7SEES: Exposing Truthers & Technocracy Agenda- Flynn, QAnon, Rogan, Snowden, Assange & the Great Reset!

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On today's mind blowing episode, we're joined by special guest 7C's.

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This researcher drops the hammer today on the data maps connecting your favorite
truthers to the technocracies. So get ready to question everything because
they're manufacturing your consensus reality just like any magician would do.
Now today's show is man 7C's he's hot. He's red hot on the market. He was on

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tinfoil hat and a higher side chats. He's been on a lower place and for good
reason because today he's joining us and he's going to talk about how he's done
all this research and compiled these beautiful data maps of all of these
components of the technocracy agenda. You know the dark enlightenment stuff we've

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been talking about for weeks and weeks. Well it gets worse.
We've been talking about the through a bunch of shell companies and reorganized companies.
You find that they are funneling money into your favorite truthers. I know. I know it's
going to be tough. We're going to start out talking about the Michael Flynn network,
how it ties into QAnon. This guy named Trevor if it's given the wellness company,

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Colson Capital, Z-Labs, 1775 coffee. If you've heard of any of these things,
you know raise a little bit of awareness here, okay? Because they have sponsored a ton of the
most famous truthers and political type figures that you're familiar with. And he maps it out and

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there's this web of connections to Peter Teele Palantir and the New World Order. Right? The
World Economic Forum and the Great Reesa. It's all connected here. And he floats a various
good bunch of theories about maybe how Julian Assange and Edward Snowden maybe they weren't really
whistleblowers. Maybe that was all smoking mirrors and part of an agenda as well as the Seth

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Rich conspiracy. We get into the history of info wars and he floats a pretty pretty good
debate about Alex Jones and maybe how he isn't everything he seems as well as Joe Rogan. I know
not Joe Rogan. Not Joe Rogan. Yeah, Joe Rogan gets brought up here and I'm telling you it's really

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got me questioning and everything because he pulls it all together and I'll let him explain. And then
by the end we're going to hear about how he thinks that maybe this technology is the end game for
humanity. It's the Great Reesa blockchains, the big agendas, the one world order. And ultimately it's
about magically creating and manufacturing a consensus reality through the sponsorship of a lot

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of these companies. Now if you're listening to this show, this is one of those times where I would
recommend you watch the video version. Now if you want to watch the video version, there's a couple
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right? So that's one option. The other option is you can watch it on my YouTube or my rumble
or my Spotify. But I'm going to for one you, I don't drop the video version until maybe about a
week after I release the audio version. So that's your options or you can just listen to it and then
go back and watch it because he takes us on this data map that he's got that you can also check out

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the images of the data map on his Twitter. And I'll put the link in the show notes for his
link tree that gets you on everything. He's on Twitter, rumble, YouTube, sub-stack. So strap in and
get ready because this one's going to make you question a lot of things. Let's go.
Today we're joined by the red hot rising star of the conspiracy community. He's been breaking out

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all over the internet hitting tinfoil hot podcast, higher side chats. And the reason I'd get him on
here today is because I see him as a major disruptor exposing the financial connections behind all of the
biggest names in the truth or movement. So today we're going to have an honest conversation about what's
really going on behind the scenes of your favorite conspiracy theorist. It's the truth or assassin
himself. Seven C's welcome to the show my friend. Hey, thanks for having me brother. Yeah, I've been

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absolutely smitten. I've been smitten by you seven C's because I heard you on tinfoil hat for the
first time. Like like a lot of people I tell a lot of people I don't I don't actually consume a ton
of podcast content because I'm generally doing a lot of research. So if you know the podcasts I
consume are generally whatever I'm researching at the moment right now I'm researching a handful of

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things. And I to be honest I don't know why I clicked on the seven C's interview but I did and
I was absolutely floored. I thought it was the most genuine authentic interesting conversation I had
heard in the podcast space for a long time. And I was like I got to get this guy on here and then

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just over the last couple days I listened to your interview on higher side chats and I was like okay
this is going to be a good conversation. So I thought the best place we could maybe start out
and because I don't know who you are I just heard the two podcasts I sort of went through your
rumble page and looked at a bunch of shows you did and you're a fascinating person. So if you don't

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mind giving us maybe a 10 minute ish breakdown of you know who is seven C's in the sense of like
you know what guy you interested in this content. I'd like to know the meaning of that that
alias of seven C's as well. And if you want to talk about any interest of your spirituality,
political what got you into this kind of field of research I'll let you sort of take over for a

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minute here. Perfect yeah. I'll say I started out very young I always had a problem with authority
ask my parents teachers previous bosses right. I think that's like a common thread in this like
conspiracy sort of movement is I don't vibe well with the people that tell me what to do and how to live.
Same I got it. I get it. Yeah and so you know when I was younger I think my like first exposure to

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what politics were was when it was either Grand Theft Auto 3 or Vice City came out and I heard that
Hillary Clinton was trying to ban it and I immediately took a permanent position that I'd always
dislike Hillary Clinton and it's kind of stuck since then I was probably nine years old. But I think
that's a fair that's a fair take it's a fair take. Yeah and I think what really woke me up was

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watching zeitgeist in high school. So I'm sure your audience and stuff knows about that film covering
the Federal Reserve 9/11 and then kind of the religious aspect with the Abrahamic religions and
from there I became kind of super focused on you know politics and I was a little bit of a left

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leaning person at the time and you know just sort of going through different things I hit my like
late teens and I started learning about like the Roth Childs and the international banking cartels
and like the like the Orcini's and families like that and you know I thought that I kind of had a

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pretty good understanding but it's always like when you look back 10 years ago and you thought you
knew everything and what you know now and you're like wow I do nothing. Once I hit my 20s it was just
kind of like you know life happened I had to focus on like job to job just kind of paying bills

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and stuff so I kind of fell out of observing politics pretty actively and then 2016 happened I
think basically everybody jumped back into politics during that election and you know I sort of had like
that same surface level understanding so I was just calling out things that politicians were doing

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and not really looking at like funding or the people behind the scenes. COVID happens and I think
that was like the big inflection point for myself and a lot of people and with COVID obviously a lot of
people started researching all of these things and you know the Jeffrey Epstein stuff happened which

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kind of relevant to right now five years later and it was one of those things where I felt like I
kind of knew what was going on and then it was it was enough for me to understand that there are like
there's a lot at play and that that problem with authority sort of came back up for me seeing a lot

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of people you know get canceled lose their jobs and things like that so a couple years ago I walked
away from my job and I wanted to work for myself I was working at a it was a social media company
and I would I didn't have like a high level position or anything but enough to you know kind of

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understand like the ins and outs see some code stuff like that and I decided to work for myself and
I became a like a gaming streamer and you know I was just trying to like make some money I started
incorporating slowly my like political aspect of things into it and then the Butler incident happened

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right after that um trump named JD Vance as his VP so I had never heard of JD Vance so I started
looking into him and then that was when I first learned who Peter Teal was and that sort of like
blew the door open for everything and I realized that he was so ingrained into the political sphere

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and the financial sphere that um I started creating these webs so I could just for me so I could keep
track of everything that he was connected to and all the people connected to those things and after
it started to like build out and get as big as it's gotten I was like I feel like I need to share
this with people because I don't see a lot of people talking about it um you know I saw people like

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like Ian Carroll who was pushing like Donald Trump and JD Vance and I had liked his content up to
then like Black Rock and Epstein and stuff right and so I was like you need to talk about this Peter Teal
guy did it to a few other influencers as well when I realized nobody was taking me seriously I was
like all right well then I have to start telling people about it because I'm tired of people

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leaving stuff out or you know convenient omission or just straight up contorting the truth
like a lot of creators are doing. Interesting so uh man there's so many places to take this because
with Ian Carroll I find him to be a very intriguing character because of his sudden rise to fame

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I do think because I've done a whole I've done one or maybe two episodes on Ian Carroll and
some of the questions I have about him and I recently did a campaign tron because I had reached out
to him try to get him on my show but right when he broke out at the very beginning because I was like
you I was he I thought he did great work with those videos about who owns the the grocery store aisles

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and to me that seems to be when we talk about conspiracies I think that that's one of the most legitimate
conspiracies out there is capitalist corporate propaganda symbolism taking advantage of people that
kind of thing I think that's a huge component here and it kind of is one of the things that all

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roads lead to that all you know all roads lead to the the money and but then I I I had wondered how he
sort of made this turn into well and here's the guys that are going to save you from all this and I
I don't know I try not to be too harsh on the guy because I don't know him and I wanted to talk to him

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I recently ran a campaign try to get all these people to like tag him you know tag him in the on
Twitter and Instagram and I had literally hundreds hundreds of notifications this guy got of me saying
I would love to have you on my show it's a pretty big conspiracy show and not a peep nothing and wow
I just don't it just all these things are really like the kind of sus in my mind so yeah

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all right there we go sorry my camera cut out there uh so but but I know your expertise you have a
lot of expertise and a lot of stuff you've got this mapping of the Michael Flynn network
because because I do think this is kind of the the root of a lot of this because I've been in the

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conspiracy community since 2011 watching all of this unfold and I've always had this question in my
mind of my own biases if I'm being crazy because what had happened from the pandemic forward is a
high jacking of the movement I think and I think that the QAnon thing Michael Flynn all of that is

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to neutralize the threat that is conspiracy theorists because we are the ones that are now
sort of in this position of becoming the new mainstream media and they know there's power
and then they knew this back then and I think this was all a sigh out to get us uh or just sort of take
over and neutralize the conspiracy truth or movement and it worked absolutely beautifully I think so

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take us through how Michael Flynn I presume you'll have some QAnon connections in here maybe I don't
know yeah okay yeah take us through that yeah so um you know I think Michael Flynn um became popular
when he was nominated as like the NSA director um but he's a very long time military uh he

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was NSA DIA CIA and he's he's been connected to people through like the Reagan administration
he is connected to various intelligence agencies not only here in the United States but
abroad as well he has his own intel groups that are made up of smaller independent intelligence

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actors he runs a lot of like 501 C3 and non-profit NGOs um he is one of Donald Trump's like
largest supporters really close with people like Alex Jones and Steve Bannon and Eric Prince and uh

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certain Prince I haven't heard that name uh so Eric Prince is uh he was a guy that was in charge of
black water and he was really good friends with former CIA director Alvin Crongarden who
was uh in charge uh during like the September 11th stuff and was actually working with Paul Brimmer

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who was over essentially like the Middle East campaign um for the first few years um and they
worked together to get black water the first contracts in Afghanistan oh this is this takes us back to
sort of the the Neocons of post 9/11 yeah and black water was I recall in the news because they
it was sort of like hiring civilian mercenaries kind of I think is that the right same company?

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yeah absolutely it was a uh private military contractor and um they were responsible for the
Neesor Square massacre where they ended up killing 17 innocent people um and and that that got
them in a little bit of trouble um not a whole lot and they ended up reshuffling and then folding into
another company and then into another company and now they're they're basically owned by Apollo

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Global Management um if you've ever heard of that uh VC um tied to uh Leon Black who was part of
the Epstein stuff uh he got he got sued by the the Virgin Islands um for his participation essentially
in the Epstein Empire um and we can kind of get into that but um the the few main things I think

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about Flynn is uh one that he is uh he's a very staunch Zionist um he claims to be uh very Catholic
but I believe that this is a front and that him and uh the people in his circle uh use Christianity
is sort of a mask for this like dark cabalistic belief system um and that uh they've basically

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inverted everything um so that the most pie is seeming people are actually the most evil um because
first there's a America's future um which connects him to quite a few people uh you might recognize
Kurt Cameron um Jack Pesovic uh Joe Kent uh Mike Smith lore Logan um and uh through Mike Smith also

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Liz Liz Crookin um but lore Logan Ivan Rayclan and his sister and brother so he has Charles Flynn
and Mary Flynn O'Neal um and he's really close with Paul Valely as well um and
sorry so oh go ahead I'm just gonna ask about the the connection there so or when we're looking at

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this map here the uh America's future ink is that a company that Michael Flynn owns or he works under
um so it's sort of like a like a political think tank like organization um yeah what they
so the the popular methodology behind this network is that they create a bunch of shell companies

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and those shell companies are uh explicitly stated for a particular purpose and um I'm under the
assumption that it's it's largely like money laundering but secondarily um what it does is it
manufactures consensus um so they will uh start a nonprofit they will have a bunch of donations come in

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and that gives the illusion that a lot of people care about this thing uh that in turn uh they use those
funds and create events hire influencers and certain people to come speak at these events
and that essentially manufactures an issue that the public and the government should care about

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I don't know if that makes sense but yeah yeah I got that that's very that's the idea I keep talking
about on my show with occult and ritual magic it's the idea that our reality is very malleable
and the concern I have always had is over the years you've got this wealth disparity and all of these
handful of billionaires sort of consuming up all the wealth and with that wealth you can do stuff

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these nefarious things like what you're talking about and creating this illusion especially given the
advent of social media and the internet you can create this illusion that everybody's upset about
this one topic when maybe that's not really the case you know absolutely yeah there's um there's
uh like proven like CIA operations going back as far as like the forties and fifties um of them setting

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up these companies and then using those to push the agenda of the of people in like higher power
um and we we could probably get into uh one of those examples um because one of them's actually
tied to Donald Trump's uncle um so that would be interesting uh to see but is that the guy who
who stole the time travel documents from Tesla yeah yeah all right um man okay good yeah yeah it's

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interesting man and it it all comes like full circle to today um and i'm i'm hoping that we
have enough time to get to all because it is like so much context yeah you do these massive shows on
your rumble like three four hours i'm like oh my gosh there's so much it's just so much information go
ahead yeah no worries man um it it comes from uh like when i would do the gaming streams and stuff i

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got so used to streaming for like six eight ten hours that yeah so now i'm like dude hour and a half
let's go i'll do that and hop right into something else four hours that's like that's like a half day
for me at this point it was what's your game of choice you you got a particular style of game or
something i don't i'm not a gamer i don't really know how that whole streaming twitch thing works

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yeah um you know i've played like all different cons i'm really bad at video games um but i um
so i got so i got a chance of doing this myself someday maybe oh yeah um i will say i've i have
become a little bit of a purist against like the technocratic agenda and i kind of see video games

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as like a part of that in a way and uh so i've i've largely dropped playing them for the most part
um but i used to play like shooters and RPGs and basically any anything that i thought i could be
good at and then ended up not being and giving up move on to the next time right you got like

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Bethesda the video game uh company out of Maryland there which is where a lot of this uh i don't know
military industrial complex stuff happens i i i guess yeah all right go ahead sorry i don't want to
distract you all good all good um now uh you know there's there's a couple people in the Flynn
network like like like lore Logan for example i'm sure you remember like she was a pretty prominent

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person on the news um she is married to uh Joe Birkett and uh Joe Birkett worked for the Lincoln
group to do joint psychological operation support to drum up uh american sentiment behind the
war in afghanistan and iraq um so they were basically like a private military outfit and they would

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run stories or fabricate stories um over in the middle east that you know and it's a like uh children
beheaded or you know uh gay couple killed by a Muslim extremist uh whatever whatever that
looked like to try to generate support for that um now the the Lincoln group itself um got rolled

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into this company called strategic social right here um which ended up rolling into this company called
canstellas um with two other companies um you have black water which eventually became academy
which rolled into canstellas along with triple canopy and canstellas is owned by a paulo global um

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and then there is uh there's mark rowan and josh harris and leon black who was part of jeffrey upscenes
stuff and uh let me know if i need to like slow down or you have any questions or anything i know
it's uh kind of hard to follow when you don't live it this is wild okay yeah these these the maps are

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everything uh heard you talk about i i see it now i'm like wow this really is incredible okay yeah
go ahead go ahead um so um another thing with uh with lore logon is she's really good friends with
this guy named trevr fits given um so trevr fits given is a pretty important name in my opinion
especially when it comes to like the like the alt-right uh health freedom movement um so trevr fits

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given uh this guy named tomah shoenberger and another guy named manuel chavez created this company
called shadow box and uh there was another lady named bathbogerts who was also um involved but
essentially what this was was it claimed to be like an online private digital army um so anytime

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someone would like say something negative about trump or you know when the q movement was going on
if anybody questioned that or pizegate or something like that this company was essentially supposed
to go defend people or go attack people that were questioning it and um they would like cyberskalk
people and they were targeted individuals and stuff involved um and all of them were involved in

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the seth rich wiretapping scandal um do you remember the seth rich from from wiki leaks and uh with
the hilly clinton stuff yeah um and um that's that's uh kind of important um for when we talk about
Ian carol uh oh okay yeah because because seth rich was that around the time of the campaigns in

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2016 that he got killed in dc and there was a big i i'm not a very uh political conspiracy guy but
i casually know about it it wasn't the claim like he was part of like killed by the clentans or
something like that okay all right yeah all right yeah so that ties into Ian carol you think uh yeah he

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so uh i can i can spoil a little bit but um Ian carol has a tendency to take the sentiments from
this network and repackage them for jenzy um and very early on in 2024 like right as he was about to
like starting to get really really big mike flin reposted him one of his jeffery Epstein videos

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and tagged like Liz crookin and lore login and america's future page and his sister and stuff
and then slowly he eventually got to a million followers i'm sure that you know there we we'll get a
little deeper into that but Ian has at that old school saloon uh he told the seth rich wire tapping

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scandal story from there that he basically just like co-opted all their talking points and
and spread them around that's interesting yeah because i think that um i i don't want to get
you off your off your thing keep going no any questions you have um yeah with with the whole the
whole um Ian carol connection there i i have always wondered how uh because in my experience

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it i don't know i i feel like i could almost throw that point away because my my conspiracy theory is
that you don't organically get as big as you do as Ian carol did i've never seen it happen before
yeah i know from experience of sort of being in this network of truth or is it whatever that

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when you start out in general if shows that have a pretty good fan base such as mine i would argue
when they hit you out to be like hey you want to do my show like you're like you're dying for the
publicity yeah let's do it you know i took every interview i could possibly get for the first
several years even to this day i'll thank not not to this day but um i'll do as many as i can in my

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schedule but the i've seen it with my own eyes a lot of weird things happen over the years and i don't
i don't want to name names because like i don't know what people's true intentions are and stuff and i
i hate to sort of dog pile but there's i've seen a couple people who were starting out around 2020

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when a lot of people did a lot of people were like hey man i don't like what's going on i'm going to start
a podcast whatever and i've seen people that went from obscurity just skyrocket and and i remember the
one person they interviewed Roger Stone and i thought how did how did so and so get Roger
Roger Stone's like a very famous human being how did they get Roger Stone on their show i don't get

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that then within six to twelve months that person massive huge following and i see it i've seen
that happen enough times and i'm like something stinks here and i don't obviously like you've done a
ton of research sort of uh you know unpacking some of this so anyway yeah go ahead no you're good um
you're i you're absolutely right um i always say like trust in yourself a trust your gut like there's

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a reason your intuition especially if it's leading you to like question something um and that that's
actually like a sort of a business model that they've had um because when it comes to like the post
covid influencer stuff the people that are popular now are the people that were questioning the
vaccine and the health freedom movement and and everything like that and um so what you had was uh

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bunch of shell companies or he would do the marketing for certain nonprofits or political groups
and PR is all about spin so even if they needed to like create an entirely synthetic scenario
in order for there to be a news story that is not outside the realm of possibility for them

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David Fenton was on like council foreign relations with people like Henry Kissinger who
manufacture events you know in order to dictate public and for domestic and foreign policy
and so David Fenton basically made a business out of that and it was called Fenton communications
and he trained people like Trevor Fitzgibbon and Michael Shellenberger is another name he's sort of

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like the left wing guy he's he's kind of come a little more to the right now with the with the
nuclear energy now being embraced by the Trump administration but for the most part historically
he's been left leaning but Trevor Fitzgibbon he was the PR person for Julian Assange

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Glenn Greenwald Robert Malone Edward Snowden and Jacob Applebaum the guy that did tour
and so Trevor Fitzgibbon was basically responsible for how the public received these these different

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narratives these different stories and I believe that and and this is just my opinion based on
like a lot of context that I have but I believe that Edward Snowden Julian Assange Jacob Applebaum
Bradley Manning and Robert Malone were all they I don't think they were authentic whistleblowers

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I think you think it's coordinated on some level I do I think yeah I believe that the the
Edward Snowden story was sort of like a controlled outlet for the narrative so it was very curated

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there were tons of details that were left out of the reporting that was done by Glenn Greenwald
and with Julian Assange as well and you know Jacob Applebaum creating tour tour is just an FBI
honey pot peer to peer browser and then you have Robert Malone who you know helped to create the

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mRNA technology that we have the the led to the vaccines and it's now on RFK's I think it's like
the immunization committee or whatever that is and he's basically backing like the vaccination
schedules that's crazy because wasn't Robert Malone one of the anti-vax voices yeah because I

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remember covering all that when it was really a hot subject because it was confusing because they're
like well this is the guy that came up with mRNA vaccines and now he seems to be going together
and it's same goes for RFK you know he his whole life was being an anti-vaxer and then within what
within three months of being appointed head of the the Health and Human Services director

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he's already telling people they should take their MMR vaccines and stuff and I said what is going
like something is so bizarre about all of this so so just to kind of go back to this point are you
saying are you suggesting that you know because Snowden and a Sange when maybe a Sange is out of the

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embassy was it one or both of those guys sitting in an embassy because they don't want to get
arrested in America or they they were for a long time that that is the story yeah oh you so do
you think that maybe they're not in an embassy they're like chill and somewhere I I would say that
like when we look at the Boeing whistleblowers and and the the history of whistleblowers like you have

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the open AI whistleblower and and people like that I don't think that these people would be able to
remain safe anywhere in the world had they actually authentically release something that the
government didn't want the public to know that's a very valid point huh okay yeah now obviously that

(36:20):
comes with like you know looking at there's there's there's so many articles and you know various
like substats and stuff that sort of document a lot of these things that this graph isn't going to be
able to put into context but I encourage people to go back and and look at like the the shadow
box stuff the Seth rich stuff who is handling the PR because he's he was actually like the mate his

(36:47):
his PR firm silent partner was the main driver behind the RFK campaign so American values pack
2024 was the main campaign behind RFK junior and silent partner was the one that was driving that
um and that's where they attempted to capture like all the health freedom movement maha

(37:08):
Trevor Fitzgibbon is really close with people like Peter McCullough and people from the wellness
company which is another controlled company like a I would call it a shell company but they do
actually sell products um but uh you know what's funny in case we don't come back to the wellness

(37:30):
company I want to tell you something that was interesting um when I was prepping to interview you I
looked up the wellness company because I hadn't besides you talking about it I hadn't heard of them
and on their website when you scroll down towards the bottom of the homepage you can see
they have a uh sort of Brady Bunch 4x4 thing of I don't know their spokespeople yeah and it's all

(37:54):
these sort of major alt right wing influencers just as you're sort of telling me and the weird part
is that I literally just went I googled you know wellness company bone click the link went to the
homepage scrolled down it got a vibe for what they they're selling a much you know supplements and
things and then I closed that out and maybe within an hour on my email I got an e a spam email from

(38:20):
the wellness company that I kept the email it um it said and I'll pull it up right now um I kept it
because I was like what it says uh we saw you browsing and couldn't help but notice you found
something great for a short time entering this promo code 15% off blah blah blah and I thought how
did they get my email address I mean I was logged in on my on my Yahoo email on a different like tab

(38:46):
yeah I don't know I there's I've never had that happen in my life before that's the most bizarre
like 1984 thing I had seen well I think it will make a little more sense uh once we start getting
into like what is behind the wellness company um but I do think that that's I mean that's alarming

(39:06):
because that means that their cookies are extending past their their own website and that's I mean
I think that the people made a big deal about that when Elon said that the X was going to start
doing that oh really yeah yeah okay all right and um so uh so Trevor Fitzgibbon is like really close

(39:26):
with uh like Peter McCullough who is the wellness company um and uh another person I'll kind of
transition a little bit into like the wellness company um because it's been pushed by people like
Alex Jones um and uh I actually have like an entire web of all the people that I have confirmed

(39:47):
are sponsored by them um but uh with the wellness company that's where Eric Prince starts to kind of
come into the picture he's tied to a lot of other things as well um but uh Eric Prince had Blackwater
one of the special projects managers for Blackwater was a guy named David Lopez um David Lopez

(40:10):
sits on the board of international health brands which I believe has now just been rolled into
Colson Capital um so he's like a board member of Colson Capital uh Colson Capital is owned by foster
Colson um and they actually have a few companies under them and he has some under him um one of them

(40:32):
being the wellness company right here and these are all the people that are uh sponsored by them
JP Sears cat turn Elijah Schaefer, Laura Lumer, Jimmy Dorri Viva Frey, uh daily cloud news max
people's voice Ted Nugent, Mel Kay you know Glenn Greenwald's on their Alex Jones, Shannon Joy,

(40:55):
Naomi Wolf, uh Kim Iverson, uh Sebastian Gorka Kyle Seraphim, Alex Stein, Liz Wheeler, Chad
Prater, all the Epstein binder people, uh Roseanne and uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh Roseanne
Yeah I see Jessica Reed Kraus on there. Yep. Oh no, this is why Sam this is what was so interesting

(41:16):
when you were on uh Tiffle, uh because these are these are all people that we you know worked with you
know I like Jessica I I'm not a Maga guy at all um I'm about as far from Mag as you can get but I
think she's a good person she's from what little bit I know of her working whether she was a nice person
yeah um and uh you know like I always tell people like just because I have liberal beliefs doesn't

(41:40):
mean I'm a Democrat and yeah just because I have liberal beliefs doesn't mean I don't like Republicans
most of my friends are Republicans I I most of people I like are Republican so it's not that uh
but uh so just to sort of not push back on this but are you saying that the wellness company which
sells the whole bunch of supplements they sponsor all these people that you're showing me on the map

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and from the argument not the argument from the discussion you and Sam had
Sam was kind of saying like well look as a content creator sometimes we take on sponsorships and
you know some of us sometimes we don't do the homework of okay who owned it what was the
shell company before that and so on and so on which I understand and I sort of sympathize for in a way

(42:25):
uh so what's your perspective on this do you look at this list and you say man every single one
of these people is rotten of the core or do you look at this list and say okay all right cool I just
wanted to clarify that so you're just saying there's some smoke here because they're connected with
this whether they know it or not maybe there's something there maybe there's nothing there that's
kind of your attitude on it yeah I think um what what I wasn't able to explain on tinfoil hat is that

(42:50):
I think that at the very least everyone on this list is guilty of negligence
um now that doesn't make them evil people um but I do think that you know on the off chance that
you are confronted about it um you know absolutely verify it for yourself and take a principled stance

(43:13):
in either direction and I think that's sort of like a character uh litmus test in my opinion um
for example uh Sam Hyde recently got sponsored by the wellness company and I let him know um like
I posted under his thing and I shared a bunch of stuff and I guess it ended up getting back to him

(43:34):
about that and he has since fired them um according to himself and he reached out to me and he was
like dude I didn't know if there's any other like shady stuff please let me know and because I don't
do the homework and I was like cool you are the only person that hasn't blocked me or insulted me
or told me I was glowing smoke um do you do you think these people are making like do you do know if

(43:59):
they are they making like big bucks from this or could it be a because like for instance if I get
offered a sponsorship and I've done I've done um I've done a handful of sponsorships over the years
and uh like like better help which I've heard you talk about on I think higher side chats you talked
about some things with them um I've done hello fresh and and I've only taken on stuff that I've

(44:24):
tried their product and I thought okay this is pretty good I like this yeah and as um what else
was another big one I did anyway do you so like for instance the company will approach me and they'll
say okay you get so many downloads per episode we're gonna give you uh you know there's like a
CPM formula they use so for a guy like me who's you know a mid-level podcaster I would I'll get you

(44:48):
know 20 to maybe 30,000 downloads per episode and they'll throw you know a few hundred bucks at
me for each time I do an adry and I'm like I mean that's pretty good money that that you do that
enough it pays the rent yeah do you suspect that the wellness company is doing a
disproportionate amount like do you think if they approach to me with my show and I say hey look

(45:12):
I do ad reads for this other company and they give me you know 500 bucks an ad read they would be like
oh no we're gonna give you like five thousand dollars an ad read like do you think it's like
a irresistible amount or do you have any way of knowing that um I don't have any figures per say
I think it's a combination of both uh like prepaid sponsorships and also like commission based

(45:34):
affiliations um so every single creator sort of gets like their own discount code okay and I think
they they track product sales that way um but I do believe that they offer like a higher than
average going rate um for their commissions and their their ad reads and stuff yeah because to me
it sounds like they've got a mission besides just making money this is about creating some new world

(45:59):
order type stuff and it's funny you got stew peters on there I got lit up on rock fin when I was on
rock fin years ago uh I did a show I don't exposing stew peters because I was like this guy's he was
back then because back I got really pissed off in 2020 because I was with every other truth on the
planet when I was like hey I don't know what's going on with this thing they seem like they're lying
I don't know what the right answer is and um a lot of truth is they like tripled down on the fear

(46:27):
side of it and I thought well I don't know if I want to do that because like everyone's so scared
right now my wife was terrified by the whole thing so I I saw it firsthand and I felt bad I was like
man I don't want to be the guys like trying to make money off of scaring the crap out of people and
stew peters was talking about how it's in the the the the the povids in the water remember we had
the documentary about the covid in the water and I was like who's this freaking guy and he like has

(46:50):
his background as a fake he was a rapper for a while and yeah you know he's like Russell Brand
as I was named because yeah it was like Russell Brand like they just find whatever sticks and like
that's their new gift is what feels like to me um I think uh for a funny story you should definitely
put uh stew peters and Jesse Ventura into a search bar together sometime oh what okay yeah

(47:14):
story's a little too long to get into today but um it's it's really funny all right I'm gonna do that
yeah I'll I'll give you one sentence as a as a hint of how that goes um kicked out of the governor's
mansion oh dang yeah um and uh yeah so uh but yes uh I've I've actually done a couple so I appeared

(47:34):
on stew peters to try to talk about like technocracy and stuff and he just wanted to make it all about
Jews and like I'm like that's that's not why I'm here and also there's more than just
Jewish people that are doing things like let's you know let's not take accountability off of all
of the other people that are also driving this agenda and yeah and he's a huge and he and stew

(48:00):
peters is massive now he's huge he's got his own network and stuff so I I tried to tell him people
telling blue in the face I'm like look there's like serious money behind scaring people and
like the uh I always use the the analogy of the you know as it truth there's we always criticize
big pharma as we should right and well the the big wellness health supplement industry is like

(48:27):
like first as big pharma is worth 1.6 trillion in in US dollars and the wellness industry is like
6 trillion dollars like there's more money in supplements and I'm not and I take a ton of supplements
you see I have stacks of supplements I take so I'm not anti supplement I actually think they're very
helpful but um the facts of the matter are that there's more money in in Hawking boner pills and

(48:50):
and wellness stuff than there is big pharma absolutely and um and and two um like when it comes to
these influencers I I think that when when you're taking on like the sponsorship and you're you're
pushing a product that people are putting into their bodies if you're not doing your due diligence

(49:10):
on that I I think that's incredibly like irresponsible I agree with that and I gave Tim pull a lot of
grief uh I don't listen to Tim pull he's not my cup of tea but and I have no reason to dislike the guy
but when when the news came out that he was getting half a million dollars from Russia every month
for videos I I said look man like you guys are making excuses for this guy if someone was handing me

(49:33):
half a million a month for something I would do a little I'd be a little bit like who is this guy
yeah and he acted like he's like I don't know I'm just making the money I'm like well how much
money are you making that half a million a month is just like crumbs that you don't even look into
like that's insane yeah chat him house rules though man he can't tell you yeah yeah yeah

(49:54):
uh... did so okay sorry I don't I don't want to detour you but you were talking about the wellness
company yeah yeah all their sponsorships uh I know that on other shows you've talked about
the wellness company is is an umbrella and then there's various things within it is that right
like 1775 coffee is within the wellness company is that right um koulson capital is the like the

(50:16):
umbrella company and then uh they have the wellness company they have this thing called zellinka
labs or ze labs um Vladimir's I've heard of ze labs yeah Vladimir's Alinka was the guy that was pushing
like the iver mectin hydroxychloric wind stuff very early um and he was really really good friends
with uh foster koulson and his family so okay ze labs was pushing iver mectin back in 20 the

(50:46):
early days but iver mectin they sell it now oh they sell it yeah and like various other
supplements and stuff oh okay all right yeah so they're they're they're essentially like the little
sister of the wellness company but they both roll up to koulson capital okay all right um and then
I have my screen shared again if you if you want to pop that web back up I have uh did it kick it

(51:11):
off sorry I did that's when we were talking um so uh you have like ze linka labs um who you know is
x 22 report uh sgt clay clark um flyover conservatives melk steel truth uh that's
and vander steel she's called me missad before which I think is hilarious because she's in this

(51:34):
network with people who are tied to missad um you have like uh Clayton and Natalie Morris uh from
redacted um and then this this 1775 coffee is also uh part of that koulson capital umbrella and that
is people like uh like steve gruber dan bongino steven kraut or russell brand linda patterns

(51:57):
russell brand i believe was also sponsored by the wellness company um and uh the reason that
that i think that the wellness company is concerning is um not only is it it's essentially little
pharma um because they're selling stuff that was made by like murk and uh you know all the all these

(52:20):
various chemicals and um they they're claiming like people should use them fairly regularly and i
don't think there's been long-term studies of like regular use of these things uh without like
specific use cases um like anti-parasidics um but the so the CEO of the wellness company is a man named

(52:40):
peter galuli um peter galuli used to be the vice president of operations at this company called
dust identity and um dust identity this is from their about page on their website in 2011 co-founders
ofir gathon jonathan Hodges and dork england met as three phd's at columbia university studying the

(53:02):
quantum characteristics of diamonds a few years later at m it which m it is very heavily involved with
like the military industrial complex like r and d stuff um and darpah uh approach them with a
critical problem in supply chain security trusted physical identity of high value components didn't
exist a team recognized that the quantum properties of microscopic diamonds made them uniquely suited

(53:26):
for creating physical fingerprints for product and part traceability from their dust identity was
born today dust is embedded in some of the most complex value streams for organizations leading
initiative censored around national security centered around national security and so essentially
what this is um have you ever seen the video where leary fiend talks about the tokenization of everything

(53:51):
no uh uh um so he said uh that he wants to get everything on the blockchain and um that includes
right now he's talking about it with like stocks and bonds but he means literally everything will
have a like a blockchain address uh attached to it every transaction that you do will be through

(54:11):
the blockchain even for like uh like you know um like whether you buy a fan or you're buying different
types of food eventually they want to be able to track every single transaction that is taken by
everybody and that this is like one of those ways where they would align these microscopic crystals

(54:33):
and then sort of spray like a thin polymer layer over it and that thus creates like a tag for it that
they can then uh put on the blockchain and give it a unique identifier and then when you transact
that um product from like person to person it's then tracked from beginning of life to end of life
even through like secondhand markets and and they use market and stuff like that for for ultimate

(54:57):
surveillance and sort of uh control I guess ultimately yeah yeah this is it reminds me of the
internet of things right with 5g that was the promise of 5g and and getting everything onto the
internet kind of so yeah huh all right yeah and um and so it's uh you know that that sort of vital to

(55:19):
their to their goal here I have like an in-game model that I'd kind of theorize where we're headed
but eventually I believe we're going to get rid of the dollar we're already seeing that being
tanked by people like Stephen Mnuchin um and we will go to like a digital only currency ecosystem

(55:41):
that's comprised of various stablecoins like Salona, Ripple, Tether and those will essentially
replace the like fiat federal reserve system that we have now and they will be tying our currency to
carbon um so carbon taxes carbon credits are sort of like a precursor to that um but it all goes back

(56:07):
to like the old uh technocracy ink plan um where they wanted to turn energy into the currency.
Oh interesting yeah yeah that's that's kind of what the uh the great reset books talks about too
is getting everything on a blockchain for and and the sales pitch is that I believe in in in

(56:27):
Klaus Schwab's book there he he sells it as a way that they can monitor energy usage for
whatever and and you already know where that's going it's going right to keep in your your house at
85 degrees in the summer while you know big corporate America's flying in private jets with the

(56:48):
AC cranked all the way down type stuff you know. I'll uh I'll do you one better I believe that
if if this system keeps continuing uncontested it could get to the point where they penalize you
financially for your child's carbon footprint or or the carbon that you produce when you breathe.

(57:09):
Um like a total like total Ripple remember that movie total yeah yeah and and I think that is like
eventually the ultimate goal is they want to they want to tax you for every breath that you take
and these systems are a slippery slope to that. Ah okay man that's wild okay. Yeah um when it comes

(57:31):
to like the the brain chips and the wearables and various biometrics and and things that can
measure your blood oxygen levels and keep keep a you know timer for that and putting it on the
blockchain so they can just bill you and it can't be undone and there's like records of everybody
and everything all at once. It it gets pretty out there and it's a little foresighted I think

(57:55):
but I think it's important to let people know at least from everything that I've researched and
kind of understand the the way that we're headed that better to know now and that way you can
prepare and and things like that. Um RFK was talking about having everybody wear wearable uh

(58:15):
no tracking device just recently. Absolutely to measure like blood pressure and oxygen levels and
everything like that. Yeah it seems like the and the apple iPhone has you know fitness apps and
step counters on it and it's almost like that's a a dry run for something worse. Yeah and and if you
get into the you know I I think we're headed towards they want to create the technological

(58:40):
singularity to put us all into digital matrix and maybe that's the maybe that's how they get us
there is to have this sort of carbon tax for every breath you take and then the alternative they
could be like well or if you if you you know if you can't afford all that would just put you in
the matrix and it's you know very low emissions. Yeah and you and you live like a god in like a cryostate.

(59:02):
Yeah yeah exactly yeah and I'm always torn with like is this realistic and they really do this or
they watch too much science fiction and they're going to sort of overplay their hands. I don't really
know but given all the sort of technocracy push and dark enlightenment talk that seems like the people
that want that to happen are in a lot of positions of power right now which is sketch you know. Oh yeah

(59:26):
Elon Peter Teal I believe Elon even I saw something yesterday that said that he's wanting to
bring like Curtis Yarvan into the America party. Oh really yeah and I've done dives on the
Curtis Yarvan. I think it was his brother who was in DARPA who's one of the first DARPA employees
or something like that. Yeah. Oh boy. These are these are ideological extremists. The the acronym that

(59:51):
they go by is test-grille TESCR EAL and it's it stands for like the different beliefs that they have
like transhumanism, extropingism, singularism, so on and so forth and you have Peter Teal, Elon
Musk, everybody from Big Tech, Mark and Dresson, all of these people follow this and it's essentially

(01:00:18):
what we see with like the medical industry through like the Rockefeller takeover was we know what's
best for you and for all of humanity you need to do this. It's in the interest of everyone and then
there's a huge fallout and like we've seen with basically the vaccines, COVID, all that that

(01:00:39):
mentality that they have that is test-grillism. Wow I'm not looking at that is it and this is what
bothers me about it is that I'm not I don't watch Info Wars or Alex Jones so I don't know that I'm
qualified to know exactly what he talks about but the things I do catch on the sort of feed is that

(01:01:02):
he seems to be in league with a lot of the people that are pushing this stuff which is
insane to me because this is everything that every conspiracy theorist I've ever followed
was warning us about for so many years. So I'm not really sure how that fits into it. Is he,
do you think Alex Jones is part of this web? I absolutely do. I'm under the belief that Alex

(01:01:26):
Jones has always been a bad actor and that he has like various family members that he has admitted
that are intelligence agents. He has families that are part of free masonry. He has people like Chase
Geyser that is a self-admitted free mason. I think Alex Jones was used by knowingly or unknowingly

(01:01:51):
by like the intelligence community and the people that he was claiming to expose in order to paint
conspiracy theorists as this sort of hyper-care-cacherized crazy person so that people wouldn't take us
seriously for years and years and years. Oh interesting. Okay. Yeah, that's an interesting idea.

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the face forever." I just don't know what to make of the guy and I don't follow enough to really
have an informed opinion. But I know enough that, for instance, the other day on Twitter, he had a
live stream and the headline was something about the Trump Epstein fallout, which, you know, because
he's probably torn because his bestie Trump is covering up for pedophile elite that works now.

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And I was like, "Well, let me hear what he has to say." So I click in and he's talking about Obama
sending USAID money to Wuhan. And he showed pictures of Bill Clinton with Epstein. I'm like,
"What kind of like bait and switch are we doing here, dude?" Yeah.
So the new spin is that they couldn't officially release anything on Epstein and Trump had to make

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it all confidential so that he could use it to blackmail them to get everything that he once done.
Oh, is that what Alex Jones says? That is what Alex Jones said. Oh, boy, it's the 5D
chess. I'm so stupid in naive. What was I thinking? It's so funny to watch, man, because I even made a
post about it. I think it was yesterday where he was interviewing Judge Joe Brown and they were

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talking about it. And they both just have this like exhausted look on their face. Like they're both
about to just crash out. And I'm like, even they are getting tired of their own propaganda.
Uh, I mean, he's got to be getting a script handed to him and he probably looks at it and says,
"Oh, my God, I gotta say this." I mean, there's just no way he believes this stuff. And I think that

(01:05:57):
that whole Epstein cover up is really making major riffs happen in the truth or community,
which I'm like, "Thank God. Finally. Are we finally waking up everybody?" Yeah.
But I think the hardcore is, of course, there's still a hardcore about it. But anyway, so with
the Info Wars, I thought I'm trying to think back on who you were talking to. I think it was you

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and Greg Carlwood were talking about Greg Reese and David Knight. Did they both leave Info Wars?
Yeah. Oh, okay. So neither of those guys, I didn't know Greg Reese worked for Info Wars at all
ever. As soon as he was always on his own. So one time I was on, there's a show called AM Wake Up

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and Greg Reese saw me on there and hopped in and we kind of brought up Alex Jones and he said,
there was a point where he finally realized he had had various little red flags and stuff like that.
But he had no smoking gun or anything. And then it was some point in like 2022 or early 2021

(01:07:07):
or something like that where he finally was like, there's no explainable way that this isn't in bad
faith everything that you're doing. And I was getting 70,000 a year full health benefits.
You know, the exposure comes with it and he was like, I can't be associated with this because I

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believe it's wrong and he left. David Knight, I believe his story was pretty similar as well.
And I think like one of the major turning points was the Sandy Hook case.
And a lot of people don't know that essentially Alex Jones' council

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kept the Sandy Hook trial in the state and didn't take it to the Supreme Court. And they kind of took
a dive on the case. That way they could use that as precedence for people that try to expose
future conspiracies and things like that. Wow. Okay. Yeah, because I, did you watch that documentary

(01:08:15):
about the Alex Jones trial on HBO? You seen that? It came out I think last year. And
you know, and I'm torn on this because I support the free speech that we should be able to
question everything that happens and it no matter how unsavory that is. I don't love the way

(01:08:37):
Alex Jones went about it because the documentary presents it such that it seemed like he was really
egging on people to harass these parents that their children got shot murdered, right? Which is
pretty atrociously kind of gross and unethical I think. But I support his right to question it and
bring up ideas. I just don't think he went about it the right way. The fine he got was like

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over the top, right? I mean, I don't remember what the fine was. It was like $500 billion or something.
1.3. Good Lord. Yeah, it's insane amount of money. And so like those aspects, I was always
kind of on Alex Jones's side. But then I watched that documentary and I still stand by like my
support of the ideas and the free speech thing. But when I watched it, it was and of course it's a

(01:09:28):
documentary. So who knows? Maybe it's sort of favored in a certain light. But it seemed pretty clear
that he was being a total like jackass about things and like being rude as hell to the judge and
like talking trash about the judge. He would the judge they would break from court and he would go on
on the air that night and talk about how the judge was I don't know worshiping Satan with Hillary Clinton

(01:09:50):
and crazy stuff. And then they'd come back to court and the judge would be like, bro, what are you doing,
man? And he'd just be like, oh, sorry, judge. You know, like I don't know. He just did a lot of
gross immature stuff throughout that documentary that I kind of was like, I think I severed my final
tie of interest in Alex Jones. Like he's just because I because I have a bit of, I don't know,

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I think at some point you got to, you got to man up and be a decent human being at some point. And he
just wouldn't do that in this documentary. And I was like, what a scumbag, you know? Yeah, and I think
it goes back to like they, you know, he is a tool for them in the sense that he did make this big deal
about it. He went about it in like the worst faith sort of approach. Like you said, he was like

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calling for people to harass the families and stuff and and then ended up tanking the case.
And then didn't appeal it up to the Supreme Court, even though it was a clear cut amendment
issue, you know, he was protected by the First Amendment. And even in his legal, basically,
appeal defense, he was trying to throw gun manufacturers under the bus, which is just like the

(01:11:01):
gun control narrative. They were arguing like seeking punitive damages for how much more,
like merchandise and supplement sales. He made off of like drumming this up and creating a
show of it in court and things like that. And his legal defense was essentially like,
nothing Alex Jones has ever sold has done more damage than the gun manufacturers that sold the

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guns that killed the children. And I was like, okay, so you're pro two way, but then you're literally
just talking Hillary Clinton talking points. Oh, that's insane. Yeah, I don't know what to think
about that whole thing with the, what did you see anything on? Because Alex Jones has his own

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supplement company. So he wouldn't be affiliated with wellness. He's like, he's had
ads for them on his show before. But now all of the supplements that he sells go through his dad
who has, he has claimed that his dad has been previously like approached by like intelligence

(01:12:09):
agencies to do underground work in like deep underground military bases for like dental implants
because his dad is like a dentist. And in my opinion, I don't think you just go from being a
random like private practicing dentist to being asked to come do like intelligence work on like

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deep underground military bases. I think that that comes from like a previous rapport and a previous
resume of work that they've done. Otherwise, I mean, what's to keep like any random person that they
contract from the private sector to just be like, no, I'm not going to have anything to do with this
and then telling people, you know, right. That does kind of add to the idea that Alex Jones is basically

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an asset because because now they, because I had really thought about it that way. But that would make
a lot of sense as to why he was so flugering about the sandy hook thing and like just relentless,
just wouldn't stop. You know, the, you know, the point where he finally, I think it was in the court
case, he says something of the effect of how he's like, well, I do believe that they've really happened.

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Yeah. And it's weird that he just kept doubling down on it to the point of losing all that money.
And then you're right. Like to not, to not fight that in the court of appeals. Yeah. And then he says
and I remember when the verdict came down, it was, it looked like it was, you know, curtains for
info wars like it was over. It's like, good, you're done. You're going back up. They were going to sell

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out the studio and all the stuff. And he's kind of bigger than ever now. Would. Yep. Uh-huh. Okay. Yep. And,
and I think that that was essentially like that big price tag that he got was to deter anybody else,
like regular Joe's like me and you that can't afford to pay $1.3 billion to be like, hey,

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if you try to do something like this now, this is what's going to happen to you. Yeah. And it was like
this, this artificial thing because he tanked the case by not appealing to the Supreme Court on the
grounds of the First Amendment and got that settlement and now is bigger than ever. And now they can
reference that court case again for anybody else that tries to blow the whistle on something similar.

(01:14:29):
Man. Yeah. He's bigger and buffer than ever. He's doing the, uh, Maseline Blue and boy, oh boy.
Oh, so, so, because I'm looking at the clock here, I want to hit on one more thing before we can
get your sort of final view of where all this ends. Um, you talked about various comedians.

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Uh, I think it was on Carlwood's higher side chats or maybe it was on triple year both.
And you named a couple names that I thought was fascinating because I don't know anything about,
and that's Tom Segura and Theo Vaughn. Uh-huh. Do you suspect that they're involved in any of this,
you know, are they on your map anywhere, anywhere? Uh, not officially, only because, um, it's more so people

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that are sort of driving things from like the, uh, I guess, driver's seat, um, so to say, um, people
that are like explicitly politics focused or, um, maintain like a consistency in political talking
points, which both of them have kind of started to, you know, morph into, um, but I look at, uh, like

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Joe Rogan and all of his ties, um, you know, most of, most of his stuff either rolls up into intelligence
agencies, giant VC capital firms or Israel. Uh, so Joe, Joe, you think Joe Rogan is, uh, maybe a bad
actor or just involved with some bad players? I think he is absolutely 100% a plant.

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No kidding. Yeah. Do you have any time to sort of go through any of those ideas of that?
Um, so from, from my understanding, um, he, uh, he had a stepfather that was, um, a pretty prominent
like PR media marketing guy, and he set out to be a comedian. Um, he was a terrible comedian,

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then he was basically given a show, uh, fear factor, and then from there he started the,
the podcasting stuff and was, uh, sponsored very early by things like fleshlight. Uh, and yeah,
I remember that. Yeah. And other companies and if you, did you ever see them like the Matthew North
video that covers like a lot of his earlier sponsors? No. Um, I, I think, uh, I think Matthew makes some,

(01:16:52):
some pretty, uh, good claims in, in that video. Uh, I'm not sure if all of it is 100% accurate.
I would like to think so, um, but that also incriminates, you know, like Sam Tripoli and, uh, he, he,
not, not Sam. Um, I like Sam and from my, uh, viewpoint, I, I do think that, uh, uh, most of his

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stuff is just, he's just trying to make a living and be funny and do podcasts on the internet. Um,
but the, the proximity does concern me a lot. Yeah. I, I mean, I, I, I, because I've gone back and
forth on Joe Rogan too, uh, he, he was a, he was an idol of mine for a very long time and all of that,

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I thought he was very open-minded and saw things pretty, pretty, uh, you know, I don't know, I feel like
he accepted most things for who the people, for who they are on a show. And that's why I liked them. And
I don't know. Ever since 2020, things got weird. It just got weird. And I, like, he had all of these

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Peter McCullough type anti-vaxxers on his show, which I was fine with because I'm, I'm a borderline
anti-vaxxer myself. Like I don't, yeah. I personally feel like you're rolling the dice either way. It
just depends on which, which, what, what do you, how do you want this to look? You know, and I don't
want to be involved. And that's why I don't talk about anymore because I don't want to be involved
in other people's health decisions. But the same reasons that you critique a lot of these people for

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peddling supplements and stuff. It's like you don't, you don't know what these, what they've got in
these supplements sometimes. And so, yeah, bothered me because he had all these sort of anti-vaxxer
opinions on there. And the whole thing was, oh my god, big pharma is gonna, gonna wreck your immune
system and destroy all these things. And you really shouldn't take this thing. And then he gets

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the virus. And he makes this video, which to be fair, like CNN made his Facebook green. I saw that.
But he rattles off a list of like 10 different things he's taking. He's taking Iver Mectin and
Monoclonal antibodies and all this crazy, like Frankenstein stuff. And I'm like, bro, what are you
talking about? You know, because like I got it and it was, and from, like luckily for me, like I could

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just beat it with like a cold, right? And I just thought, this is crazy because Joe Rogan and this guy
that was pushing all this, oh, just getting the sun, vitamin D, getting your sauna, you'd be good.
And then he gets it and he's immediately rattling off all this crazy big pharma solutions. And I'm like,
then why do you have such a beef with the other side of the big pharma solutions too? Like to me,
exactly. That's what started the ball roll into me being like, who is this guy? And, and you know,

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I still have a soft spot in my heart for the man. I admire him on many levels. But then when,
before the election this time, it was, I mean, it's pretty clear that he got, I think, like,
bought and paid to endorse Trump, I think, because there was so much weird stuff that happened leading
up to that, including the, the, the, the, the, the Butler PA incident, which I mean, I don't know,

(01:19:56):
you see the photos of the ears. And I, that's not the photo of a guy who got shot in the ear. I
guess it's not. I believe that the, the Butler PA incident was entirely staged. I'm on board 100%. I,
I, I, I, I, I, I guess I started getting into real dangerous territories here. But there's a lot of

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weird things with all that. So Joe, so anyway, to keep picking on Joe Rogan, because Joe Rogan is a,
a bit of a, I don't want to say a gatekeeper, but he holds the keys to a lot of, I mean, add that
picture back up there for, oh, he's on your map. He's, he's a very powerful person. He's, he's,

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the, basically the number one podcast in the world. I do question how many streams he legitimately
gets. I think that all of these big names that you see on the top of the charts, they pay our,
bots or, our armies of bots to fake their streams and downloads. I firmly believe that. Absolutely.
Okay. All right. We're on the same page here. Yeah. Walk me through your map here. How does Joe Rogan

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fit into this dang Joe Rogan? I can't believe I see him in his name on this map. Yeah, man. So, um,
Joe Rogan, the first, the first two that, that sort of come to mind for me are, are Spotify and Peter
Teal. Um, Spotify was very early seed funded by Peter Teal. Um, they partnered very early with
Facebook, which was also very early seed funded by Peter Teal. Um, I, I, I'm going to get you right

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back to this. But real quick, yeah, what's interesting. I was talking to, uh, I did show you yesterday,
and I talked about this. I, I started paying for this SEO optimization thing for podcasting.
And one of the tools they use is looking at keywords and search words. And you can see where your show
ranks when you search for certain words. Yeah. And with something interesting, it, it basically tracks

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Apple and Spotify, which are the major two podcasting platforms. And what's interesting is that it
shows you how, um, how popular a key term is on the platform. So for Spotify, the term conspiracy
is very popular. A lot of people are searching for that term. Yeah. If you go to Apple, um,
it's, or, I'm sorry, it's, it's Spotify Apple and YouTube. If you go to YouTube, it's a zero. Like,

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because you know YouTube, they'll purchase that you can't talk about it on YouTube. So that's why
it's a zero because they're like, we're not showing nobody any conspiracy content on this platform. Yeah.
Isn't that curious? You're showing me now that Spotify, which apparently lets it fly, like,
they're cool with the conspiracy thing, apparently. Yeah. And now I'm seeing them on the map. And Peter
Teel's connected in, which makes me wonder how much of the conspiracy movement is, uh, uh,

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bought and paid for by all these figures. Go ahead. I would say it's, it's most of it. Um,
and, you know, uh, thinking about like rumble, um, think of how many of the conspiracy people are
on rumble and then understand that rumble was very early seed funded by Peter Teel, JD Vance,
Vivek Ramaswami, Bill Ackman, and, uh, Howard Lutnik took them through their IPO.

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And now they're partnered with Tether, which is Brock Pierce, who is tied to Epstein, Steve Bannon,
and various other people. Crazy. Yeah. Um, so, uh, so the, the founder of Spotify, Daniel Ack,
he's like given multiples speeches at like the Builderburg Steering Committee that Peter Teel

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sits on with Alex Carp. Um, he is so close with Zuckerberg that Zuckerberg came to his wedding.
Um, and these are, you know, people that CIA contracts their Builderburg Steering Committee members.
Um, the Peter Teel's on the WEF. Um, he was even like a young partner back in the day, so he's been
with them for like a long time. Um, and that's just, that's just Spotify that gives Rogan millions and

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millions of dollars. Um, I, I can't remember exactly what the amounts for it, but I think it's
somewhere in the ballpark of like $250 million dollars. Yeah, that's what I recall, something like that.
Yeah. And there, there's even videos of Rogan talking about like going to Dynett, Peter Teel's
house as far back as like 2018. Man, and, and that just makes me wonder, it's like, there's a lot of

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favors to repay for Joe Rogan, you know, exactly. And, um, I have seen reports that, uh, one of the PR
guys that can consistently get spots on Rogan is Trevor Fitzgibbon. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. There's,
there's been a, you can go look and, uh, he's like able to get people on like, see it in Fox News,

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Joe Rogan 60 minutes, all that stuff. So, uh, well, that's interesting because I noticed Ian
Carroll was on, on Fox News like a year ago or something like that. And it was just part of my,
per, uh, my, my curiosity of the guy because I was like, how, how does this guy do it? Like,
that's insane. I've never seen anyone do it in this, in this, uh, organically. I'll, um, I'll give you a,

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sort of a model, um, that I've, I've recognized patterns with. So this was, this was similar with
David Fenton, Michael Schellenberger and Trevor Fitzgibbon. Um, so very early in their life, they go do like
some humanitarian stuff in, in like a third world country or like Latin America. Uh, then they come

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back and they start getting into the, um, the business of like public perception manipulation.
Then they start a bunch of, uh, nonprofits and then they start manufacturing consensus through those.
Uh, very early in Ian Carroll's life, he went to Guatemala for humanitarian stuff. He comes back,

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he ends up becoming this huge podcaster and conspiracy guy that's able to manipulate public perception.
And then now he's part of this nonprofit called hetero awareness. And you know, when I, when I think
about like Michael Flynn and his nonprofits and, uh, you know, he's, he's really close with Nicole
Shanahan who is a literal billionaire for divorcing surrogate brin who is Epstein, the edge, you know,

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Google alphabet, uh, all that. Um, that's how she became a billionaire. He's cozy with her. Um,
and Liz Croak and Laura Logan, like he's friends with all these people. And, um, I don't think it's,
it's, I think they, they kind of keep him at like an arm's distance to keep his character a little cleaner.

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But I absolutely believe that he's in in contact with people like Trevor Fitzgibbe. He's spoken
at multiple events that Trevor Fitzgibben did, like rescue the republic and march for the mandates,
um, stuff like that. And, uh, yeah, I saw that. I saw that during during the election. He was doing a
bunch of speaking events and it just, and, and people gave me grief when I questioned all this,

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they're like, oh, you're just being a hater. I'm like, that's fair. I am totally hating because like,
yeah, I'm jealous of the meteoric rise. This guy was able to pull off. And anyway, it's, um,
you're suggesting maybe he's following the, uh, the blueprint by doing the nonprofit thing. Like,
that is very ambitious like to immediately go into launch into these within two years of starting

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a tick-tock channel. Yeah. Yeah. I think that the model worked so well, um, over the last couple of
decades that they were just able to like, hyper accelerate it for him. Um, and now that's,
that's my opinion, but it comes with like, oh, there's this, you know, thing that's way too crazy
to be a coincidence. There's this. The fact that he was on Joe Rogan. Um, right. I told you,

(01:27:44):
we forgot to bring that up. Yeah. Um, and, uh, yeah. So, and me and him have gotten into it a couple
times and it seems to be like, he is, he is what I would call the Q movement personified. So,
there's always, uh, you know, when, when, uh, Trump and, and Netanyahu were talking about Gaza and

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Trump said that the US would end up annexing Gaza and Netanyahu gave him like that dirty look and
people ran with that. And they were like, oh, they're fighting with each other. Do you remember that?
No, I don't. Um, so that was like Ian Carroll's like, oh, look, Trump's actually gonna like,
Kuh Netanyahu and they're not on the same page and they're saving Israel for last. Like, he follows

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that whole thing and, uh, promoted people like cash and Bange no and Pam Bonnie and Tulsi Gabbard. Um,
and, um, it's just, it seems to be this repeating pattern of you're going to tell people there's
someone coming to save them and then when it ends up not happening, you're gonna be like, oh,
I got played or, oh, uh, who could have seen this coming? Uh, and they just all feign ignorance, which I

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think is what we're kind of seeing now with like this Epstein stuff. Um, a lot of them are like, what's
happened? Trump is totally owned and they're like completely surprised and it's like most of us
were yelling at you for the past two, three years that this was absolutely going to happen, pointing
out connections and stuff. And, you know, I argued with Ian all the way up to like February about Peter

(01:29:12):
Teal and then now all of a sudden he's like some expert when he was claiming after the election,
he didn't even know, he didn't understand Peter Teal and his connections is what he told me.
Jeez. Yeah. That's crazy. Um, all right, I'm wondering at the clock, let's, uh, let's wrap up with your,
your, your final take on why, why should we care about any of this? Where, or, you know,

(01:29:41):
where does this go? Like, why, why should we be concerned? What does this look like if nothing changes
and they kind of go along with their nefarious game plan here? Yeah. Um, so I think that, you know,
when, when we look at like the agenda that the WEF puts out, um, I absolutely think that they are
being 100% serious and that it's not like, you know, we're going to demoralize you by telling you

(01:30:05):
you're going to eat the bugs. I think they, that's absolutely what they want for us. They want us to
own nothing and be happy and all of these people that sort of restore this faith in the systems
and institutions that we have, uh, I think are doing everybody a major disservice and I, I always tell

(01:30:27):
people to vet, verify everything, don't trust anybody but yourself. Don't even trust me. You know,
like, I'm capable of making mistakes. I'm human. I have my own biases, even if it's like subconsciously.
So always be thinking for yourself. Um, I always preach, uh, for people to, uh, become committed to like
food independence. Um, I think that's like the, the number one way that people can, um, sort of take

(01:30:53):
back at least a little bit of their, the control over their lives because, uh, you know, food is a
build that comes due like two to three times a day for everybody on earth. Um, and every single
purchase that we make that's, you know, to, to these sources is money that's going into Black Rock,
money that's going into Unilever and, and funding these big VC things and they're full of preservatives

(01:31:16):
and additives and stuff that just make you feel terrible all the time and make you sick and give you
cancer. Um, so the sooner people can, can sort of get their food independence back and, and harness
the skills of like independent food production, self-sufficiency and stuff, I think it is not only
going to make people feel better, but it also is like a huge hit, um, to their bottom dollar. Um, and I,

(01:31:41):
don't think there's going to be like a huge mass awakening shoe drop moment, but the whole reason
that I'm here is, you know, while I'm here, if people can hear the things that I'm saying and, and
apply them to their lives and, and stuff, every drop in the bucket eventually adds up to an ocean.
Um, I wasn't around, uh, you know, talking about stuff when like COVID happened, but I've seen

(01:32:04):
countless examples of people saying like, you know, thanks to you, I didn't get the vaccine or, you
know, I didn't make this decision or that decision, um, that I would have regretted and, and I hope that
I can, at the end of the day do that for some people when this is all said and done.
You, uh, in fact, I just started, I'm trying to learn to

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garden just a little bit. So we've got tomato plants. I planted some, uh, romaine lettuce, but I,
I let it get too tall and then it had like white sap on the inside of it. Break it off. So I'm like,
did I, I'm trying to learn. I got, okay, I got to let it grow too long. I don't know. Um, do you ever have
one of those, uh, what, I looked at those tower plant? You know, when some of those, those towers or

(01:32:47):
you can plant a bunch of variety of things, uh, you're looking at those things. Is that those
worth the hassle or, uh, 'cause I live in a, I live in Utah. So we've got four seasons here so you
can't grow stuff in the winter, obviously. Uh, but I thought maybe I can do something like that.
Cause I, I agree with you 100% because food is what that's one of the things that got me into
conspiracy thinking was because you, you really have to question the food supply and health and nutrition

(01:33:14):
and you find out all these things aren't necessarily what you thought they were and, you know,
I do agree with you there with the food sources. Is there, is there a good, uh, any good beginner tips
for me here? Um, I would say don't be afraid to start small if like the, the, the,
the capital, like the up front capital costs or something. Don't be afraid to fail and, and mess up

(01:33:37):
because that, that's all part of, you know, harnessing a skill. Like you said with your lettuce,
like now you know, you know, if it, if it gets too big too long, now you know that for sure,
that's probably always going to stick with you. Yeah. No doubt. And, and start, starting is the hardest
part. Um, if, if people are really wanting like, you know, good advice and things like that,

(01:33:58):
I'd encourage people go to like your local farmers market, uh, ask them how, ask the farmers how
they feel about like Monsanto and Bill Gates and, and stuff and all of mine seem to have given me
a response that makes me confident in working with them. Um, so that way like all of my meats, local,
um, and I'm putting it back into the community. Uh, I know it's not like full of all of these

(01:34:22):
additives, preservatives and stuff. And, um, you can get like excellent grow tips, especially for
like your area specifically, your, your top soil, the various things, uh, in your, uh,
immediate areas, as far as like the ecosystem, what grows best, what's good for the climate and stuff,
uh, from them. Um, and then don't be afraid to get your hands dirty. Yes, great, man. Good stuff.

(01:34:46):
Dude, well, you're doing awesome work, man. Tell the audience where they can find you and I'll
put these links in the show notes. Absolutely. Um, so you can find me on, uh, Elon's DARPA website,
uh, x.com. Um, you can find me on Peter Teals rumble, uh, and you can find me on Sergey Brins YouTube.
Oh, man. Do all my streams for now at least, right? Yeah. Yeah. For now, I've heard I've been shadow

(01:35:12):
band on rumble because people can't find my account. So I have to link it to them all the time. And
that's the first time I've ever heard someone getting shadow band on rumble. So that's pretty interesting.
Um, and then I have like a sub stack that I have neglected for a while now. I'm hoping to,
to get back into the swing of that. And then I do like merch and stuff that I make myself that's

(01:35:32):
like centered around my content. If people ever want to check that out, I'm making myself. So,
oh, where can we, where can we find that? Uh, that, that isn't the link tree in my, uh, Twitter bio.
And I usually link it in all my video descriptions and stuff. There's a merch option down at the bottom.
Cool, brother. All right, man. Well, I'll put the links to all that stuff in the show notes. Uh,
thanks for doing your, your great work, man. You got me, got me thinking twice about everything now.

(01:35:57):
And I think that's, I think that's a valuable service you're doing. And, uh, you know, I think the people
are, obviously, you know, the audience isn't intelligent enough. They can, they can dig into this and see
how nefarious their favorite truth there is. You know what I mean? Like, like, for, uh, like for Sam
Tripoli, for instance, you know, I've known him for years now. And, uh, I'll, I'll stand by it firmly

(01:36:18):
that he's a good dude. Um, this isn't an attack on your, your research. I'm just saying, uh, so like,
for that instance, exactly like, nah, I don't think Sam's implicated in anything from my experience
with the guy. Yeah. Some of these other characters. I don't know. I, I don't know them well enough. And
it, it definitely would make me question some of the things they say. And I think that's, I think that's

(01:36:40):
the goal of this is, uh, the conspiracy truth or movement has gotten so popular and so powerful
that it's, I argued the sort of new mainstream media. And with that comes a lot of influences and
financial influences and things we need to be concerned with. So it's, it's got me think it twice

(01:37:01):
now because I've, I've been critical of some sponsors I was offered. And I think it would be twice
as critical now. I mean, I'm happy. I, you know, if the coffee, that coffee company would hit me up,
I probably wouldn't think nothing of it. I'll do it. I love coffee. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, um, yeah,
I think it's, I think it's, I think it's, it's a good, good server to do. And so thanks for, for

(01:37:21):
all your hard work. Appreciate it. I appreciate you having me on here. Give me the opportunity. Talk,
show off my webs and stuff. Anytime you want me back and, and you want to dive deeper into something
we've touched here or a totally new topic, man, feel free. Yeah. Absolutely, man. You've given me so
much to think about in research. I'm going to be, I'm, especially interested in the stew Peter's,
Jesse Vincere drama. That's my first search after this. So anyways, yeah. Thanks for time. Appreciate it.

(01:37:46):
Hey, thanks, man. All right. There you go. You're now armed with the information. What you do with it
is up to you. And like he said, there's, there's sometimes there's smoke and you need to look for the
fire, right? And also, I wanted to follow up. He talks. We talked about the Jesse Vincere and

(01:38:14):
Stu Peter's thing. And I found the article online. And basically what the article claims is that
Stu Peters was falsely impersonating a Hollywood agent to be friend Jesse, Jesse Ventura son,
Tyrell Ventura. And he was living in the Ventura mansion for weeks. Enjoying all the little, you know,

(01:38:41):
I guess, I guess mansion privileges, cooking, laundry, food, all kinds of stuff. And Tyrell finally got
to got a little suspicious about about old Stu Peters being a grifter. So he called the police
to the background check and they booted him out of there. So that's, that's crazy. I didn't even know
about that because this was an early, I think the article would say it was 2000. Yeah, 2000 is when

(01:39:04):
that happened. And several years later, Stu Peters became a white rapper on the YouTube.
And now he's a very famous and prominent conspiracy theorist. So point being, the point being
just question some of these folks, you know what I mean? Sometimes they don't have your best
intentions. Sometimes they're looking out for themselves more than they're looking out for you.

(01:39:27):
And I like the seven C's. Subscribe to the same way of looking at this as I do, right? I want you to
question everybody, including me. I want you to do what's best for you when we're trying to
interpret reality and what's really going on. Sometimes conspiracy people, we get a little paranoid,

(01:39:48):
right? Including me. So I want you to know the biases of everyone you're taking your information
from and run it through an internal filter and try to make sense of what you can, right?
It's certainly not advocating to never listen to these people that he's talking about ever. Again,
you know, I'm friends with some of these people. So I like I talked about defending Sam
Tripoli because I'm like, no, I know Sam on, I mean, somewhat, right? Like we don't hang out in the weekends

(01:40:12):
or nothing like that. But every interaction I've had with the guy for years, he's one of the most
stand-up dudes I've ever met in the podcast game. So I, if he's done a sponsorship for one of these
companies, I'm throwing that right out the window. You know what I mean? And that's how some of these
people probably are to be fair, but maybe not, right? Maybe not. That's all he's saying. So good stuff.

(01:40:35):
Be sure to follow Seven Seas. The links are in the show notes as usual. And until next time, stay positive.
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