Talkline | Oct. 23, 2025

Senator Shelley Moore Capito talks about the shutdown and why she doesn't favor blowing up the filabuster. Taylor Richmond, Chair of the WV Libertarian Party, weighs in on a number of issues. Hoppy shares his thoughts on the latest tax troubles for Senator Jim Justice. Plus, your calls and texts. 

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time for your comments today. Coming up Jared Hauburn, Fox
News Radio. We'll check you with him bottom of the hour. Later,
Hoppy stops by, and the chair of the State Libertarian Party,

(01:55):
Taylor Richmond, will join us in studio here in Morgantown.
As a matter of fact, so that's the line up.
You got the numbers.

Speaker 7 (02:01):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Meadows in Charleston, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Good morning, twenty two days, ten hours, seven minutes, and
fifty five seconds at the mark. There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
But who's counting. The federal government remains shut down, as
TJ just very nicely illustrated day twenty three into day
twenty three. Now, there will be a vote today on
a bill to require the government to pay essential workers.
That coming a day before millions of federal workers will
miss their first full paycheck. Can Senators get that across

(02:31):
the line? Let's ask you, s Senator shillymore Capito, who
joins us on Metro News talk line. Senator, good morning,
good morning to both of you. I appreciate you. Hopping on.
So can senators at least agree on a bill to
pay essential workers today?

Speaker 8 (02:45):
You know, I would certainly hope.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
So.

Speaker 8 (02:47):
I mean we're talking about not just our military, TSA,
our air traffic controllers. I mean a lot of our
federal employees are working without pay, some of them here
in the Senate for that all night filibuster. They kept
them up all night and they were, you know, are

(03:08):
working without pay. So we have an opportunity today to
vote for Ron Johnson's bill, which is the page I
think it's the Fairness Act, and hopefully we can we
can join together and agree that we're going to pay people.
But the early indications are is the Democrats will block
that as they have blocked everything else.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
So you're handicapping that. You think it's not going to happen.
I don't want to put I.

Speaker 8 (03:30):
Don't think it's going to happen. TJ. No, No, I
don't think it's going to happen. I just think that
they are. They are obstructing every every which way. The
simple way is to, as you've heard me say, just
vote to open the government until November twenty first and
work out some of these other issues. But they're dug
in and there. They're not changing. Although three Democrats are

(03:52):
voting with us consistently. We just need several more.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
US Centator Shelley Moore Capito and joining us here on
Metro News talk line. A lot of blame going around.
What are Republicans doing to try to get this government
reopened and get this moving again?

Speaker 8 (04:07):
Well, you know, there's lots of conversations going on. But
the leader John Soon has said to the Democrats numerous times,
both face to face and on the floor and in
the press, you know, I don't know how clear I
can be. Vote to open the government, stop holding the
government hostage, and we will begin to deal and negotiate
on these issues, whether it's healthcare or other issues that

(04:28):
are in front of all of us. And we are
also having, you know, behind the scenes, I guess you
could call it that conversations. I have them daily with
Democrats asking what's it going to take, and they don't
have any suggestions except that they want to have these
enhanced health insurance premiums that are have no income guidelines

(04:52):
on them to just go on forever. So it's one
point four trillion dollars and that seems to be their
baseline and that's a baseline that I can't accept. And
I just think that we would do better to open
the government. We've tried to get appropriations bills going. They
will not do that, and so it's we're stuck in
the mud here because it does take sixty votes.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
I do want to ask you about these enhanced ACA credits.
You can correct me on anything if I'm wrong here.
My understanding is that these were meant to be temporary.
They were meant to be as a means and avenue
to help people through COVID. With that said, I nearly
had a heart attack last night, Senator, when I looked
and we meant to thirty eight trillion dollars in debt.

(05:35):
We added a trillion dollars in a little under two months.
We went from thirty seven trillion in August to thirty
eight trillion. Look, I don't want to see people not
have healthcare, but we can't afford it. We can't afford it, right.

Speaker 8 (05:48):
You know, we had a couple a lot of things
really during COVID that were meant to be temporary. And
as you know, well you put a government program onto
something or some kind of an enticement, particularly in economic enticement.
It never goes away when it's the government, and that
is that is the issue with enhanced ACA credits. The

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ACA credits, the original credits that were put into place
when Obamacare was passed are will remain. These are additional.
These These are ones that people two and three hundred
thousand dollars a year are getting credits, are getting government
money to help afford their insurance. I personally don't think
that's fair that we could make reforms here, and that's

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what we've said, Let's reform this and make sure that
the people who need to have the enhanced that need
to have the help can get it. And thirty eight
trillion dollars I did notice that, but also that we
had spent less money over the last I think the
Trump administration released that yesterday had spent less money than

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we had the year before. So you know, we're trying,
but until we get appropriations, we can't do anything, and
we're so we're going to be stuck in this until
and the Democrats here's an interesting thing. We have an
appropriations committee, which I'm on. Democrats have voted bipartisan. We've
voted on all these bills to get them out of Committee,
almost all of them, and they now are refusing to

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vote for them for bills that they've already voted for.
So that just shows you it's a political exercise, it's
not a real policy exercise.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
US Senator Shelley Moore Capito is joining us here on
Metro News talk Line. There was an article this week
that there are signs hardliners in the House are warming
up to the idea of being able to negotiate on
these ACA, these extended tax credits that we're talking about.
There seems to be some willingness to talk. It seems
like this is going to happen once the government gets reopen.
What's the hang up?

Speaker 8 (07:42):
Well exactly, and I think the hang up is and
what they keep saying is, well, we don't trust you.
But when the leader of the Senate stands before the
entire country and use the social media and says we
will negotiate on this, but the government has to be open.
You can't hijack the government on a policy issue, it's

(08:02):
not going to work. And so he has been very
clear on this. I you know, we're talking about ways
to improve this to retain some and and have others expire.
But we can't have those serious conversations until the government
is open. I think that's a reasonable position. We've had
twelve times, we voted for it. We're going to vote
for another one here probably next week, and so you know,

(08:27):
it's very frustrating. And you know, I went through TSA
on Monday coming up, and I mean, I all I
could say was I'm trying. I'm trying. I mean, there's
a lot of frustrations. So at least today I can
say I voted to pay you. If that helps, And
because you're essential and you have to work, what.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Do you think happens?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
First, too many people walk out because they're not getting paid,
or we get past the Obama Care Yeah, no deadline?
When for reinsurance? Yeah? November first.

Speaker 9 (08:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
I mean there's a theory that the November one deadline,
which is when insurance companies come out with their raisin premiums,
that this will be the that will be the time
that the Democrats say, Okay, we made our point and
you know, well, will now begin to negotiate. But we're
just wasting time, honestly, because people have to sign up
by the end of the year, and if there are

(09:17):
some adjustments we need to have made those when we
could have been making them over these twenty two days,
So that could be it.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
I hope.

Speaker 8 (09:25):
So I hope it's sooner than later. I mean, if
you recall, I said, oh, we'll probably be it'll it'll
just be four or five days. Well I was totally
wrong on that, and I think that you know, they're
just dug in.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Senator Capitol joining us here on Metro News talk line.
You mentioned needed sixty votes to get this through. There
is the nuclear option to roll right over the filibuster.
Would you support that to get the government reopen?

Speaker 8 (09:51):
You know, I will not support eliminating the filibuster. I
signed a letter in twenty seventeen with Republicans and Democrats
saying that I will couldn't eliminate the filibuster. It protects
the rights of the minority. It also protects us from
bad policies. It also protects While it's frustrating at times,

(10:11):
it forces negotiation. And I'm just not going to break
centuries old traditions because the Democrats won't go back to work,
and so you know that's what they keep saying, why
don't you just break the filibuster? No, because if the
filibuster is broken, then they add people. You know, when
they're in power, they're going to add people to the

(10:32):
Supreme Court and all other kinds of gun and abortion
issues that they want. So I think it's too valuable
an instrument for us to just to eliminate. And I
won't vote, and I don't think the votes are there
anyway to eliminate the filibuster.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
We talked about that thirty eight trillion dollars in debt
as of yesterday, the Argentina deal that would add another
forty billion onto that. Do you support the administration in
the Argentina?

Speaker 8 (11:00):
You know, I'll have to confess that this is not
my wheelhouse, and in what the President has done in
terms of knowledge with Argentina, I think it's it's some
kind of a currency swap. I think certainly we need
friends in South America. We see with drug trafficking and
some of the extreme really communist leadership that some of

(11:22):
the governments have there that friends and vibrant economies in
South America are critical. So you know, I'm gonna have
to trust the President and Secretary Besant on this one
that this will be This is is something that's in
our national interest and hopefully, you know, we can move

(11:44):
forward on the beef issue is what everybody's got stirred
up about when the President said that sort of made
enough the cough, We're going to buy more Argentinian beef.
I mean, I've never seen more Midwestern beef. Senators have
a beef with the President when we were over there
the other day, and I have a feeling he will
be withdrawing that statement because we have a vibrant beef

(12:11):
business in this country. We have some in West Virginia,
and you know it's by America. I mean, let's help
our producers in America.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Senator Capito of the President also issuing new sanctions on
Russia as part of trying to put pressure on Russia
to come to the table to negotiate an end to
the war in Ukraine.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Right move, total, right move. I mean, you know the
Putent lies, he doesn't he doesn't have he has this
vision of reconstructing the former Soviet Union. He's killing innocent
people in a country that's not his, and the President,

(12:50):
I think is right to press the sanctions. We have
a sanctions bill in front of us here in the
Senate that has eighty five co sponsors. We haven't had
it up for FLOORA actually because we've been sort of
waiting for the President to weigh in on this. But
I think, yes, I fully support sanctions on pudin anything
we can get him to bring him to his knees.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
I am in favor of Brent crude. West Texas crewed
up more than five percent today based on those sanctions.
I'll heard Americans at the pump still the right move
even with.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
That pain, absolutely, because well, I mean, first of all,
gas is down, it's way down below. It's down below
three dollars, and I think it's one of its lowest points.
I think that's probably a temporary blip. I think we've
got enough oil availabilities all around the world to be
able to keep our prices down. And I know it's

(13:43):
important to the President, and I think he'll work on that.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
US Senator Shelley Moore Capito in Washington, d C. They'll
vote today on a measure to pay essential workers, and
presumably again on that clean cr Senator, appreciate you stopping buying.
We'll see what happens, all right.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Thank you all very I will be voting in favor
of paying on our subtle employees. I certainly will thank.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
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Speaker 1 (15:35):
Three oh four Talk three oh four is the text
line eight hundred and seven sixty five eight two five five.
We'll check in with Jared Halpern in just a moment.
Let's get some of your text your thoughts at three
oh four Talk three oh four. The problem in negotiating
with Trump is that he has a fluid relationship with
the truth and cannot be trusted to negotiate in good
faith and not reneg after the facts. That paradigm is

(15:56):
what gets lost in the conversation with capital trust there is.
I don't disagree, but TJ, you got to negotiate at
some point. At some point, you've got to come to
the table and reopen the government you do.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
I really don't think Democrats have much leverage though, and
I'm not talking about the sixty vote threshold. Right now,
people are still working. I'm not hearing huge stories about
people walking off the job. So really all we're doing
is running up liabilities and eventually we'll pay them. Now,
if people start to walk out, does the government really care?

(16:29):
Remember the old Office Space movie where Milton they just
took care of the problem and they stopped sending him
his paycheck and eventually he walked the way. Would the
government care if people walked away? We've been talking forever
about getting people off the payrolls. What they really care
these ACA extensions? Bottom line, Dave, what we may want

(16:49):
to do or like to do, we can't afford it.
We cannot afford it.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
You know, you don't want to hear this. That's irrelevant
because there are Republicans who have signaled they are willing
to extend those They're willing to extend those subsidies, but
they're not going to do it until the government gets reopened.
So and I get the trust thing, I get it,
I get it. But eventually you're going to have to
come to the table. Eventually you're going to have to
come to the table. And if people start walking off

(17:15):
the job, I guess you're betting they're going to blame
the other guys and not you. Three or four talk
three or four. Here's why there's no trust. When Lindsey
Graham said on television that they would not vote on
a Supreme Court nominee during a presidential election year, and
then they did it anyway. That's why there's no trust.
Hijack reasonable serious, I'm trying. I'm trying. She's not or else,

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and she and Justice would have a plan where just
wasting time. Indeed, says the Texter, blame, blame, blame, new
drinking game. Take a drink every time, she says Democrats,
we would have been drunk ten minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
You all think I'm drinking coffee every time you see me.
Take a sip here.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's Myers coffee there. If your employer doesn't offer health
care insurance and no one can afford ACA anymore, what
do people do for healthcare?

Speaker 9 (18:02):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Three or four? Talk three or four? Dave TJ Florida,
listener here, the US added one trillion in debt in
two months. At this rate, debt will be one at
a trillion by twenty thirty five. This country won't survive
this and will be gone by twenty thirty just four
years from now. Most folks alive this very second, we'll
see it come to a crashing end.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
And ran Paul and Thomas Massi are the only ones
talking about it. Hey, unless anybody wants to deal with
means tested welfare programs, and nothing's going to change. I
don't know that we have a choice. I really don't
know if we have a choice. See, this is the
other thing too. We have to be the world's cop
I mean, we have to spend on defense. We talk
about China. You know, I went and looked up China

(18:40):
has free healthcare. They have universal health care. It sucks,
that's why they have it. And it's a communist country.
We're the ones that have to hold the bag on
all of these things, Dave. So, you know, in a
capitalist society that values liberty, when you have real opponents
that do not, that are communists, well you got to
be all in. You got to be fully capitalist. You
got to be self sustaining and independent if you're able,

(19:02):
not talking about people who can't, because you got to
fight all this other crap in the world in terms
of political systems that don't like what you're doing. Yeah,
Russia has free health care too. It sucks, that's why
they have it.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Citizens cannot afford to have their health insurance. If the
Republicans can pass a huge tax cut, for those who
do not need it. We can afford health insurance for
those who need it. Wasn't the ACA is supposed to
make health insurance affordable.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
That's what I thought. Doesn't remember stand for affordable?

Speaker 7 (19:31):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
We should start calling it that I put eye in
front of that to like or you or something. I
gotta come up with a better acronym. But it shouldn't
be the ACA because it's not affordable.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Dave and TJ. How can we not afford it? It's
not like these people would stop getting sick or needing
medical They would go to the emergency rooms where treatment
is given, and we all still pay for it. Hey, guys,
one thing I can say about Shelley if she never
has much to say, she never has much to say
about anything. When Doze was reeking hea on federal employees
and then hear Shelley support them, and I say the
way they were being treated was wrong. Now that she

(20:06):
can use them for her political gain, she supports them.
Flip flop, Shelley, then make elite class pay their fair share.
We don't need to do the fair share argument today.
I will say this, if you want to talk about flip,
everybody's flip floff. You want to use a flip flopping,
go back and look at what Senator Tim Kine of
Virginia was saying in twenty eighteen during the shutdown. What

(20:26):
he was saying then about passing a clean cr and
negotiating after the government was reopened, and making certain federal
employees are getting paid. If you want to talk about
flip flopping, now it's a different story. Yeah, we got
time for one more.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
David Temmy, how that happens?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, the budget standoff is all on the Democrats in Congress.
They have created a mess and are hurting families. We
cannot afford as a country anymore national debt. They probably
should use their nuclear option to open up the government,
then finish the twelve appropriation bills cut three trillion year
from the federal budget. We knew this was coming. I
think she's right on the nuclear option. That is, if
you break that uh, you break that glass, it's broken

(21:04):
forever and again. Things shift and everybody wants to knows
that to youj Democrats, Look, they want to get rid
of the filibuster. What a couple of years ago. Right
now they're loving it.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
So I think the entire Senate's broken, but that's a
debate for a different day.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Three ZHO four Talk three oh four is the text line.
Eight hundred and seven sixty five eight two five five
the phone number. We'll get some more on these Russian sanctions.
Jared Halpern will join us Fox News Radio. We'll talk
to him. Hoppy Kersheval bottom of the hour more or
top of the hour. Actually we're at the bottom of
the hour. Uh more tax troubles for Senator Jim Justice.
We'll get into that. More of your text as well.

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Speaker 12 (21:56):
Western Virginia. Metro news ie Jeff Jenkins. There are a
number of federal work at West Virginia International Yeager Airport
who have continued to work through the government shut down.
Airport marketing director Page with Roe says they've been trying
to help the workers by meeting a few needs like
daily meals. With Row says the community has responded in
a big way. If he plans on continuing to seek
assistance so I've.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Been doing some work on the back end, just reaching
out to some organizations and to some restaurants just to say, hey,
this is what we have going on.

Speaker 13 (22:23):
If you'd like to help, that would be great.

Speaker 14 (22:26):
And the response has just been amazing.

Speaker 12 (22:28):
Shut down into its third week. Governor Morrissey will soon
choose a replacement on the State Supreme Court for the
late Tim Armstead, just as Arms said died in late August.
State Judicial Advisory Panel has submitted the names of Eastern
Panhandle Circuit Judge Stephen Reading and attorneys Eric Hudnoll, Robert Ryan,
and Gerald Titus to the Governor Me's troy a new
state wide course Binder Brad mclaheeney explains, well will happen
after Morrissey makes his choice.

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The appointee serves until the next drew election, at which
point they can run to fill the remainder of the
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Armstay's term runs to twenty thirty two. Governor Patrick Morrissey
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The new Martinsville Police Department will host its second annual
Hide and Seek Fall fundraiser this Saturday. Police Chief Tim
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bands and then police will look for them. Cecil says
it's positive interaction with the community. He remembers when the
idea first came up, they kind of looked.

Speaker 16 (24:38):
At me like I was kind of crazy at first,
but once it started and we all got out there looking,
it was really fun and the community really enjoyed it.

Speaker 12 (24:47):
Cecil says money raise goes towards the annual Shop with
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Jeff Jenkins.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Three or four Talk three or four is the text
line eight hundred seven sixty five eight two five five.
That is the phone number. President Trump announcing substantial news
sanctions on Russia's two biggest oil companies as frustration grows
over the war in Ukraine. Fox News radios Jared Halpern
joins us from DC. Jared, good morning, good morning to you.

(25:29):
Appreciate you coming on. So put this into terms that
they are easy for us to understand what are these
sanctions and what's the goal here.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
So the goal is to put again more economic pressure
on Moscow energy. Oil exports remain the number one revenue
source for Russia, and you have seen this administration try
and slice the way at that through a number of ways.
One by putting pressure on Europe and other countries to
stop purchasing so much natural gas and oil from Russia.

(26:00):
You have seen that pressure applied to India as well
with the threat of tariffs on Indian goods. And now
this further step, the two largest oil companies in Russia
and dozens of their subsidiaries now falling under the arm
of US sanctions. It doesn't mean a lot in the
terms of like American money going to those companies, because

(26:22):
there wasn't a lot, right, we don't buy oil from Russia,
but a lot of companies that Americans may have business
with do, and so this again kind of squeezes those
companies and cuts off any US financial interaction with those
companies and their subsidiaries throughout Europe.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
I guess one of the questions why now has the
White House given any indication about why they pulled the
trigger at this point? Not earlier, not waiting just curiously
about the timing.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
The timing is because the president has grown increasingly frustrated
that they had these conversations with Putin, they haven't gone anywhere,
and so this is just another pressure point. One of
the reasons that not just this administration, but even the
previous administration was hesitant to impose some of these sanctions

(27:17):
on Russian oil is because of the global oil market. Obviously,
any disruption will to cause oil prices to go up.
That means higher gas prices, that means higher groceries. It
can have an impact, and so presidents of both administrations
have been a little hesitant to do that. But this
is certainly an indication that there is growing frustration from

(27:41):
President Trump. And in the statement that Scott Vestn't, the
Treasury Secretary, put out in this statement yesterday, he said
as much that given that Vladimir Putin has shown no
interest in ending this war, we are now take this step.
So it's just another pressure point that the United States
has here that they are going to try and apply.

(28:02):
Even President Trump conceded it may not work, but it
is another step to take. And again it kind of
is just a ratchet approach. They've tried the carrot right
with these summits and these conversations and all of these things.
They have not been successful. And so now you're seeing
President Trump kind of bring out the stick in the
form of sanctions, and he says that there could be

(28:23):
more to follow.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Fox News Radios Jared Halpern joining us. Meanwhile, in the
Southern Hemisphere, the administration presenting Argentina with a bailout that
has come under some criticism, especially from cattle ranchers and
bee farmers here in the States. Jared, but what's the
rationale behind this bailout for Argentina.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
Well, those are two different things. So the bailout is
it relates to Argentina is a currency swap, and it
is because their economy is kind of in what the
administration describes as a transition. Remember they elected Javier Malay
has come in and promise to slash government spending and

(29:04):
erase deficits. He has moved pretty quickly to do that.
It has caused some inflation problems for Argentina. Malay is
a close political ally of President Trump. His party is
facing midterm elections I think next week, week after next,
and so this is kind of a stability point to

(29:25):
try and stabilize their economy, to give Malay some runway
here to continue his economic reforms. It's notable, though, that
the President has been pretty clear that this is an
offer for Malay and only Malay, that if his party
loses these midterm elections that they have and moves in
a different direction economically, this type of assistance is not

(29:46):
going to be available. That they are not going to
bail out or provide any sort of economic support to
Argentina if a new government is in office.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Now.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
The relation with the beef farmers is that beef prices
have skyrocketed in this country. Right, They're up like nineteen
percent over the last year for ground beef. It is
for a couple of reasons. Primary the tariffs that have
been placed on foreign imports. Right, Brazil a fifty percent tariff,
So all of that beef coming in from Brazil has

(30:17):
a fifty percent tax attached to it. You have also
had ranchers for several years now dealing with environmental issues
thinning herds, and so they have raised prices. And one
thing that President Trump has said that he would do
is bring in import more beef from Argentina. There is

(30:38):
a teriff on that it is not fifty percent, it
is less than the Brazilian beef. The Cattleman's Association is limited.
Is they are saying that that's not America first, that
we have supported your policies and bringing in foreign beef
is not going to help domestic suppliers. You saw President
Trump take exception with that in a pretty pointed truth

(30:58):
social yesterday, essentially saying that US cattle ranchers need to
bring down their prices because he is also trying to
do what's best for consumers. So it is a rare
rift here between President Trump, his administration, and a constituency
that has generally been very supportive of this president in

(31:20):
farm country.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
All of this amid a huge increase in the debt. Jared,
we hit thirty eight trillion yesterday. Curious that the White
House is saying anything about that, specifically about the fact
we jumped a trillion dollars in just about two months
from August to October. What if anything is the White
House saying they've.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Not really acknowledged it. I mean, obviously, you know the
administration is going to talk about how fun spinning levels
right now are still at kind of Biden levels. There
have not been these year long appropriations bills passed by
Congress since President Trump has taken office. They are talking
about kind of these those cuts that they have been making,

(32:01):
and now you hear the President talking about these permanent
cuts as it relates to the shutdown. But I imagine
that at least on Capitol Hill, it is going to
fire up and galvanize a lot of those fiscal hawks
who have been arguing that these continuing resolutions are not
the way to go, that we do need a more

(32:22):
drastic step here to bring down spending. Obviously, you need
sixty votes in the Senate to do that. That is
always going to be the challenge. The other challenge is
that the biggest drivers of spending in this country are
the military and these social programs, of which even President
Trump concedes are not going to be cut, at least
in kind of broad terms. He's talked about rooting out waste,

(32:44):
fraud and abuse on Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid, but
that's not I mean, there's just not enough there to
substantially right bring down the debt. And when you talk
about reforming those programs, boy, that has always been a
political third.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Rail, and nobody's willing to touch it, Jared, nobody's willing
to touch it.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
Well, no, I mean because you know, the provos was
out there and you know what they are have been
raising the retirement aid or putting caps on income and
things like that, which again are going to take an
awful lot of political will because these are not partisan
issues generally, right. I mean, these are programs that have
been in place for decades, that Americans planned for, that
Americans depend on, and when you start talking about touching those,

(33:30):
it's really easy to kind of go down the slippery
slope of you know what ifs. And keep in mind
too that historically older Americans vote at a higher propensity
than any other voting block in this country.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
We talk about the you just mentioned the Russian sanctions,
and I think people gloss over this. If our debt
continues to go out of control. You know, there's a
reason we're able to undertake these sanctions. Treasuries are seen
as risk free. People have to do those deals in
dollars where the reserve currency. If you don't have that,
if we default, we get to a point where we

(34:06):
run into debt issues. Things like those sanctions that we
did yesterday on Russia. It would be very hard to
undertake those, right, Jared.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
I mean maybe not with the Russia sanctions, just because
again there's not a lot of US money in the
Russian economy right now. This is more intended to cut
off American interest in some of the subsidiaries. But you're right,
there is a worry that you know, a weekend US economy,
a week in US dollar makes it harder for the

(34:36):
United States to exert this type of economic pressure on
countries like India and China especially, right. And so that
is something that you've heard President Trump talk about. You
have heard him that was one of the big beefs
he had one of the big disputes he had with
the Bricks Group, right, Brazil and Russia, India, China, South Africa.

(35:01):
Group that has kind of been formed to counter US
economic influence and kind of move away from that dollar reserve.
There's not been a lot of success in that movement,
but it is certainly something that President Trump has been
mindful of and has been very critical of in his
threatened sanctions and other types and not sanctions, tariffs and

(35:23):
other types of economic pressures to prevent that from happening Fox.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
News Radios, Jared Halper and Jared I know you're over
at the White House, but just curious. Have you been
watching this about the operation Royal Flush, the gambling bust
and the NBA players involved.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
I see it's happening now. I've not been on it,
but it seems pretty wide widespread. Yeah. I don't know
if they said if it impacted games. I know that
there was like a poker ring and things like that.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I believe the one player for the Blazer, Chaunse Billis,
got arrested.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
Yeah, it's like an active coach.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
The guys faking injuries to come out of games early
to try to influence. So this is crazy.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Yeah, and it's one of the things that you know
is the proliferation of yep, sports betting has come up
that people have warned about. But you know those sportsbooks
are pretty big revenue drivers print all a lot of state.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Right.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Once that that tooth face is out of the two,
I don't know how you put.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
It back in Fox News Radios, Jared Halper, Jared always
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three oh four. Texter wants to know, by the way, gentlemen,
when Shelley Moore Capitol was on, you did not ask
her about Trump tearing down the White House. What's up
with that? Jim? You want to take a bet? What

(38:51):
I'm about to say, tj.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Uh no bet? Now, okay, I might get in trouble.
Basketball players are getting arrested for bets. I don't want
to be a part of that. I really want to
get to the top of the hour so I can
read about that just a little bit. Your answer, Jim,
is I don't care. That's your answer, don't care. Three
or four talk three or four.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Who's going to prop up the US economy when it
gets to the inevitable situation of Argentina? Well, I got
your point. There is nobody to prop us up.

Speaker 20 (39:20):
TJ.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Yeah, there's nobody to prop us up. Absolutely none. And look,
we got into this a little bit with Jerup. I've
seen the arguments. Oh, we owe ourselves, it's just money.
We can no. No, there is a reason the United
States is the reserve currency of the world. There's a
reason treasuries are considered risk free. You lose that status.

(39:44):
Let me tell you something, Get your Swiss army knife
and head for the hills, because your life is over
at that point, as you know it. The economy is
over as we know it. We're flirting with disaster here
and the fact that we just gloss over it. Only
two people in Congress want to talk about it. Yeah,
concerns me deeply.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
But you can talk about it. You're blue in the
face until they are willing to take on major reforms,
those means tested welfare programs. It is what it is.
You can doe dose is just cutting around the fringes right.
I mean, even if we spend a little bit less here,
you're just cutting around the fringes. Until we do that

(40:22):
ToJ you're you know what, into the wind.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Aren't you?

Speaker 21 (40:26):
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Speaker 4 (40:26):
And just to state the obvious here, to make sure
we understand what we're talking about. This cr that's discretionary spending.
Oh sure, it has nothing to do with the mandatory
spending that you're talking about that we really need to
cut so and look making sure people get that.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
And dude, look what happened when we put work requirements
on Medicaid.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
I know the just.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Outrage that we gotten from that, let alone full on
major overhaul. By the way, that lock box W was
talking about in two thousands looks like a pretty good idea, now,
doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
So not to change the subject, but I'm reading very
quickly as as you're talking here. I was reading about
this thing in the Wall Street Journal. Listen, listen, what
h Terry Roziers. You know he's a place for the heat.
What's always attorney said they wanted the misplaced glory of
embarrassing a professional athlete with a purp walk, said Jim Trusty,

(41:18):
his lawyer. Terry is not a gambler, but he is
not afraid of a fight, and he looks forward to
winning this fight. Pretty strong words, pretty strong words. So
there you go, all right?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Uh, I want to read this text.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
David TJ. Sent this to Representative Miller and Senators Capitol
and Justice. The partial government shut down has created much
controversy and discussion. Much of the discussion discourse has been
about economics, and particularly the payment of federal employees. When
a person deserves to be paid for his or her
performance has not had a paycheck deposited into their account

(41:55):
of their financial institution, that causes the employee to become stressed. Therefore,
I propose a remedy, and I request that you, in
your official capacity, draft and introduce a bill that requires
all members of Congress not be paid when any future
government shutdowns, partial or otherwise occur.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
I hear you, but members of Congress probably don't have
cash flow problems. I doubt they live paycheck to paycheck,
and many government employees may not. Maybe those who have
been seasoned understand this and they put a little aside
and they can manage it that way. But most of
this country, Dave, as we've talked about before, couldn't come
up with one thousand dollars if they needed it for
some emergency. They just can't do it. They don't have

(42:32):
the savings.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Texas says twenty eighteen shutdown was over what oh yeah,
tax dollars going to build a wall? Not the same.
Stop making the comparison. I will not, because at the
end of the day, what it boils down to is
at In twenty eighteen, it was Republicans pushing their agenda,
trying to use a CR to do that, and now
Democrats are doing the exact same thing, trying to use
the CR to push their agenda and roll back what

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Speaker 1 (44:26):
Just getting some of the details on this gambling ring.
This sounds like something out of Oceans. I guess this
would be Oceans fourteen. There's three Oceans movies, right, Yeah,
they're talking about poker chip analyzers X rays like X
ray tables in the poker side of it, fixed NBA games.

(44:47):
This is crazy.

Speaker 15 (44:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
One of the it was News Nation actually flashed insider trading.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Now.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I don't know if they meant that literally, like in
the term of trading insider information for gain on Wall Street,
but that that's what was up on the lower third.
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
This is crazy, all right. I'm gonna skip right to
the break. So I want to ring about this. Cancel Hoppy,
We're gonna talk gambling. That kid copy he's going to
join us at eleven oh six. Uh Dave, I know
you like guns. TJ likes golf. I have a super
groovy idea. Follow him around on the golf course and
when he hits the ball, yell pull and blow it
out of the sky.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
I pack on the golf course. Not I mean people
know that, but I do. Hey have you seen the
golf club that you don't swing it? You put a
firing cap in it and you hit the button. It's
it's meant for handicap people and different things so you
can enjoy the game and people like me that don't
have straight drives, so everybody can use it.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I see they make prank golf balls. Don't that sound
like that expander you play with his kids?

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (45:49):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
You ever do this thing?

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Is?

Speaker 21 (45:51):
No?

Speaker 4 (45:51):
I've never done that. I always said if I was
going to do something, you remember the movie Jackass where
they hung out in the uh trees there by the
T box and use the airhorn. That's what I would do.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Nice Texters, is as I understand it, The East Wing
of the White House is one hundred and twenty years old.
Was obviously added to the original White House. I wonder
if there was as much pushback to adding it as
there is to removing it. So it used to be
what Teddy Roosevelt put the East Wing on. Originally it
was like it was an entrance, right, coke room and

(46:21):
an entrance, and then FDR expanded it in the forties
because they put a bunker under it. Yeah, the PIAC, Yeah, yeah,
the presidential whatever that stands for the PIAC. And as
far as I know, it's just it's office space.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
It's rsh ladies, suite, those kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
It's you know, nobody's making a TV show about the
East Wing.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
I just don't care.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Uh three or four talk three four? Does anyone find
it odd they busted the players from a predominantly black leg.
I'm sure the gambling is everywhere. No, that didn't take long.
Just like George Carlin warned us, they're coming for your
social Security and they'll get it.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Like the George Carlin reference at the end of the hour,
did Cash Patel really have to have the FBI windbreaker on?
I mean, don't we know what he does.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, but it's so cool.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Jeez, I want to wear the wind breaker. Happy Kirschwall's
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(48:00):
is in Charleston. I'm in Morgantown. Morning again, TJ.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Morning, This is fascinating news Nation reporting the FBI saying
that gambling scheme funded the mafia. Oh, we've got the
mafia involvedas is fascinating is like, this is like watching
a movie.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
This is like watching a Hollywood script unfold. You got
the Mafia, you got points shaving, You've got rigged poker games,
which I mean, that's been going on forever, right so,
and I'm only getting bits and pieces of it here
because you know, we're trying to do a live show. Tjson,
I'm fascinated to sit down and read about this a

(48:37):
little bit later on. All right, well, we'll dive into
that a little bit later. Friend of the program and
chair of the State Libertarian Party, Taylor Richmond, going to
join us on set here in Morgantown, will chop up
a few of the issues of the day with him
over at wv Metronews dot com. Got a couple of
stories up this morning involving Senator Jim Justice and his

(48:58):
tax situation. We talked yesterday about the tax lien the
IRS had placed on Senator Justice and his wife Kathy. Now,
the West Virginia Tax Division has filed liens on the
Greenbrier Hotel and Sporting Club, both owned by the family
of Senator at Jim Justice, over sales taxes collected but
not remitted one point three to six million in financial

(49:21):
obligations of the state have piled up months ago. The
tax issue is distinct from the us IRS lien that's
been placed on the Justice family. Also, you've got the
state Supreme Court that has stepped in and halted activities
related to the auction of lots around Glade Springs owned
by the family. There's a long standing dispute with the

(49:43):
homeowners association there and homeowners' fees at Glade Springs. The
State Supreme Court has stepped in and halted activity so
they could review the case more thoroughly. That's the cliff
notes version. If you would like more details, Brad mclhenny
has the stories for you at wv metronews dot com.
Hoppy Kerchival weighed in in his weekly commentary and he
joins us this morning. Good morning, Hoppy, Good morning guys.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Appreciate you coming on so way in here. Senator Justice, again,
this is not new, but he and his businesses continue
to have issues with taxes and tax payments.

Speaker 22 (50:19):
Well, Dave, think about this for a minute, and you
just laid out in cliff notes four different significant financial
issues facing Justice and Justice family businesses. And this has
been pretty quiet for a couple of months, a couple
of months leading up to the election last year where
he was elected to the US Senate. A couple of
months after that, but it has resurfaced with a bullet

(50:41):
with the four things that you mentioned. The IRS saying
he owes eight million dollars which Justice disputes in back
and back federal taxes. Well that's a serious matter, as
Brad Micheliny reported one point three million dollars. And I
think this is serious stuff in unremitted saale sales taxes.
And if you own a business, you're obligated by law

(51:04):
to collect sales taxes and turn them over to the state.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
That isn't your money. You simply are the collector.

Speaker 22 (51:10):
And this for the second time in less than two years,
Justice Family Businesses have been hit by the state Tax
Department for not remitting money owed to the point where
the state Tax Department has filed a leans against the properties,
meaning that if Justice Family Businesses don't satisfy that debt,
that obligation, that those properties could be sold. And then

(51:33):
there's the association fees. He owns Glay Springs Resort. He
has hundreds of parcels of land, and he has an
ongoing dispute with the association about whether or he should
be paying association dues. And then there's property tax issues,
unpaid property taxes, unpaid property taxes for parcels in Rawley
County that the county has filed LEANS on. So this

(51:56):
again is another surge indicative of the ongoing financial obligations
of governor, of Senator Jim Justice and his family. And
I think two of them are particularly egregious. The IRS
issue and I know people have to speech with the RS,
but also not paying the sales tax. I mean, that's
again you're collecting it and then you either monthly or
quarterly or annually pay it.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
And it got to the point where for the.

Speaker 22 (52:19):
Second time the tax departmenter said, you haven't you haven't
turned in the money.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Therefore we're filing LEANS hoppy.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
I don't know where to start with this. There's so
much Would it be wrong of me to be concerned
that one of my representatives in the Senate, a body
that will pass law that will affect the IRS, is
into the IRS for eight million dollars? Do I really

(52:47):
have full representation? If Justice owes the IRS eight million
dollars I mean, I hate to think that way, but part.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Of me does.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Well. I I don't know.

Speaker 22 (52:57):
I don't know if there's if there's implications like that.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
That go beyond just the money owed, right, I mean,
I don't know. I don't know how it affects his
ability to represent the state. I don't know about that.

Speaker 22 (53:11):
It just stands out to me that this has been
going on for years, for years of non payment, slow
payment of obligations and at all different levels of vendor,
the county property taxes, now the IRS, state sales taxes.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
It is a pattern you cannot deny. It is an
ongoing pattern.

Speaker 22 (53:40):
Yet, Interestingly, as you all have talked about and we've
reported with the Metro News poll, most West Virginians don't
care or don't care enough to have an impact how
they feel about governor about Senator Jim Justice, because he
continues to have the highest rating of any politician in
West Virginia. And that's probably going to continue to be true.
As you happen to be one of the entities that's

(54:02):
owed money.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I'll be kurgeble joining us here. I'll mention News talk Line,
why do you suppose that is? Is it his personality?
He's very he's very personable. You feel like you know
the guy if you spend any time with them. Is
it just because is it because he many voters consider
him to be on the right side of the issues?
Is it because these are things are so abstract to

(54:24):
most of us. I mean, Ohn eight million dollars own
state sales taxes, Well, nobody likes the irs anyway. Combination
of all the.

Speaker 22 (54:31):
Above, Yeah, I think you're right, Dave in that these
are numbers, right, these are numbers. And perhaps there's a
lot of West Virginias who can relate to have difficulty
paying their bills and paying debts. And if you owe
money to the bank, I've often said, if Justice Show's
ten million dollars to the bank, who feels sorry for
the bank? If Justice Ow's twenty dollars to the pizza guy,

(54:54):
people are honked off. Right, So maybe it's that it
all seems sort of out there and kind ofibulous and
doesn't affect the daily life of individuals. And as we've
talked about many times, Justice is a very likable guy.
He's the big guy in the room. He's got baby dog.
They had a birthday party for baby Dog at the Capitol.

(55:16):
People lined up to come in and see baby Dog,
which further softens off the edges of a politician. He
is by many people in West Virginia. He's a beloved
figure and he is look I know him. He's a
very likable guy. You know, you like to be around him,
and he I think he genuinely exudes love for people

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and for West Virginians.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
I think that's I think that is true. But two
things can be true.

Speaker 22 (55:44):
You can, as I like to say, you can love
people and be a lovable person and still not pay
your bills.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
And I think that's what we have in Senator Justice.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
The inequity of the small business owner. That isn't Jim Justice.
I mean, I've been in a small business owner. I
know a lot of people who have Your point is
spot on. You clean that sales tax. It's not your money.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
You have to pay it.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
And guess what if you don't have enough money at
the end of the day to pay your employees, remit
your sales taxes, et cetera, et cetera, you don't get paid,
or in some cases, you have to take money out
of your personal wealth to make the payroll, right right,
A small fish a guy like me, I'd never be
able to get away with something like this. I mean,
let's just call it a spade of spade. That part
of it I think is incredibly disappointing.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Hot.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
I mean, the small business guy in West Virginia who's
trying to run a coffee shop, that's you know, maybe
he got kicked out of the mines or something, trying
to do something to be an entrepreneur. I mean, how
disappointing that oil. Yeah, Jim Justice can get away with it.
I can't.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Well, that's I think that's a really good point, TJ.

Speaker 22 (56:47):
And there probably are many small business owners in West
Virginia who may they maybe they remit the sales taxes
monthly and are quarterly, and they say, wow, I just
had to strain to remit those taxes. Right to remit
that money. I know it's not my money.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
I had to pay it. I just had to strain
to do that. He hasn't paid his.

Speaker 22 (57:10):
So it's look at the very least, at the very least,
and now, because remember the irs story was a national
story in political by Ry Rovard.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
He used to be a report in West Virginia is
a national story.

Speaker 22 (57:23):
So it's also bad optics, right, you know West Virginia's
I mean, people know Jim Justice nationally just some degree
because of baby Dog in a variety of things. Wow,
it was the irs money. I mean, so it looks
it looks at the very least, it looks bad. It
looks bad for him, looks bad for the state.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Happy Kurchieble joining us here on Metro News talk line.
Have you been following the announcement of Operation Royal Flush.
We're catching bits and pieces of this major gambling ring,
evidently that the FBI has taken down.

Speaker 22 (57:54):
Yeah, guys, I just was reading about it before we
went on the air and haven't had time to digest
at all. But this is a gigantic story, a gigantic
sports scandal, and as you mentioned, two levels. One is
these high stakes gambling games where they would have big

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name athletes or former athletes participate to draw in the fish,
the people who had big money who wanted to gamble
with a big name, but they were cheating.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
The games were rigged and they were tied to the mafia.
So that's one thing.

Speaker 22 (58:30):
The other thing, which I think is really more interesting,
is that they've gotten player, an NBA player, and maybe
other players who are involved in a point shaving scandal
involving sports betting at the NBA level. This is what
and Bill Bradley, former NBA player for the Knicks and
former US senator, he said in twenty twenty four, he said,

(58:52):
this is going to happen. Once you make this kind
of gambling so prevalent and legal and open.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
To everybody, you're going to have a scandal like this.
And it was prescient.

Speaker 22 (59:04):
I mean, that's that's what we have now, and I
think it would be fascinating to learn more about it.
When you have this much gambling, you think it's hard
to keep it out of sports bet of pro sports.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
And you wonder, guys, you wonder how long before.

Speaker 22 (59:17):
Because it won't happen, because how long until there's a
similar scandal involving college players With sports betting being as
widespread as it is, that's got to be coming.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
To If you have this at the professional level to
this degree, it has to be.

Speaker 22 (59:32):
It probably already is occurring, and there will be a
scandal similar scandal at the college level at some point.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
We've had those in the past. What was it in
Arizona State in the nineties, there was points shaving was
I don't want to do it was Saint John's. There
was another point shaving scandal there eighties nineties where and
that's when it was you know, that's what it was,
way off the books and you were involved with really
shady people.

Speaker 22 (59:56):
Yeah, you're you're right, David, And so it was. I mean,
you've always had these of scandals, but not that frequent.
And again because it was kind of tamped down because
the sports betting wasn't legal. Well now it's not only legal,
but socially acceptable. I mean, the ads are all over
the place. More people than ever are participating in this,
so there's more money at stake, and when there's more
money at stake, there's going to be more temptation. And look,

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I don't know you would suspect it goes on now
and I think you're going to see I think you're
going to see more of this, and I'm really look,
props to the I know, the Justice Department under Donald
Trump is coming to criticism. Props to the Justice Department
in the Trump administration for investigating this and bringing these charges.
This is a gigantic story that will send shockways throughout

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the entire sports community.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Your point makes me think about how some of these
online companies, the draft Kings of the world, et cetera,
what they may have to do to ensure folks that
use those systems that they're not caught up in something
like this. That's unfair. There's stocks down a percentage point today.
By the way, I just looked at it. I'm was
curious based on this new but it is so prevalent.
And I mean, someone asked why I start with the NBA.

(01:01:06):
They talked about the fact that it was a predominantly
black league. I mean, you can, you can start that conversation.
You went, But I think it's because they had the
best case on the NBA bases. That's where it is. Yeah, exactly.
I think it would be naive though, And I don't
think anybody thinks that, Look, this can't go on in
the NFL, major League Baseball, et cetera. It's it's widespread.

Speaker 22 (01:01:24):
To your point, I can't see how this has anything
to do with race. This has to do with This
has to do with where it's happening. Okay, this has
to do with where it's going on. I mean, you
have an NBA coach Chauncey Billups of the Portland Trailblazers,
a coach who's caught up in this and has been arrested.
You have a player for the Miami Heat who's been arrested.

(01:01:47):
You have like thirty one individuals who've been arrested. So
any thought like oh this is racist, it's you. You
go where it is, and where it is, obviously, according
to the allegations, is in the NBA and not too
not trying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
To defend any sports books here, TJ, but you bring up,
you know, DraftKings, the other legit sports books, they're the
ones that generally start at least start the ball rolling,
because if there's something off, hop they're going, if there's
money going one way that they don't expect it to be,
they know, they know, And a lot of times it's
a sports book that starts the conversation going what what
Wait a minute, why are there why they put so

(01:02:27):
much money on the Trailblazers. Uh, wait a minute, he
left the game early. You start that, that ball starts rolling.

Speaker 22 (01:02:33):
So yeah, it's this is going to take a long
time to unpack, and it's going to have it's going
to reverberate, not only through the NBA and professional sports
are going to verberate from top to bottom in the
whole sports betting world.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
A couple of minutes before we gotta let you go here,
hop and hit the brake, don't of you homecoming Coal
Rush game? Is there? Give me some optimism heading into
the weekend?

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
All right, I'll give you some optimism. It's homecoming. If
you're a loyal.

Speaker 22 (01:02:59):
Alone of the institution, which I am, and you're a
loyal lum of Marshall, homecoming is a special time and
many people come back and they look at the schedule
and say, I'm going to come back for the homecoming game.
And they get together with some of their buddies that
they went to college with and they come back to
campus and they ride around town and they look at

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the old apartment where they used to live, and they
enjoy the band when the band comes out, And of
course they want West virgin to win the game.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
But it's more than the game. It's more than the game.

Speaker 22 (01:03:32):
It's the opportunity to return to a place that was
significant in your life development, where the arc of your
life began to bend in a certain direction.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
So you want the team to win, but regardless of
the outcome, enjoy the.

Speaker 22 (01:03:46):
Experience of returning home, homecoming home to WVU, home to Morgantown,
and just enjoy the entirety of it all.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
How about that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Happy kerchvlle glass always have full?

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Right? You going to the game?

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
No, I don't go to the games. I watched it.
I I tell you, I don't go.

Speaker 22 (01:04:08):
Somebody asked me this yesterday. Is that, you know we
talk about the games on Sunday on three guys. Is
that if you're at the game, it's hard for me
to concentrate on the game. Okay, there's a lot going on,
but if I'm watching it and listening to Tony h
and Dwight and Jed, I can focus more on the
game itself and watch the replays. Now I feel like
I get more of the game by watching it from home.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I just don't like people. I don't like the crowd.
I'll just be honest.

Speaker 22 (01:04:35):
You don't like the crowd plus money, plus the bathroom
is like eight steps away.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
I've turned in You'll some of you will appreciate this.
I've turned into our friend Eric Maguire. I just do
not want to go near the people. I hate the crowd.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
Well, come on, man, be a man of the people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Of the people.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Well, hey, I know what's going on, but I just,
you know, I get.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Happy.

Speaker 19 (01:04:57):
Kurch.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Well, you can read the commentary of for WV Metro
News Dude, WV Metronews dot com and new three Guys
coming out today.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
Yeah, yeah, we'll recorded at twelve thirty today.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
All right, we'll look forward to that as well. Hop
always appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Thank you, buddy, Thank you, guys, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Talk line continues in a moment.

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Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, I'm reading about the gambling bust. This is absolutely fascinating.
So Terry is a Terry Rosier. Yeah, of the Miami
Heat faked an injury to leave a game between the
Hornets and the Pelicans. Last year. Your billups was part
of an illegal poker takedown. This is just that's crazy, crazy,

(01:07:07):
and I am fascinated and I am fascinated by it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
When you tell you talk about the mafia, so I mean,
I'm not I'm not, you know, exaggerating the Mafia's in
this thing. The people?

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
What did I see? Or is that poker? Is that
more the poker side of it. I'm still trying to
parse through it. The Lakosa Nostra crime family. We have
crime family. This is this is straight out of Hollywood.
Let's go ahead, and get the thirty for thirty. Let's
get the rights to the thirty for thirty on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
What if I told you like watching the Sopranos.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Holy moly? Uh three or four talk three four? I'm
not sure what that means.

Speaker 15 (01:07:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I was at UCF's homecoming last week to cheer on
the Mountaineers. So sad, but they had a good homecoming celebration,
says the text. Here's Hopy being with the people, and
he's a germophobe, says the Texter and the NCAA. Just
to prove college players to be allowed to bet on
pro games, l O L. I was in the room

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ten years ago when they were discussing the fix of
a major college football game, and it went as planned,
says The Texter. Boston College was nineteen seventy eight, seventy
nine basketball scandal. There was a good thirty four thirty
show about Yeah, that's the one I was trying to
think of. My apologies to Saint John's. It was Boston
College and those guys were involved in I mean some

(01:08:31):
really shady people like break your knee caps, you know,
kidnap your mother type shady people.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Now you want to know why there's no trust in
America stuff like this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
That's why oh I thought it was all uh John
Thune's fault. Three h four Talk three or four is
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Party chair Taylor Richmond going to join us in the studio.
More of your text coming up as well at three
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Speaker 20 (01:09:20):
The US Senate is expected to vote again today and
a measure they aimed at restarting federal government operations and
a measure up for a vote would pay those workers
who have been on the job just by the shutdown.
Speaking earlier today on Metro News, talking Line of very
frustrated Senator Shelley Moore Capito had serious doubts if anything
will change.

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
We have an opportunity today to vote for Ron Johnson's bill,
which is the page. I think it's a fairness Act,
and hopefully we can we can join together and agree
that we're going to pay people. But the early indications
are as the Democrats will block that as they have
blocked everything else.

Speaker 20 (01:09:54):
Capital blaming Senator Charles Schumer and the Democrats, and advocates
a bill that would simply extend the Old Buddy to
restart the government and then negotiate terms on various programs. Democrats, however,
are unwilling to vote for the measure unless there's a
guarantee subsidies for Obamacare added during the pandemic or not
cut US. Senator Jim Justice also favors that clean bill.
On social media blamed Schumer and the Democrats for the shutdown,

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but Justice has a separate set of issues here at home.
Only days after the IRS, but eight million dollars in
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Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
The leans from the West Virgia Tax Division apply to
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Sales taxes are required to be filed and remitted monthly, quarterly.

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Speaker 20 (01:11:47):
Some real fall like weather upon US now forecasters say
today's high temperatures in much of the state will struggle
to get past sixteen and tonight it's going to be
even colder, mercury dropping into the thirties, maybe lower. National
Weather Services freeze and frost warnings for the deep southern
coalfield counties and southwestern parts of the state also a
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(01:12:08):
central West Virginia from two to nine tomorrow morning. It'll
be enough to kill outside plants. From the Metro News
anchored ask, I'm Chris Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
A lot of texts to get to We will do
that momentarily three or four T threeh four. Just pull
the curtain back for a moment TJ as I like
to do. You can't see this. I've got a monitor
here in the studio where it gives me like a
bank of all the monitors that are available to our producer.
Here's our producer today, Zach on the video side right way.

(01:13:00):
I can see you down there. I can see if
there's a guest down there, if somebody's on the zoom call. Well,
when somebody leaves the zoom call, the last picture of
them is kind of frozen in that particular monitor. So
I've got a picture of Hoppy Kerchivill grinnin at me
as we finished the show today, the last half hour.
I've got a picture of hop grinning at me for
the rest of the show today. It's slightly unerving, I

(01:13:22):
gotta tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Take a picture, put it on your social media.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
It's just Tim kind of you know, like he's watching
over everything very omnipotently. In this case, we'll get more
again fascinated with this gambling story. We'll try to get
some more details on that as we continue. Well, as
many of you on the tax line like to point out,
there's more than just one side or the other. There's
actually multiple sides. One of those is the libertarian side.

(01:13:49):
Taylor Richmond is the state Libertarian Party chair, and he
joins me here in the studios in Morgantown this morning. Taylor,
good morning, Good to see you again. Boddy, Good morning, gentlemen.
Just want to say we're anxiously awaiting Senator Justices converged
into Libertarian Party. We think he'd probably be a strong
proponent of our main platform that hacks tag.

Speaker 18 (01:14:07):
Taxation is theft. So we have a number of things
to work on him with, but I think he definitely
would agree with that major plank of our party.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
About two seconds, I think, is what it took.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Well done, Taylor, well done, Well done. All right, where
do you want to start? There's any number of issues
you want to start. National, we want to start. State's
been kind of quiet lately. Where do you want to start?

Speaker 18 (01:14:26):
Relatively? Federal's fine, we can work our way down, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
How do we end the shutdown?

Speaker 18 (01:14:31):
I mean, for the most part, libertarians are pretty happy
with it, although I would say that as long as
the government is still stealing our tax dollars, they're not
actually shut down, right, So, but I think there needs
to be some agreement on what the role of government is,
and the two major parties disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Obviously we disagree as.

Speaker 18 (01:14:47):
Well, but I think there needs to be some consensus
that we can do with a lot of the things
that the federal government is doing. And I don't think
that the Democrats are willing to make concessions on that.
But we often say that the Republicans will campaig as
libertarians then actually governed as liberals. So you know, at
the end of the day, it's all the same to us.
We see the same thing happening over and over again,
no matter the government shut down, air quotes or actually operating.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
What's more important to the libertarian point of view our
debt situation and doing what we have to do to
manage it, or if we have the pony up one
point four trillion for these ACA extensions, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Would say the fiscal cliff.

Speaker 5 (01:15:24):
DJ.

Speaker 18 (01:15:24):
I'm surprised you haven't had me on because I'm also
one of those or had me on more since I'm
also one of those weird guys who concerns themselves gravely
with the federal deficit and debt that we have. You know,
we are at least a lot of libertarians will say
somewhat regularly. Ron Paul was right. Ron Paul was right
when we were twenty some trillion dollars in debt. He's
still right when we are now thirty eight trillion dollars

(01:15:45):
in debt and growing every day. And to my previous point,
I mean, let's we talk. You guys are talking about Argentina.
How much did we cut from usaid? Well, we just
made up with all of those cuts with what we
gave to Argentina. Right, So here we get from the
Republicans minor wins that they like to flash a pant
in the pan and then they turn right around and
just spend wildly like drunken sailors.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
On the other end, I hear what you guys are saying.
And it's not that I disagree with you. It's just
you're going to turn blue in the face until until
someone someones we need least sixty someone's in the Senate, obviously,
until they're willing to talk about means tested welfare programs.
That's just going to You can nibble here, you can
nibble their right tailor. But these are the things that

(01:16:28):
are driving the debt. These are the things they're driving
spending and nobody wants to go in and touch those
particular third rails or a particular third rail of politics there.
So you can scream till the you scream for the mountaintops.
We're still going to end up. We're still on that
glidepath that down that direction until that particular issue is
you just take it on and maybe it maybe, and

(01:16:49):
maybe they have to before they want to.

Speaker 18 (01:16:52):
Yeah, and I would say, you know, really, unfortunately the
only two voices of reason in Congress right now are
Rand Paul and Thomas Massey, the most libitarian individuals there
who are voting no regardless of what is proposed, because
we can't even get back to pre Biden, pre COVID
level areas of spending. So yeah, the Republicans always talk
a big game of title entitlement reform, but they never

(01:17:13):
deliver on it. And unfortunately we're just driving towards this
fiscal cliff. And we say that Republicans are just Democrats
driving the speed limit towards that cliff, whereas liberals and
Democrats would probably speed a little faster towards it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
I'm going to give you a question. I get a lot.
It was on the text line today all this doesn't
really matter. It's made up money. It's money we owe ourselves,
so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Well, I don't think we owe all of it to ourselves.

Speaker 18 (01:17:37):
I think we have a number of creditors that exist
out there that maybe you know, hopefully never but might
just one day call in those But I think we're
seeing it in the devaluation of our currency, right, I mean,
that's what inflation actually is. It's a devaluation of the dollar,
and it's only going up and up as we continue
to print more and more of it. So as we
do that and a number of other things happen within

(01:17:58):
the macro economy, it's going to harder to live out there.
And we're folks were having harder time paying their bills
and just making it day by day because the dollar
doesn't go as far as it used to. So you
may say it doesn't matter because it's incrementally going up,
but pretty rapidly increasing the inability of individuals to go
out and pay for their groceries or pay their bills
because the dollar is weaker and weaker.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Taylor Richmond joining us in the studio. He is chair
of the West Virginia Libertarian Party. Joining us here on
Metro News talk line, what do you do with Argentina?
You brought up Argentina. TJ wrote about Argentina this week.
I'm going to guess you're not in favor of a
bailout for the South American country, but explain.

Speaker 18 (01:18:37):
Well, we do love their president. I mean's probably the
most libertarian world leader that exists, but that doesn't mean
we should be funding anything that they do, or funding
really anything that any other country does around the world.
You know, as I mentioned, we're thirty eight trillion dollars
in debt and now we're propping up other countries. We
Republican administration came in and said we need to cut

(01:18:59):
all this four and then we turn right around and
out do it or outspend it within one stroke of
the pen. So yeah, Unfortunately, there are problems all over
the world that need resolved. The United States is not
the world's police. We should not also be their ambulance,
their firefighters, or any other types of rescue, especially when
our fiscal house is burning.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
So in terms of being the world's cop, that's one
of the arguments on Argentina. It's that, look, we don't
want China to go in and prop up that market
and have a greater communist presence in South America. The
argument is, like it or not, we have to be
the world's policeman. No one else will do it. That's

(01:19:39):
why some of these other countries can afford universal health
care and all the other socialist type programs because they
don't have to pay what we have to pay in
terms of somebody's got to hold the line on capitalism, right,
what does the libertarian model think about that? In terms
of well, isn't there some kind of benefit to making
sure that that communist regimes don't get a greater hold

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on our footing and don't get closer to home?

Speaker 18 (01:20:04):
Well, I would say that, you know, look at history,
communism generally fails anywhere that it actually takes root. And
where have we been successful in doing any of this?

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
TJ.

Speaker 18 (01:20:13):
I mean, look at over a history in Vietnam and Korea,
all these places where we've tried. In a number of
other countries, we're still currently no. It's look, it's proposed
as an attack on drug cartels, and like we're trying
to do regime change in Venezuela. That's all that is.
You know, it takes like twenty refills of those speedboats
to actually get you know, up to the United States.

(01:20:35):
And all the drugs are coming from Columbia and other
places anyways, and from China. So anytime we try to
these regime changes, we try to you know, meddle in
the affairs of foreign countries. It always works out worse
than what we've been tended. I ask, where have we
been successful in the past sixty years.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
It's a fair question. It's a fair question. But you
have to have some sort of foreign policy. You have
to have some sort of policy that, look, we you
don't want China in Argentina strengthening it's ties there, right,
And China is the main factor. Look, you want to
talk about debt, China's the one you got to worry about.
China buying up the debt. It's not you know, one
of the European countries who buys your debt that you're
worried about. China's the big geopolitical force that we're all

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but in a cold war with at this point.

Speaker 18 (01:21:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think there are definitely economic ways
in which we can handle these situations, right, And that's
where the Washingtonian principle of not getting entangled in foreign
alliances and all these similar NATO and all the UN
and everything else, and all the negative things that come
out of that stem from I would like us to
get back to that. Utilize our strength as a economic power,

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not in propping them up with our own dollars, but
whether we trade or not trade. That's a much better
approach than actually just handing over piles of cash or
sending in our armed men and women to affect a
regime change or a coup or things along those lines
that we've tried over the past sixty years.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Taylor, I'm going to shoot you straight. You and I
agree on a lot we do. If someone held a
gun to my head, as you know, I'm fiercely independent,
have no will to join a political party. Someone held
a gun to my head though, and made me I
would probably join your party.

Speaker 18 (01:22:06):
Well, that would be a violation of our non aggression principle.
So we just have open arms for you, TJ.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
With that said, you don't hold any seats in Congress.
At one point, I think you had one or two
governor's chairs. Maybe you don't anymore. I don't know. Anyway,
would it be better if the Libertarian Party realized that
it needs to be a party or a caucus of
ideas and economic thinking and really focus on driving the

(01:22:34):
two parties and holding them un accountable more so than
trying to get seats in these houses. Because it's it's
a tall mountain you got to climb here. I don't
know that you're ever going to get there, if I'm
being honest.

Speaker 18 (01:22:45):
Sure, and I think that's a valid question, right, But unfortunately,
the two party system has created rules for us to
even be a viable be a party. Right, So in
West Virginia, for example, we need a certain percentage of
the Gubernatoil vote to stay a major party status and
have certain rights with then the game of politics. So
we have to do some of these things even to
have the notoriety, for example, for You two and other

(01:23:07):
shows to recognize and have us on to talk about
these things. If we don't have either third party status,
then the likelihood that we're going to get airtime is
a lot less. So we have to play this game unfortunately.
So I don't think it's an either or situation. I
think it's all of the above. And I think that's
why you know, we champion folks like Massey and Paul
and folks who are actually making sense on the big

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stage when they are holding the major parties, especially the
Republican Party and the majority that they have right now,
accountable for the things that they campaign on but don't do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
So.

Speaker 18 (01:23:37):
Yes, it's definitely something we are working on to edge
the major parties in certain directions where they're right. Unfortunately
it's few and far between on what those issues are.
But when they are we credit them, and when they're wrong,
we hold them accountable. So it's definitely something that we
are working on and trying to do. But unfortunately, based
off the way things work, the way the world works,
we have to do the other things like maintain third

(01:23:59):
party status, run candidates to do that so that we
can come on the news and talk to you guys,
or people will take us even somewhat seriously to hear
us out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
What's on your gender? Are you looking ahead to the
twenty sixth legislative session would you like the legislature to address.

Speaker 18 (01:24:14):
Well, one thing we like the legislature not to do
is take socialistic means of the coal industry or the
energy industry be actual small sorry free market capitalists, and
let the industry or the market decide what it needs
to do. To TJ's points with a Senator out of
my neck of the woods, Brian Helton, that's one thing.
Just open up the free market, reduce and remove restrictions

(01:24:38):
to entry into the marketplace, remove things like con law
rather regulatory affair issues that make creating business in the
Mound State easier. But one of the major things is
we would like a Republican party, the Republican supermajority to
actually be fiscally conservative and actually cut our state budget.
They keep saying they have a flat budget, but it
grows year over year, and we can't actually have meaningful

(01:24:59):
work competitive tax reform in the state because we can't
shrink the size of government here. I mean Governor Morrisey
talked about this backyard brawl with the neighboring states and
we got we were excited. We thought we were going
to get the Coach Rodriguez of the backyard brawl this year.
So far we've gotten the Coach Rodriguez of all the
other games, unfortunately. So we're hopeful that they can actually
make some cuts, reduce the size of government, get them

(01:25:22):
out of our lives, get them out of our wallets.
And make owning and operating business in the Mountain stay
easier and track business that way, and start trying to
economic develop by giving picking winners and losers, which ironically
seem to be a lot of green companies, which about
ten years ago they were labeling as socialistic Obama schemes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
School choice pro con, Hope scholarship.

Speaker 18 (01:25:44):
Pro con hundred ten percent pro school choice, and the
Hope Scholarship.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
I hope it can.

Speaker 18 (01:25:50):
I hope the Hope continues to grow. And I think
a lot of the issues that folks have with education
are due to the limitation of school choice because in
a lot of air, he has a lot of the
hills and hollers of West Virginia, the only school choice
that many folks have is the public school system.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
He's Taylor Richmond. He's chair of the state Libertarian Party.
You go in the game this weekend, I will not be.

Speaker 18 (01:26:12):
I have a wedding out in New York City.

Speaker 7 (01:26:14):
We go to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
But who's getting married in fall on a football Saturday, a.

Speaker 18 (01:26:20):
Non West Virginia natives, clearly my wife's cousin. But I
will be eagerly watching and listening and finding somewhere to
catch a game and hope that we can bring home
another win. I was very hopeful for the season, but
it's I was also hopeful for the last legislative session.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
But you know what that got us, well, you know,
a lot of newcomers, a lot of injuries. I'm not
sure if we're talking about the legislator session or the
mountaineers there, but nonetheless, Hey, always fun to talk to you.
Appreciate you stopping.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
By, Taylor.

Speaker 18 (01:26:45):
Thanks Lewan, Appreciate you having back.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Taylor Richmond share the State Libertarian Party. You got a website, social.

Speaker 18 (01:26:50):
Media than LPWV dot org, on x and Facebook as
well as the Worldwide Web.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
All right, thank you, Taylor Richmond, Chair of the State
Libertarian Party. Rest of the show belongs to you. Three
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Three or four Talk three or four is the text
line Texter says, Hapy, please, we need you back. These
pompous commentators just suck well, it ain't happening three or
four Talk three or four. You don't want China and Argentina,
but you're okay, with us making soybeans cheaper for China
to buy. Never said that, now, did I?

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
I didn't say it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Uh No. I would say, if you're going to provide
bailout money to Argentina, it needs to come with very
very strict shall we say, guidelines, strings attached and what
o the strings would be. You're not going to do
these things. You're not going to sell soybeans to China
if you want our bailout money. That's how I would
handle it. It's very simplistic approach. I know there's a

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lot more to it, but if you're going to give
them money, I mean, government money comes with all strict
kinds of strings attached.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
If Scott Bessett didn't see that coming a mile down
the road, that they would cut their export tax sure
in order to do what they did with China, I mean, yeah,
that's that's atrocious.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Mike and Huntington, what's your thoughts, Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
Yeah, thanks for taking my call. Guys, your your comments
with the last guest on Argentina are misplaced, and I
can tell you why. I remember, I remember when I
registered for the Vietnam Draft. The same talking points were there.
You referred to a near Cold war, and you talked

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about out China and socialism taking over Argentina getting a
foothold there in South America. That's the precise argument everybody
made for our efforts in Vietnam and fifty thousand American
boys and women dying. And so it's not about saving

(01:30:20):
us from socialism or communism. It's not about a cold
war or as you said, near cold war. It's just
bad foreign policy and it's a waste of money that
should be invested in. Just give you an example economic
infrastructure in southern West Virginia or any other place like
that place. So I'd like to listen to your thoughts

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and I'll come in.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
I've got time, tj Any thoughts quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
Yeah. Look, I was playing Devil's Advocate a little bit there,
Mike with Taylor, just to bring up the situation. I
think what we're doing in Argentina is absolutely ridiculous. I
don't think we should be giving them forty billion dollars
when we're near forty trillion in debt. I don't think
we should have centralized economic planning around the beef industry
or the soybean industry. Yeah, I don't like the deal

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at all, and Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
I would just say that a difference here, obviously is
nobody's talking about sending troops anywhere at this point. Nobody's
talking about sending troops to Argentina to stop China's influence there.
But you are talking about trying to limit and look,
we're a we're in a trade warth China, We're in
a cold warth chrineing and trying to limit their influence
on this side of the globe. Three or four talk

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going to do it for us today. We are all

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out of time. Any of these same Metro news radio
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Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
See you pal.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
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