April 15, 2025 • 27 mins
We return with special guests Jake and Spencer as we examine Jake's artistic journey into all things digital and the importance of self-motivation. Mervyn and Nicki agree that passion is something artists need to drive themselves forward, and Mervyn delves into some of his own artistic process.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, I'm Nicky McCoy and I'm an illustrator, fashion designer
and traditional artist.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Mervin McCoy, illustrator, storyteller and digital artists.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
For more than a decade, we've traveled in the convention
scene from coast to coast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We'd love to share what we've learned and are still
learning on our journey.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You're listening to paper podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You hear that music.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
She stole it off the internet. Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's spicy beats b E E.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
T S and he hates beats.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Let's check you out that SoundCloud.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So we're on the topic of art right with Spencer
and Jake. You know, Jake needs to get some giggles out.
But that's a whole lot of that story.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Art.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You actually after all of this, you know we've met
many years ago, whatnot now you're working with us? Yeah,
like you do. You love flats, you lit inks you'll
do toning exactly so. But you said something before we
even started recording. You said, you don't feel like you're
doing art. You don't think you're doing art. Yeah, I
(01:16):
don't know if it's just the imposter syndrome, but like I.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Don't know, I wouldn't say that other people who are
like color like doing colors, or who are doing inks
and stuff, I wouldn't say that they're not doing art.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
But I feel like I'm not really doing art.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Why it's I mean, it's it's not I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
I just I guess it's not really I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I guess I never Is it because it's not your
vocation or something like that.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
No, I just like it's just I don't know why
it doesn't feel like I'm doing art?
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Is because you're enjoying it? Yeah, so is that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Why is it that you feel like there's a modicum
up suffering or like.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Is part of it because it's not like quote unquote
like entirely yours in a way, or it might be.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
But also kind of like yeah, maybe that's it, but
not for that reason. Not like I'm not like I'm saying,
you know, oh, this isn't mine, it's not our you know,
this is what I'm doing. It's more like kind of oh, yeah,
so I'm taking somebody else's art and making it, you know, different.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
I'm not even saying better, you know, I'm just making
it different.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
I mean that, which is an honor.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
I mean, I'm not even kidding, Like how many people
you know have you met and have been like, hey,
take this this thing that's so intimate that I put
so much of my own thought and feeling into. Please
take this and now make changes, do stuff to it.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
I mean, what an honor?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Not?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, I appreciate that you see it that way because
I've worked with professionals and it definitely don't care. I mean,
you know, I've done work for people, and that's usually
my approach. It's like, well, my goal is and hands
you know, it's it's not the necessary change, just to
collaborate that makes something new and different. Right, So what's interesting?
(03:07):
Everything you just said right there is uh, you know
you are You're important to the process. So I mean
obviously it might take time for you to to kind
of see that. I mean, I can't force that perspective
on your can I say something?
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Here, you're you're not only.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Enhancing it with your eye and like you're visual like
you know, visualizing something making it better?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
That is it from art?
Speaker 7 (03:36):
You aren't doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
It's it's the it's the chasing any argument the incher
versus the artist. You know how much you've ever seen
the movie if you yeah, you are enhancing it with
your eye.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
You've shown me.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Pictures on your on your work that like you've been
researching things and putting secret little things in there, and
your eye for changing this color and this shade and
this variant on things, and how you think this color
pallet the better on that one.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
And it's like, what do you mean, you're just messing around?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean, give yourself nomer credit, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And I think that like people that that don't take
it serious like that, like they're just jaded to a point.
But I know, it's a career, it's a job, and
you're it has to do something. But this this is
like a labor love that you started.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And you're just amplifying it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Also the fact that you haven't any level of imposter
syndrome means you actually take it seriously. It's like one
of those weird huh, you know situations where it's like
this negative emotion actually proves your investment in it, so
that investment actually kind of then reinforces that it is
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an artistic endeavor.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
In many ways, so you know, you wouldn't be questioning it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think otherwise, Oh, yeah, yea.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Artists.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And we had a friend here at conventions and he
is in an air quoting eaker. We know, we know,
you know Rob Yeah, yeah, I don't want to and
you know, I don't want to throw them out.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Like we met him.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
He was one of the first artists that interacted with
us on my personal level, and he would talk to
us on Facebook and at the time and everything like that.
I did interviews with him and he was an inker,
like like like that's all he did.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And then he sold his own.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Art of the shows to put it out there, and
he didn't get a book until like twenty I think
it was eleven or when the New fifty two launched.
It took him that long. He's been just an inker
to them and so like. And even with even with
ed Beans, he still he was still working with ed
Been's beans anyway. But you considered stuff art work.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
We have his stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
We have his work in our in our art books, yea.
And I mean like if you if you put your
stuff in there and showed it like in you take
his pencils in the basis of things and you amplify it,
it is our you guys preated together.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Even if you just add this that the other and
you guys are are proud of it.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
It's you know, because here's the thing. I'll even go
to another level.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So if you if say you're working in a situation
where it's even more restrictive. Let's say you're an animation
right where I know you already said, it's not like
you think other people that do exactly what you're doing
don't do art.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
It's not that it's a yeah, no, I totally honestand
what you're saying because you're in the imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Any artists goes through it if they're you know, if
they actually really are kind of invested in certain ways.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Not everybody, but you know, yes most I think so.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
In your case, I think it's this interesting thing where
you say, if you look at somebody doing animation where
things are very rigid, it's like you know, doing regular
like say to the animation, you have your your charts
and you have to make sure everything goes in place.
If you're a tweeting person where all you're doing is
literally just drawing the in between frames of the key frames, right,
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one might say.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Okay, well you don't control.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
What the actions are you don't want, but it's just
as important. It might seem quote unquote menial, but without
those tweens, what's gonna happen You're gonna have And we
talked about like before exactly exactly you're gonna look like Spider.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Verse, you know, and like you're caring for things and
excitement for it, and and that you're creating something. Is
that you wouldn't be texting me at three in the
afternoon asking me for some some hidden images that they
wanted to put into the book. I mean, and like
in some information about something to make it something unique
(07:37):
that you put your own spinning on. Yeah, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
So it is I do like the like the research
and stuff. Like when you sent me that other project
to work on m Hans, I had some links to
some like other I was gonna say war, but that's
not like an appropriate you know.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
I got you like information, yeah, yeah, enriched some background
or what Yeah, everything is.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
It was like, I'm gonna look at this stuff person
like I want to get in that headspace, you know,
like I want to get there and understand what I'm
trying to do before I just sit down with it,
you know.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
And I will just say more likely than not.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
We've worked with you know, several people in the past,
professionals quote unquote that don't eat.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
They don't have that approach.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Because mind you, maybe the passion has gone Twitter, maybe
that's just just them in general.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Whatever, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I think you need a bit of that to be
a good creator, whatever kind of artists you are.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
And I think being admirers of their work for all
these years, they're trusting you, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
To do something cool with it and your and your artistic.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
You know, your your your vision of what you.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Could amplify and make it better.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
But I'd even say this, even if I don't give
you any leeway, it's you still it's for you to execute.
My point of adding that part where even if you
whether you have leeway or not, it's it's the fact
that you're still putting pen to paper. It's like designing
a stop sign, right, one mind set of person that
design stop signs isn't an artist, but it's it's a.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
Very technical job. Yes, just like architecture is a technical job.
But are you going to strip the art from it?
Maybe it's not, you know, it's it's not going to be.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
It's not gallery art.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
But there is still value to it. It's still value
to the work.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I Mean, it might very based on people perceiving it,
but the amount of creativity or I guess the amount
of leeway you have in the.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Work doesn't change the fact that it's still the work.
Is that Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think the amazing thing about art is that it
can technically be everything in anything. And I think like
one of the biggest, like definitive things about it is
that it involves creativity in some capacity.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, you're sitting on a coach. You're like, why is
there an arm rest on here?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
It's crazy. I never had a culture the arm rest
like this and it's like modern art.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Well no, but exactly. Some designer.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
At whatever furniture company was like, yeah, I'm putting an
arm wrest.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
Let's see what the art director says. Now it's here.
Apparently worked out. It's terrible, but they still did it.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, this arm rest that is for like extremely tall people.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, shoulder level arm is it? The headrest?
Like that's why you tie your horses to right?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Yeah, it's like it started from the bottom. Now it's here.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
That's what it's called in the catalog.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, it's exactly. It's like a weird arm. It's like
a modern garbage Armoris. So you know you're an artist,
but you know, in your own time you'll you'll figure
it out.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
That's another thing too.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I feel like if I don't feel comfortable, like if
I were like to meet someone or talking about interests,
I don't think I'd be comfortable saying.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
That I'm an artist.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
You know, well okay, And I think there's a way
around that.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Uh, your you're practicing artists or your you know, your training, yeah,
or if that makes you feel comfortable, because you will eventually,
I think you know you do it.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
You get to get enough reps. You know what I mean?
Is that fair? It's it's it's muscles.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
At the end and day you're building up that that
art confidence muscle, and you know one day you know
that one of the the first time you sent me that,
I don't know if you feel comfortable talking about the
titles and pieces?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Which one is it's an older one, the very first
thing you've had an ink.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
You can say, we'll know, we will cut it out different.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Oh yeah, well no, you would send me the very
like the first page of art.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Oh yeah, the Charard thing.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I think have you ever inked? And like, up until
this point.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
This is a good learning lesson, guys.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
I was up until this point, I was still working
basically always pen and paper, pencil, paper, and I barely
felt comfortable penciling over my you know, my non photo blue.
I barely felt comfortable penciling over that. So when you
liked heavy the rings and I was like, bro, I
guess I ain't my own stuff, but I mean like
(12:20):
under you know, duress. Yeah, And then you said it
to me and you're like shot and I said, you know,
I tried, and then I sent it back.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
You're like, yeah, you know what you're doing, and you
sent me a whole bunch more.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Stuff and I was like, damn, Okay, Well here's the thing.
We've We've had people that literally contacted us because they
wanted that work. They wanted to do this stuff, and
it was terrible, Like you know, and you know, if
you I don't know why you've been listening to this,
I'm sure you wrote this off, but it's like, yeah,
(12:52):
you work was terrible, and you deserve to hear that
because you did a good job. At first, and then
you know, you know, we give some critiques on where
you know you probably need some improvement, and you did
it worse. Yeah, and you stopped trying. You weren't listening.
And here's the thing about your approach to what I respected.
Even the first time. I was like, hey, you said
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you're interested in work and art and improving. And I said, hey,
are you interested in, like maybe working with some flats
because I know you're interested in color stuff and whatnot
and you like that design aspect and you were like yeah.
And when I when you eventually came back to man,
you said the flats, I was like, oh shoot. And
I asked, wait, I thought you didn't know what to
(13:34):
do flats and I was like, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
Oh yeah, he said you didn't.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm like, wait, so what And you looked up some
YouTube videos He's like he did this.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Paringer moves ADHD all the strictions, including take care of myself,
you go, and not that he does that, No.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
Is just a leg.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
He is the most powerful force.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
I could never be destroyed.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's amazing at aching, but it's still a leg.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
No, you can never take him down. The power lies on.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Jake say yah yah yah yah, yeah, go go leg.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
No. That's but the thing is that approach.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I was like, Wow, it was very refreshing because, like
I said, I worked with you know, working professionals, worked
with aspiring artists, people that are aware of some of
these things, and it's just minimal efforts. And I don't demand.
I don't demand anything.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
I don't ask for a lot. I know that for
a fact.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Because I was doing the same work and I still
do the same work. And you know, if I if
you know, if I really don't understand I know something,
then I'll try to ask.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
But I just don't get Like the kid right that
was I thought, that's where you work.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So there's this kid that wanted to intern, right and
they were an art program, and you know, you know,
bless his soul, I just didn't understand how come he
didn't understand any of the terms, Like he didn't understand
what inking was, didn't understand flats, didn't And I was like, so,
(15:37):
but it's one thing if you came and you're like,
you just self taught, but you said you were doing
it program that was teaching animation and art. And I
saw some of the animations and they were very weird
and interesting, and that's what attracted us to even saying
all right.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
You know, let's let's see if it can work.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It was like it was kind of like general lack
of comprehension and it was interest seeing because like we
pretty much broke down what we specifically wanted in both
like writing and visual diagrams, and it still just kind
of fell through. So it was really, yeah, it was
it was really unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And yeah, so and it goes back to what we
said before. Intent, Like you you clearly care about it's
not even necessarily art. You care about the thing that
you're doing. So you're at least trying to put the
effort in. And like you said, you you talk to
Spencer and ask him for all these things for Easter eggs.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
So like that's a that's a.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Very different type of there's passion, yeah, you know, and
that's a I think that's a very important part of you.
Look like Jack Nicholson right now, Spencer is doing a.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
He doesn't like Jack Nicholson, but but passion is is
probably for me at least super essential.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Especially with the type of art that you you know,
you want to kind of do you do for yourself?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, And sometimes I feel like, I mean, I don't
know if this is your intent, but sometimes I feel
like you like you're not I'm not saying you're testing me,
like I don't test this guy, but like you're sort
of in a way like.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Testing me to push my own boundaries.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Because originally you would send me stuff and it would
have like line AR, you know, we labeled line R.
You would have like background or whatever. And then you
send me something in here and I was like, huh,
layer layer one layer of a jpeg. And I was like, here,
go ahead tell this and I'm like, all right, I'll
figure this out.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
And he figured it. Okay, So here's the thing. You
sit here. What he just said, I sent him layered stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And then when I started and I just sent you
like like you said, a jpeg and you I remember
you sent me a message saying hey, I forgot You
said something about hey, I think I'm gonna like like
copy paste something.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
Something used a selection. I'm like, what, what's what's what
you talking about it?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And then you came back and said, no, I'm just
going to use a multiplyler. You figure it out and
that's the thing, because you're actively using these things.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
And that's just how it works.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Sometimes you have all information, it's just like just getting
put into like like you get put in the lions
then right, and then you start like chopping up lines.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
That's just it.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
The way it pushes me to become better, like through
the research or the whatever.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
You know. Yeah, because you're willing and interesting and it's better.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
It's I'm better prepared now moving forward.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Also, but the most important thing problem solving, like art,
Like I know people don't associate it with it, but
but good artists can problem solve on fly, even if
they don't realize.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Their problem solving.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
You know.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
That's actually for me, that's part of the fun.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like, there's a page I was having some problems with
it and I just literally left it for a few days.
And this morning, before packing up of all things, I
was like, oh, and I got the idea. I told
Nicole it's for the After Future's book, and it's supposed
to be the double page spread of a bunch of
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people playing instruments.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
But initially I don't want.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Like human humans in that story. Maybe it committed impression
of humans or whatever. No, you haven't seen it because
I haven't even drawn it, like I have, like I
have a rough story.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
We will talk after. Who Yeah, we'll talk after.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So there's there's a bunch of there's supposed to be
a bunch of drums or whatever in it, right, And
initially it was going to have sound effects like like
everything bursts out, think of the Big Bang, everything just
exploding out of the Big Bang, and then the booms
and bangs or the sounds coming out of the Big
Bang and the drums and the music is coming out
of the Big Bang. Right, So I was gonna have
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the drums the drum zones in the foregrown, and then
I was gonna have the people playing in the mid
grown or whatever, right and coming out from the explosion.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
But here's the thing. I was like, I don't want
to draw people. It doesn't for me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It doesn't it, you know, just just just straight up people.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
It's just like why, like why they're just human beings here?
I just don't like it. But why?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So I wanted something more esoteric. So what I'm gonna
do is and this happened this morning. I don't know
why it happened like this. I had drawn the perspective
lines just to kind of lay out the thing already.
And then I started I started seeing a packer in
this morning, like I said, brain's weird, right, And I
said to me, oh wait, the sound effect should be
the drums and the instruments, so so as everything explodes
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out to obviously you know, perspective works. Everything's big in
the front because I'm using like I think i'm using one.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I'm just using basic one point perspective for this.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's not anything you know, sophisticated, but if you remember
one point perspective, they're a listener. Everything is big in
the front, and so all the instruments and the people
playing are bigger in the front. So I'm going to
have them like either people use in her hands to
play the drums or steal drums or regular you know,
(21:06):
symbols and whatnot drums, but all that, but but at
least the stuff in the in the front, Like I
won't draw a drum per se. This is going to
be hard to really explain, but it's gonna Nicole's like
falling asleep. But they'd say the shape of the like
the drum will be like you'll say, like a boom
boom like a boom or a doom doom, doom whatever,
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as opposed to me drawing out the full shape of
a drum.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
So if that makes sense, but whatever, you're going to
just see sound effects.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Kind of, the automatic becomes like a design element that
depicts the drum.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
As opposed to drawing stupid people boom tobe Yeah, okay,
yeah boom tooo from a Kirby.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
In some circumstances.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
Yeah, boom too, yeah, boom too.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
That's basically how the Soul Mariner started.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
What it's the Oh no, I know what it is,
but yeah, well I guess you can explain for the
people down here that don't.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Well, it was just another book by J. R. Tolkien.
It was discussing like the creation of the world.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
On which you know, like Middle Earth exists and everything
which is up actually supposed to be Earth Earth.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
So it is Earth Earth. Yeah, but before yes, so
corn I should be in.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
It if I cannot remember specifically, but I want to
say that. But Coming to Christ was the beginning of
the like Fifth Age or the sixth Age something like that.
The Lord of the Rings took place in the third Age,
and because yeah, he's he's he was a devout Catholic too,
and yeah, so he had no problem.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Reconciling the two.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
And yeah, but anyway, that's how it started, was was
the uh aw had the uh created all the basically
like the archangels and created a like a song he
created and so everything was in the world was created
from the song.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
And oh the word like you know, the lords spill
the universe? Okay, got the songs like what are you
talking about?
Speaker 5 (23:14):
It's a beautiful like you know thought, yeah, but that's
just what that reminded me of was the bang was like.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Was the music well in this it's a clap.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It was like, yeah, it was well with hands guys
with Hans, that's not that's not.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
You made it weird.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
We're gonna make it. We're in an end of snow.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well before we had Yeah, no, I'll just put in
my two cents, but I would say that even from
the beginning, it's just been interesting watching your artistic journey
along the way. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's really fascinating. That's all you wanted
to say, because I mean, you can a lot more
praise keeps going.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, but yeah, no, but it was just really.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Interesting because I mean, I guess as opposed to.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Some of other people that we've tried to work with,
like the fact that it's like if there was something
that you didn't know or like understand, the fact that
you would actually just research it on your own.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But I mean, like the self initiative was impressive, and
I think that like also to just it, like Mervin
was saying, like kind of like with like the reps
and everything like that, we've we've seen like a like
growth in your like artistic style and like what you
you know, are doing.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
So I think that that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I watched like as a very brief sort of many
biography about that.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
I uh, you know, we watched a Critical.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Role and they had they had like a bunch of
stint off programs and stuff and various streaming things, but
one of them had to do with art, and they
had a very talented artist on their.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
And had her kind of explain, you know, this.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Is how you draw ahead and the next one'd be like, hey,
and this is how you do like a bust, and
then it was kind.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
Of just how you do like a full on person
and stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
And I was watching these episodes, and I'm like, I
love critical and I love art. I guess I could
try to do these things along with these videos. And
then by the end of it, you know, like that
the series had finished, and I was like, well, now.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
What do I do?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Because I know more stuff to be told how to
draw and I kind of had to make my own.
And then I tried tried to learn drawing, you know,
things that I was really passionate about and everything, and
and then I think that just sort of naturally went
into like, hey, you like to do art, do you
want to can you help me do with this? And
so really it really worked out well to kind of
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like met up, you know, and merged at a good spot.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
In that in like in this field, I guess.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
You know, we merged, Yeah, we merged, all right.
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Hi, I'm Nicky McCoy and I'm an illustrator, fashion designer
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Mervin McCoy, illustrator, storyteller and digital artists.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
For more than a decade, we've traveled in the convention
scene from coast to coast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We'd love to share what we've learned and are still
learning on our journey.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's spicy beats b E E.
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
Let's check you out that SoundCloud.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So we're on the topic of art right with Spencer
and Jake. You know, Jake needs to get some giggles out.
But that's a whole lot of that story.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Art.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You actually after all of this, you know we've met
many years ago, whatnot now you're working with us? Yeah,
like you do. You love flats, you lit inks you'll
do toning exactly so. But you said something before we
even started recording. You said, you don't feel like you're
doing art. You don't think you're doing art. Yeah, I
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don't know if it's just the imposter syndrome, but like I.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Don't know, I wouldn't say that other people who are
like color like doing colors, or who are doing inks
and stuff, I wouldn't say that they're not doing art.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
But I feel like I'm not really doing art.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Why it's I mean, it's it's not I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
I just I guess it's not really I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I guess I never Is it because it's not your
vocation or something like that.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
No, I just like it's just I don't know why
it doesn't feel like I'm doing art?
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Is because you're enjoying it? Yeah, so is that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Why is it that you feel like there's a modicum
up suffering or like.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Is part of it because it's not like quote unquote
like entirely yours in a way, or it might be.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
But also kind of like yeah, maybe that's it, but
not for that reason. Not like I'm not like I'm saying,
you know, oh, this isn't mine, it's not our you know,
this is what I'm doing. It's more like kind of oh, yeah,
so I'm taking somebody else's art and making it, you know, different.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
I'm not even saying better, you know, I'm just making
it different.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
I mean that, which is an honor.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
I mean, I'm not even kidding, Like how many people
you know have you met and have been like, hey,
take this this thing that's so intimate that I put
so much of my own thought and feeling into. Please
take this and now make changes, do stuff to it.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
I mean, what an honor?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Not?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, I appreciate that you see it that way because
I've worked with professionals and it definitely don't care. I mean,
you know, I've done work for people, and that's usually
my approach. It's like, well, my goal is and hands
you know, it's it's not the necessary change, just to
collaborate that makes something new and different. Right, So what's interesting?
(03:07):
Everything you just said right there is uh, you know
you are You're important to the process. So I mean
obviously it might take time for you to to kind
of see that. I mean, I can't force that perspective
on your can I say something?
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Here, you're you're not only.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Enhancing it with your eye and like you're visual like
you know, visualizing something making it better?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
That is it from art?
Speaker 7 (03:36):
You aren't doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
It's it's the it's the chasing any argument the incher
versus the artist. You know how much you've ever seen
the movie if you yeah, you are enhancing it with
your eye.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
You've shown me.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Pictures on your on your work that like you've been
researching things and putting secret little things in there, and
your eye for changing this color and this shade and
this variant on things, and how you think this color
pallet the better on that one.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
And it's like, what do you mean, you're just messing around?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean, give yourself nomer credit, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And I think that like people that that don't take
it serious like that, like they're just jaded to a point.
But I know, it's a career, it's a job, and
you're it has to do something. But this this is
like a labor love that you started.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And you're just amplifying it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Also the fact that you haven't any level of imposter
syndrome means you actually take it seriously. It's like one
of those weird huh, you know situations where it's like
this negative emotion actually proves your investment in it, so
that investment actually kind of then reinforces that it is
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an artistic endeavor.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
In many ways, so you know, you wouldn't be questioning it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think otherwise, Oh, yeah, yea.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Artists.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And we had a friend here at conventions and he
is in an air quoting eaker. We know, we know,
you know Rob Yeah, yeah, I don't want to and
you know, I don't want to throw them out.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Like we met him.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
He was one of the first artists that interacted with
us on my personal level, and he would talk to
us on Facebook and at the time and everything like that.
I did interviews with him and he was an inker,
like like like that's all he did.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And then he sold his own.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Art of the shows to put it out there, and
he didn't get a book until like twenty I think
it was eleven or when the New fifty two launched.
It took him that long. He's been just an inker
to them and so like. And even with even with
ed Beans, he still he was still working with ed
Been's beans anyway. But you considered stuff art work.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
We have his stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
We have his work in our in our art books, yea.
And I mean like if you if you put your
stuff in there and showed it like in you take
his pencils in the basis of things and you amplify it,
it is our you guys preated together.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Even if you just add this that the other and
you guys are are proud of it.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
It's you know, because here's the thing. I'll even go
to another level.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So if you if say you're working in a situation
where it's even more restrictive. Let's say you're an animation
right where I know you already said, it's not like
you think other people that do exactly what you're doing
don't do art.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
It's not that it's a yeah, no, I totally honestand
what you're saying because you're in the imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Any artists goes through it if they're you know, if
they actually really are kind of invested in certain ways.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Not everybody, but you know, yes most I think so.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
In your case, I think it's this interesting thing where
you say, if you look at somebody doing animation where
things are very rigid, it's like you know, doing regular
like say to the animation, you have your your charts
and you have to make sure everything goes in place.
If you're a tweeting person where all you're doing is
literally just drawing the in between frames of the key frames, right,
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one might say.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Okay, well you don't control.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
What the actions are you don't want, but it's just
as important. It might seem quote unquote menial, but without
those tweens, what's gonna happen You're gonna have And we
talked about like before exactly exactly you're gonna look like Spider.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Verse, you know, and like you're caring for things and
excitement for it, and and that you're creating something. Is
that you wouldn't be texting me at three in the
afternoon asking me for some some hidden images that they
wanted to put into the book. I mean, and like
in some information about something to make it something unique
(07:37):
that you put your own spinning on. Yeah, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
So it is I do like the like the research
and stuff. Like when you sent me that other project
to work on m Hans, I had some links to
some like other I was gonna say war, but that's
not like an appropriate you know.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
I got you like information, yeah, yeah, enriched some background
or what Yeah, everything is.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
It was like, I'm gonna look at this stuff person
like I want to get in that headspace, you know,
like I want to get there and understand what I'm
trying to do before I just sit down with it,
you know.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
And I will just say more likely than not.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
We've worked with you know, several people in the past,
professionals quote unquote that don't eat.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
They don't have that approach.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Because mind you, maybe the passion has gone Twitter, maybe
that's just just them in general.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Whatever, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I think you need a bit of that to be
a good creator, whatever kind of artists you are.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
And I think being admirers of their work for all
these years, they're trusting you, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
To do something cool with it and your and your artistic.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
You know, your your your vision of what you.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Could amplify and make it better.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
But I'd even say this, even if I don't give
you any leeway, it's you still it's for you to execute.
My point of adding that part where even if you
whether you have leeway or not, it's it's the fact
that you're still putting pen to paper. It's like designing
a stop sign, right, one mind set of person that
design stop signs isn't an artist, but it's it's a.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
Very technical job. Yes, just like architecture is a technical job.
But are you going to strip the art from it?
Maybe it's not, you know, it's it's not going to be.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
It's not gallery art.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
But there is still value to it. It's still value
to the work.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I Mean, it might very based on people perceiving it,
but the amount of creativity or I guess the amount
of leeway you have in the.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Work doesn't change the fact that it's still the work.
Is that Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think the amazing thing about art is that it
can technically be everything in anything. And I think like
one of the biggest, like definitive things about it is
that it involves creativity in some capacity.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, you're sitting on a coach. You're like, why is
there an arm rest on here?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
It's crazy. I never had a culture the arm rest
like this and it's like modern art.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Well no, but exactly. Some designer.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
At whatever furniture company was like, yeah, I'm putting an
arm wrest.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
Let's see what the art director says. Now it's here.
Apparently worked out. It's terrible, but they still did it.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, this arm rest that is for like extremely tall people.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, shoulder level arm is it? The headrest?
Like that's why you tie your horses to right?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Yeah, it's like it started from the bottom. Now it's here.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
That's what it's called in the catalog.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, it's exactly. It's like a weird arm. It's like
a modern garbage Armoris. So you know you're an artist,
but you know, in your own time you'll you'll figure
it out.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
That's another thing too.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I feel like if I don't feel comfortable, like if
I were like to meet someone or talking about interests,
I don't think I'd be comfortable saying.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
That I'm an artist.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
You know, well okay, And I think there's a way
around that.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Uh, your you're practicing artists or your you know, your training, yeah,
or if that makes you feel comfortable, because you will eventually,
I think you know you do it.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
You get to get enough reps. You know what I mean?
Is that fair? It's it's it's muscles.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
At the end and day you're building up that that
art confidence muscle, and you know one day you know
that one of the the first time you sent me that,
I don't know if you feel comfortable talking about the
titles and pieces?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Which one is it's an older one, the very first
thing you've had an ink.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
You can say, we'll know, we will cut it out different.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Oh yeah, well no, you would send me the very
like the first page of art.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Oh yeah, the Charard thing.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I think have you ever inked? And like, up until
this point.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
This is a good learning lesson, guys.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
I was up until this point, I was still working
basically always pen and paper, pencil, paper, and I barely
felt comfortable penciling over my you know, my non photo blue.
I barely felt comfortable penciling over that. So when you
liked heavy the rings and I was like, bro, I
guess I ain't my own stuff, but I mean like
(12:20):
under you know, duress. Yeah, And then you said it
to me and you're like shot and I said, you know,
I tried, and then I sent it back.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
You're like, yeah, you know what you're doing, and you
sent me a whole bunch more.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Stuff and I was like, damn, Okay, Well here's the thing.
We've We've had people that literally contacted us because they
wanted that work. They wanted to do this stuff, and
it was terrible, Like you know, and you know, if
you I don't know why you've been listening to this,
I'm sure you wrote this off, but it's like, yeah,
(12:52):
you work was terrible, and you deserve to hear that
because you did a good job. At first, and then
you know, you know, we give some critiques on where
you know you probably need some improvement, and you did
it worse. Yeah, and you stopped trying. You weren't listening.
And here's the thing about your approach to what I respected.
Even the first time. I was like, hey, you said
(13:14):
you're interested in work and art and improving. And I said, hey,
are you interested in, like maybe working with some flats
because I know you're interested in color stuff and whatnot
and you like that design aspect and you were like yeah.
And when I when you eventually came back to man,
you said the flats, I was like, oh shoot. And
I asked, wait, I thought you didn't know what to
(13:34):
do flats and I was like, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
Oh yeah, he said you didn't.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm like, wait, so what And you looked up some
YouTube videos He's like he did this.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Paringer moves ADHD all the strictions, including take care of myself,
you go, and not that he does that, No.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
Is just a leg.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
He is the most powerful force.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
I could never be destroyed.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's amazing at aching, but it's still a leg.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
No, you can never take him down. The power lies on.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Jake say yah yah yah yah, yeah, go go leg.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
No. That's but the thing is that approach.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I was like, Wow, it was very refreshing because, like
I said, I worked with you know, working professionals, worked
with aspiring artists, people that are aware of some of
these things, and it's just minimal efforts. And I don't demand.
I don't demand anything.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
I don't ask for a lot. I know that for
a fact.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Because I was doing the same work and I still
do the same work. And you know, if I if
you know, if I really don't understand I know something,
then I'll try to ask.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
But I just don't get Like the kid right that
was I thought, that's where you work.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So there's this kid that wanted to intern, right and
they were an art program, and you know, you know,
bless his soul, I just didn't understand how come he
didn't understand any of the terms, Like he didn't understand
what inking was, didn't understand flats, didn't And I was like, so,
(15:37):
but it's one thing if you came and you're like,
you just self taught, but you said you were doing
it program that was teaching animation and art. And I
saw some of the animations and they were very weird
and interesting, and that's what attracted us to even saying
all right.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
You know, let's let's see if it can work.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It was like it was kind of like general lack
of comprehension and it was interest seeing because like we
pretty much broke down what we specifically wanted in both
like writing and visual diagrams, and it still just kind
of fell through. So it was really, yeah, it was
it was really unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And yeah, so and it goes back to what we
said before. Intent, Like you you clearly care about it's
not even necessarily art. You care about the thing that
you're doing. So you're at least trying to put the
effort in. And like you said, you you talk to
Spencer and ask him for all these things for Easter eggs.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
So like that's a that's a.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Very different type of there's passion, yeah, you know, and
that's a I think that's a very important part of you.
Look like Jack Nicholson right now, Spencer is doing a.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
He doesn't like Jack Nicholson, but but passion is is
probably for me at least super essential.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Especially with the type of art that you you know,
you want to kind of do you do for yourself?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, And sometimes I feel like, I mean, I don't
know if this is your intent, but sometimes I feel
like you like you're not I'm not saying you're testing me,
like I don't test this guy, but like you're sort
of in a way like.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Testing me to push my own boundaries.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Because originally you would send me stuff and it would
have like line AR, you know, we labeled line R.
You would have like background or whatever. And then you
send me something in here and I was like, huh,
layer layer one layer of a jpeg. And I was like, here,
go ahead tell this and I'm like, all right, I'll
figure this out.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
And he figured it. Okay, So here's the thing. You
sit here. What he just said, I sent him layered stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And then when I started and I just sent you
like like you said, a jpeg and you I remember
you sent me a message saying hey, I forgot You
said something about hey, I think I'm gonna like like
copy paste something.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
Something used a selection. I'm like, what, what's what's what
you talking about it?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And then you came back and said, no, I'm just
going to use a multiplyler. You figure it out and
that's the thing, because you're actively using these things.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
And that's just how it works.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Sometimes you have all information, it's just like just getting
put into like like you get put in the lions
then right, and then you start like chopping up lines.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
That's just it.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
The way it pushes me to become better, like through
the research or the whatever.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
You know. Yeah, because you're willing and interesting and it's better.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
It's I'm better prepared now moving forward.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Also, but the most important thing problem solving, like art,
Like I know people don't associate it with it, but
but good artists can problem solve on fly, even if
they don't realize.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Their problem solving.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
You know.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
That's actually for me, that's part of the fun.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like, there's a page I was having some problems with
it and I just literally left it for a few days.
And this morning, before packing up of all things, I
was like, oh, and I got the idea. I told
Nicole it's for the After Future's book, and it's supposed
to be the double page spread of a bunch of
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people playing instruments.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
But initially I don't want.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Like human humans in that story. Maybe it committed impression
of humans or whatever. No, you haven't seen it because
I haven't even drawn it, like I have, like I
have a rough story.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
We will talk after. Who Yeah, we'll talk after.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So there's there's a bunch of there's supposed to be
a bunch of drums or whatever in it, right, And
initially it was going to have sound effects like like
everything bursts out, think of the Big Bang, everything just
exploding out of the Big Bang, and then the booms
and bangs or the sounds coming out of the Big
Bang and the drums and the music is coming out
of the Big Bang. Right, So I was gonna have
(19:50):
the drums the drum zones in the foregrown, and then
I was gonna have the people playing in the mid
grown or whatever, right and coming out from the explosion.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
But here's the thing. I was like, I don't want
to draw people. It doesn't for me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It doesn't it, you know, just just just straight up people.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
It's just like why, like why they're just human beings here?
I just don't like it. But why?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So I wanted something more esoteric. So what I'm gonna
do is and this happened this morning. I don't know
why it happened like this. I had drawn the perspective
lines just to kind of lay out the thing already.
And then I started I started seeing a packer in
this morning, like I said, brain's weird, right, And I
said to me, oh wait, the sound effect should be
the drums and the instruments, so so as everything explodes
(20:37):
out to obviously you know, perspective works. Everything's big in
the front because I'm using like I think i'm using one.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I'm just using basic one point perspective for this.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's not anything you know, sophisticated, but if you remember
one point perspective, they're a listener. Everything is big in
the front, and so all the instruments and the people
playing are bigger in the front. So I'm going to
have them like either people use in her hands to
play the drums or steal drums or regular you know,
(21:06):
symbols and whatnot drums, but all that, but but at
least the stuff in the in the front, Like I
won't draw a drum per se. This is going to
be hard to really explain, but it's gonna Nicole's like
falling asleep. But they'd say the shape of the like
the drum will be like you'll say, like a boom
boom like a boom or a doom doom, doom whatever,
(21:29):
as opposed to me drawing out the full shape of
a drum.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
So if that makes sense, but whatever, you're going to
just see sound effects.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Kind of, the automatic becomes like a design element that
depicts the drum.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
As opposed to drawing stupid people boom tobe Yeah, okay,
yeah boom tooo from a Kirby.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
In some circumstances.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
Yeah, boom too, yeah, boom too.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
That's basically how the Soul Mariner started.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
What it's the Oh no, I know what it is,
but yeah, well I guess you can explain for the
people down here that don't.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Well, it was just another book by J. R. Tolkien.
It was discussing like the creation of the world.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
On which you know, like Middle Earth exists and everything
which is up actually supposed to be Earth Earth.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
So it is Earth Earth. Yeah, but before yes, so
corn I should be in.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
It if I cannot remember specifically, but I want to
say that. But Coming to Christ was the beginning of
the like Fifth Age or the sixth Age something like that.
The Lord of the Rings took place in the third Age,
and because yeah, he's he's he was a devout Catholic too,
and yeah, so he had no problem.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Reconciling the two.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
And yeah, but anyway, that's how it started, was was
the uh aw had the uh created all the basically
like the archangels and created a like a song he
created and so everything was in the world was created
from the song.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
And oh the word like you know, the lords spill
the universe? Okay, got the songs like what are you
talking about?
Speaker 5 (23:14):
It's a beautiful like you know thought, yeah, but that's
just what that reminded me of was the bang was like.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Was the music well in this it's a clap.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It was like, yeah, it was well with hands guys
with Hans, that's not that's not.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
You made it weird.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
We're gonna make it. We're in an end of snow.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well before we had Yeah, no, I'll just put in
my two cents, but I would say that even from
the beginning, it's just been interesting watching your artistic journey
along the way. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's really fascinating. That's all you wanted
to say, because I mean, you can a lot more
praise keeps going.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, but yeah, no, but it was just really.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Interesting because I mean, I guess as opposed to.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Some of other people that we've tried to work with,
like the fact that it's like if there was something
that you didn't know or like understand, the fact that
you would actually just research it on your own.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But I mean, like the self initiative was impressive, and
I think that like also to just it, like Mervin
was saying, like kind of like with like the reps
and everything like that, we've we've seen like a like
growth in your like artistic style and like what you
you know, are doing.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
So I think that that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I watched like as a very brief sort of many
biography about that.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
I uh, you know, we watched a Critical.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Role and they had they had like a bunch of
stint off programs and stuff and various streaming things, but
one of them had to do with art, and they
had a very talented artist on their.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
And had her kind of explain, you know, this.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Is how you draw ahead and the next one'd be like, hey,
and this is how you do like a bust, and
then it was kind.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
Of just how you do like a full on person
and stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
And I was watching these episodes, and I'm like, I
love critical and I love art. I guess I could
try to do these things along with these videos. And
then by the end of it, you know, like that
the series had finished, and I was like, well, now.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
What do I do?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Because I know more stuff to be told how to
draw and I kind of had to make my own.
And then I tried tried to learn drawing, you know,
things that I was really passionate about and everything, and
and then I think that just sort of naturally went
into like, hey, you like to do art, do you
want to can you help me do with this? And
so really it really worked out well to kind of
(25:45):
like met up, you know, and merged at a good spot.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
In that in like in this field, I guess.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
You know, we merged, Yeah, we merged, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
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Speaker 2 (25:59):
You can find us at paper Lab Studios on Instagram
or paperlab studios dot com, or just drop us a
line at design at paper lab studios dot com.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
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Speaker 7 (26:12):
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