Shakespeare’s Secret Cult: Francis Bacon, Kubrick, Lynch & the Technocratic Gnosis with Robert Frederick!

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- Very excited for today's special episode.
It's a man I've been talking to for years.
It's Robert Frederick from The Hidden Life is Best Podcast
and he's gonna explain to us all about Shakespeare
and why you need to care about it.
Shakespeare was the OG of baking hidden symbolism
into works of art and he talks to us about what it's like

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to research Shakespeare, how there's a cult of Shakespeare,
his inspiration for the topics
and we'll get into the Shakespeare hoax connections
to Stan the Cooverick and David Lynch,
including a really cool story
about how Robert actually met and shook David Lynch's hand,
my god, so jealous.
And the impact that Shakespeare had on modern pop culture

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and then we talk about how it's very possible,
even likely that Francis Bacon was actually
the guy who wrote all the Shakespeare plays
and how he was using propaganda and siaops
for a British empire building
as well as some hidden rosy crucian symbolism
in Shakespeare's works and this future
that they've got planned for us of scientism,

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the gnostic religion of the technocracy.
We talk about Peter Teal, the digital matrix,
immortality, the whole work.
So stay tuned to this awesome episode.
This interview was great.
I can't wait to get back on here together with Robert
because he's got some interesting, interesting ideas
that you've got to listen to.
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- They were joined by a man who's been
on an unrelenting journey to expose
one of the biggest kept secrets in all of entertainment.
The truth behind Shakespeare.
He's the mastermind behind the Hidden Life
His Best Podcast and Substack,
which has painstakingly tracked a man named Francis Bacon,

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who he believes is the most influential person
who ever lived.
This interview has been literally in the years making.
So join us today as we break down the real global history
with our special guest, Robert Frederick.
Welcome to the show.
- Hello, Isaac.
You know, I feel like I know you already
'cause we've been talking on email for so long
and I've listened to your Hidden Life His Best Podcast series.

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There's a lot to get through it.
I know there's not a chance
that we're gonna get through it in an hour,
but what I'd like to start out with is knowing a little bit,
'cause we're gonna nerd out on Shakespeare
and Francis Bacon and stuff like that,
but I gotta know more about you
and I want you to share as much or as little as you want

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'cause I know you're a very private guy.
Even like is Robert Frederick a pseudonym?
What guy you into all this?
Do you have a red pill daddy out there
that you wanna say hi to?
Were you a conspiracy guy?
Are you a conspiracy guy?
I have my suspicions.
You know, maybe some formative interest growing up.
What goes far back as you want, give us, you know,

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a rundown of who you are and what inspires you
and such like that?
- Well, first of all, Isaac, I'm a fanboy of yours.
- Oh, you are after a good star,
Flattery, or a spray with me.
So yeah, yeah, thank you.
I appreciate that because you know,
listening to your Hidden Life His Best Podcast,
you're a very intelligent guy for sure.
So like I always like it when people are like,

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really impressive to me that listen to my dumb ass.
So I appreciate that.
- I remember you're incognito days, even.
- Yeah, yeah, you were telling me that
you used to read the blogging days back when I tried
to make it blogging, but, you know, yeah, thanks.
Appreciate that.
- I'm impressed.
You're the hardest for a man in show business.
- Except for Sam triple E.

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- Oh really?
Okay.
- I think Sam's got me beat.
- Could be, that's right.
He's got like five shows or something.
- Yeah, yeah, he doesn't stop.
And then he's on the road doing comedy shows.
I don't know how he does it, but.
- But yeah, so it's been a lot of fun listening to you
over the years.
I'm a longtime New York City resident.
I studied art.
I came here for the art world and the intellectual ferment.

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And let's see, always wondering why the world was so screwed up
when, yeah, I traveled a lot, a lot of different jobs.
Almost everyone I meet was decent, reasonably intelligent,
fair-minded, wise, the world so screwed up.
You know, studying history, reading,

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always love literature, studied cinema,
just trying to absorb, just always wanted to know everything.
Just, as an artist, songwriter,
like I even wrote a song once I want to know everything,
which I guess Jimmy Hendrix did too.
But at any rate, I started focusing on the British Empire
as the cause of much of the problems in the world,

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which just started making more and more sense to me
as I went along.
And then one day I was listening to a podcast,
Susquehanna River Alchemy by Michael Wann.
It wasn't a podcast, it was a video he made.
And he even had a map.
And he started talking about, it was about Jamestown,
the founding of Jamestown on the Susquehanna River,

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which is a major river that runs through New York State,
which I used to live on this river.
And it flows all the way down to the Chesapeake Bay
where Jamestown was settled.
So my ears are pricking up,
'cause he's talking about the Susquehanna River,
Jamestown, British Empire, right?
It's the first successful colony in America in 1607.

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He starts talking about Francis Bacon,
and he says, "Francis Bacon was involved
in the settling of Jamestown."
And my ears just pricked up,
'cause Bacon was already on my radar
as kind of a key component of the British Empire,
which I was really zeroing in on.
And I said, "Okay, I'm gonna,

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"I gotta look into Francis Bacon."
And then this crazy synchronicity happened,
which I won't go into, I've talked about it before.
Like just this earth shattering synchronicity
around Francis Bacon, and it was like,
"Okay, message received, I'll study Francis Bacon."
And I just started reading everything I could about him,
and it was sort of like you're walking along

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and you see like a penny in the ground, in the grass,
and you, or it turns into a finger and a hand,
and you dig around the earth, and you keep pulling it out,
it turns out to be a sculpture that's on top of a building,
and you keep digging, and there's a mansion,
and then you keep digging, and there's just more and more revealed,

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and that's what it felt like with Bacon.
'Cause not only is there in overwhelming evidence
that he was William Shakespeare,
he's amongst, you know, Normie historians,
known as the Father of Modern Science.
He's also one of the greatest lawyers in English history,
who became Lord Chancellor, Attorney General,

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and Lord Chancellor,
but not only that, he strongly associated with the Rose accrucians,
and then what I found out is he's very strongly associated
with Freemasonry.
So yeah, dig into the conspiracy stuff,
which I'm definitely a conspiracy guy,

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and the relationship of Freemasonry to conspiracy,
and then the occult,
and then he just dig further into Francis Bacon's life,
and it was just like, wow, this is really, really crazy,
and after a couple years, I was like,
I'm gonna write a book, and why don't I just do a podcast
while I'm writing the book?
'Cause there's just so much information.

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There's like six huge areas of information
from the British Empire, from William Shakespeare,
to the birth of science, to Freemasonry, you know,
there are huge topics.
So I'm kind of swimming in this sea of information,
just trying to digest it and put it out
in interesting chunks of information.

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While I write this book, and you know, I'm on a mission.
- I respect that.
Yeah, you do fascinating research on this,
because like I said, I've listened to,
I'm not up to date on Hidden Life is best,
but I listened to the first couple of years of podcast
you did on it, and it's an interesting subject,

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because the British Empire, which, you know,
I'm a public school student.
I don't know much about English history.
In the Jason Louvre book about John D,
it's rich in the history of the British Empire,
and half the stuff to talk about just goes over my head.
I'm like, I don't know what they're talking about.
And I find like a lot of the stuff you have to research

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is in that similar vein.
And it's interesting you bought up Michael Wong,
'cause he was one of my first guests.
I imagine maybe you, I don't know if you heard our interview
forever ago.
I mean, I literally think it was maybe the,
I mean, he had to be the one of the first 10 guests for sure.
Really?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's interesting because we bonded because he and I,

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you know, I grew up in Lancaster, PA,
which the Susquehanna River runs through.
Whoa, I'm getting the chills.
Yeah, so it's pretty crazy that you brought that up as well,
because he has this sort of, from what I,
you know, going back in my memory banks,
he had this whole idea about various sort of occult magical powers
about the Susquehanna, 'cause I believe he was from York,

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PA, which is right next to Lancaster.
And it's interesting you bring that up because the Susquehanna
runs up to Bainbridge, New York,
which ties into something else we,
we're not gonna get into right now.
I'm just kind of tossing us out there for now before I forget.
Lyndon Baines Johnson.
Lyndon Baines Johnson, which is in the James Shelby Downard

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King Kill 33 document because James Shelby Downard ties
Lyndon Baines Johnson with the Baines clan,
which comes through, he thinks,
this sort of synchromistic connection to Macbeth,
which is a Shakespeare play,
which we've talked about on email,
some of the ideas of Macbeth,
which let's throw this out here.

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You told me to watch the Polansky Macbeth
and I let you down.
I actually put it on my little cue,
and I saw that there was a newer Denzel Washington Macbeth
and I was like, okay, let me watch that.
And I made it maybe 10 minutes and I was like,
bro, I don't even know what they're saying.
I don't know the words they're using.
It's very confusing for me.
- Yeah, you gotta watch the Polansky.

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- Oh, is that more like down to earth?
- Oh, yeah.
- Polansky, you're gonna love it.
- Okay, all right.
Yeah, 'cause Polansky's obviously very plugged
into all that occult stuff, but exactly.
- I'll bump that up in my little,
yeah, it's kind of a must see,
especially 'cause the connection to Shell Be Downard,
which I didn't even know.

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And especially to the British Empire
and everything we're gonna talk about today,
it's a great, it's a great entrée
into the world of Shakespeare.
- Excellent, yeah, 'cause I don't,
I actually know, I mean virtually nothing about Shakespeare.
I just, I never read it.
I wasn't into the arts or anything like that ever.
- I didn't either.
Somehow I escaped getting it in high school.

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My kids have all gotten it, you know, a lot of it.
Most people do, that's part of the thing.
- Oh, yeah, that's it.
- For me, I don't remember taking one thing
or just class where we talked about Shakespeare.
- Yeah, and so I always wanted to,
I got to know about Shakespeare.
What do people mean when they say,
fall staff or a yago?
I need to know what they mean.
Full disclosure, I did see Mel Gibson do Hamlet

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back in the 80s.
You probably weren't born yet.
That was the big movie.
- I was born 79.
- Okay, so you were five.
(laughing)
That's a good movie.
Another good movie for folks,
if they wanna get in to Shakespeare's
Mel Gibson's Hamlet from the 80s.

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- He started it or he like, correct it.
- He started it, he was Hamlet.
I can barely remember it,
but I'm telling you, all the big stars
gotta do Shakespeare.
- Okay.
- Even to this day, Timothy Shalame,
Mr. Bob Dylan, he did Henry V and Henry VI
just before doing Dylan.
- Oh really?
- I feel like everyone has to do Shakespeare Denzel.

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I was like, I didn't even know he did make math,
but he's doing a fellow on Broadway right now.
- Oh really?
- It's kind of demeaning for a black guy to do.
- I don't know anything about a fellow on it.
- Oh, a fellow, so the black Shakespeare play
where it's supposedly about racism,
but it's not, but this black guy kills his beautiful wife

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'cause Iago plays with his head so effectively.
And Iago is considered to be one of the most evil people
in all of literature.
So those are one of the top five, six Shakespeare plays
as a fellow, you know, Macbeth, Hamlet.
They're all super intense, they're super occult,
and they're drenched in all this intense meaning.

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That's exactly what you do with pop culture now
and the pop culture movies, the way you analyze them,
I do with the Shakespeare plays.
The difference being is that there's 400 years
of heavy duty, high level intellectual criticism
of the Shakespeare plays that's way over the top.

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It's literally a religion.
What I've discovered is Shakespeare became a religion.
So what do you mean?
Like the critics or the scholars are both.
Oh my God, it's so intense, Isaac.
They just love Shakespeare so much.
I should have some quotes handy for what people say about him.

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He's next to God.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Oh my God, I'm still blown away.
I'm still blown away and I'm just now,
let me just assemble the quotes.
And very few people have bucked that trend.
I mean, you can count two well-known intellectuals

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over the centuries that have said
something's wrong with Shakespeare.
I'm in that tiny little club
and it's like this enormous amount wrong with Shakespeare
and those two are Leo Tolstoy, the famous Russian writer,
author of Warren Pease and a credit.
And one of the greatest writers of all time,

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he's one of the very few
and he was very public about it.
Like something's wrong with Shakespeare.
I'm something is wrong.
And he wrote a whole book about it, which I haven't read yet,
but I've read quotes.
So then all the critics are like,
what's wrong with Tolstoy that he doesn't like Shakespeare?
How could he possibly not like Shakespeare?
So there's that one debate in this other of famous

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Sherman or Austrian philosopher named Ludwig Wittensdien,
one of the top philosophers of the 20th century.
Kind of a hip guy also is on record
as finding something wrong with Shakespeare.
Otherwise, it's virtual nonstop praise
and there's an essay of mine on substack called,
Why the Shakespeare hoax is so important

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and it goes through exactly how Shakespeare literally
became a religion in England and America,
primarily a called Bardolatry, it became the snake name.
And the statues of him and the books about him
and there's books called the Shakespeare Concordance,
which I just found in a used bookstore.
Every single word of every single Shakespeare play

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is listed in dictionary form in which play it's in
and the line in which it's used.
And there are whole libraries dedicated to Shakespeare
and you can get PhDs in Shakespeare.
And if you wanna study a play,
you've gotta get into that play and get the art in addition

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and they examine literally every word in that play
will be examined where it came from.
Was it in the first folio?
Was it in the quartos?
What does it mean?
How does it shake out?
Did he invent it?
Because the guy was so phenomenal
in terms of the number words he invented.
And what they found over the centuries

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was how much intense depth and density is in these plays
and how many ancient philosophers and philosophies
and history and ideas are stuffed into these plays
that nobody noticed for like 100 or 150 years
'cause there was no such thing as English departments.
People didn't study literature.

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They just went to the plays and saw them.
So yeah, it's literally, Shakespeare's literally
a religion, I feel comfortable saying that.
- Okay, so you think it, you would put it on par
with how a Kubrick film that was made 50 years ago
we're still unpacking it and trying to find

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a little human meanings.
- 100% that.
Kubrick studied Shakespeare.
Kubrick's first film where the guys floating down
to the river, have you seen that one?
- No, I haven't.
I haven't seen any of Kubrick films, which is hard to believe.
- We gave her $500, whatever.
I think there might be one famous actor in it.
It's really good movie, but it's centered around

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the Shakespeare play, The Tempest.
One of the guys thinks he's a magician
like Prospera on The Tempest, which is another
super famous Shakespeare play, which has all this intense
occult symbolism in it.
But Kubrick definitely came out of Shakespeare
and that stuffing of symbolism in the plays

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is totally Shakespearean and Kubrick's.
- Yeah, obviously a master of it.
- Yeah, absolutely.
It's exactly the same.
He's ever set up for 50 years.
I would say it's been going on for, you know,
in earnest 150 years.
Because the first English department at Harvard
wasn't until 1870.

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So let's say 160 years, people have been tearing
apart the Shakespeare play is looking for clues.
The way you tear apart Kubrick, exactly.
- Okay, so-- - The comparison.
- Okay, okay, so is there, is, so trying to like understand
why people like Shakespeare so much, is it,
because I'm assuming you consumed the plays

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in variety of forms or so, are the stories,
like really that great or do people just pay homage,
like as if, you know, kind of like the Beatles, right?
Like, I, the Beatles was before my time.
I can respect them for sure and I can look back
to the history of music and be like, oh yeah, I can see how
they came along in a sort of revolutionized

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the sound of rock music.
I can respect that, but like, you're not gonna find any
Beatles tracks on my playlist, like I don't listen to them,
but I respect it.
Is Shakespeare kind of like that or is Shakespeare
when you watch this stuff and you really like,
kind of understand what he's saying?
You're like, wow, this really is great.
This is better than any, you know, Stanley Kubrick movie.
(laughing)
- That's a really good question.

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I have a lot of thoughts about that because,
it's not something you really like at first.
It's an acquired taste, but once you get it,
you sort of want to know more and you want to dig in
and know more.
- Like, it's kind of like Twin Peaks maybe a little bit.

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- Yeah.
- Maybe, did you ever watch Twin Peaks?
- I sure did.
I sure did. - I did, okay, okay.
- I watched it when it came out.
I don't think I ever finished it.
- Oh, you're one of those.
- I remember telling you, you sent out a tweet going,
it's just Twin Peaks worth it and I'd correct that.
And not really, man, you know, it's really,
it ends really weird.
But of course, I didn't understand

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it's called symbolism back then.
That was the 80s, right?
I didn't know what I was looking at.
- So did you finish the season two back in 1990 or did you--
- I think I finished season two.
I mean, back in the day it was on TV.
You had to turn on TV on Thursday afternoon nights
or whenever it was on.
It was great.
No, I loved it.
- But you couldn't get into season three, the return.

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- I never watched it.
- I mean, that was a few years later, right?
- It was a 2017, you know, 25 years later.
And it's the best, the first time I watched it,
I was like, I don't really know about this.
And then it was just like you're saying,
the reason I'm bringing this up is because it's just like
you're saying I got through season three

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and I couldn't get it out of my mind.
I just thought, what was that?
That was kind of strange.
But there was something there.
It wasn't just weird for the sake of being weird.
And now I kind of, if you had to ask me to pick which season
of Twin Peaks, I mean, I think I'd have to go with season three
because I kind of think it's just a genius format of,

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lynching frost, working in,
all this is called symbolism of messaging
and sort of earwarming a dream into your head
is what it feels like.
And you want to sort of like go back,
it's like when you wake up from a dream,
you want to go back in the dream.
So it feels like that's an amazing comparison
because I've just been digging into a mid-Summer night's dream
by Shakespeare, which I think is the core play

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for all this stuff, like the earworm thing,
the way it grabs you.
Oh, okay.
I'm sure lynch is a student of Shakespeare
and some Shakespeare movies, especially a mid-Summer night's dream.
Shakespeare is really into dreams.
David Lynch is really into dreams.
I heard him speak, I met him.
David Lynch?

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Yeah, I have a signed copy of his book.
What?
Yep.
Catching the big fish.
Oh my goodness.
Shakans with him.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Geez.
Jealous.
His teeth were messed up, bro.
Drinks a lot of coffee and smokes a lot of cigarettes.
I imagine so.
And he gave me that smile.

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He gave me that weird smile I'll never feel it.
That's great.
Was he at a college or something?
No, he was at a bookstore.
And long islands in the town my mother-in-law was from.
I was driving by the bookstore.
It was a big sign in the front.
And what's David Lynch doing here?
He put that book out catching the big fish.

(27:19):
Was he taking the talk?
No, so I saw that talk when he talked about meditation
with Jerry Seinfeld.
Have you seen that?
No, I've never seen that.
He's a big meditator.
What's that called?
Transcendental meditation.
He's a big transcendental meditation guy.
Oh, interesting.

(27:40):
And so is Jerry Seinfeld.
You can go on YouTube and they talk together.
It seems like a dream.
I'm like, was I there?
Did I see them?
Well, I didn't.
But I know that he gives a great talk
about transcendental meditation.
Jerry Seinfeld comes out and talks about it.
I didn't know Seinfeld was into it.
Yeah, I've seen a video of Lynch explaining TM.

(28:02):
And it's fascinating the way he describes it.
And I was like, OK, this is every sort of youngy and thing
about tapping into a collective unconscious.
Right.
And he said he only got one idea for one of his movies
from a dream.
Everything here.
That's what he said.
He said, one idea.
I can't walk up from a dream.
And I had a solution for my films.

(28:25):
I don't really know how David Lynch works.
He's kept that a secret where all this stuff comes from.
I felt like-- so I watched--
I'm not a huge-- believe this or not.
I'm not a huge David Lynch fan, because my first Lynch movie
I saw as a teen was lost highway simply
because I liked the soundtrack.
And I was really into like nine-inch nails back then.
Still in.

(28:46):
But I watched Lost Highway.
And I was like, what the hell is this?
And I was like, that was weird.
And then I didn't watch anything else from him
until I got into Twin Peaks a couple years ago.
I obviously obsessed with Twin Peaks.
And then I watched Mulholland Drive, which it was fine.
I liked it.
I'm not obsessed with it like everyone is.
It's fine.
And then I watched Eraserhead.

(29:07):
And when I watched Eraserhead, I saw so many parallels
with Twin Peaks.
And I thought, this guy bookended his career
at the beginning and the end with virtually the same--
what I think is he just had a dream.
And he was trying to show us these things about the dream.
But I don't know why it grabs me so hard, but it does.
But that's the perfect analogy.

(29:29):
Is that you get bit and you start in.
And then there's so much to learn.
And you keep finding out more stuff.
And you feel like you're learning stuff.
And you're being entertained.
It's the same with Shakespeare.
And then with Shakespeare, it would be like everyone
took Twin Peaks and remade it.

(29:49):
Like let's say Twin Peaks was only three or four hours long.
And there were 20 versions of it.
That's like Shakespeare.
Hamlet is actually four hours long.
It usually gets cut to three hours.
And imagine you could see five different famous actors
all playing Hamlet and doing it slightly differently.
That's just one aspect of Shakespeare, where it gets fast.

(30:12):
And oh, they did it in a castle in Scotland.
Oh, they did it in an office building in Manhattan.
You change the setting, changes the meaning.
There's that whole aspect of Shakespeare.
And then there's just the plays themselves.
You find with Twin Peaks, you start going in.
And there's all these cross meanings and double meanings

(30:32):
and strange loose ends.
But with Shakespeare, it's they've become like national myths.
Like it's interesting that your generation
is probably the first that's not really saturated in Shakespeare.
But there's probably-- you probably

(30:55):
can't go through the day without using an expression
that came out of Shakespeare.
I could so saturated.
You know, I'm interested in--
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(33:45):
I mean, Regener, but I'm a dumbass that hangs out with dumbasses.
I guess I don't know.
It's just not been a thing that I've ever crossed paths with.
And that's, and literally I think watching the Macbeth with Denzel.
And it was my first attempt.
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Okay, cool. Yeah, I look forward to that.

(34:07):
Actually, there's something about,
because it was this movie from the 70s.
I actually like 70s movies.
Probably, I don't know, more than any other John Decker scenes.
So these days, 70s movies, I like that like grit to it.
I don't know what it is.
I agree.
So tell me about Shakespeare, because you,
I know we've been talking about them,

(34:29):
but you've got a pretty comprehensive theory that there is this claim
that Shakespeare actually wasn't written by a man named Shakespeare.
And this is where you must have friction with the cult of Shakespeare.
Could you walk us through why you say that?
And what that means exactly?

(34:51):
So what I'm saying there is absolutely nothing new.
It started,
oh, if you go into the weeds,
the rumors started immediately.
Shakespeare was also a poet.
He wrote a poem called Venus and Adonis.
Very sexual, palm, kind of bloody.
And immediately chatter started in London.

(35:13):
During the time of Queen Elizabeth,
other poets, because like,
if you ever heard of answer songs,
there must be a rap answer song.
Somebody puts a track out and then there's a diss track.
And then, yeah.
So in the old days, we would call that answer songs.
In Elizabethan era, there'd be answer poems.
And someone said, "Yo, that's bacon.
Come on.

(35:35):
I'm paraphrasing."
They said it in very elliptical language.
So the rumors started immediately.
They died away.
In the middle of the 1800s,
a woman, an American woman named Delia Bacon, no relation.
Realize that there, that, because like I said,
people didn't really study literature until about that time.

(35:57):
And study the life of William Shakespeare until about that time.
And she put two and two together and said,
"These plays are so dense.
There's no way this guy, William Shakespeare,
from Stratford upon Avon wrote them.
Because it turns out,
despite having written 36 plays and hundreds of poems,

(36:19):
there's not a single surviving manuscript in William Shakespeare's hand.
There's not a single letter from him,
to him or from him at all.
His parents were illiterate.
He was illiterate.
The only records of him are that he was a grain dealer,
a real estate investor,
a part-time actor,
and a part-time theater owner.

(36:41):
Since that time, further research has confirmed that nobody actually
wrote about him as a writer while he was alive.
And he died in 1616,
and seven years later came this big book called The First Folio,
with all 36 Shakespeare plays.
And an introduction that suggested William Shakespeare,

(37:05):
Stratford upon Avon,
the sweet swan of Avon,
gentle William wrote these plays.
And then there was a Civil War in England,
and then the theaters were shut down,
and it was only around 150 years later
that his plays started to get put on regularly

(37:29):
with a lot of attention.
They were put on before that.
And like I'm saying,
somewhere somebody has a record of every single Shakespeare play.
Every time it was performed in the 1600s and 1700s and 1800s.
Like the obsession around Shakespeare is freakish.
It'd be like there's a million of you,

(37:51):
where you are with twin peaks.
There'd be like hundreds of thousands of you with Shakespeare books,
after books, after books, after books.
So she said no way could William Shakespeare have written these plays,
because they're packed with ancient philosophy,
ancient history, current history, medicine, law,

(38:13):
falconry, soldiery, weather, astronomy, astrology.
People didn't realize how dense they are.
They just kind of enjoyed them for the drama, which are very intense.
Some of the plays are extremely violent, like shockingly violent,
where women get raped and have their hands cut off,

(38:35):
and their tongue pulled out, things like that,
like really intense crazy stuff.
There's comedies.
He was considered the only playwright that could do comedies and tragedies.
And a kind of a cult developed out of the schools,
but also out of the playwright.
So if you're an actor and you learn the play,
you do it night after night after night,

(38:57):
it kind of goes into your bones.
So plays also were super important in the 1800s and 1900s,
because there was no TV.
People went to the theater.
And in England, it was pretty much all Shakespeare,
wall-to-wall Shakespeare, all through the 1800s,

(39:19):
and the early 1900s, and it's really like a cult of Shakespeare.
And each play becomes sort of a world you can go into,
just like Twin Peaks, that you can examine this character.
And then what you'll find is the characters are extremely complex.
They're psychologically really dense.
There's no easy answers.

(39:41):
There's rarely one character who's really good or really bad.
And so people like Sigmund Freud were really inspired by Shakespeare.
Sigmund Freud said psychoanalysis is Shakespeare made into a science.
Writers like Friedrich Nietzsche, you love Shakespeare.
Great music came out of Shakespeare,

(40:03):
like the Mendelssohn Wedding March that you've heard.
You've heard all these kind of like a spin-offs from Shakespeare,
because it's just been so intensely influential in our culture,
not to mention the 15,000 words he used.
But I think they're saying he invented over a thousand words,

(40:25):
many of which we use every day.
They just started in Shakespeare.
I should have a list of them here so I could read them.
But they're just very common words.
So he's had this enormous influence on our lives.
And what gets really shocking is that number one,
he's got this reputation of being a balm for the soul, a humanist,

(40:51):
a lover of humanity, and even kind of a populist.
But you get into the plays and you find they're actually heavily slanted towards royalty,
and the hierarchy, and the elite, he trashes commoners constantly.
There's enormous hatred of women in them, like women are constantly tortured in these plays.

(41:13):
And I just started noticing this extraordinary darkness in the plays.
And then it started with Macbeth.
It was the first one I took a good look at.
And I could not believe what came out.
And then since that time, that was about three years ago, I realized that these plays are actually tied into building the empire

(41:41):
that Francis Bacon wanted an empire.
And so I started off with wondering how the British Empire got going and its impact on the world.
And I think I found a man that literally started it.
Other people take it back to John D.
But Bacon and John D were very close to each other in proximity.

(42:03):
There's very few meetings between them.
But I think that's because they kept it on the down low.
And that Bacon D was the big occult guy.
And then Bacon was the guy that flipped to science.
Bacon's known as the Father of Modern Science.
And all the history books, you can go to Wikipedia, Father of Modern Science.

(42:27):
He is supposedly the one that's made the big shift from alchemy and magic to science.
And as you know, the word chemistry comes from alchemy.
And that was one of the first real sciences.
But he's known as that guy.
And if we fast forward to today, science is kind of ruling the world with, you know, the technocracy.

(42:51):
So we're back in Courtney's technocracy and the darken waitement, as you call it.
Which originated with Francis Bacon because he wrote a book called New Atlantis.
His probably his most famous book, Outside of Shakespeare, Winky Face.
And that book published the year he died is the first ever illustration of a technocracy.

(43:19):
It's about an island that's focused on science and where the scientists are worshipped.
They're literally worshipped.
It's the island of science and science is king.
And Bacon prophesied this Peter teal Elon Musk technocracy.
He's talking about even such that Peter feel just gave an interview to the New York Times with this conservative one conservative op-ed writer.

(43:49):
They have Russ do that or do that.
Now that he named Rob Francis Bacon three times.
Peter feel so he's.
Bacon is directly connected to this darken light meant and then you put in the occult.
It's all there. It's all you man.
100%.

(44:10):
Well, it's interesting. I actually watched that interview and took notes on it.
I'm trying to write a darken lightman book here someday here.
Oh, we should compare notes. I have notes too on it.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, because he talks about Francis Bacon and he even refers to this pursuit of immortality because that's of course the end game.
And that's what they want.
Now, I'm going to come right back to technocracy. I want to quick sort of button up the Shakespeare talk.

(44:37):
Are you are you suggesting that Francis Bacon?
Because this is where I get confused here. So like Shakespeare the person Shakespeare from avalan or whatever his name is.
Do you think that that they because there's theories that that wasn't really the name of the guy who wrote this stuff.

(44:58):
Are you saying that Francis Bacon was the guy who actually wrote all of the Shakespeare plays.
Yes, William Shakespeare was a front man.
He existed. He was a real person. He was in London.
Oh, okay.
But he'd born and died and stratford upon a even which is three miles journey from London in the old days.

(45:21):
So he was a real person and he was involved at that famous theater called the Globe Theater in London whose motto was all the world's a stage.
He certainly knew Bacon is the evidence is clear that he was given a large sum of money to use his name and for him to keep his mouth shut and he did.
Why would Francis Bacon do that? Why wouldn't he just take all the accolades?

(45:46):
So that's in my last essay too.
It's called why the Shakespeare hoax is so important because nobody would have worshiped Francis Bacon.
Bacon knew they needed a national poet for empire. The Greeks had a Homer.

(46:07):
You're Greek, right? No, my wife is. Okay.
So the Greek empire had Homer. Everyone talked about Homer all the time. He pulled them together. That epic Iliad in the Odyssey was Greek. You know, we're Greeks.
The Romans had Virgil, which which which actually picked up at the end of the Iliad and the battle for Troy and the Romans feel their descendants of the Greeks and Virgil wrote a poem called the Anide.

(46:37):
Which he was the national poet of Rome. And when he wrote it was like we are Romans.
And he solidified Rome from the heart, you know, poetry is from the heart.
And the national poets pull a nation together and Francis Bacon because he's so brilliant knew that England needed a national poet.

(47:02):
It couldn't be him. It couldn't be anyone he knew because they were all close to the kings.
It would be obvious that these plays were meant to bolster the monarchy and bolster the elite and create this sense of reverence for power and the elite that Shakespeare plays do, by the way.

(47:24):
So he had to be a frontman that you could make mythic. It had to he had this this frontman kind of had to have a mythic almost country boy image almost similar to Jesus.
You know, this this nobody from nowhere who becomes the great prophet. I think I think William Shakespeare's myth is modeled on the story of Jesus.
Again, consciously by Francis Bacon because he was so brilliant and because he knew the myths he understood the power of myth.

(47:53):
So we're back in a territory of young and Freud and and the modern psychologist bacon was there, you know, 400 years ago, you know, which would be 200 years before Freud and young.
The power of myth. So he created a myth. He created this myth of the country, pumpkin.
Who who by divine really by divine, they say Shakespeare had a divine inspiration. How else could it be like he doesn't seem to have gone to school.

(48:22):
He doesn't seem to have owned any books. I can't find a single book that Shakespeare had wronged.
So before people got skeptical, they were like, wow, he just he's just English man. He just had that thing.
And I believe that Bacon instilled that sense of English exceptionalism that grew in the people and made them feel comfortable with building an empire.

(48:48):
Like this is our destiny. We are the descendants of the Greeks and the Romans. We are the English. We are destined to take over the world.
And the world needs us to take them over is actually the story they created with people like HG Wells.
And what's his name, Cecil Rhodes and Alfred Milner in the late 1800s. It reached a fever peak. Even wrote books about it called the Open Conspiracy where you know, English culture should dominate the planet.

(49:21):
Where are the best? And they really believe that. You know, it's changed a lot of course, but that's why he didn't want the props that it needed to go to a mythic man called William Shakespeare.
And anyway, I could go on and on and on that whole name Shakespeare is is made up the guys real name was Shaq Spur.

(49:46):
But it was so close to shake spear that he couldn't refuse. Probably why they chose the guy.
Because it could be turned into a name that was very meaningful to Francis Bacon. That's fascinating. Yeah, that's exactly what Mr. Gates had a series called the Jupiter turn series way back in the day that I was into.

(50:09):
And he talked about Shakespeare back then. I didn't pay a ton of attention to it, but I do remember him talking about the name and the derivation of it.
And it was kind of concocted. So that's interesting that you would you would say all that because that that makes sense when you frame in that way because I can wrap my head around how these dark enlightenment characters like Peter teal.

(50:32):
Because I think you got the same sort of metaphor right like Peter teal once the dark enlightenment and Peter teal had the funds he could have ran for president he could have been the president, but he maybe thought well maybe Trump's like the archetype of someone that can be the face because Trump's very charismatic right.
And maybe he can sort of puppeteer from behind the scenes to get what he wants, which is maybe what Francis Bacon and the empire the British Empire were doing with this this beyond named Shakespeare, I guess.

(51:06):
So that makes sense when you put it that way for sure.
And that takes us into this technocracy idea because the you know, when I interviewed Courtney about her ideas on plan B you emailed me and that's what got this ball roll into finally get this interview on the books my apologies.
For so many years we've been talking about this and the the new Atlantis book that Francis Bacon has is about a sort of you know the new Atlantis is about a scientific technocracy that we've been talking about with the dark enlightenment series.

(51:41):
Just like you said, Peter teal is what's one of his favorite books.
Yeah, he's on record is saying that tell me what you see happening what what do you think do you think that there's a lineage of Peter teal and some illuminati insiders who are obsessed with Shakespeare and Francis Bacon and this idea of a British empire and a new Atlantis.

(52:05):
And he's trying to sort of implement that for this group or do you think this is just pure coincidence that Peter teal wants a technocracy government and maybe he was inspired by these thoughts 400 years later.
I think we get into the Arab nosticism now where it's really more the elites and the commoners.

(52:30):
And it kind of goes back to the rose accrucians which I think Francis Bacon was the rose accrucian movement there probably wasn't invisible college of you know people in that thing I know how much you know about the rose accrucians but they're kind of.
Yeah, because they also have a sort of mythical mythic Christian Rosencruz who didn't exist also mythic mythic founder mythic leader and the first sentences we're going to change the world the world is on that verge of.

(53:05):
Reformation I forget the very first sentence of the first manifesto.
Declare's you know the world is about to change is talking about science which is talking about the Coney and science still had me just come out and bacon's books.
And it also talked about life extension and ending old age.

(53:29):
Right out of the bat the rose accrucians are the first transhumanists and and the rear they're really talking about technocracy and transhumanism in a very veiled way in a mythic way in a storytelling way drove everyone crazy lit a firestorm in France and Germany and everyone with these rose accrucians I want to meet them I want to join them.

(53:53):
One rose accrucian ever came forth was all this elaborate hoax probably based on an invisible college included people like John D G or Donna Bruno and what's his name Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa the great magician.
So I think Peter Teel's part of that tradition of the they they self made elect I don't know if he's part of a secret society that that teaches that which is what free Masonry teaches that you are special you're part of the elect.

(54:31):
You know which is what British exceptionalism taught those people that came out of but they're called public schools in England but we would call them private schools boarding schools your special you know you have special blood that whole bloodline thing your your British you're the elect deserved to rule the world.
The sense that you're special and elect is a nostic concept which is the religion began around the time of Christ and it's probably the only really really original religious idea because most religious ideas are recycled even this idea of one God other cultures have had that idea there's there's just one God.

(55:20):
But the Nostics believe that the God that created this world was evil and created this world to trap our souls here.
That there's another God beyond that God who's the real God he's just so distant and he kind of doesn't know what's happening over here on earth.

(55:42):
He got to drop the ball but that's cool because he created everything and he's the God and the son represents that God not the creator God and the creator God has built this world of death and evil that is a prison they literally believe this the Nostics so that they're justified in in tearing down the world if they want or or trying to escape it.

(56:11):
And any way or understanding that there's no distinction between good and evil so there's there's no conventional morality is another aspect of Nosticism and that religion had many different sex and I think it definitely connects through to Elizabeth and England there's Queen Elizabeth there one of the earliest Nostics sex with the O fights.

(56:37):
Also known as the Naa scenes which means snake or serpent and Greek so there you'll see Queen Elizabeth with the serpent on her arm which I think is a reference to Nosticism and it doesn't mean they're evil doesn't mean they're Satanist doesn't mean they sign their name in blood.
It does mean that they think they are the elect and then from there there's all sorts of permutations and types of sex that believe in the stuff and I do think Peter teal is part of that fact and how he's connected to it.

(57:11):
I don't know it could be that he he thinks everyone should live forever but he was so brokenhearted in the interview that big Coney and science had stopped advancing and.
He didn't look like he was going to live forever right did you get that five yeah he seemed like he was really upset about how technology wasn't accelerating at the pace he wanted it to and he's like frantic to you know make sure we roll out a eyes fastest humanly possible which is what we're seeing with you know our global governments everywhere is.

(57:48):
Feeling of AI is as fast as they possibly can and it's.
I go back and forth on whether or not I think that's actually dangerous or not because part of me when I use AI I think wow that's really impressive I can see how this thing could evolve to appear sentient at some point but then part of me also thinks.

(58:11):
These are the nerds that watch science fiction and believe it wholeheartedly and they you know 100 years ago they thought we were going to be living on Mars and out in the living on other planets which I don't think is possible I don't either so I don't know I go back and forth with we are secure.
We can't leave it's true yeah no and I don't know if I don't know sometimes I mean if you forced me to pick I do believe there that it's possible they're going to find some kind of digital matrix plan where we can.

(58:48):
You know replicate reality so well that you put on this little neural ink cap and you can live not a mortally or internally but you can you can live in a goob odd like the matrix and I think that's possible I don't know I don't know now you're.
You're probably against that idea scientists don't know how a single thought comes into our brain because we're just a chemical soup not one thought that's a good point they don't know why we sleep talk about dreams they don't know how or why we dream they don't know how memories are formed they don't know why we sleep.

(59:21):
I mean there's they they're so full of themselves to think they're that close it's comical but it's also scary because they're making these machines that.
Now these bombs 24 hours surveillance have fun with your toys just don't you know don't destroy and don't try to make a prison the irony is that they think the world is a prison so they're making the world a prison.

(59:47):
Absolutely yeah that that connection isn't lost on me at all I think the same things in in fact when when I talk to my wife about all this stuff because she talks a lot to her chat GPT and.
Oh no.
And it the chat you know it depends if we believe if we get to the point we believe AI is actually some form of consciousness that we've created then we have to accept that if we do accept that we have to accept also that we've created a sort of slave consciousness to just do our bidding which is problematic.

(01:00:24):
And but and that's where this this thought came came out from that conversation was oh so the nerds who believe in all this nostic stuff in a simulation world they've become the demi-erge they've created a slave consciousness with their AI.
Correct yeah it's funny to say consciousness that's the other thing that really is who we are that's fine and you're and you're right that also they can't define what is consciousness as well no idea and these clowns like Ray Kurtz while he thinks his.

(01:01:01):
This consciousness will be downloaded into a digital matrix it's so preposterous and absurd it it.
It's ridiculous but he on the other hand is a brilliant scientist who makes all these predictions and he you know the material it's great science is great for the.
Material world and making creature comforts and rockets and airplanes but as soon as you get to biology.

(01:01:25):
Then as soon as you get to psychology and metaphysics it's it's lost and that's really what life is really is our feelings in our thoughts at the end of the day which is why literature is so great and cinema is so great and David Lynch is so great because.
He's talking about these deeper things feelings and thoughts and myths and dreams that science hasn't got a clue about.

(01:01:51):
I'm with you on that 100% I think that.
Because you know I had a weird experience I was really into science going to college for engineering and I was really intrigued by science fiction movies and you know so in a way I was kind of.
In that realm to some degree but the more I you know the older I get the more I can kind of get exposed to variety of things and I think man these nerds have got it so wrong and for instance.

(01:02:23):
There's a clip that I saw I don't know what shows on the nil de gras Tyson was talking to somebody and and.
There was a discussion about science and I'm assuming they were talking about the pandemic and how the scientists wanted us all to you know take the thing that they said was going to save our entire existence and which turned out not so much and.

(01:02:49):
Nil de gras Tyson you know the eternal science optimist was saying something like well look you know a couple hundred years ago the average life expectancy was 35 years old and you know today it's 80 or whatever and the implication.
That I'm paraphrasing is he's like well we have to think science for that and it's it's like well the science also shows that you guys are coming up with this average life of 35 because back then you know babies didn't make it past five years old most of them didn't make it which to be fair science is what sort of arguably what made you know the higher what you call infer mortality rate change.

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But I think it's misleading to pretend that what nobody lived to 80 back then I know everyone still you know is basically living the same life expectancy in the scientist the point they use to try to sort of pat themselves on the back is total BS.
Well they're trying to blow science up out of its lane they're trying to take science and make it scientists which makes what they want us to believe that science is the greatest thing ever happened to humanity and science can solve all our problems and science is truth science is way cool I love science to you know I still read.

(01:04:08):
I'm not really up on the new science I have friends that are scientists but they're also aware of what scientists is and scientists is the new Atlanta scientists is technocracy scientists is why everyone took the jabby stabby because a scientist said it was good and it's just it's just fall scientists amazing for the material world pretty okay for biology although as soon as you get into the human biology.

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Science good science is really hard to do so they essentially lie about it and it's it's really hard it's really easy sorry to lie with science you just flood your data tell me I did this experiment here take this this is going to make you better look here's the data right and you just say the data up but we've been taught to trust scientists nobody says trust in God anymore trust the science.

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I say don't trust the science you know verify it verify verify if you love science you know verify it because there's a lot of fake science out there and it it's really hard to expose fake science because these.
Nostics have a control of a big chunk of the media which is programming us to believe in science as sort of some ultimate power when it's really just a mechanism kind of make us more comfortable and sure yeah I mean a lot they want to think that the stabby jabby's extended our life but it was really refrigeration and running water.

(01:05:44):
Right yeah I've unpacked all of that I have yeah so happy jabby's I had a friend who told me all that he was arguing this years ago with me and when 2020 happened I finally had a good excuse to actually dig into the information and you know as you probably are aware I did a series on it which I've taken down because my conclusion was first off that the science isn't so black and white that like oh yeah everyone's fine everyone should do the same.

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So I think I think you're on the dice either way it's up to you as to which way you want that to go and like I don't want to be involved in anyone's choice which is why I took those down but the but you're right like I asked him that specific thing I was like well what about you know polio or whatever and any and I read some stuff about the the you know the history of sanitation and how you watch those old time movies and they're drinking water in the same place they take a dump and you know what I'm doing.

(01:06:41):
water in the same place they take a dump and stuff and you're like well jeez, I wonder
everyone was sick as hell. Yeah, but yeah, it's a very very very strange time we're living
through and I'm curious as to what the next 10 years will bring and which you know which
side of the argument will turn out to be correct on what the future looks like for AI and

(01:07:03):
if they can really put us in digital matrix and I'm not sure what to think I could go to
other either side of that argument but anyway I see we're running out of time so I do want
to hit you up with when does this book come out what's next for you that kind of thing.
I know you've been working on this book for a minute. Yeah, well the next stage is I'm

(01:07:24):
working on putting into essay form and I'll do a podcast too of all the evidence showing
that Francis Bacon is responsible for creating modern free masonry which half of that is done
which if you go to substack or patreon you can read how free masonry originated in Scotland

(01:07:46):
so we're kind of back to Scotland and Macbeth and that's going to be the final puzzle and
I'm just going to stop because the research on the book can be endless. I'm going to
finish up mid-Summer 9th stream. I mean just to do one Shakespeare play takes weeks and
weeks because their plays are so dense and you kind of need to read at least a decent amount

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of what other people have said about the play. Yeah, I imagine. Because it's so dense and
confusing they're purposely confusing the plays while still being moving which a lot of
great art is you know it's kind of not quite sure what it's about but you're moved by it anyway.
So I'm just going to draw the line finish mid-Summer 9th stream finish the evidence for

(01:08:31):
free masonry and the book is mostly written but not in book form so it kind of needs to be assembled
needs a good introduction but it's pretty it's pretty close to being done you know so I'm
very excited about it. Tell us where we can learn more where we can follow you so we can get

(01:08:52):
updates on the book and so on. I know you got a podcast you said you got a patreon and you got
a substack what's the tags for those so I can put them in the showroom. So a patreon
the hidden life is best. The deep dives into the Shakespeare plays are behind a $5 a month pay
wall same on substack. I just let the essays out there for free. Please check them out if you're

(01:09:18):
interested. It's kind of built up to quite a collection of essays I guess when I look at it some
of them are pretty long but they're about this kind of a cult element existing in Shakespeare and
Francis Bacon and the British Empire a lot of what what you deal with but kind of the OG I see

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Shakespeare is the OG of what you do with pop culture it's really dense with with the cult
symbolism so there's the hidden life is best on patreon and the hidden life is best on
substack. I would greatly appreciate your support gives me a lot of encouragement I definitely if I
didn't have my patreon supporters I wouldn't be able to keep going if I wasn't bringing in some

(01:10:09):
income from this I would just look like completely nuts and you know my wife my wife wouldn't be too
happy so the support is really great I love all my my patrons and subscribers but if you can't
afford the five dollars a month just sign up as this as a free subscriber on patreon or substack and
you'll get essays and alerts to what's going on and a lot of it is contemporary because this stuff

(01:10:36):
really impacts our current world which is why I'm doing it I'm not doing it just to expose the
Shakespeare hoax it's it's because of that hoax and the scientism associated with it because I do
think they're connected we didn't get chance to talk about that to this modern world and that's

(01:10:58):
what that's why I'm doing it so so become a subscriber and thanks a million Isaac it's been really
fun yeah this is great also happy we finally got together for the first time here I'm sure we'll get
back together here once your book drops I can read through it and try to make some sense of it so thanks
for sharing your thoughts and thanks for doing all this research man I you're doing some heavy lifting
out there so much respect for that thanks so yeah but thanks for joining us and I'll put the links

(01:11:23):
in the show notes everybody I'm off to go watch Polanski's McBeth right now all right have fun thank you
everybody there you go I don't know about you but I am very intrigued I'm gonna start looking into
Shakespeare I was talking to Robert after we recorded and I thought man you I don't know but you

(01:11:47):
might feel a new obsession for me this might be my new twin pigs I don't know I'm a little scared I'm
a little nervous but I'm gonna start with Polanski's McBeth and see how that sits and then we'll see what
happens so again check out Robert Fredericks podcasts the hidden life is best same name for the substack same
name for the patreon links are in the show notes thank you for listening to the show appreciate you

(01:12:08):
all until next time stay positive
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