April 6, 2026 • 52 mins
In this episode of Missing Frames, Shawn and Sarah FINALLY dive into one of the biggest cultural phenomena in recent memory: Wicked (Part One). Coming in with surprisingly little knowledge of the musical, they explore whether the hype is justified. They unpack the emotional core of Elphaba and Glinda’s relationship, highlight unforgettable song and dance numbers (Jonathan Bailey FTW), and debate whether the decision to split the story into two films ultimately helps or hurts the experience. They also look ahead to Wicked: For Good, trying to make sense of the surprisingly mixed reactions from longtime fans and wondering what could possibly cause such a dramatic shift in reception.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm not on it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
If you're on it, go find the nerd Party there.
I'm sure you know how to do it. But we're
back again. It's me and my lovely wife, Sarah Eastridge,
joining me once again on the guest Mike. Hello, Sarah, Hello,
and what movie are we watching today?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Sarah?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We're watching Wicked.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Which is just in time for Easter.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Happy Easter, Happy Easter.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
There's no film more Easter centric than Wicked. The Wizard
of Oz has a kind of Easter vibe. I feel like,
you know, you could make an argument for that, so
we're just gonna go with that. But this is a
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film that is wildly successful and beloved and popular, and
neither of us have seen it, and we're talking about
seeing it for many moons.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
But what do you know about Wicked?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
What is your level of enthusiasm, excitement? How are you feeling?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm feeling good. I would say I know a lot
more about the Wicked press tour than I do the
movie because I was just so deeply invested in so much,
not even drama, but just it's Ariana Grande and Cynthia
A Rivo. Yeah right, so yeah, So how their relationship
(02:12):
paid like played out in the press was really fascinating
to me, and I kind of just like went down
a deep rabbit hole and I found that really interesting.
But I don't really know a lot about this movie.
I feel like I'm or we are the last two
people on earth to see it.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It reminds me remember Hamilton. That was a musical, wildly popular,
everyone loved it. We knew nothing going into it, and
we came out of that completely in love with that
film and that musical. And I'm wondering if this might
be a repeat of that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think I'm going to love it because it has
all of the It's like the formula is there for me,
like the great singing and the colors and the lights
and the cast, and I don't it just looks very
fun and beautiful. It looks beautiful. I mean, the trailers
are gorgeous. The clips I've seen are beautiful. I've I've
(03:12):
heard a lot of Obviously, you can't talk about Wicked
without what is it? Wicked for Good? The part two of.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, and we're just good. We'll do We'll do part
one for this episode. I think, unless we decide we
do that. Sometimes I remember we did The Godfather and
it was like, we'll just do the whole trilogy. So
right now, as we're recording this before viewing portion of
the episode, we're planning on only watching part one because
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we have a five year old. We don't have time
to sit down and watch five hours worth of a
movie and we're sitting in and talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, you just woke up.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We don't know what day it is, what time it is,
So just part one and then we'll do another episode
for Wicked for Good.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, But and I well, I hear varying things, I
guess is what I was going to say, Whereas I
think it's pretty universal that everyone is quite obsessed with
the first installments, and then I've heard a lot of
differing views on the second, so I'm very curious to
see what I think on that. But I think as
far as just the first movie goes, what do I
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know about it? Not much, but it does look really good.
I don't really know much about the play or the book. Yeah,
I don't know which it's Honestly, I don't know a lot.
I'm like, I don't know. I think it's based off
the Broadway play or the.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Book I've heard is actually much more adult oriented, like
it's much darker, deals with more intense themes, whereas the
musical kind of went the family friendly vibe to make
sure everyone could pay for a ticket and come see it.
And I think the film is based directly on the
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musical because the musical really I don't know. I know
the book was relatively popular, but I know the musical
is where it's at, Like that's what people are thinking about.
Just like with Alexander Hamilton, people think he's okay, but
play that's on a whole other level of amazing. So
I think this is a similar situation where it's it's
based heavily on the.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Play versus the novel, and I don't know. Like again,
I know it is the prequel to Wizard of Oz.
I know it's about the relationship between the Wicked, which
of the Beast.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Which of the West right and Glynna their sisters or
adopted sisters.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Again, I really I don't know a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
That's all I know. And that you know it's about
kind of how.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
She becomes evil or whatever. That's really all I know too.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Even in this I feel like I mean, and again
we keep saying I don't know, I don't know. I
don't get the vibe like you said, where maybe the
source material is a bit darker or well no, no,
I guess that's the book is a little darker. I
get the vibe that the play and then the subsequent
movie that it's loosely or you know, based off of
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it's not it doesn't fully commit. Maybe that's the that's
the vibe I get, Like, I have not seen anything
that makes me think that you leave Wicked or even
part two being like, oh I really hated her like,
you know what I mean, I think there's maybe some
redemption stuff and I'm curious to see what direction they
go in.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, I And speaking of the differences between part one
and part two, I think maybe part of why people
didn't like it's just so weird because it's fans of
Wicked who didn't like Part two, Yeah, who were the
most outspoken about not liking Part two, which baffles me
because I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Didn't you know what happened?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
What makes like, what shocked you, like, what changed your mind?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
If you're a fan of the play, why wouldn't you know?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But I mean, in some ways, I'm actually weirdly or
excited to watch part two because I'm so baffled.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
That the reaction was so it skewed so negative.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But what was great about this first part is I
was kind of like, not disinterested, but it wasn't on
my radar. But then you know, reviews came out and
they were incredibly positive. But people I knew who were
big film snobs or not even necessarily musical.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
People were like, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Like I went into it not caring and I loved it,
and that kind of I was like, oh wow, this
must be really good, and that sort of got me
excited for it.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
But I'm kind of hoping for the best with this
first part.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I'm wondering will it feel like a complete movie or
is it going to feel like very much a part
one of two, because it felt as if people really
enjoy this on its own terms, and that it could
be enjoyed on its own terms.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So even on the at the box office did wasn't
there a pretty big drop from the second and I
was like insane.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, Critically, fan reaction on every level. This first part
is like everyone's like, it's amazing, and then the second
part everyone was kind.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Of like, so interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, so it is kind of like I think I
want to go against the pray. Yeah, I'm just seeing.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I'm very very curious. Yeah, we'll see, We're.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I'm I am excited to see this and partly just
to know what all the fuss is about, to just
finally get it out. There are a couple of people
who I think were kind of like, it's it's okay,
it's all right. But for the most part, the reaction,
especially to this first part was glowing, and from people
who like preface their reviews to me, as like, I'm
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not a musical person, and I thought this was amazing,
So I'm like, wow, i am a musical person, and
I so I'm hoping for the best.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. And then I'm just very
curious what Part two will be.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And I know we're saying we're not gonna do part
two in this episode, but like, I just feel like
I'm just very very curious.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
But yeah, so plot wise, I kind of that's my guest.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Or I know it is about that relationship, but I
don't know anything. I know it's like a kind of
maybe a fall from Grace story or like you know,
talking about the Godfather, like a Michael Corleone, like how
she goes from being a decent person to being treated
terribly and it makes her evil or whatever, and this
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friendship or love these two characters have for each other
will be the central piece of it that I don't
know anything anything, but I'm excited me too. All Right, Well,
let's do it. Okay, the best way to celebrate Easter.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So we'll be back. We'll be back to let everyone
know what we thought. Now available to own non video cassette.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
All right, we're back. How how wicked do you feel?
Are you filled with the wicked spirit?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
This easter? This this fine easter holiday?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I am. I had the best time one. Yeah, I
like from start to finish, I loved it.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I loved it. I loved it. It was great. Yeah,
I was very, very impressed.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And also I will say, I feel like I am
already feeling like, just getting through this first part. I
don't know how to fully I don't know how to
fully react to it until I see part two.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yes, because it obviously ends and you're like, now, okay,
now what Like I'm ready, let's go. Let's get into
this the meat of the conflict.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And we talked about it a little bit in part
one where we were saying what happened that made fans
so disappointed?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
In part two?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, and we'll try to save that for when we
talk about Wicked for good, which will happen. But I
really loved this. I thought it was fantastic. It gave
me everything I wanted from a musical. It was joyous,
it was fun, it was colorful. The music numbers were great,
the choreography was great. I always I don't watch I'm
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trying to think of like the modern musicals I've seen,
Like we talked about Hamilton, but that's that was a
filmed The Broadway production was not designed as a cinematic experience,
and I feel like John Chu, the director and the
team who was involved with this creatively took advantage of
using like cinematic technique and cinematic storytelling and were able
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to kind of say, like, this is going to be
wholly unique to the cinema going experience, where if you
go to the play, you're going to get something different.
But they weren't like beholden to the play in the
sense that it felt staged or stiff, like there wasn't
any life to it. It felt very like things like
the library dance scene, that whole musical number where there's
like the spinning and everyone is running around and the
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camera is like going every which direction. I felt very
much like this is a full embrace of what this
medium is capable of, but also a celebration of what
great musicals can be. So I think that impressed me
because I don't I'm trying to think of a modern example.
I know you liked The Greatest Showmen, right, I haven't
seen that, but.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
This is on I love that movie. This is on
a whole nother levels in terms of dancing and singing
and like just the this is very grand But yeah,
I agree, I think it feel it felt like a
love letter to Broadway, but in a film form like
it was just very It was like whimsical but without
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being super cheesy.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yes enough, but I want cheese. I want that kind
of like it didn't go. It wasn't like it was
completely cheesy or corny or ridiculous or campy, but it
winked like it.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Was winking at the audience.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
There was great humor that it was in the performances,
which I wasn't really expecting.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think Ariada Grande.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And cynthiarevo Yes, both of.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Them are so self serious in real life. It was
kind of a turn off for me for the two
of them. I was like, am I going to enjoy
them in this movie? They kind of annoy me as celebrity.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, it's funny because let me just interdict real quick
on that the press tour that everyone's been talking about.
You know, like there's just a lot of stuff that's
like okay, that to me is very interesting because it
hasn't it's not necessarily how they have been in real life.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Press tour was really fascinating because it was like, like
you said, it's like, if that was your glimpse into
those two people, I don't even know if that is
a total accurate reflection of like at least how they've
been in the past. Yeah, and then Ariana Grande. Of course,
it's just been a bona fide pop star. You know,
a completely different persona if you will. And I think
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the first thing I said to you after her opening
number was I knew she was a soprano. I did
not know she could sting. She got the pipes sat
because she hits high notes in her pop music. But
her pop music is very breathy and stylized, and obviously
this is stylized too, but it's just completely different music.
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And you can hear she retrained her voice completely. Yeah,
and she knocked it out of the park. Cynthia Revo.
I already knew she was incredible because I followed her
Broadway career. I've followed her movies, like I've heard her sing.
She exceeded my expectations, but I knew what I was getting.
But with Ariana Grande, I was like.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Oh my god, this is kind of her first big performance.
I mean not in terms of musical but in terms
of acting. She hadn't done much acting before this.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
As far as I don't know, we'd have to look
at it, but I don't think on this scale. I
think this is her very big movie I was reading.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I mean, she really really wanted the role, and she
really pushed for it, and she even said a one
of I think popular was a song that they were
going to kind of contemporize and make like, oh, well,
kind of fit your genre, and she was like, that's
not Glinda Yea, So no, you're not going to do
that for me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'm Glinda. I'm going to do it like Glinda would.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Which is great, and I think she really was committed
to the bit. But I don't know anything about her.
I don't know anything about Cynthia Orrivo, so all I
had known about them came from the kind of notorious
press tours where they'd kind of frankly come across as
a little insufferable and self absorbed. I just remember Cynthia
Rivo reacting to that fan art poster, Yeah, and just like,
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how's just how pompous you had to be to react
to a fan's genuine expression and attempt to engage in
this world that they love.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think I think she probably felt a little silly.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I should clarify if if somebody listens, like what are
they talking about? It was somebody had done a fan
art of Cynthia. They designed it, designed it like the
famous poster where the hat, the brim of the hat
comes over the eyes the witch's hat, and Cynthia Eva
went on a tirade on Twitter where she was like, oh,
my eyes are my most defining feature.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
How it was like the eyes.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Or eyes, yes, but she was treating it as if
like it was this person had flat out insulted them,
like insulted her or like was malicious in.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
What they were doing.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And it was just like and people I think went
after I don't know if they went after the artist,
but it was so pronounced that the artist had to
respond right, like wasn't there like something.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Artist was an artist? I think it was a fan
Like I could be wrong, so like caveat, I'm positive,
look for yourself please, But I will say I think
I would think she probably later had on her pillow
and was like, ah, that should have been in the group.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Chat have to have a disconnect from reality to react
to a fan.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I think she did say I shouldn't have said that
on the internet, like I do think she came back
and like, you know, I think there's just this there.
These are artists that take things very seriously, and that
is amazing in the sense that we get we get
the payoff of their incredibly hard work and passion. The
flip side is that you can have situations like these
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and the press Stoor is kind of muddled with like
some silliness and some awkwardness and then some of this stuff.
So it's just kind of like it was interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I think that. So what impressed me the most is
that both of them.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Are incredible in the movie. And not only that, but
you know.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Like I said, it doesn't take itself too seriously I'd
expected because of their personas, like they were like we're
in this musical indenda. But they're both very fun and
silly and willing to laugh at each other and themselves,
and so they have great chemistry. Yeah, there's a loose Yeah,
they there's a looseness to the film that I think
sometimes the live performance has that stage performance and they're
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both picarly live performance of stage, but I mean like
stage cinematic performance because it's more contained because you're doing
the takes over and over again, you're not reacting to
a live audience.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It can feel a.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Little bit more sterile, and I didn't get that at
all from this. It's full of life and wonder. And
I also was almost expecting, maybe because of what I'd
seen in the trailers, for it to be very green
screen heavy, very artificial, and there is like there's green screen,
there's CGI, but for the most part, like these are
pretty like giant, massive sets and interactive sets that you know,
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you see the actors.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And I do believe that they did win the Oscar
for like I want to say, set besign, Yeah, and
costume design, which again, the costumes are incredible, Like you said,
the production design is incredible. It looked like a lot
of practical sets. Yeah, it just looked good.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
John Chu apparently he referenced Hook as an inspiration, and
Hook had some great sets.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
There are a couple other things, but he was he
was going for that old school, the Grand musicals, where
they did build those sets, and it wasn't allow the
CGI and you feel that, you feel like the actors
are in there and the way they interact with their
environments gives it that life, and the choreography gives it
that life too. Again, I think the way the camera
sometimes I could I feel like such a disconnect between
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the choreography in a film versus what you'll see like
in a live environment. But this is just the way
the camera moves and the way the shots play out.
Like it just felt like such a perfect marriage and
a great understanding of musical like the genre musical movement
and how a camera should capture that and how the
camera can play an active role in providing energy as
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the performers are providing that energy. So I was very
impressed by that as well.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, there's that scene that you talked about, the library
scene with Firo, like his big first number. But Jonathan Bailey's.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Understanding of who he was was exclusively from the interview
he did with David Quardy Sweat, because it's always about
Superman with me. So I watched that and I was
like that, Jonathan Bailey seems.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Like a nice guy man, He's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I kind of wanted the two of them to they
had such a good chemistry. In that interview, I was like,
Jonathan and David they should should do a musical together
and maybe they should make out Lerty.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
You know, he's just has like this really easy going,
flirty persona. But no, that that scene, I loved it
because a Jonathan Bailey, and he delivered. He's like flirting
with everyone. He's so good.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
He's so good Sexiest Man Alive and I got it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I was like, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You're nice when you can watch.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
A movie like Wicked that has all this hype and
fandom and you're like, god, I just want to stop
hearing about this.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
But then you can watch it and be like, oh okay.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But also the same thing for the Sexiest Man a
live award where you can watch this gentleman and say, like,
sexiest man Alive. There are a lot of men out
there is.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh, well, okay, I can you have.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I will give you lots of material to watch you need.
There's a season of heart Stopper he's in which he's great.
There is Oh Bridgerton, a whole season dedicated to him
and reliance and it's it's my favorite Bridgerton season. It's
so good. But Anyways, I digress. So, but that scene,
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just to like go back to what you're saying about
how it was filmed that part were like you say,
everything's spinning and there's that parkour guy that just goes
all the way through and the camera is following. Any
I don't see any cuts, And I'm not like, I'm
not like you, I miss cuts, But I did not
see any cuts. And I was so impressed by that.
I just thought it was it was incredible. I was like, Okay,
(21:47):
that is good camera work. That is good dancing, that
is good choreography. They're still singing, what the heck? This
is so good?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, and coming into this film not knowing anything about
the story, Yeah, it's so absorbing from the get go
because that creativity is there from the get go. But
what about the film and the story surprised you because
we didn't know anything about it going into it, Like
I think I said, I thought they the witches were
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sisters and they're not sisters. But what surprised you about
the film and the story since we didn't know anything,
what kind of threw you for a loop or was
unexpected or pleasantly surprised?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Like, how did you feel you know.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Not knowing much about it. I think I kind of
had a misconception, preconception that Alphaba was going to maybe
not be as sympathetic as a character from the get go.
I didn't realize we were going to fall in love
with her and see that she has a pure heart
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and that she is just different and had that struggle
which was so visceral and so painful times. And I
was like genuinely moved by that, and I didn't expect
I mean, I kind of knew, Okay, I'm going to
love both of them, because everyone who has seen this
movie loves both of them. It's not like, oh I
like her, but she's bad, you know. You know, I
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just it's like this movie kind of breaks your heart
a little bit because I'm scared about where it's going
to go, and he'll we get a you know, happy
ending or and I haven't been spoiled, which is great.
I'm really curious. But I just like I really fell
in love with her character. Yeah, I was so moved,
and you know, I think when I started crying during
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that dance scene, yes, Holy I think for me, that
is the standout scene, you know, where they're in the
OZ dusk ballroom and they're like under the water. It's
so beautiful, and you just she thinks she's finally made
a friend and she's accepted and she gets excited and
(23:58):
then she realizes she's the but of the joke, and
like I could almost not watch it. I was so
like I had the secondhand pain. I was like, well,
and I think we're all human. I think we've all
experienced a degree of that, but this was like really painful.
But because of all that, and like god, these women
can act with their eyeballs, okay, like it is insane.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That's why Cynthia was so mad. She was upset, how
dare you block my eyes on your fan art?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
But I think it made it made that emotional payoff,
like so good when Glinda comes up and starts mirroring
her dance movements. And I don't know, I think for me,
if I were to like describe this movie, I'd be like,
this is this, that was this embodies the whole film.
That's all you need to know to get every other
And it's.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Not even it's not a big song, you know, defying
gravity as the climactic moment at the end, which I
think everyone kind of walks out of the theater thinking
about that.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, but I think I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Was an exact sequence.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Is so beautifully done, and they're like, you know, it's
all performance. Yeah, it's silence, like they're not really nobody
is saying anything. She's not saying oh yeah, well you
guys like it's like you Cynthia's performance is so good
and that you get you sense her defiance and how
she's behaving where she's like I don't I don't even care.
(25:23):
She does care, but you get like she's like, I'm
not going to let this bring me down. And then
Ariana Grande Glinda sees her and recognizes her and is
willing to engage with her and basically be like, w'ere
I'm with you now. And it's I mean, it's beautifully done,
beautifully shot and beautifully performed, the great great moment.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, and I think I read somewhere that in the
in the play it's played a little more for laughs. Interesting,
and I think I read that summer So if that's wrong,
I'm sorry. I'm sure someone will tell us who's that.
But but I remember maybe not like huge comedic laughs,
but it was just more comedic or like they had
more comedic timing with the physicality of the dancing or
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something like that. But like whatever they did was just beautiful.
I mean, like what good direction and good writing and
like it was just I don't know. I just was like,
I know we moved on from that scene, but I
was still there for the rest of the movie, Like
I just kept feeling those feelings and it carried me
through to the end.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And for that that had to do. That scene had
to do so much, and that from that moment on
their friends, Yeah, there's no big moment as far as
like I guess what you would expect, the moment where
somebody becomes friends. And the first thing that popped into
my mind was Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, where
they have been butting heads with Hermione and then they
all find a troll together and then they're like, we're
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all friends. Like this is much more subtle and emotional
than that. So for that to have played out, and
if it was in the play more of a like oh,
it's funny and it's going to be silly and they're
still going to become friends. Like for them to like
really sit in that moment and let it play out
in a serious emotional way, really really great filmmaking.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So I I'm with you one hundred percent on that.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
But I think what I kind of was the same
as you, where I was not expecting.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
What's what's the Wicked Witch's name.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Alphaba alphaba, alphaba alphaba.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I was not expecting her to be such a grounded,
relatable character very and I almost am like, so Wicked
is really it really is a reinterpretation. It's not like
we're like, it's the the.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Real version of Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Like the Wizard of Oz the story is like, that's
the fairy tale you've heard, but this is what really happened.
Is now kind of the vibe I'm getting. And I
wasn't sure how directly this would tie in to Wizard
of Oz the like the story the film, because obviously,
you know, Wicked was made many many years after, written
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many many years.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
After the book and the film.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But I wasn't sure if this the play kind of
was like, yeah, we'll tie it more directly.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Into the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Visually, there's a lot of similarities, but you know, the
character in the film obviously is like like very Caaculie
and evil. So I'm like, oh, okay, so is this
like like the story you haven't heard? I guess we're
going in that direction. So that kind of that was
interesting to me because I'm right now like I'm like, well,
she's the only good person in this intent?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, like is that the.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm guessing that's the intention. But then it also it's
like I don't know how I feel about that, Like,
I you know, not that every well almost everyone else
is kind of like one note bad except for Jonathan Bailey,
and even Glinda is kind of like just she's.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
A little gray. She also just she's you know, for
as much as she acts like a leader in most
of the movies, she's a fault. She wants to be accepted, yes,
like she is desper for that you know, acceptance, and
she'll she'll blend it.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Wants to be popular.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
She wants to be popular, you know. But obviously she's
getting more layers in depth as the movie you know
goes in her relationship with Alpha ba blossoms. I think
it opens her eyes to a lot of stuff obviously,
but it isn't you know, because you think about it.
The movie opens in the Future and the Wicked Witch
of you know she's dead, but is she you know,
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so there's so many things in my head. I'm like,
is that real? And you know, Glinda has this very
like blase like, oh, yeah, she's dead.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I guess we're friends, yes, a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Is this going to be, like you said, like a
switch and she actually the bad one? Or is this
an act which I'm leaning more towards. I think it's
some sort of act and then she's protecting her or
something that's kind of where I.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
A moment like I don't know, there's a moment in
this film where Michelle Yo covers Alphaba and it's like, oh,
we don't want you to get wet, and it's like
the only reference to her.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Like there's like stuff in the beginning when they're like, oh,
the Wicked Witch.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Like waterness that yeah, but I it was almost so
understated that I was like, are they hinting at that?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Or like, is water.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
An actual because it's such a silly you know in
the movie. In the movie, it's just very silly, yeah
that that happens to be the thing that defeats her.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
And in this film, because it's more like.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Grounded and solemn in terms of like its emotional content.
It feels a little silly that it's like, is it
just going to be Dorothy throws a bucket of water
on this character? Right?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
So that's I thought that was interesting, but also.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Like I totally miss that.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, but I think that was maybe a.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Issue, like a flaw like it I don't know if
it was the intention or if it was the intention,
it was so understated that it's like should that have
been a little bit more pronounced and that kind of
you know, I don't know if I necessarily want to
go into this part of the conversation yet, but it's
kind of my big issue with the movie is that
it really is only half the story. And I think
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a lot of people coming into this are already fans
and know the whole story. But for us, I'm kind
of looking at this and the movie ends and I
feel sort of like I feel like we were just
getting started, and I think where the film ends is
where we're Part one ends, is where Act one ends
in the Broadway play, like that is the curtain drop
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moment after that performance, it's like boom and intermission and
you're like, wow, you know, I could see how the
energy like would carry you through intermission and then you
come into the second half of the story. But because
like because this is only one half of the film,
there's just stuff that's like set up that I don't
fully understand, Like the animals, I don't know enough. I
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don't remember in the film, the original like the Wizard
of Oz the film, I haven't read the book. I
don't remember there being such a big thing about like
animals talking, and now they're not going to talk. Mind
to be of like Narnia, Like like I am I
getting my fantasy stories confused, Like what is the point
of this? Why doesn't the Wizard want the animals to talk?
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What am I missing? And they don't really talk about
it much. They kind of hint at there's like this
big thing and the animals are all like there, we've
got to fight back and we've got to figure this out.
And then it's a part of the film and it
almost plays second fiddle to everything else going on between
the characters and their emotional relationships.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
But like that kind of confused me.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And I'm like, well, maybe this will play out in
part two, But nobody ever explained, like is there a
reason why we don't want animals to talk?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Is it because humans?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Because Oz is a human and is like humans are
going to rule and we're taking over this. Like they
never explain it, and I'm like, if that's going to
be in part two, great, But also like there wasn't
enough in part one for this to feel like its
own standalone story for me to understand what's going on.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I I feel like they only really addressed it
at the very end, and then obviously so much stuff other,
you know, happens, so you're kind kind of glaze over
it and you move past it. So I'm assuming they'll
get into it in the second part, but I don't know.
It's a good question. I mean, I'm I just assume that,
like with anything, it's like, oh, people or they don't
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have prejudice, Yes, they have prejudiced. They want to, you know,
get rid of things that make them money.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
That's my question is like, well, what is the land
of Oz? And again bringing it back to Narnia, and
Narnia was like, oh, the magical creatures live there and
the animals will talk, So it's like, okay, it seems
like here it's the same. The animals were here originally
they're all talking. Why are people suddenly not into that?
Like it's that's what I'm confused, not understanding the world
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building of OZ.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Like what is what is the context for this?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And again, I don't know if that'll be explained or
if it was just something that was kind of sort
of rushed over.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not feeling that.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Was I think that kind of it didn't argue like
it's not enough to be like, oh my god, that
ruined everything. But I was like, this is a little confusing,
and I think maybe the weaknesses I had, or the
problems I have with the film are strictly coming down
to like, well, what's going to happen like what happens
in part two, which is kind of like, I think
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an argument for us doing both of them in one episode.
But I think, because it's its own film, let's judge
it as that and then watch wa good for Good
and judge that one on its own terms.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
But I there's a.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Part of me already that feels like this could have
been one movie. Probably there was a lot of I
was reading about the production and like, oh, we need
to displait.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
It because we didn't want to cut.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
We thought if we didn't make it two movies, we'd
have to cut so much and it would ruin the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
And I'm kind of like maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But the film, this first part is two hours forty
plus minutes. It's long, but it we were talking about it.
The pacing is pretty solid. It doesn't really It's never boring.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I didn't feel the length much, no.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
But I started to feel it. I think when they
get to Emerald City and Oz, Yeah, that's where I
started to feel it, because we've kind of established this world,
We've established the school, the characters there, the dynamic and
the relationship, and then when they go to Emerald City,
it's like, and now we're gonna tell a whole different
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Like now we're going to start a whole new story.
And then suddenly it's like Oz isn't really magical and
we've been training l a alpha bum. Sorry, I'm sorry,
Please don't yell at me on Twitter, Cynthia, But like
it just felt like there's a lot of information happening
in this final quarter of the film that is like
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all set up for the second part, and I think
that kind of it makes sense, but it felt to
me like that's where I started to feel the leaf
a little bit and was like, where is this going?
I really am interested to see what happens in part two,
And but I don't know, how did you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Did you feel any of that? Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I just like I was really engaged the whole time.
I think, so I I kind of have to wait
and see what part it feels like to make that decision.
I think, but based on just part one, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I'm excited to feel it too.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, I didn't really and I'm working. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Well, it's also like I don't know what they're setting
like again with with Cynthia sorry Aba, with her being
like suddenly like the wizard is It's just like such
a sudden switch where she's like I'm going off on
my own and I'm the wicked witch and.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
They've created her or they've turned her into the face
of evil.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
It just felt so quick. It felt so quick, like
they set her up for that. Yeah, and there's a
part of me that feels like the mysterious stranger who
is feeding the green elixir to her mother is ash Yeah,
and created her because he wanted a magical creature that
he could manipulate. I just felt like, this is a
lot of information and suddenly it's the end of the movie.
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And not only that, it was like the movie was
almost taken out of Alphaba and Glinda's hands, like they
were kind of just participants. And you know, I loved
the like the scene between them, I love defying gravity,
that whole sequence of them, But it felt like the
movie was like, this is the climactic moment of this film,
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and it felt.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Like it's just a setup for part two.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't know, I'm trying to explain it, but I
think maybe that's it. It just felt a little bit
like this is really going to hinge on, Like what
is the rest of this story for me?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, I think you're right. I do wonder if, like
we had a different experience of having to wait like
a year between movies, if maybe that's part of the
issue of these people coming back a year later and
watching it versus just like watching it as it's intended
to back. So I am curious about that. But yeah,
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I mean, like I said, I I was cool with it.
I don't really feel like it was missing anything or
went too long, or you know, but let's see what
part two feels like first, to like, really see if
my thoughts remain the same.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's hard to judge this movie.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
It is.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
It's a good movie.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's part one of two. It's complete.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
You know, you need the whole thing. But I did
want to ask you because it wasn't completely clear to me,
and maybe I need to rewatch. I don't think know
if I missed any signals. But in before the Defying
Gravity you know song, but on the balcony, right, is
Glinda going to go with her or not? Because I
feel like she is and she gets pulled away, but
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she seems like she was kind of waffling where she's like, oh,
but you're cold, let me get you a cloak. She
doesn't like answer. Did you get the sense of her?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I bet she did know what she wanted to do. Yeah,
and she but she loved like I think she decided
like I can't. And that's again where it becomes really complex,
and there was a lot of stuff happening. I think
that's part of the problem, honestly, with the this whole
finale of the film and the fact that it's not
a conclusion.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
It just felt like, oh.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Oz is bad, but why why is Glinda okay with
him being bad? What exactly is going on with the
animals that it's like he's so evil he wants to
stop the animals from talking.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Like I was like, well they know something.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, But I'm like, is it like she now knows
Alphaba knows that he is not magical.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Everyone in that room knows that he is not magical.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
But to me, it was like, why wouldn't Glinda be like,
oh my god, everything I knew was a lie.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Of course they'll come with you.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
It feels weird that she would then be like, I'm
just gonna and maybe that's her She's.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
A people pleaser. Yeah, so I think that played a
big part of it. But I also think you're describing
a cliffhanger, which is, yeah, maybe I.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Don't like that.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Halfway Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
This is the halfway point of the story. So it's
like that the movie ends, you know, So I'm like
complaining about things that maybe will get well I assume
will get resolved in part two. But it's why I'm
kind of like, should this have just been a single movie?
Which brings us to our next point, which is Wicked
for Good. When the film was released, I think there
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was an assumption like, this is gonna be amazing. Everyone's
gonna love it, all the bands, Yeah, everyone was so
excited for it, and the immediate reaction coming out of
it of people you knew, people I knew who love yeah,
which I'm like, how are you disappointed?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
If you're a fan of the play?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Baffled?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
What happened that changed your opinion so dramatically that you
decided like this thing that you already knew the story of,
You already knew the story. What what did this movie
do that upset you so much? Yeah? Because your friend
Emily was genuinely like, oh I didn't like it at all,
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And it's like, I'm just so baffled. I'm like, it's
the same thing as if people who read Harry Potter
and The Deathly Hallows loved the book and then went
into part two and they were like, oh, part two sucked.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
It's like, well, what did you think was gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, And I had a few people that saw it
that loved the first one that felt let down. But
that's all I got because I was like, well, I
don't want to get spoiled, so like, don't tell me anything,
but I'm I'm really curious. I think the one thing
that we both know that we've talked about is maybe
the music isn't as strong and people.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Maybe that's I think that's part of it. There are
a couple of songs they wrote for the movie exclusively
because they realized we don't have enough music, and I
think what I've heard. I talked with Richie about it,
because Richie saw it, and Richie Richie enjoyed it, but
he said he thinks it's because of like, well, the
first one is a little bit more well rounded, like
there's fun stuff and there's serious stuff, and this one
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is like very dark.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, depressing.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I can see that.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I mean, and you know, honestly, again, maybe when we
come back and do Wicked for Good, it will be
just like this should have just.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Been one movie.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
This should have been one movie because I'm so curious
to see how I will feel. I hope I'm in
the minority and I love it.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, you know, the reviews, the critic reviews were pretty mixed,
and then the fan reaction was kind of mixed too,
But the movie made decent money. It didn't make as much.
It didn't do as well as the first one, but
it still made a profit. Honestly, any money, I think
because they filmed these back to back, I think any
money is.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
A profit after the first one.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, yeah, so that I think was the primary motivator
for splitting it into two parts, was to try to
make more money. But I am just so curious because
I genuinely as a fan of this first film, I'm like,
where is this going?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Like what happens?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And then I'm just so curious about like also what
made it so upsetting to people who already love this story.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
And you know what I'm excited about, because you know,
I love Fiarro, Yes, is that he very clearly like
he heard the news about Alphaba being like the big
bad and he'd gotten his horse and he lived, and
you know he's going to her. And I'm like, yes,
because I want to see that, Like that is.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Like my that was a really sweet unrequited love.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah thing too, which also, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Had a little love triangle without it feeling icky. It
was just very like organic, And you know, I think
I'm really curious to see how that flushes out. I
think it's going to be a bigger part of the story.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
So yeah, I mean, I hope, Yeah, I don't. I hope.
I'm like wishful thinking because I just want more Jonathan
Bailey on my screen. But the fact that he was
just like, yeah, I'm out, like I'm gonna go see her,
It's like in his character arc has been great.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Well, yeah, from what we've seen of it, half the
first half of it is really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I know, I'm like, please keep going that direction. Yeah,
but yeah, I mean I think it's going to be darker.
I think we know there's maybe less power ballads or something,
you know people, so maybe that's an insane I am
okay with it being darker. That does not mean anything
negative to me. Like, if it's done, well, I'm good.
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Uh so, I am really really curious. Yeah, I'm so
glad we're gonna Why did we wait so long? My goodness,
we are obviously I'm glad that I'm psychotic. And I
was like, yeah, you need to get this for me
for Christmas, the four K Steel book whatever, And then
I also got the double vinyl and I've never I.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Was like, speaking of which one of your favorite songs?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Oh gosh, I mean defying gravity. I guess yeah. It's
hard to like look away from that popular. I feel
like I'm choosing all Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
The Wizard and I was really good.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
That was the one where she's singing about yeah, like
going to see the Wizard and.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Oh yeah, that's really good. I don't know the names
of the song.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I just read that one.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Fierro's intro song is wonderful. The Library that.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
That was probably one of my favorites, if not my favorite,
just the choreography with the spinning library books.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I also really loved the choreography and the musical number
between I can't remember his name, but Alphaba's sister who's
in the wheelchair, and the little dance number they do
what is it bo? I think he's the munchkin. I
can't remember his name.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
And you said he's married to Ariana.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
He's dating dating, they're dating. Good for them, but I
can't I can't remember the name of that song. I
gotta look at well, I gotta go get my vinyl records.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
And the song the Feeling like when they hate each other,
the song each Other that.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Was really good too.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
It's honestly kind of hard to pick a favorite. It's
a really and maybe again maybe that's why we're like, oh,
it's a perfect score.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Oh and we got a great cameo from Adel Dezime.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
It was Adana Menzel and who is the other one?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Your original Broadway?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, and they got a whole little sequence which was
really love.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
That is something I said to you after the movie.
I said, Wow, I'm so glad they didn't just give
them kind of like a throwaway cameo, but they put
the spotlight on these ladies who pioneered these roles and
like did it.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
So that was really cool.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, I thought that was that was so great. And
then playing off each I mean, it was just perfect.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I feel like we should, like, unceremoniously just stop this conversation,
like just have it awkwardly cut off, and they'll say
to be continued, because that's I feel like what.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
This film did to me, and so I want to
make my audience.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Suffer super happy with But I.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Feel like, honestly, maybe this is I mean, in this
day and age, that's something that's almost a given. Now
there's so many part ones and part two. I deathly
hallows a pass because I'm a massive Harry Potter fan,
and that felt like a generational like, Yeah, let's extend
this a little bit longer.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Let's extend the ending a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
But I don't think I've enjoyed many other like mocking
Ja Part one and two. Well, Breaking Dawn Part two
was pretty fantastic, just for the climactic finale that wasn't
in the book.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
What else.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I feel like there's just a lot of part ones
in part two. So I feel like in some ways.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I'm it is kind of the standard.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, I kind of am used to it, but also
I just when it bring, when it potentially brings down
the story as a whole, is what my concern is,
and that I feel.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Like you are concerned about something that has not happened yet.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
We don't know, We don't know, but I'm speaking on
behalf of the people who love it who aren't necessarily
like they were.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Like, I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I'm like it might be because these two parts should
be a single story.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, if you treat it as like an intermission and
you pop the next disc in, does it make a
mental disc I.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Feel for you to have an advantage there, Like, I
really do think like it's gonna be easier for us, Like.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
I said, waiting a year, year and a half or
whatever between films.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
That's kind of hard to go into a movie theater
and if the movie's depressing, like yeah, let's go, We're
going to celebrate, and then it's like, all right, that
was sad, let's go.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
You know, it's different than if you got to have
both of them in one go. So I am genuinely
excited for part two. I really enjoyed this. I thought
it was great. Definitely. It's so funny because I remember
when it came out and it got such accolades and
was getting nominated, nominated for so much. I was just
so shocked because I was like, I just was not
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on my radar. I'm just you know, it was very
surprising and interesting to see that everyone kind of embraced it.
So I think that's completely understandable now and very curious
to see why nobody embraced We Can for Good, which
got completely shut out of the Oscars.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah. Everything, it's just like a completely opposite experience.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And I think something, I feel like we're going to
go feel like I liked it more than the first part.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And it's going to be a weird conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
But anything else, anything else, we're missing anything?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Uh, any highlights or low points for you.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I think it kind of already touched on all that points.
Low points. No. I mean, like maybe I'll have a
more critical eye on future viewings, but for now, I'm
kind of feeling high of how joyous and beautiful this
movie was, and like you can, I mean, every actor
brought their a game, This is cast so incredibly well,
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like there's no.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Everything about it is great.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, It's just it was like visually stunning and beautiful
and it moved me. And those are the movies that
you know, I remember that. They're the ones that really
make you feel, like Nicole Kidman says, this is why,
But no, I I do. I think my little low
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point is not being like on the hype train to
go see this in theaters and be a part of
like the cultural phenomenon that it was at that time.
I'm a little bummed. I am a total fangirl for
lots of different things, and I'm kind of I don't
know why I'm missed out on this one. I'm sure we.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Did it with Hamilton too, where everyone was over Hamilton
and we were.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Like, guys, if you learned of Hamilton, it's amazing. So
we could do the same thing with Wicked.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Now, I think, yeah, that's why it'll just be our thing.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, see see Superman in theaters five times. Don't see Wicked.
And then two years later start talking about Wicked.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
We're gonna we're going to bring back the hype for
Wicked and maybe for Wicked for good.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, we're going to be the apologetics that raise its
pedigree to another level. And as the misunderstood, it's going
to be the Godfather part two of musicals about the
Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
You know, I will like And maybe it's because they're
both musicals. But I haven't felt this like giddy doing
this podcast with like since Hamilton. That was the last
time I was like, Hamilton was so good.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
But it was also like neither of us have seen
it neither.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
It was fun to experience.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
I feel the same way here. That was so much fun.
Like I loved laughing with you and crying and like
just it was a really like fun experience And I'm
glad we got to do this.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
It's really good. So what's our rating system? How many
pointy hats? How many gravity's are we defying?
Speaker 1 (51:25):
I mean, whatever we're doing. For me, it's five stars,
hands down.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
I will give it four because it is there's no conclusion,
so I can't give it the I'm rolling.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
To give it that perfect five, but four. I still think.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Maybe you will go back and change your score.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I'm curious after I watch part two, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
I am very excited to see what we think of that.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
And we'll probably have to do an episode soon because
I would rather do that sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Oh yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
That's that's all. That's it great. Go see it if
you I don't know if you've heard of it. It's
very very popular. Now that we have seen it and
can give it our seal.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Of approval, we know you've been waiting, so go check
it out.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
And Sarah, thank you for being a part of this
wonderful experience, and thank you everybody for listening. Find me
on Twitter at y shondor Man. I'm also on Instagram
Shondorman and on letterbox at shondorman or five. Thank you
again for all your support and we will see you
at the movie.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
It is our le
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Missing Frames. This
is the podcast where we watch all of the movies
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I'm your host, Sean Eastridge. We're hanging out on the
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know how Blue Sky works.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm not on it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
If you're on it, go find the nerd Party there.
I'm sure you know how to do it. But we're
back again. It's me and my lovely wife, Sarah Eastridge,
joining me once again on the guest Mike. Hello, Sarah, Hello,
and what movie are we watching today?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Sarah?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We're watching Wicked.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Which is just in time for Easter.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Happy Easter, Happy Easter.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
There's no film more Easter centric than Wicked. The Wizard
of Oz has a kind of Easter vibe. I feel like,
you know, you could make an argument for that, so
we're just gonna go with that. But this is a
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film that is wildly successful and beloved and popular, and
neither of us have seen it, and we're talking about
seeing it for many moons.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
But what do you know about Wicked?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
What is your level of enthusiasm, excitement? How are you feeling?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm feeling good. I would say I know a lot
more about the Wicked press tour than I do the
movie because I was just so deeply invested in so much,
not even drama, but just it's Ariana Grande and Cynthia
A Rivo. Yeah right, so yeah, So how their relationship
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paid like played out in the press was really fascinating
to me, and I kind of just like went down
a deep rabbit hole and I found that really interesting.
But I don't really know a lot about this movie.
I feel like I'm or we are the last two
people on earth to see it.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It reminds me remember Hamilton. That was a musical, wildly popular,
everyone loved it. We knew nothing going into it, and
we came out of that completely in love with that
film and that musical. And I'm wondering if this might
be a repeat of that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think I'm going to love it because it has
all of the It's like the formula is there for me,
like the great singing and the colors and the lights
and the cast, and I don't it just looks very
fun and beautiful. It looks beautiful. I mean, the trailers
are gorgeous. The clips I've seen are beautiful. I've I've
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heard a lot of Obviously, you can't talk about Wicked
without what is it? Wicked for Good? The part two of.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, and we're just good. We'll do We'll do part
one for this episode. I think, unless we decide we
do that. Sometimes I remember we did The Godfather and
it was like, we'll just do the whole trilogy. So
right now, as we're recording this before viewing portion of
the episode, we're planning on only watching part one because
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we have a five year old. We don't have time
to sit down and watch five hours worth of a
movie and we're sitting in and talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, you just woke up.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We don't know what day it is, what time it is,
So just part one and then we'll do another episode
for Wicked for Good.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, But and I well, I hear varying things, I
guess is what I was going to say, Whereas I
think it's pretty universal that everyone is quite obsessed with
the first installments, and then I've heard a lot of
differing views on the second, so I'm very curious to
see what I think on that. But I think as
far as just the first movie goes, what do I
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know about it? Not much, but it does look really good.
I don't really know much about the play or the book. Yeah,
I don't know which it's Honestly, I don't know a lot.
I'm like, I don't know. I think it's based off
the Broadway play or the.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Book I've heard is actually much more adult oriented, like
it's much darker, deals with more intense themes, whereas the
musical kind of went the family friendly vibe to make
sure everyone could pay for a ticket and come see it.
And I think the film is based directly on the
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musical because the musical really I don't know. I know
the book was relatively popular, but I know the musical
is where it's at, Like that's what people are thinking about.
Just like with Alexander Hamilton, people think he's okay, but
play that's on a whole other level of amazing. So
I think this is a similar situation where it's it's
based heavily on the.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Play versus the novel, and I don't know. Like again,
I know it is the prequel to Wizard of Oz.
I know it's about the relationship between the Wicked, which
of the Beast.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Which of the West right and Glynna their sisters or
adopted sisters.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Again, I really I don't know a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
That's all I know. And that you know it's about
kind of how.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
She becomes evil or whatever. That's really all I know too.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Even in this I feel like I mean, and again
we keep saying I don't know, I don't know. I
don't get the vibe like you said, where maybe the
source material is a bit darker or well no, no,
I guess that's the book is a little darker. I
get the vibe that the play and then the subsequent
movie that it's loosely or you know, based off of
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it's not it doesn't fully commit. Maybe that's the that's
the vibe I get, Like, I have not seen anything
that makes me think that you leave Wicked or even
part two being like, oh I really hated her like,
you know what I mean, I think there's maybe some
redemption stuff and I'm curious to see what direction they
go in.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, I And speaking of the differences between part one
and part two, I think maybe part of why people
didn't like it's just so weird because it's fans of
Wicked who didn't like Part two, Yeah, who were the
most outspoken about not liking Part two, which baffles me
because I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Didn't you know what happened?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
What makes like, what shocked you, like, what changed your mind?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
If you're a fan of the play, why wouldn't you know?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But I mean, in some ways, I'm actually weirdly or
excited to watch part two because I'm so baffled.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
That the reaction was so it skewed so negative.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But what was great about this first part is I
was kind of like, not disinterested, but it wasn't on
my radar. But then you know, reviews came out and
they were incredibly positive. But people I knew who were
big film snobs or not even necessarily musical.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
People were like, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Like I went into it not caring and I loved it,
and that kind of I was like, oh wow, this
must be really good, and that sort of got me
excited for it.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
But I'm kind of hoping for the best with this
first part.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I'm wondering will it feel like a complete movie or
is it going to feel like very much a part
one of two, because it felt as if people really
enjoy this on its own terms, and that it could
be enjoyed on its own terms.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So even on the at the box office did wasn't
there a pretty big drop from the second and I
was like insane.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, Critically, fan reaction on every level. This first part
is like everyone's like, it's amazing, and then the second
part everyone was kind.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Of like, so interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, so it is kind of like I think I
want to go against the pray. Yeah, I'm just seeing.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I'm very very curious. Yeah, we'll see, We're.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I'm I am excited to see this and partly just
to know what all the fuss is about, to just
finally get it out. There are a couple of people
who I think were kind of like, it's it's okay,
it's all right. But for the most part, the reaction,
especially to this first part was glowing, and from people
who like preface their reviews to me, as like, I'm
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not a musical person, and I thought this was amazing,
So I'm like, wow, i am a musical person, and
I so I'm hoping for the best.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. And then I'm just very
curious what Part two will be.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And I know we're saying we're not gonna do part
two in this episode, but like, I just feel like
I'm just very very curious.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
But yeah, so plot wise, I kind of that's my guest.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Or I know it is about that relationship, but I
don't know anything. I know it's like a kind of
maybe a fall from Grace story or like you know,
talking about the Godfather, like a Michael Corleone, like how
she goes from being a decent person to being treated
terribly and it makes her evil or whatever, and this
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friendship or love these two characters have for each other
will be the central piece of it that I don't
know anything anything, but I'm excited me too. All Right, Well,
let's do it. Okay, the best way to celebrate Easter.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So we'll be back. We'll be back to let everyone
know what we thought. Now available to own non video cassette.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
All right, we're back. How how wicked do you feel?
Are you filled with the wicked spirit?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
This easter? This this fine easter holiday?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I am. I had the best time one. Yeah, I
like from start to finish, I loved it.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I loved it. I loved it. It was great. Yeah,
I was very, very impressed.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And also I will say, I feel like I am
already feeling like, just getting through this first part. I
don't know how to fully I don't know how to
fully react to it until I see part two.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yes, because it obviously ends and you're like, now, okay,
now what Like I'm ready, let's go. Let's get into
this the meat of the conflict.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And we talked about it a little bit in part
one where we were saying what happened that made fans
so disappointed?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
In part two?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, and we'll try to save that for when we
talk about Wicked for good, which will happen. But I
really loved this. I thought it was fantastic. It gave
me everything I wanted from a musical. It was joyous,
it was fun, it was colorful. The music numbers were great,
the choreography was great. I always I don't watch I'm
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trying to think of like the modern musicals I've seen,
Like we talked about Hamilton, but that's that was a
filmed The Broadway production was not designed as a cinematic experience,
and I feel like John Chu, the director and the
team who was involved with this creatively took advantage of
using like cinematic technique and cinematic storytelling and were able
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to kind of say, like, this is going to be
wholly unique to the cinema going experience, where if you
go to the play, you're going to get something different.
But they weren't like beholden to the play in the
sense that it felt staged or stiff, like there wasn't
any life to it. It felt very like things like
the library dance scene, that whole musical number where there's
like the spinning and everyone is running around and the
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camera is like going every which direction. I felt very
much like this is a full embrace of what this
medium is capable of, but also a celebration of what
great musicals can be. So I think that impressed me
because I don't I'm trying to think of a modern example.
I know you liked The Greatest Showmen, right, I haven't
seen that, but.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
This is on I love that movie. This is on
a whole nother levels in terms of dancing and singing
and like just the this is very grand But yeah,
I agree, I think it feel it felt like a
love letter to Broadway, but in a film form like
it was just very It was like whimsical but without
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being super cheesy.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yes enough, but I want cheese. I want that kind
of like it didn't go. It wasn't like it was
completely cheesy or corny or ridiculous or campy, but it
winked like it.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Was winking at the audience.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
There was great humor that it was in the performances,
which I wasn't really expecting.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think Ariada Grande.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And cynthiarevo Yes, both of.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Them are so self serious in real life. It was
kind of a turn off for me for the two
of them. I was like, am I going to enjoy
them in this movie? They kind of annoy me as celebrity.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, it's funny because let me just interdict real quick
on that the press tour that everyone's been talking about.
You know, like there's just a lot of stuff that's
like okay, that to me is very interesting because it
hasn't it's not necessarily how they have been in real life.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Press tour was really fascinating because it was like, like
you said, it's like, if that was your glimpse into
those two people, I don't even know if that is
a total accurate reflection of like at least how they've
been in the past. Yeah, and then Ariana Grande. Of course,
it's just been a bona fide pop star. You know,
a completely different persona if you will. And I think
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the first thing I said to you after her opening
number was I knew she was a soprano. I did
not know she could sting. She got the pipes sat
because she hits high notes in her pop music. But
her pop music is very breathy and stylized, and obviously
this is stylized too, but it's just completely different music.
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And you can hear she retrained her voice completely. Yeah,
and she knocked it out of the park. Cynthia Revo.
I already knew she was incredible because I followed her
Broadway career. I've followed her movies, like I've heard her sing.
She exceeded my expectations, but I knew what I was getting.
But with Ariana Grande, I was like.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Oh my god, this is kind of her first big performance.
I mean not in terms of musical but in terms
of acting. She hadn't done much acting before this.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
As far as I don't know, we'd have to look
at it, but I don't think on this scale. I
think this is her very big movie I was reading.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I mean, she really really wanted the role, and she
really pushed for it, and she even said a one
of I think popular was a song that they were
going to kind of contemporize and make like, oh, well,
kind of fit your genre, and she was like, that's
not Glinda Yea, So no, you're not going to do
that for me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'm Glinda. I'm going to do it like Glinda would.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Which is great, and I think she really was committed
to the bit. But I don't know anything about her.
I don't know anything about Cynthia Orrivo, so all I
had known about them came from the kind of notorious
press tours where they'd kind of frankly come across as
a little insufferable and self absorbed. I just remember Cynthia
Rivo reacting to that fan art poster, Yeah, and just like,
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how's just how pompous you had to be to react
to a fan's genuine expression and attempt to engage in
this world that they love.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think I think she probably felt a little silly.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I should clarify if if somebody listens, like what are
they talking about? It was somebody had done a fan
art of Cynthia. They designed it, designed it like the
famous poster where the hat, the brim of the hat
comes over the eyes the witch's hat, and Cynthia Eva
went on a tirade on Twitter where she was like, oh,
my eyes are my most defining feature.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
How it was like the eyes.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Or eyes, yes, but she was treating it as if
like it was this person had flat out insulted them,
like insulted her or like was malicious in.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
What they were doing.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And it was just like and people I think went
after I don't know if they went after the artist,
but it was so pronounced that the artist had to
respond right, like wasn't there like something.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Artist was an artist? I think it was a fan
Like I could be wrong, so like caveat, I'm positive,
look for yourself please, But I will say I think
I would think she probably later had on her pillow
and was like, ah, that should have been in the group.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Chat have to have a disconnect from reality to react
to a fan.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I think she did say I shouldn't have said that
on the internet, like I do think she came back
and like, you know, I think there's just this there.
These are artists that take things very seriously, and that
is amazing in the sense that we get we get
the payoff of their incredibly hard work and passion. The
flip side is that you can have situations like these
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and the press Stoor is kind of muddled with like
some silliness and some awkwardness and then some of this stuff.
So it's just kind of like it was interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I think that. So what impressed me the most is
that both of them.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Are incredible in the movie. And not only that, but
you know.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Like I said, it doesn't take itself too seriously I'd
expected because of their personas, like they were like we're
in this musical indenda. But they're both very fun and
silly and willing to laugh at each other and themselves,
and so they have great chemistry. Yeah, there's a loose Yeah,
they there's a looseness to the film that I think
sometimes the live performance has that stage performance and they're
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both picarly live performance of stage, but I mean like
stage cinematic performance because it's more contained because you're doing
the takes over and over again, you're not reacting to
a live audience.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It can feel a.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Little bit more sterile, and I didn't get that at
all from this. It's full of life and wonder. And
I also was almost expecting, maybe because of what I'd
seen in the trailers, for it to be very green
screen heavy, very artificial, and there is like there's green screen,
there's CGI, but for the most part, like these are
pretty like giant, massive sets and interactive sets that you know,
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you see the actors.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And I do believe that they did win the Oscar
for like I want to say, set besign, Yeah, and
costume design, which again, the costumes are incredible, Like you said,
the production design is incredible. It looked like a lot
of practical sets. Yeah, it just looked good.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
John Chu apparently he referenced Hook as an inspiration, and
Hook had some great sets.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
There are a couple other things, but he was he
was going for that old school, the Grand musicals, where
they did build those sets, and it wasn't allow the
CGI and you feel that, you feel like the actors
are in there and the way they interact with their
environments gives it that life, and the choreography gives it
that life too. Again, I think the way the camera
sometimes I could I feel like such a disconnect between
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the choreography in a film versus what you'll see like
in a live environment. But this is just the way
the camera moves and the way the shots play out.
Like it just felt like such a perfect marriage and
a great understanding of musical like the genre musical movement
and how a camera should capture that and how the
camera can play an active role in providing energy as
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the performers are providing that energy. So I was very
impressed by that as well.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, there's that scene that you talked about, the library
scene with Firo, like his big first number. But Jonathan Bailey's.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Understanding of who he was was exclusively from the interview
he did with David Quardy Sweat, because it's always about
Superman with me. So I watched that and I was
like that, Jonathan Bailey seems.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Like a nice guy man, He's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I kind of wanted the two of them to they
had such a good chemistry. In that interview, I was like,
Jonathan and David they should should do a musical together
and maybe they should make out Lerty.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
You know, he's just has like this really easy going,
flirty persona. But no, that that scene, I loved it
because a Jonathan Bailey, and he delivered. He's like flirting
with everyone. He's so good.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
He's so good Sexiest Man Alive and I got it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I was like, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You're nice when you can watch.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
A movie like Wicked that has all this hype and
fandom and you're like, god, I just want to stop
hearing about this.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
But then you can watch it and be like, oh okay.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But also the same thing for the Sexiest Man a
live award where you can watch this gentleman and say, like,
sexiest man Alive. There are a lot of men out
there is.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh, well, okay, I can you have.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I will give you lots of material to watch you need.
There's a season of heart Stopper he's in which he's great.
There is Oh Bridgerton, a whole season dedicated to him
and reliance and it's it's my favorite Bridgerton season. It's
so good. But Anyways, I digress. So, but that scene,
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just to like go back to what you're saying about
how it was filmed that part were like you say,
everything's spinning and there's that parkour guy that just goes
all the way through and the camera is following. Any
I don't see any cuts, And I'm not like, I'm
not like you, I miss cuts, But I did not
see any cuts. And I was so impressed by that.
I just thought it was it was incredible. I was like, Okay,
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that is good camera work. That is good dancing, that
is good choreography. They're still singing, what the heck? This
is so good?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, and coming into this film not knowing anything about
the story, Yeah, it's so absorbing from the get go
because that creativity is there from the get go. But
what about the film and the story surprised you because
we didn't know anything about it going into it, Like
I think I said, I thought they the witches were
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sisters and they're not sisters. But what surprised you about
the film and the story since we didn't know anything,
what kind of threw you for a loop or was
unexpected or pleasantly surprised?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Like, how did you feel you know.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Not knowing much about it. I think I kind of
had a misconception, preconception that Alphaba was going to maybe
not be as sympathetic as a character from the get go.
I didn't realize we were going to fall in love
with her and see that she has a pure heart
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and that she is just different and had that struggle
which was so visceral and so painful times. And I
was like genuinely moved by that, and I didn't expect
I mean, I kind of knew, Okay, I'm going to
love both of them, because everyone who has seen this
movie loves both of them. It's not like, oh I
like her, but she's bad, you know. You know, I
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just it's like this movie kind of breaks your heart
a little bit because I'm scared about where it's going
to go, and he'll we get a you know, happy
ending or and I haven't been spoiled, which is great.
I'm really curious. But I just like I really fell
in love with her character. Yeah, I was so moved,
and you know, I think when I started crying during
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that dance scene, yes, Holy I think for me, that
is the standout scene, you know, where they're in the
OZ dusk ballroom and they're like under the water. It's
so beautiful, and you just she thinks she's finally made
a friend and she's accepted and she gets excited and
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then she realizes she's the but of the joke, and
like I could almost not watch it. I was so
like I had the secondhand pain. I was like, well,
and I think we're all human. I think we've all
experienced a degree of that, but this was like really painful.
But because of all that, and like god, these women
can act with their eyeballs, okay, like it is insane.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That's why Cynthia was so mad. She was upset, how
dare you block my eyes on your fan art?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
But I think it made it made that emotional payoff,
like so good when Glinda comes up and starts mirroring
her dance movements. And I don't know, I think for me,
if I were to like describe this movie, I'd be like,
this is this, that was this embodies the whole film.
That's all you need to know to get every other
And it's.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Not even it's not a big song, you know, defying
gravity as the climactic moment at the end, which I
think everyone kind of walks out of the theater thinking
about that.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, but I think I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Was an exact sequence.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Is so beautifully done, and they're like, you know, it's
all performance. Yeah, it's silence, like they're not really nobody
is saying anything. She's not saying oh yeah, well you
guys like it's like you Cynthia's performance is so good
and that you get you sense her defiance and how
she's behaving where she's like I don't I don't even care.
(25:23):
She does care, but you get like she's like, I'm
not going to let this bring me down. And then
Ariana Grande Glinda sees her and recognizes her and is
willing to engage with her and basically be like, w'ere
I'm with you now. And it's I mean, it's beautifully done,
beautifully shot and beautifully performed, the great great moment.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, and I think I read somewhere that in the
in the play it's played a little more for laughs. Interesting,
and I think I read that summer So if that's wrong,
I'm sorry. I'm sure someone will tell us who's that.
But but I remember maybe not like huge comedic laughs,
but it was just more comedic or like they had
more comedic timing with the physicality of the dancing or
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something like that. But like whatever they did was just beautiful.
I mean, like what good direction and good writing and
like it was just I don't know. I just was like,
I know we moved on from that scene, but I
was still there for the rest of the movie, Like
I just kept feeling those feelings and it carried me
through to the end.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And for that that had to do. That scene had
to do so much, and that from that moment on
their friends, Yeah, there's no big moment as far as
like I guess what you would expect, the moment where
somebody becomes friends. And the first thing that popped into
my mind was Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, where
they have been butting heads with Hermione and then they
all find a troll together and then they're like, we're
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all friends. Like this is much more subtle and emotional
than that. So for that to have played out, and
if it was in the play more of a like oh,
it's funny and it's going to be silly and they're
still going to become friends. Like for them to like
really sit in that moment and let it play out
in a serious emotional way, really really great filmmaking.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So I I'm with you one hundred percent on that.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
But I think what I kind of was the same
as you, where I was not expecting.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
What's what's the Wicked Witch's name.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Alphaba alphaba, alphaba alphaba.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I was not expecting her to be such a grounded,
relatable character very and I almost am like, so Wicked
is really it really is a reinterpretation. It's not like
we're like, it's the the.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Real version of Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Like the Wizard of Oz the story is like, that's
the fairy tale you've heard, but this is what really happened.
Is now kind of the vibe I'm getting. And I
wasn't sure how directly this would tie in to Wizard
of Oz the like the story the film, because obviously,
you know, Wicked was made many many years after, written
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many many years.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
After the book and the film.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But I wasn't sure if this the play kind of
was like, yeah, we'll tie it more directly.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Into the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Visually, there's a lot of similarities, but you know, the
character in the film obviously is like like very Caaculie
and evil. So I'm like, oh, okay, so is this
like like the story you haven't heard? I guess we're
going in that direction. So that kind of that was
interesting to me because I'm right now like I'm like, well,
she's the only good person in this intent?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, like is that the.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm guessing that's the intention. But then it also it's
like I don't know how I feel about that, Like,
I you know, not that every well almost everyone else
is kind of like one note bad except for Jonathan Bailey,
and even Glinda is kind of like just she's.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
A little gray. She also just she's you know, for
as much as she acts like a leader in most
of the movies, she's a fault. She wants to be accepted, yes,
like she is desper for that you know, acceptance, and
she'll she'll blend it.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Wants to be popular.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
She wants to be popular, you know. But obviously she's
getting more layers in depth as the movie you know
goes in her relationship with Alpha ba blossoms. I think
it opens her eyes to a lot of stuff obviously,
but it isn't you know, because you think about it.
The movie opens in the Future and the Wicked Witch
of you know she's dead, but is she you know,
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so there's so many things in my head. I'm like,
is that real? And you know, Glinda has this very
like blase like, oh, yeah, she's dead.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I guess we're friends, yes, a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Is this going to be, like you said, like a
switch and she actually the bad one? Or is this
an act which I'm leaning more towards. I think it's
some sort of act and then she's protecting her or
something that's kind of where I.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
A moment like I don't know, there's a moment in
this film where Michelle Yo covers Alphaba and it's like, oh,
we don't want you to get wet, and it's like
the only reference to her.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Like there's like stuff in the beginning when they're like, oh,
the Wicked Witch.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Like waterness that yeah, but I it was almost so
understated that I was like, are they hinting at that?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Or like, is water.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
An actual because it's such a silly you know in
the movie. In the movie, it's just very silly, yeah
that that happens to be the thing that defeats her.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
And in this film, because it's more like.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Grounded and solemn in terms of like its emotional content.
It feels a little silly that it's like, is it
just going to be Dorothy throws a bucket of water
on this character? Right?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
So that's I thought that was interesting, but also.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Like I totally miss that.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, but I think that was maybe a.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Issue, like a flaw like it I don't know if
it was the intention or if it was the intention,
it was so understated that it's like should that have
been a little bit more pronounced and that kind of
you know, I don't know if I necessarily want to
go into this part of the conversation yet, but it's
kind of my big issue with the movie is that
it really is only half the story. And I think
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a lot of people coming into this are already fans
and know the whole story. But for us, I'm kind
of looking at this and the movie ends and I
feel sort of like I feel like we were just
getting started, and I think where the film ends is
where we're Part one ends, is where Act one ends
in the Broadway play, like that is the curtain drop
(31:27):
moment after that performance, it's like boom and intermission and
you're like, wow, you know, I could see how the
energy like would carry you through intermission and then you
come into the second half of the story. But because
like because this is only one half of the film,
there's just stuff that's like set up that I don't
fully understand, Like the animals, I don't know enough. I
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don't remember in the film, the original like the Wizard
of Oz the film, I haven't read the book. I
don't remember there being such a big thing about like
animals talking, and now they're not going to talk. Mind
to be of like Narnia, Like like I am I
getting my fantasy stories confused, Like what is the point
of this? Why doesn't the Wizard want the animals to talk?
(32:11):
What am I missing? And they don't really talk about
it much. They kind of hint at there's like this
big thing and the animals are all like there, we've
got to fight back and we've got to figure this out.
And then it's a part of the film and it
almost plays second fiddle to everything else going on between
the characters and their emotional relationships.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
But like that kind of confused me.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And I'm like, well, maybe this will play out in
part two, But nobody ever explained, like is there a
reason why we don't want animals to talk?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Is it because humans?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Because Oz is a human and is like humans are
going to rule and we're taking over this. Like they
never explain it, and I'm like, if that's going to
be in part two, great, But also like there wasn't
enough in part one for this to feel like its
own standalone story for me to understand what's going on.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I I feel like they only really addressed it
at the very end, and then obviously so much stuff other,
you know, happens, so you're kind kind of glaze over
it and you move past it. So I'm assuming they'll
get into it in the second part, but I don't know.
It's a good question. I mean, I'm I just assume that,
like with anything, it's like, oh, people or they don't
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have prejudice, Yes, they have prejudiced. They want to, you know,
get rid of things that make them money.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
That's my question is like, well, what is the land
of Oz? And again bringing it back to Narnia, and
Narnia was like, oh, the magical creatures live there and
the animals will talk, So it's like, okay, it seems
like here it's the same. The animals were here originally
they're all talking. Why are people suddenly not into that?
Like it's that's what I'm confused, not understanding the world
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building of OZ.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Like what is what is the context for this?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And again, I don't know if that'll be explained or
if it was just something that was kind of sort
of rushed over.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not feeling that.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Was I think that kind of it didn't argue like
it's not enough to be like, oh my god, that
ruined everything. But I was like, this is a little confusing,
and I think maybe the weaknesses I had, or the
problems I have with the film are strictly coming down
to like, well, what's going to happen like what happens
in part two, which is kind of like, I think
(34:20):
an argument for us doing both of them in one episode.
But I think, because it's its own film, let's judge
it as that and then watch wa good for Good
and judge that one on its own terms.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
But I there's a.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Part of me already that feels like this could have
been one movie. Probably there was a lot of I
was reading about the production and like, oh, we need
to displait.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
It because we didn't want to cut.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
We thought if we didn't make it two movies, we'd
have to cut so much and it would ruin the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
And I'm kind of like maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But the film, this first part is two hours forty
plus minutes. It's long, but it we were talking about it.
The pacing is pretty solid. It doesn't really It's never boring.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I didn't feel the length much, no.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
But I started to feel it. I think when they
get to Emerald City and Oz, Yeah, that's where I
started to feel it, because we've kind of established this world,
We've established the school, the characters there, the dynamic and
the relationship, and then when they go to Emerald City,
it's like, and now we're gonna tell a whole different
(35:28):
Like now we're going to start a whole new story.
And then suddenly it's like Oz isn't really magical and
we've been training l a alpha bum. Sorry, I'm sorry,
Please don't yell at me on Twitter, Cynthia, But like
it just felt like there's a lot of information happening
in this final quarter of the film that is like
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all set up for the second part, and I think
that kind of it makes sense, but it felt to
me like that's where I started to feel the leaf
a little bit and was like, where is this going?
I really am interested to see what happens in part two,
And but I don't know, how did you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Did you feel any of that? Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I just like I was really engaged the whole time.
I think, so I I kind of have to wait
and see what part it feels like to make that decision.
I think, but based on just part one, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I'm excited to feel it too.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, I didn't really and I'm working. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Well, it's also like I don't know what they're setting
like again with with Cynthia sorry Aba, with her being
like suddenly like the wizard is It's just like such
a sudden switch where she's like I'm going off on
my own and I'm the wicked witch and.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
They've created her or they've turned her into the face
of evil.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
It just felt so quick. It felt so quick, like
they set her up for that. Yeah, and there's a
part of me that feels like the mysterious stranger who
is feeding the green elixir to her mother is ash Yeah,
and created her because he wanted a magical creature that
he could manipulate. I just felt like, this is a
lot of information and suddenly it's the end of the movie.
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And not only that, it was like the movie was
almost taken out of Alphaba and Glinda's hands, like they
were kind of just participants. And you know, I loved
the like the scene between them, I love defying gravity,
that whole sequence of them, But it felt like the
movie was like, this is the climactic moment of this film,
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and it felt.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Like it's just a setup for part two.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't know, I'm trying to explain it, but I
think maybe that's it. It just felt a little bit
like this is really going to hinge on, Like what
is the rest of this story for me?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, I think you're right. I do wonder if, like
we had a different experience of having to wait like
a year between movies, if maybe that's part of the
issue of these people coming back a year later and
watching it versus just like watching it as it's intended
to back. So I am curious about that. But yeah,
(38:07):
I mean, like I said, I I was cool with it.
I don't really feel like it was missing anything or
went too long, or you know, but let's see what
part two feels like first, to like, really see if
my thoughts remain the same.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's hard to judge this movie.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
It is.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
It's a good movie.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's part one of two. It's complete.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
You know, you need the whole thing. But I did
want to ask you because it wasn't completely clear to me,
and maybe I need to rewatch. I don't think know
if I missed any signals. But in before the Defying
Gravity you know song, but on the balcony, right, is
Glinda going to go with her or not? Because I
feel like she is and she gets pulled away, but
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she seems like she was kind of waffling where she's like, oh,
but you're cold, let me get you a cloak. She
doesn't like answer. Did you get the sense of her?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I bet she did know what she wanted to do. Yeah,
and she but she loved like I think she decided
like I can't. And that's again where it becomes really complex,
and there was a lot of stuff happening. I think
that's part of the problem, honestly, with the this whole
finale of the film and the fact that it's not
a conclusion.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
It just felt like, oh.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Oz is bad, but why why is Glinda okay with
him being bad? What exactly is going on with the
animals that it's like he's so evil he wants to
stop the animals from talking.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Like I was like, well they know something.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, But I'm like, is it like she now knows
Alphaba knows that he is not magical.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Everyone in that room knows that he is not magical.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
But to me, it was like, why wouldn't Glinda be like,
oh my god, everything I knew was a lie.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Of course they'll come with you.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
It feels weird that she would then be like, I'm
just gonna and maybe that's her She's.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
A people pleaser. Yeah, so I think that played a
big part of it. But I also think you're describing
a cliffhanger, which is, yeah, maybe I.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Don't like that.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Halfway Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
This is the halfway point of the story. So it's
like that the movie ends, you know, So I'm like
complaining about things that maybe will get well I assume
will get resolved in part two. But it's why I'm
kind of like, should this have just been a single movie?
Which brings us to our next point, which is Wicked
for Good. When the film was released, I think there
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was an assumption like, this is gonna be amazing. Everyone's
gonna love it, all the bands, Yeah, everyone was so
excited for it, and the immediate reaction coming out of
it of people you knew, people I knew who love yeah,
which I'm like, how are you disappointed?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
If you're a fan of the play?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Baffled?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
What happened that changed your opinion so dramatically that you
decided like this thing that you already knew the story of,
You already knew the story. What what did this movie
do that upset you so much? Yeah? Because your friend
Emily was genuinely like, oh I didn't like it at all,
(41:02):
And it's like, I'm just so baffled. I'm like, it's
the same thing as if people who read Harry Potter
and The Deathly Hallows loved the book and then went
into part two and they were like, oh, part two sucked.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
It's like, well, what did you think was gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, And I had a few people that saw it
that loved the first one that felt let down. But
that's all I got because I was like, well, I
don't want to get spoiled, so like, don't tell me anything,
but I'm I'm really curious. I think the one thing
that we both know that we've talked about is maybe
the music isn't as strong and people.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Maybe that's I think that's part of it. There are
a couple of songs they wrote for the movie exclusively
because they realized we don't have enough music, and I
think what I've heard. I talked with Richie about it,
because Richie saw it, and Richie Richie enjoyed it, but
he said he thinks it's because of like, well, the
first one is a little bit more well rounded, like
there's fun stuff and there's serious stuff, and this one
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is like very dark.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, depressing.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I can see that.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I mean, and you know, honestly, again, maybe when we
come back and do Wicked for Good, it will be
just like this should have just.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Been one movie.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
This should have been one movie because I'm so curious
to see how I will feel. I hope I'm in
the minority and I love it.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, you know, the reviews, the critic reviews were pretty mixed,
and then the fan reaction was kind of mixed too,
But the movie made decent money. It didn't make as much.
It didn't do as well as the first one, but
it still made a profit. Honestly, any money, I think
because they filmed these back to back, I think any
money is.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
A profit after the first one.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, yeah, so that I think was the primary motivator
for splitting it into two parts, was to try to
make more money. But I am just so curious because
I genuinely as a fan of this first film, I'm like,
where is this going?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Like what happens?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And then I'm just so curious about like also what
made it so upsetting to people who already love this story.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
And you know what I'm excited about, because you know,
I love Fiarro, Yes, is that he very clearly like
he heard the news about Alphaba being like the big
bad and he'd gotten his horse and he lived, and
you know he's going to her. And I'm like, yes,
because I want to see that, Like that is.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Like my that was a really sweet unrequited love.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah thing too, which also, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Had a little love triangle without it feeling icky. It
was just very like organic, And you know, I think
I'm really curious to see how that flushes out. I
think it's going to be a bigger part of the story.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
So yeah, I mean, I hope, Yeah, I don't. I hope.
I'm like wishful thinking because I just want more Jonathan
Bailey on my screen. But the fact that he was
just like, yeah, I'm out, like I'm gonna go see her,
It's like in his character arc has been great.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Well, yeah, from what we've seen of it, half the
first half of it is really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I know, I'm like, please keep going that direction. Yeah,
but yeah, I mean I think it's going to be darker.
I think we know there's maybe less power ballads or something,
you know people, so maybe that's an insane I am
okay with it being darker. That does not mean anything
negative to me. Like, if it's done, well, I'm good.
(44:23):
Uh so, I am really really curious. Yeah, I'm so
glad we're gonna Why did we wait so long? My goodness,
we are obviously I'm glad that I'm psychotic. And I
was like, yeah, you need to get this for me
for Christmas, the four K Steel book whatever, And then
I also got the double vinyl and I've never I.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Was like, speaking of which one of your favorite songs?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Oh gosh, I mean defying gravity. I guess yeah. It's
hard to like look away from that popular. I feel
like I'm choosing all Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
The Wizard and I was really good.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
That was the one where she's singing about yeah, like
going to see the Wizard and.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Oh yeah, that's really good. I don't know the names
of the song.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I just read that one.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Fierro's intro song is wonderful. The Library that.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
That was probably one of my favorites, if not my favorite,
just the choreography with the spinning library books.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I also really loved the choreography and the musical number
between I can't remember his name, but Alphaba's sister who's
in the wheelchair, and the little dance number they do
what is it bo? I think he's the munchkin. I
can't remember his name.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
And you said he's married to Ariana.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
He's dating dating, they're dating. Good for them, but I
can't I can't remember the name of that song. I
gotta look at well, I gotta go get my vinyl records.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
And the song the Feeling like when they hate each other,
the song each Other that.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Was really good too.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
It's honestly kind of hard to pick a favorite. It's
a really and maybe again maybe that's why we're like, oh,
it's a perfect score.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Oh and we got a great cameo from Adel Dezime.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
It was Adana Menzel and who is the other one?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Your original Broadway?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, and they got a whole little sequence which was
really love.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
That is something I said to you after the movie.
I said, Wow, I'm so glad they didn't just give
them kind of like a throwaway cameo, but they put
the spotlight on these ladies who pioneered these roles and
like did it.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
So that was really cool.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, I thought that was that was so great. And
then playing off each I mean, it was just perfect.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I feel like we should, like, unceremoniously just stop this conversation,
like just have it awkwardly cut off, and they'll say
to be continued, because that's I feel like what.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
This film did to me, and so I want to
make my audience.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Suffer super happy with But I.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Feel like, honestly, maybe this is I mean, in this
day and age, that's something that's almost a given. Now
there's so many part ones and part two. I deathly
hallows a pass because I'm a massive Harry Potter fan,
and that felt like a generational like, Yeah, let's extend
this a little bit longer.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Let's extend the ending a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
But I don't think I've enjoyed many other like mocking
Ja Part one and two. Well, Breaking Dawn Part two
was pretty fantastic, just for the climactic finale that wasn't
in the book.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
What else.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I feel like there's just a lot of part ones
in part two. So I feel like in some ways.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I'm it is kind of the standard.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, I kind of am used to it, but also
I just when it bring, when it potentially brings down
the story as a whole, is what my concern is,
and that I feel.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Like you are concerned about something that has not happened yet.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
We don't know, We don't know, but I'm speaking on
behalf of the people who love it who aren't necessarily
like they were.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Like, I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I'm like it might be because these two parts should
be a single story.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, if you treat it as like an intermission and
you pop the next disc in, does it make a
mental disc I.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Feel for you to have an advantage there, Like, I
really do think like it's gonna be easier for us, Like.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
I said, waiting a year, year and a half or
whatever between films.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
That's kind of hard to go into a movie theater
and if the movie's depressing, like yeah, let's go, We're
going to celebrate, and then it's like, all right, that
was sad, let's go.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
You know, it's different than if you got to have
both of them in one go. So I am genuinely
excited for part two. I really enjoyed this. I thought
it was great. Definitely. It's so funny because I remember
when it came out and it got such accolades and
was getting nominated, nominated for so much. I was just
so shocked because I was like, I just was not
(48:36):
on my radar. I'm just you know, it was very
surprising and interesting to see that everyone kind of embraced it.
So I think that's completely understandable now and very curious
to see why nobody embraced We Can for Good, which
got completely shut out of the Oscars.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah. Everything, it's just like a completely opposite experience.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And I think something, I feel like we're going to
go feel like I liked it more than the first part.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And it's going to be a weird conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
But anything else, anything else, we're missing anything?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Uh, any highlights or low points for you.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I think it kind of already touched on all that points.
Low points. No. I mean, like maybe I'll have a
more critical eye on future viewings, but for now, I'm
kind of feeling high of how joyous and beautiful this
movie was, and like you can, I mean, every actor
brought their a game, This is cast so incredibly well,
(49:32):
like there's no.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Everything about it is great.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, It's just it was like visually stunning and beautiful
and it moved me. And those are the movies that
you know, I remember that. They're the ones that really
make you feel, like Nicole Kidman says, this is why,
But no, I I do. I think my little low
(49:55):
point is not being like on the hype train to
go see this in theaters and be a part of
like the cultural phenomenon that it was at that time.
I'm a little bummed. I am a total fangirl for
lots of different things, and I'm kind of I don't
know why I'm missed out on this one. I'm sure we.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Did it with Hamilton too, where everyone was over Hamilton
and we were.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Like, guys, if you learned of Hamilton, it's amazing. So
we could do the same thing with Wicked.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Now, I think, yeah, that's why it'll just be our thing.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, see see Superman in theaters five times. Don't see Wicked.
And then two years later start talking about Wicked.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
We're gonna we're going to bring back the hype for
Wicked and maybe for Wicked for good.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, we're going to be the apologetics that raise its
pedigree to another level. And as the misunderstood, it's going
to be the Godfather part two of musicals about the
Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
You know, I will like And maybe it's because they're
both musicals. But I haven't felt this like giddy doing
this podcast with like since Hamilton. That was the last
time I was like, Hamilton was so good.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
But it was also like neither of us have seen
it neither.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
It was fun to experience.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
I feel the same way here. That was so much fun.
Like I loved laughing with you and crying and like
just it was a really like fun experience And I'm
glad we got to do this.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
It's really good. So what's our rating system? How many
pointy hats? How many gravity's are we defying?
Speaker 1 (51:25):
I mean, whatever we're doing. For me, it's five stars,
hands down.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
I will give it four because it is there's no conclusion,
so I can't give it the I'm rolling.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
To give it that perfect five, but four. I still think.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Maybe you will go back and change your score.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I'm curious after I watch part two, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
I am very excited to see what we think of that.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
And we'll probably have to do an episode soon because
I would rather do that sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Oh yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
That's that's all. That's it great. Go see it if
you I don't know if you've heard of it. It's
very very popular. Now that we have seen it and
can give it our seal.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Of approval, we know you've been waiting, so go check
it out.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
And Sarah, thank you for being a part of this
wonderful experience, and thank you everybody for listening. Find me
on Twitter at y shondor Man. I'm also on Instagram
Shondorman and on letterbox at shondorman or five. Thank you
again for all your support and we will see you
at the movie.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
It is our le
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