ARRO UAPs Tim Phillips Dr. Gregory Rogers Former NASA

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Its friend all the night dreamer stuck any at night?
Gary on the radio, but maybe he's not on the
side we puts on still buying UBOs. That's right, Gary's
tuk your radio. It's Thursday and Friday night. You need
a friend to.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Talk to you.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
He will always be the night dreamers talk your will
fix your respect because Gary stuck in.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
You at night.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Or his name on it?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Do you do you know the author? You do? And
how was you estimate that? That? Madam?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Are gentleman? They all the person is a Currenter, former
US government employee.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
And stay share that that there's the public version of
the author's report.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So where might one find the non public version of
the author's for more? I don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Would that be with the Department of Defense? I don't know?

Speaker 5 (01:09):
But the unknown is calling. Welcome to Night Dreams Forbidden Realm.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
Well here it is October the twenty fourth, and boy,
time is going by so fast. Halloween is coming up
next week and we have two great guests. We have
well who do we have?

Speaker 7 (01:33):
Jac Well for Halloween next week we have Thomas Jane
leading an off, followed up by mister Ron Fitzgerald who's
going to talk about some scary vampire stories.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
And this is a man who has a coffin in
his house.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:48):
Could you imagine that too when the police came to
this house and said, what is that coffin there for?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Exactly? That's a tough explain.

Speaker 6 (01:58):
Yeah, Well, did you do anything exciting today, JC.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
I'd see no, not. Today.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Today was like a Monday, even though it was a Friday,
which is strange. I think I had my weekdays in
reverse this week.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Actually.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
Okay, well, let's fine ask some information about our guests.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Mister Timothy A. Phillips was appointed as Senior National Intelligence
Service Executive in May two thousand and six. That served
as the acting Director and the Deputy director for the
Old Domain Anomaly Resolution Office previous Intelligence Community I SEE
assignments include service as the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency that's

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the NGA Afghan Task Force Director GEO and Mission Manager
for South Asia and Associate Deputy Director for Operations at NGA,
Intelligence Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, Special Advisor
to the National Intelligence Manager for Military Issues, and National
Intelligence Collection Manager for South Asia, where he managed national

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all source collection operations. As the former NNGA Director for
Mission Integration, he was responsible for the processing, exploitation, and
dissemination of geospatial intelligence products. Serving as the Managing editor
for Intelligence Today, he provided best and latest finished intelligence
products from all agencies on issues of vital national security

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interest to senior level intelligence customers and analysts across the IC.
As Chief of the Collection Coordination Group, he was responsible
for IC enterprise collection management, collection centric situational awareness, and
IC collection support services. He oversaw the odnized Sensitive reconnaissance Operations,

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mission planning, and national level intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance mission coordination.
Mister Phillips served as the Acting Deputy for Global Maritime
and Air Intelligence and the Chief Technology Officer, where he
led the development of technology, national policy, information access standards,
and governance necessary to improve government wide access to maritime

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and aviation information, data and intelligence critical to intelligence production.
As the former chief of staff for the Associate Director
of National Intelligence Chief Information Officer, he supported the CIO
and the execution of his duties relating to the information technology,
infrastructure and enterprise requirements for the IC.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, Tim, welcome to the show, my friend. How are
you doing this Friday night?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I'm out standing out here to his own on joint life.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
Ah, what the weather like.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
In the fifties and Clare We're about forty two hundred
feet on the side of Calleena Mountains.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
Just gorgeous out here, it sounds like, and I'm up
here in the Pacific Northwest and has typical weather rain.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
You know.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
I got to ask you a question. When you were
a child, did you ever watch those sci fi movies
with UFOs and aliens with the one eye?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
We did, but I spent most of my life watching
Armed forces and radio TV services. My dad was in
the Air Force, so I grew up on Air Force
bass all over the world. So we didn't get to
see a lot of network TV growing up. Oh well
I did, but I loved the shows. On Saturday. We

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would get the sci fi movies and wrestling, of course.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
Oh wrestling. Yeah. Have you ever heard of a wrestler
named Jimmy Stucca? I have, Yeah, he Well, he's no
longer with us, but he was a relative of my wife.
So I got to know some of the most famous
wrestlers you know, back in the seventies and eighties and
stuff like that. And they warned me after I got
married to my wife. Don't ever do anything wrong or

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you're going to get a visit from one of us.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
So amazing.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah. So, what of all the places you've been as
a child around the world, what was your favorite?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I would probably say the island of Guam. We first
got to Guam in nineteen sixty five when families start
going there, and the island was littered with military equipment
from the war, and we would start off the school
year with a brief from Meod telling us not to
touch stuff. But being a young kid being able to

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go to Troggy Beach and they had the Air Force
boot buses run around the base. We show your ID card.
It was great, and they had a little hill by
the gas station and we would watch the off cycle,
the takeoff and landings, the B fifty two's and the
Casey one thirty five heading across you know, South Asia
going to Vietnam, and the entire base would just just

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roar and shake with the smell of jet fuel and
black smoke, and then it would be deathly silent for
about twelve hours, and then you look up and you
would see the bombers coming back all queued up, and
then that whole cycle of re arming and there and munissions, debriefs.
Just absolutely amazing to be a young kid out there

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on the island. That's you know, you had cruise flying
missions from the base I was at. It's very strange,
but loved it. Beautiful weather, beautiful people.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
Oh yeah. A friend of mine. I don't know if
you remember an airline called Republic Airlines back in the
eighties and seventies and all that. They were a major
airline that went fuss. But a friend of mine was
one of the vice presidents of Republic Airlines and during Vietnam,
he flew a B fifty two for he said, from

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Guam over to Vietnam. And what ended his career. He
wanted to become a brigadier general. Before he retired, he
was a colonel. And what happened is he saw an
object office wing and what he told me it was
a UFO and you know, he wor slinging his military career.
He got on the horn, but he told me and

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he raided it in. We got an object offer wing
and he described it in his co pilot said, well,
we're in fort now, and a few minutes later he got,
you know, a radio message when he land not to
depart or the crew depart the craft. They surrounded his
craft with you know, military MPs, I guess and escorted

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him into a building where then he was interrogated and
everybody else was, you know, interrogated. I don't know, have
you ever heard any of those.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
We actually have an I am. It's very very proud
and one of the best things we did in the
Air Office to try to remove that stigma of reporting
during that time of the war. If you had reported
a u or UFO incident, you know, you could possibly
lose your ability to fly, you could be grounded. That

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was a career ender to admit that you saw something
you didn't understand. And one of the things that Er
was able to do in cooperation with the J three
of the Joint Staff is actually put out direction to
the Department of Defense, the directive to tell them if
they see a UAP, to report the UAP through their

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chain of command, and to retain data. That was one
of the more frustrating things as we were asked to
look back at very very infamous cases, amendments case trying
to get our hands on the actual data so we
could do a scientific examination of facts was very, very

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difficult because there was no direction in the department to
retain data. But that's one of the greatest things we
had is to move that stigma. If you see something
you don't understand, you've got to report it because there's
people that really need to understand the phenomenon. And we
hope to kind of extend that in the future to

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the public and kind of have a public reporting mechanism,
kind of crowdsource this and it would help our understanding
and maybe help us understand what the baseline is. There's
a huge collection bias right now and the detection of
the UAPs are where you see the UAP cases are clustered.

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It's because where we tend to have sense of things
we want to defend, we tend to have a lot
of surveillance and ISR capability do detect things. However, what's
the baseline? You know the current director barill is you know,
that was one of the things we didn't understand. You know,
there's in the folklore of UFOs and UAP there's been

(11:14):
books written about the UFO bias toward nuclear infrastructure and
the weapons are being stored and developed, and there's whole
books on it. Well, is that true? You know how
many UAP incidents are over the cornfields in a Alaska
that we don't know. We don't have a way to

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compare that right now, and we were trying to get
a baseline of the activity. The data is there, The
data has never been exploited. So with the use of
AI and the algorithms that we were able to invent
and create and actually filled. If we take historical data

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that's there. The government's already collected and stored this data
think of it, space surveillance data, the weather data, the
air traffic control, the radar, the d O D radar,
everything that Northcom nor rat has. If you take that
data and you're able to throw some algorithms and AI

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and some machine learning. So we have an incident, we
can go back in the historical data and say is
there any activity that corresponds with that case? And can
we reconstruct the track where did it come from and
where did it go? And there has been some great
progress in doing that and give us a much better

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understanding of what the baseline of activity is. What you know,
what are the interests and what are they trying to
tobay and how you know how prevalent is it. We
do have that collection bias because we do have things
to detect critical infrastructure and operational cources.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Well, Errol, I got the question I had for you,
Tim Errol. How similar is that program to like what
Project Bluebook was?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Nothing like it? The Apples and Oranges? Errol is the
I would say, the first legitimate effort by lawmakers, Okay,
to truly understand the UAP phenomena. The actual budget is
classified that I can't deal that, but it's very very adequate. Okay.

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They have a robust budget. They have access to all
of our government's ISR, theconisant balance data. We partner with
basically the old Manhattan program if you think about the
Department of Energy labs that me team with. We work

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with the Service Intel Center, so the National Air and
Space Intelligence the National Space Intelligence Center Mistel Center. We
we have these amazing partners, and we have the budget
to establish analytical and technical self to help understand that.
We can work with m T where you know, helped

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invent with the British radar world War two and actually
there was a you know, an incident down at Langley
where they had a UAS you know attacks, but they
had incidents morble period of almost two weeks that they
couldn't detech, couldn't stop. Well, we were asked if we

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could go back through the available radar data and try
to understand the tracks, you know, where were the ua
S is launched firm, you know, what were the things
that were interested in and how did the egress from
the Langley you know base area there. And we worked
with M I T to do that. That's not a
U A P. That was the UAS. But due to

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the technical in the scientific expertise that er as in
the partners that we have, you know, we're able to
you know turn and you know, focus and help provide
leads to that case Passporce that was knocking on doors
trying to figure out who was launching and violating you know,

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the restricted airspace over the base. These UAP technologies and
techniques procedures we have develop work very well against UASS
as well.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
That is very interesting. Now you mentioned the nemets. You know, again,
you know, depending on who you talk to, you know
a lot of people say it's off world, a lot
of it say it's skunk works. Uh, you know, what's
you're feeling about what happened with the nemets.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
First of all, I'd like to say it's a frustrating case.
It's going to happen a long time ago, and there
was some truly unusual anomalyges and strange things that happened.
And in real time, Commander third Fleet and the staff
you know you had, they were actually on the flag bridge.
They understood some weird stuff that's going on. We had
the Princeton out there with a one of the first

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combat work ups battle group as they are going into
the gulf, well, they were picking up things they didn't
quite understand. They actually vector fighter aircraft to go look
at bogies and there were visual and there were radar sightings.
The problem that data can't be found. So Third Fleet

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knew at the time that there was something strange going
on and actually asked or directed in order that the
data off the Princeton be preserved. And we understand that
that tapes from the spy one radar was actually you know,
flown to San Diego, and from San Diego was transported

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to Dograam, Virginia, where the Navy has the labs to
exploit that radar, that digital radar data. There were two
physical searches that were initigated by the Navy and Arrow
trying to find that that original data. We could not
find it. We also were going into the archive, so
we wanted to see the deck locks and the flight lock,

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the journals of what was going on. So if you
did vector a fighter to go, you know, examine a bogie,
were you pulled a fighter off an exercise work up
for a combat deployment to go look at a bogie?
There should be a record of it, you know, up
in you know, prime fly. I should have would have
had written it down, but they told someone to take

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a look. As we went into the arc, we could
not find the locks from the ships. Was it incompetence,
We don't know. We just couldn't find the original data
to help understand what was going on.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
Could have been covered up, you know what happened over.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Twenty years ago. I can't tell you was it incompetency
or cover up? We don't have enough evidence to you know,
with any confidence at all, declare what it was now.
It was interesting as we were working with the Navy
and they were doing investigation, because there's so much interest
in this case that one of our seniors are actually

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our CTO or our chief technology officer was actually at
a cocktail party in Old Town Alexander and was talking
about worry Work Arrow and he found out that gentleman
there used to be the director of DARKA and he
had mentioned what happened during the exercise where he had

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his technicians actually and they're wearing black jumpsuits who actually
flew out to the Princeton to recover some kit because
they had at the time an experimental ISR system that
that was part of the exercise being used that was
not shared, so it was still a black program and

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it wasn't out there, but it was part of the exercise.
So when the crew came out, they went into the captains,
you know, the technicians from DARPA. They had actually gone
into the captain's cabin. Now that is I've got three
years at sea as a marine officer that has strange
behavior and that doesn't happen. And the crew saw that,

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and there was a retired Navy cheat and a podcast
actually commented on these weird people that flew out there
wearing these black jumpsuits that recovered a lot of you know, uh,
data and equipment from the ship. Well, we know that
what that was. That was the DARPA team that went
out and recovered equipment for that ISR system that they

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were using during worker. So we were able, you know,
with pretty high confidence that we were able to verify that.
It was a little bit frustrating as we were trying
to get the flight logs that would verify the tell
number of the aircraft and what time they land to
go back and say that that incident corresponded with that
actual sorting and that's when we discovered we couldn't find

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the journals and the lots. We don't know where they were.
Now that that was not a good thing for our government.
But AERO exists today, and if we had something like
that happened today, you know, DoD In the Navy has
clear instructions to report it and retain data, and then

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AERO has the ability very very quickly to get a
team out overnight or the same day, you know, to
be able to do start that forensic investigation, professional debriefers
to talk to the witnesses to help understand and reconstruct
what happened, and then we will work with other agency
to see if there's any other surveillance data that could

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help us understand, you know, a UAP incident. So we
have made great improvement since two thousand and four. But
I don't think we're ever truly going to know what
happened in the Nemen's incident.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't think we ARROW has tried, the Navy's tried
to understand. We know something happened, but we can't tell
you what it was.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Maybe they don't want the public to know.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I don't believe, I truly don't. You know. I've been
in the intel in the military for about forty five
years before I retired, and I have never worked in
a program with the access and the resources that we
have in the positional authority. The Director of ARROW reports

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to the Deputy Secretary of the Vents and to the
Principal direct deb the Director of National Intelligence. You don't
get much higher than that in the government. And then
you report to twelve different oversight committees up on the hill.
You know, there is a lot of scrutiny, there's a
lot of reporting going on, and it's sincere one of

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the things that I would always be asked when I
went up and and I briefed on ables. Catherine Hicks
was at the time, she was the Deputy Secretary of Defense,
and she would ask me after I briefed her, she says, Tim,
you know, is there anything we can do? Is anybody
blocking your investigations? There any way we can help? And

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that was sincere the same thing with the Director of
National Intelligence. When I briefed her Avera Paint. She was
incredible and they downfilled black for as they got us,
you know, they introduced, they got us in the room,
you know, when things are being discussed. We needed to hear.

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And I have never seen that type of access and
cooperation in my life. Normally, when you get into the
special access and controlled access programs, by design, things are
very compartment wized. And the fact that if it was
related to the UAP, we had access to it. I've

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never seen anything like this in my career. The fact
that they encouraged us to go find the truth. And
I know there's a lot of people out there in
the public are frustrated because they don't know what Erro's reporting.
Errow reported a lot, but it's we never could go
out and tell them what they wanted to hear. And

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the reason Erro still exists is that the intelligence and
the reporting that error produces to help us understand UAP
incidents is viable to the government. And I will say
right now, and we never found any evidence of anything supernatural, Okay,

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any extraterrestrial sentient being. We did discover we had thousands
of cases in a small percentage of cases. And you know, John,
last time I was up on a hill we got
out of the skiff and a public testimony, he actually
told the American public and Congress, there is a small
percentage of cases that we don't understand. We know there's

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something there, we can measure it, we can detect it,
we don't know what it is. And as an intel officer,
as a military professional, I'm a little bit concerned about
that because where we to detect them are in very
very sensitive locations for close to operational courses, and the
world is too dangerous of the place to have something
we don't understand operating in close presenting to something we

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need to protect. So we looked at as a national
security issue. Often we would get reports, you know, partial
reports of a flight crew or a connaissance system will
pick up something that was unique and novel. We could
not correlate the signature of what was measured with a

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known adversary or a friendly system, either a maritime or
an aviation system. It didn't correlate. We didn't understand it,
and that led us, you know, to the second of
what could it be. So part of Aero's mission is
with that technological and operational surprise. And we had reporting

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that came from operational units that we were reported as
a UAP, something we didn't understand that actually resolved as
a new adversary capability that was detected by one of
our sensors and using you know, our analytic capability and
more collection, we were able to understand what, you know,

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what that system was and we were able to have
that published that civilized intelligence. So ERROW does that that's
not reported to the public and never will be maybe
in seventy years they're still alive, you know, it'd be
be classified. But ERROW does stuff. But they're not hiding,
you know, they're not trying to hide, you know, something

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that is supernatural. These are man made objects. These are
foreign systems that we were able, you know, to help
the community understand. And some of the cases we actually
were in the field with the military security personnel that

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reported them, and we were able to help them understand
that that was you know, STARLINGK satellite, or that was
the International Space System. However, there were other things that
were reported that we were able to confirm, measure and track.
We don't know what they were, and that is concerning.

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We need to know more and we need to do
a better job of detecting them farther away from critical infrastructure.
And those are the very very intriguing cases, the hard
cases that we're working hard to understand and to try
to put out better instrumentation and do a better job
in incorporating all the sensor capability of our country. So

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one of the neat things that aarone was able to
achieve is we were able to define what a UAP
in space was. So that was important because as you know,
in our centerity of gravity as a nation when it
comes to work fightings control of space. The new migrout

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Tim we needed to do.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
We need to take this break and let's find out
about these UAPs and space. Two, how you guys track
it and get the information on that when we come back.
We'll be back with Tim in about three minutes, so
stay tune. We'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
It might have been things on you, but don't be unkind.
It don't mean I'm lying. I've said something on some
I think I'm lying if.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
I shouldn't, Sir, there it is.

Speaker 9 (29:13):
You see, it's all clue you were then to be
from the beginning. Maybe I might have changed.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Not been so cruel.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Night Dreams Talk Radio the show they warned you about,
and for damn good reason.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
That and we're back with Tim. You know these UAPs,
you know again, I know some friends that were you know, astronauts.
There was astronauts and other people in NASA, and they

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have told me some of the when we went to
the Moon, for example, that we saw craft on the
Moon that other ones well they were in their craft
circulating you know the Earth, they saw UAPs. I mean,
have you guys investigated any of those claims.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
We were aware of the claims and we've I've actually
an astronaut about some of those claims. But no, what
we were interested in were objects approaching both our Solar
system and then the Earth itself. So as you know
that we do space surveillance and we worked with a

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Space for US and Space comm and work with NASA.
Aero does that because as a marine I want to
try to detect a threat as far away as possible
give us time to react. So if we could see
an anomaly approach in the Earth. The Space Force guys
they're thinking about threat, is that a system the riberating missile?

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What is it? And if they have some great protocols
and as you know, they have Catalog hundred you know,
not hundred, but tens of thousand piece of space jump
that actually is a hazard to space vehicles. But once
they determine they think they know what it is and

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it's not a threat. That anomaly no longer interests them
because that's not not their mission. And what we were
doing in our some of the little war games is Okay,
we know that that track is not of interest to you,
but we would like to know does that track core
with a UAP incident or report in the atmosphere or

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in the maritime environment. Is there a correlation there and
can we build a track from you know, entry into
the atmosphere to someplace on Earth. And that's what we're
really interested in doing. We've invested a lot and understanding,
you know, what's in the neighborhood of the Earth. Where

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do things go where do they come from? And we
do that and we're trying to automate that as a
huge data from and that's where they made some real
investments and improvements trying to come up with the algorithms
and the high speed computing using machine learning and AI

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because unlike the Chinese, we can't, you know, we can't
train and hire ten thousand analysts. We've got to do
with machines and we've got to operate at the cheap speeds.
There's there's a rate symmetry between what we're doing with
a surveillance we're all trying to detect UAPs and what
the administration wants to do with a golden dome kind

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of get serious about defense of the homeland. There were
cases where we were working with Department of Justice, Department
of Defense in DHS to protect critical infrastructure and homeland.
We were looking for UAPs and we detected uass And

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the same time, what we want to do is when
DHS or Apartment of Justice, state, local and tribal authority
detects a AUAP when they're looking for you, we need
to be able to quickly exchange tracks and share data
so we can we can have a coordinated operational spose.
We don't want to know the language where we were defenseless,

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where we had something blind and restricted airspace you know,
for over a week and we could do nothing about it.
The world is too dangerous of the place, you know,
to be inpoinite. We just can't afford that. And as
I mentioned before the show, you know, when we had
these true UAP cases and no incident that I was

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privy to, was there any hostile activity or aggressive activity
that was detected by any of our witnesses or any
of our sensors. And we would detect things we didn't understand,
but we know we may declare them unauthorized but not
hostile because they didn't do anything threatening.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Yeah, but there could they be gathering information about our military,
our equipment, our basis, because I mean there's been a
lot of reports of these things near military basis.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Oh absolutely. And actually we know that some of the
these uninvited systems attempt to avoid detection. We've actually had
security actually following a device, you know, a car sized
device following roads. And as as an old ARA observer,

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I love following roads to confirm where I'm at. If
I got to call it do a mission fire. But
when they actually saw military place on a convoy actually
leave mainside, the device actually got off the road and
hovered so wouldn't be detected by the trucks going by.
So we know that they're aware. I think there's a

(35:42):
human on the leak and a human on the loop,
and I think they're absossiarly systems. I don't think it's
Space week, you know, trying to get into Area fifty
one to see what's going on. They're too pacisticated, and
they're operating too far from access to some of these
large governments, you know, rages in test sites.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Well, what concerns me is these fast movers underwater fast movers.
Have you done much investigation on that, because I mean
I heard from various Navy personnel, mainly submariners. Is that
real fast moving objects in the oceans.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
We have We've actually met with the Office Indian Intelligence.
We have met with a lot of their labs. We've
actually deployed to work with the Navy on some underwater
anomalies that were actually detected and we're able to eventually
solve what they were. We found that the maritime environment

(36:49):
or that domain to be very, very hard to work with.
They were even more compartmentalized than the space domain, and
their primary focuses detecting the middle of steel moving through water.
That's what they were really focused with. And to tell
you the truth, we didn't make a lot of headway there.

(37:10):
We and we what we decided to do is prioritize
the air domain and the space domain where we had copy.
You know, we had you know, partners to work with,
we had data, and we had some success. We hadn't
got as far in the maritime domain as we would wish.

(37:32):
We do understand, you know, sounds noise, and we're very
interested when you've got reports of things that, on the
face of it seemed to go beyond our understanding of fitness.
So that does get the attention of our scientists. But

(37:54):
I will tell you the domain that we had the
least successful, and we're just not very mature, was in
the maritime domain. And I know that aeron met addressed
at in the future, but JO only have so much
time and you know, so many resources, and we focused
in the air domain, we focused in space, and we

(38:14):
really were focused on national security sites. It's a large country,
it's a large globe, and since we were a d
D n S entity, we really were trying to protect
critical infrastructure and operational forces was our primary concern. But
we did want a crowd source, we did want a
public warning mechanism, and we did want to take in,

(38:39):
you know, the real team, real time data from the
next gen digital weather radars that can detect dust molecules
icing over from UH biostatic h You know, if there's
a lot of energy in the in the atmosphere, it's

(39:00):
going to reflect you know, radio waves across the speak
the spectrum that could be detected, that could be detected,
use whether radar, use air traffic control, and try to
build a comprehensive, integrated common operational picture so we can
understand what's going on. It's one of the things that's

(39:22):
been lacking, and you know, I was very proud of
my last operational deployment. We are actually in support of
a Department of Justice uh A, DHS and d O
D operation and we were able to provide an integrated
cop that the law enforcement operators could respond to. We

(39:45):
could provide Latin long imvocation of anomaly that they could
you know, in this case, they could prosecute and these incidents.
These systems were at adversary systems. They were not something
that came from another dimension of the world. These are

(40:07):
state sponsored systems being operated in places they should not be.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
Well, you know, you've mentioned AI a lot here tonight.
But here's the thing too. AI is really muddied up
the waters too because now and I'm saying it, because
now you can generate images that are so realistic you
have to spend a lot of time to find out
if it's real or not. I'm talking about the professionals

(40:33):
will spot it right away. But the people that aren't
professionals and look at that, they believe this stuff. And
it's getting really out of control right now.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
You know.

Speaker 6 (40:44):
Another thing is really getting me out of control right
now is the three I Atlas. So many people think, oh,
it is an alien craft coming to Earth to destroy
Earth or whatever. People need to get their act together.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
People, you know, they like sensationalism, they like conspiracy, and
you're right, disinformation of the team's concerned that we have
and we know that the Soviet Union used the U
A P topic to kind of undermine the American's public
confidence in the military and the government during the Cold War.

(41:23):
We know, uh, the whole U a P topic was
used to disguise or conceal what we were actually doing.
You know, there's there's there's a lot of cases of
that in our history. We know that, and we we
had evidence we were involved with that, not not doing it,
but under cover of cases where the government provided you know,

(41:45):
doctored photos or images of UFOs flying around in Novata.
We had witnesses came forward and shared that work was
and that was done to kind of hide what they
were actually doing. And we also noticed that there were
a report from educated, credible, sane people that saw things

(42:09):
they didn't understand now and their assessment was that it
was supernatural or something from another world. When the people
who reported these anomalies that they saw the US government
recovering or reverse engineering or testing other world technology and

(42:32):
they reported it to ER using the secure reporting mechanism
that were established or referred to us by either an
IG or by Congress, we found that their descriptions were very,
very active. They were good to witnesses, they were reliable witnesses. Now,
they didn't understand what they observed and their attribution was wrong,

(42:58):
but they're just fisical descriptions were right on. I can
remember a witness that claimed that we were testing an
alien spaceship out there in evat at the test site,
and we thanked him for his patriotism and reminded him
that he had a lifelong obligation to nondisclosure agreement he signed,

(43:23):
and then we went out to the agency and the
military service that was conducting these tests and say, what
is it, We want to see it. When we actually
saw the video, we clearly understood why that gentleman who
was legally present, he was working out there, but he

(43:45):
wasn't privy, wasn't read onto the program. When you saw that,
you would say, oh my god, that looks like something
out of a scientific movie, out of something out of
Star Wars or you know, Star Track. It's just what
you would you know growing up, and you'd ask barely
on did I see these science fiction movies? If you saw,

(44:08):
you would say, yeah, that would be a logical conclusion.
And we were so we were so amazed by one
of the programs of record that we actually asked the
through our agency, for an image that we could put
in the sap CAP version of historically report to be
able to show and demonstrate to the senior leadership, you

(44:35):
know in the House and the Senate. How you know
people can mistaking, can mistake these programs frelien technology in
their action engineers and developed by humans here.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Oh, I believe that because technology is advancing so fast
and the craft, you know, experimental craft is coming out.
You know, the baverage person see that, they're going to
think it probably off world. But here's the thing, and
I don't want to get you in trouble or anything
like that, but do you have any gut feeling that

(45:09):
maybe we're back engineering alien craft.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
No, we looked at you know, part of that avoiding
technological supplies. We were looking at theoretical you know TR
two you know technology rating this level two and three.
Things that are theoretical that we think you should be
able to do, but we haven't developed an engineered solution

(45:37):
to operationalize it. So think of stealth. So we've we
were able to achieve stealth and aircraft by materials and
shapes to minimize that it rad our cross section, but
we only really operate those systems at night. What if
we could achieve a degree of optical stealth and now
expand an operational window. So if you go back to

(46:02):
Arnold and this movie Predator where the alien had this
little cloaking desice and it kind of gets shimmering camouflage
to the alien. Well, you can purchase an optical shield
that will move photons and will mimic the background. That
technology is available today. Now, what if you could have

(46:25):
an applicant or some type of thin skin that you
could apply, you know, to the fuselage the skin of
an aerial system to achieve that optical stealth, and you'd
get that shimmering effect. It would it would be less
visible in daylight, especially in the end in the you know,

(46:48):
not the infrared, but in the optical you know, where
humans can see it. We had cases of things being
reported where we had that shimmering effect or you had
like a corona, like a discharge around it. And we're
going back to the scientist. You know, someone achieved a breakthrough.

(47:08):
You know, with power or capability, we're able to operationalize this.
We know you could do it, but the weight and
the power of requirement, we mean that aircraft wouldn't have
any of no range or no ability to carry a payload.
But what if there's been some technological breakthrough and maybe
that could account for some of the UAP cases that

(47:32):
we don't understand.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
Yeah, but here's the tim that I come from human
But there's been so many reports of back engineering, crash
retrievals and stuff like that. Now, could there be another
agency that is you know, that you wouldn't know about
with the government handling stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
You know, we we thought about that. We actually talked
to forensic account to keep investigate you know, money and
how it flows and how it's used to you know,
fund black programs. Uh, the amount of money and the
amount of time and knowing human nature, I don't think so.
We've been doing this for seventy years, and we had

(48:18):
the thing that Congress was most concerned about was the
use of appropriated funds, okay without authority, trying to hide
things from Congress. They were very concerned about that, and
they took the claims of these witnesses that said that
the US government had recovered and reverse engineering aming and technology,

(48:42):
and we had the bodies in the season. We aggressively
and thoroughly, you know, examined every one of those cases.
In some cases, you know, federal law enforcement officials trying
to get to the you know, uh a better understanding
of what this was, and we could find no credible evidence,

(49:07):
not at all. There were over forty claims of SAPs
and caps where people witnesses came forward and said that
their government or their government's contractors had programs being concealed
from oversight where we recovered, reverse engineered, you know, any

(49:29):
in tech. We could not find any truth in those claims. Now,
did we find programs where your government recovered foreign technology? Absolutely,
we did. We have those programs. You know, I helped
manage and develop some of those initiatives when I was

(49:51):
at the O, D and I. But in every case,
these were legitimate government programs that were brief to Congress. Congress,
and the Gang of Eight. We're aware of them. There
was nothing that we were able to discover that Congress

(50:11):
hadn't already been briefed on. And we worked in very
very close cooperation with both the Department of Defense and
the ig IGS. We worked with virtually every government R
and D and S and T organization that is funded.
We worked with many COVID operations, you know, people that

(50:39):
were doing things that we didn't want to attribute it
to the us or in places we didn't want to
be found out. We know them, We were given access,
we were read onto their programs, we were able to
inspect their facilities. We could not find any evidence support

(50:59):
these claims that we had recovered first engineer. We're testing
technology that was off world now.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
But I'm frustrated on this, Tim. Okay, I've watched this
circus with Congress, you know, with all these people saying
I know somebody or I seen you know, back engineered craft.
Why haven't they been prosecuted for lying to Congress.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
We're gonna have to ask the elected officials in apartments
just about that. We investigated those claims early. We actually
had a number of Congressional delegations when people made claims
about the things being hit and these tunnels or dislocation,
where we actually flew to those sites, met with a

(51:48):
facility of the base commanders or Soviet managers, and we
were able to do an on site, you know search
to try to validate these claims. We did that multiple times.
We have been to virtually every spooky, you know, uh
secure test site that our nation has and maybe something

(52:12):
you're not even aware of, and we could not find
any evidence of off world technologies you know, being exploited,
you know, are being recovered. Now we did have when
ER was established, we had you know, organizations. Oh my god,
I'm glad you're here. Here's our UFO crash parts. You know,

(52:34):
it's been on this in its warehouse for fifty years. Matures.
We have spent millions of dollars going back and doing
trying to understand the materials, you know, material analysis of
these materials. Were they created by men? And were they
you know, a product of this solar system and every

(52:55):
piece of equipment that we tested, despite the claims of
the owner, something we were able with very very high science,
peer reviewed scientific you know, high confidence that those materials
were invented and produced by men, by human beings. We
were able to do that. We found nothing that could

(53:20):
not be explained by science or did not come from
the solar system.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
Yeah, but how about NASA. I heard that NASA supposedly
has a back engineered UFO.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Have you heard about work as I had that?

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
What they have that you what they call it UAP
whether not roundtable? They had they had a Oh. I
would say there's about a dozen highly esteemed A scientists
from across all disciplines got together and looked at the
evidence and we could find you know, the findings where there's, yeah,

(53:58):
there's things we don't quite understan, but there's nothing that
there's no evidence that these events or things are from
another world. We just could not find that. And you know,
but TIL and NASA. One of the things that we
really wanted to do with NASA, and as we went

(54:19):
through the transition of the new administration and new administrators,
we wanted to have like a public science challenge. You know,
NASA is real famous on doing that, and we wanted
to do that. We wanted to get a non sensitive
UAP case where we had hard evidence for and actually
give the materials to the public and say, can you

(54:43):
help us understand this? I always thought collectively with writers
working together, I wanted to do you know, crowdsourcing on
some of the analysis. Take nonsensitive information and data and
give it to other people for them to examine, maybe
get a third and fourth opinion what they thought it was.

(55:07):
I think we would gain some insights there. There are
many obvacy groups that we started to work with and
recognize that actually did good peer review science. I remember
we reviewed a couple of PhD dissertations. The work was outstanding.
The work was the equivalent of something that was come

(55:29):
out of the National Intelligence Council. We saw some really
really good scholarly work on the UAP topic, and we
want to partner more with them. You know, we want
to partner, you know, with groups that are trying to
remove the stigma of UAP reporting. We want to get
our network. We want state, local, tribal to be reporting

(55:52):
to the federal government raw UAP. We would love to
partner with the state fusion centers. You know, they've got
that's something they don't understand. We've we've got an ominly
flying over the mountsair and Phoenix, and we've got five
thousand people have reported. What is it that wouldn't it
be great in near real time with a crowd sourcing

(56:14):
that when there's an incident, it could get reported and
we could be able to get capability on the ground
quickly to understand it. I just think there's a there's
a lot of promise working together and taking the UAP
investigation stuff out of the shadows.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
Part time is almost up dam But would Errol if
they actually found proof tomorrow that we are being visited
and actually had proof, would they would they announce it
to the public or is it going to be stuck
in a closet.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
We actually discussed this and the consensus what we would do,
working with the cabinet secretaries, that would be that would
go to the executive that would go to the White
House and say here's the evidence. And you know, I
would be well above our pay grade to announce that
because that that you know, that that would change human history.

(57:11):
And ERB will work with the government and we would
probably leave that up to the White House on how
they want to share that information. It wouldn't be coming
from the director.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
Of ERYLD interesting. But Tim, Tim, I want to thank
our time is up. I just want to thank you
so much for being on tonight. It did clear up
a lot of things. But do you really do you
feel we are being visited? That's my last question.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I actually think there are supernatural things and maybe other dimensions.
You know, I'm a Christian and I believe in supernatural things,
and I actually believe there's things that we don't understand.
I maybe we're not meant to understand, but I understand
how harsh the space environment is to you know, living

(58:03):
tissue or living things. As we know in the time
distance factor. If we're going to be visited by another
setient being, they're going to do it with robots. They're
probably not going to do it with staffed, manned aircraft.
I just don't that's not viable to me. The God's
creation is too large. You know, maybe there's technology we

(58:25):
can't even imagine. The day we start folding space, they're
going out of black holes. Maybe, but with our understanding
of what's possible, I just don't see it. I think
there could be an amazing technology or a world for
a billion years that existed and they were swallowed by
a black hole and they no longer exist. And now

(58:48):
we're out there, and you know how long Earth is
going to you know, our civilization and culture is going
to exist. It's a big place.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
When I was in the Pacific, we talked about the
tyranny of distance and we were talking ten thousand miles. Yeah,
you know, universe, it's possible. And that's one of the
things we always did when we hired people. We didn't
want skeptics and we didn't want believers. We wanted people
that would look at the evidence and make a sound

(59:17):
assessment based on analytic tradecraft and peer review sites.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
Verry interesting. Hey Tim again, I got to let you go,
but I want to thank you so much for coming
on here tonight.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Hey, thank you for having me. It's been great.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
Okay, you have a great can will you?

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Sure? Thank you?

Speaker 6 (59:36):
Okay, we'll be right back with our next guest. So
stay tune. You're listening to night Dreams.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Time man into the headlines. Have the mysterious and unexplained
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(01:00:15):
It's the talk of tik tok, the buzz of YouTube,
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losing their minds over something called the Free I Atlas.
This is NDTR breaking news. We interrupt ourselves as new
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(01:00:38):
I at Lis. Now according to this, depending on who
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(01:01:23):
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a blinking light in the sky, half the internet goes nuts.
If this really were an alien invasion, I guarantee you
they take one look at Earth and shake their heads
and say klig knock hung, which is their language for

(01:01:45):
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Don't get me wrong. If the three I Atlas is alien,
I'm not too worried. I've lost enough weight lately that
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Night Dreams Talk Radio Network. Stay tuned to your local
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If aliens actually are watching us, they're probably saying, I'm
not going to do it in that language. Again, they're
probably saying, Wow, these humans believe everything on TikTok. Maybe

(01:02:25):
we should just turn this ship around here they go,
So before you start digging that bunker, relax. The three
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Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
And we are back JC. Here's where I am really upset.
You know, I was very polite with our guests with Errol.
But here's the point. They're basically saying, UAPs UFOs blind
disc that when my wife it gets mad at me,
she froze. The saucers at me don't really exist, only

(01:04:05):
maybe a handful in recorded time of things that could
be possibly a UFO. No back engineering know nothing about this. Basically,
even astronauts you know, probably didn't see any strange things there.
What's your take on it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
Well, yeah, I mean if they're gone by actual tangible
evidence that they recovered, the yeah, there probably isn't nothing
because first of all, people aren't going to give it
up people. There's a lot of not real stuff. And honestly,
if they found some of this stuff, would they release
it or of course would they pass the buck to
the White House or whatever it may be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Like I say, yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
Think there's stuff coming here where it's come from out
of space, or it's been here from the ocean, wherever
it's from. There's definitely something coming here. But from where
and what's their purpose?

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Who knows?

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
But not as many as what you hear over on
all these podcasts or are on TikTok and stuff. Like
I said, everyday thing, I can't believe that, or I
point at the sky with my finger in a UFO
appears I don't buy that either, but you know, I
do believe that Roswell happened. I believe that we are
being visited, and I had an encounter in the mid seventies,

(01:05:19):
so I do believe. You know that things are going
on that is strange. And as you know, my late
friend Art Bell did not believe in UFOs at all.
And then back in well September twenty ninth, nineteen ninety four,
him and Ramona were coming back from Las Vegas, going

(01:05:40):
back to perumpt and they saw a black triangle, huge
just moving really slow. So that tells me we didn't
have that type of technology back in ninety four. Let's
get some information about our next guests, because I'll tell
you what I'm wound up right now.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Doctor Gregory Rogers do Aerospace medicine expert and UAP witness.
Doctor Gregory Rogers is a retired US Air Force major
and former Chief of Aerospace Medicine for the forty fifth
Space Wing at Cape Canaveral, With over forty years of
service in military and space medicine. He was trained at

(01:06:24):
NASAs Johnson Space Center and supported numerous manned and unmanned
space missions. In nineteen ninety two, while stationed at Cape Canaveral,
doctor Rogers was shown classified footage of a twenty foot
disc shaped craft marked with US Air Force insignia, hovering
silently and defying conventional aerodynamics. When he asked about its origin,

(01:06:46):
the response was chilling, We got it from them. Since retiring,
doctor Rogers has spoken publicly on UAP encounters and currently
serves on the Board of Directors for the International UFO Bureau,
lending his credibility and first hand experience to the global
conversation on unexplained aerial phenomena.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
Well, doctor, how are you doing tonight? I don't have
any audio for you. Let's see. There we go, let's
try now. Okay, I'm getting feedback.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what is going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Let's see. Did that help? No, let's see.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
Let me try something here. Can you do that? Okay,
we're getting feedback. I'll tell you what I'm gonna pay. Yeah,
I hear you, but it's like a double hearing you. Boy.
I'm gonna hang out up on you and I'm going
to send you a new link and we'll try that.

(01:08:05):
So I'm going to send you a new link.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I'm sorry I say that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
I think I'm going to send you a new link
to your email and we're going to try redoing this again.
So let's do that. We'll be right back. This is
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Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
And we're back JC. You might get a whole try
get a hold of him and because he wasn't hearing
me and tell him that I send him a new
link and we'll have to try that. Okay, well do okay.
You know my concern is here with Errol. I mean,
I really respect him and what they're trying to do,
but again, something isn't kosher. There on the fishing boat.

(01:09:51):
Because here's my concern is that, let's be honest with you,
they're saying basically that you A don't really exist. They
have no proof of it. Now we got I think
we got him back. Are you there?

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Okay? I hope, so yeah, you're there? So okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Well, I want to thank Mandy top Past and Terry
Linda Kiel for having me as one of the board
members for the International UFO Bureau. But I have also
been added to the IMEX network in Mexico City. Doctor
fred Federico Vidal has made me a senior member there

(01:10:35):
and so I'm on their advisor committee. So I'd like
to say thank you for that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
Well, you know, again, thank you for sharing that information.
When you were at NASA. Did any of the astronauts
they were talking to you about UAPs. I'm not going
to say UAP anymore tonight UFOs. Did they have any encounters?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
Were they off world type of craft or did they
think it maybe could have been on world craft?

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
It was not what we made.

Speaker 10 (01:11:08):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Let me mention things from a non bureaucratic standpoint. When
I was flying F sixteen's it was a twelve g
or a better airframe because of how strong the aircraft
was built. The problem was the humans were the weak link,

(01:11:32):
so we had limiters to nine gs. The aircraft would
not let us go beyond nine g's because we humans
couldn't take it. In fact, even at seven and eight g's,
you didn't want to do that for very long. So
let me talk about the G factors do for a minute.

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You know, I had a Blackhawk in my unit crash,
and when we did the investigation, thankfully God was looking
out for the crew. But all three crew members survived
in damage form. But when we got through with the
accident investigation, we estimated that the Blackhawk impacted that twenty

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two g's, which is barely survivable. Let me point out
something else. When you have a main battle tank and
you're wanting to destroy another main battle tank, and so
these are the the most armored vehicles ever made. Well,

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we can fire a sabbo round that has a little
boot on each side, but the actual weapon itself is
only barely an inch wide, made of materials like depleted uranium. Now,

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then this was fired at a very high rate of
speed seventeen hundred meters per second. So if there's a
tank one point seven kilometers away. When our tank fires
this SABO round, the inner core, the dart is going

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to impact that tank in one second. Now, then when
that depleted uranium round or it could be tungsten, but
when that SABO round hits that tank, it's going to
be traveling so fast that it's going to hit with
thirty g's of force, it will absolutely destroy that vehicle.

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It will destroy any vehicle that we make. We do
not have a tank that can survive being hit by
a sabbo around at thirty g's. Now, then, when we
think about reports of UAPs that are doing extraordinary things,

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they turn very fast, and they may exceed one hundred g's,
they may exceed three hundred g's, they may exceed five
hundred g's. We have times that we calculate that they
have propped, that their vehicle has exceeded one thousand g's. Now,

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then we may not be able to say we know
that this craft is from X.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
But we know one thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
If it is maneuvering greater than one hundred g's, five
hundred g's, one thousand g's, that is not our aircraft. Well,
I got ask spacecraft. So it automatically is not human made.
But no matter what explanation anybody comes up, that was
not a human vehicle that we just watched.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Yeah, but Roger, here's the thing too. If it was
biological matter in these craft that they're making these maneuvers
at all these high gs, wouldn't it if they were
occupants sent inside, wouldn't they be liquefied.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Unless they are using physics we don't know about.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
And if they are doing these things, they are using
physics we don't know about. Let me give you another example.
I flew T thirty eight supersonic trainers in the F sixteens.
We launched the Space Shuttle, we launched unmanned missiles. No
matter what vehicle we have, whether it's aircraft, spacecraft, it

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doesn't matter. When we break the speed of mock, it
produces a sonic boom. It is impossible for us to
break the sound barrier without producing a sonic boom. These
vehicles can accelerate from stationary to thousands of miles an hour,

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and guess what they do not produce sonic booms. They
are using entirely different kinds of physics than what we use.
So you know, are we going to have evidence of
a craft that just did something using advanced technology and

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physics that we cannot in any way comprehend.

Speaker 10 (01:16:44):
No, So.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
If we're wanting to say we have to have absolute
proof before we're going to admit to anything, then what
that means is we're going to see the things, but
we're not going to admit to it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
Well, that's I think, you know. I hate to say it,
and I said it so many times. I think we're
being whitewashed with the Congress. I think no offense to Eryl.
I think they're trying to do something, but they're trying
to It's like Project blue Book. And I confronted him
about that and he said, it's not anywhere like it. Yes,

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we have computers now, they didn't have computers like we
have now we have AI. But again, I don't think
they would tell us the truth anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
They have better graphics than Project blue Book, but the
overall intent is the same. When we go back, you know,
they're trying to say, Okay, they're what we're seeing today
is advanced technology. There are some of the things that

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we're doing that are advanced technology.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
I was working with the Space Shuttle before nineteen seventy two.
That was science fiction. There was no such thing, but
we built it and it became science fact. Well, when
we are looking in the past, if you look back

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to the Incas and the Mayans and the Vedic texts
of India, these people were seen the same kind of
things that we are seeing now. In the Vedic texts,
one of the things that I found very interesting was
that there's a report of an arrow that once it

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was fired, it would track its target and destroy it. Now, then,
having flown f sixteens, my first thought is, okay, that's
an air to air missile. Now then we believe in
air to air missiles because we make them and we
watch them. But those people in those ancient times were

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seeing exactly the same thing. They were telling us how
they were functioning. They drew pictures, they wrote books, and
there was no way human technology was doing it back then.
So I think it is arrogant for us to say,

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our current scientists are going to go back two three
hundred years ago and tell the people who said that
they saw this that their liars, they're mistaken. They don't
know what they're talking about. They built all kinds of
amazing things they kept track of their crops. They wrote

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epics like the Epic of Gilgamesh. Back then they were
writing stories. But they said, this is what we saw
and here's a picture of it. And now we are saying, no,
you people were all wrong. If we look at the
Nazi in America and they were talking about the star

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people who came down, and they drew pictures of star
people and they have passed this down for hundreds of years,
are we going to say.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
That every one of them was a liar, They were mistaken.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
Well, Roger, even though they saw these craft, we can
now tell them, no, you didn't see the craft.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
The craft did not do what you described, Rogers, they did.

Speaker 6 (01:20:34):
But you have to realize this that if you go
back to even Biblical times, you know they have found
in caves drawing of craft on cave walls. You look
at the Great Pyramids, you look at the pyramids all
around the Incas, the Mayas, all around the world. How
did they have the technology? They didn't have internet to communicate. Well, hey,

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you know this is the diagram and schematics to build
a pyramid. I mean a lot of this stuff doesn't
make sense. And why did a certain human races like
put value on gold as precious, not zinc, not copper,
not pewter, but gold. It tells me that we were

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visited at one point, and that's is how we our
similation started. And to come out and say that you know,
we're not being visited. We don't have no proof of
any of this stuff. It's all hearsay is really frustrating.
Now again, like I've told you when we had some

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talks off the air, this has gone rampant uphology. I've
never seen it in fifty years, so bizarre as it's
going right now, all these fake claims as real. I mean,
it's coming out of the woodwork.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
And how do we separate this Roger Well, when we
have guys like Ryan Graves, Dave Fravor, they set there
mark one eyeballs on these vehicles and they watched them.
Now their aircraft were able to record them videographically. We

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have radars that can tell us how fast they were traveling,
and they were traveling faster than any human made craft can.
And for us to continue to say, don't believe any
of this stuff, only believe what we tell you, I

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find very disturbing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
We know what is there, We know what has been there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
My father in law saw food fighters when he was
flying B seventeen's over Germany, and now they say, oh,
well that wasn't really there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
No, he saw them.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
All of our people saw these things and we could
not describe them, and they were behaving in fashions that
we do not have technology to match at that time,
and we would hardly have technology to match it now.
These people were not lying. The evidence is there. We

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know the evidence is there.

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
You know, I keep telling people, you know, we are
past the point of saying you APIs are real. We
have plenty of evidence that u APIs are reel.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
Harold says it. Basically, they it's not real.

Speaker 11 (01:23:50):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
I hate to say it, but if the government hires
people to say it's not real, they're going to say
it's not real.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
There were people.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Before we even had airplanes that were describing flying craft
five hundred years ago. You know, in the city of Nuremberg,
there's a famous broadsheet that was made where they were
showing aircraft flying and fighting in the sky. And now

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we're going to go back five hundred years later and say, no,
you guys were lying. You didn't see what you saw
You were mistaken, you were all drunk. No, these people
reported this, they drew pictures of it, and that was
long before we had any human technology that could match

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any of that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
So how can we say all of that is fake?
I don't believe we can.

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
Well, then, also, it tells me that the astronauts and
the astronauts on the space station and all the you know,
going even to the Moon, they all lied because they
didn't see any craft. That's the whole point. I mean,
what is the purpose of them coming out in saying

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that these things basically are exaggerated.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
The government has reasons to keep secrets. Many of the
secrets are kept for very good reasons. But once the
government gets used to lyne, if there's something that is uncomfortable,
you just keep lying about it. You know, they have
made this statement there is no credible evidence of reverse

(01:25:49):
engineered UAP. Well, that can hold a lot of credence
when you're writing white papers in the Pentagon, except that
I saw one.

Speaker 6 (01:26:03):
Yeah you did, And I want you right now, wait
a minute. I want you to describe to the new
listeners out there, what did you see, what did it
look like, what did it do?

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
It was approximately twenty feet in length. It had a
pearly white surface. It looked sort of like a modified egg,
and egg is sort of oblong. If you smoothed it
out to where the length is equal in all directions,

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that's sort of what it looked like. It had no ribbits,
it had no scenes, It had no flight control services,
no pedo tubes. The only way I could really give
a description of the positioning of the aircraft spacecraft itself

(01:27:01):
was because there were four horizontal rectangles from the twelve
thirty to two thirty position to three thirty to five
thirty position, the six thirty to eight thirty position, and
the nine thirty to eleven thirty position. On the upper
half of the craft, there were vertical black rectangles at

(01:27:24):
the three o'clock, six o'clock and twelve o'clock position. Without
these black markings, the surface was so smooth. When it
started to move, I probably would not have been able
to see it. But that's why on test vehicles you
put markings so that you can make sure that you're

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checking all of the motion of your test vehicle. And
I felt this was reverse engineered UAP. Now, then as
it rotated I noticed that at what I called the
twelve o'clock position. It said US Air Force, and just
above that there was a US flight INSIGNI in And

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so this lifted off the ground in a very smooth manner.
It then rotated three hundred and sixty degrees clockwise. It paused,
it rotated three hundred and sixty degrees counterclockwise. It moved
left and right, forward and back, and so it's just
like you're testing the control mechanism. At the very top

(01:28:36):
there was a small dome with a mast on it,
and the mast was attached to three umbilicals. I would
assume one of them billicals was probably electrical power, and
I don't know what the other two were, but it's
probably control mechanisms. Well, as I kept watching this thing,

(01:28:58):
it moved to a forty five degree position and remained
completely stationary. Now I got my solo certificate in helicopters,
and I flew H one Cobra's fifty eight scouts.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
I flew uh one Cobra's, I mean uh one Huey's.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
I love Hughes. It's my favorite aircraft. But I also
blew T thirty seven Jet Trainers, T thirty eight supersonic
jet trainers and also F six teams, so I know aerodynamics,
I know flight characteristics. I supported the Space Shuttle. I

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supported the Titan, Delta and Atlas launch Unmann launch vehicles
from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station because I was a
major in the Air Force, trained by NASA, but I
was the chief of Aerospace Medicine, and so I saw

(01:30:01):
this vehicle while I was at work on Cape Canaveral
Air Force Station. So when people say there's no evidence
of anything like that, well there may be no evidence
that you have seen, but I watched it, so.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
You know, I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
When people are saying they have no evidence, well you know,
I have no evidence. I could not take an iPhone
in there. We didn't have iPhones, but it was this
secure facility. I had a pager, but I had to
leave it outside in my car because I could not
take any electronic equipment into.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
That facility.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
So there was no way that I could have created
any type of evidence that I could have taken with
me out of that facility. I would have been breaking
the rules of Cape Canaveral and security because you couldn't
even take a picture on Cape Canaveral unless you had

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clearance to do so.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
Okay, hey Roger, Roger, let's take like one or two
phone calls. So let me do this real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
Our call in line is now open. The number is
one two five three two six zero fifty seven thirteen.
That's one two five three two six zero fifty seven thirteen.

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
Okay. If you want to call in and talk to
our guests and ask them a question or two, and
now's the time to do it. But here's the I'm frustrated.
We're never going to get the truth, not from the
government because I don't know if they're scared that if
they come twofoone now about UAPs or UFOs or crash
retrievals are back engineering, then people are going to, like

(01:31:59):
I said so many times in the show, they're going
to come back and they're not going to trust the
government at all on anything because again, I feel we've
been lied to. You do you feel do you feel
Roswell happened?

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
I think that something happened at Roswell, and I think
it was probably as described. But you know, I want
to point out something else. There are economic factors involved here.
If we discover a technology that is absolutely superior to

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what everybody else on Earth has, and it comes from
a source like this, the US government is in serious
trouble because who do you give it to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
If you give it to this.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
Contractor, they make billions of dollars, every other contractor is
going to sue the government because they weren't included. So
within the military industrial complex, there are lots of issues.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
That come down to dollars and power.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
You can't just make everything black and white, because you know,
even looking at flying in space, people think flying in
space is easy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Flying in space is very difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
We have to overcome all kinds of difficulties that most
people never even conceive of.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
So everything is difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
But when you start talking about you're going to develop
a technology that can make trillions of dollars, are you
going to share it equally between every contractor? Are you
going to give part of it to one contractor part
of it to another contractor. There's a lot of issues

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to this that most people do not think about. But
anytime you're dealing with the military, the government, and contractors,
you're dealing with many and there are monetary issues and
control of monetary issues that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Are beyond most people's comprehension.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
So that is a complex issue that there would be
no easy answers once you developed a trillion dollar technology.

Speaker 6 (01:34:36):
Yeah. Interesting, We got a caller. Let's take who do
we have out there? This is Tom by Tom. How
are you doing tonight?

Speaker 11 (01:34:44):
I'm doing well, sir. The question for you, doctor is
a number one. I've been listening to what you have
to say, and as someone.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Who knows that.

Speaker 11 (01:34:57):
When you basically have a technology here that's been here
for over one hundred years that's based on crude oil
and petroleum natural gas, and you may or may not,
the government may or may not have technology two that

(01:35:17):
surpasses that. Zero point energy has talked has talked about
a lot. But you make a really good point, and
that is, when you're talking about billions or trillions of dollars,
they're not easily going to give that up. And I
really appreciate your take on that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
I can assure you, working with NASA everything that we did.
When you're looking at contractors and contractor consortiums, let me
give you an example. This one time they'd left an
I being in the rear compartment of Atlantis, and as

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they moved Atlantis out of the orbiter processing facility and
into the vehicle assembly building and they raised it up
to try to mate it to the external tank and
the solid rock of boosters. This loose I beam fell,
damaging things on the way down. So you know, the

(01:36:29):
funny thing is NASA wasn't going to admit what it was,
so they said, this was a vibroacoustic anomaly, So we're
going to take it back to the orbiter processing facility
to assess us it was a vibro acoustic anomaly because
an eight foot I beam that had not been removed
fell and hit things on the way down, so it

(01:36:52):
caused vibrations and it caused noise. But when they got
it back and put it in there and discovered what
it was, there was all kinds of sort of tricks
done because they didn't want to blame it on a
specific contractor because then that contractor would end up having

(01:37:16):
to lose a whole big bunch of money, so they
did some sort of things. They ended up fixing it.
It launched later safely. But what was going on behind
the scenes within the contracting office between the different contractors
who were saying, no, it's not our fault, it's their fault.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
As the NASA managers were fighting this out, to my knowledge,
they ended up saying nobody used to blame and nobody
paid a fine for it.

Speaker 11 (01:37:54):
Okay, very do I have permission to make ask one
more questions?

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:37:59):
Go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:38:01):
Okay, doctor, do you believe that we now actually have
zero point energy of some sort? And because of the
bureaucracy involved in the technocracy that's involved, we're not about
your release.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
I do not believe we have zero point energy. I
would love to say that we do, but that's not
something you're going to hide. Whoever discovers that is going
to get a Nobel prize.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
You're not going to hide that. Someone's going to step
up and take credit.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
And then once you do that, you're going to be
fighting over all of the profits that will be generated.
So nobody's going to hide the fact that we actually
discovered zero point energy.

Speaker 6 (01:38:52):
Good answer, Roger. We got another color. Who do we
have either?

Speaker 10 (01:38:57):
This is Ac Hi Gary, and hi Doctor Rogers. So great,
great show, great show tonight. I got a question. You know,
there's so many things as I'm listening to you guys,
especially doctor Rogers on gear back in the Vedas and
all those things. A craft that I've seen was the
like a cone shape the fourteenth century painting where it's

(01:39:21):
got the spikes on it there's a little man inside.
And about twelve years ago today there was one like that,
but you know, in a different shape.

Speaker 11 (01:39:30):
But about the size of half of a school bus.

Speaker 10 (01:39:32):
It popped out. I'm over in Orange County where it
popped out towards Catalina area where I was coming over
a hill and it had As soon as it popped out,
my friend passed out next to me while I'm watching
this thing. But it was like a cone shape. It
had three spikes on the on the roundish part up
at the top and three spikes at the bottom. But

(01:39:54):
it was all white and when it disappeared, he woke up.
But this is something that asated when I saw those
History Channel things where you see uh back where they
show pains in.

Speaker 11 (01:40:06):
The in the biblical books.

Speaker 10 (01:40:07):
But again and orbs, if you know what I can
understand about what you're saying that the last color like,
there's no orbs. Uh these things that are moving in
making turns or speed across the sky at high speeds.
I don't believe that there are, but I believe we
have uh, you know, drones, but I don't think, uh,

(01:40:30):
they're there they can do that kind of maneuvering. And
my my one question, I like to get what I've
seen so many in every of the UFO issues I've
once I made eye contact, I felt that they had
recognized and then made them maneuver still disappear in different ways,
but reacted to complete eye contact. I like to get

(01:40:53):
your opinion on. You know, when you somebody like myself,
I see something and it contactly stops right in mid
air or makes a maneuver because of my contact with it.
I mean, it's hard to explain, but there's just seems
that that's been familiar with every craft that I've seen.

(01:41:15):
I wouldn't get your opinion on that one. That's is
there a contact? Are they understanding our minds? Can we
try to figure that there's a communication with us?

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Well, I believe in God, and so I go back
to the Bible.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Elijah was walking along with Elishah, and Elishah had been
told by the sense of the prophet. Don't you know
today is when your master is going to heaven?

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
Well, guess what a vehicle came down? Yeah, it was
in clouds. They called it a.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
Blazing, fiery chariot. Well, the fastest thing they knew was
a chariot, So they didn't have a term for rockets.
They didn't have a term. You know, they would not
know what a space shuttle was. But it came down,
interacted with Elijah and took him out. You know, when

(01:42:19):
you go back to Numbers chapter six, it said that
the sons of God were coming down unto the daughters
of men, and they were having sexual activity, and they
were breeding.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Hybrids.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Now that when we hear about abductions and they say
that they are breeding hybrids, and people say, no, that
could never happen, Well it happened in Genesis chapter six.
So you know, are you not going to believe the Bible.
Are you going to say all of those people back

(01:43:01):
then who said these things were liars, they were mistaken,
none of that was true. Well if it was true
back then, why would it not be true now? So
when we're seeing the same kind of events, it's because
the same things are happening.

Speaker 10 (01:43:23):
One last question, what do you feel that they're doing
In my case, what they're.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Doing when they do come around me, I mean low.

Speaker 10 (01:43:30):
Levels feet away, and I just get the reaction of awe,
you know, and look at it. But it's just like
they're staring at me. Either you could feel it, you
could just feel a connection, but they're shy or are
they just saying, oh, I got caught. They completely stop
and then they either disappear right there or they do
a quick maneuver and move away real quick. I felt

(01:43:53):
there's something there, but I you know, and I'm a
believer in God, and I just don't know why I
get the attention. I told father about that. If I'm
a Catholic church. He says, well, you've got a lot
of energy they sent you. But it just seems to
be that there is a reaction. I can know what
you feel about that. When I contacted with them, on
my eye contact with them, that I would get a

(01:44:14):
reaction from them. You could feel it inside that, Oh
I got hot. This person's looking at me from instant sight.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Well, if you look at the story of Sodom and Gamara,
angels went into the city and unfortunately the people in
there wanted to interact with them in a very bad way,
and so they had to take action against the people
of that city. If those things were happening then, and

(01:44:47):
these are the same kind of beings that God has created.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
It's still going on.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
Good answer. You know, our time is almost up. Is
there any one thing you want to say to you know?
We got you got about five minutes. Whatever you want
to share tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:45:08):
Ancient people were not stupid. When you look at all
of the kinds of technologies they developed. They were smart people.
So when they wrote stories and they made paintings of
what they saw, we should believe them because, uh, they

(01:45:28):
were as smart as we are, they just didn't have
the same.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
Kind of technology.

Speaker 5 (01:45:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
Yeah, I'm going to mention my book real quick, but
I mentioned this kind of stuff in the book I
wrote we got it from them? And the reason I
called it we got it from them is because when
the guy showed me the saucer, I said, who would

(01:45:57):
make something like that? And he said, we got it
from them. So he was telling me we got it
from people who were not of this planet. So when
I wrote my book, I figured, you can't come up
with a better name than that. So that's why I
chose the name of my book, We got up from

(01:46:17):
them and.

Speaker 6 (01:46:19):
We have too. That is so true and you also
are now writing a blog too for our website Weekly too,
so I want to thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
I wanted to start off with the space weather because
people don't understand how dependent we are on our satellites,
on our communications, and even a minor solar flare can
cause all kinds of difficult things. But I won't go
into it, but there was a thing called the Carrington

(01:46:49):
event back in I believe it was eighteen fifty nine,
and it destroyed telegraphs, and it sent electrical shocks to people,
and it did all sorts of things. The technology was
very primitive in eighteen fifty nine compared to us. If
the Carrington event was to happen in our generation, it

(01:47:15):
could set the entire world back years.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
If not decades.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
And so it's a good thing that NASA, the European
Space Agency, are paying attention to space weather to.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Give us clues.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
There are times that if we see that there's a
solar flare, some of our satellites will go into protective
measures so that they don't fry all their circuitry. But
most people don't think about this. But it's a good
thing that NASA and our scientists are looking at the

(01:47:56):
space weather usually with the degree of technology. So that's
why I chose that as my first blog to WRECTE.

Speaker 6 (01:48:05):
And you know, I'm really glad you did that. But
you know a lot of people won't realize if we
had a big solar flare, it would take out our
grid system. Okay, that means your cell phone isn't going
to work, You're not going to go on the internet.
Your car probably isn't going to start because the cars
now are all computerized and electronics. If you have a
fifty seven ethole, you'll probably start, okay, But here's the problem. Now, no,

(01:48:29):
and it wouldn't even that. Okay, well, then I'll get
rid of my fifty seven etsole has been sitting here.
But here's the thing. How long would society take before
it starts breaking down? That's the scary part. It would
totally depend upon the severity. A solar flare's not going
to do that. What would really do it would be

(01:48:50):
a coronal mass ejection of CME. And so I mentioned
that in my blog, and.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
You know, I you know, when when people think about,
you know, what could destroy the world, man, a CMME
would do it. And there are protections that we need
to make. But there's only certain kinds of things that
we can do to protect our planet from what the
Sun can do. And we can be very thankful that

(01:49:22):
we have a magnetosphere to protect us from all the
ionizing radiation that the Sun sends at us every single day.

Speaker 6 (01:49:32):
That's scary too. Last thing, your take on again, it's
going really crazy right now on the three I Atlas.
It's really crazy out there. I don't even know what
to believe.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
No, I'm just going to stick with the chemistry. The
nickel alloys that we're seen with the presence of no
iron whatsoever. Tells me that that looks like a manufacturer craft.

Speaker 6 (01:50:02):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Hey, I want to think when we make our satellites,
that's what we do.

Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
Yeah. I want to thank you so much for coming
on tonight. I gotta let you go. We got to
wrap up the show, okay, and I'll be talking to
you probably later next week. Sure, okay, okay, you take
care of my friend. Sure well, JC, we got some
great shows coming up. Who do we have besides next
week got actor Thomas Jane, you know, The Punisher, The

(01:50:33):
Deep Blue Sea and so much more. And then we
also have Ron Fitzgerald who's done a lot of vampire
type movies and he's a magician and I've been still
trying to talk him into putting you in a coffin
and setting it on fire, but you won't do it.
But who else do we have coming up?

Speaker 7 (01:50:50):
Well, the Thursday of next week we have Joe Clifford
coming on talking about shadow people, and then of course
we have Thomas Jane and Ron. But then the following
week we have Samuel Chung coming back on talking about
some UFO related things that's going on in today's world.
And then November seventh, Friday, we have Mark D'Antonio coming

(01:51:12):
back on. He hasn't been on in a while. He's
going about, well, he's going to talk about maybe three
IAT lists, usos, all kinds of stuff because he does
analyze a lot of UFO videos and pictures and he's
researched a lot of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Plus he's a scientist.

Speaker 6 (01:51:27):
Yeah, and then we have stan Dale coming back, which
hasn't been on. He hasn't been on for a couple
of years, and he's going to be talking about the sun,
isn't he he is is?

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:51:37):
Stan Dale will be on in early the mid December
talking about what's going on with the sun because listener's
a lot going on. He has researched that topic for
many years, so he's got some new updates. Oh yeah,
so we got some great shows coming up, don't we.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
We do, we do, and that's just some of them.
So yeah, you want to stay tuned for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:51:56):
Yeah, and please give us a comment on the show
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a good one, boy dode I got a bunch of

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work tomorrow taking care of the horses and the coat,
So everybody have a good one. We'll catch you on
the other side.

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