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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Huh hell he chrismas, uh so.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Did somebody say go blue is out? He says, go
green and go white. We go to Tim Stout when
we want this straight skinny on what's going on the Dean,
who you can, by the way, see in length on
the andro Boot podcast, the a list our podcast, which
you can get wherever your podcasts are. You can learn
about how Tim Stout became Tim Stout. But you listen
(00:40):
to him every day on AM seven thirty, Lancing seven thirty.
It's called where you're listening to us right now in
afternoon drive in the Lanting area. And he's been on
television for decades and radio for decades, and he knows
the spartans inside and out, including the outgoing coach and
the incoming one. Thank you for being here. I don't
(01:01):
want you to spoil your own program because I'm sure
people are dying to hear what you're going to say.
But what was wrong with Jonathan Smith? I've heard people
describe him as weird?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Was he? No? I don't think so at all. Michael,
Happy holidays to you, Thank you. I think he's like
a lot of coaches at that level where much is
given in terms of salary, much is expected. It's a
different world out there, as you know in college athletics anymore.
And for the massive investments, which require more resources than
(01:34):
what the universities have themselves to offer, the return on
the investment in terms of winning is far greater. And
in his case, he isn't any different than a lot
of other coaches. What's different in today's world as they
got through him with two years. But now remember, he
might have even gotten another year at Michigan State had
the athletic director who hired him in the first place,
(01:56):
Alan Haller, still been there, let alone the president still
been there. But neither were and the new athletic director
came in under the proviso fixed football, and that's what
he's hoping he can do after four straight losing season.
So I don't think there's anything unique. The only reason
people or goes around the program thought he might get
(02:19):
another years because Michigan State is in such tremendous debt
in the athletic program, in the athletic department and has
been for a number of years now. How they're going
to foot this bill remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Thirty three million from what I read, and is mel
Tucker's eighty million still up in the air, or has
that been decided in the courts?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, I think that could go past my lifetime, maybe yours,
Who knows. I mean, you know, the court systems with
this stuff are so slow. The only thing that could
speed that thing up, to me is some kind of
a meek settlement, which may or may not come. Michigan
State obviously is trying to figure out any way it
can legally to avoid issues with him. Excuse me, moving forward,
(03:03):
and when they talk about the thirty three million to
Jonathan Smith, remember now that's just him. There's assistant coaches
that are under contract, several of whom make more than
a million dollars a year. So what the commitment is
to the rest of that staff leaving and what the
commitment's going to be to the staff incoming. Okay, assuming
that a formal announcement comes today or soon on Pat Fitzgerald,
(03:25):
you know, all of that gets added to all this,
and you gotta believe Michigan State felt this was a
desperation situation to take on more debt that they're taking
on trying to turn football around.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Pa Fitzgerial got a lot of money from Northwestern for
wrongful dismissal over that naked hazing situation that went on.
How much is he going to get from Michigan State
to come back to coaching after all those years at Northwestern.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well, I'm going to guess he probably comes at a
much better rate for Michigan State if you go by
what others get who have a proven track record. He's
been out of coaching now for three years. He turns
fifty one years old tomorrow. He doesn't have to undo himself,
of course, from any school. And to your point, it
appears he got a very sizable settlement from Northwestern, which
(04:15):
ran that president out of the university. He's gone over
this issue that that president had with Pat Fitzgerald. The
question is is the three years of Pat Fitzgerald that
he was away, does that put him in the background
relative to how things work today. You know my thing
on this, Michael Patrick. I don't care if they hire
(04:35):
Vince Lombardi in his prime, New Rockney or anybody else
to me in today's world, if you don't have players
on the field who could compete with those on the
other side of the ball, because you've got the resources
to pay to get those caliber players. In my judgment,
it doesn't make any difference who you recruit out of
high school or how good your exes and o's are.
(04:56):
You have got to have the players that can compete
with the schedule you have, and Michigan State, amongst your schools,
evidently clearly did not have the players on the field
for Jonathan Smith.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Do you think anybody at Michigan State, a trustee or
maybe a professor, said we're going to hire a guy
who was involved in a naked hazing scandal after we've
had Mel Tucker and Larry Nassar at Michigan State.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Had he not have had a settlement on a wrongful
termination of him, I think that would have been an issue,
But apparently it is not an issue, and I don't
think that was an issue in this. If I was
guessing what his salary is going to be, it'll be
in the neighborhood of sixty seven million dollars a year,
which is nowhere near the top. It's significant. Yes, you
(05:42):
know it's in the Izzo neighborhood at Michigan State because
the football coach is always going to get that. My
guess is there will be a number of incentives in
there for him. Now, let's face it, he had no
cards to play because he was not employed anywhere else.
It's not like Lane Kiffin that you had to lure
him out of a big job. In a big contract
with massive dollars. He won an opportunity at Michigan State's
(06:02):
giving him opportunity.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Did you ever meet or interview the now late Fuzzy Zeller?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I did. I am seed a benefit he did in
nineteen eighty six at the country Club of Lansing after
a kid was very very badly injured in a lightning
storm at the Michigan Boy Junior Amateur and they brought
Fuzzy Zeller in from Fort Wayne where he lived to
just kind of be around. A night of just everybody
(06:32):
coming to spend an evening with Fuzzy Zeller, and they
I brought John Selvin's his name. He's still alive. He's
in Marlette, Michigan. His life, of course was completely alder badly.
But yes, Fuzzy Zeller was there that night in nineteen
eighty six, and I remember introducing him and visiting with him,
and he was good, you know, he was very friendly
and very funny.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Only forty seconds but why did so many news outlets
have to put his drunken comments about tiger Woods in
the first.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Sense of his Oh bit So, the family was with
us at Thanksgiving and the first thing they said is
can you imagine the first thing they say about Fuzzy
Zeller is the offhand remark he made about tiger Woods,
And that's in the first sentence of the story that
he has gone. That's the first thing I thought of,
like you did. I thought, that's why the news media today,
(07:21):
with so many people generally speaking, has the distrust that
many people have for it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You can find him lancing seven point thirty Tim Stout
and on TV two can focus on one thing, our
insurance premiums. But whatever, we're only seeing.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Part of the picture.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
The truth is our health insurance costs reside downstream at
the end of the cost equation. But to really understand
what's driving up costs, we need to look upstream to
the healthcare system itself. Upstream, there are costs like the
price is charged by hospitals and doctors, and the cost
of prescription drugs, healthcare administration, and technology. These costs flow
(08:00):
downstream directly into your health insurance premium. That's why Blue
Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is advocating for a system
wide solution to address the rising cost of healthcare. Blue
Cross knows that healthcare is personal, needs to work for everyone,
and affordability matters, and that starts with shedding light on
the entire cost equation, from upstream costs to downstream premiums.
(08:23):
Want to learn more, visitmibluedaily dot com slash affordability
Huh hell he chrismas, uh so.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Did somebody say go blue is out? He says, go
green and go white. We go to Tim Stout when
we want this straight skinny on what's going on the Dean,
who you can, by the way, see in length on
the andro Boot podcast, the a list our podcast, which
you can get wherever your podcasts are. You can learn
about how Tim Stout became Tim Stout. But you listen
(00:40):
to him every day on AM seven thirty, Lancing seven thirty.
It's called where you're listening to us right now in
afternoon drive in the Lanting area. And he's been on
television for decades and radio for decades, and he knows
the spartans inside and out, including the outgoing coach and
the incoming one. Thank you for being here. I don't
(01:01):
want you to spoil your own program because I'm sure
people are dying to hear what you're going to say.
But what was wrong with Jonathan Smith? I've heard people
describe him as weird?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Was he? No? I don't think so at all. Michael,
Happy holidays to you, Thank you. I think he's like
a lot of coaches at that level where much is
given in terms of salary, much is expected. It's a
different world out there, as you know in college athletics anymore.
And for the massive investments, which require more resources than
(01:34):
what the universities have themselves to offer, the return on
the investment in terms of winning is far greater. And
in his case, he isn't any different than a lot
of other coaches. What's different in today's world as they
got through him with two years. But now remember, he
might have even gotten another year at Michigan State had
the athletic director who hired him in the first place,
(01:56):
Alan Haller, still been there, let alone the president still
been there. But neither were and the new athletic director
came in under the proviso fixed football, and that's what
he's hoping he can do after four straight losing season.
So I don't think there's anything unique. The only reason
people or goes around the program thought he might get
(02:19):
another years because Michigan State is in such tremendous debt
in the athletic program, in the athletic department and has
been for a number of years now. How they're going
to foot this bill remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Thirty three million from what I read, and is mel
Tucker's eighty million still up in the air, or has
that been decided in the courts?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, I think that could go past my lifetime, maybe yours,
Who knows. I mean, you know, the court systems with
this stuff are so slow. The only thing that could
speed that thing up, to me is some kind of
a meek settlement, which may or may not come. Michigan
State obviously is trying to figure out any way it
can legally to avoid issues with him. Excuse me, moving forward,
(03:03):
and when they talk about the thirty three million to
Jonathan Smith, remember now that's just him. There's assistant coaches
that are under contract, several of whom make more than
a million dollars a year. So what the commitment is
to the rest of that staff leaving and what the
commitment's going to be to the staff incoming. Okay, assuming
that a formal announcement comes today or soon on Pat Fitzgerald,
(03:25):
you know, all of that gets added to all this,
and you gotta believe Michigan State felt this was a
desperation situation to take on more debt that they're taking
on trying to turn football around.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Pa Fitzgerial got a lot of money from Northwestern for
wrongful dismissal over that naked hazing situation that went on.
How much is he going to get from Michigan State
to come back to coaching after all those years at Northwestern.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well, I'm going to guess he probably comes at a
much better rate for Michigan State if you go by
what others get who have a proven track record. He's
been out of coaching now for three years. He turns
fifty one years old tomorrow. He doesn't have to undo himself,
of course, from any school. And to your point, it
appears he got a very sizable settlement from Northwestern, which
(04:15):
ran that president out of the university. He's gone over
this issue that that president had with Pat Fitzgerald. The
question is is the three years of Pat Fitzgerald that
he was away, does that put him in the background
relative to how things work today. You know my thing
on this, Michael Patrick. I don't care if they hire
(04:35):
Vince Lombardi in his prime, New Rockney or anybody else
to me in today's world, if you don't have players
on the field who could compete with those on the
other side of the ball, because you've got the resources
to pay to get those caliber players. In my judgment,
it doesn't make any difference who you recruit out of
high school or how good your exes and o's are.
(04:56):
You have got to have the players that can compete
with the schedule you have, and Michigan State, amongst your schools,
evidently clearly did not have the players on the field
for Jonathan Smith.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Do you think anybody at Michigan State, a trustee or
maybe a professor, said we're going to hire a guy
who was involved in a naked hazing scandal after we've
had Mel Tucker and Larry Nassar at Michigan State.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Had he not have had a settlement on a wrongful
termination of him, I think that would have been an issue,
But apparently it is not an issue, and I don't
think that was an issue in this. If I was
guessing what his salary is going to be, it'll be
in the neighborhood of sixty seven million dollars a year,
which is nowhere near the top. It's significant. Yes, you
(05:42):
know it's in the Izzo neighborhood at Michigan State because
the football coach is always going to get that. My
guess is there will be a number of incentives in
there for him. Now, let's face it, he had no
cards to play because he was not employed anywhere else.
It's not like Lane Kiffin that you had to lure
him out of a big job. In a big contract
with massive dollars. He won an opportunity at Michigan State's
(06:02):
giving him opportunity.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Did you ever meet or interview the now late Fuzzy Zeller?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I did. I am seed a benefit he did in
nineteen eighty six at the country Club of Lansing after
a kid was very very badly injured in a lightning
storm at the Michigan Boy Junior Amateur and they brought
Fuzzy Zeller in from Fort Wayne where he lived to
just kind of be around. A night of just everybody
(06:32):
coming to spend an evening with Fuzzy Zeller, and they
I brought John Selvin's his name. He's still alive. He's
in Marlette, Michigan. His life, of course was completely alder badly.
But yes, Fuzzy Zeller was there that night in nineteen
eighty six, and I remember introducing him and visiting with him,
and he was good, you know, he was very friendly
and very funny.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Only forty seconds but why did so many news outlets
have to put his drunken comments about tiger Woods in
the first.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Sense of his Oh bit So, the family was with
us at Thanksgiving and the first thing they said is
can you imagine the first thing they say about Fuzzy
Zeller is the offhand remark he made about tiger Woods,
And that's in the first sentence of the story that
he has gone. That's the first thing I thought of,
like you did. I thought, that's why the news media today,
(07:21):
with so many people generally speaking, has the distrust that
many people have for it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You can find him lancing seven point thirty Tim Stout
and on TV two can focus on one thing, our
insurance premiums. But whatever, we're only seeing.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Part of the picture.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
The truth is our health insurance costs reside downstream at
the end of the cost equation. But to really understand
what's driving up costs, we need to look upstream to
the healthcare system itself. Upstream, there are costs like the
price is charged by hospitals and doctors, and the cost
of prescription drugs, healthcare administration, and technology. These costs flow
(08:00):
downstream directly into your health insurance premium. That's why Blue
Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is advocating for a system
wide solution to address the rising cost of healthcare. Blue
Cross knows that healthcare is personal, needs to work for everyone,
and affordability matters, and that starts with shedding light on
the entire cost equation, from upstream costs to downstream premiums.
(08:23):
Want to learn more, visitmibluedaily dot com slash affordability
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