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You're listening to Mystic Lounge with AlanB. Smith, rebroadcast on the ONEX
Network Thursdays at eleven pm Pacific,Fridays at two a m. Eastern.
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However you are and whenever you are, Welcome, good souls to Mystic Lounge.
This is Alan B. Smith,your most grateful host. I have
two fantastic returning guests with me tonight, Natalie Fowler and Jessica Freeberg. They
are across the board power normal investigatorsand they dip their toes into beasts and
monsters as well. I'm just goingto bring them on right now because they've
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been on the show before and weabsolutely love these two ladies. Welcome,
How are you great? Thanks,Yeah, thanks so much for coming back.
It's been way too long. Ifeel we love hanging out with you
in chat here. Totally mutual.Yeah, yeah, it's such as like
hanging out and having a cup ofcoffee and talking paranormal which is which is
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what I love to do. Yeah, So tonight I wanted to focus with
you on the communication aspect, bridgingthe gap you know, between you know
yourselves investigators in general, and nonhuman intelligences and entities on the other side.
Or living parallel with us. Thispodcast is on the unex network,
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and you know, there's a lotof other shows that explored these territories,
and I want to focus really asclose as we as we can on the
communication aspect, because I think thatsometimes that's a little a little overshadowed by
the what did we capture on video? What do we capture in EVPs?
But the process I think is reallycool too. So let's start Natalie at
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the top of the screens, andwe'll start with you. What are your
approaches that you take initially when youwalk into a space and you're trying to
reach out to an inhabiting spirit.You know, I think my process actually
starts before I even get there.I'll actually do if I'm going to clear
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a house or if we're going onan investigation, I often actually tune into
the space beforehand. I got reallygood at that during COVID. There were
a lot of people reaching out tome because they couldn't get paranormal teams coming
to their house during everybody being lockeddown. So I was offering that as
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a service to people, and itwas part of the work that I was
doing already. I found that Iactually can tune in sometimes better to a
space if I'm not physically in thespace, because then I'm only using my
sixth sense, not being distracted byany other my sight. You know,
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I think I'm a very logical,rational person. So if I'm looking at
something or you know, and Ithink we all know that as as paranormal
investigators, the power of suggestion,right, So if you're if you're gathering
evidence and you're sitting in a circleand somebody starts asking questions, we all
can very much influence each other inthat space. If I'm tuning into a
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space by myself before i even getthere, then I know that I'm only
getting what's in my sixth sense.So so you do you feel any presences
with you kind of like right now? Actually? Yeah, I mean that's
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a great thing to address. Imean, do you do you do you
tap into spirit at random? Hopeyou're kind of breaking up there a little
bit. Netalie y we lost heraudio you there are we back the okay?
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So we're talking about your your friends. It's funny because this is about
spirits. I'm I'm not surprobably somethingweird like you're attracting and they're interfering with
our tech right now? Uh yeah, So anyway, I for me,
I I I I have to turnit on. But what's so for example,
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if I'm working in a space,or if I'm working on a house
or something like that, I actuallyhave to kind of go into a meditate,
a meditative state, and I willtap in and tune in that way.
An interesting thing is happening though.Lately. I think that the veils
are shifting, and I think they'rea lot closer together than they ever have
been before. And now things arestarting to happen more when I'm not expecting
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it, one example. So Ithink part of this is because I grew
up just so guarded with some ofthis stuff and not always willing to talk
about it. It took me along long time to be open and comfortable
talking about some of the things thatI'm seeing and sensing and feeling because you
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feel crazy and getting to that comfortlevel of being okay, like yeah,
I actually can do this, andI can. I this is a gift
that I have. So I thinkI just naturally am very compartmentalized in my
life and things are kind of lockeddown. For example, you don't want
to go into Walmart and pick upon everybody's stuff all the time. So
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I keep pretty locked down. Butwhat's happening more and more lately is that
I'll get kind of blindsided by somethingor someone that needs to say something.
This happened. Happened actually last year. At this time, I was visiting
my son in college at the MollyBrown House. He goes to school in
Denver, so my daughter is doesonline school. Whenever we're traveling somewhere like
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that, I always will. Shemakes fun of me because I'll always find
the haunted thing or the history thingor the historical old creepy house to go
tour because I always just take advantageof that whenever I'm in a city,
like what can we go look at? What can we go find and learn
about? And I dragged her withme to the Molly Brown House, and
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you know, I hadn't done anyresearch to really know anything about it being
haunted or anything like that, butso we were going through the house and
I wasn't necessarily tuning in. Iwas reading the history and looking at all
of that. And the way themuseum works is that you start up,
they're very specific about how they directyou through the house, so you have
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to go all the way up beforeyou can come all the way back down
again. And we were come backdown into the kitchen and I got hit
with this wave of irritation, completeirritation and frustration, and I look and
the sink was filled with it wasstaged. So the kitchen was staged and
the sink was filled with dishes andthis energy like it was a servant type
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energy. And she was so upsetthat they staged her kitchen to look messy,
and she's like, please, youhave to tell them that I would
never have left the kitchen looking likethis. This is not how I kept
my kitchen and this is not okay. So my daughter, who it's thirteen
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fourteen, she's like, oh mygod, Mom, you're not really going
to go tell the museum people thatthey have to clean up the kitchen,
are you. Like, well,she's pretty insistent. So we had to
go all the way back up untilwe found the one person working upstairs and
like, Okay, this is gonnasound crazy, but you know, but
that's also when that that kind ofstuff happens to me, and it's really
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out of the blue and it's superrandom like that That's also how I know
I'm not making it up because thatwas so far from my mind. That's
not what I was thinking about.I had, you know, in that
moment, I wasn't even thinking I'mpsychic. I'm trying to pick up on
anything. It was super unintentional andjust kind of happened accidentally. So well,
Natalie, you were you studied law, right? Yeah? Is it
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a thing or yeah? Like areyou Yeah? I mean, I mean
that's how we I mean, that'show we get our books written, like
you know, and right now I'ma single mom and and managing all kinds
of stuff and and yeah, butwe're also super creative. So but yeah,
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it's like you gotta okay, I'mgoing to get this, this and
this done. So yes, I'mI would call my self type A.
Do any of your children show anysigns of psychic Oh? Yeah, all
of them? Yeah. Can Italk about that all the time. A
lot of our own work in thisis to better understand what's happening so that
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we can better explain it for ourkids. You know, when I was
a little girl and talking about thethings that scared me in the dark shadows
in my room that I was seeingor the different things that I was questioning.
Everyone in my life just told methere's no such thing as ghosts.
It's just your imagination. So whenmy kids, at the same age as
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were asking me those questions, Iwas already writing ghost stories, you know,
I was already going on paranormal investigations. I needed something better. I
needed to be able to explain somethingsomething a little bit more thoroughly and give
them better explaining. Yeah, whatabout you and Jessica your children's Yeah,
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me, similarly to what Natalie wassaying. Really, my first book that
I wrote Is was a novel abouta girl who could see spirits and discern
whether they were good spirits or badspirits. And she was very much based
on my personal experience growing up andnoticing spirit energies. And I grew up
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in a family, well it wasa mixed family because my parents were divorced
and remarried. So I had,you know, my Lutheran side, and
then I had my evangelical side.And I would ask my dad my evangelical
side, like why am I seeingthese things? Because it was happening a
lot, and it was happening evenwhen friends were around, and they would
hear the voices that I was hearing, Like there were a lot of instances
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where I felt like my friends wereafraid to be around me for a while
when I was younger, and sothese people were literally hearing what you were
here. Yeah, there was oneinstance when we were out at this old
farm, my friend and I,and we were dressed up in these old
fashioned dresses as we used to loveto play dress up and like pretend like
we lived in you know, thePrairie Times or whatever I used to do.
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Yeah, and so we're at thisabandoned house. My dad was inside,
like taking some stuff out of it. It was owned by one of
my uncles, and they were cleaningit out, and it was really kind
of creepy. It had a veryicky vibe to it, and I was
super uncomfortable inside. So I wentoutside with my friend and we were walking
from the house and we both heardthis crying voice saying, help me,
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help me. And then there wasa point where she was standing in front
of me and I could see somethingkind of reach up. I couldn't see
what was reaching out, but Isaw her skirt pull up like the indentation
of fingertips almost pulling her skirt upin front of me, and I was
really freaked out. And that waswhen I was just We went and got
my dad and we're like, somethingreally bad is happening. There's somebody out
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here hurt, and he looked allover the farm there was nothing, but
she heard it too, And thatwas the time when I was crying.
On the way home. I wasand this had happened so many times,
and I was like, why whyam I seeing these things? Why are
these things happening? And my dad'sresponse, and he's a wonderful, lovely
human and I hate to say this, but his response was, it's demons,
you know, like because it didn'thave angels wings and it wasn't like
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demons. I was just kind oflike, you know, it's obviously demons,
you know. Was he concerned aboutyou? I'm sure I was probably
still is, but yeah, sothat terrified me even more, right because
I was like ten, and I'mlike, what did I ever do that
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demons would be following me around?And a lot of times it didn't feel
negative. I mean most of thetime it just felt like like something was
there or something wanted my attention.Another example was in my dad's house.
Someone had passed away, and Ididn't realize that. I never knew that
until I was actually an adult.But I was sitting downstairs. My step
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mom was upstairs, was doing herart, and we were the only two
people in the house, and Iwas sitting in the den watching TV.
We only got like a couple ofmarbles a week, which is really sad.
We had marbles that we had tolike pay out for TV programs,
and so I was watching PBS.So I think I was watching like Salsme
Street or something, and I sawsomeone come through the den of a corner
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of my eye, but I waslike not looking away from that TV because
this was like my hour that Ipaid for with my marble, and so
I just caught them going through thecorner of my eye, and I saw
the bathroom door open and then closed, which was right around the corner of
the den, and so I figuredit was my stepmom, right, were
the only two people there, andshe never came out and never came out,
and so I went and knocked onthe door and nobody answered, and
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I opened it up and the lightwas on, but nobody was there.
So I went upstairs and I waslike, well, how did you get
out of the bathroom without me seeingyou? And she's like, I haven't
left this room the whole time.Well, fast forward about twenty years and
my husband and I had accidentally purchaseda house that someone had committed to his
and I was seeing this woman inour house and like and then we found
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out what happened, and I waslike, I cannot live here. But
I called my stepmom and I waslike, I can't live in this house
where someone died, like and Ijust can't do it. And she's like,
oh, someone died in that housethat we lived in when you were
growing up. I was like what, She's like, yeah, they died
in that bathroom. I was like, what, So that explains right much
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of what you experience. Yeah,yeah, it definitely did. So.
Well. You know, here's thething that I always think about. No
matter where we are, I feellike there there might must be some presence,
some goo, some spirit that's lingering. I mean, people have died
in the woods, in the fields, there's been wars. Every building in
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this country, in particular around theworld, you know, have people that
have lived and most likely died nearby. You know, so are we just
populated. Are there just e spiritseverywhere? Or you know, what's what's
your take? Yes, yeah,everything is haunted. And I think like
also too, you know, justthe work that we've done at the Palmer
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House and being up there and justthat's such a fascinating experience because you have
all levels of experience with the paranormalcoming in and out of there. So
you get so many people that havenever experienced anything paranormal coming in and so
you've got all the different knowledge pointsand the you know, just just helping
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to clarify some of maybe the misconceptionsabout ghosts and trapped energies. Like I
really, in my work and inour experience, I don't think things have
to stay in one place. Imean, I think sometimes that happens,
for sure, and it depends onwhat kind of haunting you're dealing with,
Like a residual haunting is going tohappen in the same place over and over
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again. But you know, Ithink I think sometimes to our energy is
such a bright light to spirits.And we talk about this with our kids
all the time, Like your energythat you're putting off is a bright light.
And if there's an entity or asoul that's stuck in that darkness.
They're going to follow the light asa way to try to to get help
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or just you know, in theirconfusion, it's something for them to kind
of hook onto. So I thinkspirit can, I think ghosts can don't
have to necessarily stay in one place. And that's one of my favorite questions
to get at the Palmer House isthey'll ask somebody you'll call and ask for
the most haunted room, or theywant to stay in a room that's not
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haunted, and then you have toexplain, well, you know, we
can't just make them stay out ofyour room, or you know, it's
you know, it's funny. Mydaughter started working there bussing tables the least
several times we've been up there,and I was so proud of her for
this answer. But somebody, andyou know, everybody coming and wants to
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hear the stories, wants to wantthe inside scoop. And so she was
clearing off some dishes and somebody askedher, you know how many gals are
here, and without skipping a beat, she just deadpanned, well, I
don't know the person who was supposedto take attendance this morning forgot ye from
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her mom. Yeah, there's nopossible way to really know, you know,
I think we get so hooked onthat as paranormal investigators sometimes that oh,
this is the story that we've heardfrom this room, So then you
focus on that particular room when whenit could be anybody, and then you're
kind of missing out on the opportunityto actually get to know who is there
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if you're only fixed on that onename. I've noticed too, like when
we go to different locations and reallyanywhere we've gone, I always say,
we've never not had an experience.We never don't have inner action, and
it's I almost don't think it matterswhere we are, or like they kind
of just come. You know.There's been occasions where we've been doing investigations
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and and getting a lot of EVPsof a name over and over again,
and it's coming through on a bunchof different advices and everything's going off it
and it feels like it was neverattached to that place, but like it
was coming by and the light andthey're like, hey, they can see
me, or they can notice me. It's kind of just walking bying on.
Oh what's that? Yeah, youknow, yeah, I tell a
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house. Was that the one inwho get use and Anderson House mixed up?
But yeah, yeah, go AndersonHouses and wabashah, yeah. Yeah.
We were talking to the owner ofthe Shanley Hotel here in the Hudson
Valley and she was telling us thatshe feels like because it's a hotel and
has that history, and it's forlike a hundred years, it's been a
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place of you know, social gatheringthat like other spirits might drift in kind
of like see stop in and seewhat's going on over here. It's quite
busy well. And I also thinkthat there's a difference between spirit energy,
and it's like it's almost like there'snot even human words to describe this,
but there's a difference between a ghostenergy that's maybe trapped or connected to a
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space or stuck in that in betweenlayer I like to call it. I
just I call it in between becausethat makes sense in my brain. But
but there's also spirit energy, whichcan be our loved ones that are coming
from the other side to check onus. And I think that, you
know, in my work and understandingof this our heaven. You know,
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I grew up Catholics, so that'smy framework is to think of things.
You know, heaven is the otherside. I think our heaven actually gets
to be wherever we want it tobe. And why wouldn't we come back
to check on our loved ones afterwe've gone, you know, if you're
if you are grandfather, And it'sfunny, I actually even had this conversation
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with my dad before he passed,and like, you know, your heaven
gets to be wherever you want itto be. So if you want that
to be fishing with your grandkids afteryou're gone, of course you can come
back and hang out with them onthe dock and go fishing with them if
you want. And I think tothink about it like that is just so
much more comforting. You know,we're taught in Sunday School that heaven is
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this really far away place, andI don't think it has to be.
I think it can be wherever youwant it to be in your afterlife.
Well, it reminds me of themovie What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams.
Yeah, and I like that ideabecause I tend to be leaning more
towards this idea that we are livingin a in a sort of a simulation,
using that word to the best asthe best metaphor as possible, because
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I don't I couldn't really know whatit's like. You know, we know
what a video game is like,and we know that physics suggests that reality
kind of renders itself around consciousness,so it comes into order when it's being
observed, whether by instruments or byour own eyes. And then I thought
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about what you were saying and whatdreams may come, and that kind of
makes sense. It's like, ifthat's this reality, if on whatever the
other side is, maybe we canrender like but consciously rendered, like like
yeah, you know, bring uplike, Okay, this is my favorite
beach and this is where I amnow, and that's that's heaven or whatever
you call it. Right. Ithink that we're starting to catch like quantum
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physics is starting to catch up withsome of this stuff. I participated in
an essay contest a couple of yearsago with a colleague of my colleague of
ours, Kevin Swanson, who doeshe invents his own equipment and does a
lot of the science y stuff andhis brain works different than I do.
And there was an essay contest thatsomeone posted looking for proof. The question
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was, can you prove beyond areasonable doubt that consciousness exists after death,
after bodily death. And we've actuallyhad that conversation so many times we were
like, how do we not tryto attempt this? And in the research
for that, you know, yougo into the past life memories and children
research and all the past life workthat's been done and the studies that the
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professors have done on that, andthat's just like tangible evidence that you can't
explain any other way than the soulis now coming back again in this new
body. And that's always fascinated me. And also the near death experience research.
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That's also the quantum physics in someof those books that it starts to
explain, Okay, here your consciousnessisn't in your brain, it's your soul.
And this is where we don't evenhave human language to describe it sometimes.
Yeah, and I don't think we'reever going to be able to wrap
our brains around it really. Imean, we can come really close.
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But it's been something I think that'sfascinated humanity for as long as humanity has
been around. We've always been tryingto figure out One of my favorite quotes
is from Albert Einstein, and hesays that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
It can only be changed from oneform to another. And we are
energy, right, So it's notlike when our bodies stop, our energy
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stops. We're just transformed. Andso then it's like, what do we
become transformed to? That's the question. But there's no doubt that we carry
on. And that fits with ourwork in the paranormal field too. I
mean, when you're investigating the energiesthat we're interacting with needs energy to be
able to communicate with you, andso it'll drain your equipment, it'll it'll
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draw that energy from somewhere. So, yeah, the the energy thing.
I remember first hearing about that,you know, when I was probably a
teenager in terms of more of likeBuddhists thought. But you were reminding me
of the evolution of science and thatit goes back really thousands of years the
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Chinese, Confucius, the ancient Greeks, other parts of the world. But
you know, on record in writtenform we're more familiar with like Confucius and
ancient Greeks, let's say, andthe term atom was derived by those people.
Those philosophers. If it weren't forthe philosophers, we wouldn't have the
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science that we have now. Andso in a sense, I see the
power normal, you know, thespeculative thinking, the modern philosophizing of the
very nature of reality. Metaphysics isthe predecessor for science to be. And
like you said, science is,I guess eventually it has to catch up.
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Well, and that's what the Ageof Aquarius is all about, the
blend of and the merge of scienceand spirituality. So it's like we're going
to see these two worlds coming togethermore and more. I think one form
that that's happening a lot is psychotherapy. And psychology you've got I mean,
you've got therapists who are helping andtalking clients through you know, they're very
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real problems, and I think alot of times those individuals are actually using
a lot of their sixth senses totap into that and don't even know it.
Yeah, and think about even likesome of the therapies that we do
now, like touch therapy, likein reiki, like this is all energy,
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right, but touch therapy is somethingthat's very commonly used. They have
it in nursing homes. You knowit's part of their protocol and the things
that they offer to people. There'ssuch a power in this exchange of energy
that we're able to have with eachother. So I think I'm fascinated by
that piece of it too. Froma paranormal perspective and the energetic exchange that
we have when we go on investigations, I think it's kind of cool.
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I have a great message question fromLivelight. Have had Jessica and Natalie as
intuitives also experience premonitions or messages fromfuture or higher selves? Yes, definitely.
Yeah, that is such a goodquestion. Thanks for asking it with
Yeah, definitely totally. Have hadthings where you have a knowing of something
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that's going to happen. Natalie andI've talked about this before too. I
actually have a journal that I keepof my knowings and then I like to
see which ones actually come true.Sometimes it's kind of creaky. And I
had one occasion where I knew somethingwas going to happen and then it was
actually about my daughter getting into ashow. Do you remember this, Natalie?
And I was like, I'm like, I know she's getting in My
daughter did theater here in the Metroand I was like, I know she's
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getting in. I can feel it. I mean, just I used my
pendulum. Everything was yes. Iwas feeling like, definitely yes. And
then we got the release letter thatshe didn't get in, and I was
like, well, what the heck, I'm never trusting my intuition again.
And then a few weeks later shegot asked to be in it, and
it all came full circle and Iwas like, okay, good, I
can still trust my my intuitive youknow, seeing in the future part.
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And actually, that's that's the wayI work, to be honest, that's
that's my protocol right there. Ithink I've my logic rational brain has done
a lot of work around this,like how and growing up Catholic, you're
taught not to dabble and you don'topen doors, and you have to be
careful with this work. And sowhenever I'm doing a reading, whenever I'm
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working on a house or a spaceor with anyone, I will specifically call
in my higher self to direct everythingthat's happening so that it's in in the
greatest and highest good of all involved. So I will very specifically call on
that whenever I'm doing this work.Because that's how I know I'm being divinely
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guided and not just swaye. Imean, we know that there is trickster
energy out there, and I wantto make sure that I'm not being influenced
by that. So and everything isabout your intention, So I very intentionally
call on my higher self to directso that it's in the greatest and highest
good of everyone. And that actuallycomes up a lot in readings for people.
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When I'm doing a reading for someone, it might not be what you
want to hear because of the waythat I'm work. I'm only going to
give you the messages that are inyour greatest and highest good because that's how
I work. So if if youknow, I might not have the answers
you're looking for, because if it'snot in your greatest good to know something,
I'm not going to be able topick up on it. Have you
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ever felt like you've actually received anintuitive message from your future self. That's
a weird thing to kind of intoit, is it? Because you know,
if time really isn't any right,is it possible that Yeah? I
definitely. My very first paranormal experiencewas I was very little and I didn't
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understand what it was or connected asbeing paranormal in any way. But I
had this very very vivid dream Iwas probably like four or maybe five,
of coming out of my room andseeing my mom standing at the phone crying,
and then she hung out the phoneand she was just a mess,
and she said my Grandpa died.And then I woke up and I walked
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out of my room and that wholescene played out in front of me.
So I don't know if that wascoming from my future self or like how
I had that, but it wasreally trippy and scared me. Yeah,
no, that is trippy. Areyou going to say something badly? No?
I just yeah. I think whenyou're looking at things on when you're
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looking at time as not linear butcyclical, I think that that's absolutely possible.
I don't know how we would knowthe difference, right, Like,
it's hard to Yeah, it's hardto discern, you know where that information
is coming from. Well, tobuild on Live's question two, have you
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ever, in order to communicate witha ghost or spirit, have you ever
called upon any other non human intelligenceto help you do so? Yes,
I think that's that's I think thatwe can have guys and angels from all
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of the dimensions, and if you'relooking at it that way, I mean,
it starts to melt your brain whenyou're starting to think about where all
this information is coming from. Areally good book that helped me sorted out
was Ascensioned Magic by Christopher Penzac.I needed to like have a roadmap,
like, Okay, if I'm talkingto an angel, where is that?
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If I'm working with the aliens,where is that? But when I started
doing work, really heavy duty workclearing houses in space, I had an
alien guide show up for me andhe like the first guy that came in
and just told me his name rightaway, and he talks really fast.
And I would go into these spacesand do energy work to rebalance and restructure
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the energy in the house, andhe would just show me things to do
that weren't coming from me. AndI know it wasn't human, So it
was an entity from a different realmor dimension energetically that was helping me in
that space. So you don't knowit's human because of its consciousness or I
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just didn't identify that. I mean, that's more of my clear cognizance,
like I just know this. Youknow that this is not a human entity
that I'm interacting with. This issomething from a higher plane of existence,
somewhere up there with the angels thatyou know, it is lost Natalie for
a second, right, Yeah,So let's before we, you know,
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go too far without covering this.I want to make sure we just kind
of check in because I'm always interestedto see what you're investigating. As of
late, and we haven't talked muchabout cryptozoology. So, Jessica, is
there anything in particular that you've beenfocusing on. Yeah, we actually finished
a book in October. We haveMonsters of the Midwest, which we did
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several years ago, and our publisherasked us to go ahead and do Monsters
of the Northeast. So we've spenta lot of time researching monster encounters in
the Northeast. As you can imagine, a lot of sea serpents and those
type of things. Big foot tight. Yeah. I was gonna say,
did you report on Champ you're inthe Yeah, okay, Yeah. And
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so what we're working on right nowis now Ghosts of Pennsylvania because they're wanting
us to do some ghost books thatkind of coincide with the regions that we've
done the monster books and so thatone has been. The monsters are always
super fun. I just find themonster tales just fascinating because you have so
many people who witness them, Imean, just credible people who are just
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out minding their own business, right, and they all are seeing this strange
thing. And then the ghost stuff, you know, is just kind of
I don't know, reafferming to mysanity, I suppose, because I'm like,
yeah, so you get grounded whenyou go back to the ghost stuff,
right, Yeah, Well the ghoststuff, we get to dive into
the really dark histories too. Yeah, the way human beings treated each other,
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and that's why this place is wanted. Well, it's funny, Natalie
earlier you're saying that every time yougo somewhere, you're researching everything paranormal about
that place, and it's been it'sbeen said to me, asked of me
recently, like don't you read anythingelse besides UFO books? Why? You
know? Well, and that's thething too, like Nadally and I are
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such history nerds. I mean,like it's just a huge passion of ours
is just going into the archives andresearching. I'll never forget the first time
we weren't friends very long and wewere going to investigate this county poor farm
and we were able to go tothe Historical Society in Minneapolis and we got
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our Historical Society cards and we werelike, Oh, my gosh, we're
so cool. And then we wentinside and they brought out this big box
of archives, you know, becausethey kept talk of everything at the County
coortfront, so we could see likewhen they sold milk and like, you
know, they were very self sufficient. Yeah, the ledgers when a girl
would come in at a certain ageand then you know, six months later
a baby would be added, andyou know, it's just really fascinating.
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But we were like so excited andthat was probably the moment I knew for
sure for sure that Natalie was mysole sister. Yeah. So what is
it about you as friends? Whatdo you think you really jive and connect
and have such like a healthy relationship. I don't know. I think we're
just we're very similar in personalities,yet we're different enough that we compliment each
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other. And I think we're bothreally grounded in a space of just always
wanting the best for everyone, andlike it's fun when you find someone like
that and you can really connect withthem and just be truly totally happy for
each other at every turn, youknow. And I think in publishing it
can get a little caddy and therecan be some jealousy sometimes. And to
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have a friend who's just like you'rejust always happy for one another, you
never feel that twang of any sortof envy. It's just like pure joy.
I don't know, why do youthink we die? Natalie's a vibrational
thing. I think there's more andmore sensitive to vibrations at the further we
move into the age of Aquarius.And I a friend of mine who studies
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astrology, she described it as thefurther we move into the age of Aquarius,
if someone is not in sync inyour vibration, it's going to feel
like nails on a chalkboard. Andso I think it's a feeling too like
it just it feels. And I'mdoing actually a lot of work lately on
past lives, and I think whenyou have that can with someone, there
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can be that that it's it's Imean, we call each other's soul sisters,
and there's a reason for that.I think, you know, you
have that soul connection that goes beyondmaybe even this lifetime and when you've met
up with a soul again in thislife, in this body that you recognize
from a different lifetime, you knowthere's a chemistry there that you can't really
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put into words. So yeah,that's very true. And I feel like
you meet the people that you're supposedto meet exactly the time you're supposed to
meet them. And I don't thinkanything at accidental. I don't believe in
coinstances. I think it's all justbigger hands moving the pieces of the game
around. And so I'm sure wewere meant to be together as friends.
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Yeah, I mean, and it'sa pures the way having you guys on
every time, Like I really reallylove having you, and it's because you
you do you kind of you justvibe in a certain way. So,
Natalie, are you saying that aswe're transitioning into the age of Aquarius that
we should be more sensitive, weshould be able picking up signals better of
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people that shouldn't be in our lifethat we need to I think So,
I mean, I think that's oneway that our higher self or spirit talks
to us, is that that resonanceand that feeling, And I think,
yeah, I mean, I justwent through a divorce, so I have
a lot of personal experience in thisright now. But yeah, I think
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when you when you realize that someone'snot in that same value system or not
in that same frequency, it justit you almost can't not do something about
it. Hm. And how dowe how do we sense that same thing
when when communicating with spirits? Youknow, I'm not talking about like some
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crazy polter guys, But do youalready feel like, you know, maybe
I shouldn't spend my time with thisthis consciousness. Well, I like attracts
like right, and I think oneof we go into our events in a
very high vibration, so we're goingto draw some higher vibration entities. You
know, you can have other groupsor other people who are you know,
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are are just operating in a differentfrequency, and they're going to have a
completely different experience because their frequency isgoing to draw something completely different. Yeah,
and I almost feel like that ickystuff can't even penetrate our circle.
Like you recognize it and you noticeit kind of on the peripheral sometimes,
but it doesn't actually tend to comeinto our space. No, it's not
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comfortable in that vibration. Yeah,Yeah, live light is doing amazingly with
these questions tonight. Really fantastic.So have you ever had a past life
progression done? So? Now,I'm sure we've never asked you guys that
question. I'm meaning no. Iactually have learned a lot about my own
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gifts, and I realized that inthe work that I do, I'm actually
tapping into the Akashak records myself whenI'm doing that. So I've done a
lot of meditations directed at that formyself. I took a Kashak Records class
actually, and there were some guidedvisualizations that we did to kind of tap
into that and just fascinating. Actually, that's what I want my whole next
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book to be about. My firstone was called The Spirit's Way Home,
and it talks a lot about theafterlife and give some definition to that.
I want my next one to becalled The Spirit's Way Forward, like we
all need a roadmap, like howdo we not come back and have to
do this again? I love it, but to kind of get into that,
like, I think there's so muchwe can learn from our past lives
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sometimes, you know, just Iknow that a lot of my own meditations,
you know, over the last fewyears really brought forwards some karma that
I was kind of called to workon in this life, and how my
ex husband was connected to that wasreally fascinating. Interesting. How do you
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feel about astrology? Because I amnever into astrology until I have like an
important decision to make in life oror I'm expecting something, and then I
go on YouTube and I'm like,Okay, what am I going to say
this month? That's funny? AndI'm not really into astrology, like I
think it's cool. I'm just notreally drawn to it. But Natalie knows
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a lot about it, so shewould be a good one to speak to
that. Natalie, you want tospeak again or not? Are we not
hearing you? We're not hearing you. Oh shoot. As far as I
know about astrology, I know I'ma Sagittarius and I feel like that might
be all I know. So that'snot what I can speak to. Oh
(41:51):
shoot, Oh Natalie. Yeah,I can maybe try muting and unmuting,
but I'm turning your volume up alittle bit. Nope. Send me your
thoughts psychically and I'll share them witheveryone. Okay, so why don't you
exit and then try to enter backin again and see if we can connect
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always gremlins and technology that when youwhen you were looking into the New York
area, Northeast area, how prolificwas the presence of Bigfoot. There were
quite a few stories. We didn'tfeature a lot of them that we had
a couple of them. Trying torock my brain to remember them. There
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was one that was called the BigRed Eyes. You heard of that one,
the Big Red Eyes? No,yeah, he was kind of seen
all over the place. I wantto actually try to pull up. Well,
it makes me think of the Mothman, and there have other entities.
Yeah, but he was definitely aBigfoot figure. Okay, yeah, so
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that has was in Sussex County,New Jersey. When was it, last,
reporter, do you remember? I'mgoing, I'm going I'm actually looking
into it real quick because I can'twell, I get all these stories in
my head and I can't keep themall straight. Factually, that's not far
from us at all. Well,she's doing that. I can answer your
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astrology question. Okay, that'd begreat. Yeah, this is why we
have two guests on the show.Seriously, I don't know what's happening with
my WiFi. But no, youasked about that and I didn't know.
I didn't really understand astrology for thelongest time. And then a colleague of
mine studies astrology, and we foundout that our gifts work really well together.
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She's also very legal focused and logicalbrain, and we started doing readings
together and the part of that thatwas fascinating was that I was pulling in
psychic information and she was able toconfirm it in the birth chart and so
and working together, we actually uncoveredI would consistently pull in the same stories
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when certain symbols in the chart werein the same places and they hadn't even
really been identified by other astrologers yetthey were. She was working with some
asteroid goddess chart things, and Iwould consistently pull in the same story for
the client, and she was lookingat the chart, and I guess like
working with her, My logic lawyerbrain really really liked the double layer of
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validation that was coming from working togetherwith someone who had the symbols and had
something tangible to look at. Right, It's like any other kind of investigation.
Yeah, you want to be ableto you know, you know,
cross validate exactly and confirm using differentmethods or instruments or what have you.
So that that's that's fascinating. Itwas, and and I I did better
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with starting points. I'll get aninformation dump if you know. And that's
actually we found out we were weworked well together. Accidentally. We were
actually out at a happy hour onenight and someone asked a question, Hey,
what's going on in my chart?And she's like, well, I
can see this, this, andthis, but I don't know how that's
going to play out in your life. And as soon as she said that,
like everything about my gift clicked onand I got this information dump and
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I was like, oh, well, actually that's going to look like this,
this and this, And we kindof looked at each other and we're
like, WHOA, that's really cool. Let's see what this is about.
And so the starting points come fromthe birth chart. And then so together
we would she and she does evolutionaryastrology, which is the study of the
soul's growth and development over lifetimes,and so we would look and get a
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lot of past life stuff coming inbecause she would look at something and that's
where I would get an information dumpabout this is what it looked like for
you in a past life and that'swhat your karma and soul contract is in
this life. So it was reallycool stuff. What do you think our
consciousness is like outside of these bodies? Because I'm very much a believer that
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our personalities are formed by our geneticsand our environment as well, But it
doesn't mean that consciousness isn't a separatething that extends beyond the body. So
I just wonder, once it leavesthe body again, or the body dies,
what are we left with? Well, I think, you know,
one of the things I'm figuring outis we can be left with a lot
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of trauma. When you've been killedin a past life, or when you've
experienced a lot of traumatic events ina past like that can actually carry with
you into this life. And thenyou've got you've got trauma that you're dealing
with and it didn't even come fromthis life. So I think, you
know, it's like that. It'skind of like I guess there's a couple
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different ways to illustrate it. Youknow, when I'm tapping into someone's costa
records or pulling it's almost like I'mlooking at a book, a really important
book in a library, and everychapter in that book is a lifetime,
so it's it's a book that's readtogether. You know, it is what
makes you. What makes you youdoesn't necessarily just have to come from this
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lifetime. It can be going allthe way back. So you're saying looking
into their Akashak records, what doesthat mean? Like, what are you
seeing? Oh? I see thatas the Akashak record, Like the Akashak
record is like your blueprint for yourlifetime, and you see people's lifetimes,
so you see people's blueprints in asense. Yeah, I think it's I
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think, you know, not notto go totally into a rabbit hole about
the Akashak records because I've taught classeson this stuff, but I think we
each have our own set of Akashakrecords, which is your collection of your
past lives and everything that will comeeventually. But there's also a collective Akashak
records, and that's like a supercomputerthat's recording everything for every moment in time,
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backwards and forwards. And I thinkthat's why healing work is so important.
You know, you talk about timenot being linear, it's cyclical.
So anytime we do any healing workfrom a childhood trauma or a past life
trauma or whatever that is, it'slike we get to go you know that
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that collective Acosta records is like atapestry, like that's multi dimensional, and
it's like we get to go backto that specific moment in time where the
trauma happened, and you can kindof you yank out the black thread and
you get to replace it with healinggolden light, and in doing that that
shifts and changes the picture for everythinggoing forward. Can moment in time,
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can going back to those pages andthen learning from that help one live or
pass on then deal with currentlutely?Yeah, absolutely, I think you know
that's part of what our souls arehere to learn and grow and evolve,
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and so with those moments, youknow, it's it's I mean, that's
the definition of karma. You know, you've got this karma that you come
in with these soul contracts that yousigned up for, and different psychics will
talk about it differently. I tooka class with Kayla Ambrose through the Through
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the Air the Edgar Casey Foundation.They have amazing classes and workshops, and
she talks about it as she couldactually see people's soul contracts in their auras
that light up like a neon sign. So when you've got when it's time
for you to learn this life lessonthat your soul signed up to learn,
it's like that will turn on likea light. She sees it that way.
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It'll turn on like a light todraw that lesson or the people that
have signed up to teach you thoselessons into your life. Right. And
then when you've learned that lesson,you get to the light gets to go
out and you can stop drawing thatyour way. And I think the evidence
of that is we all know thosepeople that keep dating the same person over
and over again and they're not learningtheir lessons about boundaries or whatever that is,
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and then it just keeps happening andit almost gets worse every time,
where the universe is going to keepbringing you that lesson until you learn it,
and then once you've learned it,you can stop drawing that kind of
person into your life. Right.Yeah, Well, I mean there's a
lot of things that I need tolearn then because some people I don't want
to. But you know, thisidea of what was once considered paranormal synesthesia
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used to be something that might havebeen considered crazy and something people didn't talk
about because they when they think interms of numbers, they would see colors
or shapes or this sort of thing, and they would have these kind of
visualizations. And now psychology recognizes,neuroscience recognizes that that that's a legitimate occurrence,
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a phenomena that happens with people.And so when people say now that
they see auras, I think we'reinching that much closer to about validating that
what people psychic mediums and otherwise areexperiencing is a real sensation. Yeah,
phenomenal, they're picking up on something. So Jessica, let's get back to
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your research on the side there.Good. Yeah, they'll give you plenty
of time to pull up our manuscript. I know we're writing so much.
It all runs together, it reallydoes. And I'm a middle aged mom
with a lot in my brain.There's only so much capacity for rememorying things,
but age. Yeah. Right,So the Big Red Eye was,
like I said, in Sussex County, New York or New Jersey. The
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major sightings were in the mid nineteenseventies, and that's really what we focused
on in our story. And thenit was kind of silent for twenty years,
and then it kind of came backagain. There was a resurgence of
sightings in like nineteen ninety five.So it's a seven to eight foot tall
bipedal humanoid with hair oliver its body. The thing that makes it a little
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bit different than and maybe all theother you know, big foot sightings is
that it has this very distinctive kindof reddish glow to its eyes that people
have reported. But the story wefocused on was of a family in the
seventies and it came to their houseand it basically killed all their rabbits,
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well their bunnies, their bunny Sothey heard something. The mom heard something
down in the barn as she wentdown to investigate, and she saw the
rabbit hutch had been opened, andbasically the rabbits were just kind of like
torn to shreds and it was likea crime scene. And so she ran
back up to the house. Andthe next night they because she had heard
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noises out there, like the wheelingsand the howlings, And the next night
they had their dog outside kind oftied up outside, and it started just
freaking out, and so the familyall got guns, like, including the
kids. I don't know how oldthey were, I hope teenagers. But
they just went out side and theyall saw this creature standing in front of
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their dog, ready to attack it, and they just all kind of cut
loose on it with fire, withan arsenal of bullets, and it ran
off, howling into the into thetrees. But it was cited quite a
few times in that area in theseventies, and like I said, then
it just kind of went silent fora while and then I kind of came
back. But they they said thatthe sightings of it dated, you know,
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as far back as like the eighteenhundreds, and if I'm going to
guess, it's probably been around longerthan that too. That's just what we
know of. Well, there isthat sort of visitor phenomena. Some things
come they whether they abduct people oryou know, make a presence known and
they discip appear like Moffman, Perhapsit will reappear sometimes soon, just not
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near us, that would be nice, please. Yeah, But are those
kids are they still around? Theydo they? Sure? I mean if
that was the seventies, they werea little older than that, right,
But they're still around? Wow?And and what do you have a name
for the book yet It's Monsters ofthe Northeast. Oh right, okay,
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yes, yeps the Northeast. Andwhen is it coming out? It will
be yeah, October of this year. It's coming October. That's so exciting.
Yeah. And I think the Ghostone World too at the same time.
So we got to get krack alacinon that one, but we're getting
there. Yeah, and then we'lldefinitely have the heavy back on again for
sure. Yeah. Yeah, Soreally quick, everyone, if you want
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to find out more about Jessica Freeburg, go to Jessica Freeburg with a U
dot com and then Natalie Fowler NatalieFowler f O w l e R dot
com. If you guys can leaveus with any any thoughts whatever, what
would it be. I think we'vetalked a lot about, you know,
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kind of connecting with spirit energy.We've talked a lot about like spirit guides,
like all of these really cool thingsthat have come up, and I
I would just encourage people to beopen to connecting with that within themselves,
you know, and finding time tojust get quiet with yourself and connect with
your higher self or your guides howeveryou want to visualize that. I really
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think that we all have that intuitionin us and that ability to connect with
spirit on a deep and meaningful level. We just don't let ourselves get silent
long enough to do it. We'rejust all so busy all the time.
So that would be my one thingto wed yeap. And I think along
with that, I think it's important, it's really important to remember that life
is happening for us, not tous. I think we really get sucked
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into some of the bad, Likeso many people are going through so many
different things right now, and Ithink if we can step back and detach
and kind of see the it'll helpus see the path forward and help us
remember that you know, this isan whatever is happening is an opportunity for
growth and an opportunity for change,and it doesn't have to be something terrible.
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All right, awesome, thank youso much. I really appreciate it.
It's so good to hang out withyou again. Yeah, always love
it. Yeah for asking Yeah,great, great questions, Sorr. I
couldn't get to your last question live, but maybe next time. So yeah,
we're going to be on a breakagain for about a month. So
I'm glad. I'm glad we're leavingit with you. Two, and until
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You're listening to Mystic Lounge with AlanB. Smith, rebroadcast on the ONEX
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However you are and whenever you are, Welcome, good souls to Mystic Lounge.
This is Alan B. Smith,your most grateful host. I have
two fantastic returning guests with me tonight, Natalie Fowler and Jessica Freeberg. They
are across the board power normal investigatorsand they dip their toes into beasts and
monsters as well. I'm just goingto bring them on right now because they've
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been on the show before and weabsolutely love these two ladies. Welcome,
How are you great? Thanks,Yeah, thanks so much for coming back.
It's been way too long. Ifeel we love hanging out with you
in chat here. Totally mutual.Yeah, yeah, it's such as like
hanging out and having a cup ofcoffee and talking paranormal which is which is
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what I love to do. Yeah, So tonight I wanted to focus with
you on the communication aspect, bridgingthe gap you know, between you know
yourselves investigators in general, and nonhuman intelligences and entities on the other side.
Or living parallel with us. Thispodcast is on the unex network,
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and you know, there's a lotof other shows that explored these territories,
and I want to focus really asclose as we as we can on the
communication aspect, because I think thatsometimes that's a little a little overshadowed by
the what did we capture on video? What do we capture in EVPs?
But the process I think is reallycool too. So let's start Natalie at
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the top of the screens, andwe'll start with you. What are your
approaches that you take initially when youwalk into a space and you're trying to
reach out to an inhabiting spirit.You know, I think my process actually
starts before I even get there.I'll actually do if I'm going to clear
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a house or if we're going onan investigation, I often actually tune into
the space beforehand. I got reallygood at that during COVID. There were
a lot of people reaching out tome because they couldn't get paranormal teams coming
to their house during everybody being lockeddown. So I was offering that as
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a service to people, and itwas part of the work that I was
doing already. I found that Iactually can tune in sometimes better to a
space if I'm not physically in thespace, because then I'm only using my
sixth sense, not being distracted byany other my sight. You know,
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I think I'm a very logical,rational person. So if I'm looking at
something or you know, and Ithink we all know that as as paranormal
investigators, the power of suggestion,right, So if you're if you're gathering
evidence and you're sitting in a circleand somebody starts asking questions, we all
can very much influence each other inthat space. If I'm tuning into a
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space by myself before i even getthere, then I know that I'm only
getting what's in my sixth sense.So so you do you feel any presences
with you kind of like right now? Actually? Yeah, I mean that's
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a great thing to address. Imean, do you do you do you
tap into spirit at random? Hopeyou're kind of breaking up there a little
bit. Netalie y we lost heraudio you there are we back the okay?
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So we're talking about your your friends. It's funny because this is about
spirits. I'm I'm not surprobably somethingweird like you're attracting and they're interfering with
our tech right now? Uh yeah, So anyway, I for me,
I I I I have to turnit on. But what's so for example,
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if I'm working in a space,or if I'm working on a house
or something like that, I actuallyhave to kind of go into a meditate,
a meditative state, and I willtap in and tune in that way.
An interesting thing is happening though.Lately. I think that the veils
are shifting, and I think they'rea lot closer together than they ever have
been before. And now things arestarting to happen more when I'm not expecting
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it, one example. So Ithink part of this is because I grew
up just so guarded with some ofthis stuff and not always willing to talk
about it. It took me along long time to be open and comfortable
talking about some of the things thatI'm seeing and sensing and feeling because you
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feel crazy and getting to that comfortlevel of being okay, like yeah,
I actually can do this, andI can. I this is a gift
that I have. So I thinkI just naturally am very compartmentalized in my
life and things are kind of lockeddown. For example, you don't want
to go into Walmart and pick upon everybody's stuff all the time. So
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I keep pretty locked down. Butwhat's happening more and more lately is that
I'll get kind of blindsided by somethingor someone that needs to say something.
This happened. Happened actually last year. At this time, I was visiting
my son in college at the MollyBrown House. He goes to school in
Denver, so my daughter is doesonline school. Whenever we're traveling somewhere like
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that, I always will. Shemakes fun of me because I'll always find
the haunted thing or the history thingor the historical old creepy house to go
tour because I always just take advantageof that whenever I'm in a city,
like what can we go look at? What can we go find and learn
about? And I dragged her withme to the Molly Brown House, and
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you know, I hadn't done anyresearch to really know anything about it being
haunted or anything like that, butso we were going through the house and
I wasn't necessarily tuning in. Iwas reading the history and looking at all
of that. And the way themuseum works is that you start up,
they're very specific about how they directyou through the house, so you have
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to go all the way up beforeyou can come all the way back down
again. And we were come backdown into the kitchen and I got hit
with this wave of irritation, completeirritation and frustration, and I look and
the sink was filled with it wasstaged. So the kitchen was staged and
the sink was filled with dishes andthis energy like it was a servant type
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energy. And she was so upsetthat they staged her kitchen to look messy,
and she's like, please, youhave to tell them that I would
never have left the kitchen looking likethis. This is not how I kept
my kitchen and this is not okay. So my daughter, who it's thirteen
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fourteen, she's like, oh mygod, Mom, you're not really going
to go tell the museum people thatthey have to clean up the kitchen,
are you. Like, well,she's pretty insistent. So we had to
go all the way back up untilwe found the one person working upstairs and
like, Okay, this is gonnasound crazy, but you know, but
that's also when that that kind ofstuff happens to me, and it's really
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out of the blue and it's superrandom like that That's also how I know
I'm not making it up because thatwas so far from my mind. That's
not what I was thinking about.I had, you know, in that
moment, I wasn't even thinking I'mpsychic. I'm trying to pick up on
anything. It was super unintentional andjust kind of happened accidentally. So well,
Natalie, you were you studied law, right? Yeah? Is it
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a thing or yeah? Like areyou Yeah? I mean, I mean
that's how we I mean, that'show we get our books written, like
you know, and right now I'ma single mom and and managing all kinds
of stuff and and yeah, butwe're also super creative. So but yeah,
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it's like you gotta okay, I'mgoing to get this, this and
this done. So yes, I'mI would call my self type A.
Do any of your children show anysigns of psychic Oh? Yeah, all
of them? Yeah. Can Italk about that all the time. A
lot of our own work in thisis to better understand what's happening so that
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we can better explain it for ourkids. You know, when I was
a little girl and talking about thethings that scared me in the dark shadows
in my room that I was seeingor the different things that I was questioning.
Everyone in my life just told methere's no such thing as ghosts.
It's just your imagination. So whenmy kids, at the same age as
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were asking me those questions, Iwas already writing ghost stories, you know,
I was already going on paranormal investigations. I needed something better. I
needed to be able to explain somethingsomething a little bit more thoroughly and give
them better explaining. Yeah, whatabout you and Jessica your children's Yeah,
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me, similarly to what Natalie wassaying. Really, my first book that
I wrote Is was a novel abouta girl who could see spirits and discern
whether they were good spirits or badspirits. And she was very much based
on my personal experience growing up andnoticing spirit energies. And I grew up
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in a family, well it wasa mixed family because my parents were divorced
and remarried. So I had,you know, my Lutheran side, and
then I had my evangelical side.And I would ask my dad my evangelical
side, like why am I seeingthese things? Because it was happening a
lot, and it was happening evenwhen friends were around, and they would
hear the voices that I was hearing, Like there were a lot of instances
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where I felt like my friends wereafraid to be around me for a while
when I was younger, and sothese people were literally hearing what you were
here. Yeah, there was oneinstance when we were out at this old
farm, my friend and I,and we were dressed up in these old
fashioned dresses as we used to loveto play dress up and like pretend like
we lived in you know, thePrairie Times or whatever I used to do.
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Yeah, and so we're at thisabandoned house. My dad was inside,
like taking some stuff out of it. It was owned by one of
my uncles, and they were cleaningit out, and it was really kind
of creepy. It had a veryicky vibe to it, and I was
super uncomfortable inside. So I wentoutside with my friend and we were walking
from the house and we both heardthis crying voice saying, help me,
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help me. And then there wasa point where she was standing in front
of me and I could see somethingkind of reach up. I couldn't see
what was reaching out, but Isaw her skirt pull up like the indentation
of fingertips almost pulling her skirt upin front of me, and I was
really freaked out. And that waswhen I was just We went and got
my dad and we're like, somethingreally bad is happening. There's somebody out
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here hurt, and he looked allover the farm there was nothing, but
she heard it too, And thatwas the time when I was crying.
On the way home. I wasand this had happened so many times,
and I was like, why whyam I seeing these things? Why are
these things happening? And my dad'sresponse, and he's a wonderful, lovely
human and I hate to say this, but his response was, it's demons,
you know, like because it didn'thave angels wings and it wasn't like
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demons. I was just kind oflike, you know, it's obviously demons,
you know. Was he concerned aboutyou? I'm sure I was probably
still is, but yeah, sothat terrified me even more, right because
I was like ten, and I'mlike, what did I ever do that
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demons would be following me around?And a lot of times it didn't feel
negative. I mean most of thetime it just felt like like something was
there or something wanted my attention.Another example was in my dad's house.
Someone had passed away, and Ididn't realize that. I never knew that
until I was actually an adult.But I was sitting downstairs. My step
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mom was upstairs, was doing herart, and we were the only two
people in the house, and Iwas sitting in the den watching TV.
We only got like a couple ofmarbles a week, which is really sad.
We had marbles that we had tolike pay out for TV programs,
and so I was watching PBS.So I think I was watching like Salsme
Street or something, and I sawsomeone come through the den of a corner
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of my eye, but I waslike not looking away from that TV because
this was like my hour that Ipaid for with my marble, and so
I just caught them going through thecorner of my eye, and I saw
the bathroom door open and then closed, which was right around the corner of
the den, and so I figuredit was my stepmom, right, were
the only two people there, andshe never came out and never came out,
and so I went and knocked onthe door and nobody answered, and
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I opened it up and the lightwas on, but nobody was there.
So I went upstairs and I waslike, well, how did you get
out of the bathroom without me seeingyou? And she's like, I haven't
left this room the whole time.Well, fast forward about twenty years and
my husband and I had accidentally purchaseda house that someone had committed to his
and I was seeing this woman inour house and like and then we found
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out what happened, and I waslike, I cannot live here. But
I called my stepmom and I waslike, I can't live in this house
where someone died, like and Ijust can't do it. And she's like,
oh, someone died in that housethat we lived in when you were
growing up. I was like what, She's like, yeah, they died
in that bathroom. I was like, what, So that explains right much
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of what you experience. Yeah,yeah, it definitely did. So.
Well. You know, here's thething that I always think about. No
matter where we are, I feellike there there might must be some presence,
some goo, some spirit that's lingering. I mean, people have died
in the woods, in the fields, there's been wars. Every building in
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this country, in particular around theworld, you know, have people that
have lived and most likely died nearby. You know, so are we just
populated. Are there just e spiritseverywhere? Or you know, what's what's
your take? Yes, yeah,everything is haunted. And I think like
also too, you know, justthe work that we've done at the Palmer
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House and being up there and justthat's such a fascinating experience because you have
all levels of experience with the paranormalcoming in and out of there. So
you get so many people that havenever experienced anything paranormal coming in and so
you've got all the different knowledge pointsand the you know, just just helping
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to clarify some of maybe the misconceptionsabout ghosts and trapped energies. Like I
really, in my work and inour experience, I don't think things have
to stay in one place. Imean, I think sometimes that happens,
for sure, and it depends onwhat kind of haunting you're dealing with,
Like a residual haunting is going tohappen in the same place over and over
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again. But you know, Ithink I think sometimes to our energy is
such a bright light to spirits.And we talk about this with our kids
all the time, Like your energythat you're putting off is a bright light.
And if there's an entity or asoul that's stuck in that darkness.
They're going to follow the light asa way to try to to get help
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or just you know, in theirconfusion, it's something for them to kind
of hook onto. So I thinkspirit can, I think ghosts can don't
have to necessarily stay in one place. And that's one of my favorite questions
to get at the Palmer House isthey'll ask somebody you'll call and ask for
the most haunted room, or theywant to stay in a room that's not
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haunted, and then you have toexplain, well, you know, we
can't just make them stay out ofyour room, or you know, it's
you know, it's funny. Mydaughter started working there bussing tables the least
several times we've been up there,and I was so proud of her for
this answer. But somebody, andyou know, everybody coming and wants to
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hear the stories, wants to wantthe inside scoop. And so she was
clearing off some dishes and somebody askedher, you know how many gals are
here, and without skipping a beat, she just deadpanned, well, I
don't know the person who was supposedto take attendance this morning forgot ye from
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her mom. Yeah, there's nopossible way to really know, you know,
I think we get so hooked onthat as paranormal investigators sometimes that oh,
this is the story that we've heardfrom this room, So then you
focus on that particular room when whenit could be anybody, and then you're
kind of missing out on the opportunityto actually get to know who is there
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if you're only fixed on that onename. I've noticed too, like when
we go to different locations and reallyanywhere we've gone, I always say,
we've never not had an experience.We never don't have inner action, and
it's I almost don't think it matterswhere we are, or like they kind
of just come. You know.There's been occasions where we've been doing investigations
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and and getting a lot of EVPsof a name over and over again,
and it's coming through on a bunchof different advices and everything's going off it
and it feels like it was neverattached to that place, but like it
was coming by and the light andthey're like, hey, they can see
me, or they can notice me. It's kind of just walking bying on.
Oh what's that? Yeah, youknow, yeah, I tell a
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house. Was that the one inwho get use and Anderson House mixed up?
But yeah, yeah, go AndersonHouses and wabashah, yeah. Yeah.
We were talking to the owner ofthe Shanley Hotel here in the Hudson
Valley and she was telling us thatshe feels like because it's a hotel and
has that history, and it's forlike a hundred years, it's been a
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place of you know, social gatheringthat like other spirits might drift in kind
of like see stop in and seewhat's going on over here. It's quite
busy well. And I also thinkthat there's a difference between spirit energy,
and it's like it's almost like there'snot even human words to describe this,
but there's a difference between a ghostenergy that's maybe trapped or connected to a
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space or stuck in that in betweenlayer I like to call it. I
just I call it in between becausethat makes sense in my brain. But
but there's also spirit energy, whichcan be our loved ones that are coming
from the other side to check onus. And I think that, you
know, in my work and understandingof this our heaven. You know,
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I grew up Catholics, so that'smy framework is to think of things.
You know, heaven is the otherside. I think our heaven actually gets
to be wherever we want it tobe. And why wouldn't we come back
to check on our loved ones afterwe've gone, you know, if you're
if you are grandfather, And it'sfunny, I actually even had this conversation
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with my dad before he passed,and like, you know, your heaven
gets to be wherever you want itto be. So if you want that
to be fishing with your grandkids afteryou're gone, of course you can come
back and hang out with them onthe dock and go fishing with them if
you want. And I think tothink about it like that is just so
much more comforting. You know,we're taught in Sunday School that heaven is
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this really far away place, andI don't think it has to be.
I think it can be wherever youwant it to be in your afterlife.
Well, it reminds me of themovie What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams.
Yeah, and I like that ideabecause I tend to be leaning more
towards this idea that we are livingin a in a sort of a simulation,
using that word to the best asthe best metaphor as possible, because
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I don't I couldn't really know whatit's like. You know, we know
what a video game is like,and we know that physics suggests that reality
kind of renders itself around consciousness,so it comes into order when it's being
observed, whether by instruments or byour own eyes. And then I thought
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about what you were saying and whatdreams may come, and that kind of
makes sense. It's like, ifthat's this reality, if on whatever the
other side is, maybe we canrender like but consciously rendered, like like
yeah, you know, bring uplike, Okay, this is my favorite
beach and this is where I amnow, and that's that's heaven or whatever
you call it. Right. Ithink that we're starting to catch like quantum
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physics is starting to catch up withsome of this stuff. I participated in
an essay contest a couple of yearsago with a colleague of my colleague of
ours, Kevin Swanson, who doeshe invents his own equipment and does a
lot of the science y stuff andhis brain works different than I do.
And there was an essay contest thatsomeone posted looking for proof. The question
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was, can you prove beyond areasonable doubt that consciousness exists after death,
after bodily death. And we've actuallyhad that conversation so many times we were
like, how do we not tryto attempt this? And in the research
for that, you know, yougo into the past life memories and children
research and all the past life workthat's been done and the studies that the
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professors have done on that, andthat's just like tangible evidence that you can't
explain any other way than the soulis now coming back again in this new
body. And that's always fascinated me. And also the near death experience research.
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That's also the quantum physics in someof those books that it starts to
explain, Okay, here your consciousnessisn't in your brain, it's your soul.
And this is where we don't evenhave human language to describe it sometimes.
Yeah, and I don't think we'reever going to be able to wrap
our brains around it really. Imean, we can come really close.
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But it's been something I think that'sfascinated humanity for as long as humanity has
been around. We've always been tryingto figure out One of my favorite quotes
is from Albert Einstein, and hesays that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
It can only be changed from oneform to another. And we are
energy, right, So it's notlike when our bodies stop, our energy
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stops. We're just transformed. Andso then it's like, what do we
become transformed to? That's the question. But there's no doubt that we carry
on. And that fits with ourwork in the paranormal field too. I
mean, when you're investigating the energiesthat we're interacting with needs energy to be
able to communicate with you, andso it'll drain your equipment, it'll it'll
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draw that energy from somewhere. So, yeah, the the energy thing.
I remember first hearing about that,you know, when I was probably a
teenager in terms of more of likeBuddhists thought. But you were reminding me
of the evolution of science and thatit goes back really thousands of years the
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Chinese, Confucius, the ancient Greeks, other parts of the world. But
you know, on record in writtenform we're more familiar with like Confucius and
ancient Greeks, let's say, andthe term atom was derived by those people.
Those philosophers. If it weren't forthe philosophers, we wouldn't have the
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science that we have now. Andso in a sense, I see the
power normal, you know, thespeculative thinking, the modern philosophizing of the
very nature of reality. Metaphysics isthe predecessor for science to be. And
like you said, science is,I guess eventually it has to catch up.
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Well, and that's what the Ageof Aquarius is all about, the
blend of and the merge of scienceand spirituality. So it's like we're going
to see these two worlds coming togethermore and more. I think one form
that that's happening a lot is psychotherapy. And psychology you've got I mean,
you've got therapists who are helping andtalking clients through you know, they're very
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real problems, and I think alot of times those individuals are actually using
a lot of their sixth senses totap into that and don't even know it.
Yeah, and think about even likesome of the therapies that we do
now, like touch therapy, likein reiki, like this is all energy,
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right, but touch therapy is somethingthat's very commonly used. They have
it in nursing homes. You knowit's part of their protocol and the things
that they offer to people. There'ssuch a power in this exchange of energy
that we're able to have with eachother. So I think I'm fascinated by
that piece of it too. Froma paranormal perspective and the energetic exchange that
we have when we go on investigations, I think it's kind of cool.
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I have a great message question fromLivelight. Have had Jessica and Natalie as
intuitives also experience premonitions or messages fromfuture or higher selves? Yes, definitely.
Yeah, that is such a goodquestion. Thanks for asking it with
Yeah, definitely totally. Have hadthings where you have a knowing of something
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that's going to happen. Natalie andI've talked about this before too. I
actually have a journal that I keepof my knowings and then I like to
see which ones actually come true.Sometimes it's kind of creaky. And I
had one occasion where I knew somethingwas going to happen and then it was
actually about my daughter getting into ashow. Do you remember this, Natalie?
And I was like, I'm like, I know she's getting in My
daughter did theater here in the Metroand I was like, I know she's
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getting in. I can feel it. I mean, just I used my
pendulum. Everything was yes. Iwas feeling like, definitely yes. And
then we got the release letter thatshe didn't get in, and I was
like, well, what the heck, I'm never trusting my intuition again.
And then a few weeks later shegot asked to be in it, and
it all came full circle and Iwas like, okay, good, I
can still trust my my intuitive youknow, seeing in the future part.
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And actually, that's that's the wayI work, to be honest, that's
that's my protocol right there. Ithink I've my logic rational brain has done
a lot of work around this,like how and growing up Catholic, you're
taught not to dabble and you don'topen doors, and you have to be
careful with this work. And sowhenever I'm doing a reading, whenever I'm
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working on a house or a spaceor with anyone, I will specifically call
in my higher self to direct everythingthat's happening so that it's in in the
greatest and highest good of all involved. So I will very specifically call on
that whenever I'm doing this work.Because that's how I know I'm being divinely
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guided and not just swaye. Imean, we know that there is trickster
energy out there, and I wantto make sure that I'm not being influenced
by that. So and everything isabout your intention, So I very intentionally
call on my higher self to directso that it's in the greatest and highest
good of everyone. And that actuallycomes up a lot in readings for people.
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When I'm doing a reading for someone, it might not be what you
want to hear because of the waythat I'm work. I'm only going to
give you the messages that are inyour greatest and highest good because that's how
I work. So if if youknow, I might not have the answers
you're looking for, because if it'snot in your greatest good to know something,
I'm not going to be able topick up on it. Have you
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ever felt like you've actually received anintuitive message from your future self. That's
a weird thing to kind of intoit, is it? Because you know,
if time really isn't any right,is it possible that Yeah? I
definitely. My very first paranormal experiencewas I was very little and I didn't
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understand what it was or connected asbeing paranormal in any way. But I
had this very very vivid dream Iwas probably like four or maybe five,
of coming out of my room andseeing my mom standing at the phone crying,
and then she hung out the phoneand she was just a mess,
and she said my Grandpa died.And then I woke up and I walked
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out of my room and that wholescene played out in front of me.
So I don't know if that wascoming from my future self or like how
I had that, but it wasreally trippy and scared me. Yeah,
no, that is trippy. Areyou going to say something badly? No?
I just yeah. I think whenyou're looking at things on when you're
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looking at time as not linear butcyclical, I think that that's absolutely possible.
I don't know how we would knowthe difference, right, Like,
it's hard to Yeah, it's hardto discern, you know where that information
is coming from. Well, tobuild on Live's question two, have you
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ever, in order to communicate witha ghost or spirit, have you ever
called upon any other non human intelligenceto help you do so? Yes,
I think that's that's I think thatwe can have guys and angels from all
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of the dimensions, and if you'relooking at it that way, I mean,
it starts to melt your brain whenyou're starting to think about where all
this information is coming from. Areally good book that helped me sorted out
was Ascensioned Magic by Christopher Penzac.I needed to like have a roadmap,
like, Okay, if I'm talkingto an angel, where is that?
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If I'm working with the aliens,where is that? But when I started
doing work, really heavy duty workclearing houses in space, I had an
alien guide show up for me andhe like the first guy that came in
and just told me his name rightaway, and he talks really fast.
And I would go into these spacesand do energy work to rebalance and restructure
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the energy in the house, andhe would just show me things to do
that weren't coming from me. AndI know it wasn't human, So it
was an entity from a different realmor dimension energetically that was helping me in
that space. So you don't knowit's human because of its consciousness or I
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just didn't identify that. I mean, that's more of my clear cognizance,
like I just know this. Youknow that this is not a human entity
that I'm interacting with. This issomething from a higher plane of existence,
somewhere up there with the angels thatyou know, it is lost Natalie for
a second, right, Yeah,So let's before we, you know,
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go too far without covering this.I want to make sure we just kind
of check in because I'm always interestedto see what you're investigating. As of
late, and we haven't talked muchabout cryptozoology. So, Jessica, is
there anything in particular that you've beenfocusing on. Yeah, we actually finished
a book in October. We haveMonsters of the Midwest, which we did
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several years ago, and our publisherasked us to go ahead and do Monsters
of the Northeast. So we've spenta lot of time researching monster encounters in
the Northeast. As you can imagine, a lot of sea serpents and those
type of things. Big foot tight. Yeah. I was gonna say,
did you report on Champ you're inthe Yeah, okay, Yeah. And
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so what we're working on right nowis now Ghosts of Pennsylvania because they're wanting
us to do some ghost books thatkind of coincide with the regions that we've
done the monster books and so thatone has been. The monsters are always
super fun. I just find themonster tales just fascinating because you have so
many people who witness them, Imean, just credible people who are just
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out minding their own business, right, and they all are seeing this strange
thing. And then the ghost stuff, you know, is just kind of
I don't know, reafferming to mysanity, I suppose, because I'm like,
yeah, so you get grounded whenyou go back to the ghost stuff,
right, Yeah, Well the ghoststuff, we get to dive into
the really dark histories too. Yeah, the way human beings treated each other,
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and that's why this place is wanted. Well, it's funny, Natalie
earlier you're saying that every time yougo somewhere, you're researching everything paranormal about
that place, and it's been it'sbeen said to me, asked of me
recently, like don't you read anythingelse besides UFO books? Why? You
know? Well, and that's thething too, like Nadally and I are
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such history nerds. I mean,like it's just a huge passion of ours
is just going into the archives andresearching. I'll never forget the first time
we weren't friends very long and wewere going to investigate this county poor farm
and we were able to go tothe Historical Society in Minneapolis and we got
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our Historical Society cards and we werelike, Oh, my gosh, we're
so cool. And then we wentinside and they brought out this big box
of archives, you know, becausethey kept talk of everything at the County
coortfront, so we could see likewhen they sold milk and like, you
know, they were very self sufficient. Yeah, the ledgers when a girl
would come in at a certain ageand then you know, six months later
a baby would be added, andyou know, it's just really fascinating.
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But we were like so excited andthat was probably the moment I knew for
sure for sure that Natalie was mysole sister. Yeah. So what is
it about you as friends? Whatdo you think you really jive and connect
and have such like a healthy relationship. I don't know. I think we're
just we're very similar in personalities,yet we're different enough that we compliment each
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other. And I think we're bothreally grounded in a space of just always
wanting the best for everyone, andlike it's fun when you find someone like
that and you can really connect withthem and just be truly totally happy for
each other at every turn, youknow. And I think in publishing it
can get a little caddy and therecan be some jealousy sometimes. And to
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have a friend who's just like you'rejust always happy for one another, you
never feel that twang of any sortof envy. It's just like pure joy.
I don't know, why do youthink we die? Natalie's a vibrational
thing. I think there's more andmore sensitive to vibrations at the further we
move into the age of Aquarius.And I a friend of mine who studies
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astrology, she described it as thefurther we move into the age of Aquarius,
if someone is not in sync inyour vibration, it's going to feel
like nails on a chalkboard. Andso I think it's a feeling too like
it just it feels. And I'mdoing actually a lot of work lately on
past lives, and I think whenyou have that can with someone, there
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can be that that it's it's Imean, we call each other's soul sisters,
and there's a reason for that.I think, you know, you
have that soul connection that goes beyondmaybe even this lifetime and when you've met
up with a soul again in thislife, in this body that you recognize
from a different lifetime, you knowthere's a chemistry there that you can't really
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put into words. So yeah,that's very true. And I feel like
you meet the people that you're supposedto meet exactly the time you're supposed to
meet them. And I don't thinkanything at accidental. I don't believe in
coinstances. I think it's all justbigger hands moving the pieces of the game
around. And so I'm sure wewere meant to be together as friends.
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Yeah, I mean, and it'sa pures the way having you guys on
every time, Like I really reallylove having you, and it's because you
you do you kind of you justvibe in a certain way. So,
Natalie, are you saying that aswe're transitioning into the age of Aquarius that
we should be more sensitive, weshould be able picking up signals better of
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people that shouldn't be in our lifethat we need to I think So,
I mean, I think that's oneway that our higher self or spirit talks
to us, is that that resonanceand that feeling, And I think,
yeah, I mean, I justwent through a divorce, so I have
a lot of personal experience in thisright now. But yeah, I think
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when you when you realize that someone'snot in that same value system or not
in that same frequency, it justit you almost can't not do something about
it. Hm. And how dowe how do we sense that same thing
when when communicating with spirits? Youknow, I'm not talking about like some
(38:51):
crazy polter guys, But do youalready feel like, you know, maybe
I shouldn't spend my time with thisthis consciousness. Well, I like attracts
like right, and I think oneof we go into our events in a
very high vibration, so we're goingto draw some higher vibration entities. You
know, you can have other groupsor other people who are you know,
(39:13):
are are just operating in a differentfrequency, and they're going to have a
completely different experience because their frequency isgoing to draw something completely different. Yeah,
and I almost feel like that ickystuff can't even penetrate our circle.
Like you recognize it and you noticeit kind of on the peripheral sometimes,
but it doesn't actually tend to comeinto our space. No, it's not
(39:37):
comfortable in that vibration. Yeah,Yeah, live light is doing amazingly with
these questions tonight. Really fantastic.So have you ever had a past life
progression done? So? Now,I'm sure we've never asked you guys that
question. I'm meaning no. Iactually have learned a lot about my own
(39:58):
gifts, and I realized that inthe work that I do, I'm actually
tapping into the Akashak records myself whenI'm doing that. So I've done a
lot of meditations directed at that formyself. I took a Kashak Records class
actually, and there were some guidedvisualizations that we did to kind of tap
into that and just fascinating. Actually, that's what I want my whole next
(40:21):
book to be about. My firstone was called The Spirit's Way Home,
and it talks a lot about theafterlife and give some definition to that.
I want my next one to becalled The Spirit's Way Forward, like we
all need a roadmap, like howdo we not come back and have to
do this again? I love it, but to kind of get into that,
like, I think there's so muchwe can learn from our past lives
(40:44):
sometimes, you know, just Iknow that a lot of my own meditations,
you know, over the last fewyears really brought forwards some karma that
I was kind of called to workon in this life, and how my
ex husband was connected to that wasreally fascinating. Interesting. How do you
(41:05):
feel about astrology? Because I amnever into astrology until I have like an
important decision to make in life oror I'm expecting something, and then I
go on YouTube and I'm like,Okay, what am I going to say
this month? That's funny? AndI'm not really into astrology, like I
think it's cool. I'm just notreally drawn to it. But Natalie knows
(41:27):
a lot about it, so shewould be a good one to speak to
that. Natalie, you want tospeak again or not? Are we not
hearing you? We're not hearing you. Oh shoot. As far as I
know about astrology, I know I'ma Sagittarius and I feel like that might
be all I know. So that'snot what I can speak to. Oh
(41:51):
shoot, Oh Natalie. Yeah,I can maybe try muting and unmuting,
but I'm turning your volume up alittle bit. Nope. Send me your
thoughts psychically and I'll share them witheveryone. Okay, so why don't you
exit and then try to enter backin again and see if we can connect
(42:13):
always gremlins and technology that when youwhen you were looking into the New York
area, Northeast area, how prolificwas the presence of Bigfoot. There were
quite a few stories. We didn'tfeature a lot of them that we had
a couple of them. Trying torock my brain to remember them. There
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was one that was called the BigRed Eyes. You heard of that one,
the Big Red Eyes? No,yeah, he was kind of seen
all over the place. I wantto actually try to pull up. Well,
it makes me think of the Mothman, and there have other entities.
Yeah, but he was definitely aBigfoot figure. Okay, yeah, so
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that has was in Sussex County,New Jersey. When was it, last,
reporter, do you remember? I'mgoing, I'm going I'm actually looking
into it real quick because I can'twell, I get all these stories in
my head and I can't keep themall straight. Factually, that's not far
from us at all. Well,she's doing that. I can answer your
(43:20):
astrology question. Okay, that'd begreat. Yeah, this is why we
have two guests on the show.Seriously, I don't know what's happening with
my WiFi. But no, youasked about that and I didn't know.
I didn't really understand astrology for thelongest time. And then a colleague of
mine studies astrology, and we foundout that our gifts work really well together.
(43:42):
She's also very legal focused and logicalbrain, and we started doing readings
together and the part of that thatwas fascinating was that I was pulling in
psychic information and she was able toconfirm it in the birth chart and so
and working together, we actually uncoveredI would consistently pull in the same stories
(44:06):
when certain symbols in the chart werein the same places and they hadn't even
really been identified by other astrologers yetthey were. She was working with some
asteroid goddess chart things, and Iwould consistently pull in the same story for
the client, and she was lookingat the chart, and I guess like
working with her, My logic lawyerbrain really really liked the double layer of
(44:30):
validation that was coming from working togetherwith someone who had the symbols and had
something tangible to look at. Right, It's like any other kind of investigation.
Yeah, you want to be ableto you know, you know,
cross validate exactly and confirm using differentmethods or instruments or what have you.
So that that's that's fascinating. Itwas, and and I I did better
(44:52):
with starting points. I'll get aninformation dump if you know. And that's
actually we found out we were weworked well together. Accidentally. We were
actually out at a happy hour onenight and someone asked a question, Hey,
what's going on in my chart?And she's like, well, I
can see this, this, andthis, but I don't know how that's
going to play out in your life. And as soon as she said that,
like everything about my gift clicked onand I got this information dump and
(45:15):
I was like, oh, well, actually that's going to look like this,
this and this, And we kindof looked at each other and we're
like, WHOA, that's really cool. Let's see what this is about.
And so the starting points come fromthe birth chart. And then so together
we would she and she does evolutionaryastrology, which is the study of the
soul's growth and development over lifetimes,and so we would look and get a
(45:38):
lot of past life stuff coming inbecause she would look at something and that's
where I would get an information dumpabout this is what it looked like for
you in a past life and that'swhat your karma and soul contract is in
this life. So it was reallycool stuff. What do you think our
consciousness is like outside of these bodies? Because I'm very much a believer that
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our personalities are formed by our geneticsand our environment as well, But it
doesn't mean that consciousness isn't a separatething that extends beyond the body. So
I just wonder, once it leavesthe body again, or the body dies,
what are we left with? Well, I think, you know,
one of the things I'm figuring outis we can be left with a lot
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of trauma. When you've been killedin a past life, or when you've
experienced a lot of traumatic events ina past like that can actually carry with
you into this life. And thenyou've got you've got trauma that you're dealing
with and it didn't even come fromthis life. So I think, you
know, it's like that. It'skind of like I guess there's a couple
(46:45):
different ways to illustrate it. Youknow, when I'm tapping into someone's costa
records or pulling it's almost like I'mlooking at a book, a really important
book in a library, and everychapter in that book is a lifetime,
so it's it's a book that's readtogether. You know, it is what
makes you. What makes you youdoesn't necessarily just have to come from this
(47:08):
lifetime. It can be going allthe way back. So you're saying looking
into their Akashak records, what doesthat mean? Like, what are you
seeing? Oh? I see thatas the Akashak record, Like the Akashak
record is like your blueprint for yourlifetime, and you see people's lifetimes,
so you see people's blueprints in asense. Yeah, I think it's I
(47:30):
think, you know, not notto go totally into a rabbit hole about
the Akashak records because I've taught classeson this stuff, but I think we
each have our own set of Akashakrecords, which is your collection of your
past lives and everything that will comeeventually. But there's also a collective Akashak
records, and that's like a supercomputerthat's recording everything for every moment in time,
(47:54):
backwards and forwards. And I thinkthat's why healing work is so important.
You know, you talk about timenot being linear, it's cyclical.
So anytime we do any healing workfrom a childhood trauma or a past life
trauma or whatever that is, it'slike we get to go you know that
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that collective Acosta records is like atapestry, like that's multi dimensional, and
it's like we get to go backto that specific moment in time where the
trauma happened, and you can kindof you yank out the black thread and
you get to replace it with healinggolden light, and in doing that that
shifts and changes the picture for everythinggoing forward. Can moment in time,
(48:37):
can going back to those pages andthen learning from that help one live or
pass on then deal with currentlutely?Yeah, absolutely, I think you know
that's part of what our souls arehere to learn and grow and evolve,
(48:58):
and so with those moments, youknow, it's it's I mean, that's
the definition of karma. You know, you've got this karma that you come
in with these soul contracts that yousigned up for, and different psychics will
talk about it differently. I tooka class with Kayla Ambrose through the Through
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the Air the Edgar Casey Foundation.They have amazing classes and workshops, and
she talks about it as she couldactually see people's soul contracts in their auras
that light up like a neon sign. So when you've got when it's time
for you to learn this life lessonthat your soul signed up to learn,
it's like that will turn on likea light. She sees it that way.
(49:40):
It'll turn on like a light todraw that lesson or the people that
have signed up to teach you thoselessons into your life. Right. And
then when you've learned that lesson,you get to the light gets to go
out and you can stop drawing thatyour way. And I think the evidence
of that is we all know thosepeople that keep dating the same person over
and over again and they're not learningtheir lessons about boundaries or whatever that is,
(50:04):
and then it just keeps happening andit almost gets worse every time,
where the universe is going to keepbringing you that lesson until you learn it,
and then once you've learned it,you can stop drawing that kind of
person into your life. Right.Yeah, Well, I mean there's a
lot of things that I need tolearn then because some people I don't want
to. But you know, thisidea of what was once considered paranormal synesthesia
(50:30):
used to be something that might havebeen considered crazy and something people didn't talk
about because they when they think interms of numbers, they would see colors
or shapes or this sort of thing, and they would have these kind of
visualizations. And now psychology recognizes,neuroscience recognizes that that that's a legitimate occurrence,
(50:52):
a phenomena that happens with people.And so when people say now that
they see auras, I think we'reinching that much closer to about validating that
what people psychic mediums and otherwise areexperiencing is a real sensation. Yeah,
phenomenal, they're picking up on something. So Jessica, let's get back to
(51:13):
your research on the side there.Good. Yeah, they'll give you plenty
of time to pull up our manuscript. I know we're writing so much.
It all runs together, it reallydoes. And I'm a middle aged mom
with a lot in my brain.There's only so much capacity for rememorying things,
but age. Yeah. Right,So the Big Red Eye was,
like I said, in Sussex County, New York or New Jersey. The
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major sightings were in the mid nineteenseventies, and that's really what we focused
on in our story. And thenit was kind of silent for twenty years,
and then it kind of came backagain. There was a resurgence of
sightings in like nineteen ninety five.So it's a seven to eight foot tall
bipedal humanoid with hair oliver its body. The thing that makes it a little
(51:59):
bit different than and maybe all theother you know, big foot sightings is
that it has this very distinctive kindof reddish glow to its eyes that people
have reported. But the story wefocused on was of a family in the
seventies and it came to their houseand it basically killed all their rabbits,
(52:19):
well their bunnies, their bunny Sothey heard something. The mom heard something
down in the barn as she wentdown to investigate, and she saw the
rabbit hutch had been opened, andbasically the rabbits were just kind of like
torn to shreds and it was likea crime scene. And so she ran
back up to the house. Andthe next night they because she had heard
(52:40):
noises out there, like the wheelingsand the howlings, And the next night
they had their dog outside kind oftied up outside, and it started just
freaking out, and so the familyall got guns, like, including the
kids. I don't know how oldthey were, I hope teenagers. But
they just went out side and theyall saw this creature standing in front of
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their dog, ready to attack it, and they just all kind of cut
loose on it with fire, withan arsenal of bullets, and it ran
off, howling into the into thetrees. But it was cited quite a
few times in that area in theseventies, and like I said, then
it just kind of went silent fora while and then I kind of came
back. But they they said thatthe sightings of it dated, you know,
(53:22):
as far back as like the eighteenhundreds, and if I'm going to
guess, it's probably been around longerthan that too. That's just what we
know of. Well, there isthat sort of visitor phenomena. Some things
come they whether they abduct people oryou know, make a presence known and
they discip appear like Moffman, Perhapsit will reappear sometimes soon, just not
(53:45):
near us, that would be nice, please. Yeah, But are those
kids are they still around? Theydo they? Sure? I mean if
that was the seventies, they werea little older than that, right,
But they're still around? Wow?And and what do you have a name
for the book yet It's Monsters ofthe Northeast. Oh right, okay,
(54:08):
yes, yeps the Northeast. Andwhen is it coming out? It will
be yeah, October of this year. It's coming October. That's so exciting.
Yeah. And I think the Ghostone World too at the same time.
So we got to get krack alacinon that one, but we're getting
there. Yeah, and then we'lldefinitely have the heavy back on again for
sure. Yeah. Yeah, Soreally quick, everyone, if you want
(54:30):
to find out more about Jessica Freeburg, go to Jessica Freeburg with a U
dot com and then Natalie Fowler NatalieFowler f O w l e R dot
com. If you guys can leaveus with any any thoughts whatever, what
would it be. I think we'vetalked a lot about, you know,
(54:52):
kind of connecting with spirit energy.We've talked a lot about like spirit guides,
like all of these really cool thingsthat have come up, and I
I would just encourage people to beopen to connecting with that within themselves,
you know, and finding time tojust get quiet with yourself and connect with
your higher self or your guides howeveryou want to visualize that. I really
(55:15):
think that we all have that intuitionin us and that ability to connect with
spirit on a deep and meaningful level. We just don't let ourselves get silent
long enough to do it. We'rejust all so busy all the time.
So that would be my one thingto wed yeap. And I think along
with that, I think it's important, it's really important to remember that life
is happening for us, not tous. I think we really get sucked
(55:37):
into some of the bad, Likeso many people are going through so many
different things right now, and Ithink if we can step back and detach
and kind of see the it'll helpus see the path forward and help us
remember that you know, this isan whatever is happening is an opportunity for
growth and an opportunity for change,and it doesn't have to be something terrible.
(55:59):
All right, awesome, thank youso much. I really appreciate it.
It's so good to hang out withyou again. Yeah, always love
it. Yeah for asking Yeah,great, great questions, Sorr. I
couldn't get to your last question live, but maybe next time. So yeah,
we're going to be on a breakagain for about a month. So
I'm glad. I'm glad we're leavingit with you. Two, and until
(56:22):
next time, everyone, please commentdown below, share your thoughts, subscribe
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