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Titanic 2? Bob Marley: One Love: Part Deux? We pitch ideas for film continuations no one saw coming.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In a world where movies rely on marketing more than
ever to connect with audiences, one podcast aims to make
sense of it all. This is movies and marketing. Next
Saturday Nights, where's sending you back.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
To the future? Go ahead, make my day covert Now
you're crazy Dutch past. What we've got here is failure,
mel Gate take the ground, where as fresh all of pow,
we might as well good time. I am an f
B I agent.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, I'll right, all right, I'll right. Oh yeah,
it's always good to record a MoMA, you know, because
movies are just you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Know, what's even better than a movie? What another movie?
That is Bird from the first movie be birthed? Yeah, Bird,
a movie that comes comes out of the birth canal
of the first movie.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Mm, yeah, I mean what if it's just like a clone,
you know, it just doesn't have appears. Yeah, it doesn't
have a birth canal per se.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You don't want movies sliding out of birth canals. What
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
For the sake of this episode, I think we should
probably not use that any.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Like a clone that just shows up. Yeah, it's clean,
walks out. It looks like the first one, but it's
you know, slightly different, maybe a little dummer.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, like in multiplicity. Yeah, the fourth clone was or
was it the third clone was just an idiot?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Right, Yeah, I guess it was. It was the fourth
Michael Keaton, but the third clone.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, that's basically what happens with sequels.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, by the time you get that far, you're like,
it's like the first one just way dumber.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Which brings us back to the episode itself. Sequels no
one asked for, And this is an important topic. I
think this is more of like a PSA for the
world in general. Is that some movies just why you
don't it's not necessary. Let's not make a sequel to that, right.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, we get a lot of sequels. Some of them
people are like, give me more of that. I love
that so much, I want more. And some of them
you're just like, how did this show up here? Mm hmm?
Where did this? Where did this come from? I can't
believe this even exists.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
It's a tough topic because you know, we're generally very
positive on the show. We like to look at the
silver lining, we like to look at the pros from
any marketing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't even know if it's necessarily negative, you know,
just because you get them and you're not It could
be just unexpected, yeah, you know, or maybe like I
didn't want this, but here it is. Maybe it's good,
maybe it's bad. I didn't ask for I wasn't expecting it,
but it showed up at my door. Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And there's a lot of good ones. And there's a
lot of bad ones, right, ones that nobody asked for,
but they were fairly good sequels and others you're like, hmm, yeah,
there's a reason why that wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, before we get into it, before we dive further
into sequels no one asked for. Let's dive into a
little sequel trivia that I have for you, Patrick, because
I know how much you love trivia. I do.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm terrible at it. This year, twenty twenty five is
the year of no more trivia. We should never do
trivia again, even though we just introduced trivia every episode.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We just fully committed to trivia.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, and at the same time, my brain literally just
turned to mush.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
We always like a chance to show how not smart
we are, that we're the third clone. Yeah, but you know,
I think your trivia is ramping up.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, I did pretty good on the last episode of
whatever we recorded recently.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, that thing. Well, let's start you out with some
sequel trivia. This first one. I'm just sure you're gonna
get it, okay, positive, all right? What year was the
first movie sequel released? I got multiple choice for you here.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The first movie sequel ever?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, the first movie sequel ever? Okay, nineteen forty nine,
nineteen sixty three, nineteen twenty eight, or nineteen sixteen. Do
you need those choices again?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No? But you think I'm gonna get this? No, I
just I was gonna say, like, is there something I'm
missing here?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Because I was I was poking the bear a little bit. No,
I don't necessarily think you're gonna get this. I wouldn't
get this.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I would say you had a nineteen sixty three. Yeah,
I think it's nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is not nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Three, Okay, So nineteen twenty eight was that one of
the options.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That was one of the options. It is not nineteen
twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Wow, so is it nineteen seventy something three? Four?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
The two remaining options were nineteen forty nine and nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Nineteen forty nine, that is.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Not nineteen forty nine, It is nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Wow, I thought, how could it possibly go back that far?
Although that's the one that I think to myself that
probably makes sense, right, because we just keep reproducing things.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's a time honored tradition that goes back farther than
you think.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So, The Fall of a Nation, released in nineteen sixteen,
is considered the first feature length movie sequel. Directed and
co written by Thomas Dixon Junior, the Silent Film is
a sequel to director d W. Griffiths controversial nineteen fifteen
The Birth of a Nation. The Birth of a Nation,
(06:01):
Then we got The Fall of a Nation.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah again, going back to the whole idea of birthing.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Ah. Yeah, it seems to be a recurring theme on
this episode. Yeah, all right, I got one more trivia
quest for you. This one a little easier, but not easy.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
How many direct sequels have been nominated for Best Picture
at the Academy Awards. Here are your choices, ten, six,
twenty one, or fifteen? So sequels nominated for Best Picture?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Direct sequels?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, direct sequels meaning not something loose where you're like, well,
it's kind of it had a character or something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, so that it was ten, what ten, six, twenty
one and fifteen. I'm just gonna go out and a lemon,
say it's ten ten is correct? Alright, I got it,
all right. You can still count them on your fingers,
but just barely.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, So let me give them to you.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The Bells of Saint Mary's in nineteen forty five, one
of your favorites, Patrick, the sequel to the nineteen forty
four Academy Award winner, Going My Way. Then we fast
forward to nineteen seventy four where we had The Godfather
Part two is nominated and wins. Fast forward again to
nineteen ninety The Godfather Part Three. Then we go up
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to two thousand and two. We got The Lord of
the Rings of the Two Towers. The next year we
get The Lord of the Rings, Return of the King
twenty ten, Toy Story three, mad Max Fury Road in
twenty fifteen, Avatar The Way of Water in twenty twenty three.
That same year we have another movie.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Do you know what it is, the same year as
Avatar The Way of Water.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Twenty twenty three, d Turn Drimp, Yeah, Maverick, Top Gun Maverick.
And then finally just this past year, Dune Part two.
So that's all ten. Not surprising. Seventy percent of them
have come after the year two thousand, so we're embracing
the sequel a little more.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And those are all I guess understandable, you know, and
their popularity and also you know, they're well crafted movies.
I would say for the most part.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, those are the best of the best sequels in general.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I mean the idea for this episode though, came
about in honor of The Accountant two. Yeah, not the
account Not the account The Accountant, which is hitting theaters
in April of twenty five. We're in that year. But
if you listen to this ten years from now, you'll
be like, oh, yeah, the Accountant too. That was a
(08:49):
big Oscar winner.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
We're in part ten now.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, so The Accountant was a decent hit in twenty sixteen,
as people may or may not have remembered, making roughly
a six million domestic one hundred and fifty five million worldwide.
But as we've talked about, we're not sure if people
were really clamoring for a sequel to this, right.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Maybe maybe in like an business office, people were like,
we need another accountant.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, that you probably more likely hear than people saying
that they needed another one of these movies. But you know,
it's pretty good. Ben Affleck was pretty good in that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, it's entertaining.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And then Den of Thieves is another one that's coming
out this year. The first movie was released in twenty eighteen,
made forty four million domestic eighty million worldwide, and then
it gained a bigger following over time. Like people, you know,
it's just one of those things. It sits around, people
are streaming, it's on cable, streaming and cable. Who even
has cable anymore?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But now they're coming out with the Den of Thieves
Pantera in it already came out. Oh did it come out?
Oh it's in the theaters right now?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It was not in January, yeat, So it's not in
the theaters.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I mean it might still be in the theaters.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It's in some theater somewhere right now.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You clearly saw it.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah. Again, the colon's and the name drives me a
little crazy. Den of Thieves Colon Pantera.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's like they just you know, I should have called
it Den of Thieves Colon Alice in Chains.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Alison chairs Den of Thieves Colon Sound Garden. Okay, I'm
in it. I'm in it for that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
If they keep naming the movies like that, mm hmm,
I'm into it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So what do you think of all this? What do
you think are some of the most surprising puzzling sequels
of all time?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I guess I think it's kind of interesting when movies
you're like, oh, I wasn't expecting a sequel there. I
guess I shouldn't be surprised that we get sequels to
everything now, but that's the world we live in. They're
trying to make everything a franchise, no matter even if
it's small. You know, they're like, ah, this is kind
of build up a little fan base. Let's make see
if we can make ten of these, which is pretty
(11:02):
interesting to me now because we don't even have like,
you know, the direct to video market they used to
do this with. They'd be like, ah, it's a hit
on video. Let's let's make twelve direct to video versions
of that. We don't really have direct to video anymore,
so it's surprising we get as many of these as
we do. But trying to think of, like, okay, what's
what are some of the like bizarrest or most unexpected
(11:24):
sequels of all time. The first one that popped in
my head was Weekend at Bernie's two. That was a movie.
I was like, ow, okay, they walked around with the
dead guy. This has resolved. They're not bringing the dead
guy back. But they did. They brought the dead guy back.
They found a way to like do it. It was like,
you know, one of those like mild comedy hits. I
(11:45):
did not expect a part two to that. They've found
a pretty weird way to make a part two to that.
So that's kind of the one that pops out to
my in my head. First. I have a few others.
What do you think of when you think of like
kind of a weird or sequel.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
There's a lot of weird ones. I was thinking about
The Whole ten Yards, which was a sequel to The
Whole nine Yards. The Whole nine Yards was kind of
brilliant in the fact that it was just this fun
little comedy that nobody really expected, and then the Whole
ten Yards it was like, why the other one had success,
so they just made another one. I mean, I'm not
(12:22):
knocking the name though, at least it had a name,
you know, it wasn't The Whole nine Yards too, Yeah,
Electric Boovoloo.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They went up one. That's a great example, though, because
that's one of those movies where the first one zero
expectations for In fact, you looked at it and you're like, well,
this looks like pure garbage, and then you saw it
and you're like, ah, that's much better than I thought
it was gonna be. Yeah, and you left the theater
and you were pretty happy. And then you see there's
like a part two, and you're like that, no, absolutely
(12:51):
no reason we need.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
That zero zero reason. Just let the other one be
what it was and be maybe in some cases genius
the original. Let it live on its own, you know,
so good because of that. Let's not taint it with
a sequel, right.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, or rooted. I think in maybe both these cases
of like Weekend at Bernie's and The Whole nine Yards,
you have something that's kind of like a surprise hit,
not even a huge hit, but you're just like, this
didn't suck, and we made a little money off of it,
and then you got to like push it a little
farther when you should probably just leave it alone and
be happy you got like that much, because by all accounts,
(13:33):
you should have fell flat on your face with that.
For the record, though, we can at Bernie's too kind
of amazing in its own way. Yeah, just because it's
so bizarre and unexpected, and that's you know. I think
maybe what we'll get to a little bit as we
step into the role of pitching some sequels that nobody
asked for, you know, as we walk into this room,
this office, and try to get these executives to buy
(13:56):
into these movie ideas here in a second.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, so we're each going to share two movies or
two ideas for sequels, two movies no one would ever
expect or necessarily want.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Did you have a method to this? Did you have
an approach to this? I'm pretty interested in this because
I went into this and I thought this was going
to be pretty simple. But I found this to be
harder than I thought. The reason being, as we kind
of mentioned everything and anything is kind of sequelized. Now.
To try to figure out what to pick, as I
often do, I had to make some rules here. I
had to have some criteria. So my first was I
(14:32):
wasn't going to pick a big hit because those automatically
get sequels like Speed. It made sense it got a
sequel because Speed, like was a huge money maker. So
I tried to look for movies that didn't make that
much money. Something like under forty million is kind of
where I was going for. And the other thing, I
was staying away from horror movies because I also thought,
(14:52):
I'm like people just accept like, you know, Priday the
thirteenth is going to get ten sequels, you know, or
something like any horror movie you can get at like
five sequels. So that was I was like, Okay, I'm
gonna try to steer clear of those. And then I
was just in general, like trying to steer clear of
movies that have are still in like the conversation, you know,
(15:14):
like something like Goonies that people are still like talking
about or thinking about after like forty years. You know,
I'm not necessarily looking like at that. I'm looking at
something that's more forgotten. People are like, oh, yeah, that
was a movie. That's kind of what I'm going for
When I'm thinking about sequels. No one asked for thinking
of something that was like a mild hit at the time,
or you know, maybe not even a hit and not
(15:36):
necessarily talked about too much now and not in the
horror genre.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah. Mine, mine were just total absurdity.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Does it feel right?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah? It had to be something that you just would
not expect for any number of reasons. And I probably
will get into it when yeah, kid of them.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
All right, were you ready to do this?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, let's jump in.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
All right. Let me start first. Let me take you
back to the year nineteen ninety five when an off
the charts genius who is homeschooled and shunned after his
last relative dies, shows the unconscious residence of his town
about connection, awareness and the generosity of the spirit. You're like,
(16:20):
what the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about Powder?
Do you remember Powder? Yeah, pale albino dude maybe had
some supernatural powers. I'm not sure. I'll be honest, I
never really saw this movie. I just know the guy Powder.
We used to make jokes about him, you know, tell
people they looked like Powder. This movie made thirty million dollars. Domestic,
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starred Mary stein Bergen and Jeff Goldbloom in supporting roles,
has a very disturbing fact associated with it. It was
revealed halfway through production that writer, director Victor Salva had
been convicted for child molestation several years earlier, which created
created controversy and probably led to this movie, you know,
(17:04):
disappearing in time even more than it has fifty percent
on Rotten Tomatoes, the ultimate mid ranking where people are like, yeah,
maybe it's good, maybe it's bad. You know, nobody thought
it was great. No, we thought it was awful. But
what I'm positing is now, thirty years later, Powder returns
to the town where he once showed up and caused
(17:26):
such a clamor to again teach them about the generosity
of the spirit. But this time, to the surprise of everyone,
including Jeff Goldbloom, he has a baby with him. That's right,
the title of this movie Powder two Baby Powder, baby Powder,
baby Powder. Yes, are you buying a ticket? Patrick? Can
(17:48):
I get you in on that?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I mean, I like the name. I will say I
like the name.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Powder two colon baby powder.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Baby Powder. Yeah, so it feels right if you could
direct it similar to Baby Driver.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But yeah, that'd be great. It's all kind of musical.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It's musical, you know, it's like, you know, maybe he's
a getaway driver. Maybe he is this little albino baby
baby powder. It's like a sequel to Baby Driver.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh, it's both. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I mean if it could be a sequel to two
different movies decades apart from each other.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean, that's fantastic that it ties into something I
was playing with but that I didn't actually think could work.
It didn't quite fit with a sequel that no one wanted.
But for a while I was playing with the idea
of Grumpy Old White Men Can't Jump as sort of
a requel and remake in one, and I just didn't
think it quite fit this idea. But I'm like, that's
(18:48):
it's pretty good. Someone should probably use that. So we
should save that for another show, which is movie combinations.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, movie mashups.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah. Oh that's a great title too.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Okay, all right, that's the deal. We'll do that one
for sure. I like it, though I vaguely remember that
original movie, so I don't remember the whole thing, but
I did see it. You're right, no one's asked for
this sequel.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I mean no one, not one.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, do you think that's going to do some numbers
at the box office.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It'll do a number.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It'll do a number on the box office. They're like
the box office is crashing. Yeah, it's down today. It's down.
Why because powder too, baby.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Baby, that single handedly killed the box office.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
All right, well, mine, I cannot give you the plot
summary without giving it away what movie it's for?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Okay, so I'll.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Give you the title though, after I give the plot summary.
All right, ready for this, I'm ready. Forrest Gump's son,
Forrest Junior, is all grown up and struggling to find
his place in a fast moving world filled with technology,
social media, and global turmoil. Meanwhile, Forest Senior, Tom Hanks
(20:11):
because we got to bring Tom Hanks back God, is
now in his late seventies, still as optimistic as ever,
but increasingly frustrated that life isn't as simple as a
box of chocolates anymore. When Forest Junior accidentally gets caught
up in a massive international cyber conspiracy, thinking he's just
won a sweepstakes, Forrest Senior dusts off his running shoes
(20:34):
to travel the world and save his son from a
shadowy global tech cartel. Along the way, he inadvertently reshapes
history again, accidentally founding a viral social media movement, inspiring
a space mission, and somehow bringing world peace through his
accidental invention of a new energy source. So this is
(20:56):
Forrest Gump two Gump Harder, m harder, and the tagline
is run for Us, Run again.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Is it like Ellipsis again?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah? Again again? What do you think? I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Obviously nobody wants to see Gump back. I mean, especially
at this advanced stage, beloved movie. There is a book.
I think there is a book sequel to the Forrest
Gump is and I think they were talking for a while,
like you know, in the nineties because it was such
a huge movie about making a sequel. Never did because
(21:33):
they wanted to make it good, but they obviously didn't
hear this idea.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think it has merit. You always wonder what happened
to that kid? Right you did? Yeah, he raised this kid.
So there's some innocence and naivete to the kid because
he thinks he want a sweepstake, so he gets wrapped
up in an international cyber conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Right. So will there be a lot of blood and
violence in this?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I think it's very much like the original. Okay, you
know there's gonna be like kind of humor, some you know, sassiness.
I mean, clearly Jenny's not in this one. Ironically, Forrest
Gump Junior. His love interest is Julie.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
What about Lieutenant Dan.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Oh yeah, well he's corporal Dan. Now, he just rose
through the ranks even though he was only a lieutenant.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
He just you know, yeah, honorary.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
And he's a zillionaire because he had applestock, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah. Bas Then I thought, well, I'm glad you're keeping
with the tone of the original. I thought, you know,
hearing the title Gump Harder, I thought, maybe you're gonna
go a little hard r or something. You know, yeah,
let's get some bloodshed.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
It's a little you know. I mean he's running harder.
You know, he's running to save his son's life.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He's like seventy five.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I mean, people run marathons all the time. They're like,
you know, I think there's something there and also completely unexpected, unwarranted.
We don't need it before't come too.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's got a little taken in there, it does it does?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I mean it sounds like it could be a lot
like taking. He's like, I got a special set of skills.
I'll find you and I will kill you. Uh yeah,
I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I'm on board. I like what's happening across across the board. There,
I'm into it, all right, Let's get dirty with Gump.
All right. Let me take you back to the year
twenty eleven, when a young girl institutionalized by her abusive
stepfather retreats to an alternative reality as a coping strategy
(23:42):
and envisions a plan to help her escape. I'm talking
about the movie Sucker Punch. Oh do you remember Sucker Punch? Okay, yeah,
we're both bands of this one, thirty six million at
the domestic box office. Main star was Emily Browning, but
we also had, you know, we had a very cast
on this one. We had Vanessa Hudgens, we had Oscar Isaac's,
(24:04):
we had John Ham. We were just talking about Johnny
Scott Glenn and a bunch of other familiar faces in this.
But most importantly, this was written and directed by Zack
Snyder at a sort of pivotal moment, right after he
did Watchman and right before he jumped into the DC
world on directed Man of Steel. So it's kind of
(24:26):
right in between those two movies. Twenty two percent on
Rotten Tomatoes. But there's that group of people who are
into this movie. It's kind of creative, it's visually interesting,
doesn't all work, but it's you know, it's something to watch.
The thing about Sucker Punch, the entirety of it takes
place inside this girl's head, this abuse victim who is
(24:48):
fighting through her trauma. So let's jump back in that
brain of hers for more adventures. Not only are we
going to be in her head, though, we're going to
travel down to her belly too for the sequel, Sucker
Punch to.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
The Gut, A sucker Punch to the Gut like it
more action.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
We're going to go back into this crazy world and
see if she can finally fight her way out of
this prison she's trapped in. You want to go back? Patrick?
Are you in? Are you with me? Are you going
back to sucker Punch Land?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, it's a it's intriguing concept. I do think
that it could be fun because that movie was a
weird one, very styled yeah of the time, you know,
and it was wild.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
It was like you were kind of like, what the
hell are we doing?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, and then when you're done watching it, you realize
it's kind of like it is dark and twisted, you
know what I mean when you think about like what
you just witnessed, you know, and you understand what happened.
But yeah, man, that's a I mean that could work.
That could work, And your titling is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean, that's that's where I eat.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Is that how they say it today?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You're eating it up? No, that's not it. Yeah, No,
it's really good. I like the sucker punch to the gut.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
We'll get Zach Snyder back. You know, he's been in
kind of Netflix land doing some crazy stuff, making these
like director's cuts of everything. We'll get him back, kind
of just doing this weird stuff like he used to
do back when he was good.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I love it. I love it. So sucker punch to
the gut. It's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Nobody wants it, but they're gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So I was kind of bouncing around with two different
ideas for my second one. I think they're both worthy
of an unexpected and really something no one really asked for. Right,
So I think to get the point, I need to
tell you the title of this one first and then
read the summary. So I'm going to do a little
bit backwards this time or forwards, depending on how you
(26:58):
want to look at it. So this is do you
remember the movie The Notebook, Chad.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Of course, of course, the romantic classic.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, Ryan Gosling, And now I'm trying to blank Rachel
Adams McAdams, McAdams.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, I was thinking to Amy Adams and I knew
that was wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah. So this is a sequel to the Notebook, which
no one really has for the Notebook too, Loving the Cloud. So,
just when you thought Ali and Noah's romance was timeless,
technology steps in to complicate things. After discovering a dusty
old hard drive in her late grandmother's attic, their granddaughter
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stumbles upon a shocking revelation. Ali's memories were digitally altered.
It turns out Noah's heartfelt readings weren't just bringing back
lost memories, they were implanting them. A cutting edge experiment
from the nineteen forties funded by a secret government aid agency,
had been testing memory manipulation all along. Now, as the
(28:05):
truth unravels, their granddaughter must choose except the fairy tale
or expose the past. Here's where you've got to get
ready for a sequel, Shad that will make you question
every romantic story you ever believed in.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
So the tagline to this, which you know I had
to do a tagline their love story never faded? But
what if it was never real?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Let me let me tell you what I love about this.
You've taken this cherished romance beloved by many, and not
only have you trampled on it by creating a sequel
that nobody wanted, you're also ruining the first movie by
saying it's not it never happened, which is just inspired.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I mean, you have to admit, there are people everywhere
yelling at me through their headphones in their car radios.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I can almost hear them, women and men.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean, everybody love this as a romantic movie, right,
but if you have this is the thing is it
is everything that I think sequels tend to do. They
try to be inventive, They try to do something new,
They try to like well change everything they thought they
knew about these characters, you know, because we want to
make it interesting, and then they destroy the legacy of
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those original characters in the process.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Right. Yeah, nothing worse than a sequel that like redacts
the first movie or like takes away from the thing
you actually loved and makes that less.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, but you know it adds, you know, it adds
like new elements. It adds modern day problems technology, so
it brings it up to speed with like things that
we deal with today. And it also not to sound cliche,
but kind of makes it like kind of guys movie
type of romance, like oh, science fiction.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
A little bit, you know, but also like a you know,
manipulation and gaslighting and you know you loved me, you
you definitely love me.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And it's also like our memory of something if it's manipulated.
Was that like that I don't really remember? And you
know if things were changed, how crazy would that be?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I mean it goes with the times now where people
are questioning everything, you know, even what's right in front
of them.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It makes you question reality, right sometimes.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like was there was the original notebook? Was that? I
thought it was romantic? Is it really evil?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I mean, you know, I think it has the possibility
of being a big hit. I mean I go see it,
even though nobody asked for it. When'd you be like, oh, man,
I gotta see that. I mean, what even if it's
a turd, you gotta go see it, right, I'd just be.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Interested in watching even people just flip out and response
to it.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Well, we'll see when this comes out a Notebook two.
The other one I was toying with was I don't
know if you remember the movie Phenomenon with John Travolta.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, yeah, kind of a Powder esque character as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It was kind of in the same maybe maybe in
the same few years that Powder came out.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, this must have been a thing where people are like,
you know, it's just like a slight sci fi bend.
They could just do a little bit of things or
like with their mind to have a little bit of abilities,
and they're like just changing the world a little bit
for the better.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, And that movie really brought John Travolta back.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
He had like a string of hits and that was,
you know, that was one of them.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Mm hmm. I thought it was a great movie. I
loved that movie when I was ninety six. I was
nineteen nineteen, eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
What happened to him? Did he get hit by a
star or something?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I think he like walks out of a bar at
night and he sees this light in the sky. They
never really explain it, but he passes out and he
wakes up. His memory is insane. He's super smart, super smart.
He starts to know things that he didn't know before.
He can, like he reads, he retains all the information,
he like whatever it evolves into. He starts to get
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like telepathy so he can like manipulate things with his mind.
And that's where in like people start to freak out
and he's afraid because it becomes so overpowering, and he's
also kind of getting sick. I think at the same time,
if I remember, like he kind of gets his headaches
and he's whatever, so he thinks he's dying. I don't know.
So it's a pretty good movie. But I was thinking
(32:33):
about toying with that one because I was like, does
anyone really want to see a sequel to this? You know,
it doesn't need a sequel, but I could see where
they'd be, like, yeah, does he die at the end?
I think so, yeah, so he could come back to life.
But his love interest, which is Kira Sedgwick in that
movie She Lives On. I was kind of toying with
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the idea of like what if they were having a
kid and he did and you know, and like the
kid gets these powers.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And yeah, yeah he starts doing some crazy stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I don't know anyway, I just want to end with
this because we didn't really have this planned. But speaking
of sequels, researching for the show, did you know this shad?
They are apparently in the works with creating Above the
Law too.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I did not know. Is Cigal going to be in it?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah? Above the Law too? No one's asking for this sequel?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And what's the age now? I'm Steven Sagall, Steven Sigal is.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I don't know how old is he?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Seventy two? And he looks crazy?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
He does, he does look a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I mean Above the Law was like his big hit,
right it was under Siege was his you know true? Yeah,
but those two right before that were the ones that
like broke him out.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
He had a string of three word movies.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah good. He had a real good run there.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So weird not asked for. I think that's a sequel.
Also Constantine too. I think we talked about Constantine in
a previous in a with further Ado episode, because John
Constantine Keanu Reeves plays the angel.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
That's surprising, But that one's got its fans. Yeah, not
a huge hip, but got its fans.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So apparently that's being made.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
What else you got?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
And then the third one, which I thought you would
you have to know this already because I know how
much you are a fan of the original Machete Kills
in Space. Have you heard about this? I have?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Is that real? I didn't know if that was real
or not. It's also pronounced.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Machete machete sorry for all intentsive purposes. I think this
is a real movie being made.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I believe it. I mean, Treyjo also pretty old, but
I feel like that's one you can you can do forever.
They're all kind of the same, you.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Know, yeah, I mean, I guess people would ask for that. Uh,
it's Machete the original. I did not see one hundred
percent of it until just recently, and I didn't realize.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
How crazy it was until I was until you saw
him repel out of a building with someone's intestines.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm like, okay, this is what we're doing here. Why
I didn't know that originally? I always thought it was
I knew it was a crazy killspree, but to that
extent I did not know. So anyway, I thought you
would get a kick out of those all sequels that
nobody asked for, really except for maybe Machete and Constantine too, maybe,
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But above the law I think is prime example.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
That definitely fits the bill. But they're all I think
they all fall into the category pretty good. Not necessarily
things we need, but things were getting so sure.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well, hopefully you guys all liked the sequels that nobody
asked for? Episode? Is that what we're calling this?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, that's where we're calling.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, maybe there's some that you think they should be
added to the list. Feel free to reach out. You
know the way to get a hold of us. Just
go to the website. You know you'll be able to
find it. But that's it for this episode of movies
and marketing. Until next time, let's fade to black. I'll
be back. He's not coming back.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You're on the air. Yeah, hello, longtime listener, first time caller.
I had a thought of a movie that no one
wanted a sequel to. Okay, go ahead, and I think
people do want a sequel to Above the Law. This
Steven Seagal, Oh it's not My beard's not weird? Now
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what we didn't ask you that? That John Claude Van
dam I'll kill him.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You're gonna fight him.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I don't fight traditionally. Okay, thanks for calling.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I'd pay to see that.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Ah, yeah, I feel like he'd kill him. Bandamn Bandam
would kill him, I think so. I don't know what
if Bandam has any ailments, but it seems reasonable to
think you would kill him. Opens his mouth and bites
his foot. You're pretty tasty.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You just bit my foot, man, I don't know how
Sean claudy.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Kind of bite. How karate man be so fat?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
How karate man be so fat? That's a great one liner,
that would make it.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Save that for the
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh Man.
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Saturday Nights, where's sending you back.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
To the future? Go ahead, make my day covert Now
you're crazy Dutch past. What we've got here is failure,
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, I'll right, all right, I'll right. Oh yeah,
it's always good to record a MoMA, you know, because
movies are just you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Know, what's even better than a movie? What another movie?
That is Bird from the first movie be birthed? Yeah, Bird,
a movie that comes comes out of the birth canal
of the first movie.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Mm, yeah, I mean what if it's just like a clone,
you know, it just doesn't have appears. Yeah, it doesn't
have a birth canal per se.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You don't want movies sliding out of birth canals. What
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
For the sake of this episode, I think we should
probably not use that any.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Like a clone that just shows up. Yeah, it's clean,
walks out. It looks like the first one, but it's
you know, slightly different, maybe a little dummer.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, like in multiplicity. Yeah, the fourth clone was or
was it the third clone was just an idiot?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Right, Yeah, I guess it was. It was the fourth
Michael Keaton, but the third clone.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, that's basically what happens with sequels.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, by the time you get that far, you're like,
it's like the first one just way dumber.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Which brings us back to the episode itself. Sequels no
one asked for, And this is an important topic. I
think this is more of like a PSA for the
world in general. Is that some movies just why you
don't it's not necessary. Let's not make a sequel to that, right.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, we get a lot of sequels. Some of them
people are like, give me more of that. I love
that so much, I want more. And some of them
you're just like, how did this show up here? Mm hmm?
Where did this? Where did this come from? I can't
believe this even exists.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
It's a tough topic because you know, we're generally very
positive on the show. We like to look at the
silver lining, we like to look at the pros from
any marketing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't even know if it's necessarily negative, you know,
just because you get them and you're not It could
be just unexpected, yeah, you know, or maybe like I
didn't want this, but here it is. Maybe it's good,
maybe it's bad. I didn't ask for I wasn't expecting it,
but it showed up at my door. Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And there's a lot of good ones. And there's a
lot of bad ones, right, ones that nobody asked for,
but they were fairly good sequels and others you're like, hmm, yeah,
there's a reason why that wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, before we get into it, before we dive further
into sequels no one asked for. Let's dive into a
little sequel trivia that I have for you, Patrick, because
I know how much you love trivia. I do.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm terrible at it. This year, twenty twenty five is
the year of no more trivia. We should never do
trivia again, even though we just introduced trivia every episode.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We just fully committed to trivia.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, and at the same time, my brain literally just
turned to mush.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
We always like a chance to show how not smart
we are, that we're the third clone. Yeah, but you know,
I think your trivia is ramping up.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, I did pretty good on the last episode of
whatever we recorded recently.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, that thing. Well, let's start you out with some
sequel trivia. This first one. I'm just sure you're gonna
get it, okay, positive, all right? What year was the
first movie sequel released? I got multiple choice for you here.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The first movie sequel ever?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, the first movie sequel ever? Okay, nineteen forty nine,
nineteen sixty three, nineteen twenty eight, or nineteen sixteen. Do
you need those choices again?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No? But you think I'm gonna get this? No, I
just I was gonna say, like, is there something I'm
missing here?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Because I was I was poking the bear a little bit. No,
I don't necessarily think you're gonna get this. I wouldn't
get this.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I would say you had a nineteen sixty three. Yeah,
I think it's nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is not nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Three, Okay, So nineteen twenty eight was that one of
the options.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That was one of the options. It is not nineteen
twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Wow, so is it nineteen seventy something three? Four?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
The two remaining options were nineteen forty nine and nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Nineteen forty nine, that is.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Not nineteen forty nine, It is nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Wow, I thought, how could it possibly go back that far?
Although that's the one that I think to myself that
probably makes sense, right, because we just keep reproducing things.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's a time honored tradition that goes back farther than
you think.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So, The Fall of a Nation, released in nineteen sixteen,
is considered the first feature length movie sequel. Directed and
co written by Thomas Dixon Junior, the Silent Film is
a sequel to director d W. Griffiths controversial nineteen fifteen
The Birth of a Nation. The Birth of a Nation,
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Then we got The Fall of a Nation.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah again, going back to the whole idea of birthing.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Ah. Yeah, it seems to be a recurring theme on
this episode. Yeah, all right, I got one more trivia
quest for you. This one a little easier, but not easy.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
How many direct sequels have been nominated for Best Picture
at the Academy Awards. Here are your choices, ten, six,
twenty one, or fifteen? So sequels nominated for Best Picture?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Direct sequels?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, direct sequels meaning not something loose where you're like, well,
it's kind of it had a character or something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, so that it was ten, what ten, six, twenty
one and fifteen. I'm just gonna go out and a lemon,
say it's ten ten is correct? Alright, I got it,
all right. You can still count them on your fingers,
but just barely.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, So let me give them to you.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The Bells of Saint Mary's in nineteen forty five, one
of your favorites, Patrick, the sequel to the nineteen forty
four Academy Award winner, Going My Way. Then we fast
forward to nineteen seventy four where we had The Godfather
Part two is nominated and wins. Fast forward again to
nineteen ninety The Godfather Part Three. Then we go up
(07:31):
to two thousand and two. We got The Lord of
the Rings of the Two Towers. The next year we
get The Lord of the Rings, Return of the King
twenty ten, Toy Story three, mad Max Fury Road in
twenty fifteen, Avatar The Way of Water in twenty twenty three.
That same year we have another movie.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Do you know what it is, the same year as
Avatar The Way of Water.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Twenty twenty three, d Turn Drimp, Yeah, Maverick, Top Gun Maverick.
And then finally just this past year, Dune Part two.
So that's all ten. Not surprising. Seventy percent of them
have come after the year two thousand, so we're embracing
the sequel a little more.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And those are all I guess understandable, you know, and
their popularity and also you know, they're well crafted movies.
I would say for the most part.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, those are the best of the best sequels in general.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I mean the idea for this episode though, came
about in honor of The Accountant two. Yeah, not the
account Not the account The Accountant, which is hitting theaters
in April of twenty five. We're in that year. But
if you listen to this ten years from now, you'll
be like, oh, yeah, the Accountant too. That was a
(08:49):
big Oscar winner.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
We're in part ten now.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, so The Accountant was a decent hit in twenty sixteen,
as people may or may not have remembered, making roughly
a six million domestic one hundred and fifty five million worldwide.
But as we've talked about, we're not sure if people
were really clamoring for a sequel to this, right.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Maybe maybe in like an business office, people were like,
we need another accountant.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, that you probably more likely hear than people saying
that they needed another one of these movies. But you know,
it's pretty good. Ben Affleck was pretty good in that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, it's entertaining.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And then Den of Thieves is another one that's coming
out this year. The first movie was released in twenty eighteen,
made forty four million domestic eighty million worldwide, and then
it gained a bigger following over time. Like people, you know,
it's just one of those things. It sits around, people
are streaming, it's on cable, streaming and cable. Who even
has cable anymore?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But now they're coming out with the Den of Thieves
Pantera in it already came out. Oh did it come out?
Oh it's in the theaters right now?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It was not in January, yeat, So it's not in
the theaters.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I mean it might still be in the theaters.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It's in some theater somewhere right now.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You clearly saw it.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah. Again, the colon's and the name drives me a
little crazy. Den of Thieves Colon Pantera.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's like they just you know, I should have called
it Den of Thieves Colon Alice in Chains.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Alison chairs Den of Thieves Colon Sound Garden. Okay, I'm
in it. I'm in it for that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
If they keep naming the movies like that, mm hmm,
I'm into it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So what do you think of all this? What do
you think are some of the most surprising puzzling sequels
of all time?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I guess I think it's kind of interesting when movies
you're like, oh, I wasn't expecting a sequel there. I
guess I shouldn't be surprised that we get sequels to
everything now, but that's the world we live in. They're
trying to make everything a franchise, no matter even if
it's small. You know, they're like, ah, this is kind
of build up a little fan base. Let's make see
if we can make ten of these, which is pretty
(11:02):
interesting to me now because we don't even have like,
you know, the direct to video market they used to
do this with. They'd be like, ah, it's a hit
on video. Let's let's make twelve direct to video versions
of that. We don't really have direct to video anymore,
so it's surprising we get as many of these as
we do. But trying to think of, like, okay, what's
what are some of the like bizarrest or most unexpected
(11:24):
sequels of all time. The first one that popped in
my head was Weekend at Bernie's two. That was a movie.
I was like, ow, okay, they walked around with the
dead guy. This has resolved. They're not bringing the dead
guy back. But they did. They brought the dead guy back.
They found a way to like do it. It was like,
you know, one of those like mild comedy hits. I
(11:45):
did not expect a part two to that. They've found
a pretty weird way to make a part two to that.
So that's kind of the one that pops out to
my in my head. First. I have a few others.
What do you think of when you think of like
kind of a weird or sequel.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
There's a lot of weird ones. I was thinking about
The Whole ten Yards, which was a sequel to The
Whole nine Yards. The Whole nine Yards was kind of
brilliant in the fact that it was just this fun
little comedy that nobody really expected, and then the Whole
ten Yards it was like, why the other one had success,
so they just made another one. I mean, I'm not
(12:22):
knocking the name though, at least it had a name,
you know, it wasn't The Whole nine Yards too, Yeah,
Electric Boovoloo.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They went up one. That's a great example, though, because
that's one of those movies where the first one zero
expectations for In fact, you looked at it and you're like, well,
this looks like pure garbage, and then you saw it
and you're like, ah, that's much better than I thought
it was gonna be. Yeah, and you left the theater
and you were pretty happy. And then you see there's
like a part two, and you're like that, no, absolutely
(12:51):
no reason we need.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
That zero zero reason. Just let the other one be
what it was and be maybe in some cases genius
the original. Let it live on its own, you know,
so good because of that. Let's not taint it with
a sequel, right.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, or rooted. I think in maybe both these cases
of like Weekend at Bernie's and The Whole nine Yards,
you have something that's kind of like a surprise hit,
not even a huge hit, but you're just like, this
didn't suck, and we made a little money off of it,
and then you got to like push it a little
farther when you should probably just leave it alone and
be happy you got like that much, because by all accounts,
(13:33):
you should have fell flat on your face with that.
For the record, though, we can at Bernie's too kind
of amazing in its own way. Yeah, just because it's
so bizarre and unexpected, and that's you know. I think
maybe what we'll get to a little bit as we
step into the role of pitching some sequels that nobody
asked for, you know, as we walk into this room,
this office, and try to get these executives to buy
(13:56):
into these movie ideas here in a second.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, so we're each going to share two movies or
two ideas for sequels, two movies no one would ever
expect or necessarily want.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Did you have a method to this? Did you have
an approach to this? I'm pretty interested in this because
I went into this and I thought this was going
to be pretty simple. But I found this to be
harder than I thought. The reason being, as we kind
of mentioned everything and anything is kind of sequelized. Now.
To try to figure out what to pick, as I
often do, I had to make some rules here. I
had to have some criteria. So my first was I
(14:32):
wasn't going to pick a big hit because those automatically
get sequels like Speed. It made sense it got a
sequel because Speed, like was a huge money maker. So
I tried to look for movies that didn't make that
much money. Something like under forty million is kind of
where I was going for. And the other thing, I
was staying away from horror movies because I also thought,
(14:52):
I'm like people just accept like, you know, Priday the
thirteenth is going to get ten sequels, you know, or
something like any horror movie you can get at like
five sequels. So that was I was like, Okay, I'm
gonna try to steer clear of those. And then I
was just in general, like trying to steer clear of
movies that have are still in like the conversation, you know,
(15:14):
like something like Goonies that people are still like talking
about or thinking about after like forty years. You know,
I'm not necessarily looking like at that. I'm looking at
something that's more forgotten. People are like, oh, yeah, that
was a movie. That's kind of what I'm going for
When I'm thinking about sequels. No one asked for thinking
of something that was like a mild hit at the time,
or you know, maybe not even a hit and not
(15:36):
necessarily talked about too much now and not in the
horror genre.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah. Mine, mine were just total absurdity.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Does it feel right?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah? It had to be something that you just would
not expect for any number of reasons. And I probably
will get into it when yeah, kid of them.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
All right, were you ready to do this?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, let's jump in.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
All right. Let me start first. Let me take you
back to the year nineteen ninety five when an off
the charts genius who is homeschooled and shunned after his
last relative dies, shows the unconscious residence of his town
about connection, awareness and the generosity of the spirit. You're like,
(16:20):
what the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about Powder?
Do you remember Powder? Yeah, pale albino dude maybe had
some supernatural powers. I'm not sure. I'll be honest, I
never really saw this movie. I just know the guy Powder.
We used to make jokes about him, you know, tell
people they looked like Powder. This movie made thirty million dollars. Domestic,
(16:42):
starred Mary stein Bergen and Jeff Goldbloom in supporting roles,
has a very disturbing fact associated with it. It was
revealed halfway through production that writer, director Victor Salva had
been convicted for child molestation several years earlier, which created
created controversy and probably led to this movie, you know,
(17:04):
disappearing in time even more than it has fifty percent
on Rotten Tomatoes, the ultimate mid ranking where people are like, yeah,
maybe it's good, maybe it's bad. You know, nobody thought
it was great. No, we thought it was awful. But
what I'm positing is now, thirty years later, Powder returns
to the town where he once showed up and caused
(17:26):
such a clamor to again teach them about the generosity
of the spirit. But this time, to the surprise of everyone,
including Jeff Goldbloom, he has a baby with him. That's right,
the title of this movie Powder two Baby Powder, baby Powder,
baby Powder. Yes, are you buying a ticket? Patrick? Can
(17:48):
I get you in on that?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I mean, I like the name. I will say I
like the name.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Powder two colon baby powder.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Baby Powder. Yeah, so it feels right if you could
direct it similar to Baby Driver.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But yeah, that'd be great. It's all kind of musical.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It's musical, you know, it's like, you know, maybe he's
a getaway driver. Maybe he is this little albino baby
baby powder. It's like a sequel to Baby Driver.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh, it's both. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I mean if it could be a sequel to two
different movies decades apart from each other.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean, that's fantastic that it ties into something I
was playing with but that I didn't actually think could work.
It didn't quite fit with a sequel that no one wanted.
But for a while I was playing with the idea
of Grumpy Old White Men Can't Jump as sort of
a requel and remake in one, and I just didn't
think it quite fit this idea. But I'm like, that's
(18:48):
it's pretty good. Someone should probably use that. So we
should save that for another show, which is movie combinations.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, movie mashups.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah. Oh that's a great title too.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Okay, all right, that's the deal. We'll do that one
for sure. I like it, though I vaguely remember that
original movie, so I don't remember the whole thing, but
I did see it. You're right, no one's asked for
this sequel.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I mean no one, not one.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, do you think that's going to do some numbers
at the box office.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It'll do a number.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It'll do a number on the box office. They're like
the box office is crashing. Yeah, it's down today. It's down.
Why because powder too, baby.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Baby, that single handedly killed the box office.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
All right, well, mine, I cannot give you the plot
summary without giving it away what movie it's for?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Okay, so I'll.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Give you the title though, after I give the plot summary.
All right, ready for this, I'm ready. Forrest Gump's son,
Forrest Junior, is all grown up and struggling to find
his place in a fast moving world filled with technology,
social media, and global turmoil. Meanwhile, Forest Senior, Tom Hanks
(20:11):
because we got to bring Tom Hanks back God, is
now in his late seventies, still as optimistic as ever,
but increasingly frustrated that life isn't as simple as a
box of chocolates anymore. When Forest Junior accidentally gets caught
up in a massive international cyber conspiracy, thinking he's just
won a sweepstakes, Forrest Senior dusts off his running shoes
(20:34):
to travel the world and save his son from a
shadowy global tech cartel. Along the way, he inadvertently reshapes
history again, accidentally founding a viral social media movement, inspiring
a space mission, and somehow bringing world peace through his
accidental invention of a new energy source. So this is
(20:56):
Forrest Gump two Gump Harder, m harder, and the tagline
is run for Us, Run again.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Is it like Ellipsis again?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah? Again again? What do you think? I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Obviously nobody wants to see Gump back. I mean, especially
at this advanced stage, beloved movie. There is a book.
I think there is a book sequel to the Forrest
Gump is and I think they were talking for a while,
like you know, in the nineties because it was such
a huge movie about making a sequel. Never did because
(21:33):
they wanted to make it good, but they obviously didn't
hear this idea.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think it has merit. You always wonder what happened
to that kid? Right you did? Yeah, he raised this kid.
So there's some innocence and naivete to the kid because
he thinks he want a sweepstake, so he gets wrapped
up in an international cyber conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Right. So will there be a lot of blood and
violence in this?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I think it's very much like the original. Okay, you
know there's gonna be like kind of humor, some you know, sassiness.
I mean, clearly Jenny's not in this one. Ironically, Forrest
Gump Junior. His love interest is Julie.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
What about Lieutenant Dan.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Oh yeah, well he's corporal Dan. Now, he just rose
through the ranks even though he was only a lieutenant.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
He just you know, yeah, honorary.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
And he's a zillionaire because he had applestock, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah. Bas Then I thought, well, I'm glad you're keeping
with the tone of the original. I thought, you know,
hearing the title Gump Harder, I thought, maybe you're gonna
go a little hard r or something. You know, yeah,
let's get some bloodshed.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
It's a little you know. I mean he's running harder.
You know, he's running to save his son's life.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He's like seventy five.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I mean, people run marathons all the time. They're like,
you know, I think there's something there and also completely unexpected, unwarranted.
We don't need it before't come too.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's got a little taken in there, it does it does?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I mean it sounds like it could be a lot
like taking. He's like, I got a special set of skills.
I'll find you and I will kill you. Uh yeah,
I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I'm on board. I like what's happening across across the board. There,
I'm into it, all right, Let's get dirty with Gump.
All right. Let me take you back to the year
twenty eleven, when a young girl institutionalized by her abusive
stepfather retreats to an alternative reality as a coping strategy
(23:42):
and envisions a plan to help her escape. I'm talking
about the movie Sucker Punch. Oh do you remember Sucker Punch? Okay, yeah,
we're both bands of this one, thirty six million at
the domestic box office. Main star was Emily Browning, but
we also had, you know, we had a very cast
on this one. We had Vanessa Hudgens, we had Oscar Isaac's,
(24:04):
we had John Ham. We were just talking about Johnny
Scott Glenn and a bunch of other familiar faces in this.
But most importantly, this was written and directed by Zack
Snyder at a sort of pivotal moment, right after he
did Watchman and right before he jumped into the DC
world on directed Man of Steel. So it's kind of
(24:26):
right in between those two movies. Twenty two percent on
Rotten Tomatoes. But there's that group of people who are
into this movie. It's kind of creative, it's visually interesting,
doesn't all work, but it's you know, it's something to watch.
The thing about Sucker Punch, the entirety of it takes
place inside this girl's head, this abuse victim who is
(24:48):
fighting through her trauma. So let's jump back in that
brain of hers for more adventures. Not only are we
going to be in her head, though, we're going to
travel down to her belly too for the sequel, Sucker
Punch to.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
The Gut, A sucker Punch to the Gut like it
more action.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
We're going to go back into this crazy world and
see if she can finally fight her way out of
this prison she's trapped in. You want to go back? Patrick?
Are you in? Are you with me? Are you going
back to sucker Punch Land?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, it's a it's intriguing concept. I do think
that it could be fun because that movie was a
weird one, very styled yeah of the time, you know,
and it was wild.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
It was like you were kind of like, what the
hell are we doing?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, and then when you're done watching it, you realize
it's kind of like it is dark and twisted, you
know what I mean when you think about like what
you just witnessed, you know, and you understand what happened.
But yeah, man, that's a I mean that could work.
That could work, And your titling is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean, that's that's where I eat.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Is that how they say it today?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You're eating it up? No, that's not it. Yeah, No,
it's really good. I like the sucker punch to the gut.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
We'll get Zach Snyder back. You know, he's been in
kind of Netflix land doing some crazy stuff, making these
like director's cuts of everything. We'll get him back, kind
of just doing this weird stuff like he used to
do back when he was good.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I love it. I love it. So sucker punch to
the gut. It's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Nobody wants it, but they're gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So I was kind of bouncing around with two different
ideas for my second one. I think they're both worthy
of an unexpected and really something no one really asked for. Right,
So I think to get the point, I need to
tell you the title of this one first and then
read the summary. So I'm going to do a little
bit backwards this time or forwards, depending on how you
(26:58):
want to look at it. So this is do you
remember the movie The Notebook, Chad.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Of course, of course, the romantic classic.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, Ryan Gosling, And now I'm trying to blank Rachel
Adams McAdams, McAdams.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, I was thinking to Amy Adams and I knew
that was wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah. So this is a sequel to the Notebook, which
no one really has for the Notebook too, Loving the Cloud. So,
just when you thought Ali and Noah's romance was timeless,
technology steps in to complicate things. After discovering a dusty
old hard drive in her late grandmother's attic, their granddaughter
(27:40):
stumbles upon a shocking revelation. Ali's memories were digitally altered.
It turns out Noah's heartfelt readings weren't just bringing back
lost memories, they were implanting them. A cutting edge experiment
from the nineteen forties funded by a secret government aid agency,
had been testing memory manipulation all along. Now, as the
(28:05):
truth unravels, their granddaughter must choose except the fairy tale
or expose the past. Here's where you've got to get
ready for a sequel, Shad that will make you question
every romantic story you ever believed in.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
So the tagline to this, which you know I had
to do a tagline their love story never faded? But
what if it was never real?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Let me let me tell you what I love about this.
You've taken this cherished romance beloved by many, and not
only have you trampled on it by creating a sequel
that nobody wanted, you're also ruining the first movie by
saying it's not it never happened, which is just inspired.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I mean, you have to admit, there are people everywhere
yelling at me through their headphones in their car radios.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I can almost hear them, women and men.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean, everybody love this as a romantic movie, right,
but if you have this is the thing is it
is everything that I think sequels tend to do. They
try to be inventive, They try to do something new,
They try to like well change everything they thought they
knew about these characters, you know, because we want to
make it interesting, and then they destroy the legacy of
(29:28):
those original characters in the process.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Right. Yeah, nothing worse than a sequel that like redacts
the first movie or like takes away from the thing
you actually loved and makes that less.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, but you know it adds, you know, it adds
like new elements. It adds modern day problems technology, so
it brings it up to speed with like things that
we deal with today. And it also not to sound cliche,
but kind of makes it like kind of guys movie
type of romance, like oh, science fiction.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
A little bit, you know, but also like a you know,
manipulation and gaslighting and you know you loved me, you
you definitely love me.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And it's also like our memory of something if it's manipulated.
Was that like that I don't really remember? And you
know if things were changed, how crazy would that be?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I mean it goes with the times now where people
are questioning everything, you know, even what's right in front
of them.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It makes you question reality, right sometimes.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like was there was the original notebook? Was that? I
thought it was romantic? Is it really evil?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I mean, you know, I think it has the possibility
of being a big hit. I mean I go see it,
even though nobody asked for it. When'd you be like, oh, man,
I gotta see that. I mean, what even if it's
a turd, you gotta go see it, right, I'd just be.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Interested in watching even people just flip out and response
to it.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Well, we'll see when this comes out a Notebook two.
The other one I was toying with was I don't
know if you remember the movie Phenomenon with John Travolta.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, yeah, kind of a Powder esque character as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It was kind of in the same maybe maybe in
the same few years that Powder came out.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, this must have been a thing where people are like,
you know, it's just like a slight sci fi bend.
They could just do a little bit of things or
like with their mind to have a little bit of abilities,
and they're like just changing the world a little bit
for the better.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, And that movie really brought John Travolta back.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
He had like a string of hits and that was,
you know, that was one of them.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Mm hmm. I thought it was a great movie. I
loved that movie when I was ninety six. I was
nineteen nineteen, eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
What happened to him? Did he get hit by a
star or something?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I think he like walks out of a bar at
night and he sees this light in the sky. They
never really explain it, but he passes out and he
wakes up. His memory is insane. He's super smart, super smart.
He starts to know things that he didn't know before.
He can, like he reads, he retains all the information,
he like whatever it evolves into. He starts to get
(32:11):
like telepathy so he can like manipulate things with his mind.
And that's where in like people start to freak out
and he's afraid because it becomes so overpowering, and he's
also kind of getting sick. I think at the same time,
if I remember, like he kind of gets his headaches
and he's whatever, so he thinks he's dying. I don't know.
So it's a pretty good movie. But I was thinking
(32:33):
about toying with that one because I was like, does
anyone really want to see a sequel to this? You know,
it doesn't need a sequel, but I could see where
they'd be, like, yeah, does he die at the end?
I think so, yeah, so he could come back to life.
But his love interest, which is Kira Sedgwick in that
movie She Lives On. I was kind of toying with
(32:55):
the idea of like what if they were having a
kid and he did and you know, and like the
kid gets these powers.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And yeah, yeah he starts doing some crazy stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I don't know anyway, I just want to end with
this because we didn't really have this planned. But speaking
of sequels, researching for the show, did you know this shad?
They are apparently in the works with creating Above the
Law too.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I did not know. Is Cigal going to be in it?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah? Above the Law too? No one's asking for this sequel?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And what's the age now? I'm Steven Sagall, Steven Sigal is.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I don't know how old is he?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Seventy two? And he looks crazy?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
He does, he does look a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I mean Above the Law was like his big hit,
right it was under Siege was his you know true? Yeah,
but those two right before that were the ones that
like broke him out.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
He had a string of three word movies.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah good. He had a real good run there.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So weird not asked for. I think that's a sequel.
Also Constantine too. I think we talked about Constantine in
a previous in a with further Ado episode, because John
Constantine Keanu Reeves plays the angel.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
That's surprising, But that one's got its fans. Yeah, not
a huge hip, but got its fans.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So apparently that's being made.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
What else you got?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
And then the third one, which I thought you would
you have to know this already because I know how
much you are a fan of the original Machete Kills
in Space. Have you heard about this? I have?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Is that real? I didn't know if that was real
or not. It's also pronounced.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Machete machete sorry for all intentsive purposes. I think this
is a real movie being made.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I believe it. I mean, Treyjo also pretty old, but
I feel like that's one you can you can do forever.
They're all kind of the same, you.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Know, yeah, I mean, I guess people would ask for that. Uh,
it's Machete the original. I did not see one hundred
percent of it until just recently, and I didn't realize.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
How crazy it was until I was until you saw
him repel out of a building with someone's intestines.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm like, okay, this is what we're doing here. Why
I didn't know that originally? I always thought it was
I knew it was a crazy killspree, but to that
extent I did not know. So anyway, I thought you
would get a kick out of those all sequels that
nobody asked for, really except for maybe Machete and Constantine too, maybe,
(35:35):
But above the law I think is prime example.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
That definitely fits the bill. But they're all I think
they all fall into the category pretty good. Not necessarily
things we need, but things were getting so sure.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well, hopefully you guys all liked the sequels that nobody
asked for? Episode? Is that what we're calling this?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, that's where we're calling.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, maybe there's some that you think they should be
added to the list. Feel free to reach out. You
know the way to get a hold of us. Just
go to the website. You know you'll be able to
find it. But that's it for this episode of movies
and marketing. Until next time, let's fade to black. I'll
be back. He's not coming back.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You're on the air. Yeah, hello, longtime listener, first time caller.
I had a thought of a movie that no one
wanted a sequel to. Okay, go ahead, and I think
people do want a sequel to Above the Law. This
Steven Seagal, Oh it's not My beard's not weird? Now
(36:39):
what we didn't ask you that? That John Claude Van
dam I'll kill him.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You're gonna fight him.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I don't fight traditionally. Okay, thanks for calling.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I'd pay to see that.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Ah, yeah, I feel like he'd kill him. Bandamn Bandam
would kill him, I think so. I don't know what
if Bandam has any ailments, but it seems reasonable to
think you would kill him. Opens his mouth and bites
his foot. You're pretty tasty.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You just bit my foot, man, I don't know how
Sean claudy.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Kind of bite. How karate man be so fat?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
How karate man be so fat? That's a great one liner,
that would make it.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Save that for the
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh Man.
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