Highwaymen Legacy Part 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
And we are back on our veteran Swiss radio showing
Ralph Nathan.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'll go everybody out there, you just miss a beautiful halftime.
We were just joshing and talking to mary Anne with
Cindy and Susan, and I was just letting her know
how nice it is to have her on the show,
and that a week from today on Saturday. Now you're

(00:33):
hearing it. This is the twenty seventh of September. You're
hearing it at eight in the morning or six in evening.
October fourth. Mary Ann Clawson will be at the High
Women Art Gallery in eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue in
Vero Beach. The phone number if you need to ad

(00:57):
information of directions nine five five five seven six two
two six, and uh, mary Anne is going to be there.
She'll be there from eleven to three. Correct, mary Anne,
that's right, and you will be painting and that painting
will be available. And you know, I got to tell you,

(01:18):
by the way, we have never had a visiting artist
paint and not sell their painting that day, and in fact,
a couple of times we've had it. It became like
an a bidding war in an auction where I wanted.
And in other words, you know, Mary, you're not gonna
have to price it. It's going to price itself out
of your market. You'll sell it for more than what

(01:40):
you normally do. But people will enjoy you because in
addition to being a talented artist, you are a very charming, wonderful,
down to earth human being. I'm honored to have you
call you my friend, and I think I'm speaking for
Susan of course.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, of course. And you know we were talking about
the colors and things. You know, as you paint for
your fans and everybody out there, and people will come
to see you. The best thing that I've ever noticed
is color.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I wrote that story Red Red.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Poncianas because the highwaymen knew, and Cindy shaking her head,
and so's Ralph Poncianas. Cell they are the big thing
that sells. Of course, you can always put a jack
aranda or tababuoya into or and as you know, the ponds,
the beautiful ponds that you like to row around and

(02:32):
go boating on and have some Ponciana's buying. You've got
a winter winter turkey dinner, don't you.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's just saying how thinks change, Susan, I don't know
if Marianna, if you've noticed it, but over the years,
the trends change. People like certain scenes or genres. They
used to like like the gray or the dark, darkish
colors with dark frames. And nowadays what are they like?

(03:00):
Lively colors, lively crown molding frames. They love pointsana, the
red trees, they like the jackaranda, the purple trees, and
they like the tababui that I can't spell. That's like,
what do you call a yellowish greenie, yellow, yellow blossoms,
beautiful trunks. See, I call them red trees, Susan, and

(03:20):
I think my wife Lynn they call them orange reddish
treet flowers.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, to bring some of all of those with.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Me, so good, you'll be popular.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah. We have fun. That's you know, this is something
that's important everybody. If you're going to have to do something,
have fun. And if you're having fun, you're never working well,
you know.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Al and Sam Newton and everybody would tell told me
when I interviewed them earlier that they would go to
furniture stores or the pink stores, or even jets and
appliances to see what color appliance is in to see
what color upholstery was on the couches. They go to
Pennies or sears to see the curtains.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's funny that you said that. The very first full
time job after I left being a stockbroker, I went
to work for a chain for the owner whose wife
was ill, so I took over to help him. And
what are the things he taught me? And you're going
to laugh as you remember it to now that you
said that. You go to a car dealer, whether they
give you a book, a brochure of all the models

(04:23):
right open the centerfold. No, it's not going to be
employee boy centerfold. It's going to be the color of
the year. And every year those colors change. You want
to know what the colors go to the centerfold of
any car dealership for the cars like the last two
years had been like like I have a silver gray car.
Now you've got these darker gray you know, but that's.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
A car that's not inside interior thing.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
But that's the point though, when you look at the paintings,
and that's how things change over the years. Because for
a while they loved like James Gibson used to paint
a lot of the black white, what we call monochrome colors.
And now everybody loves the colors.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, but he loved speed and that's why he was
doing those monochromes. Did you ever hear him? He told
me the story and others have heard this.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes. The contest.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
The contest they would see how many they could paint
and more paintings, more money.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And the bet was against James Gibson, the new Alfred Hare.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
And who won, Well, it depends, I'm sure who you
heard the story from. I heard it from James Gibson.
Alfred Hare, of course had been murdered in nineteen seventy,
so I don't know.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
I don't have it from.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I guess it depends who tells you the story. Yeah,
but there were no I think there was. The bet
was who could paint the hundred or the most in
twenty four hours a y and have you ever heard
that before, Marianne?

Speaker 6 (05:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay, So now let's now that we're talking about that,
that's terrific. What let's discuss what's the difference between Hall
of Fame second generation legacy and then you've got certain
other it could be style, art, landscape or tribute. So
Mary Ann susan Hall of Fame. We all agreed to

(06:12):
twenty sixth that were nominated and elected in two thousand
and four to the State of Florida Highway Artists Hall
of Fame. Second generation is.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Second generation, a child, a direct child, nephew, the son
or daughter only of a highwayman.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Okay, so now let's talk what is legacy? Mary Anne?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
What do you see his legacy?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
You've learned that. I'm pretty certain that you've learned that
and earned it. What does a legacy title mean?

Speaker 3 (06:47):
What?

Speaker 6 (06:47):
What?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
What did somebody earned a do to earn that title?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, the title of Florida Legacy Artist was personally given
to me by Al Black. He told me I was
a legacy artist, And so I understand that it's someone
who has trained under Is that under correct? I mean
an original highwayman.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Very good? Correct? And now you have the next group.
So now you have Hall of Fame, you have second generation,
and you have legacy. Now you have the other group.
They're called high Women's Style, high women Art, landscape and
or tribute. I just learned about the word tribute. I

(07:31):
like that word, by the way, I think it's very
professionally respectful.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well cam Stein with her second generation Legacy Facebook.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
She's got a wonderful site and.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
A tribute to it.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
And now there's tribute on there and I think that's
a nice way to put it. What do you think sending? Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I agree with her.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah. So now we've gone to the we discuss you,
we've reverted back and we just us who the high
women now going back to the nineteen fifties, sixties, and
then you've got Alfred here getting unfortunately I murdered in
nineteen seventy. There's a little kind of a distance where

(08:13):
there's they disperse. They were not called the highwaymen until
what year Susan.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Well I would say was nineteen ninety six when they
first started writing the articles by Jeff Clinkenberg.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Fitch, Jim Fitch, Well, they were called Jim.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Fitch called him the Highwayman. He that's what you titled.
But Jeff Clinckenberg wrote the articles, and that's what started
going on.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I just learned something.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, it was I could remember the article being put
up in the antique store here because he the antique dealer.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
He liked him.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
We didn't know what they were.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
He didn't know.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I didn't know, but.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Used to find them around.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
You'd see them at yard sales, you'd see them in
a thrift store. Maybe one of the consignment shops would
have it. And they didn't bring much money. You could
still get them for a dollar shot rackly at the
right place, at the right time. And then all of
a sudden, that went up there, that went up, and
then Jim Fitch started writing stories in art around Florida.

(09:15):
Some other writers picked it up, and that's when things
started happening all of a sudden. For then Harold Newton's
were three hundred dollars. They went from twenty five thirty
fifty to three hundred dollars, two hundred, three hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
And now three thousand, five thousand, thirty thousand, seventy thousand.
But the interesting, the whole thing that it's beautiful about
it is the progression from the fifties to the sixties
and seventies, kind of a mellow area in the eighties,
mid seventies, mid eighties, and then back to their early nineties,

(09:52):
and then Jim Fisch coining The High Woman, not copyrighting
it and without due respect Susan's being very humble. Susan,
And if I'm not mistaken, you wrote the very first
official or unofficial magazine article in the Indian River magazine
in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
It was in Vera Beach magazine. Oh, it wasn't one
of the first articles I found out since because there's
this wonderful fellow named Jim Oschlager who's doing the timeline
and he's compiled all the articles starting in the nineteen
fifties when Harold Newton.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I'd love to see it and Jim and being.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Back as were together.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Jim's done.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
What a job of research. You can't believe it, marian
When you can, you'd have to look this up. I
was telling Ralph about him and saying he should be
one of the guests on Ralph's show coming up. I
think it would be a wonderful thing.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
We're making plans for that, yes, but interesting enough, And
I'm going to do this. I'm patting myself on behalf
of Susan. When you come to the Highway and Art
Gallery on October fourth, when Marianne Clausen will be at
the gall you will have an array of like twelve
to fifteen different flyers stories about the Highwaymen or the movement,

(11:08):
and then this particular a copy, tenth page copy of
your article from two thousand.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
What he's referring to is the article with Sam Newton
in yes, and that's probably why a lot of people
remember it. It had Sam Newton, and oh my gosh,
it was very hard to get Sam Newton to do
it because he did not want to be a member
of the Highwaymen. He just, I don't know, he just
didn't want to, but he in the end he did it.

(11:34):
The photographer was the daughter of one of the people
who bought quite a few of his paintings, Charles Sullivan, Attorney,
and Kathy and I were lucky enough that he decided
to do it. It has Kathy and Tom Wilkes who
had the log cabin on US one in northern Vero Beach,
which have tons of Highwaymen paintings in and that Sam

(11:56):
would painting. So it's kind of a touchstone in time.
Came out before Gary Monroe's book, and it sold out.
It was the first issue that ever sold out for
this magazine. They were stunned. Art galleries were calling up
for and things like that.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
The interesting thing is was it? University of Florida Press
printed it. Gary Monroe's book The Journey of the Highwaymen
is now and it's eighteenth going to the nineteenth printing,
which is University Press has never never had a book
like that, and doubt that was and is still the

(12:35):
bible of the Gary Monroe, Lily. All I can tell
you is our utmost respect for your effort on behalf
of the Highwaymen, because since thanks to you the two
thousand and four twenty six Highwomen, they were nominated and
elected to the Hall of Fame from the state of Florida.
We're going to take a break. When we come back,

(12:56):
we'll tell you a little bit more about Mary Anne
and what to expect at the High Woman Art Gallery
in eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue in berub We'll be
right back everyone.

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Speaker 2 (14:12):
Hey, did you hear the latest about our Florida High Woman?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
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Speaker 2 (14:16):
There's a new high Woman art gallery in Vero Beach.
Really where eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
When's it open? Seven days a week? Called nine five
four five five seven six two two six.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
For an appointment any time, No kidding, Just call for
your appointment ninety five four five five seven six two
two six and then go to eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Wow.

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Ourrod and Sways radio show and Ralph nathan Oko.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Welcome back everybody. Thank you so much for being with us.
We're sharing a very interesting story today about high Woman legacy,
and that is the Marianne Klawson who was mentored by
Hall of Fame High Women artist Al Black, who passed
away unfortunately in May. In the community, missus Yuel, sincerely
so mary Anne. One of the things that we want

(15:14):
to discuss is we want to tell everybody what you're
going to do on October fourth, from eleven to three
at the High Women Art Gallery at eighteen seventy two
Commerce Avenue in Vero Beach. First of all, you can
for more information, you can always call the gallery or
myself at nine five four five five seven six two six.

(15:39):
And one of the things that when you get there,
all these things that Mary Anne and Cindy and Susan
and I are talking about, the different high Women, the
different genres, and the paintings you'll have. There's the hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of paintings for you to peruse.
But the star of the day is Mary Anton on

(16:01):
Ocober fourth, Saturday, from eleven to three. Now, Susan, you
and I were talking and that we wanted you wanted to.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Bring up so great and I have a question for you, Marianne.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I want to know what it was like. I said,
I need to ask her this.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
What was it like during a class with Al Black
when you'd sit down? What went on during your class?
I think people like to.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Know I do well. I love to hear our story,
so sometimes he would just you know, tell about his stories.
The thing that always stood out to me was his determination,
even in hard times, just to keep pushing forward and
to go through whatever came came through him came to

(16:41):
his way. So he was an encouragement that way. And
then he was a very fast painter, so I have
to really pay attention or I'd miss it, like what
did you do? Hold on back up? Because he would
just be zoomed right through the whole painting, and I'll
have to slow him down some say, hey, you got
to remembers slower than you are else.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Did he teach you how to mix the colors? Was
that a whole new, different thing or.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
The thing that really? I guess it's it's even I
can't even explain it myself. I just watched him, and
the thing that stood out was how he painted from
the back forward. He would paint and he would make
his darker shadows first, and then he would add the
light to it. And I have never had anyone else

(17:28):
show me to paint that way. Everyone else was you know, oh,
you got to block it in, which my brain didn't
register how do you block in a painting? And or
you've got to uh, you know, draw it all out,
which I also did for a long time.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
I don't paint that way anymore. It's more just about
being free and just letting the painting make itself. Sometimes
I don't even have a plan, and I felt like
the al didn't always have a plan, although sometimes he did,
but he just paint. But when he would put the
shadows first, that's the way my brain understood it. And
so now that's the way I paint. I paint from

(18:08):
the back, what do you see back, the furthest and
then I just work my way through the painting to
the front.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
So what's the first thing that you put on a
canvas when you paint the background of the clouds, the grass, wood.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yes, I paint.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
Well.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
First thing I do is I usually either prime or
I use jail medium to get my canvas ready, and
then I paint. What do I see the furtherest back?
I see the sky, in the clouds, in the sun,
or whatever's the furthest back from me. And then I
work my way forward. So the next thing I see
maybe a line of trees off in the distance, and

(18:46):
so then I do them, and then I build on
top of that. The closer I get, the that goes
on top of whatever was behind it.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Now you will be painting at the gallery from eleven
to three. But yes, I don't know at what point,
but you'll when the painting is complete, they'll be available
to be purchased by the visitors. Correct.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yes, And you can tell people what you're doing of
how you know the line that you see first, and
you're bringing it forward and forward again and things like that,
they'll love it.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I think that I've seen it so many times where
people come go to an art gallery or an art
show and they watched literally a blank canvas and little,
step by step you see things appear, and the next
thing is it's a few two three hours later and
you have completed painting, and that's a gift that you

(19:36):
have that I mean, I wish I had. But if
God given gift that obviously you're probably sketching where you
were a little girl already, but so you will be
painting there now you're bringing paintings that you'll have for sale.
Also correct, That's correct? Okay? Is any particular genre that

(19:57):
you like the best? Uh when you paint or you
just free spirit what you feel like, what's you.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Paint most of the time, that's it. But I do
have fixed things from my memory and from my childhood.
I love to paint in oils the most. I do
paint in acrylics, but oils is my favorite, just because
I like the pigmentation and the way that the paint blends.

(20:23):
But from my childhood, I do recall some uh some
memories of orange growth. So I have a really nice
orange growth that I've seen that's probably one of my
I call it my masterpiece because it's so big, but
it's probably one of my favorite paintings. And it came
from a childhood memory. My dad, who raised me, had

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went out in a little town called a Mocholely we
lived there for a little while, and he went out
to work one day with day labor, picking oranges, and
yes it was. And so he actually took me to
work with him that day because he didn't have anyone
to watch me. And then he met some people there.

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Then he found out, oh, there's some ladies that keep
the kid. So the next day I went there. But
he was so worried about me getting ran over by
one of those trucks out in the orange grove that
he took a big crate and he turned it over
upside down on me. And I remember eating oranges all day.
I was sticky and dirty and juice was running down
my fingers. I can still see it very vividly. And

(21:30):
I was looking out the crack watching my dad pick
oranges and watching the other people pick the oranges. And
so that is my painting, my large orange grove painting
that was from just a childhood memory.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
That's a wonderful story. I like that story.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
You told me it before, and I love it.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
And I can just imagine that the scent of orange
juice or of orange blossoms just sends you back there
in time. And what probably people don't realize is a
mockily is so much hotter. It's the state. And let
me tell you, my hat's off to anybody who does
picking of citrus.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh no, that a lot of the high women did that,
the lettuce, tomatoes and so on, on the on the
in the fields. Also, Uh, not to take away, but
I would have reminded everybody, excuse me, that October nineteenth,
from eleven to three, the Fort Prierce Ouse Club will
have a Jumpstart Antique Car Show. And the reason we're

(22:29):
saying it to you is that that's in downtown Fort
Pierce at six o eight South fifth Street, and uh,
you surely will be there. We will have a tenth
outside with the car booth and we will have over
one thousand die cast vehicles for sale, new and use
all the new and also inside, Shila will be with

(22:53):
our booth and we were projecting our High Women Art
gallery in Vieria. Be Mary. I'm looking forward to seeing you.
I really appreciate you taking the time to being with us.
And October fourth will be an absolutely wonderful day and
we'll remind everybody have a wonderful weekend. Mary Anne. We'll

(23:13):
talk in between and we'll see you in a week Awesome.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Thank you, good luck to you, sweetheart.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Look forward to seeing you too, Marian Babye.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
At this point we want to say thank you to
the High Women Art Gallery at eighteen seventy two Commerce
Avenue for being one of the sponsors of our Veterans
Voice Radio and the segment being the High Women Art
eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue, Vero.

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