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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, I'm Nicky McCoy and I'm an illustrator, fashion designer,
and traditional artist.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Mervin McCoy, illustrator, storyteller and digital artists.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
For more than a decade, we've traveled in the convention
scene from coast to coast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We'd love to share what we've learned and are still
learning on our journey.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You're listening to paper podcast.
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You hear that music, she stole it off the internet,
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, oh wait, Wilhelm scream?
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Should you not scream?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Then you even went.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But legend there Wilhelms scream, Why are all these while
all these movie references?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And if you didn't know these are movie references, this
podcast is going to bore you.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And you might like movies and still not know those
were movie references. So we're gonna give you some homework, right, Keven,
help you? Yeah, Willhelm scream and in space no one
can hear you scream. Look those up and you'll you'll
be ready for the show exactly you'll be a Ciskel
(01:30):
and Ebert or whoever you are.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Two thumbs up to more references.
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Yeah, five thumbs for this podcast. Five out of five
star thumbs for this podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So we're gonna talk about what exactly related to movies.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think important movies that influence us as artists.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Okay, what got us doing this, going on this lonely
road to nowhere?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Well we want it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Shuddered now a giggle.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well no, no, no, I think we wanted an excuse to
talk about movies. But more so it was like, how
could we also like talk about movies in a way
uh that is related to the.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Arts, yea, to relate to us what we do, why
we do what we do? Right?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Right? So I'm gonna let you start, Okay, you know, no, no, no,
Well yeah, so I one of the I'm a huge
fan of animated films, and I love all sorts of
styles and genres and that sort of thing. And I
would arguably say that one that made a really big
(02:40):
impact on me in my younger days was probably Miyazaki's
Spirited Away. I think it was a really good use
of incorporating uh technology with like computer computer graphics with
traditional animated technology and and just like I feel like
(03:07):
the story too. It was just a really great gateway
into sort of like Japanese culture. And I like, honestly,
when I first saw the film, I don't even think
I fully understood it or fully appreciated it for what
it was because I didn't know as much about Japanese
culture as I do now. And now that I'm older,
(03:29):
I can definitely appreciate like all of like the references
and characters that they had in it because I know
more about Japanese culture.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So what is it about?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So one of the darker things that I guess doesn't
really get talked about is that a lot of times
bath houses were associated with prostitution. So the fact that
the main character Sen is working or actually her actual
name is Chihiro, it is working at this bathhouse kind
(04:04):
of low key suggests that there are some sort of
unsavory things going on there. Yeah, And I would also
say that like one of the central themes of the
story is the importance of names and who and and
how like it creates an uh identity of like self
(04:24):
and who you are as a person, because it's it's
just throughout the story that the main character is even
like given like a simpler name that is not her
own and that holds power over her as a result.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh makes it Okay, that's pretty cool. Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
If I were to you know, imitate you and then
go with an anime, then because I think I like
this this cadence, we can do anime.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Movie.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Uh you know, I mean that's it. It's there are
all movies, but I'm just saying animated. We can go
live action and then you can you know, Dealer's choice
for the last one.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Okay, if we can get that far.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
But yeah, for me, I would say I was I
had a fight, a mental fight, but I knew who
the winner was. So I'm gonna say the one that
lost first lost out in the fight, and I'm going
to say the one that one vampire went to du
like the first first one, the one that aired. I
watched it on sci Fi back when anime wasn't a
(05:28):
big thing over you know, over here on the Sided
world and sci Fi Channel before it was called Cefi,
when sci Fi Channel would every April ear the best
Japan animation from from Japan, and then it had like
Lensman Vampire wrin to d Robot Carnival. Robot Carnival was
(05:49):
super influential as well, but unfortunately it didn't win. Uh
the Project Echo stuff and a bunch of Lilly Cat
a bunch of other things, but vaparentidy.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was just so cinematic, so cool, like the.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Mood like I didn't think you could do something that
with animation, you know what I mean? And I wanted
to create that stuff, But what one out ultimately was.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
This.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I'm just gonna do a line from it, and uh,
you know, some of you might be able to guess
what it is after hearing the line. I know Nicole
will know, but I'll tell you the name after Power
without Perception is meaningless if you know, you know, yeah, right,
it's Fist of the North Star. And that's the like
(06:38):
one of the the feature length anime movie. Uh and
and that line is toward the end, and that was
super influential. There are many other things, but that I
always think about that line. I always think about just
you know, how things were drawn, how detailed it was.
I was like, oh, man, like I want to draw
like that.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Uh, you know, it's so cool, like.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's you know, and yes, this is way less you know,
interesting and way less sophisticated than whatever in.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The court just said.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But you know, it was just interesting to see such
a large, bombastic story with with you know, yes at
the time, yes, if you watch it now, you're be like, okay, whatever,
but loss, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Drama action.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
You know, there's there's so much death and destruction in it.
It was a very dire our world and you know,
to see you know, this bloody, just awful place end
with with with that statement where it's like, yo, this
fight is stupid. Where are we fighting? Just people are
(07:45):
just dying around us, Like what are we doing? Like,
come on, man, we got we could be better than this.
We're stronger than everybody else here.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Is that? It is?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That all there is And that's what I got from
that statement, And it kind of did in form my
art and whole I created, and I really appreciated that
kind of storytelling From then on, I was like it
it was much It seemed much more valid and valuable
for a long term sustenance to be like, well, if
it's just about like you know, if it's just about conflict,
(08:16):
then what's the point. And that's what that's you know,
that's what that statement said to me, and that's what
it meant to me.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And also I feel like clearly had an influence on
other Japanese artists as well, because I know that like
artists like a Rocky, the creator of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
definitely like was pulling inspiration from that, and I also
feel like there were a couple fighting game designers that
(08:44):
also pulled some of the characters.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Would you say that it had a big influence on.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The world, Yes, definitely. Well, okay that being said, then
did you want to jump to live action you wanted
to stay an anime realm?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I mean, I would just like add on to Spirited
Away as well. I think, like I can't remember the
exact year came out, whether or not, like I was
in high school or college at the time, but I
remember it being like a really good just like coming
of age story, I feel like, and sort of like
(09:22):
the hero's journey. So I thought that that was really
cool just to tack that on.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's pretty cool. Yeah, I can hear that.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It's it's fascinating because I there there's another movie. I
could suggest, an animated movie, but it's it's it's tricky.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's you know, I was gonna say an injustcroll.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Oh yeah, and yes, if you've seen an industcroll, well
you know there's a lot of uh, you.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Know, questionable stuff in it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But I that's not why I was influenced. It was
the story structure where it's just this and also what
they did, like even to this day, it still influences
me in terms of the fact that they used a
historical figure and then just fictional fiction them up, you
know what I mean, Like they made a pretty interesting
character and the narrative where it's just this dude just
(10:17):
doing his thing and he just gets sucked into this
web of intrigue and he's just on this crazy, you
know journey, just just fighting all these crazy supernatural characters
and involves you know, Japanese history, you know, at some point.
And I was always fascinated by that storytelling. I was
(10:38):
so impressed with the fact that, you know, yes it's
not history, it's not even historical fiction per se, but
the fact that they were able to still inject their
culture into into and into such a poppy just just
(10:59):
for yeah, poppy format is just very slick.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Very cool.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And you know, I've I've always wanted to create something
along those lines, you know, to see if you know
I could pull it off.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, And I guess we can jump over to some
of the live action stuff. So I guess the film
I'm going to nominate for that would be the first
kill Bill. That's I mean, I don't know if I
can cheat and like include both of them.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Kill Yeah, I mean it's one movie.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, that's fair. But the first time that I saw
Kill Bill, I was I was just awestruck in how
the music was incorporated with the imagery. I thought it
was I'm a huge sucker for a movie soundtrack, uh
in general, but the way that like the music followed
(11:58):
along with like the imagery and like the choreography, I
thought was just like phenomenal. And also to just like
the visuals everything from like the characters like costuming to
just like them acting out the scenes in a kind
of would you consider it like a Neon war in
a way? Yeah, I guess there's like a bit of mystery.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah, I actually I never thought of it, but yeah,
I think it is a neon ar yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And so I thought that was like really captivating and
just the story as a whole you know, the the
fem fe talel and the it focusing on her, I
thought was really great. So yeah, I would definitely put
that out there.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, that's that's a good choice. That's a that's a
solid movie. I would say for me once more, it's
a big old fight and I'm gonna say the losers. First,
there was Terminator two, which you know very you know.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Very influence. Just saw that in the movies.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I think it was had to drive in with my
sister and brother and no brother in law. Like I remember,
I was, oh my god, it was heartbreak. And especially
the end of that movie. You know, I'm like, no, Arnold, no,
don't say don't do that, Arnold, but you didn't win.
(13:24):
Batman nineteen eighty nine. There's something specific like that movie
was like I was like whoa, you know, it opened
up my mind. It was like, yeah, it was like
total RecA. There's a little quado in my stomach that
just came up and say.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay, I gotta know what scene was it that well, okay,
it was from the trailer. Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So and this is not like a typical thing.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's I remember my sister said something once she said
something I was a kid, and I was like, oh,
that's very complex. And then they were like what I
was like under ten, Yeah, and they were very confused
and they're like wait, what, Like where'd you learn that word?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And I said the Batman trailer.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And it's because there's a scene in it where it's
like I forgot Vicky Baylor is asking him something and
he's like, my life is complex.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I love That's why. Oh my god, is the word
I like now have? And I learned the Batman trailer just.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
For those Yeah, because I looked up. I looked up
the word what it meant. Then I was like, okay,
this is my.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Word now I love this.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So yes, that's pretty influentially.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, yeah, core memory, because I think that's why she
took me to see the movie.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
She's like, Okay, I guess all right, we have educational value.
I can get get money to take you out.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
So, okay, what one is Superman nineteen seventeen nine, ninety seventy.
You see such a fan I'd ever remember when it
came out. I'm pulling in the core right, Yeah, Like
I would dream about that movie, like the lying and whatnot,
Like it was just it was just so cool. It
(15:04):
was Yes, I thought he was kind of skinny, but
I was like, but even then, like I would always
forget it by the end of the movie when he
does that thing, he's flying in space and then he's
looking at you, he's winking and he flies off, like
I like, you know, even thinking about it right now,
you know, it's it's like, oh, yeah, it was, it's
it's it's such an for the time.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Especially.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, you look at it and you're like, it's so hokey.
Clearly clearly's in front of like whatever a screen. But
it was such a great scene, great feeling, great memories,
and I would say that's probably the best effect shot
in all those movies. And when they play that scene
and it's it's a perfect encompass, encompassing of Superman, especially
(15:52):
what modern in the modern era, or what we think
of him or who we think of him as you know,
it's just it's a winking or not, you know what
I mean. It's yeah, man, all right, I see you
next time. You know, it's like off to do other things.
You know, say what you will about later movies, you know,
(16:12):
I guess they never I don't think even though I
love the first two.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I don't think any movie I ever.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Really lived up to to those end scenes, if you
get what I'm saying, like thee and I think that's
why for me they stick. So they're so strong in
my psyche because uh, yeah, it's just like all right,
see a letter, buddy, But yeah, that's that's my super
Miyam iconic. Yeah, so, uh, did you have anything to
(16:40):
say about my Superman or no?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
No, I think that's great. Like I would also argue
too that I feel like kids perceive the world differently,
you know, because they don't have as many experiences or
like I feel like it's just when you're at a
younger age.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I didn't know how he flew. I was like confused
by those scenes. I was like, how was he in space?
I was like they went to space? Because I know
I was dumb. So it's like, how did you feel,
like how you put a camera in space and put
this man in front of the Earth.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
But the perceptions of things are like different too, Like
I I like, for one, I sure as heck didn't
understand the fact that like an actor could play different
roles in different live action things.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Oh, I was pissed anytime Christopher Reeves showed up in
and I was like, what is this garbage?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
When are you going to change?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Why didn't you change?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You would think that they were the same characters. You
were expecting them to, like change outfits. Do Yeah, kids,
kids cannot see the strings?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Where's Lois? Why are you talking to this woman? Like
what as.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Well as perhaps adults can.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I was about to snitch on it. I was about
Yo Leo Lois. I saw I saw Clark talking to him.
How a brown hair woman?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, that's that's interering. I And I feel like I
feel like as a whole, probably like artists or creatives
in general, will probably have some sort of like pivotal
like film or maybe like TV show that made an
impact on them in that way.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean, Star Wars is one of the biggest ones.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Like like so many directors like, oh, Star Wars, Star Wars,
and what's interesting is Star Wars and even an alien
wouldn't be if not for Doune. In terms of Jaderowski's Doom,
at least.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Dune Do not Doom is.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
A whole other guy Doom now that movie was could
have stopped me from creating. Yeah that movie anyway, Yeah,
I mean, did you have.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
A wild card? Oh my gosh, I like just had it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh no, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I mean, well, while you try to pull it from
the jaws of the Jaws of nothingness, my wild card.
It's it's not even necessarily a movie. It's it's it's more,
it's a series, and it's the Berserk series, the first
(19:13):
Berserk series. Yeah, I didn't, so my friend loaned me,
uh some VHS's right, and the first few episodes didn't
work right.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
So I watched like from half. I didn't even get
like the first four the.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
First four episodes or something. So the original Berserk series,
you watch it to a point. I didn't know anything
about Berserk. I played the video game on Dreamcast, so
I was very I didn't know what.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Was going on. I just know you're walking around and then.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You have your friend that that couldn't really speak, that
was hanging out with you. And I read this story
stuff in the book, but I didn't really understand because
it was an info dump because you know, back then
they sold games with booklets. So I'm reading this semi
it sounds interesting, but I don't know what's going on?
And I tried to look online for stuff about.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
It, but there wasn't much.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And then friend Lend's been this thing okay and it's
she said, Oh, it's kind of related to this thing.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So I'm watching it. I'm like, okay, for Wan, he.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Has two eyes, so it's not the same guy, and
he's so skinny, and the sword skinny. And then he
started slowly like the armor started looking similar. I'm like, oh,
I guess they made the game, but they kind of
wanted to do their own thing, so they just made
it different.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Okay, whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And I'm watching the episodes and I'm like, oh, is
that the person that doesn't speak that's next to him
that's hanging out. I'm like, okay, okay, she's kind of
cool and whoa, Okay, she's not doing that in the game.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
That's confusing, all right, well whatever, And then I get
to the end.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I was like, and then it ends with him looking
like how he is in the game and all the
awful stuff that happens that leads.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
To Coska his companion power that not you know, not
being okay.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And I was like, oh, and that, yeah, that that
if you talkt about influence that definitely destroyed me. I
was like, oh, okay, okay, well stories, uh, okay, all right,
doesn't there all I can say that's about how I
feel about Berserk.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, on a slightly happier note, I guess my my
wild card would be Wes Anderson's The Royal Tennan Bomb. Ah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
That's good. So yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I had seen a couple I think of Wes Anderson's
films up until then, but I feel like The Tennon
Bombs really stuck with me, just because the story just
felt like really whimsical to me, and like I feel
like every time I watched it, I got something different
out of it, or like I noticed some other detail
that I hadn't noticed before. Also, the music is phenomenal
(21:57):
for it, and I just really like, kind of like
the message about how one person can kind of screw
everything up and then simultaneously also make everything better.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
You know, you mentioned res Anderson, and I thought of
Rushmore because that was my introduction to him.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I saw it randomly on HBO back in the day.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
It's more rough streaming, so I caught it like a
few minutes and I was like, Okay, this is weird
and I just kept watching and the end scene where
they put on a play, the Vietnam play?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
What has happened?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It was because these characters are so strange, Yes, that
like that, like obviously that's not a play you put
on at a high school or.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Whatever, so you know, you it was.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
It was absurd and strange, and you know, and he's
brilliant because he's saying what he wants to say, but in.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
A very uh you know, quoted failed way. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so yeah, brilliant. And I thought you were gonna mention
the fifth element at some point, but you did not,
and I'm impressed.
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Hi, I'm Nicky McCoy and I'm an illustrator, fashion designer,
and traditional artist.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Mervin McCoy, illustrator, storyteller and digital artists.
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For more than a decade, we've traveled in the convention
scene from coast to coast.
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We'd love to share what we've learned and are still
learning on our journey.
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You're listening to paper podcast.
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You hear that music, she stole it off the internet,
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and he hates beats. Let's check you out that.
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SoundCloud on this podcast. Nobody can hear you scream.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, oh wait, Wilhelm scream?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Should you not scream?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Then you even went.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But legend there Wilhelms scream, Why are all these while
all these movie references?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And if you didn't know these are movie references, this
podcast is going to bore you.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And you might like movies and still not know those
were movie references. So we're gonna give you some homework, right, Keven,
help you? Yeah, Willhelm scream and in space no one
can hear you scream. Look those up and you'll you'll
be ready for the show exactly you'll be a Ciskel
(01:30):
and Ebert or whoever you are.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Two thumbs up to more references.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, five thumbs for this podcast. Five out of five
star thumbs for this podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So we're gonna talk about what exactly related to movies.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think important movies that influence us as artists.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Okay, what got us doing this, going on this lonely
road to nowhere?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Well we want it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Shuddered now a giggle.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well no, no, no, I think we wanted an excuse to
talk about movies. But more so it was like, how
could we also like talk about movies in a way
uh that is related to the.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Arts, yea, to relate to us what we do, why
we do what we do? Right?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Right? So I'm gonna let you start, Okay, you know, no, no, no,
Well yeah, so I one of the I'm a huge
fan of animated films, and I love all sorts of
styles and genres and that sort of thing. And I
would arguably say that one that made a really big
(02:40):
impact on me in my younger days was probably Miyazaki's
Spirited Away. I think it was a really good use
of incorporating uh technology with like computer computer graphics with
traditional animated technology and and just like I feel like
(03:07):
the story too. It was just a really great gateway
into sort of like Japanese culture. And I like, honestly,
when I first saw the film, I don't even think
I fully understood it or fully appreciated it for what
it was because I didn't know as much about Japanese
culture as I do now. And now that I'm older,
(03:29):
I can definitely appreciate like all of like the references
and characters that they had in it because I know
more about Japanese culture.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So what is it about?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So one of the darker things that I guess doesn't
really get talked about is that a lot of times
bath houses were associated with prostitution. So the fact that
the main character Sen is working or actually her actual
name is Chihiro, it is working at this bathhouse kind
(04:04):
of low key suggests that there are some sort of
unsavory things going on there. Yeah, And I would also
say that like one of the central themes of the
story is the importance of names and who and and
how like it creates an uh identity of like self
(04:24):
and who you are as a person, because it's it's
just throughout the story that the main character is even
like given like a simpler name that is not her
own and that holds power over her as a result.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh makes it Okay, that's pretty cool. Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
If I were to you know, imitate you and then
go with an anime, then because I think I like
this this cadence, we can do anime.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Movie.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Uh you know, I mean that's it. It's there are
all movies, but I'm just saying animated. We can go
live action and then you can you know, Dealer's choice
for the last one.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Okay, if we can get that far.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
But yeah, for me, I would say I was I
had a fight, a mental fight, but I knew who
the winner was. So I'm gonna say the one that
lost first lost out in the fight, and I'm going
to say the one that one vampire went to du
like the first first one, the one that aired. I
watched it on sci Fi back when anime wasn't a
(05:28):
big thing over you know, over here on the Sided
world and sci Fi Channel before it was called Cefi,
when sci Fi Channel would every April ear the best
Japan animation from from Japan, and then it had like
Lensman Vampire wrin to d Robot Carnival. Robot Carnival was
(05:49):
super influential as well, but unfortunately it didn't win. Uh
the Project Echo stuff and a bunch of Lilly Cat
a bunch of other things, but vaparentidy.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was just so cinematic, so cool, like the.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Mood like I didn't think you could do something that
with animation, you know what I mean? And I wanted
to create that stuff, But what one out ultimately was.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
This.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I'm just gonna do a line from it, and uh,
you know, some of you might be able to guess
what it is after hearing the line. I know Nicole
will know, but I'll tell you the name after Power
without Perception is meaningless if you know, you know, yeah, right,
it's Fist of the North Star. And that's the like
(06:38):
one of the the feature length anime movie. Uh and
and that line is toward the end, and that was
super influential. There are many other things, but that I
always think about that line. I always think about just
you know, how things were drawn, how detailed it was.
I was like, oh, man, like I want to draw
like that.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Uh, you know, it's so cool, like.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's you know, and yes, this is way less you know,
interesting and way less sophisticated than whatever in.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The court just said.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But you know, it was just interesting to see such
a large, bombastic story with with you know, yes at
the time, yes, if you watch it now, you're be like, okay, whatever,
but loss, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Drama action.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
You know, there's there's so much death and destruction in it.
It was a very dire our world and you know,
to see you know, this bloody, just awful place end
with with with that statement where it's like, yo, this
fight is stupid. Where are we fighting? Just people are
(07:45):
just dying around us, Like what are we doing? Like,
come on, man, we got we could be better than this.
We're stronger than everybody else here.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Is that? It is?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That all there is And that's what I got from
that statement, And it kind of did in form my
art and whole I created, and I really appreciated that
kind of storytelling From then on, I was like it
it was much It seemed much more valid and valuable
for a long term sustenance to be like, well, if
it's just about like you know, if it's just about conflict,
(08:16):
then what's the point. And that's what that's you know,
that's what that statement said to me, and that's what
it meant to me.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And also I feel like clearly had an influence on
other Japanese artists as well, because I know that like
artists like a Rocky, the creator of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
definitely like was pulling inspiration from that, and I also
feel like there were a couple fighting game designers that
(08:44):
also pulled some of the characters.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Would you say that it had a big influence on.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The world, Yes, definitely. Well, okay that being said, then
did you want to jump to live action you wanted
to stay an anime realm?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I mean, I would just like add on to Spirited
Away as well. I think, like I can't remember the
exact year came out, whether or not, like I was
in high school or college at the time, but I
remember it being like a really good just like coming
of age story, I feel like, and sort of like
(09:22):
the hero's journey. So I thought that that was really
cool just to tack that on.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's pretty cool. Yeah, I can hear that.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It's it's fascinating because I there there's another movie. I
could suggest, an animated movie, but it's it's it's tricky.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's you know, I was gonna say an injustcroll.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Oh yeah, and yes, if you've seen an industcroll, well
you know there's a lot of uh, you.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Know, questionable stuff in it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But I that's not why I was influenced. It was
the story structure where it's just this and also what
they did, like even to this day, it still influences
me in terms of the fact that they used a
historical figure and then just fictional fiction them up, you
know what I mean, Like they made a pretty interesting
character and the narrative where it's just this dude just
(10:17):
doing his thing and he just gets sucked into this
web of intrigue and he's just on this crazy, you
know journey, just just fighting all these crazy supernatural characters
and involves you know, Japanese history, you know, at some point.
And I was always fascinated by that storytelling. I was
(10:38):
so impressed with the fact that, you know, yes it's
not history, it's not even historical fiction per se, but
the fact that they were able to still inject their
culture into into and into such a poppy just just
(10:59):
for yeah, poppy format is just very slick.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Very cool.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And you know, I've I've always wanted to create something
along those lines, you know, to see if you know
I could pull it off.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, And I guess we can jump over to some
of the live action stuff. So I guess the film
I'm going to nominate for that would be the first
kill Bill. That's I mean, I don't know if I
can cheat and like include both of them.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Kill Yeah, I mean it's one movie.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, that's fair. But the first time that I saw
Kill Bill, I was I was just awestruck in how
the music was incorporated with the imagery. I thought it
was I'm a huge sucker for a movie soundtrack, uh
in general, but the way that like the music followed
(11:58):
along with like the imagery and like the choreography, I
thought was just like phenomenal. And also to just like
the visuals everything from like the characters like costuming to
just like them acting out the scenes in a kind
of would you consider it like a Neon war in
a way? Yeah, I guess there's like a bit of mystery.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah, I actually I never thought of it, but yeah,
I think it is a neon ar yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And so I thought that was like really captivating and
just the story as a whole you know, the the
fem fe talel and the it focusing on her, I
thought was really great. So yeah, I would definitely put
that out there.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, that's that's a good choice. That's a that's a
solid movie. I would say for me once more, it's
a big old fight and I'm gonna say the losers. First,
there was Terminator two, which you know very you know.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Very influence. Just saw that in the movies.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I think it was had to drive in with my
sister and brother and no brother in law. Like I remember,
I was, oh my god, it was heartbreak. And especially
the end of that movie. You know, I'm like, no, Arnold, no,
don't say don't do that, Arnold, but you didn't win.
(13:24):
Batman nineteen eighty nine. There's something specific like that movie
was like I was like whoa, you know, it opened
up my mind. It was like, yeah, it was like
total RecA. There's a little quado in my stomach that
just came up and say.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay, I gotta know what scene was it that well, okay,
it was from the trailer. Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So and this is not like a typical thing.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's I remember my sister said something once she said
something I was a kid, and I was like, oh,
that's very complex. And then they were like what I
was like under ten, Yeah, and they were very confused
and they're like wait, what, Like where'd you learn that word?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And I said the Batman trailer.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And it's because there's a scene in it where it's
like I forgot Vicky Baylor is asking him something and
he's like, my life is complex.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I love That's why. Oh my god, is the word
I like now have? And I learned the Batman trailer just.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
For those Yeah, because I looked up. I looked up
the word what it meant. Then I was like, okay,
this is my.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Word now I love this.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So yes, that's pretty influentially.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, yeah, core memory, because I think that's why she
took me to see the movie.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
She's like, Okay, I guess all right, we have educational value.
I can get get money to take you out.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
So, okay, what one is Superman nineteen seventeen nine, ninety seventy.
You see such a fan I'd ever remember when it
came out. I'm pulling in the core right, Yeah, Like
I would dream about that movie, like the lying and whatnot,
Like it was just it was just so cool. It
(15:04):
was Yes, I thought he was kind of skinny, but
I was like, but even then, like I would always
forget it by the end of the movie when he
does that thing, he's flying in space and then he's
looking at you, he's winking and he flies off, like
I like, you know, even thinking about it right now,
you know, it's it's like, oh, yeah, it was, it's
it's it's such an for the time.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Especially.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, you look at it and you're like, it's so hokey.
Clearly clearly's in front of like whatever a screen. But
it was such a great scene, great feeling, great memories,
and I would say that's probably the best effect shot
in all those movies. And when they play that scene
and it's it's a perfect encompass, encompassing of Superman, especially
(15:52):
what modern in the modern era, or what we think
of him or who we think of him as you know,
it's just it's a winking or not, you know what
I mean. It's yeah, man, all right, I see you
next time. You know, it's like off to do other things.
You know, say what you will about later movies, you know,
(16:12):
I guess they never I don't think even though I
love the first two.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I don't think any movie I ever.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Really lived up to to those end scenes, if you
get what I'm saying, like thee and I think that's
why for me they stick. So they're so strong in
my psyche because uh, yeah, it's just like all right,
see a letter, buddy, But yeah, that's that's my super
Miyam iconic. Yeah, so, uh, did you have anything to
(16:40):
say about my Superman or no?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
No, I think that's great. Like I would also argue
too that I feel like kids perceive the world differently,
you know, because they don't have as many experiences or
like I feel like it's just when you're at a
younger age.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I didn't know how he flew. I was like confused
by those scenes. I was like, how was he in space?
I was like they went to space? Because I know
I was dumb. So it's like, how did you feel,
like how you put a camera in space and put
this man in front of the Earth.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
But the perceptions of things are like different too, Like
I I like, for one, I sure as heck didn't
understand the fact that like an actor could play different
roles in different live action things.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Oh, I was pissed anytime Christopher Reeves showed up in
and I was like, what is this garbage?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
When are you going to change?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Why didn't you change?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You would think that they were the same characters. You
were expecting them to, like change outfits. Do Yeah, kids,
kids cannot see the strings?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Where's Lois? Why are you talking to this woman? Like
what as.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Well as perhaps adults can.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I was about to snitch on it. I was about
Yo Leo Lois. I saw I saw Clark talking to him.
How a brown hair woman?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, that's that's interering. I And I feel like I
feel like as a whole, probably like artists or creatives
in general, will probably have some sort of like pivotal
like film or maybe like TV show that made an
impact on them in that way.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean, Star Wars is one of the biggest ones.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Like like so many directors like, oh, Star Wars, Star Wars,
and what's interesting is Star Wars and even an alien
wouldn't be if not for Doune. In terms of Jaderowski's Doom,
at least.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Dune Do not Doom is.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
A whole other guy Doom now that movie was could
have stopped me from creating. Yeah that movie anyway, Yeah,
I mean, did you have.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
A wild card? Oh my gosh, I like just had it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh no, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I mean, well, while you try to pull it from
the jaws of the Jaws of nothingness, my wild card.
It's it's not even necessarily a movie. It's it's it's more,
it's a series, and it's the Berserk series, the first
(19:13):
Berserk series. Yeah, I didn't, so my friend loaned me,
uh some VHS's right, and the first few episodes didn't
work right.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
So I watched like from half. I didn't even get
like the first four the.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
First four episodes or something. So the original Berserk series,
you watch it to a point. I didn't know anything
about Berserk. I played the video game on Dreamcast, so
I was very I didn't know what.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Was going on. I just know you're walking around and then.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You have your friend that that couldn't really speak, that
was hanging out with you. And I read this story
stuff in the book, but I didn't really understand because
it was an info dump because you know, back then
they sold games with booklets. So I'm reading this semi
it sounds interesting, but I don't know what's going on?
And I tried to look online for stuff about.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
It, but there wasn't much.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
And then friend Lend's been this thing okay and it's
she said, Oh, it's kind of related to this thing.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So I'm watching it. I'm like, okay, for Wan, he.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Has two eyes, so it's not the same guy, and
he's so skinny, and the sword skinny. And then he
started slowly like the armor started looking similar. I'm like, oh,
I guess they made the game, but they kind of
wanted to do their own thing, so they just made
it different.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Okay, whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And I'm watching the episodes and I'm like, oh, is
that the person that doesn't speak that's next to him
that's hanging out. I'm like, okay, okay, she's kind of
cool and whoa, Okay, she's not doing that in the game.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
That's confusing, all right, well whatever, And then I get
to the end.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I was like, and then it ends with him looking
like how he is in the game and all the
awful stuff that happens that leads.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
To Coska his companion power that not you know, not
being okay.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And I was like, oh, and that, yeah, that that
if you talkt about influence that definitely destroyed me. I
was like, oh, okay, okay, well stories, uh, okay, all right,
doesn't there all I can say that's about how I
feel about Berserk.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, on a slightly happier note, I guess my my
wild card would be Wes Anderson's The Royal Tennan Bomb. Ah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
That's good. So yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I had seen a couple I think of Wes Anderson's
films up until then, but I feel like The Tennon
Bombs really stuck with me, just because the story just
felt like really whimsical to me, and like I feel
like every time I watched it, I got something different
out of it, or like I noticed some other detail
that I hadn't noticed before. Also, the music is phenomenal
(21:57):
for it, and I just really like, kind of like
the message about how one person can kind of screw
everything up and then simultaneously also make everything better.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
You know, you mentioned res Anderson, and I thought of
Rushmore because that was my introduction to him.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I saw it randomly on HBO back in the day.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
It's more rough streaming, so I caught it like a
few minutes and I was like, Okay, this is weird
and I just kept watching and the end scene where
they put on a play, the Vietnam play?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
What has happened?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It was because these characters are so strange, Yes, that
like that, like obviously that's not a play you put
on at a high school or.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Whatever, so you know, you it was.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
It was absurd and strange, and you know, and he's
brilliant because he's saying what he wants to say, but in.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
A very uh you know, quoted failed way. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so yeah, brilliant. And I thought you were gonna mention
the fifth element at some point, but you did not,
and I'm impressed.
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