UFOS TO BIGFOOT

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
A gold covered mattress on which he was led.

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Man. He was.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Man.

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He was.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
He when.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Fight was.

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For his country and his king, of his honor and
his glory.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
The people.

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Would sing.

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He was.

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He was.

Speaker 9 (01:42):
Who's friend all the night Dreamer Stuckey who at night?

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Speaker 11 (03:42):
Well, we made it to August and that is really
exciting to have made it there.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Jay Z.

Speaker 11 (03:47):
You know in the news, have you noticed a lot
of things are going on this past week?

Speaker 12 (03:51):
Jay Z?

Speaker 10 (03:53):
A lot.

Speaker 12 (03:55):
Yeah, that's an understatement. There's a lot of distractions and
deflecting going on, anythink too.

Speaker 11 (04:00):
More than I have seen in a long time. We
have everything from the you know this comet that if
you go on TikTok. Everybody's talking like it's a doomsday
device or we're gonna be attacked by aliens with this
craft that's seven or nine miles in diameter and it's
gonna come here. They said first December. Now they're talking

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late September. And here's the thing is, that's why our
last guest of the night, who's gonna really he knows
this stuff. He's gonna be telling us it isn't a UFO,
It isn't a giant craft going to attack Earth. It's
a comet. They actually have seen the tail. But you
know what, you go on to all these podcasts and

(04:42):
you go on TikTok, it's like doomsday. You got your
choice of that or what's going on with Trump? That's
what you if you go on TikTok, that's what and
people singing okay, that's what you get.

Speaker 12 (04:54):
Yeah. And here's the thing. The humans they think all
aliens are gonna try by disguising their craft as a comet.
I mean, come on, that's that's so out of the part.
That's human thinking. Like aliens, they're not going to sneak
up once and try to disguise themselves. They don't need to.

Speaker 11 (05:13):
Well, you know Abby Low, you know the last one.
You know, he said it was a probe, right, and
alien probe. It turned out it wasn't. Okay, then you
know that he found in the ocean, Oh it's wreckage
from a UFO. Well it turned out to be man
made wreckage, right, And now we have this and you
know again, I mean, it is causing people some heartache.

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You got the survivalists out there that are panicking. You know,
you got a lot of people you know what's going on.
I mean, you know, here's the thing. I don't know
if the government would tell us if we've got to
comment to slam into earth. But it takes a lot
of heat off a Trump right now. You know that
because you know that all these things. And on top

(05:59):
of it, Trump today deployed a couple of nuclear missile
submarines near Russia.

Speaker 12 (06:09):
Yeah, and he actually told reporters that, which is highly
unusual to say such things openly about that. Yeah, apparently
the what he called him the former president there, I
guess sence I'm threatening words. So now you know they
do that whole posturing thing. I guess what's going on.

Speaker 11 (06:26):
Well, you know, on top of it, you know, let's
be honest with you know, other president whatever. And never
has leaked that again, I really think you know that.
You know, I'm not sliming Trump hmm, not much. But
if you look at it, you know, it's a diversion
of what's going on. But here's the thing. I wouldn't
want to be one of those people in those subs

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after you have blabbed his mouth.

Speaker 12 (06:52):
Yeah, I was thinking that here's the thing with today's technology,
not just just but other countries, and if they really
want to know where they're at, they can find them.
I mean, come on, and so now you just made
it a little bit easier, I think.

Speaker 11 (07:02):
Oh yeah, Well, tonight we have a great show. We
got Kevin Paul. We're going to be talking about Bigfoot, Mothman,
and dog Man with him, and then after that we
have another great guest talking about UFOs and our last
guest is going to be talking about thirty one at
lis So you know, you know when you say thirty

(07:25):
one at LISS, it reminds me of a car commercial.

Speaker 12 (07:29):
Yeah, yeah, something Yet thirty one what a name? They
always have some peculiar names for those things.

Speaker 11 (07:35):
Yeah, why not this thirty one Doomsday or thumper old dumpers?
How about a big thump?

Speaker 13 (07:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (07:44):
Or tied away or a kind of good stuff.

Speaker 11 (07:46):
Okay, let's mind now some information about our guests. What
do you think?

Speaker 12 (07:50):
Yeah, I'm excited to do it.

Speaker 11 (07:52):
Okay, we're not going to bring up his police record.

Speaker 8 (07:54):
This a descendant of some of the most prominent European
families to settle in what is now known as Green County.
Kevin Paul was immersed at an early age in local
folklore and its application to everyday life in rural southwestern Pennsylvania.

(08:14):
A lifelong experiencer of the unexplained, he's the only researcher
and investigator to focus exclusively on the five hundred seventy
eight square miles that comprise the creepiest corner of the
Keystone State. His farm background and family history are blended
with folklore to create a distinctively different and low tech

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approach to the research and investigation of paranormal activity. His
latest book, Politics and the Paranormal in Green County, Pennsylvania,
joins Amazon bestsellers Haunted Hills and Hollows What Lurks in
Green County, Pennsylvania and Haunted Hills and Hollows Too, Still
Lurking in Green County, Pennsylvania as chronicles of regional anomalies.

(08:58):
He believes the traditional and distinctive spiritual beliefs of Appalachia
are an excellent lens through which to observe and focus
upon the spirit world surrounding us. Like many, he believes
we live on and are part of, an interdimensional earth
that increasingly reveals itself to those who are sensitive to
it or have the opportunity to look. Kevin has discovered

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there is a rich, uncharted spirit world within Green County,
densely populated by cryptids, apparitions, non human intelligences, and unusual entities.
Decades of farming and related agricultural pursuits have not only
helped Kevin Paul appreciate the connection between paranormal events, people,
and the land, but have kept him grounded as well.

(09:44):
When not writing, he values spending time at home collecting
antique lawn and garden equipment and working to preserve farms
by promoting stewardship of natural resources within the agricultural community.

Speaker 11 (09:57):
Well, good evening, Kevin. How are you doing tonight?

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I'm doing fine. Thanks Gary for inviting me back. This
is a Toro honor of privilege.

Speaker 11 (10:06):
How old were you when you started getting interested in cryptics?

Speaker 4 (10:14):
When I first took a real note my first experience,
I was about five years old.

Speaker 13 (10:19):
But I guess it's kind of a toss up.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
It was about nineteen sixty six, the combination of the
mothsmand stories hitting the local newspaper.

Speaker 13 (10:31):
Plus I saw publication.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
My grandparents' house had had an article about the hops
Hopkins built Goblin so that I've just kind of been
interested in the paranormal and unexplained and sci fi ever since.

Speaker 11 (10:44):
That would do it, you know, talking about Mothman and
Bigfoot and dogmen here tonight, moth Man, have you anything
new because it seems like it goes through cycles.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Well, yeah, I'm sure you've heard about the there's a
lot of sightings in Chicago area, I think around twenty
seventeen or so. I know that some of the reports
have been questioned regionally.

Speaker 13 (11:11):
Here.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
There was one about seventy miles from here in New
West Virginia in twenty eighteen at a cemetery. I actually
got this information from Fred Saluga, and there was a
couple of witnesses in the cemetery that some of what
appeared to be Mothman in the tree. There's some people

(11:35):
heard it go over the They called the sheriff, and
some people heard it go over the police radio and
their scanners. I heard one of the deputies saying, you know,
you need to come here and see this thing, and
you know, it's just unbelievable.

Speaker 13 (11:45):
It's looking right at us.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
And then it kind of got hushed up but never
got put in the newspaper. Fred went and talked to
the sheriff and who had denied it, but one of
the deputies told him later off the record that it
was all very true, and we had a sighting here
as well.

Speaker 13 (12:03):
Have a similar entity.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
In the two thousands. The guy was driving down the
road in July. It is a really stormy night, a
lot of lightning, and he's going really slow because of
the rain was coming down pretty hard, and they saw
what he thought.

Speaker 13 (12:23):
Was a blue heron.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
There's a roar area, so it's along the fence and
he was going slown up. He looked over and here
was a kind of a winged dentity in a.

Speaker 13 (12:35):
Gray suit with.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Black eyes, standing on a fence post and had swings
were behind its back and wing tips were almost down
to its feet. I mean, he had no idea what
it was, but that was in two thousand and nine.
But I was doing some research after getting that report,
and there's a very similar sighting way back in nineteen

(13:00):
forty four in Virginia.

Speaker 13 (13:02):
It was a pastor actually.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Saw a very similar entity landed in the church Brave
Herold one night during an equally bad summer storm. So
you know, maybe moss Man likes the dog days of summer.

Speaker 13 (13:15):
Who knows?

Speaker 11 (13:16):
Interesting? Now, you know you've seen the movies. I'm sure
Deeper Creepers a long time ago. Yeah, does moth Man
kind of look like that at all?

Speaker 4 (13:32):
The description I got didn't sound like it. But it's
been so long since I saw the movie, I should
probably see it again.

Speaker 11 (13:41):
How bigger moth man?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
The one the gentleman saw on the fence post was
probably about seven feet tall? I know the reports out
of There were some reports out of Russia and Japan.
Interestingly enough, before Chernobyl and Fukushima that had him pegged
at about seven feet tall and wingspan. In Japan, I

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believe they said it was about fifteen feet, So wow,
pretty pretty big.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
You know.

Speaker 11 (14:16):
Back about three years ago, I had a trucker tell
me his experience up in Eugene, Organ. He stopped into
a truck stop, had his meal and fueled up, and
he parked. He had a brand new Kenworth, so he
parked it away from the other trucks because he didn't
want any scratches on it. And as he got into

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his cab, he noticed some eyes and then when he
turned his lights on, he claimed he saw a mothman
and it was levitating off the ground staring at him,
and he got terrified. And the look, he said, it
was like it wanted to tear him apart type of look.
And he got the you know what out of there

(14:58):
really quick. That any descriptions of anything like that happening
with anybody.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
The other thing I had similar to that was earlier
this year, but it sounded more like a thunderbird report
than a mofman. It was down in Rice's Landing, which
is in the eastern edge of the county, right along
the Monongo Hala River, and Rcius Landing is a hotspot
in its own right, and the witness saw basically what

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looked like.

Speaker 13 (15:30):
A gigantic white bird meant and.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
She also mentioned like a twelve to fifteen foot wingspan.

Speaker 13 (15:38):
I checked the.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Stand Gordon, he said there had been reports of white
thunderbirds in the past. I had never received one. I
one day last year I saw a bird. It was
large enough that might have been a thunderbird, but it
did not. It did not humanoid like movman.

Speaker 11 (15:57):
Interesting, has anybody ever been attacked by one?

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Kevin?

Speaker 13 (16:03):
Not to my knowledge.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
I did your presentation by an eye witness earlier this
year and The experience she described was that the entity actually.

Speaker 13 (16:18):
Seemed rather benevolent.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
It was more interested in making sure that she.

Speaker 13 (16:27):
Was laying on the hood of the car.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
When she saw this was in point pleasant and when
she realized the moss banners on the ground, you know,
on the ground beside the car, she fell off the
foot of the car, and the depression she had was
he wanted to make sure she wasn't.

Speaker 13 (16:40):
Hurt, tied.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
And then there was an there was an incidence in
Germany in Freiburg. I don't recall the year where there
was a similar entity outside of the mine entrance and
wouldn't let the miners go going the shaft to go
down to begin their work, and shortly before the shift
began there was an explosion. So it seemed like mothman,

(17:07):
although they called him the Freiburg scream or, it seemed
like he was more interested in seeing, you know, making
sure no one got injured.

Speaker 11 (17:14):
That's interesting. You know, we had a reglar guest on
our show who owned a museum, you know, a fossil museum,
Joe Taylor out of Texas, and he had a friend
that had to go to work at three four o'clock
in the morning and it's a small, you know, community,
but it's very sparse with population, so you could go

(17:36):
miles on the road and not see anything. And she
saw a guy that's what she thought, was standing in
the middle of road and he wouldn't move, so she
stopped her car and she said, hey, are you okay?
And then she noticed that guy raised his arms which
weren't arms, they were a wingspan, and she claimed it

(17:58):
was a mothman, but that wasn't the killer part. About
two weeks later, same road, about the same time, she
ran into one, hit it and she came to the stop.
It did some damage to the front of her car.
Jo Taylor sent me a picture by the way, and
I forgot all about it of the fender, but it

(18:21):
did some damage to the car. But when she hit it,
it just stood there and then kind of like spread
its wings and flew off, and she said it was
really ugly. Ugly, ugly.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, that's amazing. I've read works for some people say
they don't have any facial expression for facial features, and
some people say they appear to look like almost have
reptilian features, and sometimes with feathers and sometimes not. We
do on occasion. I mean, it's happened to me. I've

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had people share messages that they got on their voicemail
on their cell phone.

Speaker 13 (19:04):
It sounded like.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Remember the movie The Mothman prophesies when invirid cold would
fallow Richard Gears character and that bizarre screeching sound, And
that's exactly what it sounded like. And or like a
if familiar with a pump jack on an oil well,
very rhythmic and it needs lubricated and just making these
god awful screeching sounds hot.

Speaker 13 (19:27):
That hasn't happened for a while, but it has happened.

Speaker 11 (19:30):
Very interesting too. I mean, again, what do they feed on?
Is there any speculation what do they eat?

Speaker 13 (19:39):
Not that I know.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
I I kind of lumped them in with creatures out
of the spirit world, and they don't take the same
type of food that we do. I that's the only
possible answer I have for that question at this time.

Speaker 11 (20:00):
How about has there been any like chickens, cattle, dogs
gone missing?

Speaker 13 (20:05):
When there's been reports there's been dogs.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
There were some dogs in Western PA in Beaver County
at the same time as Mothman was seen.

Speaker 13 (20:19):
In Point Pleasant.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Unfortunately, the newspaper that I saw me in is not
on any of the Internet services like newspapers, dot com,
and you have to go look through the archives.

Speaker 13 (20:31):
But I did see a.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Couple of articles, no more than two paragraphs, were the
guy went out because his dog was barking, and supposedly
a wing scene came up out of the grass in
the middle of this meadow. And if I recall the
story correctly, there were some dogs were killed in the

(20:54):
Point Pleasantry, or at least one when the Mothman signings.

Speaker 13 (20:58):
Were going on. But I haven't heard of it they locally.

Speaker 11 (21:04):
Ah, that is really, you know, just wondering, you know,
because again there's been reports of being found in a barn.
I read about that one and it flew out. I
mean again, so many things in the cryptic world that
a lot of people say can't exist, but they do exist,

(21:25):
because you know, I remember my encounter with my friend
who was a medical doctor in the Canadian Rockies. We
thought we saw a giant bearon it turned out to
be a bigfoot, and you know, I come under fire.
I wish I never mentioned that about three years ago
on the show because they got you know, you got
these different people out there. Oh, they're lovable, they would

(21:45):
never give hurt you. They give off orbs, they can
telecommute with you. But what I saw was flesh and
blood because it chased us. And if we wouldn't have
got back to the car, honestly when we did, I
don't think i'd be to talking to you right now.
But also it was very aggressive because my wife lend
me her new car she had before we could make

(22:07):
that trip to can and up the rockies, and it
took out the fender and you know, part of the
passenger door. So I mean it was really aggressive.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah, you hear those stories. There are reports, the anecdotal
reports here of I interviewed a lady one day who
you wanted to remain anonymous.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
She was.

Speaker 13 (22:35):
Probably like our age right now.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
She was past retirement age, lived on a farm all
her life, and went out one.

Speaker 13 (22:42):
Night because the.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Something was agitating her cattle, and you know, stepped outside
with a fire slight and a shotgun and there's two
red eyes about she said, seven or eight feet in
the air and off the ground.

Speaker 13 (22:59):
She didn't you'd at it.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
It didn't seem to be other than cattle were a
little fired up. It didn't seem to be injuring any
of them. But I talked to a guy that raised
a lot of poultry, and this was in Green County,
and it was a site where they've seen orbs and
UFOs and a lot of.

Speaker 13 (23:18):
That sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
And something would come in at night and admit.

Speaker 13 (23:27):
These just god awful sounds and smell bad.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
And they they sort of tap danced around it and
acknowledged they thought maybe it might have been a sasquatch.
But nobody, nobody went out to look. Much is understandable.
You know, you're you're thirty minutes away from the police
of the sheriff getting there, and you know, and a
bite off more and you can chew.

Speaker 11 (23:52):
Yeah, But look how many people have vanished in the woods,
you know, and they found like in one case, I
was reading a story of it. It's supposed to have
been true that when the sheriff with this group of
people looking for this lost hunter, they found parts of
the hunter, you know, like his shoes and part of
his clothing, and his gun barrel was wrapped around a tree.

(24:17):
And I don't know how many people could take a
gun and bend the barrel like that.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
No, No, I And it's interesting that that's kind of
Bigfoot report, how much they parallel some of the old
Gin stories of the for the you know, the I
hate to use the word fairy, the failure, but she
is Irish, old Irish column. Makes you wonder if it's

(24:44):
the same, if it's the same entity, because they, you know,
aliens and Bigfoot and these other entities, some of them
like people, some of them don't like people, and some
of them care lesson That.

Speaker 13 (25:01):
Sort of seems to be where Bigfoot is. I I thought.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I saw something once on a gas line right away
that I couldn't tell if it was a black bear
or a bigfoot.

Speaker 13 (25:15):
But one other time.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
At the Green County Historical Society Museum, which is about
five miles from where I lived, there was something I
saw walking along the creek, except I couldn't see all
of it. I could see basically just a torso and
its shoulder in its arms at about half of its legs,
and it would have been seven or eight feet tall

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and had like rusty reddish brown for and it was
pretty muscular, and I just I have assumed that that's
what that was. I couldn't see any feet, it didn't
leave any footprints. I was pretty firmly in the Flesh
and Blood camp till I saw that, and that's when.

Speaker 13 (25:59):
I've started one. Or maybe they're or row.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
They might be flesh and blood where they're here when
they're here, but maybe when they jump back and forth
or something. It's it's hard to tell. I sort of
have them in with things from the other world, as
the Irish call it.

Speaker 11 (26:15):
Yeah, but you know, we're so close, according to Mityo Kaku,
of breaking the next dimension, we're like a year or
two away from it, and that means like parallel universes
could exist. We could go in and out of the
other dimension, which we wouldn't see them in their dimension
and they wouldn't see us, but if they come from

(26:35):
their dimension into our dimension, then we would see them.
But I really do believe they're flesh and blood because
I can tell you what. I have never smelled something
so bad in my life, other than my wife's cooking that,
you know, the smell of you take urine and the
other poo poo, and you take ammonia and you take

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the hottest pepper in the world and combine it. That's
what I smelled, and it burnt my nose. It burnt.
My throat and my lungs. It hurt, and that's what
I smelled when it got close to us.

Speaker 13 (27:11):
Yeah, you talk. You talk to people that.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Say they see them when they're out. You know, guys
that have been hunting all their life to see them.

Speaker 13 (27:21):
And they think.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Sometimes they quit hunting for two or three years, or
they just never go back. There's there's a kind of
a famous story around here. I used to work in
Fayette County, which is on the other side of the
Man for our east and for a conservation agency, and
we would get the phone calls. There was a a

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little zoo in a town called chalk Hill, and we
would get a phone call and say, you need to
tell I don't remember the gentleman's name that owned the place,
that one of these monkeys is out. And short enough
it would be within the matter of a day or
two i'd hear from Stan Gordon or other researchers that
they were getting big reports.

Speaker 13 (28:04):
And there was the.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Story of that kind of famous around here. There's two
ladies came in the office one day at lunchtime and
they'd been very picking and they came across what they
said was like a family like the two adults and
a child or you know, young sasquatch and my co
organs were kind of chucking at them. And so here's

(28:29):
these two little old ladies that said now, and they
go very.

Speaker 13 (28:32):
Picky, and they took a three fifty seven with them.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
So my thing was, you know, they're farm people, and
it costs a lot of money to fire a weapon,
and you know, they're not toys. So if they're you know,
if they're taking their cannon with them when they're very picking,
they saw something. I believe they saw something. I had
no reason to doubt them. They certainly seemed sincere when
they told the story.

Speaker 13 (28:55):
Yeah, it's hard to tell.

Speaker 11 (28:58):
I would like something bigger than a three eighty seven
if I ever have another encounter. Kevin, we need to
take a break. We'll be back in four minutes, so
stay tuned, everybody, we'll be right back.

Speaker 14 (29:28):
Chocolate ice cream, only your tired face. Light on the
hemming and staring and into space. Hum a melody. Then
it's gone without a tree.

Speaker 10 (29:49):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.

Speaker 14 (30:02):
Feel the riches the valley, the riches of your bones. Well,
I paint my name on your skinny capital and you
cheat on your homework over the phone.

Speaker 11 (30:23):
Oh oh, sweet Air said.

Speaker 14 (30:32):
I didn't cry when I heard the news of your suicide.
I just saw you who were sitting there, sweet Air said,
took the blow and it can't smile. Men on the back,

(30:53):
playing paper football in the back, play.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
Time slips. A haunted office building on a haunted street,
a haunted coal town. Mysterious black cats, unexplained light anomalies, UFOs,
UAPs in the air and on the ground, bridges in

(31:23):
liminal spaces, cryptids, shamans.

Speaker 13 (31:27):
And were.

Speaker 8 (31:29):
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Speaker 11 (32:22):
And we're back with Kevin Paul. You know again, you
know it's scary when you think about how many go
missing in the forest each year. It's a lot of people.
I just wanted it can't be just all bears and
cougars and mountain lions. And again, with some of the
stuff they have found. Lord, the clothes have been tore up,

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gun barrels, you know, bent, all kinds of strange things.
But my question is if they are inter dimensional, then two,
you know, put it this way, if they die, how
can we never found a body of either a moth
man or a bigfoot or a dog man.

Speaker 13 (33:07):
Well, you know, the.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Some researchers would say it's because they're so good at,
you know, hiding their remains or whatever their method of.

Speaker 13 (33:19):
Disposal is. It's going back and forth, you know, from.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
This world to the spirit world, which is you know again,
you know, I'm.

Speaker 13 (33:31):
I take the folklore for approach.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
I think that's probably what happens to some of some
of these people that disappear. Yeah, you know, I understand,
like Mitchew Kokuho's interest in opening up another dimension. But
you know, they they don't play by our rules, and

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you know they don't they don't think like we do.
And how do we know just a hostile like that
when you and your friend account or how do we
know our weapons are going to be effective? And then
you know, you talk to you talk to people, you
hear These interviews on podcasts were areas where they've had
problems with sasquatches and guys will have you know, have

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them in the crosshairs and they can't pull the trigger
because they say they look too human.

Speaker 13 (34:23):
So he knows.

Speaker 11 (34:25):
Well, you know, Art Bell was a friend of mine,
and you know he had a guy on twice. They
claimed that him and his two Vietnam buddies were out
poaching at night in a rout about way and they
ran into a bigfoot and they killed it and then
they buried the body. But before they buried the body,

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they traced the big foot down where you know where
it ran into the bushes, and they also then as
they were trying to recover the body, there was a
female bigfoot, so they kill it too, and then they
buried it. But Art was you know, the guys gave
you know, directions for Art if Art ever wanted to

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go see where was that? But again too, you know
how many of them may have been killed out there,
you wouldn't know.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
I can't speak about people's mindset on the West coast,
but here in Appalachia, I know some.

Speaker 13 (35:28):
Guys if they saw one would would try to.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Kill it and bring it down to show it off.

Speaker 13 (35:34):
So I I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I you know, Stan Gordon has stories where they they
shot at him at a thirty odd six and.

Speaker 13 (35:42):
It had no effect. I don't know. They're so far
they seem to be, in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Seemed to be so far outside of what we consider
normal or what's normal for our physical existence, that there's
just too many, too many unanswered questions.

Speaker 11 (36:05):
But I find the people don't. I've interviewed through the
years so many people. Kevin on Bigfoot and a lot.
There's two two groups of campers in the campground about it.
You got one it realizes maybe it is flesh and blood.
You got the other ones that's mystical or you know,
in our dimensional or what have you. But the thing is,

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something is out there. I know what I saw, I
know what it did, and it you know it, whatever
it is, if it's in our dimension. When it is,
it acts like a wild animal. I didn't see any
sign of like, hey, I want to be your friend.
I didn't get any orbs going into my little brain,
which is the size of a peanut. I didn't even

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get any telecommunications from it. What I got was, you know,
there's two times in my life I peed my pants.
One was in kidding guard and in the second when
I had that Bigfoot across that creek and chase this,
I mean, I you know, I freaked out. I was scared,

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like you wouldn't believe. I didn't believe in Bigfoot. I
grew up in Washington State. I watched all the movies
on Bigfoot and laugh because to me, ah, they never existed.
But after you see one and you had an encounter,
it makes you realize there's more in a life than
we even could comprehend.

Speaker 13 (37:33):
Yeah, there's way more. And I've got a friend.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I should have checked with her before we went on
the air to see if I could use her name.
It was in Central Pennsylvania that in fact, he grew
up with JC. After the show, she's actually done a
Bigfoot coloring book and she has him on her property,
and I, you know, the thing around here is there's

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a lot of people have game in cameras out and
you get you see a lot of pictures that it's
supposed to be sasquatch and a lot of them look
like the furry back side of a bear to me
because I can't make any details out. And I you know,
most personally and professionally have spent a fair amount of
time in the woods, and I know there's anomalies that

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occur out in the woods that are unexplained. But a
lot of the things that pop up on some of
these podcasts and stuff that are supposed to be structures,
you know, the proliferation of podcasts is kind of a
two inch sword. It helped gets the word out, but
then some of the words that gets out isn't entirely accurate.

Speaker 13 (38:39):
So I yea.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Guys like you, you know that have the tell credible
stories and they don't change, you know, no matter how
many times you tell them are important because people definitely
are seeing something and I and it's it's things are
so compartmentalized. You're either flesh and blood or your woo.

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And I used to be flesh and blood because my
first experience was one was the opposite of yours, only
so thought of it part of it, So I went
to the wu side. But I'm willing to you know,
all this to somebody off. I was at a conference
once and somebody had made something that supposedly was very

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close replica of the odor they gave off, and it
was horrific. Maybe one day we'll know.

Speaker 13 (39:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
It'd be nice, well, would be a two words sort
if it turns out it wasn't undo in prime, because
then people start hunting it.

Speaker 13 (39:39):
But we may never know.

Speaker 11 (39:43):
Well I think, you know, one of these days somebody
is going to kill one and at that point then
we're going to have proof that.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
They do exist.

Speaker 11 (39:52):
But I'll tell you what, there's so many hoaxters. You know,
in Washington, there was a guy on his deathbed admitted
that all these footprints and are parts of Washington. He
was actually making them with his car foot you know,
making the footprints. And here's the thing is that if
you listen to these podcasts or you go on TikTok,

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some of the stories, you know, it's all clickbait. They
want people to watch their podcasts or listen to it
or you know, watch them on TikTok. So you know,
they the stories are so outlands that you know it's
not realistic. But here's the point. A lot of people

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think that bigfoot are it's intelligent as me and you,
Well maybe it was in my case, it could possibly be.
But if you look at it, they weren't brought up
like we were. They weren't brought up, you know, from
kindergarten to you know, being where you learn, you know,
how to respect people and manners and and how a

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family comes together. How could they how could people tie
them in with that like, oh, they're telecommitting, they would
never hurt us. I just don't buy that they're not
a human being. That's like saying that a mountain lion
or a bear or some other you know, an elephant

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the human.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Well, that's a good point, you know, it brings to
mind some of these guys that grows the notoriety, you know,
working with bears and other wild animals, and it only
takes you know, a middlesecond and they revert to their
instinct and the guys laying on the ground bleeding. My
answer to that would be assuming they're from the other

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world is the Irish call it, and their point of
reference would be completely different.

Speaker 13 (41:53):
That's the way that ginn are.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
In Islam.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Some of them like people, some of them don't like people,
and some of them could care less. And I maybe
it's a stretch to assume this. I would I'm just
assuming the sasquatch would be the same way.

Speaker 13 (42:14):
I would.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
If I were to lay money on it. I would
probably go with with your rendition. I'd be a lot
more concerned about them being aggressive and being benevolent, although
you do you do hear stories of them leaving gifts
for people and that sort of thing. So like that
friend of mine in Central PA. So it's hard to say.

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Maybe maybe it's just hard to say.

Speaker 11 (42:43):
You know again too, or where you were at. We're
up in the Canadian Rockies where there was during World
War Two at Japanese and tournament camp there. So it
was built out a middle of nowhere, So if any
prisoners got away, where are they going to go? So
I mean, from the standpoint, maybe they're completely different than
the people like in you know where you're at, or

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in Washington State or whatever where there's more population backpackers,
campers and stuff like that. What I get really a
kick out is when I get somebody on the show
and they say, well, I was at a campground and
I was going to the river which was right next
to the campground, and right off on the path there
was a lean to built by a bigfoot. Now, why

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would a bigfoot be twenty five thirty feet away from
a path that everybody's walking back and forth during the day.
That doesn't make logical sense. And here's another thing. AI
is getting so fantastic that now it's going to be
almost impossible to really say was that a bigfoot or not?

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Was that a dogmen or not? Or is that a
UFO or not? Because they it's generating stuff now that
is really hard to distinguish from what could be real
or not.

Speaker 13 (44:06):
Very much.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
So yeah, I I questioned.

Speaker 13 (44:09):
Some of those structures as well.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
And you know, you go you go to you go
to conferences and people will bring in saplings that are
twisted off and saying human couldn't do that.

Speaker 13 (44:18):
Well, you know, a human might not do it.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
In thirty seconds, but if you've got the time on
your hands, you can twist the sapling off. And a
lot of people, you know, see their boots in the ground,
but they they don't seem to really realize what the
weather can do twisting trees off and that sort of thing.

Speaker 13 (44:41):
I heard of.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
I talked of a guy that went on one of
those night hikes last year, ate fifty bucks, and sure enough,
on the way out, sasquatch threw a rock at him.
And I maybe I'm like old in cynical, but I
that's just like almost too good to be true. I'm

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not saying it didn't happen. I'm obviously there's something through
a rock. I just would need proof that it was Sasquatch.
I know people I've i haven't talked to her for
a while, but I've got a friend that actually literally
ran into one when she was a kid, you know,
playing and running and hit a tree and when she

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you know, threw her back, she bounced off what she
thought was a tree, and when she's laying on her back,
she looked up and it was Sasquatch. She didn't tell
the story very often because people made fun of her,
but I, you know, I have no reason to to
not believe her. That's there's at least there's two reports
like that in the county. One happened in nineteen sixty

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nine in Greensboro, but kids broke into a park and
were swimming after ours and the park manager you know,
got after him, and this kid took off down the
path in the woods and ran smack dab right into Sasquatch.

Speaker 13 (46:07):
I didn't I didn't talk to him. His brother told
me the story. I believe he was deceased.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
People are seeing and encountering something. I've got some friends
that keep a lot of goats and livestock, and more
than once they've left them. You know, when you when
you pick apples the ones that aren't the best for
canning or freezing, you sit in the bucket and you given.

Speaker 13 (46:32):
To your livestock to eat.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
They go out, there'd be footprints on the ground and
the apples that were gone, and they'd hear something scream
at night, and you know, none of them.

Speaker 13 (46:43):
Have seen it, but that's certainly what it sounds like.

Speaker 11 (46:47):
I can remember the scream that it was so haunting. Yeah,
it's you know, it didn't try to speak any words,
but it really screamed well out and ear pursing. So
I mean, whatever they are, I do believe they existed
because I haven't smoked anything since nineteen sixty nine, so

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I know that I wasn't high at the time, and
I don't drink alcohol, so you know that all I
can say that whatever I saw, it was so hard
to explain to my wife till this day and my
butthole producer. Ever so often I'll bring it up on
the show and then my wife listens to the show
on the way to work, the rerun of it, and

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he'll said, well, what did you tell your insurance company?
What did you you know? How do you how do
you go home and tell your wife, Oh, by the way,
your new car only has about six thousand miles on it.
The front fender is destroyed and the door needs a replace.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
Well, what did you do?

Speaker 11 (47:50):
Nothing? A bigfoot through something and it took Okay, you
don't even call up at your insurance company, you know,
Progressive and say, hey, a big did this damage to
the car, because you know when I called them up,
they wanted to know. I had to lie. I mean,
would you tell your insurance company a big wood took
out part of your car?

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Probably not, you know, I'm I'm kind of blessed. My
wife's been an r ND for years, and she worked
behavioral health for a number of years. And when Rosberry
and Guiley and I were investigating an extremely hauted location
that's in the first book, in the chapter titled Angry
Spirits of the Land, I would come home and tell

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my wife what we were seeing, and she would say,
you know, I could get you seventy two hours of
involuntary observation for telling that story. So and you know
she's never not believe me. And I know Stan Gordon
has a report.

Speaker 13 (48:51):
I'm pretty sure it's where.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
I saw it, the same thing Fastquatch scratched the trunk
of the car. Yeah, what would you tell your insurance company?
Did I say, well, I hit a deer or you know,
hit and running a parking lot.

Speaker 11 (49:08):
Well, I remember the body shop when we took it
in there, they go, wow, there was no signs of
a car hitting it. What happened?

Speaker 13 (49:16):
You know?

Speaker 6 (49:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (49:17):
Well I told I made a mistake and told the
guy on the body shop, and I'll tell you what,
he had the biggest laugh in the world.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
I can I don't remember.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
That, you know, don't.

Speaker 13 (49:28):
I think it's funny till they see it.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
They all think this stuff's a joke, and then they
then they see it, and then you know, what do
I do? Now?

Speaker 13 (49:36):
Well, well I see it. You can't unsee it?

Speaker 11 (49:39):
Well, can I? If one if you would have had
it happen to you, or one chased you for about
two miles, what would you do? I mean, if if
you were trying to get back to your car and
the thing was like taking half after you, what would
you do.

Speaker 13 (50:00):
Pants.

Speaker 11 (50:00):
Yeah, there's a good answer.

Speaker 13 (50:02):
Yeah, well, you know, and who would you tell? You know,
you you go back to you.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Know, you can't tell your buddy's works. I mean, you know,
you can tell your wife. But other than that, you know,
you can tell the dog. But you know, go to
church and tell the pastor you know, tell your doctor.

Speaker 11 (50:18):
Well you guess what it was my doctor ill. Yeah.
His father was a superior court judge in Pierce County, Washington.
His brother was a high criminal, uh you know, attorney,
and they were giving him money because he just got
done finishing his internship and he was opening his practice

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in Pelp, Washington. And it ruined our friendship because he
was scared I was going to blab my mouth and
it could you know, damage because could you imagine if
you go into a medical doctor and and he's claiming
he saw a bigfoot, you know, that's the first thing
in his mind. And it ruined our friendship. We literally

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parted ways when we got back because he said, don't
tell anybody, and I didn't. But you know, it was
it traumatized both of us, It really did.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
I could see, Yeah, I can that's certainly understandable, especially
you know, given their position in the community. You know,
this is a small town America, and I've got reports
from people that were prominent, and it's like, well, i'll
tell you this, but you can't repeat it. One story

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I got from the son of a guy who was
a fairly prominent businessman, and he said, I'll tell you
the story. And he was smiled him when he said it,
but he said, if you ever repeat this, I'll feat
your brains out. So you know, I haven't repeated the story,
but it was as long as I've been doing this

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writing books. You know, the first two books I have
a lot of personal experiences in it that I disguised
my name because our youngest daughter was in high school,
so in high school and we and we didn't want
her taking a bunch of crap from people. But the
you know, the art Huck character in the first book
is me. The guy at the farm and the anger
spirits to land is me. The guy named fred encountered

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the UFO.

Speaker 13 (52:23):
That's me.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
So I understand what you're saying. You just have to
be careful who you know. It's easy on this because
I just see you. I don't see all your thousands
of listeners. But you know, if you're in a room
where you know people, it's it's a lot different.

Speaker 11 (52:40):
It is. And I tell you when you I made
a mistake a couple of times and told people and
they really you know, I remember back years ago, you know,
when I first got in radio and I started talking
about UFOs and you know, all kinds of stuff. People
look at me like, what hospital do you come from?

Speaker 13 (53:00):
So it's really hard, it is, you know what he's
been smoking.

Speaker 11 (53:05):
I haven't done that since nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
I haven't done it since shortly after I met a
woman who became my wife.

Speaker 11 (53:12):
That's a good reason. Yeah, So do you are you
working on any new books or anything.

Speaker 13 (53:19):
I'm working on a fourth one.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
The working title is sponson Hoaxes in Green County, Pennsylvania.
I got a couple really good hoaxes. One's definitely paranormal related.
Got some very interesting anecdotal stories that probably your hoaxes,

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but they sure.

Speaker 13 (53:42):
Make good stories.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Other than that I'm working on, I've never had a
web page. I had one once and there's too much
work because I'm just not a techie. I am going
to start a YouTube channel. Hopefully i'll have everything up
and going by the end of September, so it should
be good to go on the first of October, just

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in time for Halloween.

Speaker 11 (54:12):
Well, let you know, let us know, and we'll put
a link on our website. Speaking about website, you you know,
you've been a very good supporter of the show for
a long time, and we put your book up there
one of them. How's it been doing on for you.

Speaker 13 (54:27):
Garry? Shortly after.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
It went it was Politics and the Paranormals on the
website and I was having a conversation with JC by
text and I hadn't checked the rankings for quite some time.
All three books jumped considerably in the rankings, as much

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as like fifteen hundred places. The first book was in
I posted a thing on social media when it got
to ninety six. It actually got as high as eighty four.
And that book's been out since nineteen Since twenty eighteen,
it was in the top three hundred and three categories

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for a long time. It's still in the top four
hundred is as an audiobook, and I could be more pleased.
I appreciate the the opportunity to advertise, and it's made

(55:39):
a huge difference in book sales for all three.

Speaker 11 (55:43):
Oh yeah, by again, I want to thank you, you know,
for supporting the show. That means a lot. I mean
a lot of people don't realize when you do a
show like I do, we feed out to all the apps.
In this we were on a lot of radio stations,
but because of my health, I kind of backed away
from that. But that's going to change again in September.
I'm going to be back on a lot of community

(56:05):
radio stations, believe or not so across the country, so
that's going to be interesting. But yeah, your books are
well worth the read.

Speaker 13 (56:16):
Thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
I that's one of the few things I wish I'd
started when I was younger.

Speaker 15 (56:22):
But you know, just.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I should have listened to a couple of my college
professors and paint and been more interested in writing.

Speaker 13 (56:32):
But everything happens for a reason. You know.

Speaker 11 (56:37):
I'm thinking one of these summers we ought to take
jac I'll come up. You can get a big net
and we'll tie him to a tree. I'll get a
whole bunch of like strawberry preserves and peanut butter, and
I'll paint it with a paintbrush all over his body.
Right and when the Bigfoot or dogmen comes, you just
drop the net down.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Well, I'm in, but we need to have some popcorns
so we can have a snack while we watch the ruckus.

Speaker 11 (57:06):
Oh can I bring my root beer then too?

Speaker 13 (57:08):
Absolutely?

Speaker 12 (57:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (57:10):
The question is absolutely what happens if we can't, you know,
get the net on the Bigfoot?

Speaker 13 (57:21):
We'll have to be able to run.

Speaker 11 (57:23):
Yeah, but what is he? What's he going to do
tied to that tree?

Speaker 12 (57:27):
I hope I don't get in tied.

Speaker 13 (57:29):
Well, you know, they might.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
They might take one look at him and go back
in the woods. We just don't know.

Speaker 11 (57:34):
Well, run in the woods. I would think. Well, hey, Kevin,
I want to thank you so much, my friend for
coming on tonight.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Well, thanks, Gary, I appreciate it. It's always a pleasure.
I I'm this is I like talking to you. I
love talking to JC. It's just like a nice relaxed conversation.

Speaker 13 (58:06):
Anytime.

Speaker 11 (58:07):
Okay, my friend, you take care, Okay.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Yeah, one more thing, Gary, kind of, just one more thing.
The books are all available on Amazon. Next weekend. I'm
going to be with JC at Dretchenfest in East Liverpool, Ohio.
I've never been at that event. He and irbo speaking
and vending. So it's hop to see some of your
listeners there.

Speaker 11 (58:30):
Great everybody check that out. If you're in the area,
go to it. Okay, Kevin, you have a great weekend.

Speaker 13 (58:37):
Thanks you too, Gary, Okay.

Speaker 11 (58:39):
My friend, you take care. Okay, Well, we're going to
be right back with our next guest talking about UFOs.
So stay tuned, don't go any place and check out
our website at night Dreams talk radio dot com. We'll
be right back.

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According to confidential conversations with high level contacts close to
defense contractors, many of the UFOs you've seen lately. Yes,
those tic tac shaped physics defying air might not be
ets at all. They might be stamped made in the USA,
and the company behind it Lockheed Marten skunk Works, the

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black budget Shadow ops division of Lockheed. The same people
who gave us the U two spyplane, the SR seventy
one Blackbird, and the stealth tech that made the world's
radar systems weep. Sources indicate skunk Works has been toiling
for decades on gravity defying platforms, possibly reverse engineered, possibly
homegrown from radical propulsion breakthroughs. These crafts are built for speed, stealth,

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and confusion. You weren't supposed to know, at least not yet.
Wait it gets heavier. These same insiders suggest an international
disinformation campaign is brewing right out of Washington, DC. The
idea flood the public with blurry cockpit videos, talking heads

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with maybe and could be, and intelligence briefings that conveniently
redact the entire story. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, skunk Works
is flying tomorrow's technology today. Why the secrecy, Because when
you control the air, you control the world. It's that simple.

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And don't just take this reporter's word for it. Paranormal
researcher and disclosure advocate Ruslan Barstow warns that now is
the time, right now, to keep your eyes on the
skies before the misinformation train barrels through and buries the
truth beneath red tape and cgi, quoting Barstow, we are

(01:06:44):
at a crossroads. Either we uncover the truth ourselves or
it gets rewritten for us. Look up, take photos, compare sightings,
talk to witnesses. Don't wait for the truth to be
spoon fed from a podium in DC.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
Close.

Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
Quote, ladies and gentlemen, this isn't just about alien visitors anymore.
This is about power, secrecy and possibly the most advanced
aerospace engineering ever unleashed on this planet. So before the
next press conference dazzles you with more grainy video and
pentagon poker faces, remember the truth may be right here

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at home, built by our own hands. Flying in plane sight.
I'm guide Ticker reporting for the Night Dreams Talk or
Radio Network where the dreamers don't sleep and the sky
is never the limit. This has been a Night Dreams

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Talk Radio news break, and we now return you to
your regularly scheduled program. Certified Court interpreter and Chinese translator
Samuel On visited Michelle Demarquay, the author of Tayuba Prophecy,
in twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen, and he was instrumental

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in arranging for the Chinese publication of Demarque's book, which
has been a bestseller in both China and Taiwan, a
rare phenomenon. He also translated the book three hundred and
thirty four Percent Lies the Revelation of HMV. Stool and
Autobiography of the High Master of the Chair of a

(01:08:30):
secret society that was started in Germany. Today, he dedicates
his efforts to promoting the messages in these books in
order to give people hope and to help promote a
better world through his scholarship. You can find out more
about that at www dot chinasona dot org forward slash Scholarship.

(01:08:52):
Samuel Chang graduated from UC Berkeley with a BA in economics,
Universidad Carlos Todays de mot Read with an MA in
financial analysis, and he currently resides in Los Angeles, California. Incidentally,
the book Teyuba Prophecy also unveils other secrets of our
life on Earth.

Speaker 11 (01:09:13):
Well, welcome to the show. How are you doing tonight, Samiel?

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Good, very good, Thanks for having me here.

Speaker 11 (01:09:19):
Oh yeah, well, I'm intrigued with anything to do with
the youthology.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
What got you?

Speaker 11 (01:09:26):
Samuel originally interested in, you know, the unexplained flying saucers,
flying discs ets, aliens, and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I was born in China, and when was here elementary school,
there were a lot of news reports about eteth and
UFOs by the Chinese media. At that time, the Chinese
media was fairly open, and I was really intrigued about
the existence of echief. And also I was thinking they
could come and visit us. They must have a best

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technologies and knowledge, and we can just learn from them
to possibly cut the corners and advance at much faster pace.
So I was very focused in learning what the et
contactives have to say about this.

Speaker 11 (01:10:13):
Interesting Now, how about Roswell? Are you familiar with Roswell?

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
Yes? And pretty different way as there's that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:20):
Do you feel that really happened?

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Of course it really happened, But I have a different take.
I was thinking, if the ets had their UFOs or
spacecraft crashed in the US territory, then it must be
that their technology is not that so far advanced. Because
the Etis were advanced technologies wouldn't have their spacecraft crashed

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on Earth. So we should learn from the best from
the Etis that their spacecraft happened or will not crash
on Earth. And I think this book field prophecy is
It's very interesting because the ets descript there their spacecrafts
will never crash on Earth because there are so far

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advanced from us and also other ets in the universe.

Speaker 11 (01:11:12):
Well, do you think we took them out and shot
them down?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I think yes. I think we probably had discovered some
kind of the technology to interfere with their navigation system
and so causing their crash.

Speaker 11 (01:11:29):
Well, you know, back at that time, you know, radar
was fairly new, you know, it was developed in the
middle of World War two, and all around that area
of Roswell, all around there, there was a whole bunch
of you know, radar sending you know, uh stations and
they used really low frequency to send out a signal,

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and a lot of speculation, you know, especially people into
the electronics side, feel that maybe between the storm and
them sending out their signals with the radar, it could
have caused problems with their navigation system.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yes, I agree, and I believe that a grief had
their UFOs or spacecraft malfunctioned by because of our technology
here to read our technologies, I think the gres are
not that so advanced from us, and I really do
think that we should look our eyes into other ets

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that are far more advanced than the grief whose usos
or spacecraft crashed on Earth.

Speaker 11 (01:12:38):
What do you think about what's going on with Abby
Lowe right now? He came out of course at the
end he kind of put a disclaimer to it. But
you know, there isn't a comic coming towards the Earth,
and it's thirty one Atlas and kind of sounds like
a card of thirty one Lincoln. Anyway, it you know,

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is traveling at unique highest speed, higher than anything we've
ever recorded. And you know, he said that he has
a feeling it could be alien life maybe to do
harm on Earth, to attack Earth. What's your feeling on this?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
I disagree because if the eats come on a commet
to travel to Earth, that indicates that their technology is
not that far advanced, because they should have used wormholes
or things like transubstantiation or transport like teleportation to transfer

(01:13:44):
or to temport themselves to another location deep faith in
order to travel to Earth. That would be a much
more advanced technology compared to just traveling through like a
Elus thirty four.

Speaker 11 (01:13:58):
Well, yeah, you know that that part, you know, And
again if you go on all like TikTok and all
these podcasts out there. They're really hyping it up for clickbait,
that's what I call it. They want people to watch them,
so they're spreading misinformation. Let's let's really think about it that.
You know, it is a comment because other stargazers, We're

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gonna have one on after you. He's very well known,
one of the most watched and listened to in the
in the in the world is going to be on.
And here's the thing, it is a comment.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
They have seen the tale.

Speaker 11 (01:14:31):
But but you know, people kind of drop that off.
And here's the thing is, if you get somebody spreading misinformation,
you know, this isn't the first time that Avi Lowe
has said this is first it was another one a
couple of years ago. Then it was the one in
the ocean that the wreckage of a Ufo it turned
out to be man made, and now this. But you know,

(01:14:52):
it's just strange. I don't understand why people are spreading
this type of garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I think the most important things for the people to
wake up. They should realize that if there's some evil
intentions echis coming to invaders, they would have done that
long time ago. They shouldn't or they wouldn't wait until
now to do that, because we are actually no better
than in the past. They actually would have done that,

(01:15:23):
maybe like thousands of years ago when it was much
easier to do so I think this is like a
war there mentality and to get more money for the
military descent from the I really think that they're they're
looking for money to spend down.

Speaker 11 (01:15:40):
Yeah, but again too alien species could have just discovered
us like two minutes ago, and we don't know. Just
look at humans. I've said this dozens of times on
the show. From Cain and Abel, what did they do?
One of the brothers laid the other brother and the
killing has gone on since the beginning of mankind. It

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hasn't stopped. And a lot of people say that, you know,
aliens are going to be lovable and or you know,
give off orbs, they would never do anything bad. But
we don't know that because again, there's billions and billions
of planets out there, according to the head of Naza,
that could support life. So we don't know how you know,

(01:16:22):
they didn't watch Dobe Gillis or bother knows best as children.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Well, I mean, if you look at ancient scriptures India
or China or in the Middle East, you're going to
see signs and descriptions of visitors from space. Then if
you really study the scriptures, you're going to realize that
we have been watched over from long time ago, thousands
of years ago. And if you really study the scriptures,

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they're going to see that they had been guiding us
to a more spiritual path of life. And I think
Michelle de Murcay in the book Yoga Prophecy, describes what
happens when a person passes or dies. So I think
I do believe that the ets are not the wives

(01:17:12):
that are have been visiting us are not going to
invade us for sure, if you would look like look
like look like history, like what happened during the moon landing.
We haven't been to the Moon in the last fifty years,
despite uh far more advanced technologies and lower costs. The

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reason is that we have been worned out from the
Moon because we were not ready and we are not
ready to explore outside of the planet or solar system.
Because if imagine, if you see two groups of guerrillas
fighting against each other, would you really want to invite
them to rebuilt the furemention and to make a mess,

(01:17:56):
you really wouldn't. Similarly, the ets that have been watching
over us see us just like gorillas fighting amongst ourselves.
Until we are able to live more spiritual life harmonious
than peaceably together. We are not allowed to travel outside
of the planet or maybe the Solar system. And by

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the other I mean, by the same token, they would
also present other its with small intentions to visit us
or invade.

Speaker 6 (01:18:27):
Us for that matter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
So they had in the guardians or watchers to guide
us and also to safeguard us. I think people should
realize that this fact by reading the scriptures or maybe
just just by by thinking more indemendently and not to
be really uh, they kind of delved into the narratives

(01:18:50):
of the government.

Speaker 11 (01:18:52):
Yeah, but again, if you look at us, Okay, at
the rate we're going, we're not going to interfere with
them in their galaxy, their solar system, because even with
our biggest rocket we ever made, it would take literally
hundreds of years to get into another galaxy with our

(01:19:16):
technology that we have now, unless we have back engineered something.
What's your feeling on that one?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I think, I mean, we can travel at a speed
faster than the speed of light if we know the technologies. Actually,
the Fubans from the book the the Prophecy described how
they are able to travel, or how they traveled faster
than speed up light. Miche Durankue actually revealed to us

(01:19:45):
how they traveled so far from so far, and to us,
they first traveled to into deep space as a speed
faster than speed of light, a few times faster than
speed up light. And then once they're riving deep space,
they teleported themselves into another location in this space just

(01:20:06):
like immediately without any loss of time. And then they
again traveled as a speed of a few times faster
than spell light to their destination. So this is how
they traveled. I think it's doable, and it's possible to
really teleport an object i e. The spacecraft immediately into
another location. It's doable by vibrating the object to the

(01:20:30):
speed of light so that the object becomes like into
another state and then you can transfer or maybe teleport
that state of object into another location. Well and now
restore it.

Speaker 11 (01:20:46):
Yeah, about black holes, because you know, for years they've
said that anything goes in the black hole can't come out,
but they have changed their story on that here recently
that they have found objects that were swallen swallowed up
by a black hole coming out of it, which you know,
being split out of it. Could they maybe be using

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that technology to gain to jump one place to in
the next place.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I think the ets have discovered how to make a
black hole, how to make a warm hole, or how
to utilize the warmholes to travel themselves or teleport themselves.
I I'll give you one more detail. The ets who
visited us that who took Michelle de Marchay to their
planet utilized what we would call parallel universe or a

(01:21:35):
warp or a portal to hide themselves so that we
are not able to see them for the most part.
So what happens that they first travel into space or
space and then they use this parallel universe who hide
themselves before they reveal themselves through to the other Michelle

(01:21:58):
de Marche of that book, And I think their technologies
are so far advanced from us that they're able to
use natural laws or natural wormholes or portals to trans
to teleport themselves.

Speaker 11 (01:22:14):
That's a very good possibility. And you know, also if
you think of like a hologram to mitya Kaku, you
know when he was on my show, UH talked how
they could all interconnect and you could travel, you know,
great past distances through you know, basically a hologram tunnel.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Yes, if you read the book Michael Tabaths The Holographic Universe,
then I think you're people are going to understand that
the universe is holographic in a sense that if one
thing changes, then the universe changes immediately holographically. And this
is why when we do the testing of nuclear bombs, uh,

(01:23:01):
the facts actually are the parts of the universe and
the ets. Notice, this is why you hear news about
the activation of missiles or or nuclear testings by the ets.
And the universe is holographically formed. And I do agree
that the consciousness or maybe some other form of technology

(01:23:24):
can really travel immediately to other parts of the universe
without any loss of time.

Speaker 11 (01:23:30):
That is really makes logical sense. But getting to these aliens,
can you describe what they what they look like?

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
The aliens that visited Michelle de Marque and took him
to their planet for nowadays looked like the Nordic people,
except that they're really tall, like narrow ten foot tall.
They have blonde hair, they're verke and passionate, loving people.
When Michelle was with them, he felt great passion and

(01:24:01):
he didn't really want to come back to Worth after
saying on their planet. For nowadays, they can perform a
lot of we would say magic, like communications through telepathy,
materializing objects, and also levitation. They can also perform the

(01:24:23):
healings as described in some of the ancient scriptures, like
he resurrecting the dead and also to heal all the
different diseases we can think of. They never age, They're
forever young. They're always looking like in the thirties. So
Michelle when he landed on their planet, he felt that
very extremely why do the people look all the same age?

(01:24:47):
And he acts them and the responses that they can
regenerate their body theaters themselves so that they can live forever.
They're also hermaphrodised. That means that they can other births.
They can have their babies born at their will.

Speaker 16 (01:25:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
They explained a lot of secrets I've been wondering about
on Earth, such as who really created or built a
great pyramid of Egypt and why and how that was built,
and also what happens inside a parallel universe that can
actually explain big food or some of the other interesting uh.

(01:25:26):
Paranormal events that people wonder about, can also explain other
things that we hear, especially like near death experiences. It
actually they actually took Michelle Demericay through their past lives,
so so Michelle actually saw who he was in his
past lives and the meaning of life. So so basically,

(01:25:50):
if you read about the near death experiences, the survivors
always say that there's a life reveal process in which
the entire life or how they for since they were
born are revealed to him to then holographic ge so
that it's like a film being prayed to them and

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they can feel in me their own feelings, but also
how others felt when when certain things are were done
onto others. So this is like a self evaluation process
how one did in his or her lifetime. So the
entire process was explained to Nachelle the author of the book,
and also telling him what the meaning of life is,

(01:26:33):
which is to experience and to learn. Spiritually, everything that
happens on earth is a to or is a lesson
for when to learn. And actually this makes perfect sense
to me because you know, you don't take away any
material wealth when you pass. You didn't bring any material

(01:26:54):
wealth when you were born into this world. If you
look at the richest people in the world, they they
don't take away any any of their material wealth when
they pass. So so so we really need to learn
spiritual lessons here. So this is the advice or the
warnings that the its have been given to to Michelle,

(01:27:17):
people like Michelle or other people in the ancient scriptures,
such as like email or maybe other other people. So
this is some of the things that's revealed in the
book that I think, Uh, if we're encouraging for people
to to read the book and to locate.

Speaker 11 (01:27:34):
What else is Okay, Samuel, we're out of time. I
got like one minute left. Uh do you have a book?
You want to tell people how they can find it?
And I would like to get you back on here
in about a month and spend about an hour interview
and you on this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Sure. And the name of the book is Foba Prophecy
the Golden Planet. And you can get a book on
Amazon and also it's in all the audiobook form. You
can find an audible as well. You can also search
on Google on the same title and find more information
about the content of the book and also the specific
refiable sits contained in the book.

Speaker 11 (01:28:14):
Great well, Samuel, I want to thank you for coming
on and I really appreciate you coming on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
Dari Okay, you take care, okay, okay.

Speaker 11 (01:28:26):
Well, you know what, we have our next guest coming
up right after this break, and we're going to be
talking about thirty one Atlas, that spacecraft, that big rock,
that comet, whatever is coming towards Earth. So stay tuned,
don't go anywhere. It's go only to get better. Right
here on Night Dreams Talk Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
We went through each other lot go and from a
gun past. Then the Sheriff's drawing harder than the sun.

Speaker 10 (01:29:13):
And it seem coming.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Lately, I've been on the run.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
You know you've seen my face before, soul will let
me tell you, darling.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
You felling love with the famous man. Seen my pictures
posted everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Across the land.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
And if you run with me, you've got to run.

Speaker 17 (01:29:38):
Understand you all danger then?

Speaker 18 (01:29:48):
But you still own me, because maybe I own it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Do you steal own me?

Speaker 18 (01:29:57):
I got a bag of Monday hunt in the norm
bill on to me looking from a.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
Man that had it come and so you know it
over the free the old district. Don't less enoughing, take
our horses ease, and.

Speaker 18 (01:30:14):
If we run in the end frum, we'll leave him
in the Crimson.

Speaker 10 (01:30:18):
Streets telling a love with the famous man.

Speaker 17 (01:30:24):
Seeing my pictures posted everywhere across the land.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
And if you're with me, you.

Speaker 17 (01:30:33):
Got to run, understand, to hold the dangers from waning?

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Would you still own me?

Speaker 18 (01:30:47):
Just leave my waning?

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Do you still own me? Would you live where it is?
If they bound me?

Speaker 18 (01:30:56):
Would you turn me in for the browny with votures
a certain around me?

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Will do you shine?

Speaker 8 (01:31:16):
Coming to you from the great Northwest. This is night dreams.
Now here's your host, Gary Anderson, coming to you live
from his secret compound.

Speaker 11 (01:31:34):
Boy, that's thunder, Jacy. I'll tell you what pouring down rain.
I saw boats, cats and mules just going right down
the farm.

Speaker 12 (01:31:44):
Yeah, that's a lot of rain. It ain't happening there
on your farm. Hopefully the tree is stay put.

Speaker 11 (01:31:49):
Ton't even mention the tree.

Speaker 15 (01:31:51):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:31:51):
Every time I look go out, now I look at
the tree. Which one else is gonna fall?

Speaker 6 (01:31:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:31:57):
Last thing? He needs a lot of rain for sure.

Speaker 13 (01:32:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:32:01):
Well, do you know what the weather here is really
messed up here. It's actually hotter than normal, but not
extremely hot here in the Northwest. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 16 (01:32:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:32:11):
Well, it's been three straight weeks of about one hundred
degrees here except for today it's at a cool front
of eighty. Announce in the sixties mentioned that.

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:32:19):
Well, let's find out about our next guest.

Speaker 12 (01:32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:32:24):
He is the world's most widely read astronomer. He is
Bob Berman, author of twelve popular science books published by Harper,
Little Brown, and Tomorrow and numerous foreign editions. He is also,
since nineteen eighty eight, the astronomy editor of The Old
Farmer's Almanac. He's also a contributing editor and monthly columnist

(01:32:46):
for Astronomy Magazine. For seventeen years, from nineteen eighty nine
to two thousand and six, he was Discover magazine's monthly
Night Watchman columnist. Bob was a guest on numerous national
TV shows, such as Today with Katie Couric and Late
Night with David Letterman. Listeners in seven states here Bob's

(01:33:08):
weekly sky Window program on eight Northeast public radio stations
during NPR's weekend edition. Bob Berman founded the Catskill Astronomical
Society in nineteen seventy six and his director of Overlook
Observatory near Woodstock, New York, and the Storm King Observatory
at Cornwall, New York. Bob was an adjunct professor of

(01:33:30):
astronomy in physics at New York's Marymount College from nineteen
ninety five to two thousand. For thirteen years prior to that,
Bob Berman directed the summer astronomy program at Yellowstone Park
for the National Park Service and Yellowstone Institute.

Speaker 11 (01:33:48):
Well, everybody will be taking call ins at the top
of the hour if you want to call in and
tell me about your experience with bigboot UFOs, or well,
how about Atlas thirty or thirty one Atlas. Hey, Bob,
how are you doing.

Speaker 15 (01:34:03):
I'm doing great, at yourself.

Speaker 11 (01:34:05):
Well, I'm alive.

Speaker 13 (01:34:06):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:34:07):
I died twice since the last time we talked.

Speaker 13 (01:34:11):
No, yeah, really, yeah, don't want to do that.

Speaker 11 (01:34:17):
Again for a long time. I tell you that.

Speaker 15 (01:34:20):
Well, I hope not. I want to ask you about that,
but I guess you've already talked about it.

Speaker 11 (01:34:25):
Well, I had two heart attacks and died on both.

Speaker 15 (01:34:28):
My goodness, well, well, welcome back, my goodness.

Speaker 11 (01:34:34):
Well, I'm back well, hey, I'm going crazy. You know,
if you go on TikTok, if you go on to
YouTube and look at all these podcasts, or go on
to ihearder Apple podcasts, everybody's talking about thirty one Atlas,
not as a comment, but it's a spaceship because Abby
Low kind of you know, is pushing that it is

(01:34:57):
a spaceship heading towards Earth on evil. You know, grounds
what is? Can you explain what thirty one at List
actually is to the audience, Well, I.

Speaker 15 (01:35:14):
Can tell you what it's not, because whenever we have
any asteroid or comment visiting the Solar System from beyond
the Solar System, we didn't even know that happened until
a few years ago. Most objects stay within the Solar
System and are small, rocky or metallic objects like this one.
But running to an alien spacecraft, it's always you know,

(01:35:38):
you're going to something that if you talk to astronomers
or scientists, you're going to the most unlikely and without
any evidence explanation, so you know, just keeping within the possibility.
Every year we discover a number of new asteroids and
a number of new comments. The comments through ices and

(01:35:59):
the asteroids are made of stone or metal, so when
you're talking about Atlas, you're always talking about one or
the other. Now, I thought, now, this just shows how
I wasn't paying attention. I thought we were going to
really be paranoid and talking about Apopice, the object that

(01:36:21):
is supposed to that many feared would collide with Earth
in twenty twenty nine on Friday, the thirteenth of April.
That's a good day to hack in twenty thirty six.
And I thought, that's actually what we're going to talk about.
So I'm not really even up on the mysteries of
thirty one atalysts, but I could just tell you that

(01:36:43):
from the little I know about it, no, not a
space shrift.

Speaker 11 (01:36:47):
Well yeah, and I was looking at a whole bunch
of you know, photos and stuff from NAS and it
clearly has a tail. But you know, that's the thing
when people start spreading stuff like this that, you know,
it really riles people up. It can cause people to
do stupid things like sell their houses and move up

(01:37:08):
the mountains. But the one I'm worried about is what
you just mentioned, the other one. What is going on
with that?

Speaker 15 (01:37:15):
Well, yes, that was the real thing, because and it's
still to come I'm still ahead of us because in
two thousand and four a group of scientists that Arizona's
Kit Peak Observatory discovered a new object that came to
be called a poffice And the pofice has a nice

(01:37:38):
asteroidal typical orbit. But the problem is that the calculation
showed that it's going to pass so close to Earth
on Friday, the thirteenth of April in twenty twenty nine,
but there was about a two point five percent chance
of it colliding with us. Now, you know, that's less
than one chance in fifty, but it's not zero. So

(01:38:01):
everybody was justifiably afraid, and much has been made of it,
especially on the Internet, but even in mainstream sources of media.
But here's the truth about that. It will actually come
closer than any other foreign object. It's going to come

(01:38:27):
on that date. It'll be closer than twenty thousand miles. Now,
if you remember that most of our satellites are twenty
two thousand miles. All the geostationary ones, the ones that
are TV sets are pointed towards, our TV dishes are
pointed toward those are twenty two thousand miles. That's the one.
The ones that the military uses the ones that don't

(01:38:50):
seem to move because they revolve around us in the
same period that Earth rotates. So this is coming closer.
It's coming so close that it'll actually be seen to
move across the night sky without a telescope. Wow, the question,
I fear that it would collide. But we've had more
accurate measurements of it since then, and now we know

(01:39:12):
that there's no chance that will clide.

Speaker 11 (01:39:14):
Yeah, but isn't that like it between the Earth and
the Moon.

Speaker 15 (01:39:18):
Oh, a much closer than the moon. Moon is two
hundred on average about two hundred and forty thousand miles away.
This is twenty thousand, So we're talking about ten times
closer than the moon and making it worse. Just six
years later, in well almost seven years later, in twice

(01:39:39):
in the year two thousand and thirty six, in March,
and then again in December, it'll again pass closer. So
the fear was that the close passage in twenty twenty nine.
Now that remember that's coming up in just four years
from now.

Speaker 11 (01:39:56):
Should I go buy life insurance? Should I go get
life insurance?

Speaker 15 (01:39:59):
Well that's we all thought that it would be a
good idea. But because it's passing so close to us
just four years from now. The fear was that that
would change its orbit enough so that the next time
after that, in twenty thirty six, that time it'll actually hit.
And so there's fear is that one of those two

(01:40:19):
times we're going to be toasted. The good news is
that finally, just in the last few years twenty twenty one,
just a few years ago, Messi did orbital refinements. It
really pinned down the orbit of a Poppae, and so
we finally know that there is actually no chance of

(01:40:40):
it hitting in any of those next two encounters, and
in fact not on the one in twenty sixty eight either,
which was another worrisome date. See, these are things in
many people's lifetimes, of people who were alive today. But
now we know that for the next one hundred years
we're safe. Beyond that we may not be. There may
be a time I'm in the future, and I'll bet

(01:41:01):
it's more likely than not that it really will hit us.
And it's about the size of the Empire's staybuilding. It's
about twelve hundred miles in diameter, so it's a big
thing to destroy a city, and it could set up
tidal waves. It could do a mess of you know it, destruction,

(01:41:21):
could it?

Speaker 11 (01:41:22):
Could it cause the Earth tilt on its axis?

Speaker 15 (01:41:28):
No, no, not big enough for that, but big enough
for plenty of mischief. But now we know that for
the next hundred years anyway, we're safe, so at.

Speaker 10 (01:41:36):
Least from that.

Speaker 11 (01:41:37):
But how about tomorrow when somebody discovers something else coming towards.

Speaker 15 (01:41:42):
Earth And you're right, You're absolutely right. I mean, we
had back in what was it, twenty to twelve, I
think it was in on February fifteenth, there was the
prediction that we'd have a asteroid coming in very close
to Earth, and it so happens on that same day
we had something coming in that we didn't know about,

(01:42:04):
that was unpredicted, that came in from the direction of
the Sun, so we couldn't see it, and that one
actually hit us, or at least hit the atmosphere above
Cheliubinsk in Russia, and that one produced more injuries than
any other space object ever has, because it blew up
with the force of an atomic bomb, blew up eighteen
miles above that Siberian town or city, and it blew

(01:42:29):
out windows. People had rushed through the windows because there's
a bright light and a bright streak across the sky,
and when people went out to try to look at
that streak, that's when it chose to blow up and
broke lots of windows and hurt a thousand people from
a cut glass, which so these things can actually cause

(01:42:52):
down Prior to that, only one person in history was
known to be injured by something from space, and Haunt
is in Alabama in nineteen fifty four and she was
hit by media. They came through her ceiling, her roof.

Speaker 11 (01:43:07):
Wow, that you know the speed of it too. But
here's the thing too, didn't the moon just get hit
with one or two?

Speaker 15 (01:43:17):
Yeah? That's we knew that happened every once in a while,
but never observed till now. So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 11 (01:43:26):
How big was that?

Speaker 15 (01:43:29):
You know? I don't know. I read the article one
eye and out the other. So I don't want to
make stuff up, especially here on the radio where there'll
be somebody will know the truth and gotta tell the
truth here.

Speaker 11 (01:43:44):
So what else is going on in our system that
we need to be afraid of? Is there anything?

Speaker 13 (01:43:50):
I know?

Speaker 11 (01:43:50):
What I'm concerned is that they don't see all of
them that come flying past the Earth, and that's where
we need to spend more money, don't we to monitor thing.

Speaker 15 (01:44:02):
A lot of people are doing that. There are more
automated telescopes that look for incoming asteroids and comments than
ever before. It's not that common. For example, that we
were just talking about apofice and the danger of it
hitting us, Well, it turns out we do get hit
by something that size about twelve hundred feet across let's

(01:44:22):
say the size of a large building, once every eighty
thousand years on average, just on average. So if you
just wait around for it, that's it eighty thousand years.
So it's not that common, but it happens.

Speaker 11 (01:44:38):
Yeah, well, you know, I don't want to wait around
eighty thousand years. I mean, we got yellows undoubtedly blow
before that, so we got to worry about that more.

Speaker 15 (01:44:47):
That's true, and now the thinking is that that's exactly
what caused that Great Permian extinction, the event from two
hundred and fifty million years ago that killed more animal
spec It caused ninety eight percent of the genera animalotypes
on Earth to disappear almost overnight because of a huge

(01:45:11):
volcanic eruptions. We call those the Siberian Traps because they
were in Siberia and it's a yellowstone, just like the
Yellowstone being a super volcano. That type of thing has
really caused Earth to almost go extinct in the past.

Speaker 11 (01:45:28):
Well, gee, I got a lot to think about tonight.

Speaker 15 (01:45:32):
Yeah, well we're here, we're dealing with the warriors among
us out of the audience. A lot of people are
not content to worry about. You know, you were talking
about life threatening medical conditions, and what really kills most
of us are things like cholesterol and high blood pressure

(01:45:53):
and stuff that's not very glamorous. So for some reason,
it's more I don't know, exciting to think that instead
of us going one in a time, we'll all go
together in some kind of great event that's maybe caused
by an object from outer space. So that always has

(01:46:14):
had appeal, you know, sky, something from the sky, and
that media Shire that's coming up on August twelfth always
produces a little bit of worry whether one of those
is going to hit us, even though, as we said,
only one person in history has been actually hit by
a meteor, although a lot of houses are struck. You know,

(01:46:34):
a house in North America has hit the roof penetrated
once every year and a quarter on average, So that
really does happen.

Speaker 11 (01:46:43):
Yeah, I was reading the article back a few years ago.
A guy was in his living room in his recliner
watching TV. And guess what came through as wealth.

Speaker 15 (01:46:53):
Right exactly? That was Bob Donahue. Isn't this amazing? And
I actually remember these names. That was in nineteen eighty two,
and it was in the town of Weathersfield, Connecticut, and
he and his wife Wanda were just relaxing watching TV.
Even when I interviewed them, I even asked them what
they were watching, and they said they said it was

(01:47:15):
mash On TV. And when they heard the loudest sound
they'd ever experienced coming from the next room, so they
rushed in dust and smoke was filling the air, there's
a hole in the ceiling, and finally looking and the
table had been knocked over, furnature had been knocked over,

(01:47:36):
and they found the object under the table about the
size of a Grapefrouit big black meteorite that they called
the police and the fireman. It was a fireman who
actually found it, and very generously they wound up donating
it to a museum in New Haven, Connecticut. But yeah,

(01:48:02):
that was in Weathersfield. And here's a crazy thing. Eleven
years earlier in April was seventy one was the previous
time that a town anywhere in America had been hit
a house had been hit by a meteor and the
town that time was also Weathersfield, connecting it. So, I mean,

(01:48:22):
what are the chances of the same town having a
house hit twice in a row? You know? I mean,
that's you'd say that was impossible. And the only explanation
is that Weathersfield is right outside of Hartford where all
the insurance companies are.

Speaker 11 (01:48:37):
That hap to be the answer right there, You nailed it.

Speaker 15 (01:48:41):
I mean, these are the people who study the chances
of damage happening from different causes, and these are the
people who know that can't happen.

Speaker 11 (01:48:50):
What is also going on in the skies that people,
if they have a telescope or a good pair of bknockers,
could be looking at. Besides the meteor shower, is there anything?

Speaker 15 (01:49:00):
Yeah, the media shower is a big thing coming up.
That's on the ninth of August twelfth, because unfortunately, the
moon will be close to full this year, so it's
actually not going to be as good a summer media
shower as we sometimes get. So i'd say mark December twelfth,
December twelfth. I'm sorry, I said the twelfth wrong, December

(01:49:21):
thirteenth on your calendar, because that actually is going to
be the best meteor shower of the year, called the
Gem and it's then you'll see a meteor a minute,
and so that's the big thing with just the eye
with a telescope. This is kind of a quiet period
because Jupiter and Saturday are only up in the wee

(01:49:42):
Hourrows of the ninth are both rising around mid nine
or so or after, so in the convenient hours you
know that people want to be watching the sky, say
around nine o'clock or after dinner, that kind of time.
Not much. The moon right now is a nice first quarter,
which means a half moon. That's a little crazy by
itself that when the moon is a half of a

(01:50:04):
moon it's called first quarter. I think astronomy is the
only science where a quarter and a half mean the
same thing. But it's a quarter of the way through
its cycle, I mean starts. It's like a home run
cycle you start with in baseball, you start with first base, second,
third base, and home run you go around all the plates.

(01:50:26):
So with the moon, it's the first quarter half lit up,
full moon fully lit up. Last quarter of the other
side is lit up, and then there's a new moon
where there's nothing. It's black, you can't see it. So
first quarter is a quarter of the way around the cycle,
each one of those things lasting about a week and so.
But the good thing about moon tonight and tomorrow night

(01:50:48):
is that what it is lit like this, The sun
is lighting up half of it, and the suddlight is
shining at the perfect angle sideways to the moon, so
that all the stuff in the middle is lit up
at the perfect for a lot of shading and shadowing.
And so even with binoculars, but especially with any kind
of telescope, the moon is absolutely at its very best.

(01:51:10):
It'll just show itself off mountains, craters, craters inside other craters,
and mountain in the middle of other craters. Fabulous time
to look at the moon tonight and tomorrow night.

Speaker 11 (01:51:23):
Now the question is the moon is slowly drifting off.
If they got hit by a huge asteroid, could that
cause it to speed up drifting off from our planet.

Speaker 15 (01:51:33):
We'll tell you you see, it would have to be
huge you're right, but it would be huge, would have
to be the word. And you're absolutely right that it's
leaving us at the rate of about a quarter of
an inch a year. That's not very fast, but it's
spiraling away from us. And while it happens, that slows
Earth's rotation at the same time, So we're we're linked

(01:51:57):
our spin and the Moon's orbit around us every twenty
seven point three two one six six days. I just
memorized these things. Twenty seven let's call it twenty seven
and a third days makes a spin. But all of
these things happen differently. In the distant past, Earth spun

(01:52:19):
faster and the Moon was closer, and so these things
are linked. Slowly, Earth is slowing down its spin. I
think everybody knows that because every so many years we
have to add a second to our clocks, a leap second.

Speaker 11 (01:52:36):
But in the news last week they actually said for
some reason, the Earth has sped up a little bit.

Speaker 12 (01:52:41):
Have you heard that?

Speaker 15 (01:52:42):
Exactly? Nobody actually knows why. I mean, it all has
to do with stuff in the core and something it
has to do with dams built by China that has
changed the water on our surface, and that weighs so
much that it messed with our rotation. Whether the truth
is if that were the case, that we would speed
up and we keep speeding up and it would hold steady,

(01:53:05):
but it doesn't. It's irregular. Sometimes we speed up. Actually,
this is the first time we sped up enough to
actually have to take away a second from our clocks. Maybe,
But most of the time we were slowing down for
a bunch of seconds. Starting in nineteen seventy two, we

(01:53:26):
were slowing down almost every year enough so that a
second had to be added. Two seconds were added in
seventy two, and then after that the most years had
one second added. But for the last decade or so
we've not been doing that. So again, nobody really can
figure out why they slowed down on Earth. It has

(01:53:47):
seemingly stopped, and now whether we're actually speeding up a
little bit, I'm sure we're going to slow down again
in the future, and it's still a little mysterious. Of course,
it has to do its stuff under our surface, where
most of our mass is located.

Speaker 11 (01:54:03):
Now, what would happen if the moon drifted off? Remember
that TV show Who's Produced out of the UK Space
nineteen ninety nine, Yeah, what would happen?

Speaker 15 (01:54:16):
Did that have the moon? I forget what the plot was.
Did have the moon drifting?

Speaker 11 (01:54:20):
Yeah, the moon drifted away from the Earth and just
kept on drifting. But what would happen if the moon
did drift away from the Earth? What would happen to Earth?

Speaker 15 (01:54:30):
Well, if it drifted away enough and I will remember
because it is leaving us, so they'll they'll come at home,
and it goes far enough away, and Earth's rotation will
be slowed down enough that the month and the day
will be the same, will be locked in place that
at that time, you'll just like one side of the

(01:54:50):
moon faces us. We all know that that the same.
We always see the same dark areas or maria. They
used to call those seas. Early observers thought they looked
like oceans, the dark spots of the moon that you
can seat us with your eye. We don't need a
telescope that you see the same pattern every day, every
night because the moon. And people think that means the

(01:55:12):
moon doesn't rotate. Not true, the moon rotates, but in
the same period in which it goes around us, so
it's locked in place. It's as if there was a
string attached from the center of Earth, the closest place
on Earth to the Moon, to the middle of the moon,
like a string that held both the moon in place,
so that one area is always pointed towards the Earth.

(01:55:37):
And a lot of people thought of that as a coincidence.
Isn't that amazing that the moon's month and it's day,
it's period of rotation, and it's period of revolution, that
they're the same, Like, what a coincidence? But no, it
turns out that every moon of every planet does that.
Every major moon. I mean, there's some little, tiny pieces
of junk that are just a little captured asteroids that

(01:55:57):
are just a few miles across. We don't out those.
But the moons that are almost our moon. Saw It's
like the moons of Sugar, and a few of the
moons of Saturn, Night Titan, Enceladus, and one of the
moons of Neptune, Triton, the big moons of the Solcism.
They all do the same thing. They all face their

(01:56:19):
parent planet. They all have one side facing it. So
getting back to us, as we slow down in the
distant future, will eventually slow down so much that will
have one side of Earth also facing the Moon, so that.
I don't know if this is going to affect home values,
real estate values. But on one side of the Earth,

(01:56:42):
you'd have the moon in your sky at night every night,
and on the other side of the Earth, you never
have the moon in your sky.

Speaker 11 (01:56:49):
Can I ask you a question. I'm going back now
to junior high school here with my question. Yeah, if
that happened the Earth slowed down enough, wouldn't we lose
gravity and we kind of be floating like blooms.

Speaker 13 (01:57:03):
Now?

Speaker 15 (01:57:03):
Because we'll always have gravity because the gravity comes from
our weight, our mass, and that's what pulls everything. Everything
that weighs anything pulls other things to it. And we're
always going to weigh the same whether or not we're spinning. Now,
it's true that spinning like a carnival rod means that
our earth spin wants to fling any objects off it,

(01:57:24):
But that depends where you're look at. If you're on
the equator where everything is moving fastest. Actually, I'll give
you the figure. If you lived on the equator, you'd
be spinning at one and thirty eight miles an hour.
And if you're living near the poles, let's say in
northern Alaska, you don't spin at all. You just stand
there and twenty four hours later you face You've completely

(01:57:49):
made a turn. You faced around back where you started,
but you don't move. Whereas that the equator you move
over one thousand miles an hour, So that speed is
enough to want to fling you off, but not quite.
But I'll tell you what it does. It means that
you weigh a little more than a pound less.

Speaker 11 (01:58:06):
I need to go there.

Speaker 15 (01:58:08):
B two. Yeah, it would be a business opportunity. You
set up a quick weight loss clinic and guarantee results.
And as soon as the person got off the flight
and I went to your clinic, they get on a
scale when they're ready a pound less.

Speaker 11 (01:58:24):
Now one last question too, Okay, if we lost the Moon,
what would happen to the oceans, the tides?

Speaker 15 (01:58:30):
What would happen, well, all the tides. Yeah, the tides
would change because they are affected by the Moon and
the Sun, and the Sun has the tide effect also
about half as strong as the Moon, and the Moon's tied.
Interestingly enough, it's not due to its gravity, but it's
a difference of gravity between one side of Earth and

(01:58:51):
the other. As you probably remember again from school, Earth
is eight thousand miles in diameter. The Moon's about a
quarter million miles away, but eight thousand miles is a
couple of percent of that. So what I'm saying is
that there's a difference.

Speaker 13 (01:59:07):
In the.

Speaker 15 (01:59:09):
Distance from the far side of Earth to the Moon
compared to the near side of Earth to the Moon. Now,
this difference makes the difference in the gravity almost two
parts of Earth. Because gravity falls off very rapidly with distance,
falls off with the square of distance, So any change
of distance produces a big change in gravitational pulp. So

(01:59:32):
people on the far side of Earth are feeling enough
of the difference, or objects on the far side of
Earth enough of the difference in the Moon's gravity compared
to the other side of Earth that there is a Now,
add the oceans to that, which are interconnected and fluid,
and they can move so that you actually get a
bulge several feet tall about three feet tall that's directly

(01:59:57):
under the Moon. As the Earth spins under it creates
this tidal bulge that moves around as the Earth rotates,
so when it reaches the shoreline, it grows to the
average of five feet tall. That's the tide. So that happens.
It what happen once a day is the Earth rotates
and your position on Earth rotate to be under the
moon or as close to under the moon as you're

(02:00:19):
going to get. Where you live in the Pacific Northwest
and where I live here in the mountains and Upstate
New York, the moon is never overhead directly overhead, but
in places where it could be overhead, like in the Hawaii,

(02:00:39):
the bulge is directly under the moon, and so that's
the tide. So you're asking what happens, Well, it's true
as the Moon gets further further way, the tidal effect
will change. Because it turns out the tidal effect doesn't
change with the square of distance. It changes with the
cube of distance. I know we're getting nerdy and into

(02:01:00):
math here, but those of you who could follow us,
you know the cube is pretty big. Like if you
take a number like three three squared, it's just three
times three and nine. But three cube is three times
three times three. That's twenty seven. There's a big difference
between going from three to nine. You're going from three
to twenty seven. But that's how tides work. They change

(02:01:23):
their strength with the cube of the Moon's systems. So
in the distant future, when the moon is far away
or even as it's getting there, the tides are going
to get wimpier and wimpier and less and less. That's
what's going to happen.

Speaker 11 (02:01:37):
Very interesting. Now, is there anything you want to share
here before I let you go?

Speaker 15 (02:01:44):
Well, I would just say those who are into eclipses,
you know, we've had two great ones down in the
United States in twenty seventeen in Wyoming in twenty twenty
twenty four, just last year, in places like Texas and
vermon in upstate New York. And so those who are
now eclipse fanatics and want to join us in future

(02:02:09):
eclipses because I've been doing this for thirty years, taking
groups around the world or wherever eclipses happened. Just actually,
rather to give the company name. It's not my company,
but just just use my name Bob Bourban, and write
the word tours and then'll take you to information about
future trips Alaska and other trips to see eclipses and

(02:02:29):
things like that.

Speaker 11 (02:02:30):
Now, do you have a website you want to share?

Speaker 15 (02:02:33):
Not anymore. I don't keep it up. I've been so
lazy with that that if you go to my web,
if I mentioned my website and you went to it,
you'd be looking at all the great events coming up
for me in twenty twenty.

Speaker 11 (02:02:43):
Okay, it's hard. People don't realize.

Speaker 13 (02:02:46):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:02:47):
I have hard time keeping up with everything now because
of the show. Hey, Bob, I want you to take
care of yourself and you know, have a great weekend,
will you?

Speaker 15 (02:02:58):
And you too, my friend, I'm so read. We're both here,
yeah to do this?

Speaker 11 (02:03:03):
Oh how you do it? Anyway?

Speaker 15 (02:03:06):
Fine? Everything, I'm happy as a crime. This is great
up here. We're in a place where no one locked
their doors still and you look out the window. We
see a bear out the window at least once or
twice a month. So I don't like cities, and that's
where we are, where it's quiet. People don't think of
New York, any part of New York as being wild.

Speaker 7 (02:03:24):
But it is.

Speaker 11 (02:03:26):
Yeah, Well you take care and thanks you too. Okay, Well,
you know what, We're going to take one or two
calls and then we're going to wrap up the evening
here on Night Dreams Talk Radio. So jac well, isn't
it nice to know we're not going to get slammed
by something?

Speaker 12 (02:03:47):
It's very Yes, that is good to know, and you know,
here's the thing. Even if we've seen or knew or
found out something was coming, do we have any way
or plan or exit plan or anything to stop it?

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
No?

Speaker 12 (02:04:03):
No, no, no, no, yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:04:06):
Yeah, I'm just going to go in the basement and
you know, and uh, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Anyway,
Let's let's take one or two phone calls. We'll open
up the line.

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Speaker 11 (02:05:12):
Well, you know what, Jaz, I think it was the
exciting show here tonight.

Speaker 13 (02:05:15):
You know that.

Speaker 12 (02:05:17):
Yeah, I thought it was too. We covered some cryptis,
we cover a little bit of UFO stuff, and around
and off with well sky Man Bob with some astronomy
info that we needed.

Speaker 11 (02:05:28):
Yeah, so that made it really interesting here tonight. You
know again, you know, so many people are panicking. I
feel sorry for, you know, the people that believe this
garbage on TikTok and these podcasts, staying that you know,
the thirty one Antlas is either a spacecraft from aliens
that's going to attack Earth or it's Doomsday. It's going

(02:05:50):
to destroy Earth. And the thing is, I you know,
once it goes, it's it's crazy. When this stuff starts happening,
people buy into it.

Speaker 4 (02:06:01):
Now.

Speaker 11 (02:06:01):
I don't know if they're doing it to get ratings,
to clickbait or whatever, but you know that's missing information
and that's why I decided to bring Bob on here
tonight too. I mean, there's two things that you know
could have hit Earth, could be ending of our planet.
But you know, it's nice to know that neither one

(02:06:22):
is going to hit.

Speaker 13 (02:06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:06:25):
Yeah, it's unfortunate. But a lot of these outlets, they
really jump on these things. But you just gotta listen
this day and age, do the research and do old thinking.
Like I said earlier, I don't think any aliens are
going to come from God knows where it takes. You're
going to try to sneak up once by disguising as
a as an asteroid or a collet.

Speaker 10 (02:06:47):
You don't.

Speaker 11 (02:06:48):
I was reading a science journal here this yesterday, with
our most powerful rocket to get out of our solar system?
How many years do you think it would take?

Speaker 12 (02:07:00):
I read that once, But it would take a few.

Speaker 11 (02:07:02):
How about the fact, how about seven hundred?

Speaker 12 (02:07:06):
Yeah, that's a few. That's quite quite a few.

Speaker 11 (02:07:08):
I don't know how many of us, you know, let's
we can be put into this, you know, deep sleep
for seven hundred years. That man, you have a lot
of dreams. We got a caller, who do we have?

Speaker 13 (02:07:19):
You?

Speaker 6 (02:07:19):
Got art here?

Speaker 4 (02:07:20):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (02:07:21):
Art here?

Speaker 11 (02:07:21):
How are you doing this Friday?

Speaker 16 (02:07:23):
Okay, okay, okay, very interesting subjects on all the matters here.
But yeah, well maybe because your guest is still on.

Speaker 6 (02:07:34):
The question is no, the guest is gone. Okay, Oh
he's gone.

Speaker 11 (02:07:39):
You need to get a faster you know what, jac
We need to get a thing going and get him
a faster internet.

Speaker 12 (02:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:07:51):
Well okay, well, and you know in the case of.

Speaker 16 (02:07:56):
That, your first Kevin making them offman, uh look like
a reptilian because you know, I'm into the reptilians right
now because of all the things that are happening here,
and uh, I think they're here. My opinion, I think
the hybrids are here already, and I think they're kind
of like the social media says that they're running our country.

Speaker 6 (02:08:16):
You know, you know you Bible and all that art.

Speaker 11 (02:08:19):
Don't tell anybody, but I might be married to one.

Speaker 6 (02:08:22):
Oh oh, she's sneaky.

Speaker 11 (02:08:26):
Those eyes.

Speaker 16 (02:08:29):
But you know, we we have their the pineal Gland.
If you know, the Asians, they worship at pineal Gland
on their on their uh their monasteries. You know, they
have the pineal Glands. So they really get into that
because of the meditation and all that stuff. So it's
a symbol of of that that and then in different

(02:08:50):
countries they have like a reptilian being a statue in
every country had one of the sort that looks like
there they are the same and so and the issue
to me is I believe that there's just a hybrids
of that. But I believe that from my understanding and

(02:09:11):
seeing things, that there's repillion hybrid aliens like they mixed
in with them also, you know.

Speaker 11 (02:09:19):
But here's the thing, art, this could be going on
from thousands of years that they're walking among us. I
watched the movie two weeks ago about a guy was
being chased by somebody and he finds a box of
sunglasses in an alley and he puts one. Yeah, you've
seen that movie where he season. But you know, again,

(02:09:42):
there's been too many reports of people, you know, all
of a sudden they're talking to somebody, or or they're
around somebody and their eyes changed with a slit.

Speaker 16 (02:09:52):
Well, you know, I told you I went to a
place where I was talking to this woman and she's
looking right at me, and she her eyes were go
going back and forth. And a friend of mine came
to see what I was talking about, and she'saw it also.
And later on I got confirmation by somebody in there,
but half the people in there didn't know. They knew her,
but they didn't.

Speaker 6 (02:10:11):
Know she was one.

Speaker 16 (02:10:12):
And I heard something about somebody said sometimes they don't
even know themselves that they are one or you know,
very interesting of that that there's hybrids. But the main
concern for me is if they're here, they I feel
and I have some evidence on recorded that I was

(02:10:34):
put out that these things can like we can be
all talking right now and be put out for who
knows how long. And there's never never missed time anytime
loss had that experience. And so we were talking about
thought the vibration. How these things can perceive to be

(02:10:55):
as they say, they're like fourteen feet tall. Let's say
that draconian and they're they're in front of you, but
it's the president of the United States, you know, but
he looks like the president because they can make our
minds see what they want us to see.

Speaker 11 (02:11:09):
So I really you mean they would play golf all
the time too, at our expense.

Speaker 6 (02:11:16):
Well, they're having fun. It's the rich and famous.

Speaker 11 (02:11:21):
But do you ever think this? But do you think
about this the rich and the elite, you know, could they.

Speaker 16 (02:11:30):
Be Yeah, well yeah, that's that's that's the magic word
is how many are there? And how many they are
puppeting our people?

Speaker 2 (02:11:41):
How many have.

Speaker 16 (02:11:41):
Taken over our government law system? You know, because they
they seem to be having no compassional or or you know,
sympathy for any any other races other than you know
that they're causing the chaos.

Speaker 11 (02:11:57):
But they don't have compassion, they don't have compatis and
that's what's going on.

Speaker 6 (02:12:01):
Right right, right.

Speaker 16 (02:12:02):
So when I see, you know, somebody with no compassion
and and they're acting up in manipulating in their government employees,
or they're in positions that I meet do a lot
of that, and they, you know, I just call them
a reptilion. You know, a snake is a snake. You know,
they that's been known, you know, to be sneaky.

Speaker 11 (02:12:20):
Actually, well that sounds like the R S high r
S to me.

Speaker 6 (02:12:25):
Oh yeah, well I think they run that too.

Speaker 3 (02:12:28):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (02:12:28):
But also the thing was too in the ships of
these different orb ships, the way they disappear, the way
they come out in different manners, the way they transform
from commercial craft to to to a UFO or they'll
they'll do the opposite. They'll you know, they have the

(02:12:49):
transformation is ability throwing out. Also where I live, I've
seen like or a portal comes out. I've told you
that before, where there was something like the Millennium Falcon
look and shit, but it looked updated up to like
one of ours. When it came out over by the
Seal Beach Maval Shipyard. It just came right out of nowhere.

(02:13:09):
And then another couple of days later another one came
out and I saw quite a few of them, and
somebody had it on Facebook on a thing and showed
a picture of it, and I said, that's that's exactly
what I saw.

Speaker 6 (02:13:20):
I like that stuff because it confirms.

Speaker 16 (02:13:23):
But the issue is that how they one I saw
last year was like it was strange dark mass with
four corners of orbs on it, and then it went
from from vertical to horizontal and then it kind of
opened up a little portal door of some orange color

(02:13:46):
like orange masks rectangle, and it like disappeared. And I
got pictures of that. I just couldn't zoom in on.
It was right across the street from me. Kind of
got really good pictures on it, but when I went
to zoom, got zoom, it froze on that and so
I just took the pictures quick as I could, but
I got a good shot of it. But are these

(02:14:08):
are things the way they appear and disappear?

Speaker 6 (02:14:11):
That's my thing.

Speaker 11 (02:14:12):
I'm gonna throw some art before you do. I want
you to tell the audience what you saw in a
moof on meeting about a lady's eyes.

Speaker 16 (02:14:23):
Right, Well, let's pick to that one, because what happened was, uh,
it was fifteen minutes into the lightress along about fifty
people in the room, and this lady walks in and
as she opens the door, immediately I look over to
see who's coming, and I felt this. My hair went
up my neck and it my side of my left

(02:14:45):
side of the brain. It felt like something was pushing it.
It was a discomfort, but my hair went up for
twenty five seconds, and when she walked behind me, it
went down. She sat down at that point. Instead of
exiting any different ways, she came right in front of me,
and I just i to ask people questions. I said, oh,
excuse me, have you ever seen anything? And she says, yeah.

(02:15:07):
Where I lived, I have a lake, and I walk
my dog and an egg shaped orb comes out, goes
around the lake and stops in front of me. And
while I'm listening, I'm just right in front of her,
and her eyes were going from reptilian to human back
and forth. And a friend of mine that I met there,
she comes walking over and she starts poking me in
the ribs because she sees it. And so this was

(02:15:30):
something that, you know, like to me, it was like
nobody really knew this, but a couple of people in
the group we would go to a restaurant right after
meat and a group of us, and I told second
investigator came one time and I said, hey, I met
this lady with a and she goes, oh, yeah, we

(02:15:50):
did a study on her and she is one. But
again it acted. She said she wasn't really aware of herself,
but they did find that out. I think she was
because what happened to me, she was probably giving.

Speaker 6 (02:16:01):
Me a warning.

Speaker 16 (02:16:03):
So that's another thing. I believe that whatever's out here
right now listening to what we're talking about, they know us.
They're they're letting disclosure come out through us. But it's
a situation. If they don't like it, they can just
zap everybody's brain and reprogram it.

Speaker 11 (02:16:18):
How about you could disappear too, because the more you
talk about it with your friends, aren't you worried about
the government, the men in black coming and taking it
for a ride.

Speaker 6 (02:16:29):
No, I don't.

Speaker 16 (02:16:30):
I don't believe. I want to say this too to
the audience. Yes, the the orb that came to my
three different times, orbs came re up to my balcony,
the one that I was falling a car, and and
again they all sense I know one thing I have
with every one of them. They all sensed that I
saw them and stopped or reacted And a few times

(02:16:52):
I was put out and I was driven in my
vehicle and I was at move On where the guy says,
it's so funny. The guy goes, well, we never had
anybody get killed them, but they can knock you out
and you know, make you move your you know, take
off like their vehicle. And I said, that's what happened
to me. So on the way home that night, I said,
please don't put me out, maybe get home safe. But
with the capability of that, I mean.

Speaker 6 (02:17:14):
Isn't that really grabbing your mind?

Speaker 16 (02:17:15):
Like Wow, they could just knock you out, you don't
even know any missing time, and they can make you move,
they can make you do things.

Speaker 11 (02:17:22):
Well, you know, it's been reported a lot. Hey, Art,
I'm going to have to let you go, and I
do want to thank thank you for calling in tonight.

Speaker 16 (02:17:30):
Oh no, thank you guys, and everybody call in.

Speaker 6 (02:17:32):
Everybody call in. Okay, we'll see you, Jerry, Okay, you
take care Art well, j C.

Speaker 11 (02:17:37):
We're going to do one more show before because they
pushed back my surgery, so we're going to be doing
a show what next Friday, and then we're off for
a month.

Speaker 12 (02:17:49):
Yeah it sounds exciting.

Speaker 11 (02:17:51):
Not really. You think I want surgery now, I don't
mean that surgery. So I'm about the show. Yeah, well,
you know I live and breathe doing this show. My wife.
You know, my wife will slap me in the middle
of the night. She goes, oh, you're not on the air.
Quit Yeah, slap her around the world. That's the one

(02:18:14):
that happens at night whenever you're talking in your dreams. Well,
I'm evidently interviewing somebody in my sleep.

Speaker 12 (02:18:21):
Yeah, I wonder who it is. It's curious about that
what you're talking about.

Speaker 11 (02:18:25):
Yeah, you know there's a famous singer that I've been
chatting now with and we might be getting him on
probably October before he does his final tour.

Speaker 12 (02:18:39):
Yeah, that'd be nice. Get him.

Speaker 11 (02:18:41):
Yeah, you know who it was. I sent you over
something so you don't have to check him out. I
already did that today. I actually called him today.

Speaker 12 (02:18:51):
Yeah, just get him home. But you know who it is, right, Yes,
I know who he is.

Speaker 11 (02:18:57):
Well, who is it?

Speaker 12 (02:19:00):
Bert Humperde?

Speaker 15 (02:19:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:19:02):
Can you believe that?

Speaker 12 (02:19:04):
I believe it? I believe it. Yeah, it'd be good
to get him on and you know, touch base a
little bit about his life's experience.

Speaker 11 (02:19:12):
A little bit of paranormal stuff that happened in his life.

Speaker 12 (02:19:16):
Yeah, I was just going to say that, you know,
I'm sure in his lifetime, because he's an older gentleman,
he's probably come across par normal experiences.

Speaker 11 (02:19:24):
Yeah, he's in his eighties, Blue spani he's not. Anyway,
it's going to be really interesting too. I'm losing to
my voice. I talk a lot. Yeah, Okay, if anybody
wants to call in, I'll take one more call in.
But other than that, we're going to wrap up the
show here in about two minutes if we don't get
another call in. But you know, again, how do you
like it when we bring multiple guests on? Because I've

(02:19:46):
been experimenting with that, I'm trying to cover more subjects.
So what I normally would do by doing this, I'm
bringing on like two weeks worth of guests on two shows.

Speaker 12 (02:19:59):
Yeah. So yeah, it's working out right this time of
the year leading up to you might take some time off,
so yeah, it kind of works out.

Speaker 11 (02:20:07):
Yeah, And again, it's very important for you guys out
there to leave a comment, give us a thumbs up
if you like the show, because that's what our sponsors
look at. And if you don't leave comments, what happens
with YouTube. The more comments we get, the more they
share the show. And right now I think we're at
with three hundred and twenty five thousand subscribers.

Speaker 12 (02:20:27):
I can't believe that and say something else. Prouson to
pudding in Kevin Tonight's guest, our main guest there. He's
been a long time sponsor for a show. But he
even said that you know his book on the website,
so that proves a lot of people go to the
website and look at the information. His book sales pretty
much as soon as we put the book on there

(02:20:49):
has increased, matter of fact, all of his books. Matter
of fact, the first book was seven years ago and
it got boosted up into the top when he say
eighty four or.

Speaker 11 (02:20:58):
Yeah, that's interesting, they tell people look at websites.

Speaker 12 (02:21:01):
Yet, yeah, yeah, and listen. Uh, he's got some good books.
I've got all three of them here. I've read them.
I read them all the time. Because this stuff's not
that far from my house. That he's recorded and we're
researching and collected all the information from a lot of
people in that area.

Speaker 11 (02:21:17):
Have you heard anything new on uf old? You know again,
people are getting really desponded with the Congress, you know,
and everybody on ufology, you know, they're coming out with
all they're changing their stories. I can't even keep up
with it. You know, it's like everybody's flip flopping every
which way like a salmon during you know, a spawning season.

Speaker 12 (02:21:40):
Yeah, I've got some pretty compelling UFO guests. I'm not
going to see who they are coming up when we
come back there in September and October. So they're going
to be some pretty good ones. Pretty couple of well
knownes and very incredible.

Speaker 11 (02:21:53):
What happens when they sew me back up? They sew
my mouse shut?

Speaker 12 (02:21:58):
Well, hopefully your wife does put a little super good
between the stitches.

Speaker 11 (02:22:02):
Yeah, well, everybody. Again, I want to thank all the
people out there that listen tonight, and you know again,
you know, the like the last week we did this
a call in show basically, and we had one one
good good all called in. I think who was it?

Speaker 12 (02:22:23):
Uh what art?

Speaker 11 (02:22:24):
No, last week we had one. Yeah, we had stand
calls called in and you know that was kind of
interesting too. But here's the thing. I didn't think a
call in show would do anything, and we had a
couple of hours of people calling in.

Speaker 12 (02:22:41):
Yeah, we got a lot of calls that night, which
that was good because it really wasn't scheduled to do
anything or nothing less promoted, so it turned out pretty good.

Speaker 11 (02:22:50):
Yeah, this is the time of year. Also, I I
did put the surgery off to this long because we
kind of go dead during the last month because people
are doing things because the end of summer. So this
is this is gonna work out. And again I want
to thank my producer James Christbaum. Even though he sits
there and eats candy in front of me, you don't

(02:23:10):
see him. I do on the monitor.

Speaker 12 (02:23:14):
I do not recall it.

Speaker 11 (02:23:15):
Yeah, well I got eating to him well too. Next time,
everybody have a good one. We will catch you on
the other side of the campground. Everybody take care.

Speaker 9 (02:23:29):
Who's friends are the night dreamer Stuckey who at night
Geary on the radio?

Speaker 10 (02:23:35):
But maybe he's not on the side. Kits On is
still buying you a pose.

Speaker 9 (02:23:40):
That's right, Gary's touch your radio, Wes's Thursday and Friday night.

Speaker 10 (02:23:45):
You need a friend to talk to? He will oh
he's been the night dreamers.

Speaker 3 (02:23:50):
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