Ep. 161 - The Stanley Hotel and The Shining - Paranormal Punchers

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the Paranormal Punchers. Hey, friends, welcome to another episode Paranormal Punchers.

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I'm Mark, I don't wish,I'm Nash, and I'm Dave and we're
all in a normal tone next Yesterday, Let's except for one person here,
Martin. Where that came from?I was possessed by something that made me
talk that way. On this episode, we're gonna talk about the Stanley Hotel

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and we're gonna pair that with themovie The Shining, based on a book
written by Stephen King inspired by hisstay at the Shining Hotel. So this
should be pretty awesome and they gotsome listener feedback to for the second half
and should be a fun time.Oh and before we get rolling, I'd

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The Shining Hotel, Denver, outsideof Denver, like three hours outside
of Denver, Spar Colorado. Y. Alright. So. The Stanley Hotel,
located at three hundred and thirty threeWonder View Avenue, Esta's Estas Estes

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Park, Colorado, served as theinspiration for Stephen King's nineteen seventy seven novel
The Shining and is considered to beone of the most haunted hotels in the
United States. Now The Stanley Hotelsone hundred and forty room Colonial Revival Hotel,

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located about five miles from the RockyMountain National Park. It was built
by Freeland Oscar Stanley known as StanleySteamer, the inventor of the steam powered
car, and it opened July fourth, nineteen o nine, as a resort
for upper class Eastern Easterners and ahealth resort for TB sufferers tuberculosis because we're

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they're so clean or out on thewild room. Yeah, beautiful are out
there. Yeah, So Freeland.He had been struck stricken with TB and
found that the air and environment inEstes Park was rejuvenating and found his health
improving dramatically. Because of his recoveryand the beautiful environment, he decided to
build a hotel that catered to therich as well as TB patients that were

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searching for a healthful climate. Hefelt that where he had been recovering wasn't
on par with what they were accustomedto, as in, like the social
scene was lacking, and so hewas like, I'm just gonna build.
I'm gonna make the digs. Iwant to be here right now. The

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hall, I'm sorry. The hoteland concert hall was completed in nineteen o
nine, and the nearest train stationwas about twenty miles from the hotel.
So mister Stanley. He ended upproducing a fleet of specially designed steam powered
vehicles that he called Mountain wagons,and they seeded multiple passengers at a time.

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Now Stanley operated the hotel almost asa pastime, where he spent more
money than he actually made each summerlabor of love for m Yeah. Yeah.
Now, the hotel was one ofthe few in the world that was
powered entirely by electricity apparently, butthere was also a lack of available power,

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so they installed an auxiliary gas lightingsystem in June of nineteen eleven.
On June twenty fifth, nineteen eleven, an explosion occurred that injured a maid,
Elizabeth Wilson, and damaged the structure. And the maid will come up
later. Oh yeah, it wasn'tThat wasn't a excuse me, Oh my

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gosh. That didn't have to dowith that had to do with something else
though, right, that was yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that,
Okay, okay, because you're makingabsolutely no So the hotel had lost power,
dude, with a thunderstorm or aflood. I saw a couple of
different reports, so I'm not reallysure which one it was, but they

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lost power. So while they hadall the guests downstairs and we're getting the
auxiliary gas system up, a Maidelit a candle, and that would be
Elizabeth Wilson. The explosion was instant. It destroyed about its entire west wing,
and the force of the explosion causedthe maid to go crashing into the

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dining room, which is located underneathRoom two one seven. That she was
in room two one seven when ithappened. Ah See, the way I
read that was that I was thinkingthat the dining room in area was on
the main floor, kind of outin public, and the room that she
I imagined her opening the door andthe candle, lighting the candle and literally
explosion movie style. He gets shotback, vaulted through you know, forty

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feet, lands on there and doesthe combat role. You know, of
course he gets out of there.So I had seen that she was actually
on the upper balcony. Oh really, okay, you know what and got
thrown to the meeah. Yeah.So a lot of the articles that came
out about this at that time,they had different um stories happening, and

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even the name of the um themaid was a little bit different. They
even said that she was from Lancaster, Pact, which wasn't really like I
don't think they had her on theregister as far as like being from there.
But right, that was an articlefrom the York Dispatch. Okay,
just you know what, twenty mileswest of Lancaster, And so that was

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the original article. And then butthen subsequent checks uh showed that she was
not ever a resident by that name. Well, they had to sell papers
and draw something. Yeah, butshe ended up surviving that, Yeah she
did. She s beast two brokenankles, but once she recovered she became
the head chambermaid and worked at thehotel and her until her death in the

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nineteen fifties. So she she juststuck around. Well, and I think,
um, mister Stanley, he paidfor her hospital, Um, I
would hope so right, Well,no, I mean now he definitely took
care of her and and he madeher the head made in the hotel.
So now Stanley sold sold the hotelin nineteen twenty six, then he bought

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it back up in foreclosure, andthen he sold it again to a fellow
auto and hotel of financier. Ican't I can't read. Apparently he made
some money on it, held it, he sold it, waited for to
foreclothes, bought it at cheap,and then sold it again when it was
put it back together. He madesome money. Yeah. Now the hotel

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itself contains eleven structures, including themain hotel, the concert hall, a
carriage house, manager's cottage, um, the gatehouse in the lodge, which
is a smaller bed and breakfast originallycalled Stanley manor. It features four restaurants,

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a spaw on site, an expansivewhiskey bar. Now it offers a
guided climbing experience on the Farada viaFaradah. Yeah, a full day hike
in the art in in p whichis the Rocky Mountain National Park, full

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day of rock climbing, an ebike tour. I don't know what that
is. And that's started actually whenwhen it opened up in nineteen or nine
or oh yeah, yeah, uhsorry. The hotel used to be closed
for the winner until nineteen eighty threeand is now open year round. And

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in June twenty fifteen at a hedgemaze was installed in front of the hotel
and is inspired, of course byThe Shining. So all right, now
let's talk about the spooky, thehauntings, all that fun stuff. Yeah.
So the Stanley Hotel has had arather peaceful history, but in the

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years following the publication of The Shining, it has gained a reputation as a
setting for paranormal activity. Oh,I mean, I don't understand that.
Because of its grand and impressive appearance, the hotel exudes a feeling of wrongness
and bad vibes. So mister Stanleyis said to wander the halls of the

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hotel and is most at the hotelbar in the billiard room cool. He
also assists lost children to get backto their families, like when they're on
tours and stuff like that, enjoyingthe afterlife and helping out want to keep
Now, the interesting thing is heactually died in I think Manhattan or Massachusetts,

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right, So, like what partof him imprinted now you know there?
And why did he leave to goback east to die? Right?
Well, I'm I'm thinking that thatplace was to do something of that scale.
It's a labor of love and tonot making any money at it and
keep at it. So even thoughhe was elsewhere, I mean, that's
where it's hard blonged right now.His wife, Flora, She has also

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been reported in the ballroom. Employeesand guests have reported hearing piano music music
coming from the room and even seethe keys move. The ball room also
feels colder the closer you get tothe piano, as well as a rose
scent um that is detected and theyattribute it to her. Now, with

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Flora, some people think that maybeshe had her own experiences, why why
she was live and living at theStanley because this is an excerpt from a
poem just untitled poem the Ghostly Rapand Knock and tap up branches and wind
and rain called answering Ghosts from MemoriesHosts. I strive to stay in Vain

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m h. She was also knownto, you know, dress up and
read people's fortunes. So and shewas managed depressive, but she did read
yeah, fortunes to the Estays ParkWomen's Club. So but that poem,
I don't know. I strived tostay in Vain m hm. So it

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sounded like she was a little bitin tune with the spiritual world. Yeah,
all right. Um. The fourthfloor is said to be one of
the most haunted areas in the hotel, with one hotel tour employee saying that
the fourth floor made her physically ill. Now, Room four zero one is

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supposed to be haunted by an unfriendlymale ghost, as many women have been
touched inappropriately by unseen hands while inthere. So what I found is that
they were touched inappropriately inappropriately while theywere in the closet. Yes, it
was in the closet. So theidea, so the ghost is like hide
in the closet, he's in thecloset and like like peeping through or something,

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I don't know. And then that'sgotta be a pretty good sized closet.
And why the world ridiculous? Whydoes it need to be a big
sized closeset? Oh, to changeand like not to be a ghost.
You can fit into small classes.Well, because the ladies who were getting
touched are standing in the closet,probably a walk in closet. Yeah,
but that's a pretty swanky place.I mean, for for a for the

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for a room, a regular roomon the fourth floor, to have a
walk in closet, right, that'sa pretty nice I don't know, if
you looked at any of the pictures, Wow, I mean it's nice.
Yeah, it's yeah, it's it'snot like your typical hotel room. Yeah
I did. I didn't get tosee what the rooms look like individually,
but that's why you're having trouble understanding. Yeah, but if there anything like
what they showed in the shining,which I'm thinking that they did, those

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rooms are pretty opulent, right,so just uh taking that sideways from here,
the uh you know, it makesme think of is that like a
David Carradine or something type. Hewas in the closet for those kinds of
reasons, and he was waiting forhis lover to come and she never did
and he died. And is thatwhat why he's aggressive towards women in the

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closet? Oh? Yeah, Idon't know. We were not going to
go into it. I absolutely lost. That involved audio affixation. Oh okay,
okay, is that the right wordaudio rotic? So he was in
the closet like peeping, That's whatI was saying. He was in there
watching something, not peeping at somethingelse, something in that appropriate, inappropriate

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area. Yeah. Think think ofthe word asphyxiation, right right, yea
yea yeah, that was a sidetangent. Yeah. Wow. Room four
zero seven is supposed to be hauntedby Lord Dunraven. He's the man that
actually owned the property before it wasbought by Stanley Um. His face has

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been seen in the window and evenwhen the room isn't occupied at that point,
multiple guests have felt the sensation ofbeing tucked in or felt someone sitting
at the end of the bed.Yeah, and they said that when they
went and checked the end of thebed, because there was somebody's sitting there
there were butt marks in the bed? Yeah, and I'm thinking that's okay.

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So I don't know if you' allhave done this. Okay, but
have you ever looked when you getup and you looked at the bed and
you see your tookie mark on thebed. I gotta tell you, I
got a pretty good sized keister.It's much larger in the butt print in
the bed than what I would imagine, So I don't know. I didn't
get I was trying to think ofhow big is this butt mark so I

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can get a determination on how bigthe ghost is. To answer your question,
no, I never stand up andlook back, like look at you,
like your shoes on, and thenyou get up and you're gonna make
the bed and you look and yousee your butt print in the bed.
You've never done that before, andI'm supposed to believe you make the bed
every morning, every single morning.I would advise everybody do that. I

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think you need Scottie to beam youso you can see what the oh yeah
size actually is. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, because I looked
down and I'm like, jeez,Louise, is that my rear end?
So then I typically go out thatquestion. Yes, it is, I
know, right, So anyway,anyway, you know, one of the

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rooms that that I had come acrosswas room for twenty eight now room before
twenty eight. Actually it's I don'tknow why it's a cowboy, but there's
a cowboy ghost hanging out in there. And this actually kind of reminded me
of of your guys's story of likea shadow man in the corner where you

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offered your wife, right, yeah, yeah, this kind of reminded me
of that, because there's a cowboy, a ghost of a cowboy who just
kind of like hangs out in theroom, um or looming over the bed.
Now, I don't know. SometimesI've heard I read just pacing in
the corner. Yeah, none ofhis way for you to get get done,
get out? Well, I justwhen when is he looming over the

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bed? And that would that's right, Yeah, the idea of a cow
now, a cowboy means so he'sgot to have one of those like ten
gallon hats on there, or spursor something. Maybe he's got well,
as you know, people describe differenthats. The cowboy could be a version,
you know, that's true, that'strue. I wonder if it's like

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the hat man, but he's justbow legged and they and maybe it's just
a different version. Maybe the hatMan's got a like a like a shadow
steed or something that. Oh nice, nice, they could be well,
I mean there's a big difference betweenhim and the hat man because he does
do something for the ladies. It'sroom. Oh yeah, what's that?

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Oh he kisses him on the forehead, almost like he's given a kiss good
night. Wow. The cowboy doesyeah. Okay, well there you go.
That's easy kissing cowboy Okay. UhSo, Also people hear strange sounds
coming above room four twenty eight.Um, but there's no other room up

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there, like it sounds like furnitureis being moved er so right um.
And then also room four one eightis honed by children. Guests and cleaning
crew cruise have heard laughter, andthere's a child ghost in particular, likes
to play with guests hair. That'skind of creepy to me. Yeah,

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Dave, that's your room because youhate to hear children living or dead.
Wow. Wow. And the Grinch'sheart grew smaller three sizes. Now.
Another room that's uh rather haunted isroom two one seven. Oh yeah,

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the infamous YEO one seven because thisis where Stephen King stayed and it is
where he got the idea to writeThe Shining. So the story goes that
Stephen King and his wife arrived.They were closing up for the winter,
so they were literally the only peoplethere. You know. They went to
have dinner and every other table hadchairs up the way that the music they

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were playing were echoing through the halls, and he said, just was kind
of eerie. Um. So there'sa couple of different ways this goes.
But one is King and his wifewent back to the bedroom and their suitcases
were unpacked and clothes were put away, and they did not do that.
And I know some people that stayedthere playing the same thing. Yeah that

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they're they'll get back in their suitcases. Um are open, open and put
away or just open. It didvary. Some are opening, their clothes
are like you know, strewn assome are put away. But also so
Stephen kingway stayed there, he hada terrifying dream about a little kid and

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riding around the hallways, and hewoke up, went out in the balcony,
fired up a cigarette and the storywas born. Yeah. Well,
and the whole reason they were atthe Stanley Hotel. Is you know,
he was really trying to find adifferent set of scenery for his next book
because everything his previous books had allbeen set in Maine. He wanted to

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have, you know, a differentlocation. So they actually had moved to
Colorado and somebody told him, hey, you should go stay at the Stanley,
you know, presh air, youknow, away from everything. It
will give you a different perspective,and that's why they traveled there. But
they had no idea that it wasclosing down for the winter and everything.
So it was all happenstance that lethim here. Perfect. Yeah, I

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love it. Um, you can'tstay there. Yeah. One couple also
claimed that the bed had been madearound them while they slept for Stephen King.
No, no visitors that stay inthere in two seven Yeah, yeah,
because this is where they say thatthe Elizabeth Wilson, Yes, missus

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missus Wilson, the one who litthe y her gohos for some reason.
Right a room, Yeah right,she's still working, she's still cleaning up.
And I still think that that's anamazing woman. I mean she got
blown to a different floor man explosionstyle and she was got up and was
like I twisted an ankle, twistedmy ankle something. She had two broken

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airs. Um, but some someguests say or theorized that this is Wilson
does not like unmarried guest shacking uptogether in that room because they'll feel like
a cold air kind of forcing thempart, you know, when they're spooning
or whatnot. Right, Yeah,she's the anti spoon Yeah. And the

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sounds of a woman crying has alsobeen heard in that room. Um so
yeah. Apparently there is also apet cemetery on the phone. Yeah.
Uh, this is where the ownersof the hotel they would bury their pets
throughout the years. Um. SomeI find that to be kind of odd.

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Why would you put a pet someterry out I know. Yeah,
well I don't that's you're in theYou're like in the woods in S's Park.
You're like in the woods Rocky MountainNational Parks right there. Whatever is
in the forest is at your doorstop. Why would you put dead animals in
the ground to be found by otheranimals who are living. I don't know

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what to do with them. Well, I have an update on the past
cemetery. Once you tell us aspooky sho you have to worry about that
anymore. Some guests have reported seeingthe ghosts of um these animals on the
property, Cassie, a golden retrieverand Comanche, a white cat. They've
been seen in the hallways as wellas some guest rooms. I think you

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have Do you have anything about Cassie? Well, I know that she if
the door, if any of thedoors are closed, she likes to go
and paw the She's just she's agood girl. She just wants to say
hello, poor girl. That's reallyall I have on She also likes to
deliver newspapers the girl Well. Intwenty thirteen, This is an article from

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the Denver Post. Plants dig upa pet cemetery at the Stanley Hotel,
which inspired Stephen King's arm novel TheShining have neighbors feeling aggravated. The grays
are to be moved to the otherside of a small pond, making way
for wedding and corporate retreat pavilion.Rosemary mcauthor, known as the Celtic Lady,

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who lives in Estates Park and wasfeatured as a dog psyche on Animal
Planets. Pit Boss says mysterious accentslike construction injuries and other problems could probably
be avoided with a psychic comes tohelp the dead animals make the transition?
Do you have so it's kind oflike if you don't, if the spirits

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stick around, are they going tobe knocking, you know, glasses off
at the wedding reception? Cats dogswill always be a good boys as casts.
It was there a date as towhen they were trying to move the
pet cemetery. I'll start again.This is from a twenty thirteen articles because

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because they're used to have they hadan on site paranal one investigator who would
live there full time. Her namewas Lisa Niheart. She was, yeah,
an on site twenty four seven paranalone investigator that lived there. That
maybe she didn't have the abilities toto help with that, but you already
have somebody there who could witness thosethings happening. And maybe but is a

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isn't psychic right? Different? It'sdifferent, tuning. I was just thinking
that that might be able. Shemight be able to like call a friend
who does that or a referral sourcefor somebody to come in and help,
other than just not having anybody,you know, for Lisa to be able
to say right, you know,hey, let's let's just do this because

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her activity, she's she's picking upall kinds of things on an EKG.
You know, yeah, no,okay, show, I was trying to
reference Ghostbusters. What was the thingin the Ghostbusters I've seen? You actually
have one in your hand? Iknow, everybody, we're gonna pause until

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Nash. Oh geez, you knowthe EKG would be if you were the
doctors. Yeah, yeah, Igot that completely wrong in your heart checked.
Yeah, okay, you think whatwere you thinking? E VPVP that's

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only the best? Yeah yeah,quality. No, this next thing,
I don't know how much I believeit because I only saw it in one
place, and um, so I'lljust you guys can just tell me what
you think. Okay. Two girlsin white dresses are often seen on the

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stairs. And I was like,so obviously somebody's seen the movie and you
know they saw something or well,but there was Mark, you have got
some stuff? Yeah, and yousaid there was a stuff you found around
the stairs. Some people think thatthe stairs is a hotspot they called a
vortex. I muscle like this isuh, you know, sucking in spirits.

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For some reason, this one particulararea of the hotel. Yeah,
I mean there was a they're intwenty sixteen. Uh. I didn't get
his name, so I'm gonna justsay, some dude, I want to
take a picture of the staircase becausehe just thought it looked beautiful and was
waiting for it to clear out sonobody's coming down, and he took a
picture as he took that picture.In the picture, there's a ghost in

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the picture. Um. Yeah,I just wanted a clear image. It's
just like the staircase, and theimage is actually you can get it on
You can actually pull it up onlineas as I did in my DP research.
But there's a ghost, clearly hisday, sitting right there, and
so that maybe it is a hotspot there. Yeah, I mean some
of the employees claim to have seenapparitions and experienced the strange things at the

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staircase. It connects like the lobbyup to the second floor staircases. Yeah,
well it could have been a staircasetoo, from the third to the
fourth. I just want to makesure this is a lobby to the second
floor. Okay, there's a there'sa bulbow to staircases. Ye yes,
yes, go ahead, Just moreon the girls though, um, I

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find it interesting. You know thethat was only in the movie was showing
the two girls that was not inthe novel. No oh, no,
you're right. Yes, um there'sactually a controversy that Stanley Kubrick stole that
imagery from a famous photographer who hadcreated a photograph called um I think it
was the twins or the sisters orsomething like that, And so it seems

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as though this might be lay mimickingfalse history. And yeah, now one
of the other one of the otherthings that that I came across there was
there's this couch. Did you guyscome across the couch? So there's this
couch in the Stanley Hotel. Ofcourse there's a lot of couches. But

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one of the employees, his nameis Paul, didn't give his last name.
Uh, he was an employee there, and for some reason, while
he was there working, he broughthis couch to the Stanley Hotel. Okay,
he brought his own couch. Hisown couch is his Paul's couch from
his house whatever. And it showedup to really like your couch to bring

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it to work with you. HowI used to have a couch and I
liked. It was perfect for Meum, he brought his couch and then I
think he left. He left.He left the couch there. He didn't
take it home. He left asemployees do at the end of the season.
He went back home and died,okay, but he never took the

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couch, so his ghost is nowthere. They never gave the couch back
to the family. The family didn'twant the couch. They're like, Yo,
it's a couch, right, andit's a deceased family member. No,
it's yours. And so I guessthis guy Paul. The only place
Paul is seen is sitting on hiscouch. Yeah, as one of the

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most chill ghosts around, you cansit with Paul and his couch. That's
a nice my understanding. I couldbe wrong, but that Yes, there
is a separate building with staff quarters, and so at the start of the
season, they would hire the peoplewho are going to work throughout the season.
They would furnish their own rooms,as you know. So that's why
they he would bring his couch withhim. It's not like he's a man.

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He just kind of ruined the mystery. Why would he bring his couter
works work day? So I justI'm wondering then, like his couch is
probably still in the staff, stillthere, so why you know, like
it's probably not heavily seen. It'snot like you know, visitors are walking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, AndI was just I just thought it
was really really odd that like ifeven if you had to furnish the place,

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well, I guess, I guessyou would bring your own bed and
everything. Probably, I mean,I don't know, bringing a couch.
It's like not I mean, Imean, I don't It sounds like I
wouldn't take that job. Yeah,you you have a room, but you
gotta supply all your your all yourfurnishings. Right, it's like a dorm

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room in college, mini Fridge Madge. Maybe not even TV these days.
You and I pad huh, butthere's a couch there. There's still there.
And when I when you were tellingthe story in my head, he
just dragged this couch into the mainlobby and it probably had like cat pe

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stains on it, and he justleft it. It's a brown leather couch.
It's actually really good condition. Thepicture showed it in good and it
was like that actually looks like you'repretty comfee couch I don't know about being
brown leather because you kind of stickto it, you know, you know.
But aside from that, it's leavegiant button marks, giant marks only
if you're me, only if you'reme. So I only have a couple

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more things. But um, atorso so just as torso. Yeah,
makes an appearance in the billiard room. Just a torso, Just a torso,
like laying there floating. I don'tknow. They didn't, Um,
they didn't give me more details asfar as what this torso is doing.

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Okay, but just a torso.Yeah, button up on it or it
has a shirt on it or something. I don't know. No, that'd
be weird it right, think aboutthat. What do you see? Is
it like in a staff uniform oris it just a shirtless torso? Yeah?
They didn't give any specifics far asthe torso. Details of the torso,

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no green orbs um can be seenin photographs, I guess. Um.
And then there is a network ofcaves underneath the hotel. Right,
so there's conflicting reports on this.Um so I've seen you know this,

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this thing about these conflicting or theseuh network of caves that the hotels build
upon and there's a haunting in there. The one tunnel you can walk through
and you'll get the smell of umpastries and fresh big bread and things like
that, and they think that there'sa pastry chef who um haunts in that
particular cave. Um. But theonly thing I can find is that there

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isn't actually a series of caves oranything. It's not like it's built on
that. It's a series of stafftunnels that connect And then they just they
just said it was caves caves,but they're actually just you know, tunnels.
And these tunnels were actually built innineteen eighty three, um, so

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it's well after you know, StephenKing stayed there and everything, and they
actually cut through the foundation and builtthese underground to connect the various things because
they didn't want the staff walking amongstthe guests to get from building the building.
Right, So it's like sort oflike Disney, you know, underground
you know tunnels and underground city typeof thing. Yeah, but just with
with apperations that want to kiss youand touch you in inappropriately and feed you

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I was gonna say, or notfeed you, but just make you hungry,
and mice wanting around in ducks andthings. Yeah, who want to
do this? And yeah, thechief was one. There's some claim to
see like a spirit of a graycat. I'm just walking around the tunnels.
Interesting of the pets cemeteria. Yeahcats, Oh now I hear no.

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But The Shining was already written rightwell before those tunnels were made,
right, So that's what Dave justtold us. Yeah, I think that
was because when I when I readabout the about the tunnels, I didn't
catch the date. So I waslike, is that the reason why he
put in the movie the Shining?The chef was involved, you know,

(34:12):
the head chef was a part ofit, because that kind of links those
two. But that's wrong, wrongtiming, right, I'm clearly wrong.
All right. Uh, well,I guess that's a great spot to take
a break and we'll come back withfinal thoughts on that, get into the
Shining and who knows what's going tohappen, right, we'll be right back

(34:37):
and we're back all rights. TheStanley Hotel, it's definitely on my list
of places that I like to visitone day. Oh yeah, certainly not
driving and Pennsylvania out there is goingto be too much of a drive.
Even though. Yeah. Uh talkingwith Jay, he's the one of the
bear tenders at move. He drivesit. Yeah, every year basically,

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and I couldn't do it. Butwhat he's say two sixteen hour days.
Yeah, yeah, that's what.Yes, it's what he said. You're
calling him a liar. I've donethe drive from Pennsylvania. I drove from
Arizona the PA. That's not twosixteen hour drives. Less. He's going
some crazy route. I don't knowwhat to tell you. That's what he

(35:22):
said. Well, and that includesfood breaks and that could be a too.
I really pushed. Now you believehim because I think he usually had
people Yeah, yeah, oh dogs, Yeah, they're definitely gonna have to
stop. Yeah, he's he's lowa gag and he's not pushing. How

(35:43):
fast could you do it? Well, it took me twenty four hours to
drive from Arizona in here, Arizonathe PA. Twenty four hours? Did
you do it straight? I didit in two days. It's twelve hour
days. Well, elliot slept.I didn't stop very long. That was
stop for about three four hours.Okay, so it sounds awful. I'm
gonna fly. So you driving athigh rates of speed with little sleep,

(36:06):
no regular race, well slightly andtwo cats in the back of the car.
All right, all right? Anythingelse on the Stanley Hotel. I
think it's a beautiful place. I'vebeen there and seen it and it's Spark
is amazing. I think everybody shouldgo there, go through the Rocky Mountain

(36:28):
National Park. Do that drive fromBoulder to Spark. It's I'm not a
religious person, but it's God's country. It's an amazing, amazingly beautiful place.
I want to go. Yeah.This Stanley Hotel also has like multiple
tours that you can take, likea history tour, but also they they

(36:51):
have a Haunted tour. They alsodefinitely have embraced the shining and so they
do shining tours and things like that. So speaking of the Shining, can
I give final thoughts? Yes,of course, So one of the things
that you know, certainly I wantto get out there and see this place.

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Um, but like you said thatthe labor of love from from Stanley
himself. The fact that he waslosing money on it, so who he
sold it to was actually a likea conglomerate that they were supposed to operate
it at a profit, but hecould still do his thing, and they're
the ones who put it into foreclosure. So he bought it back and then
he eventually sold it again to anotherconglomerate, and it was on the downhill,

(37:37):
like it was going to be rundown and foreclosed on again. And
that's when Stephen King happened to getthere and um, you know, stayed
for the you know, the endof the season and everything, and then
it just that caused the resurgence ofyou know, this hotel. It's a
popular now. So you know,this hotel for all the love that goes

(37:58):
into it, and it seems likea lot of the u the ghosts seem
to have a positive, you know, effect on everything. So it's it's
just it's all this love, eventhough it seems to not always do the
greatest. It's like the little hotelthat could or big hotel that could.
Yeah, most of the guests thatare there are there because that's where they
felt at home and that's where theyreally wanted to be, right Yeah,

(38:20):
yeah, I agree with that onepercent. They really love the area.
Yeah, and that couch right now, now, can we talk about the
shining, really comfy couch. Allright, We're gonna talk about the movie
The Shining nineteen eighty movie, notthe miniseries that came out in like the
late nineties, but I'll mention thismovie, The Shining, directed by Stanley

(38:45):
ku Kubrick, starring Jack Nicholson andShelley Duval. I'm sure everybody listening has
seen this movie, but I'll stillgive you a quick synopsis. A family
heads to an isolated hotel for thewinter, where a sinister presence influence is
the father into violence, while hispsychic son seems horrific foreboding from both past

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and future, and a whole bunchof other stuff goes down. Uh.
Not filmed at the Stanley Hotel.Uh, they used the old for the
Overlook Hotel. They used the Timberlinein Washington, Washington for like x a
lot of exterior shots and then recreatedthe hotel on the sound lot in the

(39:30):
UK, and all the hotel,all the insides were Uh. They collected
like a thousands and thousands of referencephotos of American hotels to make that look
of the interior of the Overlook andit's I mean visually right out of the
gate. I mean it's got someof the coolest carpeting. Yeah, you

(39:51):
know, I could see it likeNorm has a pair of socks, a
pair of shorts with the shining pattern. I feel like the Silent disco can
kind of emmy. They said,a little bit. You see the patterns
from this movie everywhere. But Idigress. Just jump into the movie a
little bit, Nash. I know, for the first time ever, you
said, oh, we're gonna talkabout my love of the Shining Oh yeah,

(40:14):
and usually you usually hate every movie. Yeah yeah, but this time
it's I I have nothing but lovefor this movie. This is a fantastic
movie. They're rewatching it now asan adult, you know, there was
very few things that I was like, oh, hey, well that that
was okay, Well that's true ofnineteen eighty. It's a little different now.

(40:35):
Um. You know, like onthe trip out. You know,
on the trip out there was achild who was not buckled in from the
back of the front seat. Waslike, I was like, well,
okay, all right, yeah,let's talk about that quick because that I
feel like that opening sequence really kindof it sets the tone because uh,

(40:58):
they're driving up and everything seems beautifuland you would expect it's going to be
a great trip, great job rejec, but that the music they have underneath
that they played during time is soominous that there's no way that something bad's
gonna not happen, right, Likethe music lets you know it's gonna be

(41:20):
bad. Well even how just themovie opens, it's the cold open of
cold opens, you know, itjust starts, you know, and it's
beautiful and it's beautiful, and thenthat music hits and yo, yeah it's
the ocean music and you're just likeit's such a contrast to what you see.
I was just like, oh,I was all excited even going up
there. I feel like, yousee all the woods, the way,

(41:43):
like as far as the car hasto travel to get up there, before
we even are told about there's nothingup there, and when it closes down
for the winter and the only wayto get around is with this snow cat.
Just the music and the aerial shots, you know, you instantly feel
that that dread and isolation. Youknow that if you're stuck out here,

(42:07):
there's no help coming for a bit. Yeah. And the way I took
that the opening when they started playingthat music and it was like, okay,
so the music was very it's dark, you know, something bad is
going to happen, but visually,what you're seeing is nothing but beauty.
So I took a lot. I'mthinking, Okay, well, these are
these two points. This movie isgonna slowly put these two points together.

(42:30):
They has to match these things up. And it was just and I started
to pay this time more attention tothe music along with the movie and just
how they how the scoring of it. I just I totally love it.
But we do learn that Jack's takinga job up here. It's closed down

(42:51):
for the winners, so that theystuck there for what like three months five
and he's five months and he's thecaretaker, and I'm assuming he must know
a lot about how to take careof a boiler, to take care of
you know, it'd be a lotto take care of entire hotel, would
just you, your wife and yourlittle kid who has an imaginary friend.
So we think imaginary friend called Tonyand he talks to in the movie,

(43:13):
which is interesting, the kid useshis little finger. Um, that wasn't
in the script. The little kidjust did that in auditions and they like,
wow, that's we love that.What's write that in? Yeah?
Yeah, I think it was fantastic. And how how they had so only
the him talking through the finger,that was the kid, but Tony was

(43:36):
still in the script, correct theydidn't. Yeah, no, yeah,
Tony. Tony was. Also wecan't get to the step the differences between
the book and this one. Yeah, no, Tony, he was talking
to Tony. I don't want togo into what the book what it was
supposed to be, but I gotthe sense that it was, you know,

(43:57):
he could, you know, hecould and talk to you know,
dead people. But his parents justthink, oh, you know, his
imaginary friend. He'll grow out ofthat one day. But no, that's
it's not that's not what it is. What are you guys think about the
like, like the chapter breaks almostyou know where you would see that first

(44:21):
one happens, is the opening happened, and you're going through it and then
it's black screen the interview. Whatdo you guys think about that using that
as a way to go to anotherchapter. Yeah, I mean it's very
effective. It basically it shuts downthe whatever dread you were experiencing at the

(44:42):
end of the chapter. You know, it's like, Okay, we're starting
fresh and a whole new set ofthings is probably going to come up.
Right, Yeah, I did noticethroughout that. Then it got to a
spot where they leveraged one of thoseas a jump scare, you know,
they built the music up, madeit really really stressful, and then what
black screen Tuesday, you know,and that was it really came on the

(45:06):
because it was I felt that everyone of I felt them as the chapters.
You could kind of tell that theywere kind of coming to the end
of a thought, and then thechapter thing would happen, and then the
new thought, and then that onethat changed from it wasn't Monday. The
first one wasn't Monday. It waslike a month later or something like that.

(45:28):
Then it got really really tense andinstantly changed to Tuesday for some reason.
And it was just like it wasstartling when it happened, and I
thought, oh, this is fantasticthere leveraging every single piece of this movie.
Yeah. So yeah, Jack Nicholson'scharacter, Jack Torrence, he's also

(45:49):
planning, like why he's got thisjob and you know, out here in
this hotel, he's gonna take thistime to write his novel, which doesn't
really work out too well for him, right, But we also get a
you know, through some of thedialogue that Jack has been abusive in the
past. Uh not best. Ifeel like, you know, we need,
you know, letting us know thathe's going to be susceptible to the

(46:13):
influence of whatever evil is in thehotel, which we get. We get
that, we get a title dropwith what first fifteen minutes when uh Hollering
played by Scatman Cruthers is showing themaround the hotel, show where the kitchen
is, where all the food is. Um, he just why he's talking
to Jack kind of looks at Dannyand this little you know, um thing

(46:39):
where he mentally talks to him.But he does Danny know. He calls
it the shining you have the shiningright, um? And I think,
as you watched the movie, thefact that Danny has happened visions But so
is Jack that he that that talentwas passed down from Jack. I don't
think Jack fully understands what's going on, but he's seeing stuffhere Shelley Daval Uh,

(47:01):
she's nothing right, not at first? Yeah, yeah, so I
think Jack has a talent, butyeah, right, and then that's how
it passed down? Yeah yeah.And then I put in here another one
of those things I popped out.Is like when they were opening again with
like the seeding of the of what'sgoing to happen down the road? Is

(47:23):
talking about the Donner Party, right, Yeah, they were driving up when
the kid was not in his seatbelt, sitting down the back. You know,
they're talking about, Oh, what'sthe Donner pottery? Donner? What
is the Donner Pottery? The potterycome down to pottery by O Food,

(47:44):
I bring your own sandwiches um theDonner Party. And he's like, oh
yeah, I'll just tell my fiveyear old son what happened with the Donner
Party. And he's like, oh, yeah, they had they eat themselves.
Sure, that's fine, you know. And then another example of great
paroding parenting paroding was when they getto the hotel, they kind of lose

(48:07):
the sun for a little while.Did you notice that Jack and Shelly do
all kind of go off and they'redoing their interview being showed in the hotel,
and I thought, where the heckis their kid. He's off running
around a hotel with you know,he had found the game room, but
no one was monitoring him. Andthen he was sort of he disappeared for
a while, and then it waslike oh, there you are. I

(48:31):
used to get home from school andgo out with my friends in the woods
and play around. Would have noclue really where I was, but she
just knew that dinner time i'd comehide back at home. I mean that
one scene at the beginning really setsthe tone I think with the eighties parenting
and everything of the Oh, he'sjust passed out and a doctor comes to

(48:52):
the house, which is you know, but then oh, the doctor,
and she'll like to well, justsit down. She smokes a cigarette while
talking to the right and m oh, it's okay. You know, Jack
just physically abused him, but itwas an accident. And it's like she's
giving out details of definite child abuseand yeah, and the doctor did he

(49:15):
laugh for something or like I can'tremember now, but right, it was
a she and girl. Yeah,she gotta laughed it off a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, And they talkedto more about this, the episode
that the little kid had. MyI was a little disturbed that the child
had an episode and they called thedoctor because of his episode. When the
doctor arrived, the kid didn't haveany pants on. The mom was smoking

(49:37):
in the corner, and the kiddidn't have any pants on, and they're
talking about the dad abusing the child, and I'm thinking, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, what is goingon in this household? This is
nuts. That kid needs to puton some pants. I don't know.
I get it, you're a doctor, but still you're not there to check
out that area. Let's put onsome pants, little guy. All right,

(49:59):
let's speaking of da Any Stawrence.There's a some some moments in the
movie that are absolutely incredible with cinematographywise and sound design. When Danny's riding
his big wheel. I had abig wheel back in the day. Well,
he's riding this through the Hotel Numberone. We got amazing just set

(50:19):
design, but you got the sounddesign whereas he's going from hardwood flooring to
that carpet and yeah, perfect,it's and it gives it. I don't
know if I want to call itunsettling, but it's kind of sets a
tone right as he's doing this anddo and then the way they have the
camera at a low angle right uh, and it's just fluid, it's following
him over all these terms. Ithink they used a steady came rig but

(50:43):
they flipped it upside down, sothe camera could be down lower, so
a guy could run behind Danny throughthe halls, but you have that still
have a steady shot, and thento use an ultra wide angle to make
everything just seem a little bit bigger, almost like really like the hotel is
like massive. Um. But thenand then this is where we get to
see Danny has visions and some ofthe coolest cinematic moments that probably everybody has

(51:07):
seen at one time. Even theydidn't see the shining right elevator opening up
and blood right pouring out and ofcourse to twins, which is creepy,
right, very creepy, and hewould have he would see the twins and
then have flashes of done being bushered. Yeah, because I guess that goes

(51:28):
at the previous caretaker, right,murder Grady murdering, and it's kind of
what the hotel is trying to getJack to do. Right. But yeah,
but even that elevator is seeing withtheir blood iconic that that clip shows
up, and anytime you watch athing about horror movies, that clip shows
up. Took them a year toget that and get it right. Wow,

(51:50):
holy moly. And so so nowthey're starting to he's starting to see
things war frequently. Danny is startingto see things more frequently. The husband's
kind of Jack is kind of thingon edge. While he's doing his writing,
Shelley Duval brings him a sandwich,I think, and he lights her
up for just delivering a sandwich.I even I put that in there a
very different time. He's writing,and he absolutely choose out his wife for

(52:15):
interrupting him. And I was like, man, if I did that with
my wife, she'd go get she'dgo get a hammer and come back like,
oh my gosh, wow, Holymoly. He lets into her.
Yeah. Yeah, he's uh,I mean he is getting crazier. Yeah,

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I know there was one issue thatStephen King had with us. He
had a lot issues. But whereJack Jack Nicholson kind of comes in,
you already could see that he's he'sgot some issues, could be a little
insane, but I mean it really, I mean, the performance is outstanding.
When he's going nutty, it's it'samazing. Yeah, And the music

(52:58):
follows the tension levels of mus slowly, you know, raising the tension levels
on it. And I thought that'swhere I was trying to really pay attention
to the music, is that itwas just that was really driving the tension.
I was trying to like ignore themusic and watch the movie, and
even then you can still you canstill see Jack Jack start to descend into

(53:22):
madness and whatnot. But the musicreally drove it because it was just so
prominent in the whole movie. Isjust how much music was in this in
the scoring that. But even again, the I think the hotel adds to
why it was scary. Oh there'sa scene where he's struggling to write and
just throwing a tennis ball. Yeah, gets the wall. But again,
the way the cinematographer is, itjust gives its huge at spance. I

(53:45):
imagine being stuck that long and agiant hotel. I just feel like people
have that, even if it's notharded. People have the where they stir
crazy. Right. Sure, nowyou got the hotel. He can't write,
he's got a mental blot for somereason, and he's got the whatever
evil the hotel is starting to likethey already like, yeah, this is
our guy. We could definitely definitelygive him the push he needs to join

(54:09):
our ranks. YEP. One ofthe themes that Stephen Kings was going with
for for the book was his alcoholismand trying to get over it. And
I think that the movie does areally good job of showing that huge open
space. You're by yourself, you'redown in a hole, you can't get
through to what you're trying to do, and just showing over time how you're

(54:30):
you're stuck and it just gets worseand worse and worse, and how it
weighs on you. Yeah, andyou just need to do something to get
to escape and relief, right,have some relief and the but the hotel
gives that to him, right,all of a sudden, he goes into
one room and it's a full openbar. Yeah, right, the bartender

(54:50):
and you know, like, wasit all in his mind? Was the
hotel really conjuring up what he neededto keep driving him crazier and crazier was
why was it bourbon? I don'tknow. Yeah, Well, when the
wife showed up, he was drinkinghis Jack Daniels I think it was,
and uh, she showed up andhe turned to talk to her and there's

(55:14):
nothing there and he didn't have itin his hand anymore. It was all
back to normal. So it wasall it was really feeding into him,
and that was that was the wayin and then it starts to go down.
Yeah. So so after that hestarts going back and talking with the
bartender Lloyd. I think that's anawesome scene when he sits down at the

(55:37):
empty bar, slaps his hand overhis face and then kind of his moves
a couple of fingers aside and he'slike Lloyd, Yeah, I mean it's
just the acting was great, butjust even the reveal the full bar and
Lloyd, Yeah, there's a reasonthat this is just incredible to watch.
And was that that was the timethat the I think that was pretty close

(56:00):
to the time when Danny the Sunhe'd already been seeing the visions. He
had an incident in two thirty sevento twelve, wasn't well, No,
the room that seven two three seven, Yeah, yeah, and I guess
got into room two three seven andand came back and he was all bruised,

(56:21):
his shirt was torn and whatnot.Shelley d Wall's character, you know,
blame the husband, the hold thatwasn't me whatever. And but that
was the time when he went intothat bar area and Lloyd showed up the
former drink. That was about thetime that Danny was having his He's reaching
out to Scatman. Yeah, heuh does some type of psychic blast all

(56:45):
the way because Holleran was all theway in Florida chilling watching unt I forget
what kind of movie was watching,but there's naked people with it, right,
he was all having a good time, and he got to a mental
blast and right he's like, Igotta I gotta get back up right yeah,
to the timberline, right to theoverlook. Yeah, and and that

(57:07):
from then on, It's like heused all of his power to get to
him, because after that, youknow, Danny wasn't there anymore. It
was Tony after that, right,so he so made you know, the
Tony stepped in and took it fromthere, right. Oh yeah, you
know what I you know, uh, when a Holler show, I thought,
you know, definitely in my firstvieway, but every time I still

(57:29):
see the scene, I'm like,man, that sucks. Right, He's
a good dude. I thought he'sgonna be able to help and maybe some
shining power to do something, butno, he basically walks in the hotel
and I was like, hey,Dad, ain't Jacks when Jack has an
ax is going to a ship?Right? Yeah? But yeah, I'm
like, damn, I thought Hollerdwas gonna be able to do some do

(57:49):
some shiny. Yeah, yeah,no no, And that's when that right
after that spoilers. But if youhaven't seen him Shiny by now, right,
yeah, it's forty years old,forty plus years sold. But that's
when he's got his axe. Iswhen you see him trying to get the
Shelley Duval in the bathroom. Youget that scene, it really is.
That's an awesome scene, him choppingat the door because at this point he's

(58:10):
like he's going to murder her.Right, the whole here's Johnny was improvised,
right, They did like sixty sometakes or no, sixty doors were
destroyed because the first door they built, he went through it like paper because
it was like a prop door.But apparently Jack Nicholson was also at the

(58:30):
time or at one time his life, a volunteer firefighter. Yeah, so
he knew how to. Yeah,so after the first door it was too
easy. They beefed up the doors, but they still did sixty doors before
they got that one. Take usand again talk about iconic, right,
even if you've never seen the Shiny, you've seen that scene. Any horror

(58:54):
yeah, yeah, you've seen thatstill in memes, You've seen it everywhere.
Right, Uh. I was justgonna stay with the doors though.
That's the one thing on this rewatchI hadn't picked up before, and I
didn't realize that they went through somany doors of it seemed like, well,
this just looks like a paneled door. An action cut right through that
with no right, and he's likethe first cut, it's just like it's

(59:16):
just a little it was like solidoak door, Like what is going on?
Is he just really weak or what'sgoing on here? Because he should
have just like chattered it with anact like yeah, no, I'm glad
they beeped up the door because itgave that at tension, like she's in
the bathroom, you know, screaming, he's chopping through. It needed to
have take a little time to getin there for that awesome moment when he

(59:38):
creates enough space for his face,right, and he's like, here's Johnny
Well. And one of the thingsI noticed too is there's in almost every
shot, not every shot, buta lot of the shots they go really
wide and expansive to the show howbig the hotel is, and Danny riding
through and pretty much every room shotis is really wide shot. Those shots

(01:00:00):
of him axing the door, theyreally tightened up the shot to just him
and then move the camera really fastas if it's following the axe. Yes,
oh yeah, I love how theydid that. He almost kind of
could feel, yeah, the concussionof the axe on the door, just
the way they they filed that.Yeah, yeah, I love that,
you know. And it was aslow back and then a fast forward and

(01:00:22):
a slow back, and it wasit just followed that ax the driving of
acts every time, and it waslike, dude, that was masterful on
the camera work right there. Yeah, going back to your point of holler.
And I think he really he pulledJack away, So he didn't do
anything directly, but if he hadn'tshowed up it, yeah, yeah,

(01:00:45):
he actually brought the SnowCat right,so yeah, yeah, well, I
mean all right, still in away he did help out and Dan.
Yeah, but still he didn't getto do anything, right, Jack just
came out of nowhere right in thegut and took him down. And then
so after that iconic scene is whenyou get the Hedge maze scene. Yes,

(01:01:07):
oh, before that though, whenwe're introduced to the Hedge Maze.
I just want to bring this up. There's a shot or they have this
miniature of the Hedge Maze and Jack'slooking at it. He's looking he's starting
to look a little crazy when he'slooking at this miniature. But they have
this pushdown with this camera and hestart to see Shelley de Vall and Danny

(01:01:30):
running around it. It's just areally cool shot. But I love it
too because they lets you know,like it's massive. This is a huge
maze, which apparently they did buildit to some extent on the sound stage
out there in the UK, andI guess the crew challenged Kubrick because he
thought it's not that big of adeal to to well, we'll see if

(01:01:52):
you can get out. And hewas lost in there for a bit also
some crews, so they really designedhim. It was pretty hard to get
it get out of okay. Nice. Yeah, And I really liked I
saw that too, where they wherethey come in and it's a killer shot.
Yeah, And you get the scopeof how complex that that Hedge Maze
is because from the outside you're like, okay, it's head mates, okay,

(01:02:13):
whatever, and then you see thatand you're like, oh, that's
as big as like five football fieldsor something. It was massive. And
then even watching the special features onthe Blu Ray, Uh, the lens
they used in the way they shotit inside the maze when we see Chill
and then walking around the hedges areonly like eight feet tall, but the
way the lens they used made madehim feel twelve feet that is that's that's

(01:02:37):
a movie magic nice wow. Andand how they were following Danny and it
was like again same as on theBig Wheel. They were right there right
on, like yeah, like theback of his knees following him. You
could see the footprints in the snow, the footprints in the snow because Danny's
wicked smot. Yeah. So hestarts where he backtracks his own steps to
full his dad. Ye, Likethat was really cool, right, Yeah,

(01:03:01):
And then the whole time Shelley Duvalcomes out, she gets in the
SnowCat, she does her own thingto escape and then fun and then it's
just dad. He's just trying tokill He's trying to get to the sun
to kill him. I think that'swhat it was. He was trying.
He was trying to kill him.And then the kid just out smarting the
dad because he lost lost his mind. I you know, when I was

(01:03:22):
watching this with with my son,the one thing that took Evan out of
the movie was at the very endwhen they showed Jack dead. Why because
he was like all this build upand it was dark and then he's just
kind of sitting there frozen, andhe was like Evan my son was like,
oh, who made that wax dummy? You know. He was just

(01:03:45):
like, oh, that's fake?What is that? You know? Like,
well, he was like Jack Nicholsonisn't gonna stay there, And I'm
like, well, he could have. It could be him. They just
painted his face white and he's justsitting there. He just needed like a
two second shot. Yeah, youknow. But yeah, and the snow
was salt and styrofoam. Oh ohinteresting, it was really fluffy. It

(01:04:06):
was really really nice, right,um. But yeah, no, he
dies in I love again that beforewe go to Kratz. We're closing in
on this picture hang on the wall, Uh twenties ballroom music's playing and Jack's
part of it. Was like NewYear's Eve nineteen twenty. He's now part

(01:04:26):
of the party that was going onthere. He's now member well, so
the theory is that the hotel wastrying to reclaim him, that he was
actually not the caretaker back in thetwenties, and that's what Grady had said,
right, and that um Grady knewof Jack from as being the previous
caretaker, like he was reincarnated inanother body. Yes, and that's why

(01:04:48):
he knew Lloyd right away, Likebecause I love that. I never thought
about that, And that was oneof the big reasons why Stephen King didn't
like the movie adaptation is because that'snot part of the book. The hotel
is not trying to reclaim Jack Torrence. In the book, Jack is actually
a good guy who just gets overwhelmedwith bad forces in the book. In

(01:05:12):
the movie, Jack was a badguy who was actually the reincarnate of this
guy from before. Well. Innineteen eighty three, in a Playboy article,
Stephen Giggs said, I'd admired Kubrickfor a long time. It had
great expectations for this project, butI was deeply disappointed in the end result.
Parts of the film are chilling,charged with relentless claustrophic terror, but

(01:05:36):
others fell flat. Well, Igotta tell you, I maybe maybe he
feels that way because he wrote thebook and it wasn't what he envisioned for
it. But I gotta tell you, right, that's why in nineteen ninety
seven made a four hour miniseries whichactually was shot at the Stanley Hood.
Yeah, yeah it was. Butnow going back forty some odd years later

(01:06:00):
and watching this thing, I lovedit. I absolutely loved it. Yeah.
I mean I think it's a masterpiece. Yeah. And then you can
continue to watch this and I feellike you could watch this and learn about
filmmaking. Yeah, set design,every acting. Yeah, it's it's brilliant.
Um fun tid bit because we weretalking about room two one seven.
The reason it was two three sevenis that the actual hotel they were using

(01:06:23):
for the exterior, the timberline,they don't they they have actually have a
two one seven and they were worriedthat people wouldn't want a book in it
could hurt their you know, theirsales, so they changed two three seven.
It's that's simple, right Yeah.Yeah, I just like I said,
I agree, I think this isa total masterpiece. There was so

(01:06:45):
the only my only things that Ididn't that I was like, hey,
what does that had to do withthis? Was shot in nineteen eighty and
that's how things were in nineteen eightyand not now. But that's it.
I mean, that's you know withthe kid not on the back, kid
doesn't have a se I've been onthat road. It's not terrible, but
still you can't need to sit downthat you're in a Volkswagen Beetle. And

(01:07:09):
there's a lot with the book thatthey couldn't do with the technology at the
time. That's why the hedge mazecame in. It's not in the book.
In the book is hedge sculptures.Yeah, they're like shape like animals
and they come to life at apoint and kind of like they're going to
attack. And I think Gus readit, Stanley Kuber was like, not
feasible to do. The hedge mateis a far cooler idea, right,

(01:07:33):
So yeah, it's you know,little things like that that you know,
Kubrick did what he could do.I think he did change some of it
that maybe should have gotten Stephen King'sblessing to change, but it still came
a draft of the movie which StanleyKuber ignored and got another book author he
liked to help him write it right, So he was hell bent on doing

(01:07:56):
right in his way, right doingjustice of the book. Yeah, the
four hour mini series that Stephen Kingthinks is the is good and a great
great adaptation. Um, it's not. It's not. Yeah, it's not.
You should have watched it. Yeah. Um. And and that is
where we find out Tony uh isactually Danny but from the future. Somehow

(01:08:19):
he was in the Shining to communicatewith his younger self to war him about
what's going to happen in the miniseries. Yeah. Really, Yeah, I
don't know if that's how it isin the book, but probably since Stephen
King thinks this is the best.Wow, Holy moly, And I guess
I don't know if if anybody hasseen Doctor Sleep. Yeah, yeah,
we've seen that. This is asequel. It's a sequel, and I

(01:08:40):
haven't seen Doctor Sleep. So wasthere any tie back? Was? Yeah?
Yeah, So I watched Doctor Sleepbefore I had seen the entire movie.
I've only seen bits and pieces theShining. Um, so I didn't
quite understand, but I liked itwhat I Sawhan McGregor, you even you,

(01:09:01):
Oh no, I think Doctor Sleet'sa pretty pretty decent movie. Attracted
by Mike Flanagan, yeah. Oh, and you know other movies that kind
of tie in with the shining.There's a documentary called Room two three seven.
This is all about conspiracy theories.I don't know if you guys heard
of this, but um so someof the conspiracy theories that the documentary talks

(01:09:25):
about, but also because people weretalking about him, is the moon landing.
So some people believe that within themovie Stanley Kruebrick has hidden clues that
he helped fake the moon, likeDanny's Apollo eleven sweater, which is a
great sweater. Actually, sure Dannysweaters are in the whole movie. Were

(01:09:48):
fantastic, And uh, some peoplesite, uh, there's Tang in the
Overlooks pantry because again at the time, people were like Tang, it's like
the astronaut drink. It was nineteeneighty yea true, but hey, people
are okay, and others since it'stwo three seven, some people are saying

(01:10:12):
it's a reference to the estimated twohundred and thirty seven thousand miles between Earth
and the Moon. Okay, andthen the article I found that that's inaccurate,
but people were people will make outwhatever. So that's one of the
biggest conspiracy theories surrounding the Shining.Another one which you might like, um

(01:10:34):
is CIA experimentation that the movie StanleyKubik says saying something about that because was
Jack being experimented on like mk Ultraor well, yeah, because they were
hallucinating. So there was always thatthing about the CIA given the mk Ultram.

(01:10:55):
But there's also a poster in oneof the rooms. I don't know
if it's the game, but there'sa poster of a skier. Now Jack
is told that there's this area.Skiing is not a thing, right,
so people are like, oh,why would you put a poster of a
ski there? And on the posterat the bottom it says Monarch, which
people think is a CIA or it'scode name for a CIA project. So

(01:11:18):
this movie at only being amazing somehowpeople reading in it, like Stanley Kubrick
has hidden messages in it. Okay, so are you saying and there's more,
But that's the two that I thought, Well, that's interesting. So
are you saying that the CIA wasresponsible for Godzilla and Mathra fighting not that
Monarch? Yes? Okay, Iwas like that's wow. I didn't know.

(01:11:42):
This is a big stretch from oneor the other, covering a lot
of time. But the Shining isfantastic. I'm sure you've seen the movie
by now. Go ahead and rewatchit rewatching Halloween. We watch it in
the middle of summer. It's justa it's a great movie. Kid.
He's twenty one. This was hisfirst watch and he really liked it.

(01:12:03):
Yeah, he liked it. AndI don't know if it was the first
time my mom saw it. Thisis this is the movie that I show
it for Mother's Day. Yeah,hey, hey, I I chefed up
jambalaya and we watched The Shining.I feel like that's a solid Mother's Day
right, sure, And everybody lovedthe movie, so I would say I
really have. If I'm on thescale one through ten, it's hard not

(01:12:26):
to want to give it a ten. But maybe I'll go like nine just
because, no, you know what, I really love it. It's a
great movie. I feel like onevery rewatch I'll learn something new personally and
maybe even taking any film project andI'm working online, maybe I want to
do something like that. So I'mjust gonna go straight up ten. Mish.
I think I would probably go witha nine, but okay, not

(01:12:49):
because I hate it. It wasjust you know, it was a really
good movie. Yeah, Dave,I'd probably go ten. And the reason,
the reason why is this, Thisis how you do a real horror
movie, right. The jump scaresaren't jump scares for the sake of them.
Like I can deal with these jumpscares. Turning the corner and seeing
the twins there. It's psychologically intense, but it's not making me jump out

(01:13:14):
of my seat. It's like,this is done to the best of ability,
and I just think it all comestogether. You know, I haven't
read the book, and I've heardthat if you read the book you don't
like it. I think that Ican still appreciate this movie as it is,
even if it's different than the book. You know, I think the
book can be its own good thing, and this is still a really really
good Ye agree. If you lovethe book, that movie doesn't have to

(01:13:38):
be a direct translation. You canenjoy the shining right for the masterpiece it
is. If you want the book, go watch the miniseries. Yeah.
And going back to your comment aboutMother's Day, I mean, if one
of the central themes isn't about themother's love for her son, yeah,
I don't know. Right right,Nash. You guys probably guessed I gave

(01:13:59):
this a solid too. You know, I love it. It's a ten
considering you give everything else. Well, it's really twice as good as everything
else. I was concerned when yougave a Viking Wolf of seven point five.
I was like, what's it gonnagive the shining Yeah, so the
I agree with you, Dave.They really The one of the main jump
scares that I got was the goofythe chapter turn on that Tuesday. I

(01:14:23):
actually literally was like whoa and itactually got me And I thought, I'm
getting a jump scare from a blackscreen with the word Tuesday on it.
This is nuts. And I'm like, this is movie has got me.
The music's got me, got mejust wrapped up in it. I think
how they did the cinematography, LikeI said, I agree, I think
this is a masterclass. I reallythink Stanley Kubrick should do this for a

(01:14:45):
living. Yeah, we all great, and that's awesome as horror movies goes.
I'm not a horror movie guy,but this was perfect. Yeah.
You want Stanley kuber to do moreof this? Yeah? Yeah, I
think so. I think so ifyou could do a little bit more just
anytime, you know, if there'sanything else I can look at. I
don't know, I don't know whathe's done. We should do an episode

(01:15:09):
trying to figure out where does Stanleykuber hunt so we can go start.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thatwas fun And there's a lot of Stephen
King horror movies so we could talkabout. Yeah, but why don't we
move on. We'll wrap up thisepisode with a couple listener feedback things here

(01:15:29):
to read real quick? Can Ijump in? So? Uh? I
was just transitioning to the end ofthe right, but I wasn't done because
I actually watched a second movie aboutthe Stanley Hotel, just of my own
accord, and that would be Dumband Dumber, which is filmed exclusively at
the Stanley Hotel when they're in Colorado. And I mean, honestly, you

(01:15:50):
can't get much better than that.If you're gonna use the Stanley Hotel for
something showing off all of its wonderand splendor, Dumb and Dumber really does
are you thinking? I think indouble feature between the two, yes,
which would you do first and second? I think you have to start with
Dumb and Dummer and then go tothe Shine but there is the cut of

(01:16:11):
Dumb and Dumber as the horror movie. Yeah, so I'm wondering that may
change things up. Speaking of Dumband Dumber, can move on now?
Sure? I like David dirty thing. Everybody that silenced with a dirty looking
from Mark. This is from KevinJ. So far, I've been digging

(01:16:31):
the new format. I enjoyed theparanormal legend paired with a semi related movie.
It feels natural and works well evenwith Nash's terrible take on movies.
This was a really fun episode,guys. He dropped at his comment on
the last one. We did thetrolls. Oh nice, nice, and
we heard from Peter Peter de Rosa. He dropped us a comment on YouTube

(01:16:57):
on the same episode about Norway andthe trails. I always wanted to visit
Norway and I thought the movie wasokay, could have been worse. Yeah,
he left us a little little story. Back when I was in high
school, we visited Dudleytown in Connecticut. It's fenced off and patrolled by the

(01:17:18):
p D, so it was hardto get in and far from where we
live. Let's just say we definitelytrespassed. The stories from everyone are different
some people say there's nothing, butthe cool dread you feel when you know
someone is watching you is a feelingwe all felt upon entering the forest.
It was almost as silent as agrave, no insects or animal sounds at

(01:17:42):
all. After a while, youcome across the heavily overgrown foundations from ages
ago, nothing more than moss coveredrocks. Now, we heard stories of
cult us going in there and gettingup to no good and thought it was
all bs until we found the stuffhanging from trees. They looked like idols
blair Witch style. Maybe it waskids, but it looked creepy and something

(01:18:05):
about it felt wrong. We didn'tstay long after that and got out of
there before we were caught. Thisis twenty years ago now, so I
don't know what it could be likethese days, but I never had any
intention of going back. Maybe it'sa cursor, just an overactive teenage mind,
but it felt evil. Keep upthe great work, Pete Punchers,

(01:18:25):
love you a thanks man, Yeah, thank you, all right. I
want to send us feedback, soyou'll find all the ways on Perman punchers
dot com. We're everywhere you cancontact us. However you went to Facebook,
whatever, all right, that's it. I'm gonna ask for final thoughts.
I'm gonna get something else about dumband dummer. Lloyd's signed a contract

(01:18:48):
right here, all right, that'sit. We're out. If it's not
weird, it's not worth checking outthe aspective sen Sensus

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