Episode 124: William R. Cox

This podcast episode features William R. Cox, a prolific author of over 1,000 pulp stories known for his crime-fiction, sports, and western novels. It also includes a review of a 1967 vintage suspense-thriller by John Farris. Listen today! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Good morning, everyone everywhere for every time. I'm Eric and
I'm your host for this episode of the Paperback Warrior podcast.
You can check out Paperbackwarrior dot com for reviews, articles,
links to more podcast episodes, and stream hundreds of YouTube
videos all about vintage fiction. Today's episode is going to
focus on a pulpster that was rumored to have written

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six hundred thousand words per year for fourteen straight years
during the heyday of the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties.
He wrote for television, movies, novels, and his name is
William R. Cox. I had a blast researching his life
in literary work, and I think you'll have an equally
good time hearing me talk about him. Also today I
have a review of a vintage nineteen sixty seven paperback

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by John Ferris titled when Michael Calls All that is
happening Today. I also wanted to tell you about this
book that's been on my want list. The book is
titled Snowbird and it's written by Larry Levine. Now I'm
not sure who that is, but I know he wrote
only one other book, and that was called The Treasure.

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But talking about Snowbird, it was published by Falset Gold
Medal in nineteen seventy seven. It's got a great cover
of some guys trudging through the snow with ropes and guns.
The blurb ay the top says secret agents don't resign,
they vanish. The back of the book says, what do
you do if you're a tough contract killer for the

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CIA and you find out the director has you marked
for death to cover up his own vicious plotting against
the country man. This book is really hard to track down.
I've never actually seen a copy in the wild. It's
on my list to always check when I go into bookstores.
There's a copy on eBay for forty dollars right now.
There's one copy on Abe Books in England for eleven

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US dollars, but it's thirty five dollars in shipping charges.
So I was delighted when a fan of Paperback Warrior,
Brian Brassfield, he reached out to me via Facebook Messenger
and asked if I still needed the book. He found
it for a dollar fifty had John King Books in Detroit,
and he was kind enough to mail it to me. Now,
this isn't the first time Brian has sent me books.

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He also give to me a hardcover of a horror
novel titled Devil House earlier this year. Brian's a cool dude.
Thanks so much for sending this to me, and I
look forward to reading this one. I'm recording this episode
in the middle of several writing projects. I'm working on
several things for Bob Dice and Bill Cunningham. I'm writing
introductions for their newest issue of Men's of Venture Quarterly,

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while alternating my time in between the write book analysis
for their third volume of the Art of Ron Lesser,
and I'm also writing a few other things as well.
So this episode, so it may seem a little short
compared to the last one, which geez, I think I
rambled on for like forty five minutes or more. Let's
not do this on today's episode. How about we just
jump right into the feature today after this lovely music number. Okay,

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So today's feature is on a prolific pulpster, television and
movie screenwriter and novelist William R. Cox. I understand this
name might be unfamiliar to you, but as I get
into this feature, you'll probably realize you've read something by him,
or maybe even a related work that he contributed to
in some fashion. He wrote over one thousand short stories,

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one hundred or more television scripts, and at least eighty novels.
This guy was an absolute beast. He wrote for a
variety of genres. So let's just jump right into his life. So.
William Robert Cox was born in nineteen oh one in
New Jersey. He grew up working for his father delivering
ice and coal. As an athlete in high school, we

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played baseball, basketball, tennis, and he even did some boxing.
He played football in New Jersey in Pennsylvania leagues, and
he attended both Rutgers and Princeton Universities. But he turned
to writing at a very young age. Sometime in his
late teens, Cox wrote for a Newark, New Jersey newspaper
titled Sunday Call. In his early twenties, he edited an

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Italian American newspaper titled La Tribuna. When he was twenty nine,
Cox's first major published work was a short non fiction
article titled A Teacher of French Grammar in the October
nineteen thirty edition of Parisian Life. He used the pseudonym
of Eric James. Three years later, his first fictional story

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was published. It was a sports short about football published
an American Boy, and this was like a gateway to
ease into the pulp market with sports stories. Cox he
really got busy on these by contributing stories to Dimes
Sports Magazine, a sports monthly, knock out magazine, Ten Story
Sports and Sports Novels magazine all through the nineteen thirties.

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He pinned well over two hundred sports stories in the
nineteen thirties using his own name and also that of
Cliff Ferrell, Larry Jones, Roger Spelman, William Haleiger, Frank Gilmour,
Bill Arcy, John Easterland, and Daniel Winters. You see a
lot of these magazines featured multiple stories by Cox, so

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by using the pseudonyms, it would appear to readers like
they were written by different authors. And this was a
common pulp trope. But he wasn't just writing sports stories
in the nineteen thirties. Cox's first detective character was created
in nineteen thirty seven. It was a hero named Donnie Jordan. Now.
Jordan would debut in the July nineteen thirty seven issue
of ten Detective Aces and would reappear in two issues

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of Captain Satan in nineteen thirty eight, and the last
appearance of the character in a nineteen forty two issue
of New Detective Magazine. I haven't read any of these stories,
but blackgate dot com to Captain Satan's story appearance and
described Jordan as quote one who doesn't like to sit
around and wait for the machinery of justice to creak along.

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He makes things happen on his own. One of Cox's
longest running series titles was that of John Wade. The
John Wade character debuted in Detective Tales in nineteen thirty
nine and would appear nineteen more times in that magazine
through nineteen forty five. Wade is a former con man
who now solves crimes and infiltrates criminal enterprises on requests

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from the state governor. You can get the first six
appearances of this character in one collection from Steger Books.
It's titled The Complete Cases of John Wade, Volume One,
and this was published in November of twenty twenty four.
Also in nineteen thirty nine was another of Cox's long
running series titles, that of Phil Town. That's town with

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an E on the end, so Phil Town debuted in
Ace g Mann Stories in the November December nineteen thirty
nine issue. He would appear thirteen more stress in that
magazine through nineteen forty three. Now, Town is a character
that works for the FBI and is sent to corrupt
towns all across America to weed out crime. It's a
simple setup that deposites Town into investigations of things like gambling, rackets,

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bank heist, political bullies. There's plenty of action. It's all
plot propulsive, and that's phil Town. To my knowledge, there
hasn't been any reprints of these stories, but you can
read several of the aceg Man issues on archive dot
org that include Town. The nineteen forties roll In and
Cox is as busy as ever. He moves to Florida,
and he's now continued to write his sports stories for

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magazines like Dime Sports, Baseball Stories Magazine and Dime Sports Magazine.
But he's writing a lot of standalone crime fiction two
and these are appearing in some of the glossy magazines
like Colliers, Liberty, and Argacy. His first Saturday Evening Post
story was published in November nineteen forty. This decade, he
also added even more pseudonyms like Jackson Schultz, Dave Crewe,

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Lance Kermit, Jewel Reeve, and John park Hill. He also
creates another recurring series character in Tom Kincaid, not to
be confused with a painter. This character first appeared in
Dime Mystery magazine in May nineteen forty one, and would
appear fourteen more times for that magazine through nineteen forty six.
Now Kincaid is a gambler, and he's got a partner

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named Matt Durkin. Kincaid was once a guy named Timothy Kinsoving.
He was an honest gambler that ran a chain of
gambling places across the US. His motto was always give
a sucker and even break you might get a return bout.
But his empire crumbled when a millionaire named George Gray
began to kill off all of Kinsoving's gambling houses and

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all of his honest men. Gray also killed Durkins's cousin,
so both Kinsovving, who's now going by the name Kincaid,
and his partner Durkin, are out to avenge their losses
by nailing George Gray and his criminal network of dishonest gamblers.
I'm going to circle back to the Kincaid when we
get into Cox's full length novels, so just stay with me.

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Another new thing that happens in the nineteen forties is
Cox's penchant for writing westerns. It begins with his first
published Western story, The Night of the Blood Bucket Raid,
in Dime Western Magazine in January nineteen forty one. He
becomes a prolific writer of Western fiction, with stories and
novels appearing in magazines like Western Adventures, Star Western, Street

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and Smith's Wild West Weekly, and Western Tales, among others.
This helps solidify another recurring series character for Cox, a
cowboy named Duke Bagley. He debuted in Star Western's December
nineteen forty two issue, and he would reappear fourteen more
times through nineteen forty six. The character's history is that
when he was a boy, his family's ranch was swimmed

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out from under him. He grew up, he left home
and became a wild adventurer. I don't believe these stories
have been reprinted and the Star Western magazines, well, they're
not on archive dot org from my attempts at locating them,
so not much luck in reading those. Blue Book Magazine
was like a second home for William Cox. He wrote
tons of stories for the magazine using the name Joel Reeve.

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I want to tell you about all these series titles. Again,
the name was Joel Reeve. The first is a recurring
set of characters in the nineteen forties called the Fabulous Moraineys.
They debuted in the September nineteen forty three issue of
Blue Book under Cox's pseudonym of Joel Reeve. They would
appear six more times through November nineteen forty four. Now,
I don't have much info on this family of characters,

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but here's the little bit of info I gained from
the August nineteen forty four issue of Blue Book. The
Mad Morainees, as they are often described, features brothers Picasso, Matisse, Elgrico,
and Tommy, with Tommy being the narrator of the stories
in this issue. Tommy is serving in the US Coast
Guard and the Moraines live on eighty ninth Street, I

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assume in New York, and they're a wealthy family. The
family's father is a painter and he's an illustrator. Again,
I don't have much info in the characters, and these
stories haven't been reprinted anywhere that I can see, but
from what I can sell, this is maybe sort of
a literary sort of thing. Also, Cox appeared in Blue
Book with another literary work under the name of Jewel
Reeve as well. These are stories featuring the Old Neighborhood.

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The debut was the September nineteen forty four issue, and
there would be twenty of these stories in Blue Book
through nineteen fifty two. Now, the Old Neighborhood is just
a few blocks in New York City that feature characters
like newspaper reporters, police officers, detectives, shopkeepers. Cox's stories kind
of changed the main characters around, but central to the

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stories is always a beat cop named Patrolman Murphy, what
is eventually considered the champion police officer of their neighborhood.
I think these are mostly crime fiction stories, but I
also believe they have a more literary flavor. Again, these
haven't been reprinted that I know of, and only a
few issues of these Blue Books appear on archive dot Org.
It's a real shame because this is a series I

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really would enjoy reading from beginning to end. It seems
really interesting to me. Now Blue Book couldn't get enough
of William Cox. Once again, using the name Joel Reeve,
the magazine published a new series created by the author,
starring a young, up and coming boxer named Willie Boulder.
The debut was in the February nineteen forty six issue
of the magazine, and there would be eleven further appearances

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of this character through March nineteen forty seven. Three issues
of Bluebook are in archive dot Org featuring these stories,
including the debut story Boy in a Hurry. Babe Lucky
Young was another Blue Book gig for Cox, using the
name Joel Reeve. The character again is Babe Lucky Young.
First appearance was July nineteen forty seven, and then eight

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more appearances through November nineteen forty eight. Babe Young is
a college boxer and he hesitantly gets his first start
in the ring in the debut story. Again, these aren't
available in reprint or anything, so I don't know how
to read them. Again. The name Joel Reeve pops up
in three issues of Blue Book April and May of
nineteen forty seven, and then March of nineteen forty eight.

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The stories concerned a carnival Midway, so the series is
referred to as The Midway. I don't know the particulars
of it. The only story available in archive dot org
is the last one. Noney of these have been reprinted.
From a glance, it seems similar to the Little Dock series,
which I'm going to tell you about now. Cox's pseudonym
Joel Reeve was used in Detective Tales to write a

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series of stories starring a little doc. He's a carnival
owner that travels the country keeping his carnes and roustabouts
out of trouble. He does this by working with all
the local police officers. This also involves crimes that typically
haven't been committed by his own carnival employees yet the
police suspects. Since they're new in town, they're the general

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suspects early on. It's a cool idea. There were four
Little Dock stories published in Detective Tales between December nineteen
forty five and January nineteen forty seven, again all using
the Joel Reeve name, and also none of them are
in proNT now. Another recurring series character for Cox is
Malachi Manatee. He appeared in Dime Detective magazine from August

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nineteen forty four through September nineteen forty six, with nine
total stories. Now. Malachi is a disabled veteran who returns
from the World War Two and starts up his own
detective agency in Florida. The narrator on these stories is
another VET named tec Ta's got scar tissue on his
lungs from a Japanese attack, and now he kind of
wonders around with Manatee and a girl named Eileen Carver.

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The three of them saw of crimes together again. These
stories haven't been reprinted that I know of, but you
can read a few issues on archive dot org that
feature the character. Cox also created the Dan Trout character.
He first appeared in Detective Tales in March nineteen forty
five and would appear in eleven more stories in that
same magazine through September of nineteen forty eight. Dan Trout

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is a US Navy veteran and he's a detective that
works for the Carlson Detective Agency. When Carlson is murdered,
Dan learns that detective agency is willed to him and
also the agency has a secretary named Betty Boulder. He
also has a police detective friend named Mike Kurbali. These
stories have not been reprinted, but you can find several
issues on archive dot org. I know I sound like

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a broken record here, but unfortunately archive dot org is
kind of the only thing we really have for William R.
Cox other than his novels, so really all we have.
The Whistler Kid is a Western hero that Cocks created
in the nineteen forties. The character first appeared in ten
Story Western Magazine in November nineteen forty five. The character
would appear in nine more issues of that magazine through

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March nineteen forty nine. Now, the Whistler Kid is a
gunfighter named Willie Wuten. Wuton is a member of the
Cattleman's Protective Association, which employs Willy as a sort of troubleshooter.
Never been reprinted but the December nineteen forty eight issues
on archab dot org, and it features the story Hogtie
That Devil Whistler. I swear William Cox must have been

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writing a short story every single day in the nineteen forties.
There's just so many stories in all these pulp magazines.
It's just uncanny, and it really is frustrating because I
would love to read more of his stories. In all
these characters that he's created, it's a shame that, you know,
they're just lost to the ages. I don't even know
if you know. Obviously, someone out there has scanned a

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great deal of the blue Book magazines, but there's a
ton of issues out there that are just missing, and
I don't know if anyone's got them, if they have
the ability to scan them, I just don't even know.
But this gets us all the way up into the
nineteen fifties and Cox is still a machine behind the typewriter.
He's still heavy in the sports pulps, but he's also
contributing standalone adventure and war stories at this point to

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Argasy blue Book Adventure, and he starts working in some
digest as well, like Mike shane mystery magazine Manhunt. There's
more stories and Colliers and the Saint Detective Magazine. Compared
to his production in the pulps and magazines of the
nineteen thirties and nineteen forties, Cox is really slowing down
or writing short stories. And one of the reasons why

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is because the pulpin magazine market in the nineteen forties
is really starting to dwindle down. And this leads to
William Cox to go looking for work in Hollywood. So
he moves from Florida to Sherman Oaks, California, and it's
there that he writes two movie screenplays for Universal Studios.
The first is ten Gannika and then the other one

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is The Veils of Baghdad for television. It's like a
Who's who. He wrote scripts for Bonanza, ge Theater, The
Outer Limits, The Virginian Wagon Train, Tails of Wells, Fargo,
Root sixty six, Lassie. The list just goes on and on.
And this is all through the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties.

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But he also used his free time away from writing
scripts and screenplays to focus his efforts on writing original
paperback novels. So let's go ahead and get into those
and now. His first published novel was Make My Coffin Strong,
which was actually an unsold movie treatment that was published
by Fawcett Gold Medal in nineteen fifty four. Cox had

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originally wanted the title to be called The Big Noise,
but the publisher changed it, and Cox had been quoted
as saying, what does that even mean? Make my Coffin Strong?
Remember the Tom Kincaid series I mentioned earlier in the
pulp magazines Tom Kincaid. He used the character for three novels.
The first was Hell to Pay, which was nineteen fifty eight,

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Murder in Vegas nineteen sixty and Death on Location in
nineteen sixty two. All three of these books were published
by Signet as paperbacks. The great news on these is
that they won't cost you that much because Bold Venture
Press has all three books available in beautiful reprints now.
Cox wrote a number of young adult sports books as well,

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like Five Were Chosen, The Wild Pitch, Big League Rookie,
Trouble at Second Base, Gridiron Duel, and Goal Ahead. He
also had a three book series of sports books about
an athlete named Frank Merriwell, and he wrote these books
as Mike Frederick. But along with the sports books, he
also wrote more detective novels like The Tycoon and the Tigris,

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Death Comes, Early, Way to Go, daw Baby, and Hot Times.
He wrote at least twenty standalone Western books as well.
He wrote two Western novelizations. One was Bonanza Black Silver
published in nineteen sixty seven, and Fire Creek in nineteen
sixty eight. There are two Western series titles that Cox
created that I see a lot of people still talking

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about today. The first is the Buchanan series. Now. Obviously,
the Buchanan Western series was created by a writer named
William Ard, who he featured in a previous episode. He
wrote detective novels starring heroes like Johnny Stevens, Barney Glens,
Lou Largo, and Tom Durant, but he also wrote westerns.
Two His nineteen fifty six Faucet Gold Medal paperback titled

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The Names Buchanan, used the byline of Jonas Ward. The
book was a success and led to four more sequels
written by Art until his death from cancer in nineteen sixty.
The publisher then hired Robert Silverberg to finish Art's six
Buchannan novel Eight years later, Fawsett decided to keep the
Buchannan series continuing by using other authors to write the novels.

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The first writer they used was twenty nine year old
Brian Garfield. He wrote one novel before handing the project
off to his friend William R. Cox, and then Cox
took over in nineteen seventy one and wrote nearly fifteen
more Buchanan novels through the nineteen seventies. The other Western
series that Cox created was that of Cemetery Jones. The
first appearance of this character was in the nineteen eighty

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five falset paperback of the same name. Four more books
were published through nineteen ninety. Now this whole series is
available in reprints by Piccadilly Publishing. Cemetery Jones is a
US Marshal. He's embroiled in gunfights involving stuff like cattle rustling.
In terms of short stories, by the nineteen sixties and
early nineteen seventies, William Cox's only appearing in The New Yorker,

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Zane Gray, Western Magazine, and Mike Shane. Now it's said
that William R. Cox averaged six hundred thousand published words
a year for fourteen straight years during the era of
the pulp magazines. That's amazing. Some of his accomplishments outside
of writing included serving the Western Writers of America as
president between nineteen sixty five and nineteen sixty six and

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then again between seventy one and seventy two. He was
also their vice president, committeeman, and director. Cox was also
a member of the Writers Guild of America. His papers
at the University of Oregon include correspondence he had with
notable authors like Elmore Leonard, Alan Rifkin, and Ray Bradbury,
as well as letters with movie producer John Ford and

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correspondence with sports announcer Red Barber. William R. Cox died
of congestive heart failure on August seventh, nineteen eighty eight.
He was sitting at his typewriter writing the next Symmetry
Jones novel. The night before his death, he had dinner
with Brian Garfield, a friend of over three decades. A
couple of Cox's quotes, I may not be a great writer,

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but I'm a born writer. And I wasn't the best,
but I was fast. I wrote for the markets, for
the money. A big reference for this feature was David
Lawrence Wilson's introduction The Kid in the Champ, featured in
the Black Gap Books twenty twenty two reprint edition of
Make My Coffin Strong. Other sources were mystery file dot com,

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The Fictionmags Index Archive dot org, Steeler Books dot com,
Jessnevins dot com, Electronics and Books dot com, Archives, West
Piccadilly Publishing dot org, and Fantasticfiction dot com. All right,
so my last thing to get to today is a review.
But before I do all that, let me ask you
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mix business with pleasure, all right. Next up is the
review for a nineteen sixty seven vintage book called Win

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Michael Calls by the great John Ferris. This was a
thriller that was adapted into a nineteen seventy two made
for television movies starring Michael Douglas and Elizabeth Ashley. Now,
a lot of my pleasure reading this book was robbed
from me because I saw the movie about ten or
twelve years ago, and I just happened to remember the ending,

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really frustrating. I normally don't remember movies that well, but
for whatever reason, I remember that one, so I already
knew who the killer was. The book still entertained me enough,
but I wish I had read the book first. In
the past decade or more, I don't really even watch
that many movies. I've just sort of gravitated to watching
old television shows with my wife, or we watch old movies.
We just did a don Nott's marathon this month of

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how to Frame a Fig, and we watched Incredible Mister Limpet,
and we'd watch The Ghost Mister Chicken a little while back.
But anyway, I'm off the subject, getting back to this book.
This is a suspense thriller, but the first half of
it is steeped in the idea of this paranormal, ghostly
horror thing. The reason is that the main character, who's
a widow named Helen, she's receiving phone calls from this

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little kid that claims to be her nephew, Michael. The
problem is that little Michael died in a blizzard years
ago when he was a small child. Helen, who now
has a child of her own named Peggy, receives these
calls and she finds them disturbing because Michael keeps calling
her Auntie Helen, which is exactly what Michael called her
when he was still alive. As the calls continue to

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plague her, they turn more ominous. Michael tells her that
people in town are going to slowly die. Now I
should say that the book is set in a small
Missouri town. Everyone knows everybody here. The first victim is
the doctor, then the sheriff, and so on, and these
murders they played out like a slasher movie where the
victims they'll hear noises or they'll see a shadow or something,

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and then when they go investigate, they get knocked off.
It's a very slash esque kind of a book, which
I really enjoyed. There's also a number of suspects that
could be Michael. As I mentioned earlier, the main suspect
is Michael himself, either as a ghostly demonic child or
as the possibility that he never really died and now
he's grown up and returning to haunt the town and

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targets certain individuals for some reason. So Michael is the
number one suspect. The other is Michael's older brother, Craig,
who works in town as a psychiatrist and still has
a great relationship with Helen. Other suspects are Craig's girlfriend Amy,
and also the idea of an out of towner like
the doctor's labor that comes to work on the family farm.

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Now with this book, the phone calls, they're creepy, the
kills are satisfying. But my favorite part of this book
is a character named Drimas. He's a hard boiled retired
homicide detective that's a widow himself, and he comes to
Helen's aid. Well really he comes to the sheriff's aid,
but when the sheriff gets killed, he's helping Helen and

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the deputies. But this guy, he loves playing chess with
someone or even to himself. He rides a scooter around town,
but he's still this hard boiled guy, like right out
of a detective novel. In one scene, Drimus and Amy,
they're in the forest, are trying to get to safety.
In uses this wet rag to viciously slap Amy to

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tell her he isn't going to carry her, and then
she needs to walk. This was like straight up pulp. Overall,
When Michael Calls is an enjoyable book, and I felt
the pace was just right to allow the murders to happen,
and then the investigation was stretched just far enough to
introduce the next murder. It was kind of like a
chain reaction that just seemed to work well. Amy, Helen,
and Deimus are all excellent characters, and Ferris gives it

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plenty of time to develop those characters in the novel.
If you haven't seen the movie, definitely steer clear of it.
It's on YouTube for free. It's on tuby, but make
sure you read the book first. Again, this is called
when Michael Calls by John Ferris, and this is my
call to end this episode. Thanks for tuning in and

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and I'm going to talk at you next time. Bye

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for now,