April 1, 2025 • 26 mins
Join us for a delightful interview with special guests Spencer and Jake as they reminisce about how they got started in the convention scene and eventually behind our booth. We discover that art is the great equalizer and a great way to make new friends.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Nicky McCoy and I'm an illustrator, fashion designer and
traditional artist.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I'm Mervin McCoy illustrators, storyteller and digital artists.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
For more than a decade, we've traveled in the convention
scene from coast to coast.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We'd love to share what we've learned and are still
learning on our journey.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You're listening to Paper Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You hear that music?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
She stole it off the internet. Just kidding.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
It's spicy Beats b E E T S and he
hates beats. Let's check you out that SoundCloud. All right,
So we're back again. We're here with some special guests.
(00:50):
They're so special, all right. Well, I mean that's what my.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Parents tell me.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know, Hey, we're all special to someone.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
So we've made our annual pilgrimage to our mecca, if
you will.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
Yeah, Spencer's here with us as well as Jake. Hey,
and we just wanted to ask them some questions, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Plan of twenty A lawyer.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
I mean you might, you're very well might, because you
really don't know what we're gonna have.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That would be twenty minutes of silence.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
It might be it's like plea I plead the fifth
here you might have to.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
My spouse cannot convict me.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Well, so, okay, we have this wonderful, wonderful acoustics of
this hotel room because we're here at Megakan. You're not
going to be listening to this while Mega Coan is
going on. It would have happened already. So this is
a bit of time travel. And we met at Megakan.
We both met. You know, some people might know from
(01:52):
other shows or for conversations.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, but no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't even
know Nicole at the time. Yeah, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Know you when I first met you. What year was
that twenty thirteen? No, so I didn't know you or twelve?
Maybe it's twenty twelve. I mean I made it made
we may made me contact of twenty twelve. So here's
a fascinating thing about this whole contact.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Well, here's what fasting him with this whole conversation. Right,
I feel like I've known both of you longer.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
So you tell me these dates and I'm like, for real,
I feel like I knew you longer, like I felt
like I.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Knew you before like my whole life. Yeah right, yeah,
it's very crazy.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Well twenty twelve though, not to interrupt, but twenty twelve
was like fifteen years ago or whatever, and.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It was also supposed to be the end of the world. Yeah,
so look at that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But yes, yes, that is a thing.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
I mean they even made a movie about it critically
I claimed, award.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Winning That's a broad stroke, critically acclaimed.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
What's up? So okay, so you know, talking about hoween
my and whatnot.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I I do have a question though, like the convention scene,
like what what got you into it?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Me?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, okay, hi, yeah, I've been going to a mega
cons since.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Uh, I'm gonna call him out like that.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I'm not that type of show. Oh my gosh, Like,
did you forget? This show is not our other show.
It's fine. You won't lose your job for this one.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
No.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I came here in two thousand and two when I
was sixteen on a seventeen maybe on a school field
trip for my anime club. We coerced them to take
us to not co werce.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We convinced them.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I don't get course, a bunch of weeds trying to
get to an anime convention for the anime club that
we were in how do you course we made this
one the Omega nerd.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Raw r ross yea.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
In high school, he him and his girlfriend were like
the biggest, like the only anime people in school, and
they formed the Anime club. So like anyone who was
kind of like had an interest in and everything like
that and artwork and all, you know, baseline, like very
top level.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Joined the anime club and we all.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Saved up and one of the teachers, you know, we
all were like, it'd be really cool to go convention
one day and see like, you know, the actual real thing.
And this is before that like Big Bang Theory and everything,
like you know, comic cons and stuff were popular.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
How did you hear about Megaican though, because you know,
the internet was.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Like baby, so I think it was just like like
word of mouth and like.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
That's a good question, yeah right, because I love information
traveling the stoney.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think while you're thinking about that, I have a
totally new found respect for you that you like managed
to convince your teachers to like take you to a
whole anime like or I mean just comic convention, like
it's generally impressive.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, thank you, but it was it was really cool,
and we went with chaperones and everything and it was interesting.
And remember we stayed in Old Town in a trailer
like in like this explained. Old Old Town's like a
really small like theme park Kitchy, uh, like an amusement
(05:20):
park kind of thing. It's got Fairest wheels, it's got
Ferris wheels, and like it's like an all day, every
day fair but like literally kind of like lower bar.
But no, I'm not dissing it because we had a
phonehe were kids. But anyway, we've stayed there, and we
stayed on the campgrounds and we stayed like a camper
like for like it meant for like ten people, and
it was like it was like all the parents and
(05:41):
kids went there and it was only like eight of us,
six or six or eight of us and then like
three or four chaperones and we went for like we
went for like only a day, like it was like
but the show was only two days I think at
that time.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
So yeah, and uh yeah, that's where the first time
I went. I remember, not really into comments. I remember
buying the first time was buying the Kingdom Hearts soundtrack
and the katamar and Katamari Amasi.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Soundtrack You Will.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, and all the and all the remixes
and they were so I had those CDs for Katamari
and and Kingdom Heart. I think it was Katamori was
out that year. It was another year I got that one,
but I definitely got Kingdom Hearts for sure. And uh,
(06:42):
I remember meeting at that convention. Oh, George Lowe George
who played Space Ghosts Okay, oh yeah, And it was
the first celebrity that I ever met, and I still
have the autograph picture in my in my binder.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
He said something like Spencer loves Lamb Shanks or something
in a sexual way or something like that, and I
was sixteen or something like that, and it was it
was cute, it was fun.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Is he gone?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
No? I think he still lies.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And Mike could go to jail for right, you just
put his night in jail for the rest of his life.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
No, he was.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
He was.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
It was really nice and it was really cool seeing him.
And I really wasn't like deep into comics at the time.
I think I had had as a child, but then
it was like two thousand and four when I got
really back into comics. But in two thousand, uh, The
next year, two thousand and three, we went up again
and then we stayed.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
We went for two days.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I don't remember too much about that that that time
we went, but I do remember the time after that.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It was with I went by myself.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I went with like one of my friend our friends,
and then like you know, and then it was like
I went up my brother for a day, and I
went up with another friend for a day, and then
it wasn't until I was married I went up with
another with a group of friends, and every year it
just kept going. And then I think it was Jake
came with me in two.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Thousand and nine or ten, No, it.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Was it was twenty and twelve, because really that late
because Dad passed in twenty eleven, and it was right
after that that I kind of needed something to like
take my mind off of things. And Spencer had a
big old stack of comics. It was right after New
fifty two WED launched, and I was like, what's going
on with all these and He's like, oh, it's green lantern,
you check it out.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And I was like, all right, I'll.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Check it out, So start eating comics and stuff. Then
I broke my leg and I couldn't go, remember, because
I had broken legs. So it might've even been twenty
thirteen because dad passed in November. Broke my leg in
like December. He passed in like October. I broke my
leg in November.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And you know what it sounded like, You just said
your dad died and then broke your leg.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I was like, yo, I was spranked on my ashes
and then I, you know, slipped and fell. Oh is
that really what happened?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I was like, yeah, you should blame him. You know,
I'd made bad choices in dumped dirt bike.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
So but so, actually, yea, it might have been twenty
thirteen because I don't think I had in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
I would have been able to walk.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
And I think we've consecutively gone every year since except
for the pandemic years.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It was closed. You know, they didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I was here, man, There's nothing happened.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
But I was here in the parking lot, rolling on
the ground.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
This is my convention, the dirt accumulated on the rolling
in the parking lot.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think I had.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Gone though with Will and his brother in twenty eleven,
like ten eleven, twelve, Yes, okay, like and my ex wife, like,
we all came here altogether a bunch of times.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You brought me a print. Yeah, I think I was like,
you can just buy art?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What Yah?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
And it was either it was the two thousand and
nine It was funny because uh, Mervin and I were
we crossed paths, but we didn't know. In two thousand
and nine Super Con, Yes, and you did the artwork
for the I did some cover yeah, and you were there.
I went there to see Bruce Campbell. Yes, and he
(10:06):
was like the.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Host, like the guest of honor.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Big ears because when they got him, it was it
was like they had.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
The convention was so small.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
It reminded me of like like when you see like
the Convention and the Boys, like that episode in that
one season.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's how big the convention was.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Like it was it was like two rooms. Yeah it was.
I mean it's smaller than that.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Man.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, it's small.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It was like that or but it was like so.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Okay, so it's tricky.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Right, you've been to w Yeah, you've been to Okay,
you remember that time you went to a Taco fest. Yeah,
it was like that. That's where it was. So just
think of that and then Bruce Campbell was in the
middle of that.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Audience and they cut.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
They they cordoned off half of it for the lines,
and then they cut and then they cut it in
half again because they had.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
The the they had him.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Doing panels like right there in the main room, so
like the whole like it was like they cut it,
cut it, cut it and then like had the exhibitors
the back.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And so that's where you were there. I didn't know you.
I didn't know. We had no idea and I that's
where we crossed paths. But I had horrible flu that
we were. I was just like I had that.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I was, I.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Went, I had and I left like I just I
saw Bruce Campbell from Afar, I guy's autograph and I
don't remember even get it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I think got Bruce Campbell still and mister Assassin over here.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, and then it was like I think I went
to a couple of super cons yes with Will and
we used to do the comic thinking I'm all signed
and everything, and then where eventually Jake joined us sincey
thirteen and we were like just it was like every
convention of Florida. We were going to all of them,
Tampa Bay super Con, you know the one or two
they had there, and then the Megican and then we.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Go to like little ones too sometimes I think once
or twice, but.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Like, uh, with you, yeah, it was like two thousand
and like maybe like eleven or twelve where I saw
your artwork and we talked, yes, but it was awkward.
I wasn't quite like into like I was too shy
to meet like a lot of my creator friends. Like
then I was like the like, the most one I
would be so excitedful was George Prez and I was like, nope,
(12:17):
I'm done.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
He was so nice. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Rest in peace.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Yeah, but yeah, I think we met and talked briefly
in twenty twelve, I think or eleven one of those
years America, and I met you and our friend Sweat. Yes,
I became friends with I guess son dot. He's he's
a name Steven Sweat. He's an artist too fat and
(12:45):
and uh he's great, and we became friends and we
hung out and stuff a little bit, not not nothing crazy.
But then I think it was twenty thirteen where I
actually spoke to you again there and super Con that year, okay,
and then you. You asked us about something we were
(13:08):
bonding over JAILI we spoke for like a whole like
thirty minutes from Justice Leaga International, the nineteen eighties run
of Justice League by Kevin Maguire and the Lake Keith
Giffen Dematis.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
You guys just everybody just loves Justice League International.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
It brings people together right here.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
And it was I think you guys had gotten together
in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
It would it would be, well we got married in
twenty thirteen, but we got like we were going out
kind of, I guess in like mid twenty eleven.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Well, it was one of the years the first time
I saw you at the booth, and I act it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Was so weird sleeping the booth we were keeping her.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
We had gotten to the point where we were talking
enough that you're like something like, you guys want to
keep your bags behind our booth because.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We else room.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And we're like, yeah, man, whatever, Because I think I
had like the previously the first second year I met you. Yeah,
I mean he was a super Connor or a mega
con Or. I had, like I bought like one of
each of the of the Sealisteners.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
The Sea Listeners is a book we work.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, and I was like in love with it, absolutely
appreciate everyone you mind.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
That kind of prompted a conversation because yes it is.
It's maybe a dirtier.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Jail, but we both wought it because like, your style
was very reminiscently reminded me at first, Blush of Kevin maguire,
of Frank Quietly, and which we were both like at
the time, like we still are mega fans of.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Can't tell you something funny you've already noticed. I guess
this is for listeners. I went to Kevin McGuire and
had him sign an issue of my book for me.
He was so confused and he's.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Like, yeah, sure, I mean, I mean whatever.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
In I said something very awkward to Frank quiet the
one time where I.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Was like, oh, He's like, oh, this is really good, and.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
I gave him a copy right and I was like, well,
in complimenting me, I didn't said well, hey man, it's
all your work anyway.
Speaker 8 (15:16):
It just came up like that. I'm sure he knew
what you've met. Yeah, he's a sweetheart, he said, yeah.
He said he said it up, dude. He realized that
I was just yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, but I think you might have been with you
because we'd given them back to them that one year.
And then it was uh, I'd met you, Nicole at
the booth on the side and I was like, and
I was talking to you like a customer and it
would sounds so weird right now, and we're like, I'm like, oh,
I love this. I love Bourbon's work on this. And
(15:56):
you're like, who's your favorite character?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And I was like.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
You we respond so and I remember talking about like
our favorite characters and stuff and and I was like, okay, bye.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And it was like so weird. I was like, you're
not Mervyn, who are you?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
And I was like, I felt like I felt like
the awkward customers sometimes comes up the booth and I
was and it wasn't like I know, it wasn't like
a disrespector that. I just like I was cough guard
because we were both engaging, like it was like it
was cool.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And yeah, from then it was like the bags.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Then we kept seeing each other and it was there
super Con Tampa Bay and yeah, you were you were
there in twenty thirteen, just it was you were long
for the journey too. Yeah, and when you brought me back.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
He brought me back Sea Whiskers number one and I
still have your your old card.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But the three the three stripes, it was like a
John w mc card.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I did love those cards. I might go back to
a look.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Right, they're all my backpack still.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Yeah, oh you said, okay, yeah, yeah, I might go
back to that design. It was a good design. I
mean people are probably like, I don't know what card
are you're talking about, to stop talking about it.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
But yeah, it looked like.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
The flag or the Mexican flag or the.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Cover Speeds, the cover of Speeds.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Oh yeah, the cover of Speeders which soon to be released.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Maybe we'll be released by the time by the time
this comes out, who knows who time travel? Yeah, yeah,
I guess I'm obsessed with that, right, yeah, the three
panel thing.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah design. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So uh okay, so let me ask you this just
to steer in this direction. But you've been coming to
the show, is whatever, and then you guys just started
helping us, mean, you know, most generous thing ever.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
It started off with so in two thousand and ten,
I started going to conventions as press. Yes, that's right,
and I was working for the Comic Nation dot com
oh no, no, no, I was working for BKBN yeah,
Big Kids, Big News, which was like like it was
like it was a website formed by toy reviewers from
YouTube and yeah it was, uh it was what it was.
(18:15):
I was writing like head I became head writer, like
really quickly because no one was writing like it was.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
They didn't have like any kind of structure. So I
got but I was sent out to go.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
I was get paid and basically press passes and books
and gifts and it was cool. I got to go
to all these conventions, Mega con with the old ownerst
s and p s who are amazing would let would
let us all in and give us press pass passes.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I think that's how we got.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
You got in the first, Jake gut In, Yeah, two
thirteen through like fifteen, I think, guy.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, I started doing like little comic reviews on the
site because you had.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Just oh I didn't know. I didn't know you worked
with them as well. Yeah not for a whole long time.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Yeah, yeah he was because I got writing about Gail
Simone and her books.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, just fang girl over.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
That so.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Great.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But we did the we like had your your booth
was like our base of operations and then we'd go
and do interviews and stuff with like everyone American. And
by twenty thirteen, I anything, I was doing interviews and
I got and uh, I forget what had happened.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
You asked me like, hey, can you get a picture
with someone holding our books?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
And I have hundreds of pictures you do people of
people holding sea listeners at the time.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
And then it was like twenty fourteen or something like
that that I think that we already din't take.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
A pictures of it.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
We'd already collabed at Mecon's super Con and Tampa Bay,
and I think that I went alone to Tampa Bay
one time, yes, because we're doing and you said, did
you want a room with us?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And I was like sure, you know, I you know,
I'm not nicole stuff with When I opened, I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh but yeah, and then they just went off from there.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
In my ny open gripping your pillow time.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Oh my god, I remember that because you told me
you were gonna be staying with them, and it was
it's like, you're.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Staying with these folks. You just like men year round,
did you like? But back then you couldn't share location,
abody your xbox after you die, Like.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think it like, was it like the year like
twenty fifteen or four or fifteen. I think when I
got I brought up we just founded the comment nation
dot com in twenty and thirty at the end of
maybe the Game of twenty fourteen, we left KBN and
made the comment Nation dot com. Yeah, and I brought
one of one of our one of the founders, came
down from I think Illin, Ohio.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, somewhere Midwest, yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Or Illinois, whatever, it came from up there, and he
came and the convention, it was.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
A weird experience.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
He's he's it's not him, but it was just like
everything happened strange. And we went with our friend Will
Jake Koram and me and we bought out all the
Sea letters.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yep, yeah it did.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
And that's like kind of like was like the the moment,
and I was like, I gave it to Korum and
I said, I said, you gotta take this with you
and give it to you know, someone to read because
we can try to letter. But yeah, and then I think, yeah,
that's when we started. And then I think we got
some commissions or something done yeah you did.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah, I did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about that commission that you know,
so okay, and you know, we really appreciate. Like I'd
say that whole situation definitely blossomed a great friendship because
I mean we you know, we visit one another, you know,
(22:13):
like we we travel when we can, you know, to
different shows and whatnot. But there's there's something that I
think keeps get getting brought up or is like under
the surface. That's a really important part of this whole thing.
And I think, because we don't have that much time,
I'm just going to say it's the art. Art is
(22:34):
probably a big thing. Why you even it were interested
in You mentioned anime, right, and then you mentioned all
these other artists that you met, and you know, you
were interviewing people in the comics industry and whatnot. So
art was definitely a huge part. And I think if
anybody is wondering why we had this whole conversation, this
(22:56):
whole statement right here should probably give you an idea.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Art is unifying.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yes, yeah, look at that, and now we're attached at
the hip.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yeah yeah, I mean that that day in twenty thirteen, ish, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Because honestly, like you know, when we were doing like
when we did the cons for like those two years
when I did the cons with Spencer, rather in those
like two years before we really got to know you guys,
and we could like use the booth as a base.
We would just like go chill in like the launch
area or whatever with like all of our crap, you know,
backpacks on all our bags and stuff and cameras. Yeah,
(23:32):
maybe we go go to the car like once or
twice and try to drop stuff off, but I mean
it was miserable, and like now I'm thinking about trying
to do that for like four days, I don't know
that I would, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Like anybody here that's never been to a show and
doesn't know anything about the show, they're exhausting for that reason,
whether they're in a ten de or even setting up.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's it's hard. But at least, like say, in this
case though, since you.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Know you have based operations, you know we're working together
whatnot at these things, it's like you're saying, it's not
as tedious because that other added level of tedium where
you have to lug your equipment and you don't have
a place to really kind of just even just even
if it's just standing geez, just a place where you
can just not bump into people, because right now the
(24:17):
show is so big that you're going to bump into
people as soon as maybe not tomorrow, but you probably will,
but as soon as Friday and Satura to hit and
even Sunday.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Sunday might be real nass if they have I don't
mean nasty.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Because of what I'm about to say, but NASTI just
in the figurative sense. But if it's like kids, like
free kids, or you know, when they do like half
off admission or whatever family day or whatever, it's gonna
bens Like if I had kids, I'd bring them to
I'm like, what discount?
Speaker 4 (24:50):
But even then, you know, it's still what they'd be
working the booth if you had kids. Yeah, I mean
that's a good point. I'm doing that yet them doing
the homework. Yeah, exactly.
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Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Nicky McCoy and I'm an illustrator, fashion designer and
traditional artist.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I'm Mervin McCoy illustrators, storyteller and digital artists.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
For more than a decade, we've traveled in the convention
scene from coast to coast.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We'd love to share what we've learned and are still
learning on our journey.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You're listening to Paper Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You hear that music?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
She stole it off the internet. Just kidding.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
It's spicy Beats b E E T S and he
hates beats. Let's check you out that SoundCloud. All right,
So we're back again. We're here with some special guests.
(00:50):
They're so special, all right. Well, I mean that's what my.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Parents tell me.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know, Hey, we're all special to someone.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
So we've made our annual pilgrimage to our mecca, if
you will.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
Yeah, Spencer's here with us as well as Jake. Hey,
and we just wanted to ask them some questions, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Plan of twenty A lawyer.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
I mean you might, you're very well might, because you
really don't know what we're gonna have.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That would be twenty minutes of silence.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
It might be it's like plea I plead the fifth
here you might have to.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
My spouse cannot convict me.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Well, so, okay, we have this wonderful, wonderful acoustics of
this hotel room because we're here at Megakan. You're not
going to be listening to this while Mega Coan is
going on. It would have happened already. So this is
a bit of time travel. And we met at Megakan.
We both met. You know, some people might know from
(01:52):
other shows or for conversations.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, but no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't even
know Nicole at the time. Yeah, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Know you when I first met you. What year was
that twenty thirteen? No, so I didn't know you or twelve?
Maybe it's twenty twelve. I mean I made it made
we may made me contact of twenty twelve. So here's
a fascinating thing about this whole contact.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Well, here's what fasting him with this whole conversation. Right,
I feel like I've known both of you longer.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
So you tell me these dates and I'm like, for real,
I feel like I knew you longer, like I felt
like I.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Knew you before like my whole life. Yeah right, yeah,
it's very crazy.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Well twenty twelve though, not to interrupt, but twenty twelve
was like fifteen years ago or whatever, and.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It was also supposed to be the end of the world. Yeah,
so look at that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But yes, yes, that is a thing.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
I mean they even made a movie about it critically
I claimed, award.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Winning That's a broad stroke, critically acclaimed.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
What's up? So okay, so you know, talking about hoween
my and whatnot.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I I do have a question though, like the convention scene,
like what what got you into it?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Me?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, okay, hi, yeah, I've been going to a mega
cons since.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Uh, I'm gonna call him out like that.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I'm not that type of show. Oh my gosh, Like,
did you forget? This show is not our other show.
It's fine. You won't lose your job for this one.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
No.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I came here in two thousand and two when I
was sixteen on a seventeen maybe on a school field
trip for my anime club. We coerced them to take
us to not co werce.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We convinced them.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I don't get course, a bunch of weeds trying to
get to an anime convention for the anime club that
we were in how do you course we made this
one the Omega nerd.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Raw r ross yea.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
In high school, he him and his girlfriend were like
the biggest, like the only anime people in school, and
they formed the Anime club. So like anyone who was
kind of like had an interest in and everything like
that and artwork and all, you know, baseline, like very
top level.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Joined the anime club and we all.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Saved up and one of the teachers, you know, we
all were like, it'd be really cool to go convention
one day and see like, you know, the actual real thing.
And this is before that like Big Bang Theory and everything,
like you know, comic cons and stuff were popular.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
How did you hear about Megaican though, because you know,
the internet was.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Like baby, so I think it was just like like
word of mouth and like.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
That's a good question, yeah right, because I love information
traveling the stoney.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think while you're thinking about that, I have a
totally new found respect for you that you like managed
to convince your teachers to like take you to a
whole anime like or I mean just comic convention, like
it's generally impressive.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, thank you, but it was it was really cool,
and we went with chaperones and everything and it was interesting.
And remember we stayed in Old Town in a trailer
like in like this explained. Old Old Town's like a
really small like theme park Kitchy, uh, like an amusement
(05:20):
park kind of thing. It's got Fairest wheels, it's got
Ferris wheels, and like it's like an all day, every
day fair but like literally kind of like lower bar.
But no, I'm not dissing it because we had a
phonehe were kids. But anyway, we've stayed there, and we
stayed on the campgrounds and we stayed like a camper
like for like it meant for like ten people, and
it was like it was like all the parents and
(05:41):
kids went there and it was only like eight of us,
six or six or eight of us and then like
three or four chaperones and we went for like we
went for like only a day, like it was like
but the show was only two days I think at
that time.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
So yeah, and uh yeah, that's where the first time
I went. I remember, not really into comments. I remember
buying the first time was buying the Kingdom Hearts soundtrack
and the katamar and Katamari Amasi.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Soundtrack You Will.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, and all the and all the remixes
and they were so I had those CDs for Katamari
and and Kingdom Heart. I think it was Katamori was
out that year. It was another year I got that one,
but I definitely got Kingdom Hearts for sure. And uh,
(06:42):
I remember meeting at that convention. Oh, George Lowe George
who played Space Ghosts Okay, oh yeah, And it was
the first celebrity that I ever met, and I still
have the autograph picture in my in my binder.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
He said something like Spencer loves Lamb Shanks or something
in a sexual way or something like that, and I
was sixteen or something like that, and it was it
was cute, it was fun.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Is he gone?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
No? I think he still lies.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And Mike could go to jail for right, you just
put his night in jail for the rest of his life.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
No, he was.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
He was.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
It was really nice and it was really cool seeing him.
And I really wasn't like deep into comics at the time.
I think I had had as a child, but then
it was like two thousand and four when I got
really back into comics. But in two thousand, uh, The
next year, two thousand and three, we went up again
and then we stayed.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
We went for two days.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I don't remember too much about that that that time
we went, but I do remember the time after that.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It was with I went by myself.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I went with like one of my friend our friends,
and then like you know, and then it was like
I went up my brother for a day, and I
went up with another friend for a day, and then
it wasn't until I was married I went up with
another with a group of friends, and every year it
just kept going. And then I think it was Jake
came with me in two.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Thousand and nine or ten, No, it.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Was it was twenty and twelve, because really that late
because Dad passed in twenty eleven, and it was right
after that that I kind of needed something to like
take my mind off of things. And Spencer had a
big old stack of comics. It was right after New
fifty two WED launched, and I was like, what's going
on with all these and He's like, oh, it's green lantern,
you check it out.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And I was like, all right, I'll.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Check it out, So start eating comics and stuff. Then
I broke my leg and I couldn't go, remember, because
I had broken legs. So it might've even been twenty
thirteen because dad passed in November. Broke my leg in
like December. He passed in like October. I broke my
leg in November.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And you know what it sounded like, You just said
your dad died and then broke your leg.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I was like, yo, I was spranked on my ashes
and then I, you know, slipped and fell. Oh is
that really what happened?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I was like, yeah, you should blame him. You know,
I'd made bad choices in dumped dirt bike.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
So but so, actually, yea, it might have been twenty
thirteen because I don't think I had in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
I would have been able to walk.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
And I think we've consecutively gone every year since except
for the pandemic years.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It was closed. You know, they didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I was here, man, There's nothing happened.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
But I was here in the parking lot, rolling on
the ground.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
This is my convention, the dirt accumulated on the rolling
in the parking lot.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think I had.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Gone though with Will and his brother in twenty eleven,
like ten eleven, twelve, Yes, okay, like and my ex wife, like,
we all came here altogether a bunch of times.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You brought me a print. Yeah, I think I was like,
you can just buy art?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What Yah?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
And it was either it was the two thousand and
nine It was funny because uh, Mervin and I were
we crossed paths, but we didn't know. In two thousand
and nine Super Con, Yes, and you did the artwork
for the I did some cover yeah, and you were there.
I went there to see Bruce Campbell. Yes, and he
(10:06):
was like the.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Host, like the guest of honor.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Big ears because when they got him, it was it
was like they had.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
The convention was so small.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
It reminded me of like like when you see like
the Convention and the Boys, like that episode in that
one season.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's how big the convention was.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Like it was it was like two rooms. Yeah it was.
I mean it's smaller than that.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Man.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, it's small.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It was like that or but it was like so.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Okay, so it's tricky.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Right, you've been to w Yeah, you've been to Okay,
you remember that time you went to a Taco fest. Yeah,
it was like that. That's where it was. So just
think of that and then Bruce Campbell was in the
middle of that.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Audience and they cut.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
They they cordoned off half of it for the lines,
and then they cut and then they cut it in
half again because they had.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
The the they had him.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Doing panels like right there in the main room, so
like the whole like it was like they cut it,
cut it, cut it and then like had the exhibitors
the back.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And so that's where you were there. I didn't know you.
I didn't know. We had no idea and I that's
where we crossed paths. But I had horrible flu that
we were. I was just like I had that.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I was, I.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Went, I had and I left like I just I
saw Bruce Campbell from Afar, I guy's autograph and I
don't remember even get it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I think got Bruce Campbell still and mister Assassin over here.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, and then it was like I think I went
to a couple of super cons yes with Will and
we used to do the comic thinking I'm all signed
and everything, and then where eventually Jake joined us sincey
thirteen and we were like just it was like every
convention of Florida. We were going to all of them,
Tampa Bay super Con, you know the one or two
they had there, and then the Megican and then we.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Go to like little ones too sometimes I think once
or twice, but.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Like, uh, with you, yeah, it was like two thousand
and like maybe like eleven or twelve where I saw
your artwork and we talked, yes, but it was awkward.
I wasn't quite like into like I was too shy
to meet like a lot of my creator friends. Like
then I was like the like, the most one I
would be so excitedful was George Prez and I was like, nope,
(12:17):
I'm done.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
He was so nice. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Rest in peace.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Yeah, but yeah, I think we met and talked briefly
in twenty twelve, I think or eleven one of those
years America, and I met you and our friend Sweat. Yes,
I became friends with I guess son dot. He's he's
a name Steven Sweat. He's an artist too fat and
(12:45):
and uh he's great, and we became friends and we
hung out and stuff a little bit, not not nothing crazy.
But then I think it was twenty thirteen where I
actually spoke to you again there and super Con that year, okay,
and then you. You asked us about something we were
(13:08):
bonding over JAILI we spoke for like a whole like
thirty minutes from Justice Leaga International, the nineteen eighties run
of Justice League by Kevin Maguire and the Lake Keith
Giffen Dematis.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
You guys just everybody just loves Justice League International.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
It brings people together right here.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
And it was I think you guys had gotten together
in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
It would it would be, well we got married in
twenty thirteen, but we got like we were going out
kind of, I guess in like mid twenty eleven.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Well, it was one of the years the first time
I saw you at the booth, and I act it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Was so weird sleeping the booth we were keeping her.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
We had gotten to the point where we were talking
enough that you're like something like, you guys want to
keep your bags behind our booth because.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We else room.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And we're like, yeah, man, whatever, Because I think I
had like the previously the first second year I met you. Yeah,
I mean he was a super Connor or a mega
con Or. I had, like I bought like one of
each of the of the Sealisteners.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
The Sea Listeners is a book we work.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, and I was like in love with it, absolutely
appreciate everyone you mind.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
That kind of prompted a conversation because yes it is.
It's maybe a dirtier.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Jail, but we both wought it because like, your style
was very reminiscently reminded me at first, Blush of Kevin maguire,
of Frank Quietly, and which we were both like at
the time, like we still are mega fans of.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Can't tell you something funny you've already noticed. I guess
this is for listeners. I went to Kevin McGuire and
had him sign an issue of my book for me.
He was so confused and he's.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Like, yeah, sure, I mean, I mean whatever.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
In I said something very awkward to Frank quiet the
one time where I.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Was like, oh, He's like, oh, this is really good, and.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
I gave him a copy right and I was like, well,
in complimenting me, I didn't said well, hey man, it's
all your work anyway.
Speaker 8 (15:16):
It just came up like that. I'm sure he knew
what you've met. Yeah, he's a sweetheart, he said, yeah.
He said he said it up, dude. He realized that
I was just yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, but I think you might have been with you
because we'd given them back to them that one year.
And then it was uh, I'd met you, Nicole at
the booth on the side and I was like, and
I was talking to you like a customer and it
would sounds so weird right now, and we're like, I'm like, oh,
I love this. I love Bourbon's work on this. And
(15:56):
you're like, who's your favorite character?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And I was like.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
You we respond so and I remember talking about like
our favorite characters and stuff and and I was like, okay, bye.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And it was like so weird. I was like, you're
not Mervyn, who are you?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
And I was like, I felt like I felt like
the awkward customers sometimes comes up the booth and I
was and it wasn't like I know, it wasn't like
a disrespector that. I just like I was cough guard
because we were both engaging, like it was like it
was cool.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And yeah, from then it was like the bags.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Then we kept seeing each other and it was there
super Con Tampa Bay and yeah, you were you were
there in twenty thirteen, just it was you were long
for the journey too. Yeah, and when you brought me back.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
He brought me back Sea Whiskers number one and I
still have your your old card.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But the three the three stripes, it was like a
John w mc card.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I did love those cards. I might go back to
a look.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Right, they're all my backpack still.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Yeah, oh you said, okay, yeah, yeah, I might go
back to that design. It was a good design. I
mean people are probably like, I don't know what card
are you're talking about, to stop talking about it.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
But yeah, it looked like.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
The flag or the Mexican flag or the.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Cover Speeds, the cover of Speeds.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Oh yeah, the cover of Speeders which soon to be released.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Maybe we'll be released by the time by the time
this comes out, who knows who time travel? Yeah, yeah,
I guess I'm obsessed with that, right, yeah, the three
panel thing.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah design. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So uh okay, so let me ask you this just
to steer in this direction. But you've been coming to
the show, is whatever, and then you guys just started
helping us, mean, you know, most generous thing ever.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
It started off with so in two thousand and ten,
I started going to conventions as press. Yes, that's right,
and I was working for the Comic Nation dot com
oh no, no, no, I was working for BKBN yeah,
Big Kids, Big News, which was like like it was
like it was a website formed by toy reviewers from
YouTube and yeah it was, uh it was what it was.
(18:15):
I was writing like head I became head writer, like
really quickly because no one was writing like it was.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
They didn't have like any kind of structure. So I
got but I was sent out to go.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
I was get paid and basically press passes and books
and gifts and it was cool. I got to go
to all these conventions, Mega con with the old ownerst
s and p s who are amazing would let would
let us all in and give us press pass passes.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I think that's how we got.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
You got in the first, Jake gut In, Yeah, two
thirteen through like fifteen, I think, guy.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, I started doing like little comic reviews on the
site because you had.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Just oh I didn't know. I didn't know you worked
with them as well. Yeah not for a whole long time.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Yeah, yeah he was because I got writing about Gail
Simone and her books.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, just fang girl over.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
That so.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Great.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But we did the we like had your your booth
was like our base of operations and then we'd go
and do interviews and stuff with like everyone American. And
by twenty thirteen, I anything, I was doing interviews and
I got and uh, I forget what had happened.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
You asked me like, hey, can you get a picture
with someone holding our books?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
And I have hundreds of pictures you do people of
people holding sea listeners at the time.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
And then it was like twenty fourteen or something like
that that I think that we already din't take.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
A pictures of it.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
We'd already collabed at Mecon's super Con and Tampa Bay,
and I think that I went alone to Tampa Bay
one time, yes, because we're doing and you said, did
you want a room with us?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And I was like sure, you know, I you know,
I'm not nicole stuff with When I opened, I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh but yeah, and then they just went off from there.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
In my ny open gripping your pillow time.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Oh my god, I remember that because you told me
you were gonna be staying with them, and it was
it's like, you're.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Staying with these folks. You just like men year round,
did you like? But back then you couldn't share location,
abody your xbox after you die, Like.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think it like, was it like the year like
twenty fifteen or four or fifteen. I think when I
got I brought up we just founded the comment nation
dot com in twenty and thirty at the end of
maybe the Game of twenty fourteen, we left KBN and
made the comment Nation dot com. Yeah, and I brought
one of one of our one of the founders, came
down from I think Illin, Ohio.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, somewhere Midwest, yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Or Illinois, whatever, it came from up there, and he
came and the convention, it was.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
A weird experience.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
He's he's it's not him, but it was just like
everything happened strange. And we went with our friend Will
Jake Koram and me and we bought out all the
Sea letters.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yep, yeah it did.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
And that's like kind of like was like the the moment,
and I was like, I gave it to Korum and
I said, I said, you gotta take this with you
and give it to you know, someone to read because
we can try to letter. But yeah, and then I think, yeah,
that's when we started. And then I think we got
some commissions or something done yeah you did.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah, I did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about that commission that you know,
so okay, and you know, we really appreciate. Like I'd
say that whole situation definitely blossomed a great friendship because
I mean we you know, we visit one another, you know,
(22:13):
like we we travel when we can, you know, to
different shows and whatnot. But there's there's something that I
think keeps get getting brought up or is like under
the surface. That's a really important part of this whole thing.
And I think, because we don't have that much time,
I'm just going to say it's the art. Art is
(22:34):
probably a big thing. Why you even it were interested
in You mentioned anime, right, and then you mentioned all
these other artists that you met, and you know, you
were interviewing people in the comics industry and whatnot. So
art was definitely a huge part. And I think if
anybody is wondering why we had this whole conversation, this
(22:56):
whole statement right here should probably give you an idea.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Art is unifying.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yes, yeah, look at that, and now we're attached at
the hip.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yeah yeah, I mean that that day in twenty thirteen, ish, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Because honestly, like you know, when we were doing like
when we did the cons for like those two years
when I did the cons with Spencer, rather in those
like two years before we really got to know you guys,
and we could like use the booth as a base.
We would just like go chill in like the launch
area or whatever with like all of our crap, you know,
backpacks on all our bags and stuff and cameras. Yeah,
(23:32):
maybe we go go to the car like once or
twice and try to drop stuff off, but I mean
it was miserable, and like now I'm thinking about trying
to do that for like four days, I don't know
that I would, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Like anybody here that's never been to a show and
doesn't know anything about the show, they're exhausting for that reason,
whether they're in a ten de or even setting up.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's it's hard. But at least, like say, in this
case though, since you.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Know you have based operations, you know we're working together
whatnot at these things, it's like you're saying, it's not
as tedious because that other added level of tedium where
you have to lug your equipment and you don't have
a place to really kind of just even just even
if it's just standing geez, just a place where you
can just not bump into people, because right now the
(24:17):
show is so big that you're going to bump into
people as soon as maybe not tomorrow, but you probably will,
but as soon as Friday and Satura to hit and
even Sunday.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Sunday might be real nass if they have I don't
mean nasty.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Because of what I'm about to say, but NASTI just
in the figurative sense. But if it's like kids, like
free kids, or you know, when they do like half
off admission or whatever family day or whatever, it's gonna
bens Like if I had kids, I'd bring them to
I'm like, what discount?
Speaker 4 (24:50):
But even then, you know, it's still what they'd be
working the booth if you had kids. Yeah, I mean
that's a good point. I'm doing that yet them doing
the homework. Yeah, exactly.
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