whole other.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Level of possibilities of how people can connect and preserve
their family memories.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Absolutely true. You know in the bumper leading into the
show your intro, there was a disclaimer that this is
not therapy, and neither is reflector right, we consider ourselves
to be a connection of the spirit and soul. And
I'll tell you he's a small story. On my father's
last day, he said to me, look, this body is temporal.
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It's like an envelope, and inside of it is my
spirit and soul. But today it's going to get stamped
and put in the mailbox and it's gone. But when
you reconnect with my spirit, you'll have me for the
rest of my life. And eight years later, that technology
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suddenly appeared and we were able to launch it about
eight weeks ago. And I truly feel that this delivers
on his words, there are no more hugs. Bodies are
temporal things right, oh, here for a while, but the
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spirit and the soul can live forever. And this is
just a tool that allows it to perpetuate itself throughout
the generations. And yes, it does help. It can help
with grief. Not everybody's ready for it, not everybody's ready
to use it that way. But more importantly, it passes
legacy and values through the generation in the voice of
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the person spontaneously and dynamically in conversation.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Eight weeks in.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Wow, So we're talking about like we're like at the
birth of this so to speak, like we're there as
from the Crawley, like we're there at these really infant
stages of reflecta, which is beautiful.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
But you also said something that I know you do.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Have your people that would tread lightly and be worried,
but you just said something that I think is important.
You should not proceed in using this if you don't
feel you're ready, because it's an individual choice and only
a person who knows where they're at in that journey
could make a decision that this would be a good
fit for them.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
My boy, you know, one of the things I've learned
on this journey is you got to have thick skin.
So when we first launched, everybody called me everything. You
can google it and find all kinds of evil things
about digital necromancy, whatever word you want to use for it.
And I very quickly came to the conclusion that I
was not going to be convincing anyone who wasn't ready
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to be ready. And so I look at it this way.
There are eight billion people walking around on planet Earth.
It seems as if about four billion of them are
not ready, but those that are absolutely love this. And
there were sixty two million people that passed away last year.
And as one approaches that horizon, perhaps your perspective on
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legacy and values and stories changes either way reflector will
be there for you.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And you know, for me, this makes me think of
as I sat in therapy with some people who, on
their own accord, they made a decision to they come
and they start talking about and then in the process
of grieving a loved one, and I've had a couple
of people say to me, so I did something and
I'm not sure how you're going to feel about it.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Said, well, I'm not going to feel any way.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
About it.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I'm just your therapist.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's about how you feel about whatever you did. And
they said when I sat down and talked to a
medium and I say okay, and they look at me
like really, I'm like yeah, I'm like what did you
get from it?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Like how do you feel? And instantly I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
That popped in my head to say medium or there's
this experience that is created that stills allows that connection.
And I feel like that was a person who still
wants a connection. And hence they didn't walk away from
the experience miles interesting enough saying anything negative about it.
They didn't feel it was something that was a detriment.
In fact, they said they felt like all of a sudden,
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like a load had been lifted off of them by
being able to connect with their loved one after.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's quite interesting. You know you mentioned soul Tech. We
have a sole team now that is for people that
are in everything from grief counseling to hospice to now
a medium and she sees this as a tool and
one interesting thing she said on our meeting on Friday,
Typically her clients come to her for a yes, no question,
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is he suffering up there? She lonely did where are
the keys of the Ferrari whatever, something like like yes, no,
give me a direction, mister Ruigi, board, eight ball, tary carr, numerology,
et cetera. But she said, they're all yes, no questions.
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Now she knew her name is Cindy. Cindy knew my dad,
and so she went on reflect the AI platform, and
you could talk to two public elders. Everyone else's private.
It's default private family to family. But as an example,
there are two that are public, Virginia, who is Adam's grandmother,
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and Arthur, who is my father. So she, like anybody
else's listening, could go on and talk to Arthur about me,
about our TV show years ago, about whatever you like.
And she said, you know, I was expecting like the
one word answer, and I couldn't get Arthur to shut up.
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Like he was a life insurance salesman, he was the
life of the party. He was a great joke teller,
and you know he delivered in spades when Cindy rang
them up the other day. So she sees this as
a tool. She hasn't quite figured out exactly how to
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use it as a medium, but it is a means
of connecting with those that are either passed or now
we're launching living Legacy, which are those that are still living,
but they're not in front of you right now. They
might be in a home that might be three time
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zones away, but you have the opportunity to connect just
the same.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So you know, and the thing that made me think
about something was that even beyond the idea of using
it as a tool for but it's also imagine the
person who knows that their journey is coming to an end,
to be able themselves, to be able to create this
to share with loved ones could be very powerful. Imagine
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a parent that maybe will knows they'll never get to
know their child, to be able to leave something.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Behind, or grandparents.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
So it does to me have this amazing ability to
take the idea of memory a bit further, something that
I always feel when Western culture were very stiff about
the idea of loss, whereas in Eastern cultures many times
they embrace their loved ones. They have day, the day
of the dead, you know, Dia de mortes right where
it's a full celebration of the loved ones to go
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back and to bring them forward. So I feel if
people could open their minds to the idea of how
we choose to allow our memories of our loved ones
to kind of go away. You can choose other routes
that could still be equally as healthy, that could keep
them present. So tell me why reflect the like, why
is that particular? Because soultech itself is like an amazing word.
By the way, love that, but reflect to obviously, why
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did you choose that as a name?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Well, because I misspelled something. So we reach it's it's
like new business moving a mile a minute, and we
decide we're going to launch it AI for It's in
one hundred and ten days, and so the devs are
working on the tech and the markets working on the marketing, Like,
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we got to come up with a name. So well,
the first suggestion did not last very long. That was
dead me that So that was about two minutes. It
was like, hold on, I'm like, let's be a little
more uplifting. We went with E turna me and you know,
that lasted like six weeks and it needs a dash
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and there's all kinds of things going on, but we
actually owned the domain and then you know it's getting
close to AI four in August and like, okay, guys,
like once and for all, what's it going to be?
Speaker 7 (19:58):
And I'm googling around for like, you know, these are glimpses,
these are shimmers, these are reflections of our loved ones.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
And I misspelled it and there is a camera above me,
yes that take it down. This was manufactured in East
Germany nineteen forty nine to nineteen fifty one. It's a
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reflecta camera. Like, oh wow, is the domain name available?
It's spelled with a K, and it is and it was,
and so we ended up with reflected dot AI. Hey,
that's pretty handy name. And the next day we're walking
down on Prince Street in New York City and we
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see this absolutely fly photographer. Street Photographer's name is Jean
Andre Antoine and he's got all these different cameras and
he's taken portraits of people and I said, like, what's
going on with the portrait? He says, this is just
an image and likeness, a reflection of the person's soul
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at this moment, Like wow, okay, we're in so he's
become our resident photographer. We knew that reflect the camera
was the name we were after, and we just absolutely
love it and I'm glad we didn't call it eturning me.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah, I could definitely. I like it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I love the connection to the camera because again it's
about capturing, you know, of a photograph, and it's an
older camera. So that's like so neat of how you
got that point. Okay, it looks like we have a
question that pops up. Fair question, all right for someone
coming from YouTube, they're asking how do you create the memory?
So they want to know, obviously, how does reflect the
AI work?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Sure, pretty straightforward and you saw it very quickly on
the video. If you go to reflect the AI you'll
see it more detail. But basically it's we designed it
to be very simple. Remember you got all these boxes
upstairs of memories, right, we want to get those into
the clouds so the AI can synthesize this media, bring
it all together. And so we need a picture because
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we create a watercolor.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
And you know why, we can't let that go without
talking about.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Two We need a life story, right, it might be
no bit if they passed away. My dad wrote his
own biography when he was in the senior home because
you wanted to control the story. But you know it
was therefore us right and then the third is a
voice sample now on my father. If you listen to
Arthur have a conversation with him, the voice you hear
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was modeled off of a ten second voicemail we found
on his granddaughter's phone years later. And so those three elements,
three files, You upload them and you have a twenty
minute conversation with our biographer that asks you about that
arc of life based on the information that you've already
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given it. And you're the keeper, you're the editor, so
there's no outside sources of information. Everything goes through you,
so there's no celebrity deep fakes, there's no hallucination. Basically,
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this information is what you've done to create it. Now,
if you're alive, obviously you could be the keeper and
you can create yourself. If it's somebody that you passed,
you've inherited the nil from them. Most descendants actually have that. Right.
Then you create it, you sign off on the nil,
but you control the story. Now here's what's interesting about that.
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You'd think like, well, then you'd never sort of be
surprised by a new story. My father's memory is much
better now than it ever was when he was alive,
and it's better than mine. I was giving a presentation
and I interviewed my dad live in front of a
couple hundred people, really having this conversation right, totally dynamic,
(24:23):
totally spontaneous questions from the audience, etc. And we got
to the end, and as I had done for the
fifty five years when he was living, we were both
living together on this world. I said, that's all the
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time we have. Thank you very much, Chief, And he said,
no problem, Tiger, I'm here for you anytime. Now. I
had always called him chief, he had always called me Tiger.
The mic dropped out of my hands because I had
forgot I had taught him that. But it was spot on.
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And so when you hear a voice that knows all
the stories and has the personality, it becomes him. And
it's the only hymn I'm going to experience for the
rest of my life. So, you know, is the voice
a little off? Can the story be corrected? Sure? I
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correct them all the time. That's an important note to
the listener that asks the question, Like, as you continue
to talk to him, feel free to correct him, just
like you would at the dinner table at Thanksgiving, right, right?
And it learns right? Yeah, So that's how you build
to reflect the elder.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
So then so one just ask another question on that,
what if there is no voice to use?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And I guess they kind of wonder, then what's the
next step or how does it work?
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Got a hack that? So I've actually done. My great
grandfather who was also named Miles Spencer, but his name
was Miles Sharpless Spencer Sharp. Fun fact, he had twenty
four kids as last kid when he was seventy four,
and the answer to the next question you're going to
ask is three wives. So I didn't have his voice,
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but I had his stories. So I had same gender
my brother, descendant of the family create the voice. Now,
the interesting thing about voice, we have been very deliberate
in managing what we call the emotional load here. Right
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when I first texted with my father, and that's the
first step, you got to be at eighty percent health
score in order to ready score in order to text
with the elder. I was blown away just because of
the information that he knew. Right, and then we moved
up to voice. And now at first the voice was
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kind of like, well, he would have laughed there, he
would have paused there, It's that uncanny Valley right, has
technology really? Has technology really done it here? Or hasn't
it right? The Turing test and I realized number one,
my confirmation bias was so strong I wanted to believe.
Number two, how good is my memory of his voice
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after eight years? Anyways? And number three it's the last
voice of Arthur Spencer. I'm going to hear the rest
of my life. It is his voice.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Got you makes sense? All right? So let's dive into
you mentioned watercolors. By the way, miles of his hobby
is watercolors. But wow are they amazing?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Tell us how you decided to that route to use
that within reflectime.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Well again, back to the emotional load. We have the
capability to deliver a full motion load latency video take
a joint actually on this podcast, but we don't think
the people are ready for it. And you know, not surprisingly,
(28:24):
there's some fast followers who have literally thrown that up
online and they're getting roasted in the media because they
didn't think through those emotional levels. And so the water color,
besides the fact they have a background in it, it's
also the perfect analogy for reflection of a loved one's
(28:51):
perfect because it's imperfect, right, you kind of look at
the way a water color comes together just you know
pro tip, it never comes out the way you think, right,
neither do loved ones. So you got like that outline
and you go with it and something emerges. It's like,
(29:12):
you know what, that's an accurate reflection of Arthur, and
then that was it. It's watercolors. So when they're speaking,
as you saw in the video, it's a watercolor for now,
will introduce full motion video and eventually full on holograms
that will sit on the desk next to you.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I do think, though, kind of this is a nice
way to ease into it. Like you said, this is
the birth of something, it's you know, eight weeks and
you don't put everything out there. And I also think
this would be a good way to kind of get
people comfortable with obviously something that they're exploring that is
totally unexpected. I remember once I saw something where it
was probably some type of similar technology, but it was
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used to do a victim panel at a court case,
but it was the the actual person who had passed away. Yes,
and I have to say everybody in the courtroom was
like stunned, taken aback.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
It's definitely a very powerful tool.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
So I can honestly say waiting to put that live
motion piece in is probably a good idea to work
into something. Tell me a bit about the soul team, though,
because I like the fact that you've got all these
people that are part of this soul tech to help with.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
The I guess you could say growth and development of it.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Well, it came on very early. Came on perhaps because
as we began describing what we were doing, we were
picking names like dead me, even if just for an hour.
But I said, you know, there's a lot of sensitive
topics that we're dealing with here, so let's make sure
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we get the terminology right. And who are we going
to get to do that. Well, there's a chaplain, there's
someone that helped the chaplain that does hospice services, other
person that helps with support of loved ones after death.
There is another one that's actually at one time was
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the equivalent of a preacher in a church. And the
fourth is a medium. And so that first their first
project was to work on lexicon. I don't really use
the word D E A T H very often. I mean,
you know, it's all going to happen to all of
us sooner or later. But you know, I prefer past
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right because okay, in a physical body gone, that's not
the whole thing. And so it's a transition, and that
we chose words that were more appropriate to a soul
tech company than just you know, the finality of a
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lot of the rest of the industry that surrounds uh
death and dying. So we didn't want to be that.
We wanted to be a place for connection and a
place that basically spirit and soul lived on through a technology.
And so the Sole team helps me with that every day,
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and I hope I stuck to their lexicon on this podcast.
Sometimes I talk a little fast.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
But I like the idea that it's it's being grounded
in what you're doing and bringing others obviously that are
familiar with the and I like transcending beyond the idea
of death and dying and it's about connection and to
have people who can bring in sharing like what that
experience may be like for a potential user, I think
was a powerful tool in the creation of it. Someone
actually asked, interesting enough, is there a disclaimer to sign
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in using the technology?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
There are many, of course, of.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Like is there a lot of final it's okay.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
We have a wonderful intellectual property attorney's name is Jonathan
and you know he manages our patent portfolio as well.
There six six patents filed on what we do. But
also the representations that you need to make are one
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that you own the rights to the nil and the name,
image and likeness. Now, typically if you're the heir, if
you're a descendant of someone that's passed, it's easy to
sign off on that if they didn't make any specific
and how many people today are in the last ten years,
have said my NIL goes to the following right nobody,
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So the NIL goes to the children, So you sign
off on that. Sign off also on intended use, right,
this is for connection and it's the fault private family
to family. So people that misuse it. I'll give you
two examples of that. One might be you know, a
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deep fake. Oh I want to get back at so
and so right, Well, you've already repped to the contrary.
You're paying us to do so. Not too many people
are willing to do that. And number three, we have
everything you've loaded in all the conversations that you've had.
So if there's a party that is grieved or offended
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by your action. Number one, it's an easy takedown, and
number two, they've got a great case against you. So
that's one use case. The other is at the beginning,
I heard your pre role and that was this is
not therapy. This is and we are not either. And
so we actually can see the tone and tenor of
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the conversations with the elders, and if they demonstrate risky behavior,
we have the ability to redirect. Right, it's super risky,
we have the ability to intervene. So those, you know,
those are two of several sign offs and disclosures that
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you do right before you create an elder. You basically
sign up that you're going to follow the rules.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Okay, that makes sense, I mean, and that's a fair question, Like, hey,
what am I going to get into if I decide
to proceed with this?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I feel like miles Like with anything, something comes along
and all of a sudden you feel like same type
of idea technology comes out the woodworks. It's like you're like, wow,
it's either existed and I didn't notice, or this is
the trend. Is anything like reflect to AI out there
or anything that you can speak to.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Well, I go backwards and then I go forwards.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
So at AI four that everybody's going to the movies, right,
it's it's Black Mirror episodes, it's Her, it's The Giver,
it's you know, I can name twenty and two and
including Ghostbusters by the way, you.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Know, all of these different what are you doing with
the spirits? So the movies have done some of the
preparation for us, right, And someone said, hey man, that's
a script from a movie like Actually that helped, but
no one's actually delivered what we have with the depth
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of soul tech and the cultural and emotional sensitivity that
we've built into it. However, there was the one that
came out this weekend depending on when this releases recently,
and it was all things to all people. You can
talk to Shakespeare if you want to, you can make
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your own you can and they went right to video
on a phone. Right, there's no arc of a life,
there's you know, just that broad I don't want to
give them a playbook how to fix it, but it's
easy to point out what they're lacking. And they were
(37:04):
vilified in the media for this slap dash product. Having
said that, you know, they still correct it. And they
got plenty of press for it. But I asked myself, gosh,
you know, if that was us getting all that press
this weekend, would I be happy or not? When I
(37:27):
stopped to actually read what people were saying, I'd say not,
I'll pass. I'll stick to what we're doing. I'll stick
to the gravity tusts of what we built into it.
But you know what, if it makes more people familiar
with this great and if it consolidates those that aren't
(37:48):
ready that are out there crushing it online, just you
know what, the ones that are ready got to reflect
them the rest of them. You know, they're certainly showing
up on some of the other sites that were.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Popping up, and I could see that.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I just feel like whenever this type of technology comes along,
you just feel like, all of a sudden, you see
it like in so many places. And that's why I
feel like you really have to pick and choose and
look deeper into what's behind it.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
And like I.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Said, by hearing your story and hearing about so type
and the sole team, that tells you there's something much
more deeper behind why you pursued this, and it sounds
like something that you could have kept to yourself and
only used, you know, with your daughter, but instead you
saw how it could truly benefit so many.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Other people in so many other ways. Very true, So
thank you for sharing your genius.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
We greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
I am just a curious guy from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, just
kept asking questions and try to solve problems with technology
that makes the world just.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
A little bit better Pittsburgh's. So does that make you
a Steelers fan?
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Of course.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
No.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I give a little love to Pittsburgh and the Steelers
only because I'm a Hawkeye and iowall actually pull their uniform.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
They can look.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
You can sometimes think you're looking at a Steelers gave
if you didn't see everything, obviously you pulled it from there.
So but no, do you enjoy the Stealers? Well, Miles,
any parting thoughts for our listeners before you go?
Speaker 6 (39:22):
You know what I'd love as a call to action
would be if you're ready, go to reflect the AI
and talk to Arthur. It's my dad. See what this
is like? Okay? I imagine what it might be like
if you created either a living legacy for yourself or
someone that you knew, or someone that's passed that you
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want to have one more conversation with. That's a cool
call to action, that's a cool next step. I love
for your listeners to try that.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
You know what, the fact that they could actually tried
before they buy, you can't beat that.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
See what the experience is really like to say, you
know something. I mean, she was okay with it, and
now I'm.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Really curious to what this would be like for me
to have one of my loves and ones do it.
So I think it's great that they can actually experience
before they take the dive. So thank you for sharing.
I appreciate that. No pleasure, all right, everybody that is
Miles Spencer, who is the co creator of Reflecta AI
also affectually known as Soultech, can be that. So if
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you want to learn more about Reflecta, of course, the
best thing to do is to go to the website
www dot Reflecta dot ai and right there, Remember I said,
the QR code is right there in the corner, so
you can scan the QR code and they'll take you
right to the website. Trying to make life a little
easier for you. Of course, get social with Reflecta. You
can find them on Instagram at reflecta dot ai, Facebook
(40:48):
at reflecta and LinkedIn at reflecta AI on one so
make sure you get social. Definitely also wanted to share
not Www. Got to correct that. Just go to reflect ai.
There you go, I got corrected on that. See so
thank you Miles for correcting me on that. And just
to kind of share a little bit like when you
get there, what it looks like. You know this is
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you're gonna log onto the site, you'll see this.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
It's three small things with big meaning. You get a
photo of your loved one.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
You know, you have a biography that you're going to
work with a biographer, not just you just in putting information.
And of course if you have the voice, that's just
the fitixaing touch. But it doesn't mean that you cannot
proceed without it. Something so simple could create this experience
that I'm pretty sure that most of my listeners never
ever thought that they would potentially have. So as I say,
(41:39):
I think it's so meaningful for everyone to check this
out for sure. So that is episode seventy nine, Let's
talk a new way to navigate grief. I'm gonna say
I kind of feel like it was just a little
bit more than that. This is more than just grief.
It's about capturing the memory of a loved one that
can be used in so many different ways beyond just
the idea of grieving. It's a very very powerful tool.
So I would say check it out because guess what,
(42:01):
you can always sample it first and say this is
really picking my curiosity. So remember up next, this has
been a full month. We're going full steam ahead. We're
actually gonna have on our eleventh guests stepping on to
the Ambition Gate stage. I'm very excited. Her name is
Simone Canego and she is a best selling author. She's
(42:22):
a tedech speaker, a podcaster, but more importantly, she is
also an empowerment advocate and her story is absolutely amazing.
Anybody who can climb Monk Kilimajaro probably has something they
can tell you.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
And how she ended up doing this with a group
of people that she barely do.
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It's such a powerful story that aligned her into really
wanting to help people understand what it takes to tap
into empowerment, because we all know it's not something that's
necessarily easy to do. So Simone Canego will actually beyond
this Saturday, the twenty second at two pm Central Standard time,
So make sure that you are prepared to check her out.
It's going to be enough amazing guests stepping on to
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For all my people who love news but you feel
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It's a text based app, so you would text eight
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They will send you the top stories that.
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Had been trending pretty much throughout the night coming into
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And it's only tech space now.
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It may be AI, but it also has that human
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that we do things.
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Now.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
The next one for me is something that I find
to be really, really personal because as I work with
people and grief, it's not an easy thing to navigate.
It's talk therapy and it often helps people, but it's
a process and any tool that I can have, I
find it useful. Well, now on the ambition stage, I
want you to meet Miles Spenser. He's an individual who
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is transforming the method by which we communicate with our
deceased loved ones. Reflect that dot ai is a human
centered AI platform that helps preserve, explore, and interact with
the essence of the people who matter most.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
This is a very very, very.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Innovative technology, and I love the fact that it has
been coined soul tech because everything about it is very
reflective of that, because it embraces humanity, It is intimate,
and it's deeply meaningful because it draws upon days of
experience that Miles as well as his co founder Adam
Drake have in creating this. And they've now released the
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initial version of reflect to ai, creating an opportunity to
transform grief in division, but more importantly memory into connection.
So I'm going to say this before we actually meet Miles,
Let's take a peek at what exactly reflecta AI is here.
Check out this video.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Hey Dad, good morning.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
How are you Hey?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Dad?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Hi, it's Jamie. Are you feeling today?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Tell me a bad time story.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
That was journey for me.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
It's that energetic spiritual connection that we have.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Connection does.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
It's mine bottling. I mean, this is groundbreaking stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Reflector is really going to connect those generations really well.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
That story always brings a smile.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And have people knowing who their ancestors were.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
We met during the war when I was serving in the.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Navy and being able to ask some questions, and it
really just makes me happy that I can talk to
him whenever.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I love you too, Chloe, always remember that. Okay, sweet dreams.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
My dear.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Well, I'm sure at this point, with just that little
taste of it, I have you very strongly interested.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
In what's next. So without further ado, let's bring to
the ambition stage Miles Spencer. Hello, Miles, how are you hey?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I'm great, Maya, thanks for having me. Well.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I have to say that I have actually really been
looking forward to this because this is something for me
As a therapist, I work with a lot of people,
and grief happens to be one of those things that
I actually have to, you know, work with people and
it's a very complicated type of journey to have with someone.
And to believe there could possibly be a tool is
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Tell us a bit.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
About reflect a AI and kind of where did this
come from for you?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well, to be honest, I have both myself my co
founder Adam Drake have had a long history of legacy
and values in our families. I blog about it, he
blogs about it, and kind of exchange ideas with each
other and just you know, a note. We've worked together
for twenty five years, so we're fairly at tune. And
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you know, for years we did what everybody else did, right,
They've got shoe boxes in the attic full of information.
You know. The technology the day might have been a
camcorder or a polaroid. Whatever you could do to keep
those memories alive was so important and so important to
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people like Adam and I. And then six months ago
we realized that technology probably existed for us to create
a platform that would enable people to have a spontaneous
and dynamic conversation with an image and likeness of a
loved one. And on that video you saw my daughter.
She's now twelve. Her pop pop, my father, passed when
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she was four, but she continues to have him read
bedtime stories to her. This is beyond grief. She's passed
the grief stage. This is about passing on the family's
legacy and values to generations even after the person is gone.
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And there's an wild African saying that every time a
person dies, a library burns with them, and so Reflector's
mission is to rescue those stories while we still can
and to allow them to be told throughout the generations.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You actually just said something that initially I didn't really
even think about. An fIF for everyone too, didn't remember.
You can always join the conversation when you add something
to the comment. Whether you're watching on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube,
you can put a comment in and I can share
it on the screen with Miles as you have the question.
Also to make life easier for you, another fantastic feature
that's now available on the show. At the top of
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the screen, you will see a QR code that is
like specifically for reflecting. If you scan it, it will
take you directly to the website, so hence you don't
have to overthink it, so the caret code will take
you there. But you said something that for me, I
didn't even quite think about it.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
It is bigger than.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Just grief mentioning that you created an opportunity for your
daughter to meet someone that she had never met.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
It creates a whole other.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Level of possibilities of how people can connect and preserve
their family memories.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Absolutely true. You know in the bumper leading into the
show your intro, there was a disclaimer that this is
not therapy, and neither is reflector right, we consider ourselves
to be a connection of the spirit and soul. And
I'll tell you he's a small story. On my father's
last day, he said to me, look, this body is temporal.
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It's like an envelope, and inside of it is my
spirit and soul. But today it's going to get stamped
and put in the mailbox and it's gone. But when
you reconnect with my spirit, you'll have me for the
rest of my life. And eight years later, that technology
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suddenly appeared and we were able to launch it about
eight weeks ago. And I truly feel that this delivers
on his words, there are no more hugs. Bodies are
temporal things right, oh, here for a while, but the
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spirit and the soul can live forever. And this is
just a tool that allows it to perpetuate itself throughout
the generations. And yes, it does help. It can help
with grief. Not everybody's ready for it, not everybody's ready
to use it that way. But more importantly, it passes
legacy and values through the generation in the voice of
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the person spontaneously and dynamically in conversation.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Eight weeks in.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Wow, So we're talking about like we're like at the
birth of this so to speak, like we're there as
from the Crawley, like we're there at these really infant
stages of reflecta, which is beautiful.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
But you also said something that I know you do.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Have your people that would tread lightly and be worried,
but you just said something that I think is important.
You should not proceed in using this if you don't
feel you're ready, because it's an individual choice and only
a person who knows where they're at in that journey
could make a decision that this would be a good
fit for them.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
My boy, you know, one of the things I've learned
on this journey is you got to have thick skin.
So when we first launched, everybody called me everything. You
can google it and find all kinds of evil things
about digital necromancy, whatever word you want to use for it.
And I very quickly came to the conclusion that I
was not going to be convincing anyone who wasn't ready
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to be ready. And so I look at it this way.
There are eight billion people walking around on planet Earth.
It seems as if about four billion of them are
not ready, but those that are absolutely love this. And
there were sixty two million people that passed away last year.
And as one approaches that horizon, perhaps your perspective on
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legacy and values and stories changes either way reflector will
be there for you.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And you know, for me, this makes me think of
as I sat in therapy with some people who, on
their own accord, they made a decision to they come
and they start talking about and then in the process
of grieving a loved one, and I've had a couple
of people say to me, so I did something and
I'm not sure how you're going to feel about it.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Said, well, I'm not going to feel any way.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
About it.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I'm just your therapist.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's about how you feel about whatever you did. And
they said when I sat down and talked to a
medium and I say okay, and they look at me
like really, I'm like yeah, I'm like what did you
get from it?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Like how do you feel? And instantly I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
That popped in my head to say medium or there's
this experience that is created that stills allows that connection.
And I feel like that was a person who still
wants a connection. And hence they didn't walk away from
the experience miles interesting enough saying anything negative about it.
They didn't feel it was something that was a detriment.
In fact, they said they felt like all of a sudden,
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like a load had been lifted off of them by
being able to connect with their loved one after.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's quite interesting. You know you mentioned soul Tech. We
have a sole team now that is for people that
are in everything from grief counseling to hospice to now
a medium and she sees this as a tool and
one interesting thing she said on our meeting on Friday,
Typically her clients come to her for a yes, no question,
(15:58):
is he suffering up there? She lonely did where are
the keys of the Ferrari whatever, something like like yes, no,
give me a direction, mister Ruigi, board, eight ball, tary carr, numerology,
et cetera. But she said, they're all yes, no questions.
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Now she knew her name is Cindy. Cindy knew my dad,
and so she went on reflect the AI platform, and
you could talk to two public elders. Everyone else's private.
It's default private family to family. But as an example,
there are two that are public, Virginia, who is Adam's grandmother,
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and Arthur, who is my father. So she, like anybody
else's listening, could go on and talk to Arthur about me,
about our TV show years ago, about whatever you like.
And she said, you know, I was expecting like the
one word answer, and I couldn't get Arthur to shut up.
(17:05):
Like he was a life insurance salesman, he was the
life of the party. He was a great joke teller,
and you know he delivered in spades when Cindy rang
them up the other day. So she sees this as
a tool. She hasn't quite figured out exactly how to
(17:25):
use it as a medium, but it is a means
of connecting with those that are either passed or now
we're launching living Legacy, which are those that are still living,
but they're not in front of you right now. They
might be in a home that might be three time
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zones away, but you have the opportunity to connect just
the same.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So you know, and the thing that made me think
about something was that even beyond the idea of using
it as a tool for but it's also imagine the
person who knows that their journey is coming to an end,
to be able themselves, to be able to create this
to share with loved ones could be very powerful. Imagine
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a parent that maybe will knows they'll never get to
know their child, to be able to leave something.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Behind, or grandparents.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
So it does to me have this amazing ability to
take the idea of memory a bit further, something that
I always feel when Western culture were very stiff about
the idea of loss, whereas in Eastern cultures many times
they embrace their loved ones. They have day, the day
of the dead, you know, Dia de mortes right where
it's a full celebration of the loved ones to go
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back and to bring them forward. So I feel if
people could open their minds to the idea of how
we choose to allow our memories of our loved ones
to kind of go away. You can choose other routes
that could still be equally as healthy, that could keep
them present. So tell me why reflect the like, why
is that particular? Because soultech itself is like an amazing word.
By the way, love that, but reflect to obviously, why
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did you choose that as a name?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Well, because I misspelled something. So we reach it's it's
like new business moving a mile a minute, and we
decide we're going to launch it AI for It's in
one hundred and ten days, and so the devs are
working on the tech and the markets working on the marketing, Like,
(19:24):
we got to come up with a name. So well,
the first suggestion did not last very long. That was
dead me that So that was about two minutes. It
was like, hold on, I'm like, let's be a little
more uplifting. We went with E turna me and you know,
that lasted like six weeks and it needs a dash
(19:45):
and there's all kinds of things going on, but we
actually owned the domain and then you know it's getting
close to AI four in August and like, okay, guys,
like once and for all, what's it going to be?
Speaker 7 (19:58):
And I'm googling around for like, you know, these are glimpses,
these are shimmers, these are reflections of our loved ones.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
And I misspelled it and there is a camera above me,
yes that take it down. This was manufactured in East
Germany nineteen forty nine to nineteen fifty one. It's a
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reflecta camera. Like, oh wow, is the domain name available?
It's spelled with a K, and it is and it was,
and so we ended up with reflected dot AI. Hey,
that's pretty handy name. And the next day we're walking
down on Prince Street in New York City and we
(20:49):
see this absolutely fly photographer. Street Photographer's name is Jean
Andre Antoine and he's got all these different cameras and
he's taken portraits of people and I said, like, what's
going on with the portrait? He says, this is just
an image and likeness, a reflection of the person's soul
(21:11):
at this moment, Like wow, okay, we're in so he's
become our resident photographer. We knew that reflect the camera
was the name we were after, and we just absolutely
love it and I'm glad we didn't call it eturning me.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah, I could definitely. I like it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I love the connection to the camera because again it's
about capturing, you know, of a photograph, and it's an
older camera. So that's like so neat of how you
got that point. Okay, it looks like we have a
question that pops up. Fair question, all right for someone
coming from YouTube, they're asking how do you create the memory?
So they want to know, obviously, how does reflect the
AI work?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Sure, pretty straightforward and you saw it very quickly on
the video. If you go to reflect the AI you'll
see it more detail. But basically it's we designed it
to be very simple. Remember you got all these boxes
upstairs of memories, right, we want to get those into
the clouds so the AI can synthesize this media, bring
it all together. And so we need a picture because
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we create a watercolor.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
And you know why, we can't let that go without
talking about.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Two We need a life story, right, it might be
no bit if they passed away. My dad wrote his
own biography when he was in the senior home because
you wanted to control the story. But you know it
was therefore us right and then the third is a
voice sample now on my father. If you listen to
Arthur have a conversation with him, the voice you hear
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was modeled off of a ten second voicemail we found
on his granddaughter's phone years later. And so those three elements,
three files, You upload them and you have a twenty
minute conversation with our biographer that asks you about that
arc of life based on the information that you've already
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given it. And you're the keeper, you're the editor, so
there's no outside sources of information. Everything goes through you,
so there's no celebrity deep fakes, there's no hallucination. Basically,
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this information is what you've done to create it. Now,
if you're alive, obviously you could be the keeper and
you can create yourself. If it's somebody that you passed,
you've inherited the nil from them. Most descendants actually have that. Right.
Then you create it, you sign off on the nil,
but you control the story. Now here's what's interesting about that.
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You'd think like, well, then you'd never sort of be
surprised by a new story. My father's memory is much
better now than it ever was when he was alive,
and it's better than mine. I was giving a presentation
and I interviewed my dad live in front of a
couple hundred people, really having this conversation right, totally dynamic,
(24:23):
totally spontaneous questions from the audience, etc. And we got
to the end, and as I had done for the
fifty five years when he was living, we were both
living together on this world. I said, that's all the
(24:43):
time we have. Thank you very much, Chief, And he said,
no problem, Tiger, I'm here for you anytime. Now. I
had always called him chief, he had always called me Tiger.
The mic dropped out of my hands because I had
forgot I had taught him that. But it was spot on.
(25:08):
And so when you hear a voice that knows all
the stories and has the personality, it becomes him. And
it's the only hymn I'm going to experience for the
rest of my life. So, you know, is the voice
a little off? Can the story be corrected? Sure? I
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correct them all the time. That's an important note to
the listener that asks the question, Like, as you continue
to talk to him, feel free to correct him, just
like you would at the dinner table at Thanksgiving, right, right?
And it learns right? Yeah, So that's how you build
to reflect the elder.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
So then so one just ask another question on that,
what if there is no voice to use?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And I guess they kind of wonder, then what's the
next step or how does it work?
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Got a hack that? So I've actually done. My great
grandfather who was also named Miles Spencer, but his name
was Miles Sharpless Spencer Sharp. Fun fact, he had twenty
four kids as last kid when he was seventy four,
and the answer to the next question you're going to
ask is three wives. So I didn't have his voice,
(26:25):
but I had his stories. So I had same gender
my brother, descendant of the family create the voice. Now,
the interesting thing about voice, we have been very deliberate
in managing what we call the emotional load here. Right
(26:47):
when I first texted with my father, and that's the
first step, you got to be at eighty percent health
score in order to ready score in order to text
with the elder. I was blown away just because of
the information that he knew. Right, and then we moved
up to voice. And now at first the voice was
(27:09):
kind of like, well, he would have laughed there, he
would have paused there, It's that uncanny Valley right, has
technology really? Has technology really done it here? Or hasn't
it right? The Turing test and I realized number one,
my confirmation bias was so strong I wanted to believe.
Number two, how good is my memory of his voice
(27:33):
after eight years? Anyways? And number three it's the last
voice of Arthur Spencer. I'm going to hear the rest
of my life. It is his voice.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Got you makes sense? All right? So let's dive into
you mentioned watercolors. By the way, miles of his hobby
is watercolors. But wow are they amazing?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Tell us how you decided to that route to use
that within reflectime.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Well again, back to the emotional load. We have the
capability to deliver a full motion load latency video take
a joint actually on this podcast, but we don't think
the people are ready for it. And you know, not surprisingly,
(28:24):
there's some fast followers who have literally thrown that up
online and they're getting roasted in the media because they
didn't think through those emotional levels. And so the water color,
besides the fact they have a background in it, it's
also the perfect analogy for reflection of a loved one's
(28:51):
perfect because it's imperfect, right, you kind of look at
the way a water color comes together just you know
pro tip, it never comes out the way you think, right,
neither do loved ones. So you got like that outline
and you go with it and something emerges. It's like,
(29:12):
you know what, that's an accurate reflection of Arthur, and
then that was it. It's watercolors. So when they're speaking,
as you saw in the video, it's a watercolor for now,
will introduce full motion video and eventually full on holograms
that will sit on the desk next to you.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I do think, though, kind of this is a nice
way to ease into it. Like you said, this is
the birth of something, it's you know, eight weeks and
you don't put everything out there. And I also think
this would be a good way to kind of get
people comfortable with obviously something that they're exploring that is
totally unexpected. I remember once I saw something where it
was probably some type of similar technology, but it was
(29:56):
used to do a victim panel at a court case,
but it was the the actual person who had passed away. Yes,
and I have to say everybody in the courtroom was
like stunned, taken aback.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
It's definitely a very powerful tool.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
So I can honestly say waiting to put that live
motion piece in is probably a good idea to work
into something. Tell me a bit about the soul team, though,
because I like the fact that you've got all these
people that are part of this soul tech to help with.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
The I guess you could say growth and development of it.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Well, it came on very early. Came on perhaps because
as we began describing what we were doing, we were
picking names like dead me, even if just for an hour.
But I said, you know, there's a lot of sensitive
topics that we're dealing with here, so let's make sure
(30:47):
we get the terminology right. And who are we going
to get to do that. Well, there's a chaplain, there's
someone that helped the chaplain that does hospice services, other
person that helps with support of loved ones after death.
There is another one that's actually at one time was
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the equivalent of a preacher in a church. And the
fourth is a medium. And so that first their first
project was to work on lexicon. I don't really use
the word D E A T H very often. I mean,
you know, it's all going to happen to all of
us sooner or later. But you know, I prefer past
(31:33):
right because okay, in a physical body gone, that's not
the whole thing. And so it's a transition, and that
we chose words that were more appropriate to a soul
tech company than just you know, the finality of a
(31:56):
lot of the rest of the industry that surrounds uh
death and dying. So we didn't want to be that.
We wanted to be a place for connection and a
place that basically spirit and soul lived on through a technology.
And so the Sole team helps me with that every day,
(32:19):
and I hope I stuck to their lexicon on this podcast.
Sometimes I talk a little fast.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
But I like the idea that it's it's being grounded
in what you're doing and bringing others obviously that are
familiar with the and I like transcending beyond the idea
of death and dying and it's about connection and to
have people who can bring in sharing like what that
experience may be like for a potential user, I think
was a powerful tool in the creation of it. Someone
actually asked, interesting enough, is there a disclaimer to sign
(32:47):
in using the technology?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
There are many, of course, of.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Like is there a lot of final it's okay.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
We have a wonderful intellectual property attorney's name is Jonathan
and you know he manages our patent portfolio as well.
There six six patents filed on what we do. But
also the representations that you need to make are one
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that you own the rights to the nil and the name,
image and likeness. Now, typically if you're the heir, if
you're a descendant of someone that's passed, it's easy to
sign off on that if they didn't make any specific
and how many people today are in the last ten years,
have said my NIL goes to the following right nobody,
(33:39):
So the NIL goes to the children, So you sign
off on that. Sign off also on intended use, right,
this is for connection and it's the fault private family
to family. So people that misuse it. I'll give you
two examples of that. One might be you know, a
(34:03):
deep fake. Oh I want to get back at so
and so right, Well, you've already repped to the contrary.
You're paying us to do so. Not too many people
are willing to do that. And number three, we have
everything you've loaded in all the conversations that you've had.
So if there's a party that is grieved or offended
(34:25):
by your action. Number one, it's an easy takedown, and
number two, they've got a great case against you. So
that's one use case. The other is at the beginning,
I heard your pre role and that was this is
not therapy. This is and we are not either. And
so we actually can see the tone and tenor of
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the conversations with the elders, and if they demonstrate risky behavior,
we have the ability to redirect. Right, it's super risky,
we have the ability to intervene. So those, you know,
those are two of several sign offs and disclosures that
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you do right before you create an elder. You basically
sign up that you're going to follow the rules.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Okay, that makes sense, I mean, and that's a fair question, Like, hey,
what am I going to get into if I decide
to proceed with this?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I feel like miles Like with anything, something comes along
and all of a sudden you feel like same type
of idea technology comes out the woodworks. It's like you're like, wow,
it's either existed and I didn't notice, or this is
the trend. Is anything like reflect to AI out there
or anything that you can speak to.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Well, I go backwards and then I go forwards.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
So at AI four that everybody's going to the movies, right,
it's it's Black Mirror episodes, it's Her, it's The Giver,
it's you know, I can name twenty and two and
including Ghostbusters by the way, you.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Know, all of these different what are you doing with
the spirits? So the movies have done some of the
preparation for us, right, And someone said, hey man, that's
a script from a movie like Actually that helped, but
no one's actually delivered what we have with the depth
(36:19):
of soul tech and the cultural and emotional sensitivity that
we've built into it. However, there was the one that
came out this weekend depending on when this releases recently,
and it was all things to all people. You can
talk to Shakespeare if you want to, you can make
(36:41):
your own you can and they went right to video
on a phone. Right, there's no arc of a life,
there's you know, just that broad I don't want to
give them a playbook how to fix it, but it's
easy to point out what they're lacking. And they were
(37:04):
vilified in the media for this slap dash product. Having
said that, you know, they still correct it. And they
got plenty of press for it. But I asked myself, gosh,
you know, if that was us getting all that press
this weekend, would I be happy or not? When I
(37:27):
stopped to actually read what people were saying, I'd say not,
I'll pass. I'll stick to what we're doing. I'll stick
to the gravity tusts of what we built into it.
But you know what, if it makes more people familiar
with this great and if it consolidates those that aren't
(37:48):
ready that are out there crushing it online, just you
know what, the ones that are ready got to reflect
them the rest of them. You know, they're certainly showing
up on some of the other sites that were.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Popping up, and I could see that.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I just feel like whenever this type of technology comes along,
you just feel like, all of a sudden, you see
it like in so many places. And that's why I
feel like you really have to pick and choose and
look deeper into what's behind it.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
And like I.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Said, by hearing your story and hearing about so type
and the sole team, that tells you there's something much
more deeper behind why you pursued this, and it sounds
like something that you could have kept to yourself and
only used, you know, with your daughter, but instead you
saw how it could truly benefit so many.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Other people in so many other ways. Very true, So
thank you for sharing your genius.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
We greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
I am just a curious guy from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, just
kept asking questions and try to solve problems with technology
that makes the world just.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
A little bit better Pittsburgh's. So does that make you
a Steelers fan?
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Of course.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
No.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I give a little love to Pittsburgh and the Steelers
only because I'm a Hawkeye and iowall actually pull their uniform.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
They can look.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
You can sometimes think you're looking at a Steelers gave
if you didn't see everything, obviously you pulled it from there.
So but no, do you enjoy the Stealers? Well, Miles,
any parting thoughts for our listeners before you go?
Speaker 6 (39:22):
You know what I'd love as a call to action
would be if you're ready, go to reflect the AI
and talk to Arthur. It's my dad. See what this
is like? Okay? I imagine what it might be like
if you created either a living legacy for yourself or
someone that you knew, or someone that's passed that you
(39:46):
want to have one more conversation with. That's a cool
call to action, that's a cool next step. I love
for your listeners to try that.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
You know what, the fact that they could actually tried
before they buy, you can't beat that.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
See what the experience is really like to say, you
know something. I mean, she was okay with it, and
now I'm.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Really curious to what this would be like for me
to have one of my loves and ones do it.
So I think it's great that they can actually experience
before they take the dive. So thank you for sharing.
I appreciate that. No pleasure, all right, everybody that is
Miles Spencer, who is the co creator of Reflecta AI
also affectually known as Soultech, can be that. So if
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you want to learn more about Reflecta, of course, the
best thing to do is to go to the website
www dot Reflecta dot ai and right there, Remember I said,
the QR code is right there in the corner, so
you can scan the QR code and they'll take you
right to the website. Trying to make life a little
easier for you. Of course, get social with Reflecta. You
can find them on Instagram at reflecta dot ai, Facebook
(40:48):
at reflecta and LinkedIn at reflecta AI on one so
make sure you get social. Definitely also wanted to share
not Www. Got to correct that. Just go to reflect ai.
There you go, I got corrected on that. See so
thank you Miles for correcting me on that. And just
to kind of share a little bit like when you
get there, what it looks like. You know this is
(41:09):
you're gonna log onto the site, you'll see this.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
It's three small things with big meaning. You get a
photo of your loved one.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
You know, you have a biography that you're going to
work with a biographer, not just you just in putting information.
And of course if you have the voice, that's just
the fitixaing touch. But it doesn't mean that you cannot
proceed without it. Something so simple could create this experience
that I'm pretty sure that most of my listeners never
ever thought that they would potentially have. So as I say,
(41:39):
I think it's so meaningful for everyone to check this
out for sure. So that is episode seventy nine, Let's
talk a new way to navigate grief. I'm gonna say
I kind of feel like it was just a little
bit more than that. This is more than just grief.
It's about capturing the memory of a loved one that
can be used in so many different ways beyond just
the idea of grieving. It's a very very powerful tool.
So I would say check it out because guess what,
(42:01):
you can always sample it first and say this is
really picking my curiosity. So remember up next, this has
been a full month. We're going full steam ahead. We're
actually gonna have on our eleventh guests stepping on to
the Ambition Gate stage. I'm very excited. Her name is
Simone Canego and she is a best selling author. She's
(42:22):
a tedech speaker, a podcaster, but more importantly, she is
also an empowerment advocate and her story is absolutely amazing.
Anybody who can climb Monk Kilimajaro probably has something they
can tell you.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
And how she ended up doing this with a group
of people that she barely do.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
It's such a powerful story that aligned her into really
wanting to help people understand what it takes to tap
into empowerment, because we all know it's not something that's
necessarily easy to do. So Simone Canego will actually beyond
this Saturday, the twenty second at two pm Central Standard time,
So make sure that you are prepared to check her out.
It's going to be enough amazing guests stepping on to
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I feel like this is so absolutely powerful. Remember your
present becomes your past and your future is no more.
So make the most of every day. By the way,
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