Ep. 16 - Cuomo resigns, Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown, Marriage for money

Cuomo resigns, Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown, Marriage for money

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Alex Harper, How you doing,bro man, doing good? Man,
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said, I think we're just gonnaget right into it hard. We ain't
gonna waste no time on episode sixteen, aren't we not at all? Man?

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Let's go all right, okay,whoa whoa, whoa whoa, Oh
get you get it off. Mybad Australia. You gotta get it off.
You gotta get it off, isn'tit crazy? I think we and
the James Baldwin mode where we kindof getting more love internationally than we're getting
h domestically, and we gotta workon that. So let me shout out

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America as well. Maybe that maybethat would get us some more listeners or
some more likes within the domestic UnitedStates. I think that's real important.
Anyway. Segment one of the noneother political podcasts, and we have a
great serving of comeback sauce uh,and comeback sauce as means that we get
to recall a previous episode. Wehad previously covered Governor Como and his uh

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how you say it virtue signaling awardsthat happened during COVID nineteen and some of
the missteps he was taking. Uh. My co host just alerted me that
the story we're about to talk aboutnow happened on the day after we recorded
our first segment about Governor Como.For those of you who are not aware,
Governor Como is accused of sexually harassingbetween seven and nine women uh during

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his governorship of New York. UH. He made many apologies while he tried
to resign or set his resignation earlierthis week, he apologized to his daughter,
He apologized to his family, thepeople of New York. But he
also played a very interesting clip ofhim essentially saying that I hug and kiss

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everyone. You know you're doing you'renot doing him justice. First him,
Mike, get him right, gethim mercy guard. He showed up and
said, I ain't did nothing wrong. He walked right up and said he
did say that. He didn't saythat. I don't. I don't think
I did nothing wrong. But ify'all say so, but real quick,
let me show y'all right here,and he started breaking it down like NFL

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films on see right here, SeeI did the same thing right here.
But y'all ain't see that, right, okay, right, let me give
you another one. Let me giveyou another one. And he really went
walked it down. It was crazy. But your man, but your man
said that he did a great job. Your your man, Sleepy Joe said
he did a great job. Hesaid he did a great right napping during

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he was well, he into thesame type of thing. So he he
was like, oh uh so toyour point, Harper, His quote is
I do hug and kiss people casually, women and men. I have done
it all my life and it's whoI've been since I can't remember. So

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as a consultant for campaigns or orjust somebody who's looking into the best interests
of their candidates. I don't thinkthat's a quote. I'm having my candidates
say, you know, that wasThat was? That was both of them
for real, just to be like, hey, just tell him this is
going up there and talk how youfeel, just speak from the heart,

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you know. And he walked upand said something crazy to him. So
so why didn't do why didn't dohim like they did Bill and everybody else?
Why why didin't Why did cancel Carturedidn't go all crazy on him if
like they did everybody else with allthese type of accusations. But well,
you know, I will say,and I don't throw bones to the other
side of the aisle too often,But um, I think that they knew

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that this was too egregious not tocome out and ask for his resignation.
So there was bipartisan support for hisresignation. Um, but I think that's
why it was right. It waslike this one was too in our face
not to say, hey, thisguy did wrong. I will say,
though, I don't feel the samevitriol uh for our former president uh number

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forty five as we're having for Como. I think they're just kind of letting
Como go away with this. Youknow, he's resigning, it's not a
big deal. Nobody's protesting. That'sand that's what I mean. Yeah,
that's yeah's with the pink vagina hatsand and and um and the church that
say grab me here if you wantto or all that. Yeah, why

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why is the energy different? Becausenow now you're looking at him a situation
where and in essence, forty fivereally just kind of let it go like
like he see, he acknowledged thathe said it, but he really didn't
make a defense in this case.Not only did he make a defense of
his actions, he said it likey'all tripping. But I'm gonna go ahead
and step aside because insalted injury,right, insalted. The brashness and audacity

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of the way in which he quoteunquote accept the responsibility. Lets you know
that he doesn't feel any remorse foranything that he's doing. Just embarrassment.
Let me throw it at you.What if one a black man went through
this same thing? And then too, what if a conservative went through the
same thing, Because I feel likethe reaction would have been the same.

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All right, first go ahead,No, I feel like the reaction for
if it was a conservative doing thisor if it was an African American man
doing this. I think about whatKobe went through. Um, you know,
I feel like the vitriol and andand it wouldn't have been a page
six news story, which I feellike this whole Como thing was a page

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sixth thing. But here's how Ifeel about the whole situation because remember or
the original story we did on Comowas was about him hiding bodies in the
nursing home, right right, rightright, So I don't think a black
man gets past that. I don'teven think he gets past that scandal.
That's a good point. You're sendingpeople all to die kind of like cattle

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in the one place, because Imean, I was gonna use nage.
I'm not gonna use it though,But it isn't that yeah yeah, yeah,
it's because you know, if Istopped myself that that was gonna so
um, but it's in essence,I don't feel like we don't bounce back
from scandals like those, and andhe bounced back from a while because even

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the initial allegations came out months ago. It's just it got to a point
where now it's like, okay,man, you gotta go ahead and step
down. But the initial allegations cameout a while ago. And I don't
I wonder who told Joe that hehad to say something about this, because
they you you you could, becauseat first, I believe the first comment
Joe made with something along the linesof like we need all the facts,

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we need all No, it waswe need all the facts was first,
and then it was more or lesslike como should just go ahead and follow
the party lines like when. Ithink that was when the first they kind
of starting to ask him to stepdown. I think that was the first
comment I know that he made publicly. And then after that, after the
step down, then his true feelingscame out, like, man, he
was a good guy. I'm paraphrasing, but he did a good job.

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Who was a good guy. Butamidst allegations like this, normally you wouldn't
even he'd be a leper. Youwouldn't even mention him. But all of
a sudden, it's like we're stilltrying to make sure we maintain his reputation
even amidst sexual allegations. And that'swhy I said, is the energy is
different. But as far as theblack man, black man doesn't make it
past the bodies in the nursing home. You know what's interesting about that is

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that protecting individuals legacy or who theyare. I don't feel like the cancel
culture, the internet culture, orthe social media culture, the twitters fear
does that for black men or conservatives, because you know, I'll never compare
anything to be an African American inthis country. But in this case,

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I think it's fair to do becausethey would have You're right, they would
have cast him out at that point, but because he was one of the
good ones quote unquote, they protectedhim. They made it. They made
this again, a page six newsstory instead of a page one story.
Um, but I hearken this too. You know, we talk about we're

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not allowed to say R. Kelly'sname in the black community anymore. It's
not okay at the who not who? Who can? Who can? I'm
ignoring Harper. We're not allowed toplay his music at weddings. Good music,
good music. We're not allowed toWe're not allowed to listen to the
original Space jam Um soundtrack. Andyou know what, I support all victims,
and I get that people should beheard, um, but can you

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imagine if they were like, youknow, we're not giving you the war
comeo because of these allegations. Nah, we're not gonna say that you were
the savior governor during COVID when therewas other governors who did just as much
as he did. They just weren'ton TV every day talking to their brother
about it. If we said,nah, we ain't gonna give you that
type of shine because you got thesethings going. I just think that we're

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living in an augmented reality where somepeople are held accountable and others. Uh.
And And you can say this howyou want, whatever color they represent,
whether it's a rainbow flag, whetherit's a blue Democrat, or whether
and when the nap show you happento be a black man in this country
and something unfortunate happens to you,We protect those people. We have to.

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You know that that seems like whatthe boiler plate is, um.
But I think this situation in particular. It's interesting because Como is really none
of those three. Well he's aDemocrat, but he's still a white man
in America. And I think ifthis was any other white man in America,
the whole conversation would been different.I mean, you think about people
like Harvey Weinstein, like how thewhole me too thing happen in the me

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too? But I don't know ifI agree with that, because even when
you look at even when you goto all the way to like the Harvey
Weinstein's and all those type of things, it really it really took for it
took a lot for them to goahead and book some of these people.
Some of these people was known predator, some of these people were were habitual
line steppers, and it took itstill took a while for them to get

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to him. But black men can'tbe in a position of um perceived power,
not even actual power, but theycan't be in a position to perceive
power and make missteps like that.You know, the perfection that has to
be exhibited. That's what I'm saying. You are you, You are listen

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because if you look at it,even you even if you go back and
just politics, even if look whatthey did to to to Kwami uh Kwammy
Brown in Detroit, not Kwamy Brown, but um Brown. Somebody fact checked
that for us. Please send usa tweet about who we're talking about at
thhe in app cast uh Kwammy Kilpatrickthe ad so um. But you see

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what they did to him and allhe did was had all he's not all
he did, because he did somemore stuff. But what what started to
sink him was inappropriate text messages withhis own mistress. And this is a
consensual this is a clear consensual relationship, and they sang him. So as
a black man, you can't.You don't have that opportunity to make those
type of mistakes. But that's that'sjust two America's one acceptable on one,

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America is not acceptable on other.And you know, this segment is definitely
about Andrew Como and who he isum and I don't like saying the privilege
wered, but you know his brotherson CNN. There's a certain amount that
comes with that. But I thinkin talking about Como, we have to

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talk also talking about if this wassomebody else and the proverbial term of if
they would have been black, AndI think that's a fair conversation to have
here, and you know, it'sit is something different to be black in
America. And I think that thisparticular case, whether you're talking about how
the media protected him, how theDemocrats delayed, what was the inevitable,

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or ultimately how this tarnishes or doesnot tarnish his legacy, it says something
about where we are in a country, where we are as a culture,
and ultimately who we want to begoing forward. So I will say,
I'm gonna have the knapcast. I'mhappy that Andrew Como was held accountable for
his actions. You know, whiteprivilege exists in some way in this country,

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and even if you only want tocast that two Democrats who come from
a certain point in life, thatis also appropriate. But what I will
say is that, at least insome instances, I believe that Governor Como
situation presents a certain amount of accountability. And I just think that it would
be good for the rest of ourcountry, no matter who it is,

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to maintain the same accountability, becauseit can't just be read or blue,
it can't just be black and white. It has to be all of us.
With that will end segment one,not another political podcast. You're in
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get your podcasts. Not another politicalpodcast. This is the nap, not
another political podcast. Segment two,You're still in a nap? Heart what's

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going on? Man? How areyou feeling after our double date with our
life co host that we had alast week? I think we had a
good time over there. Yeah,no, we did have a good time.
I would like to let the maplisteners know, though, that Colin
did leave me at the table withboth of our significant others for an extended
period of time. I had didthat. I did that. I did
that as I was sitting there negotiatingfor my life and my happiness. Um

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Colin somewhere playing darts. Yeah,yeah, yeah, you didn't give me
a signal or I did not Idid not nothing, just I'm gonna go
to the bathroom red quick and nevercame back. So I just wanted to
point that out real quick as faras that's the traumatizing experience I went through
for the rest of the evening frommy from my pregnant fiance. Let's just
make sure we make that clear.But thanks for that, Colin. I

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appreciate that. I appreciate no words, no words, And you could tweet
us about your double dates with yoursignificant other on Twitter at thhe napp cast
and as always when to sharing yourstories of love and trauma and all these
things. But speaking of trauma,you know, Harper, I went through

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a traumatic event very recently. Iwas told by the power players and some
of the people who actually draw theselines for congressional district that the eleventh Congressional
was in existence for the betterment ofblack people, right. I was told

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that this was one of our minoritymajority districts, and sadly, in this
most recent election, I found outthat wasn't true. Last episode, you
all we talked about the eleventh congressionalrace. We did not use any names,
and we'll continue that same process,but we did talk about endorsements and
money and what that meant to theultimate outcome of these elections. Now,

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what I will tell you is thatthere was a winner of the eleventh Congressional
okay, uh. That winner wasblack, was a black woman. So
the representation at least the person wesee Harper is also African American, so
that that remains true. What weultimately learned in the minority said again,

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I said that was a shot.It wasn't a shot. It wasn't a
shot. What we ultimately learned,for lots of reasons, was that the
outcome of the eleventh congressional primary wasnot decided by those of UH, particularly
African American minority and lower income,lower middle class income. The ultimate winner

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of the congressional eleventh was largely supportedby the Jewish community of Kaihau County,
who you know, had a higherturnout by the tune of ten to fifteen
percent, particularly in certain areas wherethe turnout for the entire leventh Congressional was
only about seventeen percent. In theseparticularly Jewish areas, the outcome was upward.

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The out out, what's the wordI'm looking for, the turnout now,
the turnout, The turnout was closerto thirty. What ended up happening
in this race was that the higherincome above higher above one hundred thousand dollars
ultimately decided who represented minority majority district. And if you know things about America,

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you know that doesn't necessarily represent themajority of African Americans, particularly the
candidate who ended up losing the raceone about fifty four percent of that lower
income African American community in the urbanareas. So go ahead, let me,
let me let me time in onesecond, real quick. So I
think for context, it also goesto state that the candidate, that the

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candidate that lost the race was theone that was predominantly in favor or platform
stood more so on the working classand improving the conditions of the working class.
Okay, So so I think forcontext that helps as well. And
I think that I think that ifyou're going to add that end, then

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one candidate, the one that onewas positions as being extremely pro Israel,
right, the other candidate was paintedas being anti Zionist, And that's what
the mailers that came to people's housessaid, that's what the groups that backed
either candidate ended up pushing into thenarrative. But you know, all that

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being said, Harp, I know, we talked about what endorsements, what
money really meant for candidates in theselocal races. For me, what this
race taught me was that the endorsementsto particular communities that are going to turn
out ends up meaning more than theendorsements towards communities that don't turn out.

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How would you how would you,you know, kind of diagnose that there
no absolutely and and that's why Iguess, I guess we know that all
endorsements aren't created equal. Like soa lot of times you'll see a situation
where they're like, hey, yeah, well this person has all these endorsements
that you're trying to start to lookat them and and and I'm gonna use

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these terms, but not not allin this light. But if it's like,
hey, um, dairy Mark endorsesX amount candidate for Congress, it's
like, yeah, so what I'mlike, trust intolerant? Right, So
who cares like that? Right?Right, right, right right, Like
you know what I'm saying. Butif you're speaking into that network. That

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network knows who's gonna move them.So now if you say, because just
because we're speaking about the Jewish community, but if we say this particular temple
or synagogue endorses this party particular candidate, that's different because we know that that
voter block traditionally, traditionally comes out. So that's why that endorsement is completely
different as of you gain in favorwhen I guess it's exchange for a favor

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for votes or popularity for votes.So you can get a lot of endorsements
that make you pop that makes youpopular. But if you get the right
endorsement and make it gets you votesand that and that's a great thing to
bring up. I think something wetalked about in pre production is that you
know, for African Americans in thiscountry, we bought into the political process

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but actually never paid that cause,you know, and that's why we get
a lot of lip service. That'swhy we get a lot of kneeling,
that's why we're getting a lot ofkntake costs, but we don't get a
lot of policy. And I thinkthat's where we need to start. Where
and I'll let you go, butthat's where particularly Black conservatives get a lot

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of pushback when they're like, you'reonly talking about economic issues, and my
response to that does always look,our economic issues will push our policy,
they will push our interests, andthey will make politicians have to come to
our neighborhoods. That in combination withvoting, which we'll talk about the end
of this segment. Yeah, butif you just look at and my general
philosophy is to follow the dollar whereverthe dollar lies, that's actually where most

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times the truth and logic is attoo. But the thing about it is
most of the laws that were madewere made based off economics. They were
made based off what's gonna maintain ormake more money. It's just that we
as as minorities or we're not evenminorities because the sense it just came out.

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And actually, I think the largestrace now is mixed. Race is
in a racial So I don't reallythink the minority verse non minority thing is
anything more than a buzzword getting toat this point. Yeah, yeah,
if you really look at the numbers, you know, minority is a certain
term that you would attached to certaingroups. But um, I also think

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that falls into more victim victimizing orthe victim of mentality. But the overall
view of it, honestly, isjust that we need to get to the
point of where we are not lettingother racist dictate what's or not racist.
I don't even want to say itlike that, but other groups dictate what

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happens in the black community based offof being able to mobilize and our inability
to do so. I don't disagree. And what I will say is,
you know, the candidate ended upwinning, actually did within six or seven
points better than her opponent in areaswhere the income was higher than one hundred
thousand dollars compared to three percent wherethe loser actually won. Interestingly enough,

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though in places with like Cleveland,where you know, the income is below
one hundred thousand dollars may not evenregister on some of these charts. You
know, the loser ended up drawingfifty two percent. And I think that
speaks to your point, Harper,about we need to get ourselves to the
point where we can buy that interestright like like and and people talk about

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politics and money and say it's dirty. I think anything is dirty when you
don't understand how the systems works,or you're not making it work for your
benefit and from us. It's itjust I think this race is just it's
so important to see that the newblack for lack of a better term,
it's the social economics under one hundredthousand dollars before a household or over a

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thousand dollars for a household. Right. We're a minority majority district in that
you know, the majority of thedistrict makes under thousand, one hundred thousand
dollars a year. But then youknow we're not leveraging the one thing we
do have, which is people power. Right, And that gets us to
the voter turnout question of you know, we argue voter suppression all the time.

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I would tell you in kayle HallaCounty was very easy to vote in
this special election. People could getout and numerous and I'll give some you
know, props to these legacy civilrights groups. They made it very clear
we need you to register, weneed you to vote, we need you
to register, we need you tovote. Yet and still the total turnout

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in this race was only about seventeenpercent. We know that was heavily as
we talked about, become from theoutcome, heavily dominated by these suburban Jewish,
other other groups, not minority groupsin a particular sense, and we
ended up losing. So I don'tI don't know, hard pot like,
do you think voter suppression is whatended up losing the leven congressional or winning

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in the level congression. I don'tknow how that kind of works out for
you, see, But I don'tthink it's a suppression issue like that.
And that's kind of where I'm at. It's I think it's more of them
a certain demographic whichever whatever it happens. And this is just in a general
sense, but this applies to thissituation. A certain demographic got together and
say, we're going to put ourmoney and support behind this candidate, money

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and support, money and support bothnot just not just hey, it would
be nice to see them there,and not just attention. A lot of
times we put attention to the candidatesthat we want, but we don't put
really money and support to the candidateswe want place. And so this particular
demographic, this voter block, gottogether, they did that, and they
achieved the goal that they were achieving. Now the reason for you know,

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their particular agenda or objectives for thisis, you know, to be determined.
But at the end of the day, it comes down to them being
able to mobilize and get all thevotes that they needed and all the like
minded thought people to the polls inorder for them to achieve their goal.
And I mean, I guess kudos. I don't really agree with what their
decision was, but I guess Ican say kudos to their actions of being

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able to get it done and getin and move their agenda forward, because
as we're looking at the numbers,that's clearly what took place. You know,
I I have lots of off myconversations with people who I respect.
One of them talks about a termcalled political maturity, and we talk about

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our community being politically immature. Oneof those factors is not turning out in
primaries. That's being politically immature,because if you don't vote in primaries,
by time you go vote for yourguy at the finish line, the race
is already over because he probably gotkicked out. The other part of that
is using our economic resources which wehave to gather. I understand that,

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you know, income in African Americancommunities is not the same as others.
But with the income that we dohave, we have to get into political
giving, We have to get intosupporting political entities and things of that nature,
because we are seeing in real timeswe can have all the population we
want, but what it feels likeis we're still in three fifths a person

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mode. You know, when wedon't turn out, we're turning ourselves back
into three fifths. So that ispolitical maturity, understanding that the money and
the votes have to work together toget the ultimate outcomes we want. And
listen, you know, I makeno qualms about me being a Republican and
not being able to vote in thisrace. What I will say, though,

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is if the will of the people, which the will of fifty two
percent fifty three of the city,said one candidate, and ultimately the other
candidate comes out of that election,well there's there's a gap there. There's
a gap and understanding. My hopefor the community, and I know the
hope from the NAP is that wecan bridge that gap of understanding, we

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can get political maturity, and thathopefully we can really harness this power that
minority communities have as voters, haveas citizens, and have as taxpayers.
Segment two not in the Political Podcastepisode sixteen year in the nap see you
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to me and be like, man, and I love the podcast. I
listened to it every week. Shoutout to my man that says that ain't
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You could send this right to theirphone, They could put it in
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You know, you could share thatwith somebody else. So I appreciate you
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hear this so that way we canget the U. I enjoy getting different

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perspectives from other people anyway. Soeverything, even though I think everything I
say is absolutely right, you know, people don't always agree, no doubt,
no doubt. And all I wasgonna say when we came out of
this break is I wish we hada platform for us to share our off
air conversations with these people. Couldwe have great conversations in between segments?

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But speaking of yes, shout skisuh? Speaking of in between in between
those sheets? Uh? Number onedraft pick PJ. Washington from the University
of Kentucky show a big Blue nation. Actually in those actions between the sheets,
maybe losing two hundred thousand dollars reportedlyallegedly a month to his uh short

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term wife. I think you'll bebetter to call a girlfriend, britt to
the last pump shout international players outanthem. But basically, what mister PJ.
Washington, who plays in the NBAnow is up against eighteen years of
what is allegedly two hundred thousand dollarsa month in child support. Uh nah,

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he's gone. That man's got toplay pay. I would say play
until he's forty years old. Um, Harper, what do you think about
this story about athlete? It's gettingcaught up to what was a nine a
nine year difference between her, BrittanyRinn and her baby's fathers Now, I

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feel like I'm not even gonna blamenone of those people that you think I'm
probably about to blame. I'm gonnablame the judge that actually looked at all
the facts of this case and awardedher four hundred thousand dollars a month.
That is who id two hundred excuseme, thank you that that awarded her
two hundred thousand dollars a month.That is the judge that is the person

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who I blame in this entire case, because it's clear that it was a
case of being young, dumb,and having money. That's really that's really
what you because if you look atsome of the story and I haven't read
all the story, I scanned it, to be honest, most of it
because I've seen this so I've seenthis movie before, so it's not really

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but like, she's at the KentuckyGame. She's twenty six, twenty seven
years old at the Kentucky Games.So it's that's wild. That's predatory.
That's predatory. We talked about Commaearlier. That's predatory. No, I'm
gonna call her financial predator. Shewas a financial predator. Okay, I
can give you a financial predator becauseshe definitely was at the Kentucky Games,

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like knowing that these were gonna basicallya whole starting five's going first round,
probably their little homework, oh yeah, and figure some things out. But
at the same time, it's thejudge or the magistrate or however that ended
up being that that is awarding hertwo hundred thousand a month in essence punishing

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this young man, crippling them financiallyat least, or putting putting a lean
so to speak on this financial capabilityof earning capability for what you know,
mis calculating next to the last pump, Like that's really what you that's really
what you you punishing them for.And it all started from an instagram Like,
but I like how you put thatman. You are crippling this man

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or handicapping this man for the restof his life. Let's take out the
part that black women at this point, we'll talk about how they don't want
to be with a man with kidsand being wait wait, wait, wait,
let's take away wait when let's asa full disclaimer to put us in
full context, we're not talking aboutthe kid itself, not all. It
is not all. He deserves tobe taken care of. The big guy

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he might be in the NBA,to be honest, which he might be,
he deserves to be taking care ofand I hope, through whatever hard
feelings he may have, he continueshe takes care of the child. So
let's just let's just say that Iappreciate you for saying that, but but
no, but but to my point, you've definitely hobbled this man's maturity.
I think in the in the sensethat he had the two hundred thousand dollars

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or whatever. Allegedly the number isbuild as an albatross around his next when
he goes into his next relationship.But you know that's for someone who has
the financial means or the financial possibilitiesin future to make that two hundred tho
knowlars, one hundred thousand dollars,whatever you want to call it. But
you know, for me, whenI read this story, I think about

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those who do not have those right, we're talking about low income, non
custodial fathers. Um. You know, Urban wire shout out to urban dot
org talks about some of the mainfour elements of how African American men in
particular are being affected by child support. Child support may be set at low
at rates at low income fathers can'tafford. Let's say this man breaks his

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knee tomorrow, he can't pay twohundred thousand dollars. What's gonna happen.
He's got to go back to court. They got to readjust that that's gonna
be cost along with that. Also, child child support enforcement methods REEK have
it from the father's employment and abilityto save money. UM. I would
say that in the course system inparticular in Ohio, you can get your
drivers like to suspend it for notpaying child support, and that leads to

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a whole separate I know, seperatelevel of problems. I know a dude
right now, he just gotta sendthis to eighteen months for a probation violation
because he got into it. Hegot into it with his child's mother,
and then he switched jobs. Whenhe switched jobs, the paperwork didn't switch

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with him, and they stopped takingit out of his check. Bureaucracy man,
right, they stopped once they stoppedtaking out his check, so he
had no knowledge of that. Theydidn't even know. So he gets it.
He gets his license suspended, andhe doesn't know his license suspended because
he's just living life. He doesn'trealize that it's actually already suspended, and
gets pulled over. He's on federalapprobation and they violate him because he got

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driving with all license. He uhthen the lack of child support and in
some counties that's actually a misdemeanor andthe felony or a felony. So you
don't realize that if everybody look atchild support, and I'm not saying it
because in some cases it's very absolutelynecessary of course some cases very absolutely necessary.

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But then you have the outliers inextreme cases, like like this particular
young man who you're you're you're lookingat the number and you're looking at the
number of which he makes, andyou're like, Okay, this percentage you
should be able to get instead oflooking at the whole context of what just
happens to or correct and you bringyou bring up a great point failure to
pay child support. Can you know, uh, directly or indirectly lead to

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incarceration. In some places, ifyou're late on your child support by five
days, you could actually get incarcerated. A two thousand and five survey of
South Carolina found that one in eightinmates had been incarcerated for failure to pay
child support. And we know howdetrimental every day you spend incarcerated could be

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to a person's health and health andfinancial wellness. But the last one I
wanted to share about incarceration is thata study of child support enforcement showed that
half incarceration parents nationwide we're passed dueon their child support. And that's the
other element that I don't even thinkabout. Your child support continues to grow

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even when you're incarcerating. So howcan you then say, go find employment,
go become a productive member of societywhen you have this child support again,
albatross hanging from your net. Andthen finally the debt and incarcerations hinders
black fathers and causes harm to theirchildren. And we're seeing this full circle

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back to PJ. So PJ rightnow is on the internet begging to say,
I want to see my son.I don't understand when I can can't
see my son. And for afully functional adult who has the money to
pay for that, you like,pay the money and then you can see
your son. But you gotta understand. PJ is twenty one, twenty two

(38:50):
years old. He just stopped playinghigh school basketball two years ago, and
now he found a woman that hethought he was in love with, had
a child, got married, andnow he can't see his son. We
talk about black mental health, butyou got secretly divorced. Remind you she
she hit him with a secret divorceexactly exactly mission accomplished. So so for

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me, the thing after I rundown all these stats, to think about
all the things that can happen,you know, just to that black man
and his child. But I alsothink about the black mental health of that
man. What is he feeling rightnow? How hurt is he? Now?
We talk about suicide. And Idon't wish this on this man at

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all. But if PJ pop up, you know, and and he didn't
lost it and put a twenty twocaliber to his chest, who were gonna
blame? Whoa? Whoa, whoa? You get a little morbid. I'm
getting real. I'm getting I'm gettingreal. I'm getting real. We're talking
about black mental health. We're talkingabout child support. These financial strains could

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do something very horrible to this youngman, right, and and and and
and then that point, I mean, who co contributed to this murder?
Right, you're gonna say it's onBrittany, Brittany Rinn. But then you
also have to say, what didthe system do to be the accomplicent in

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this? They ain't pull the trigger? But I don't know. I just
feel like this is a very largetopic that's not talked about enough. This
cuts you, This cut you deep. I just want to I just want
to acknowledge this is that that's that'spassion. That that's that's passion. I
mean, could we don't talk aboutit enough? Right? We don't talk
about what are the ramifications for aman not being being able to see his

(40:37):
child, And we're talking about ahigh income man. What about lower income
man? Who Oh, yeah,that's true. No, it's definitely,
it's definitely a mental toll. NowI'm I agree with you, I'm not
definitely not disagreeing with you. It'sdefinitely a toll that's that's on. But
it's it's a situation where man,I I don't think that's it. I
don't think that's the hell that youwant to die on. I don't think
it's gonna be enough support there becauseas tough as America views black women should

(41:04):
be, they I hear black women, they black man, Yeah, they
blue. Black men as supposed tobe even tougher and mentally physically and all
those things. So it's it's Imean, you can try to call for
a call to action to support moreblack men health, and I would love
to support that, and I wouldlove but I don't think that even right

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now, I don't think that theoutrage for what really the totality of the
situations is. Bringing it back toPJ, the outrage for the totality of
the situation is really even all thathigh. I think it's more of a
hey have you seen this? Andmore of a curiosity type of cautionary tale
as far as anything else. Andand and you're right, it does illustrate
an example of a bigger issue,but that's not really an issue that gets

(41:51):
much tension or attraction. To behonest, and I won't lie to you.
It's a joke on the internet rightnow. Yes, But when of
the jokes stop being funny. That'sthe same thing we talked about before,
when when Will was going through hismental health issue, exactly there he turned
into a meme and it just becamefunny. It was like it was like,
oh, look at this. Andbut hey, America, man.

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So with that, I think I'lljust say on behalf the napcast. We
are praying and supporting PJ. Weare praying for the health and wellness of
his child. We're praying for thesuccess of black families in this country.
But what we're looking at right now, get back with her menace cheaper,

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get back to find to talk toit. I think that we all need
to listen to international players anthem allthree verses, the good ones and the
bad ones, and understand that weare in a battle in this country for
the black family, and when theblack family is healthy, our country would
be more healthy. And I thinkthat's something everyone who listened to the napcast,

(42:59):
whether your African America not, canagree with. Segment three not another
political podcast, Episode sixteen. Wemight get cancel Hart. We'll see y'all
on the other side. Heard goon to the altar. I know you
ain't a pemper pump room number one. I taught you keep your heart.
Three stacks, keep your heart,Hey, keep your heart, three stacks,
keep your heart. Man, he'sfeels smart. Three stacks smart.

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