Around the World in 80 Years

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am Sidney Schwartz and this is our Veteran's Voice
Radio show with your host, Ralph Nathan Hoko.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hello everybody, and welcome to our Veterans Voice Radio Today.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Patty's gonna take us around the world in eighty years,
right Patty.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hello, Hello, mister pay I hope so I know you will.
What the basis of our conversation today is what have
we learned in eighty years spans between military campaigns awars. So, Patty,
I'm going to turn it over to you because I

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can't wait to get in that balloon with you.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, thank you, I appreciate you. So let's start with
an intriguing fact. All right, this year twenty twenty five
is the eightieth anniversary since the end of World War Two.

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World War Two, in turn, started and ended almost exactly
eighty years after the Civil War eighteenth eighteen sixty one
to eighteen sixty five than nineteen forty one to nineteen
forty five. And of course I'm only counting American involvement

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in World War Two with those states. But wait, there's more.
The Civil War started eighty years after the effective end
of the War of Independence, the seventeen eighty one Siege
of Yorktown. That war officially entered in seventy maybe three

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with the Treaty of Pairs, but there was an armistice
and there were no major battles in the last two years. Now,
I'm not one to attribute things to astrology or numerology,
but does anyone have eyes on Hallie's comment here, It's

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an interesting quirk of history that America's three most defining
events were all spaced eighty years apart. Or, as President
Abraham Lincoln put it, for score, and as I said,
we're eighty years from the last one. So maybe it's

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worth wondering about that clock. Guys.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Okay, well, I'm going to add there's one more to
add to it. Yeah, now, twenty twenty five, nineteen forty five.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Another ship, Yeah yeah, but then there's more. I was
born in ieen forty five. I'm eighty. I'm another eighties psycho.
I'm not proud of it.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
It's all you, all, the destiny of America.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
God help us all.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Somebody get that man a health shake right now.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
I'll think it.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
This is the greatest country in the world. We just
have to kind of take a breather and listen. Listen
to the lessons we should have learned from. We can't
go back to yesterday. Time is the most precious thing
we have. Learn's learn and move on positively. So move on,
my friend.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, we're going to start on a December morning. A
December morning when Japanese warplanes descended on American sailors in
an provoked attack. When President Franklin D. Roosevelt got word,

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he knew exactly.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
What he would do.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
He would do whatever was necessary to keep America calm
and stay out of a war with the Empire of Japan.
Until the December morning probably threw some of the listeners.
I'm not talking an alternative history. I'm not talking December seventh,
nineteen forty one. I'm talking about December twelveth, nineteen thirty seven.

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The Japanese were attacking the USS Panna, an American gunboat
in the Navy's Young Si Patrol. It was assisting with
embassy and civilian evacuations when Japanese pilots almost indisputably deliberately

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targeted the American ship. The attack on the Pana was
almost certainly a case of gecko kujo. The Japanese term for,
among other things, lower officers acting without and sometimes against
orders to force events. But that could have been a

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lieutenant trying to force an admiral or an admiral trying
to force the emperor. Gecko Kujo, translated for American consumption,
basically means the low overcoming the high. Roosevelt wasn't the
only one trying to stay out of war. The Japanese

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government apologized for the attack, claimed it was mistaken identity
due to poor visibility, which everybody knew was bs. The
Japanese forced Rear Admiral Kazo Mitsunami to accept responsibility and
resign his commissioned, and the Empire offered generous reparations. Not

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just the Empire, Japanese citizens raised huge sums of money
to send to American embassies along with apology letters. Neither
the US nor Japan wanted war in nineteen thirty seven,
but both figured their b one for a long time.

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Both knew it was nearly inevitable war would come. The
path the war arguably started with a commodore visiting Japan
eight years before the American Civil War. That visit effectively
ended Japan's century old policy of national seclusion, which they
called sekokup and started its rapid industrialization and militarization. It

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all started to unravel during the Tokagawa Shogunate, the Eto
period that had list lasted from sixteen oh three to
eighteen sixty eight. The Tokugawa established that national policy of
seclusion sakoku, which literally means chained up country. From the

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sixteen hundreds to the eighteen hundreds, the Dutch, Koreans and
Chinese were allowed some limited movements, such as in Nagafaki.
Japanese citizens were prohibited from most overseas overseas travel, but
that was a difficult edict to enforce. On the other

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side of the Pacific Ocean, the Mexican American War raged
from eighteen forty six to eighteen forty eight, and it
ended with the Treaty of Gottalu Guadaloupe hd Dogo. Mexico
seeded one hundred and twenty five thousand square miles to

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the US, which included modern day California. The Oregon Treaty
of eighteen forty six paved the way for the creation
of the Oregon Territory, which included what's now Washington State.
The US was by eighteen fifty a fully pacific nation.

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Everybody knows, well, maybe not everybody, but most people know that.
Commodore Matthew C. Perry traveled to Japan on a stream
steam frigate with a squadron of warships in eighteen fifty three,
then returned with twice as many in eighteen fifty four.

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The Japanese named the event the arrival of the Black Ships,
which I am not going to try to pronounce in Japanese.
Perry gave the governing Tekagawa a letter from President Millard
Fillmore requesting, with veiled threats, various trade and diplomatic concessions,

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and he said I'll be buck.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
When he got.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Back to Tokagawa had a treaty for ready. Perry's gun
boat diplomacy and forced treaty set off a fifteen year
downfall of the Tuckagawa Shogunate and the end of the
Eto period. It's a time the Japanese called the beckham Atsu,

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loosely translated for American consumption, that means end of the
Samurai rule. Now Townsend Harris the first diplomat of Japan.
He secured the Harris Treaty of eighteen fifty eight, which
set off a run of other forced treaties by Great Britain, France,

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the Netherland, and Russia. The Japanese sent its first diplomatic
mission to the US in eighteen sixty And by the way,
all of this history means that President Abraham Lincoln could
have secretly employed a squadron of crack samurai to run

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covert missions in the Deep South during the Civil War. God,
I hope that happened. Somebody write me a good alternative
history novel with samurai running around in the American Civil
War place anyhow, time, that would be a great novel

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to read during the Civil War. During the Civil War
in eighteen sixty three, the US in Japan had an
unrelated naval scrape. Emperor Kmi, influenced by Damio or feudal lords,
issued an order to expel the foreigners from Japan and

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the waters. The Japanese attacked an American merchant ship, the Pembrooke.
The USS Wyoming happened to be in the neighborhood hunting
for the CSS Alabama detoured from that mission for a
ninety minute lopsided battle with the fledgling Japanese Navy that

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left the Japanese smarting. Well, that's the official history. I
think his Lincoln sent the Wyoming to Japan to secretly
pick up a squadron of Kome's best samurai for covert
missions in the Deep South. I'm sure their battle cry
was gone and Day to the President. That is bringing

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us up to the Maji restoration, and I think we
got a break coming up.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Perfect moment. I'm just going to tell you, man, let's
take a break because right in the middle, and by
the way, my compliment, your Japanese is improving. We'll be
right back everybody around the world in eighty years. What
have we learned from the eighteen sixties, from the seventeen seventies,

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from the nineteenteens, nineteen forties and twenty twenty.

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we're now into what era.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well we left samurai. They're in the American Civil War
screaming Banzai to the president if you remember correctly. By
the way, one minute thag Russian. My daughter who's pretty
good with historical facts, and I discussed that prospect. I mean,
there were Samurai in the mid eighteen hundreds. Uh, and

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we did have that civil war, and we discussed would
a Samurai of the mid eighteen hundreds stand any chance
in say, the American Civil War? And we concluded, actually,
they would have done fairly well. The armor, the armor
they had at the time would have stopped most of

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the bullets that were being shot in the Civil War.
And their their horsemen horsemanship, an archery on horses was
was remarkably good. So actually a banned Samurai would have
done pretty well in the American Civil.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
Yeah, Okay, the Civil War has been and over. On
the other side of the Pacific Ocean, Emperor Meiji Hirohito's grandfather,
he reigned from eighteen sixty seven to nineteen twelve and
established the Empire of Japan.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
That we would end up fighting in World War two.
That was a constitutional monarchy that was founded in eighteen
sixty eight. So the age of the samurai, the showgun,
and the daimyo was over and it was now the
Meiji Restoration. And for some context, the US purchased Alaska,

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with its Aleutian Islands sticking out in the middle of
the North Pacific, from the Russian Empire in eighteen sixty seven.
Emperor Meiji saw that Japan needed to modernize its government
and industrialized fast or get swallowed by either the US
or European powers going over to the Mediterranean. The Suez

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Canal was under construction when he took the throne. It
opened in eighteen sixty nine and greatly increased European access
to Asia. Now, the US was supportive and helpful to
the Japanese modernization and liked Japan being a growing counterbalanced
European powers in Asia and the Pacific, but the nations

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had a somewhat tense friendship. By the way. Also in
eighteen sixty eight, the US and chang China, then Japan's
greatest Asian rival established formal friendly relations that allowed very
open Chinese immigration to the US and a lot of

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laborers came, and that started a flood of anti Asian
racism in the US. So while this is all going on,
there is growing American present and influence in the Hawaiian
Kingdom in the middle of the Pacific, which greatly concerned
the Japanese government and military. There was also a surge

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of Japanese immigration to Hawaii in the later eighteen hundreds
thanks to the ending of the secl Coup the change Country,
Change Nation. There was a process of US annexation of
Hawaii that went from eighteen ninety three to eighteen ninety eight.

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Shortly after annexation, the Navy built a base at a
little unknown harbor in Oahu called Peril Harbor. As that
was happening, the First Sino Japanese War was occurring from
eighteen ninety four to eighteen ninety five. The Japanese had
a lopsided victory over Cheng Dynasty China. That was the

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first sign Japan was getting into the world power game. Then, yeah,
I think.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
For our listeners, just I want to let you know
what Patty's doing. He's serving you the appetizer before he
serves you the main course, the main meal. Hence he's
building up to where you'll see the eighty year cyclicals.
And then my question after each one, what have we learned?
Where are we today?

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Have we learned? And what have we learned?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
So that was a simple transactor translation for my professor
friend Patty.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
So now go ahead.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Well, in eighteen ninety eight, the Spanish American War, remember
the main the hell was Spain. It ended with the
US having possession of the Philippines, something people forget a
US territory until after World War Two. Now, the Japanese
weren't thrilled about the Philippines being the US territory, but

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it did like the Spanish being evicted. That was from
the Japanese point of view. Won European power down in
Asia and the Pacific. It was getting time for Japan
to kick out another. In eighteen ninety nine, China exploded
into the Boxer Rebellion and the Japanese became part of

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the Eight Nation Alliance and so it bought alongside European
powers as an equal. That was a remarkable change, but
it created tensions with Russia, something we have discussed before

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the name just dropped right out of my I was
about to say the sin of the war early nineteen hundreds,
of the war between Japan and Russia, with the hysterical
Baltic Fleet fiasco out the long and the short of

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it being, Japan won a war against Russia, a major
European power, effectively kurkkailing, putting Russia on a leash in
the Pacific.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Only so long. Yeah, okay, let's stop right there. We're
gonna take halftime.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Know you could kind of sharpen your summurai sword and
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Speaker 4 (23:45):
We'll be right back everybody.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
This is Patrick Mcalliser, Cindy Schwartz and Ralph Ooko and
our veterans Voice Radio, And what have we learned around
the world in eighty years.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
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