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In a world where movies rely onmarketing more than ever to connect with the
audiences, one podcast aims to makesense of it all. This is movies
and marketing. Next Saturday Night,where's sending that to the future? Go
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What we've got here is failure Milgate. Take a look around. We're gonna
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app I agent. So on today'sepisode, we're talking about not just the
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movie Solar Babies, which is byand far one of the best ridiculous names
for an apocalyptic movie, but we'realso talking about post apocalyptic future movies.
Right, Yeah, we're talking aboutall those things. I mean, just
the fact alone we're talking about solarbabies. People might think this as a
joke. Are they really talking aboutsolar babies? Is solar babies a real
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thing? These might be questions you'reasking yourself right now, and those would
be good questions. We don't evenknow why we're talking about solar babies.
It's unwarranted, it's uncalled for.It's not something that I want to admit,
probably, but I do have fondmemories of this movie. This movie
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was a big part of childhood forthose in maybe my age group who grew
up with HBO, because as muchas this movie did not do very well
in the theater, it did wonderson HBO. It's definitely one of those
movies. It was like wallpaper.If you grew up in that time period,
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you knew it. It was likealways kind of hanging out in the
back drop. Yet somehow it's oneof these things. It was like ubiquitous
at the time, but now it'slike totally lost. If you asked anybody
under the age of probably thirty,have you heard of Solar Babies, they'd
be like, no. It's probablybecause it hasn't got the Netflix bump.
It's barely available on streaming other thanthe free sites because nobody is interested in
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it. Yeah, nobody's gonna payfor this. Nobody's shelling out cash for
Solar Babies. I mean that totallytracks. But the other reason, I
think it's always fun to look ata potential future as it was envisioned forty
almost forty years ago, because thismovie is almost forty years old, right,
Yeah, a couple of years,you know, nineteen eighty six it
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came out, So we're just acouple of years from the big fortieth anniversary
that everybody's going to be celebrating.That's hard to imagine. I feel like
this movie being forty years old,even though it definitely if you watched it,
you would go, yeah, thatmovie looks forty years old, maybe
eighty maybe eighty years It's a silentfilm, you know. So let's talk
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a little bit about solar Babies atthe box office, because you know,
I think that we should at leastdiscuss the fact that there is reasons why
most people haven't heard of this movie. It's not like it was a big
deal back in the day. Now, as you mentioned, a big HBO,
big video movie, not necessarily abig movie theater. Movie came out
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November twenty sixth, nineteen eighty six, grossed a paltry one point five million
domestic That was good to make itthe one hundred and sixtieth highest grossing movie
of the year. Pretty pretty sad, pretty low down on the totem pole.
But there's a pretty good story behindthis box office bomb. The movie
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surprisingly produced by mel Brooks, BlazingSad, Young Frankenstein, Space Balls you
might know this guy from supposed tobe a five million budgeted movie, meant
to capitalize on the popularity of StarWars. But the budget kept ballooning,
you know, shoot, kept goingover ends up a twenty five million.
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Brooks had to put up millions ofhis own money get a second mortgage on
his house to get the movie finished. Then it came out totally tanked.
But a year later, Brooks comesout with Spaceballs, his Star Wars parody.
Yeah, is it a coincidence?Are these two events connected well?
And that becomes a cult classic,right, a favorite amongst the fans,
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the melt Brooks fans especially, butjust fans in general. I think everybody
references Spaceballs to some degree, alot more than Solar Babies. But you
have to wonder, if he wasn'tburned by this movie, would he have
made that movie? You know,you kind of wonder did some of that
have to do with the name,Did it have to do with the launch?
The release date was November twenty sixth. What is that Thanksgiving Day?
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I mean it is you know,like, yeah, who releases that movie?
Maybe they thought it was a potentialOscar nominee. I don't know.
Yeah, I mean you should haveknown that was a dud. The tagline
for the movie who Will Rule theFuture? Uh, you know, kind
of wishy washy liked the name.What does that tell you? I don't
know. I did pull up thedescription. In a post apocalyptic future ruled
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by the military, a group ofrenegade teen orphans find a legendary orb Bo
Die now body Bo Die, thatcan supposedly bring the rain back to dried
up Earth. I think the realclencher there is renegade teenage orphans. Yeah,
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that's the part that got me.If they were just teen orphans,
fine, but the fact that they'rerenegades. Yeah, the biggest problem that
I have with that whole description isnowhere in there does it mention that they
roller skate everywhere. I don't knowif they take off their roller skates at
any point in the movie. Dothey? I mean, I'm sure they
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do, but who cares? Theyjust don't have superpowers when they are roller
skate less. Well, they're mortal. Then another thing, you know,
we get bod Eye in this movie. A few years later we get Body
and Point Break. Yeah, bothsage like beings, you know, helping
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to impart us with wisdom and elevatehumanity coincidence, and both have James la
Grosse who played Roach. Oh yeah, it's a great point. You can't
deny. There's just too many starsaligning universal coincidences going on there. Yeah.
Roach is much different in this moviethan he is in Point Break.
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He h a a little nerdier,he's like the science guy. Yeah,
and he's super young, super young. If we're just reflecting on this movie,
just a little bit of reflection,right, because we're not exactly sure
why we're doing the episode on thismovie, and I think that there is
something too reflecting on a movie thathas some meaning to you, which it
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does for both of us. Youknow, we've talked about this on the
episodes. Before HBO was a bigpart of our lives growing up. They
would replay movies over and over andover and over and over again, to
the point where those movies become apart of our subconscious whether we like it
or not. Solar Babies is oneof those movies, right, plastered like
you said, wallpaper. But ifwe're reflecting, what do you remember most
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about this movie? So I gotthree things, and a couple of them
we already kind of hit on.Number one without a doubt is the skating.
There's some sci fi, there's someaction. A lot of that stuff
was similar to, you know,what was going on in other movies at
the time, But this movie hadkids on skates. So when I think
about Solar Babies, I automatic thinkof, you know, renegade teen orphans
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on skates. The second thing Ithink of is it goes without saying the
title. This title, to me, I always thought at the time was
kind of blame. I still thinkit's kind of blame. It's never really
explained in the movie what it meansthey're the solar babies. I don't know
why they're called the solar babies.Maybe I missed that part of the mythology.
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It always made me think of thecandy the sugar babies, and then
the third piece of that is theVHS box art. This to me,
was a perennial video store movie,where before Blockbuster, we had a small
video store and I would just walkaround looking for things, and I would
always see solar babies staring back atme. I'd be like, Ah,
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I get out of here, solarbabies, don't. I don't want to
brench you. But I can remember, you know, seeing the name and
the way the font looks, whichis very specific for Solar Babies. The
oways kind of like a planet,and there's just almost like a shadows of
the Renegade kids, you know,against this glowing thing in the sky.
So I can picture that. VHSbox are pretty good. Those are my
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memories of Solar Babies. Yeah,and I mean, I'll just tack on
to what you're saying there, youknow, the roller skates. I think
for me, what I remember mostis deep down at that age, I
knew I would die in the future. It was my first glimpse at mortality
because I was just a kid,but I couldn't roller skate very well,
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and I knew that I would dieif this was the future that I was
going to be living in. Yeah, right, so roller skating it was
scary. It was scary to me, this Solar Baby's idea of you know,
this future that they lived in.That's a good point. I wonder
if I liked the movie less becauseI was not. If I was like
a good skater, I might havebeen like, bring it on, let's
Solar Baby. This I idolized thefact that they could do it so well.
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I was like, man, Idon't know how they do that,
because I can't do that, youknow. So they were in a lot
of ways like superheroes, like yousaid, without their skates, they were
just mortals. With them, theycould jump over huge, huge, vast
band between a broken down bridge,right, but you know, a motorcycle
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can't make it. It just goesright off the edge. No, no,
it doesn't have to juice. Yeah, this is actually literally a scene
from the movie. By the way, also a planet with little to no
water. There's a social commentary.I think that's happening here. You know,
the Protectorate, which is this militarygroup whatever who's in control of the
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water that remains and basically controls peoplebecause of it to make a better universe
or whatever it is that they're doing, like Nazis. Yeah, essentially,
that part to me was always kindof a bleak future, you know,
this idea of a vast wasteland,and yet there's this concept of hope in
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the movie The Sphere, which ina lot of ways reminded me of batteries
not included. Yeah, this beingfrom another world comes in, you know,
gives us hope and potentially can bringback water, which in my mind
as a child, I was like, that's pretty cool. Transform our earth
back to the way it should havebeen, like the way I know it
now. That's pretty neat. Sothose are the big things, But it's
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the skates man, go back tothe skates. If you take the skates
out of the movie, would anybodywould we be talking about it now?
Would anybody remember this movie at all? Or would it just be completely erased
for our memories? I don't thinkwe'd be talking about it, just wouldn't
be very memorable. Well, let'stalk about the future, the future of
solar babies. You kind of hiton it a little bit. What do
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you think stands out about the futurespecifically as it's depicted in this movie.
This this idea of protectorate, right, this dictatorship, this military note regime.
And there's someone with their thumb onsociety, or at least a portion
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of society, which makes them eviland you have to overcome them. So
you know, that's the Hollywood trope, I think. But that's the thing
that stands out the most to me. I don't know if anything actually stands
out when I think about it.It's like a mix of a whole bunch
of different futures we had already seenin other movies, you know, kind
of put together, which wasn't uncommon. You know, the eighties was filled
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with these movies that were geared towardkids or young people that had a sci
fi slant, which were kind ofmish mashes of mythologies where it was a
little bit of dumb and cheesy,but you know, it was original in
the sense it wasn't stealing totally fromone thing. It was stealing from a
bunch of other things and just stitchingthem together. You know, in this
case, you have a dried outworld with no water, kind of like
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Mad Max, and you've got afascist ruler with stormtroopers like Star Wars,
and then the kids play game onskates like Rollerball, and then like you
mentioned, there's like this otherworldly thingyou said, batteries not included. I
even think it's kind of like CloseEncounters or Star Wars a little bit.
It's like taking all these things together. So it felt familiar, but you
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know, it's kind of like,hey, it's our own thing. It's
solar babies. Man. I canimagine the pitch even, you know,
it's gonna be like all these moviesand you just keep tacking on stuff until
people's eyes light up, like,oh, well, if you've got Matt
Max in there, that's that's mycup of tea. And some of the
other guys like, oh, StarWars. I like Star Wars. It's
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Star Wars meets mad Max. Buton skates. Oh, the kids are
gonna love the skates. You know. Sold do you think today you would
recommend this movie to people? Ican't in good conscience. If you didn't
watch this in the eighties, Icannot imagine you enjoying or even making much
sense of this as a first timewatch now. I just can't. I
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can't see somebody watching it and beinglike that, I love that. That
was good. Yeah, good thingsin it, you know, And I
could talk about those, but Ican't just recon be like, go watch
this, you're gonna like it.What do you think? I'm with you
one hundred percent. I would suggestwatching the one minute and fifty second trailer
and IMDb. It'll give you everythingyou need to know about the movie,
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along with this podcast. You know, don't go watch the movie, Just
do that and you'll be fine.So on that note, let me share
a few things that I thought were, you know, good. There's some
parts of this I think even melBrooks said, He's like, I watched
half of it and I thought itwas a masterpiece, and the other half
I thought was the worst movie I'veever seen. And that's kind of what
it is. But not you know, it's not one half in the second
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half. It's all kind of mixedtogether, so you don't really know what
you're gonna get from scene to sceneif you're trying to like follow the story
and like make sense of it.It doesn't always sit here together, like
they go off in places and you'relike, how did we get here?
But again, there's some good thingsgoing on here. I think one of
them is we get some good dirtyeighties future technology in there. You know,
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there's like robots and the way peopledress, you know, show me
people in like dirty uniforms, alittle like punk looking or steampunk looking.
I'm always on board with that stuff. Another thing, the cheesiness we've gotten
so far from cheese now, youknow, everything, even like kids movies
have to have so much edge andbe like about trauma. It's refreshing kind
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of to watch something that has noneof that. There's no edge to this.
It's not trying to be like darkin any way. There's no sarcasm
to anything. It's just like purecheese, but not like knowing our winking
cheese. It's just like this isyou know, this is it, and
we just don't make that anymore.So it's kind of fun to watch something
like that. Every decade or everygeneration has that where they look back and
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they go, they were so muchsimpler back then, you know, And
it wasn't until the nineties we gotto everything was ironic and meta and we
really started analyzing thing and putting thingsthrough the microscope. And then obviously the
Internet changed how we like look atand talk about everything. Yeah. The
third thing, you know, Ithought was good was Jamie Gertz as he
talked about I'm not one of thebiggest actresses of the decade, but a
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good, solid eighties actress. Ilooked up her nineteen eighties IMDb and it's
pretty good. She starts off withguest spots on Different Strokes, The Facts
of Life and Family Ties, hasa small role in Sixteen Candles. Then
she's in Quicksilver, the Bike Messengermovie with Kevin Bacon. Yeah, then
she rattles off Solar Babies, LostBoys, and less than Zero does Listen
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to Me with Kirk Cameron, andthen closes out the eighties in the movie
Renegades with Keifer Suttland and lou DiamondPhillips. That's a pretty eighties resume right
there, you know what I mean, It's pretty solid and yet and yet
I'm not knocking on anybody. I'mreally not kind of forgettable. Which of
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those roles would you be? Like? That's her signature role, right,
I remember her in The Lost Boysprobably the most. I don't know why,
maybe because that was most successful outof any of those movies. But
again, just like good run andyou know, hey, kudos that she
was very successful, but kind offorgettable in that way. And I think
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people might argue with that. Ithink there's a lot of actors that are
like that. You know, theyhave a good small run and then you're
like, whatever happened to that person? Yeah, and she's appeared in things
since then. She was in Twister, but yeah, she had a good
run for a while and I thinkyou know, she's was prominent, but
yeah, never quite it never wentto that next level, and now she's
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married to a billionaire and she's like, I'm forgettable. I'm forgettable. She's
gonna crush this Who Are Money Guy? Podcast? So all this post apocalyptic
future talk, we thought we wouldpull some others out of the woodwork,
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you know, especially since the eightieshad so many of them. Eighties and
nineties. We thought it'd share acouple of burned out visions of the future
from the film World of Yesteryear.So what movie would you say? It
has to take place in a postapocalyptic future. Obviously, and preferably I
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think it should be mandated. Itneeds to be from the eighties or nineties,
well mine, You know, youcould say the either the end of
the eighties or the beginning of thenineties, depending on how you look at
it. The year nineteen nineties,okay, and the postalocalyptic future in this
one a little different, This Underseengem. I'm sure you you probably know
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about it, but I'm not sureour listeners do. The movie Class of
nineteen ninety nine. Do you rememberthis movie? Do you know of this
movie at all? I vaguely rememberthat name, and I don't know why.
I'm sure probably because I saw it. Yeah, this, I think
is a much better movie than SolarBabies, probably you know, a tenth
of the budget. So this moviestarts with a robot voiceover telling us that
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many big cities across the country havebeen taken over by gangs of wild teens.
And we see a Seattle with burnedout cars, gun toting punk teens
ruling the street, new drugs spreading, And that's not even the plot of
the movie. Let me give youthe synopsis from IMDb, as we like
to do. Three ex military robotsare reprogrammed as teachers and secretly placed in
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a school where most students are partof organized gangs. They begin to respond
violently to unruly students, and theirmilitary training starts to take over. I
love movies like this that take placein not a super far off future,
but it's just kind of the nearfuture where things are just like they are
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now, but a little more screwedup. Yeah, like Solar Babies,
this one riffs on past movies.Here we get like The Terminator, The
Warriors, probably a few others thrownin there too. Plays on our fears
of the moment, or basically anymoment in time, fear that young people
are getting out of control, fearof technology, fear of corporations taking over
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and doing crazy things. All that'sin here. This is a good B
movie that's really enjoyable. A lotof fun stuff in here. I do
agree with you. I think thesekinds of futures and these kinds of movies
that have some basis in reality thatwe see today, the jump for you
is a little easier than a moviethat has such a grandiose scale. Right,
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this is a high school and theseare teen gangs, and yeah,
you have this element of robots,so you know, they got to play
with Oh these kids are really strong, but they're really robots, right,
and they're lifting people up and throwingthem. Well, the teachers are robots
and they're taking on the punk kidsright right, right, right. But
yeah, it's a little more downto earth, but it's still you know,
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post apocalyptic and you see like thisburned out cities and stuff like that,
and what's happening to our nation.Yeah, it's a good pick.
It's very off the beaten path.I do vaguely remember this movie. I
was watching the trailer while you weretalking about it. I do vaguely remember
this. What's so fun about someof these movies is you know, hindsight,
you look at even like the upand coming actors and stuff that were
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making appearance or they were kind ofhitting their stride right by then, like
Pam Greer Malcolm McDowell, who hasplayed in tons of stuff over the years.
That part, to me is kindof fun. It's a good one
for people to check out. Sowhat do you got? What's in your
pocket? Your post to poc gallipticpocket. I'm going to start by saying,
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I'm just going to cheat a littlebit, and the reason why I'm
want to cheese, I'm just goingto say I'm not picking all of the
movies that we have at our disposalright now, which is really sad.
It makes me sad because there's alot of really good options between one of
our favorite post apocalyptic movies of alltime, Mad Max, Beyond Thunderdome eighty
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five, Escape from New York.I'm not picking that. I'm not picking
Steele Don with Patrick Swayze or Cyborgwith Van dam in eighty nine. But
we were talking about this gentleman that'sin the movie that I'm picking. Just
before the episode started off air,for our listeners, This guy has made
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at least a couple of really goodpost apocalyptic movies, one of which I'm
not going to talk about, butI will tell you, and this will
be the indicator of who it isThe Postman. The movie though, that
I am gonna mention is his otherpost apocalyptic movie, which is really many
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people hate it, many, many, many people hate this movie me water
World. Do you love water World? I do, of course you do,
because we're friends. This movie isjust so like, I loved this
movie. You need to watch thismovie listener. If you have not seen
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it, it is good and bad. Give you a little backstory. They
had a budget of one hundred andseventy five million dollars, just to put
that in context, prior to Titanic, this was the most expensive movie ever
produced. Let me let me justsay that again, the most expensive movie
ever produced. That to me isit's mind boggling. I can't even fathom
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how this movie, which did veryvery poorly eighty eight million domestic not great
when you have one hundred and seventyfive million dollar budget. Also not horrible,
like it's not a ten million dollarmovie, but it's pretty bad.
Movie lost out a lot the descriptionof this movie if you haven't seen it.
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It's set in a future where thepolar ice caps have melted and Earth
is almost entirely submerged. A mutatedmariner fights starvation and outlaw smokers quote unquote
smokers, and reluctantly helps a womanand a young girl try to find dry
land. Now, one of thereasons why I picked this movie was because
it's the exact opposite of Solar Babies. It is. I mean, it's
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this all water, no water.This movie has a lot of the same
similarities to what you were talking aboutwith Solar Babies. Kevin Costner personally invested
twenty two million dollars of his ownmoney into this film. This movie had
a lot of budget issues, butsome interesting things outside of that. Samuel
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L. Jackson turned down the roleof the bad guy in this his name
was Deacon, played by Dennis Hopper, in order to be in Diehard with
a Vengeance, which I thought probablya smart He did a good job there.
Yeah. The other thing in termsof a movie, this movie originally
was three hours and it was editedto one hundred and thirty five minute theatrical
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version, And I know this isprobably the reason why you like this shed
because it wasn't a three hour movie. If it had been a three hour
movie, you might have been like, this is the worst A little less
water. Yeah. And the reasonwhy, from what they say, is
because Kevin Costner was in a threehour movie called Wyatt Earp prior to this
and it bombed, and so theyneeded to make sure it was much shorter
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movie. For me, this movie, you have to watch this. This
is a great post apocalyptic movie.What do you think of that? I
love that pick I love that movie. That's just an underrated movie that I
remember at the time it came out, the news on that, the buzz
on it was all about like howmuch it cost and like the big budget
on it, and it was likea disappointment. I remember going to see
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him thinking it was great. Isjust filled with action. There's all sorts
of interesting stuff. I think youburied the whole lad of the whole thing,
which is Kevin cost has gills inthis movie. Yeah. It's set
in the future where people have adapted. Right, he has gills and his
feet are like fins, right.Yeah. He can swim so fast,
super fast, yeah, and breatheunderwater. Also, I went to when
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we were in Universal Studios in California. They have a whole like water World
show that they do, so they'rekeeping it alive in some way. And
after that my kids are like,we did watch this water World. It
has moments, It's definitely unique.It has its own identity. You know,
unlike Solar Babies. Any movie thathas the tagline beyond the Horizon lies
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a secret to a new beginning.You know that that's gonna be a real
winner. And Dennis Hopper great badguy he is. I mean, you
know Speed water World, he hadit all as the villain. Yeah,
excellent pick. I mean, it'sa great night of movies there. So
skip Solar Babies, watch Class ofnineteen ninety nine and water World. Yeah,
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you'll get a lot out of thosetwo movies for sure. Yeah,
that's a good nineties double feature there. And I'm confident you won't hold a
grudge against me or Shad in thiscase. Yeah, no, these are
good, those are good recommendations.Well, shifting back to Solar Babies for
one last thing, we got toask this question, should they make a
sequel to Solar Babies? Should theygo back in and if so, what
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should it be called what do youthink Patrick? I was bouncing around here.
I was thinking like Moon Geezers,star adults, or maybe just adult
stars. But then I thought thatmight take it in a different direction,
or or what about solar boomers.Oh, that's pretty good, that's pretty
good. I was playing with somesimilar things, you know. One option,
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I was like, okay, whatif we went kind of water world.
What if the moon got involved andthen you know, flood of the
world. We could have lunar littles. Oh, lunar littles. I like
something different too, Maybe we havesomething like let's focus on body. Maybe
it's solar body. Oh yeah,maybe it's that story. Then I was
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like, okay, if we're gonnado a sequel, we want the original
cast back. We want to seethem now. That's kind of the joy
of it, right right, SolarSeniors is where I went original cast returns.
But I still think best options areprobably something simple like Solar Babies Beyond
or Solar babies spear spear. What'swhat's the spear angle? I'm curious about
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it. I don't know exactly.You know, something like sphere Oh okay,
not a spear, but a sphere. Let me say that correctly.
My pronunciation might have made you thinkthat they're getting stabbed into like a shish
kebab together. I was a littlecurious, like, where's the spear come
into play? Tell me about that? That part is unique. Yeah,
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it has its own identity all ofa sudden, you know. The people
are like, I just love thatSolar Baby's Spear movie. It's so good
when they get stabbed. Yeah,they got like a try dead and they
just throw it like, what's thatpart? I don't know, it doesn't
have anything to do with the movie. Yeah, it's hard to do a
Solar Babies though and take out SolarBabies. It's a movie. It's a
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movie. We hope you though,got a lot out of the post apocalyptic
futures that we brought to the forefronthere in this episode, in addition to
talking about one of the movies againmoment. Sometimes we just, you know,
we go back to things that aren'talways the biggest hits, And I
think that's okay because it gives ussome context. It gives us some perspective
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on what's good and what's bad.You have to experience bad to appreciate the
really good. Not every movie canbe great. You gotta look at the
different pieces and parts of movie history, see what's going on there. And
coming right off of a solar eclipse, this movie perfect timing. If only
we would have had this three solareclipse Gangbusters. Yeah, nobody's even searching
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for solar things right now. Nowthey're done like it's over. So in
business, this is what not todo. All right. Well, that's
it for today's episode of Movies andMarketing. Until next time, let's fade
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movie Solar Babies, which is byand far one of the best ridiculous names
for an apocalyptic movie, but we'realso talking about post apocalyptic future movies.
Right, Yeah, we're talking aboutall those things. I mean, just
the fact alone we're talking about solarbabies. People might think this as a
joke. Are they really talking aboutsolar babies? Is solar babies a real
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thing? These might be questions you'reasking yourself right now, and those would
be good questions. We don't evenknow why we're talking about solar babies.
It's unwarranted, it's uncalled for.It's not something that I want to admit,
probably, but I do have fondmemories of this movie. This movie
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was a big part of childhood forthose in maybe my age group who grew
up with HBO, because as muchas this movie did not do very well
in the theater, it did wonderson HBO. It's definitely one of those
movies. It was like wallpaper.If you grew up in that time period,
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you knew it. It was likealways kind of hanging out in the
back drop. Yet somehow it's oneof these things. It was like ubiquitous
at the time, but now it'slike totally lost. If you asked anybody
under the age of probably thirty,have you heard of Solar Babies, they'd
be like, no. It's probablybecause it hasn't got the Netflix bump.
It's barely available on streaming other thanthe free sites because nobody is interested in
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it. Yeah, nobody's gonna payfor this. Nobody's shelling out cash for
Solar Babies. I mean that totallytracks. But the other reason, I
think it's always fun to look ata potential future as it was envisioned forty
almost forty years ago, because thismovie is almost forty years old, right,
Yeah, a couple of years,you know, nineteen eighty six it
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came out, So we're just acouple of years from the big fortieth anniversary
that everybody's going to be celebrating.That's hard to imagine. I feel like
this movie being forty years old,even though it definitely if you watched it,
you would go, yeah, thatmovie looks forty years old, maybe
eighty maybe eighty years It's a silentfilm, you know. So let's talk
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a little bit about solar Babies atthe box office, because you know,
I think that we should at leastdiscuss the fact that there is reasons why
most people haven't heard of this movie. It's not like it was a big
deal back in the day. Now, as you mentioned, a big HBO,
big video movie, not necessarily abig movie theater. Movie came out
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November twenty sixth, nineteen eighty six, grossed a paltry one point five million
domestic That was good to make itthe one hundred and sixtieth highest grossing movie
of the year. Pretty pretty sad, pretty low down on the totem pole.
But there's a pretty good story behindthis box office bomb. The movie
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surprisingly produced by mel Brooks, BlazingSad, Young Frankenstein, Space Balls you
might know this guy from supposed tobe a five million budgeted movie, meant
to capitalize on the popularity of StarWars. But the budget kept ballooning,
you know, shoot, kept goingover ends up a twenty five million.
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Brooks had to put up millions ofhis own money get a second mortgage on
his house to get the movie finished. Then it came out totally tanked.
But a year later, Brooks comesout with Spaceballs, his Star Wars parody.
Yeah, is it a coincidence?Are these two events connected well?
And that becomes a cult classic,right, a favorite amongst the fans,
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the melt Brooks fans especially, butjust fans in general. I think everybody
references Spaceballs to some degree, alot more than Solar Babies. But you
have to wonder, if he wasn'tburned by this movie, would he have
made that movie? You know,you kind of wonder did some of that
have to do with the name,Did it have to do with the launch?
The release date was November twenty sixth. What is that Thanksgiving Day?
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I mean it is you know,like, yeah, who releases that movie?
Maybe they thought it was a potentialOscar nominee. I don't know.
Yeah, I mean you should haveknown that was a dud. The tagline
for the movie who Will Rule theFuture? Uh, you know, kind
of wishy washy liked the name.What does that tell you? I don't
know. I did pull up thedescription. In a post apocalyptic future ruled
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by the military, a group ofrenegade teen orphans find a legendary orb Bo
Die now body Bo Die, thatcan supposedly bring the rain back to dried
up Earth. I think the realclencher there is renegade teenage orphans. Yeah,
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that's the part that got me.If they were just teen orphans,
fine, but the fact that they'rerenegades. Yeah, the biggest problem that
I have with that whole description isnowhere in there does it mention that they
roller skate everywhere. I don't knowif they take off their roller skates at
any point in the movie. Dothey? I mean, I'm sure they
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do, but who cares? Theyjust don't have superpowers when they are roller
skate less. Well, they're mortal. Then another thing, you know,
we get bod Eye in this movie. A few years later we get Body
and Point Break. Yeah, bothsage like beings, you know, helping
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to impart us with wisdom and elevatehumanity coincidence, and both have James la
Grosse who played Roach. Oh yeah, it's a great point. You can't
deny. There's just too many starsaligning universal coincidences going on there. Yeah.
Roach is much different in this moviethan he is in Point Break.
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He h a a little nerdier,he's like the science guy. Yeah,
and he's super young, super young. If we're just reflecting on this movie,
just a little bit of reflection,right, because we're not exactly sure
why we're doing the episode on thismovie, and I think that there is
something too reflecting on a movie thathas some meaning to you, which it
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does for both of us. Youknow, we've talked about this on the
episodes. Before HBO was a bigpart of our lives growing up. They
would replay movies over and over andover and over and over again, to
the point where those movies become apart of our subconscious whether we like it
or not. Solar Babies is oneof those movies, right, plastered like
you said, wallpaper. But ifwe're reflecting, what do you remember most
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about this movie? So I gotthree things, and a couple of them
we already kind of hit on.Number one without a doubt is the skating.
There's some sci fi, there's someaction. A lot of that stuff
was similar to, you know,what was going on in other movies at
the time, But this movie hadkids on skates. So when I think
about Solar Babies, I automatic thinkof, you know, renegade teen orphans
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on skates. The second thing Ithink of is it goes without saying the
title. This title, to me, I always thought at the time was
kind of blame. I still thinkit's kind of blame. It's never really
explained in the movie what it meansthey're the solar babies. I don't know
why they're called the solar babies.Maybe I missed that part of the mythology.
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It always made me think of thecandy the sugar babies, and then
the third piece of that is theVHS box art. This to me,
was a perennial video store movie,where before Blockbuster, we had a small
video store and I would just walkaround looking for things, and I would
always see solar babies staring back atme. I'd be like, Ah,
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I get out of here, solarbabies, don't. I don't want to
brench you. But I can remember, you know, seeing the name and
the way the font looks, whichis very specific for Solar Babies. The
oways kind of like a planet,and there's just almost like a shadows of
the Renegade kids, you know,against this glowing thing in the sky.
So I can picture that. VHSbox are pretty good. Those are my
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memories of Solar Babies. Yeah,and I mean, I'll just tack on
to what you're saying there, youknow, the roller skates. I think
for me, what I remember mostis deep down at that age, I
knew I would die in the future. It was my first glimpse at mortality
because I was just a kid,but I couldn't roller skate very well,
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and I knew that I would dieif this was the future that I was
going to be living in. Yeah, right, so roller skating it was
scary. It was scary to me, this Solar Baby's idea of you know,
this future that they lived in.That's a good point. I wonder
if I liked the movie less becauseI was not. If I was like
a good skater, I might havebeen like, bring it on, let's
Solar Baby. This I idolized thefact that they could do it so well.
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I was like, man, Idon't know how they do that,
because I can't do that, youknow. So they were in a lot
of ways like superheroes, like yousaid, without their skates, they were
just mortals. With them, theycould jump over huge, huge, vast
band between a broken down bridge,right, but you know, a motorcycle
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can't make it. It just goesright off the edge. No, no,
it doesn't have to juice. Yeah, this is actually literally a scene
from the movie. By the way, also a planet with little to no
water. There's a social commentary.I think that's happening here. You know,
the Protectorate, which is this militarygroup whatever who's in control of the
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water that remains and basically controls peoplebecause of it to make a better universe
or whatever it is that they're doing, like Nazis. Yeah, essentially,
that part to me was always kindof a bleak future, you know,
this idea of a vast wasteland,and yet there's this concept of hope in
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the movie The Sphere, which ina lot of ways reminded me of batteries
not included. Yeah, this beingfrom another world comes in, you know,
gives us hope and potentially can bringback water, which in my mind
as a child, I was like, that's pretty cool. Transform our earth
back to the way it should havebeen, like the way I know it
now. That's pretty neat. Sothose are the big things, But it's
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the skates man, go back tothe skates. If you take the skates
out of the movie, would anybodywould we be talking about it now?
Would anybody remember this movie at all? Or would it just be completely erased
for our memories? I don't thinkwe'd be talking about it, just wouldn't
be very memorable. Well, let'stalk about the future, the future of
solar babies. You kind of hiton it a little bit. What do
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you think stands out about the futurespecifically as it's depicted in this movie.
This this idea of protectorate, right, this dictatorship, this military note regime.
And there's someone with their thumb onsociety, or at least a portion
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of society, which makes them eviland you have to overcome them. So
you know, that's the Hollywood trope, I think. But that's the thing
that stands out the most to me. I don't know if anything actually stands
out when I think about it.It's like a mix of a whole bunch
of different futures we had already seenin other movies, you know, kind
of put together, which wasn't uncommon. You know, the eighties was filled
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with these movies that were geared towardkids or young people that had a sci
fi slant, which were kind ofmish mashes of mythologies where it was a
little bit of dumb and cheesy,but you know, it was original in
the sense it wasn't stealing totally fromone thing. It was stealing from a
bunch of other things and just stitchingthem together. You know, in this
case, you have a dried outworld with no water, kind of like
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Mad Max, and you've got afascist ruler with stormtroopers like Star Wars,
and then the kids play game onskates like Rollerball, and then like you
mentioned, there's like this otherworldly thingyou said, batteries not included. I
even think it's kind of like CloseEncounters or Star Wars a little bit.
It's like taking all these things together. So it felt familiar, but you
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know, it's kind of like,hey, it's our own thing. It's
solar babies. Man. I canimagine the pitch even, you know,
it's gonna be like all these moviesand you just keep tacking on stuff until
people's eyes light up, like,oh, well, if you've got Matt
Max in there, that's that's mycup of tea. And some of the
other guys like, oh, StarWars. I like Star Wars. It's
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Star Wars meets mad Max. Buton skates. Oh, the kids are
gonna love the skates. You know. Sold do you think today you would
recommend this movie to people? Ican't in good conscience. If you didn't
watch this in the eighties, Icannot imagine you enjoying or even making much
sense of this as a first timewatch now. I just can't. I
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can't see somebody watching it and beinglike that, I love that. That
was good. Yeah, good thingsin it, you know, And I
could talk about those, but Ican't just recon be like, go watch
this, you're gonna like it.What do you think? I'm with you
one hundred percent. I would suggestwatching the one minute and fifty second trailer
and IMDb. It'll give you everythingyou need to know about the movie,
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along with this podcast. You know, don't go watch the movie, Just
do that and you'll be fine.So on that note, let me share
a few things that I thought were, you know, good. There's some
parts of this I think even melBrooks said, He's like, I watched
half of it and I thought itwas a masterpiece, and the other half
I thought was the worst movie I'veever seen. And that's kind of what
it is. But not you know, it's not one half in the second
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half. It's all kind of mixedtogether, so you don't really know what
you're gonna get from scene to sceneif you're trying to like follow the story
and like make sense of it.It doesn't always sit here together, like
they go off in places and you'relike, how did we get here?
But again, there's some good thingsgoing on here. I think one of
them is we get some good dirtyeighties future technology in there. You know,
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there's like robots and the way peopledress, you know, show me
people in like dirty uniforms, alittle like punk looking or steampunk looking.
I'm always on board with that stuff. Another thing, the cheesiness we've gotten
so far from cheese now, youknow, everything, even like kids movies
have to have so much edge andbe like about trauma. It's refreshing kind
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of to watch something that has noneof that. There's no edge to this.
It's not trying to be like darkin any way. There's no sarcasm
to anything. It's just like purecheese, but not like knowing our winking
cheese. It's just like this isyou know, this is it, and
we just don't make that anymore.So it's kind of fun to watch something
like that. Every decade or everygeneration has that where they look back and
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they go, they were so muchsimpler back then, you know, And
it wasn't until the nineties we gotto everything was ironic and meta and we
really started analyzing thing and putting thingsthrough the microscope. And then obviously the
Internet changed how we like look atand talk about everything. Yeah. The
third thing, you know, Ithought was good was Jamie Gertz as he
talked about I'm not one of thebiggest actresses of the decade, but a
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good, solid eighties actress. Ilooked up her nineteen eighties IMDb and it's
pretty good. She starts off withguest spots on Different Strokes, The Facts
of Life and Family Ties, hasa small role in Sixteen Candles. Then
she's in Quicksilver, the Bike Messengermovie with Kevin Bacon. Yeah, then
she rattles off Solar Babies, LostBoys, and less than Zero does Listen
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to Me with Kirk Cameron, andthen closes out the eighties in the movie
Renegades with Keifer Suttland and lou DiamondPhillips. That's a pretty eighties resume right
there, you know what I mean, It's pretty solid and yet and yet
I'm not knocking on anybody. I'mreally not kind of forgettable. Which of
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those roles would you be? Like? That's her signature role, right,
I remember her in The Lost Boysprobably the most. I don't know why,
maybe because that was most successful outof any of those movies. But
again, just like good run andyou know, hey, kudos that she
was very successful, but kind offorgettable in that way. And I think
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people might argue with that. Ithink there's a lot of actors that are
like that. You know, theyhave a good small run and then you're
like, whatever happened to that person? Yeah, and she's appeared in things
since then. She was in Twister, but yeah, she had a good
run for a while and I thinkyou know, she's was prominent, but
yeah, never quite it never wentto that next level, and now she's
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married to a billionaire and she's like, I'm forgettable. I'm forgettable. She's
gonna crush this Who Are Money Guy? Podcast? So all this post apocalyptic
future talk, we thought we wouldpull some others out of the woodwork,
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you know, especially since the eightieshad so many of them. Eighties and
nineties. We thought it'd share acouple of burned out visions of the future
from the film World of Yesteryear.So what movie would you say? It
has to take place in a postapocalyptic future. Obviously, and preferably I
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think it should be mandated. Itneeds to be from the eighties or nineties,
well mine, You know, youcould say the either the end of
the eighties or the beginning of thenineties, depending on how you look at
it. The year nineteen nineties,okay, and the postalocalyptic future in this
one a little different, This Underseengem. I'm sure you you probably know
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about it, but I'm not sureour listeners do. The movie Class of
nineteen ninety nine. Do you rememberthis movie? Do you know of this
movie at all? I vaguely rememberthat name, and I don't know why.
I'm sure probably because I saw it. Yeah, this, I think
is a much better movie than SolarBabies, probably you know, a tenth
of the budget. So this moviestarts with a robot voiceover telling us that
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many big cities across the country havebeen taken over by gangs of wild teens.
And we see a Seattle with burnedout cars, gun toting punk teens
ruling the street, new drugs spreading, And that's not even the plot of
the movie. Let me give youthe synopsis from IMDb, as we like
to do. Three ex military robotsare reprogrammed as teachers and secretly placed in
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a school where most students are partof organized gangs. They begin to respond
violently to unruly students, and theirmilitary training starts to take over. I
love movies like this that take placein not a super far off future,
but it's just kind of the nearfuture where things are just like they are
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now, but a little more screwedup. Yeah, like Solar Babies,
this one riffs on past movies.Here we get like The Terminator, The
Warriors, probably a few others thrownin there too. Plays on our fears
of the moment, or basically anymoment in time, fear that young people
are getting out of control, fearof technology, fear of corporations taking over
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and doing crazy things. All that'sin here. This is a good B
movie that's really enjoyable. A lotof fun stuff in here. I do
agree with you. I think thesekinds of futures and these kinds of movies
that have some basis in reality thatwe see today, the jump for you
is a little easier than a moviethat has such a grandiose scale. Right,
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this is a high school and theseare teen gangs, and yeah,
you have this element of robots,so you know, they got to play
with Oh these kids are really strong, but they're really robots, right,
and they're lifting people up and throwingthem. Well, the teachers are robots
and they're taking on the punk kidsright right, right, right. But
yeah, it's a little more downto earth, but it's still you know,
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post apocalyptic and you see like thisburned out cities and stuff like that,
and what's happening to our nation.Yeah, it's a good pick.
It's very off the beaten path.I do vaguely remember this movie. I
was watching the trailer while you weretalking about it. I do vaguely remember
this. What's so fun about someof these movies is you know, hindsight,
you look at even like the upand coming actors and stuff that were
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making appearance or they were kind ofhitting their stride right by then, like
Pam Greer Malcolm McDowell, who hasplayed in tons of stuff over the years.
That part, to me is kindof fun. It's a good one
for people to check out. Sowhat do you got? What's in your
pocket? Your post to poc gallipticpocket. I'm going to start by saying,
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I'm just going to cheat a littlebit, and the reason why I'm
want to cheese, I'm just goingto say I'm not picking all of the
movies that we have at our disposalright now, which is really sad.
It makes me sad because there's alot of really good options between one of
our favorite post apocalyptic movies of alltime, Mad Max, Beyond Thunderdome eighty
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five, Escape from New York.I'm not picking that. I'm not picking
Steele Don with Patrick Swayze or Cyborgwith Van dam in eighty nine. But
we were talking about this gentleman that'sin the movie that I'm picking. Just
before the episode started off air,for our listeners, This guy has made
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at least a couple of really goodpost apocalyptic movies, one of which I'm
not going to talk about, butI will tell you, and this will
be the indicator of who it isThe Postman. The movie though, that
I am gonna mention is his otherpost apocalyptic movie, which is really many
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people hate it, many, many, many people hate this movie me water
World. Do you love water World? I do, of course you do,
because we're friends. This movie isjust so like, I loved this
movie. You need to watch thismovie listener. If you have not seen
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it, it is good and bad. Give you a little backstory. They
had a budget of one hundred andseventy five million dollars, just to put
that in context, prior to Titanic, this was the most expensive movie ever
produced. Let me let me justsay that again, the most expensive movie
ever produced. That to me isit's mind boggling. I can't even fathom
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how this movie, which did veryvery poorly eighty eight million domestic not great
when you have one hundred and seventyfive million dollar budget. Also not horrible,
like it's not a ten million dollarmovie, but it's pretty bad.
Movie lost out a lot the descriptionof this movie if you haven't seen it.
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It's set in a future where thepolar ice caps have melted and Earth
is almost entirely submerged. A mutatedmariner fights starvation and outlaw smokers quote unquote
smokers, and reluctantly helps a womanand a young girl try to find dry
land. Now, one of thereasons why I picked this movie was because
it's the exact opposite of Solar Babies. It is. I mean, it's
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this all water, no water.This movie has a lot of the same
similarities to what you were talking aboutwith Solar Babies. Kevin Costner personally invested
twenty two million dollars of his ownmoney into this film. This movie had
a lot of budget issues, butsome interesting things outside of that. Samuel
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L. Jackson turned down the roleof the bad guy in this his name
was Deacon, played by Dennis Hopper, in order to be in Diehard with
a Vengeance, which I thought probablya smart He did a good job there.
Yeah. The other thing in termsof a movie, this movie originally
was three hours and it was editedto one hundred and thirty five minute theatrical
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version, And I know this isprobably the reason why you like this shed
because it wasn't a three hour movie. If it had been a three hour
movie, you might have been like, this is the worst A little less
water. Yeah. And the reasonwhy, from what they say, is
because Kevin Costner was in a threehour movie called Wyatt Earp prior to this
and it bombed, and so theyneeded to make sure it was much shorter
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movie. For me, this movie, you have to watch this. This
is a great post apocalyptic movie.What do you think of that? I
love that pick I love that movie. That's just an underrated movie that I
remember at the time it came out, the news on that, the buzz
on it was all about like howmuch it cost and like the big budget
on it, and it was likea disappointment. I remember going to see
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him thinking it was great. Isjust filled with action. There's all sorts
of interesting stuff. I think youburied the whole lad of the whole thing,
which is Kevin cost has gills inthis movie. Yeah. It's set
in the future where people have adapted. Right, he has gills and his
feet are like fins, right.Yeah. He can swim so fast,
super fast, yeah, and breatheunderwater. Also, I went to when
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we were in Universal Studios in California. They have a whole like water World
show that they do, so they'rekeeping it alive in some way. And
after that my kids are like,we did watch this water World. It
has moments, It's definitely unique.It has its own identity. You know,
unlike Solar Babies. Any movie thathas the tagline beyond the Horizon lies
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a secret to a new beginning.You know that that's gonna be a real
winner. And Dennis Hopper great badguy he is. I mean, you
know Speed water World, he hadit all as the villain. Yeah,
excellent pick. I mean, it'sa great night of movies there. So
skip Solar Babies, watch Class ofnineteen ninety nine and water World. Yeah,
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you'll get a lot out of thosetwo movies for sure. Yeah,
that's a good nineties double feature there. And I'm confident you won't hold a
grudge against me or Shad in thiscase. Yeah, no, these are
good, those are good recommendations.Well, shifting back to Solar Babies for
one last thing, we got toask this question, should they make a
sequel to Solar Babies? Should theygo back in and if so, what
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should it be called what do youthink Patrick? I was bouncing around here.
I was thinking like Moon Geezers,star adults, or maybe just adult
stars. But then I thought thatmight take it in a different direction,
or or what about solar boomers.Oh, that's pretty good, that's pretty
good. I was playing with somesimilar things, you know. One option,
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I was like, okay, whatif we went kind of water world.
What if the moon got involved andthen you know, flood of the
world. We could have lunar littles. Oh, lunar littles. I like
something different too, Maybe we havesomething like let's focus on body. Maybe
it's solar body. Oh yeah,maybe it's that story. Then I was
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like, okay, if we're gonnado a sequel, we want the original
cast back. We want to seethem now. That's kind of the joy
of it, right right, SolarSeniors is where I went original cast returns.
But I still think best options areprobably something simple like Solar Babies Beyond
or Solar babies spear spear. What'swhat's the spear angle? I'm curious about
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it. I don't know exactly.You know, something like sphere Oh okay,
not a spear, but a sphere. Let me say that correctly.
My pronunciation might have made you thinkthat they're getting stabbed into like a shish
kebab together. I was a littlecurious, like, where's the spear come
into play? Tell me about that? That part is unique. Yeah,
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it has its own identity all ofa sudden, you know. The people
are like, I just love thatSolar Baby's Spear movie. It's so good
when they get stabbed. Yeah,they got like a try dead and they
just throw it like, what's thatpart? I don't know, it doesn't
have anything to do with the movie. Yeah, it's hard to do a
Solar Babies though and take out SolarBabies. It's a movie. It's a
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movie. We hope you though,got a lot out of the post apocalyptic
futures that we brought to the forefronthere in this episode, in addition to
talking about one of the movies againmoment. Sometimes we just, you know,
we go back to things that aren'talways the biggest hits, And I
think that's okay because it gives ussome context. It gives us some perspective
(29:48):
on what's good and what's bad.You have to experience bad to appreciate the
really good. Not every movie canbe great. You gotta look at the
different pieces and parts of movie history, see what's going on there. And
coming right off of a solar eclipse, this movie perfect timing. If only
we would have had this three solareclipse Gangbusters. Yeah, nobody's even searching
(30:11):
for solar things right now. Nowthey're done like it's over. So in
business, this is what not todo. All right. Well, that's
it for today's episode of Movies andMarketing. Until next time, let's fade
to black. I'll be back.He's done, coming back,
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