Around the World in 80 Years Part 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
And welcome back Arburd and Zoys radio show in Ralph
Nathan Oko.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
And Paddy mcallis. And today is a very important day
because it's one week. Remember today's the twentieth. Next Saturday's
September twenty seventh, and from ten to three you're going
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is son Darren Reagan Legacy High Woman, Todd Martin, and
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Al Black. All of the village estates, now most of
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The Old Discovery Village, which is the Isles of Varro,

(01:00):
it's seventeen hundred water for Drive. When Water for Drive
is on Route sixty and twentieth, it's just about it's
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you're going to see your signs all over Root sixty.
So we'll see your next Saturday from ten to three,
and we're looking forward to it, Paddy, your turnout.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
And the name of the war that dropped out of
my head was the Russo Japanese War, which, which broach
is my favorite history back the way of all time.
The US negotiated the Treaty of Portsmouth to end the
war nineteen oh five. US President Theodore Roosevelt received the

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Nobel Peace Prize for that, making him the only person
who has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and the
Medal of Honor for his actions in the Spanish American War.
We're gonna have to do a whole show.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
That a second European power was down in Asia and Japan.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Annexed Korea shortly after the war. This is the point
when military planners and uh uh, well, military planners and
intellectuals in Japan and the United States began to discuss
an inevitable war between the two nations. Now, if you

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have ever wondered why anybody in Japan thought they could
defeat America, the planners of the attack on Pearl Harbor
and near simultaneous Philippines campaign served in the Russo Japanese War.

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One of them was the son of the samurai and
a then recent graduate from the Imperial Japanese Naval Academy
named Isoroku Kakkano. He was later adopted into the Yamamoto
family and changed his name to Isoroku Yamamoto, the name

(03:30):
we remember for pearl.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah yeah, interesting.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah yeah. So Japan, like I said, had one European
power removed from the Pacific board, it had another on
the leash. The outbreak of World War two gave it
a chance.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Excuse me, world War one.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Oh, thank you. The outbreak of World War One gave
Japan a chance to do more more housekeeping.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
The Anglo Japanese Alliance Treaty gave it just the excuse
it needed to join the Allies the Entente and to
capture German colonies in China and the Pacific, which it
did with astonishing efficiency. And by the way, Japan did
the first carrier launched air raids on an enemy position

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in history in September fourteen. The Waka Mia carried seaplanes
that it lowered and retrieved from the water. And it
did this and sent them to go attack enemy fortifications
from sea. So Japan was the innovator in aircraft carriers. Effectively,

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similarly to Italy, Japan felt post war negotiations had left
it unrewarded for its part in the Allied Powers victory.
A major sticking point to the Japanese was the rejection
led by the US of the racial equality proposal to
be included in the Treaty of Versailles. So, yeah, thanks

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for help, for your help defeating the German Empire. Now
go make us some noodles, guys. Right, So things were
becoming more clear that Japan was going to come into
a major conflict with the United States in nineteen thirty one.

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Nineteen thirty one, Japan's expansive colonial urges and militarism manifested
in an invasion of northeast China and the creation of
a puppet state called Mancho excuse me, manchu Quo. The
Japanese army, in an act of gecko kujo, which I've

(05:52):
mentioned before, staged what's remembered as the Mukden incident, a
false flag attack on a Japanese least South Manchuria railway.
Japan got that in the Treaty of Portsmouth. By the way,
the League of Nations and other non member countries, including
the US, condemned the attack, but none would go to

(06:16):
the then Republic of China's aid the attack. The Mukden
incident almost certainly was not something that was conceived of
or approved in the highest level of the Japanese military

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or government. It was almost certainly a small group of
relatively mid level military men in the army who staged
the Mukden incident and essentially forced Japan to take a part,

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a huge part and a very productive part of China
while the world twiddled its thumbs. This I believe was
the butt for moment of World War two. You know,
events build upon events, and they lead to events. What

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the world saw in nineteen thirty one was that a
nation could go carve out a huge part of its
neighbors in the world, and the world would say, don't
be a bad boy and leave it alone. From there, yeah,

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and again, it was almost certainly Gekokuchi, a small group
of mid level army officers in the Japanese army that
had done this. You cannot convincement that this was not
the butt form moment of World War II. This was

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the moment that the world understood that people would sit
back while bigger, stronger nations took over smaller or weaker nations. Hmm,
I wonder who that could have inspired. I'll let that

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sit there for a while anyhow, if that wasn't the
butt form moment of World War II. In nineteen thirty seven,
the Japanese army, acting outside of governmental wishes, use another
ruse to justify a bigger, all out attack on China,

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which history remembers as the Second Sino Japanese War. Most
military and diplomacy historians point to this, not the invasion
of Poland, as the start of World War II, and
it was during the Battle of Nanjing, one of the
most horrific chapters of world history, when Japanese pilots attacked

(09:14):
the USS Panye and again almost definitely a case of
gecko kujo mid level low level officers going without or
against orders in order to force events, in this case
bringing the United States into a war with Japan. It

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is remarkable that they did not succeed in nineteen thirty seven,
especially it is just remarkable, especially considering that on the
Panye it was evacuating ten civilians, most of them were

(10:00):
cameramen from the Universal Newsreel and Fox Movie Tone News
and journalists from the New York Times, Colliers Posts, and others.
In other words, it was a very well documented attack.
They filed the attack, they filmed it, They filmed the attack.

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The film was there, The White House saw the film.
Why have you never seen the film? Because the White
House leaned on Universal and Fox, along with the New
York Times, Colliers Weekly and others to suppress the news.
Freedom of the speech, to suppress the news anyhow, So

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everybody knows that four years later, almost to the day,
four years later, we would be in that World War
with Japan. And so as I'm not a historian at best,
I would call myself a historiographer, more a hobbyist than

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anything else.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I would disagree. I think you muchever you're into it.
I think to your research is impeccable. I think to
your performance on the air, that deserves an Oko Emmy.
And that's a new emy by the way, everybody. So
what I'd like to do is, let's take a break now.
Everybody think about it, because when we get back I'm

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going to ask Patty, so, what have we learned from
seventeen seventies to eighteen sixties to nineteen forties. We'll be
right back around the world in eighty years.

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Speaker 2 (13:40):
I was gonna say, where'd you get that one? Welcome
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twenty seven, ten to three at the Village Estates with
a High Women Art show, with a following week October fourth,
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(14:00):
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for the fantastically glorified high women art movement. Okay, so now, Patty,

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what have we learned this twenty tifty five? What have
we learned? What have we not learned? What has repeated itself?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Two things? One in the lead up to World War Two?
In the eighty years between the Civil War and World
War Two, the world industrialized, everything got faster, The dominoes
were in place for an act of get go Kujoe
the muck then incident and forced creation of Manchukuo to
start the inevitable fall of dominoes to World War two.

(15:18):
The world failed China. The world failed itself in nineteen
thirty one, and I believe World War II was the
inevitable outcome of that failure.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Okay, America, Now that was one. So before we go
to two, let me ask you a question. You know
the League of Nations, which effectively became ineffective by this
lack of action other than more mouth running with Japan.
How is that different with the United Nations and NATO

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when Russia took over to Kmea and attacked and trying
to take over Ukraine. And I'm not giving you a
position of where I stand. I'm just talking facts. How
is the lack of you know, the mouth running by
the UN, How is that any different than the mouth
running by the League of Nations. But the bigger one
got the smaller one in one or another, or at

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least effectively a part of it. What have we learned?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well, we we did respond in Korea, We responded in
Vietnam and in other places.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Vietnam, Korea, I can buy Vietnam. That's a that's a
discussion that I don't think if we're going to get
into right now. Me personally, I don't think we should
have been there. But Korea.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
I think what I think America learned from World War Two.
US foreign policy and diplomacy became arguably much more dynamic, flexible,
and balanced after World War Two. Correct on one hand,
things such as the Marshall Plan. On the other, the

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Cuban Embargo and the Carter Dock. I think we learned
that the warhawks are usually wrong. The piece doves are
also usually wrong. History shows that it's usually best to
be a well armed dove, to always extend and open

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hand apiece to enemies and would be enemies, but keep
a bald fist for those who are bent on fighting.
Japan's calculation that it could use sudden attacks to keep
America out of the fight for years proved to be
a fatal miscalculation because we've been quietly preparing for it.

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Not seven months after Pearl Harbor, we hamstrung the Japanese
Navy by thinking four of its carriers at midway. We've
had wars in the last eighty years, yes, none approaching
the relative proportions of the Civil War or World War Two,

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and we defeated our last major military enemy with destante
and no large scale shooting battles between us, that of
course being the USSR that folded under the pressure of
the Cold War.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
In the nineteen nineties, well, late.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Eighties, early nineties. Okay, we're at the next eighty year
markup history again, and so far, no existential shooting war
seems near. Existential shooting war seems near as the last
remnant of the World War two generation leaves us. Let's

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remember what they helped us learn. The world moves fast.
You don't know who you're hidden enemies are you be prepared,
but be peaceful A well armed dove.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I like that expression well on dove, But I guess
it goes back to another expression, keeps you keep your
keep your friends closer close and your enemies closer.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah. I was thinking of Teddy Ugslots too with the
walk softly. To carry a big stick makes a stick.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
But see my problem carried the stick.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
But he.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
But you know, uh, president of Teddy Roosevelt really proved
to himself to be a much more effective president than
people gave him credit for. And I think we're giving
more credits now, like say with President Polk I never
thought of anything of and in the last few years,
with everything we've done, research has proven that he was
an effective president. But uh, going back to the other

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thing is you know the fact that we were relatively prepared.
I mean we're in theory, the blue the blueprints, who
are already prepared. Well, we got attacked in Pearl Harbor.
We were prepared to literally close the door of one
room and open it. Then it becomes another room manufacturing

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the military end of it. And we converted our American
peace time to wartime effort. Like it wasn't even a
dimmer switch. It was almost like a non off switch.
So my lead I'm leading up to is a question
to you, and we don't have a lot of time,
probably have a minute to talk about it is we're
talking about carrier, you know, carry a stick. But how

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much of everything that goes on behind all these eighty
year lessons or lack of learning from the lessons is
monetarily driven because war makes money for a lot of
people and sometimes a lot of countries. That's the question
out to you, Patty.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, that's actually that's actually pretty debatable.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
The United States got lucky because of our geo our geography.
You know, we're separated by huge oceans keeping enemies hands
you know, farther away from US. Uh. Generally speaking, No,
war is not profitable. It's it's never been profitable to

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the nations.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Well, there's an old matagy in the economics. If you're
having a bad depression of recession, declared war. Hitler did that.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
That's exactly we we can do a whole show on
I do not agree with.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
The premise he gives Starck doing your homework on it,
then I challenge you to it.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
So what.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
And the piece of the peace maker will be Cindy.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna pipe in for
three seconds and say. The thing that always stymied me
about that was if you don't have any money, okay,
per se and you're in a depression, where are you
getting the money from the build all the stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, that's a very good question, askual Fitter.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Well, so did we I mean, we were in a
depression and now all of a sudden we're making bombs
and we're making planes and putting people to work. I
don't get it any.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Good question, but I'm gonna we have to enter. I
have to move on. I will make one positive statement.
One of the greatest things that people are going to love.
My next statement, One of the greatest things is Americans
and America that we had that helped us transform from
civilian to military is a women. Our women took over

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the economy and helped us the men. Sixteen million men
went overseas to Pacific and Europe, and God bless you women.
You took over. And when we came back from the war,
things were a little different.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
For the women, said listen, We're not doing.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
That so anyway, Patty, thank you. I hope you've enjoyed
our around the world in eighty days and eighty years.
If you have any suggestions, please call me at ninety
five to four, five five, seven, six, two two six.
Remember Jump Start Antique Car Show October nineteen, Fort Pierce,
Elx Club, six o eight South Fifth Street, Fort Pierce,

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and that is October nineteenth and eleven to three, very
similar to the High Women Art Shows. At this point,
we want to thank the High Woman Art Gallery for
sponsoring being one of the sponsors of the Our Veterans
Voice Radio, and thank you to all of you for
being a part of Cindy and my life. It's an

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honor to be a host and represent the greatest country
in the world, all of us.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Doctor Richard Mark Steinbock, First Responder.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Patrick A. Lydon, the Second Navy.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Ronald A. Krouse Navy Korea.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Harold Lee Hayhurst Navy.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Vietnam, Alfred Leonard Anderson.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Army, Michael Thomas, Mike Lucardi Coastguard Korea and first Responder.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Victor Wallace Reagan First Responder, and all.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Of our other fallen heroes, our friends, our brothers, our sisters.
Thank you for your service. We proudly salute you. Rest
in peace forever.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
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