October 5, 2023 • 50 mins
Vicki Joy Anderson graduated from University of Northwestern in St. Paul, MN majoring in Bible and English with a writing emphasis. After many years in corporate management, Vicki Joy stepped out in faith to become a full-time author and speaker in 2019
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said, happy to be back withyou guys tonight falls coming. October's here
my month. As I like tosay, it's getting nice down here in
Florida. But on a serious note, have you ever experienced an event,
Well, you'd wake up in themiddle of the night, you're aware,
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you hear, you see, butyou can't move as if something is forcing
you down, maybe sitting on yourchest. You can't speak, you can't
call out, but you're where something'sgoing on. It's a little thing that
folks know is sleep sleep paralysis,and tonight, my guests and I are
going to talk about that and someof the interesting sidebars that come with sleep
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paralysis. Vicky Joy Anderson is agraduate of the University of Northwestern in Saint
Paul, Minnesota. She majored inBible and English with a writing emphasis.
After many years in corporate management,Vicky Joy stepped out in faith to become
a full time author and speaker intwenty nineteen. So to share with us
tonight her thoughts and sleep paralysis andall that goes with it. I'd like
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to welcome Vicky Joy Anderson to theshow. Hey, Larry, Vicky,
so happy to have you here tonight. Thank you for joining us. Absolutely
happy to be here. Well,like my folks to kind of get to
know you a little bit, Canyou share a little bit about who Vicky
Joy Anderson is? And then Iwant to talk about this thing called sleep
paralysis. Yeah, absolutely, Well, this has kind of been a surreal
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journey for the last year and ahalf. Here never in my wildest dreams
that I think that I was goingto be speaking publicly on this topic,
because, as you know, inthe past, you could get into a
lot of hot water if you talkedabout crazy stuff like this. You could
be deemed schizophrenic. And you know, in the old days, they threw
you away, locked up and paddedrooms for talking about stuff like this.
So well, in my business state, your boss would send you for a
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psych exam, exactly, so Iunderstand that. Yeah, so you know,
I kind of thought I wanted tobe a writer since I was ten
years old, and I thought Iwould just do something really respectable, and
you know, I was kind ofheaded in that direction, and it's sort
of a happy accident. I startedwriting for Real Dark News, which is
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a website and just as a volunteergig. But what I loved about it
was there was no rules. Likethe Tom Dunn who runs the site.
He didn't care what I wrote about. He didn't care how kooky I got,
how weird I got, how manytoes I stepped on, And so
without really any boundaries, I startedexploring more and more and more of these
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things that I've always wanted to talkabout. Because now is actually being allowed
to talk about it. And whatreally surprised me was instead of a bunch
of hateful comments and hate mails andyou hate letters, people started coming out
of the woodwork that this has happenedto me as well. And what I
kind of thought was just sort ofthis obscure group of people that were maybe
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delving into the occult or playing withWuigi boards. Actually, no, Larry,
it's amazing. Thousands and thousands ofpeople are saying that this is happening
to them, has happened to themsince childhood, has hounded them. Many
of them don't know why. Andit's not just happening to people on drugs
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or people who played Luigi board.It's happening to everyday ordinary people. The
most common demographic of people that contactme to talk about it are women in
their sixties and seventies who have dealtwith this their whole life. And maybe
that's just you know, those arethe types of people that are willing to
talk about it. There's a lotof people that maybe are still aren't ready
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to talk about this stuff. Butthe fact is this is happening to people
who are Catholic and born again ChristianThis isn't just something that happens to people
who are hanging out in graveyards andwearing Megadeth T shirts. So what you're
saying too is it's not just anoccasional event with some people. It is
a common, like maybe weekly ortwice a week occurrence. Yes, there
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are some people, and in fact, I'll put a statistic to this.
I did a survey amongst my ownfollowers about a year and a half ago,
and this was a combination of peoplethat followed me and La Marzouli,
who published the book through Spiral ofLife, and so this was a demographic
of men and women of all ages, all over the country and in other
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countries, of varying religious beliefs,the agnostic all the way to flaming evangelical,
right, So this was kind ofthe gamut of people. There was
two hundred and fifty people in thissurvey. One of the questions was how
often have you had sleep proasis?Never, once or twice in my life?
The last multiple choice option was it'shappened consistently over the course of my
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entire life. And I expected thatto be less than one percent. I
really didn't expect that to be high, and out of the two hundred and
fifty people surveyed, it came outto just under thirty five percent said that
it hounded them their entire life.Now you are also an experience for sleep
paralysis? Is that why you headeddown this road? Yeah? I think
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so. You know, it's funny. When I started writing for Real Dark
News as kind of my preliminary,you know, test article, you know
that I was sending in as sortof my example of my writing. One
of the things I had said was, you know, they had said what
kind of things can you write on? And I wrote sleep paralysis, just
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thinking like, well, I've hadit my whole life, so obviously I
can write on it. And sothey kind of called my bluff and they
wrote back and said, write usan article on sleep paralysis. I'm like,
well, I could do this inmy sleep. I'm a writer and
I've had this my whole life.And as I started to write the article,
I felt like, well, Idon't want to just write what's already
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out there. It's worthless to justcopy and paste out of an encyclopedia,
like what really is sleep proalysis?Who does it target? And why?
And I realized that even though Ihad had this my entire life, I
really couldn't answer any of those basicquestions and the narrative like that you get
online. Much of what you haveonline is a bunch of garbage. It's
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a bunch of pseudoscience, it's abunch of gaslighters, it's a bunch of
scientific method you know, left brainpeople trying to pooh pooh it. And
then you've got, you know,people on the other side of it.
You know, you've got the evangelicalside of it, where every single thing
is it's all demons, and youopened these doors because you did something bad,
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And there's really not any intellectually honestexplanations online for what it is.
And so I decided, I don'twant to just write an article and be
done with it. I really wantto get to the bottom of this.
This is something I've experienced my wholelife. Why, you know, what
did I, as a three yearold do to open a door? You
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know, according to the church's explanation, you open these doors, Well,
what did a three year old do? And so it took me probably a
good three weeks before I even hada breakthrough where I could start that article,
and it ended up being a twopart article, and once I had
opened the door and had a coupleaha moments through the research on those original
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two articles, I realized, Ithink that this could be a book.
And I sat down and very easilywas able to put together a summary of
chapters. And it took me abouta year and a half to write the
book. And I just really wantedto come up with an explanation better than
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narcolepsy, drug and alcohol addiction inOuiji boards. There's got to be something
more to this than what they inquotations are telling us. That's interesting.
You mentioned earcilepsy. My father wasan narcoleptic, so I'm very very familiar
with that. We've talked about thebackground and how many people have a bit
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affected by this. But describe whatsleep paralysis is, maybe in general terms,
or maybe even if you could,what you've experienced for the those of
us that have not had that happen. Sure, So the most generic explanation
you're going to get, and thisis the most common explanation, and I
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think the reason it's the most commonis because some of this stuff gets so
horrific and so graphic. Some getsviolent, some get sexual, and we're
just starting to enter into a phasenow where people are willing to tell you
the whole story. But let's gotwenty years ago up until now, the
part of the story that people arewilling to share because they feel like people
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won't think I'm totally nuts if Igo this far. The typical thing is
they wake up, they can't move, A terror that goes beyond a normal
terror strikes them. They feel asif their soul is in jeopardy. It's
kind of like a I'm getting draggedto hell kind of a terror, and
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they will either see or sense someominous presence in the room. For those
that see it, it's usually ashadow man, a hat man, like
an elderly old lady, something withred glowing eyes. It can be the
alien grays. It can be adarker than dark black mist or shadow.
A lot of times on this ceilingand they'll talk about they can't breathe,
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something sitting on their chest. Thisis the typical, classic what people are
willing to share sleep prowlesses one onone. But if you can gain the
trust of someone and they feel safeand they're going to share with you,
Okay, this is what really happened. A lot of people will talk about
interactions in the astral realm, anactual out of body where that entity in
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the room is pulling them into someother dimensional or liminal space and they are
in some sort of an astral nightmarethat they can't wake up from. They'll
see entities and beings. There's alot of all all of the senses are
involved in this. So you've gotpeople describing sound effects, vibrations, tingling
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in the body, things that they'rehearing, sights and sounds, flashing lights.
A lot of these sleep paralysis experiencesare now turning more technological, so
instead of ghost like figures, they'reseeing blinking lights and fiber optics and nanobots
and nanospiders and things like that.You've got you've got the whole incubus succubists
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genre of sleep paralysis, where peopleare having sexual encounters and typically these aren't
you know, sometimes you know,people will talk about astral sex, but
in a sleep paralysis scenario, it'smore of a violation. It's more of
a rape scenario. Then you've gotthe whole UFO version. There's a whole
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alien gray sector of the sleep paralysisexperiences where it's bright lights coming through the
window and being pulled out the window. It's the alien grays, it's the
medical experimentation. So it really doesrun the gamut. And what I have
found is there's a lot of peoplewho will call me and say, well,
I don't think I've ever had sleepparalysis. And the reason why they
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don't think that they've had it isbecause their experience didn't fall into this perfect
little I saw a shadow man evenbreathe. And with that, we're going
to need to take our first break. First thirteen minutes ran quick, so
folks, stay with us. Lotsof talk about with my guest night,
Vicky joy Anderson, So stay withus and we'll be right back. We
are back on Paranormal's stakeout. Myguest to night, Vicki joy Anderson.
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Wow, heavy, first session there, and did you have any thoughts you
were on a roll there just beforethe break, any thoughts you want to
complete there before we move on.Yeah. I just want people to know
that even if your experience doesn't fitthe common scenario of the little gargoyle on
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the chest or I can't breathe,or the shadow man or whatever, that
it does not necessarily mean that you'renot being harassed by this. Just understand
that even though a lot of peoplehave a common experience, a lot of
people have experiences that are probably justas common as yours, but they don't
want to talk about it, sothose details aren't in the public foray yet.
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But don't necessarily let that be thejudge to whether or not you've had
this or not. If you're seeingsomething really weird and no one else has
ever said that that, it doesn'tmean that it's not legitimate or that your
story isn't just as legitimate as theothers. So just know that there's no
kind of set formula for this.Obviously, this is probably more widespread than
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most of us even think about.But one of the first questions that has
to come to my mind, Iguess it's the cop in me. What
type of information do we have thisis a medical or a mental health issue
as opposed to perhaps a spiritual issue, which I want to get with you
in just a couple of minutes.How do we tell the difference? Yeah,
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so this is where it gets tricky, because when you delve into the
paranormal or the supernatural or the spiritual, if you start talking about entities with
a conscious and they're consciously have anagenda. They're smart enough to mimic physical
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and mental side effects. And thisis where it gets complicated. So you
could easily get a medical or ascientific or a psychological diagnosis for some of
the aspects of this, but itdoesn't rule out the supernatural, because the
supernatural is intelligent enough to mimic thosethings to throw off the scent. And
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so you're over here throwing the medicationor whatever at these symptoms and you're really
not touching the root of the issuebecause those symptoms are sort of just red
herrings into the woods, right,They're like the breadcrumb trail into the woods.
So I got two sides to thenext question. I want to ask
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you, first of all, ofall the people that you've dealt with,
is there a percentage where you've beenable to identify or a medical professional has
been able to identify that it wasa truly a medical issue or a mental
health issue as compared to a spiritualissue. It has any of that ever
come up? Yeah, So basicallythis is where this gets tricky. It
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becomes a witch comes first, thechicken or the egg scenario because this is
a form of harassment. It isvery wearing mentally, emotionally, and spiritually
and physically wearing on you. Becausewhat happens when you're having it night after
night is you're losing sleep. You'renot getting into the deep preparative sleep.
Your spouse or whoever there is witnessingthis is thinking you're nuts. It affects
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you wake up tired, you wakeup disoriented, and many times in this
is what a lot of people don'trealize, is there are attachments being made
when these when we come into contactwith these entities, there are attachments being
made, and so we're bringing thingsback into the physical realm with us that
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are influencing our mind and our mentalcapacity, and so a lot of times
there are legitimate mental and physical sideeffects of this, but it still does
not mean that those mental and physicalailments didn't originate because of your encounter with
these beings. And that's where itgets tricky to untangle. Well, if
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I'm getting this right, it's yourbelief that the problem itself is spiritual nature
almost all the time, and justmaybe the physical and mental health issues follow
it because of the stress it putson the body of the mind. Do
I have that right it? Idon't want to talk about out of both
sides of my mouth, But itcan be both. And that's what makes
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it complicated, because sometimes if youare completely in a bad mental spot,
that can open the door and makeyou susceptible to these visitations. And that's
why it gets tricky. That's whyI tell people in the book, the
doctors and the scientists and the psychologistsand the pastors on the paranormal people all
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need to sit down at the safetable and share their notes. Because if
a doctor says this is one hundredpercent of the time, there's a logical
explanation to it, and there's amedication for it, and we're done.
But then if you have a pastorthat says one hundred percent of the time,
you've opened some sort of spiritual doorand you've let a demon in that
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that person's not getting the help thatthey need. And so it really the
reason we're in the situation that we'rein now is everybody wants this to be
an arm wrestling match where there's asole winner at the end who hits the
fist to the table and they're thewinner. And the fact is it's a
best out of you know, it'sa best out of ten. You know,
you you arm wrestle ten times andfour times, this guy's going to
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win, and you know what Imean. So yeah, the whole world's
like that these days, where I'mthe only one that's right and nobody else
can be right. So yeah,I get you. So we've talked on
the on the periphery here about spiritualityand faith here, and I know because
your background, you're you're a majoredin Bible as well as English in school.
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You're you're a woman of faith.Tell us where you really think this
is coming from. Tell Us You'vementioned entities a whole bunch of times.
Yeah, tell us what tell us? What tell us what you see those
entities as being? And how haveyou come to those conclusions? Okay,
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absolutely, I'm going to be extremelyforth right here. And this is kind
of where the people on both sidesof the table say, I don't want
you, like neither one of themwant me. But this is what I
think. I know that the Churchwants all of this to be a demon.
Every alien gray is a demon,every shadow man is a demon,
et cetera, et cetera. Here'swhere I split hairs on that, because
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I did study Bible, and Idid study this stuff, and I did
have these experiences. A demon thetextbook theological definition of a demon, and
this is if you go into rabbinicalteachings, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the
Book of Enoch, some of theseolder books and apocryphal books. The textbook
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Jewish and early Christian response to whata demon was was a disembodied spirit of
a Nephelm giant that walked around onto Diluvian times, which was before the
flood. So all of the nephelinewere wiped out in the flood. They
died, their physical bodies died,but their spirits were immortal because their fathers
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were watchers and their mothers were human. And so these demons are simply and
only these disembodied spirits that are roamingthe earth and their earth bound. So
when you're up in the astral realm, or if you're in Ephesian six twelve
and they're talking about principalities and arkansand spiritual forces of wickedness, you're no
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longer talking about demons. And whenyou're talking about familiar spirits and ascended masters
and things like that up in theastral realm, and these ascended masters who
are prior humans who reached some sortof higher state of being, much like
Nimrod who became a gibbereeem that sortof a thing. You're no longer talking
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about a demon. And this iswhere I sometimes get frustrated with the Church.
It's like, there's no hierarchy.It's just everything bad is the devil
or a demon. And there areso many more rank and file of nefarious
beings out there, of different abilitiesand powers and rank and assignments, and
so to just say that every singlething that happens to us is a demon,
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or every single thing that happens tous is because we sin or we
you know, in the church,the typical answer if you go to a
pastor for counseling because of this,the typical answer is you let demons in
because you must have done a badthing, and it's possible. But there
are so many other aspects to thisthan just that. And so where I
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think we need to be a littlebit more open minded and intellectually honest in
this is that not every nefarious entityis a demon, but that doesn't mean
that they're not an affair, andit doesn't mean that they don't have a
very conscious agenda going on. AndI do think that we start to run
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into danger when we start ascribing levelsof goodness to some of these things,
And that is where I get nervous. I don't necessarily want to call every
single one of them a demon,But when we start befriending these thrength these
things and entering into long conversations withthem and gleaning knowledge from them, then
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I think is really where we needto show a little bit more discernment,
because these things can be wolves insheep's clothing. Help me a little bit
here. I keep saying them,but they're not demons? Who are them?
So? I'm talking about all ofthe cast of characters named in Ephesian
six twelve. So six twelve talksabout the heavenly places or the high place.
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Yes, So if you actually lookat that Greek word for the high
places, the epu rainios. Inthat context, the epu rahinios is the
is the liminal space between the throneroom and the earth. It's it's the
astral plane, it's the second heavenand the dwelling place of these Arkhans and
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principalities and forces of darkness and ascendedmasters and all these things. It sets
us up in Ephesian six twelve thatthe battle is not against flesh and blood.
So it's not against man fighting againsteach other. Our battle is not
horizontal. Our real battle is vertical. It's with these things in these high
places. And so because of theway it's worded in Ephesian six twelve,
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it's telling us to be on guardbecause the things that are in the heavenly
places are our enemies, and theyare at war with us. And so
whether it's an arc on, aprincipality, a ruler, a spiritual force,
an ascended master, an angel oflight, a fallen angel, a
demon, we have so many namesfor them. But if they're dwelling place
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or the space in which we goto contact or communicate with them is in
a place that has been designated asa place where the enemies of man live,
then no matter what sort of costumethey put on, or how what
they pro offer us as gifts,or whether they tell us we're chosen ones
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or we're going to help them savethe planet, we have to be leary
that these things could be leading usdown a primrose path. So you're discussing
entities. The traditional thinking is youhave heaven and all the angels and then
you've got all the bad guys downbelow. But what you're saying is there's
a whole lot of stuff in between. They can create problems for that,
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and that is the basis for alot of the issues dealing with sleep paralysis.
That right, Yeah, absolutely,I believe that sleep paralysis just like
the UFO scenarios, sleep paralysis isan abduction scenario. You are in the
astral realm, your spirit, yourlight body, or whatever you want to
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call it. You are being separatedfrom your body. It's not a nightmare.
You are in that astral realm.On that note, we've got to
take our next break and we're goingto talk about the connection with UFOs and
sleep paralysis when we get back toStay with us folks with my guest Vicky
joy Anderson. Be right back.Welcome back to Paranormal's steakeout with my guest
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Vicky joy Anderson. Heavy conversation,Vicky, we got talking a lot about
entities and I want to get Iwant to start discussing its connection with the
UFO world. But what is themost common entity associated. Since we've pretty
well established it's your opinion that entitiesare the cause of this, what's the
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more most common one. The mostcommon one is probably the shadow man.
The succubus is also very common,but again a lot of people don't want
to talk about that because that involvesusually a sexual violation m and sick succubus
incubus if you can explain that,sure, So an incubus is the male
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energy iteration and the succubist would bethe female energy iteration. These are entities
or demonic presences, whatever your frameof thinking is. But they actually sexually
violate the person. So it's notjust I can't breathe, I can't move,
but now you're there being violated insome way. And that's another area
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that sort of overlaps with some ofthe UFO abduction experiences, as those can
sometimes be sexually in the more likegenetic realm. How calm is that,
I believe it's more common than mostpeople that it's the part of the sleep
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paralysis scenario that no one really wantsto talk about. And even if you
don't get the incubists or the succubistsor you don't get the rape scenario.
A lot of people will have experienceswhere the sleep paralysis experience is what comes
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after a very explicit dream, whichI think is actually an incubist or succubist
experience in the astral realm. Ithink sometimes that's more than just a dream,
but it's more of a dream scenario. But then you've got another whole
group of people that are now comingout, probably because things that were taboo
to talk about are no longer taboo. And now I have many people who
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have told me that the sleep proalysisthat they had from childhood was a grooming
sort of a situation, and thata lot of this sleep proless the stuff
that they were having in childhood wasan early sexual awakening that in later in
life led to various sexual addictions,et cetera, et cetera. And I'm
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hearing more and more people contact metelling me about that. So what I'm
hearing is that this isn't just somebodystopping by to keep somebody awake at night.
This is something that there chose thevictim, if you will, has
chosen at a young age and systematicallyattacked over years. Yeah, yep,
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I very much do think it isa somewhat of a grooming process. And
I don't just mean that sexually.I even think that it is sort of
a re education program. A lotof the people that have spent most of
their life astral projecting or interacting withthese beings from these other dimensions, they
have a certain theosophical lens through whichthey see the world. And when you
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look at some of the people inthe eighteenth and nineteenth centuries twentieth century who
are still extremely influential writers, andtheir textbooks and their teachings are fundamental in
science and medicine and literature and art. I'm talking about the Levatskis and the
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Galens and the love Crafts, etc. They were card carring, theosophists and
astral projectors, and much of theirwriting was automatic writing and direct quotations in
dictation that they were receiving from ascendedmasters in the astral realm. The motive.
Then, if this is a systematicattempt to control, transform, evolve
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a person in this realm, therealm that we're familiar with, what's the
motive? Why is this happening?Sure, I'm glad you use the word
transformation, because that's kind of likethe key word that if I could summarize
my book in one word as towhat the endgame is, it is a
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complete and utter global cultural transformation.And you know, you look at you
look at the Lord's prayer where itsays, you know, on earth as
it is in heaven, right.And so you have this whole concept from
the book of Genesis on we're right. From the very beginning when Moses and
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Abraham were shown glimpses into the heavenlyrealm, the tabernacle that they built in
the wilderness was a replication of theone that they saw in heaven, and
so from day one it was anattempt to bring Heaven down, so to
speak, let's replicate here on earththe heaven that belongs to Yahweh, the
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god we create. And so theenemies of God are doing the exact same
thing, but their operation room isfrom the second Heaven rather than the third,
and so they are attempting to doon earth as it is in heaven.
But their heaven, the occult wouldsay, as above, so below,
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which is kind of the same conceptof let's emulate, let's reset up
on earth our golden age, let'slet's replicate earth. So What they have
to do is re educate us fromthis sort of Judeo Christian value system and
the Torah and the Law and theTen Commandments and a creator God who loves
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us created this earth and he senthis son to die. They have to
reorient us through the framework and thelenses of their world system, their political
system, their religious system, andit's taken a lot of work. The
Watchers attempted to do that in Antidiluviantimes, they were thwarted. Nimrod attempted
to do it during Tower of Babeltimes. I was thwarted, et cetera.
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But I do think that it isactually a re education program, a
grooming program to set up their kingdomon earth. It's kind of a race
to the finish right, who whoin the heavenlys will set up their kingdom
on earth first, Who will getthe scepter of the kingdom. So this
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is truly a battle of good andevil in your mind where it's Heaven is
trying to keep us on the righttrack. But for lack of a better
term, the Dnians and Dnsians inHell are trying to turn the Earth into
their own world. Yeah, youknow, absolutely, I mean it sounds
like the most cliche thing in theworld. But why are we as a
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culture obsessed with this concept? Almostevery movie we go and see, it's
some saving the world, it's somesuperhero, it's some DC Marvel. And
if you delve into the depths ofa lot of those DC and Marvel comic
books and the the Transformer franchise,which is all the Black Cube and the
Kabbala, and this is ancient mythologybeing retold. And so if if we
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were to go back in time,you know, ten thousand years and tell
the story of Superman who came down, you know, from his planet that
was destroyed, And if we toldthe story of you know, Thor and
Loki, if we told the storyof you know, the Transformers, they
would all have they would have differentnames. They wouldn't say Superman and Thor
and Loki. They would have differentnames, but they would they would have
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known exactly what we were talking about, because it's this is all just ancient
mythology being reached the Romans and Greeks. I mean, we basically use different
names for the same person exactly.I totally understand. Interesting. So,
finally getting around to the UFO partof it. How does this, how
does this connect with the UFO conspiracy, if you will, And why are
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we seeing grays? Why are graysapart of sleep paralysis? Yeah? Absolutely
so, Well, this is alot so with the UFO phenomenon that can
happen during a sleep paralysis scenario.But it does not have to because we've
all heard the story about you know, the people in the cornfield are out
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on the camping trip or you knowwhatever, So it doesn't have to happen
in a sleep paralysis scenario, butit can. So some people have those
experiences during a sleep paralysis experience.Where I think that sleep paralysis has a
stronger connection to UFO abductions than weever thought before is I actually think that
it is an abduction scenario. Andone of the most clever aspects of the
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sleep paralysis abduction scenario is that wemiss the missing time, which is usually
the tip off that something happens.So with the UFO abductee, they don't
remember what happened. They saw abright light or an orb or a ship
or something unusual, and it seemslike a split second later they're in their
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car, but there's something about what'shappening in the physical realm that tips them
off that they've lost time. Thesun has gone down, there are one
hundred miles down the road, threehours have gone by, so they know
something happened simply because there's time missingthat they can account for. Well,
when you go to bed at nightand you sleep five to eight hours,
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when you wake up in the morning, you are never going to question what
happened to that time. And soif that's the only tip off that you
have had some sort of interdimensional conflict, you're going to lose that in a
sleep proalysis scenario. And then you'regoing to go online and every channel or
website that you possibly find will saysleep paralysis is when you wake up in
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your bedroom and you can't move.And so if you don't know, you
have missed it time, and youbelieve all of the narratives online that this
is just one of those I wokeup too fast and I ate pizza before
I went to bed, and Ishould maybe be taking melatonin or something.
You're never even going to suspect thatyou are an abductee. And it's an
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extremely covert way of doing this,and I can delve into that deeper,
but I don't know where we arewith time, so I want to make
sure we we're going to eat aboutthree days probably for that. Okay,
two issues here. First of all, so you're saying, are you suggesting
that when people normally sleep, they'reperhaps going through this and don't realize it.
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Yes, I do. And nowI don't think that it for people
that know that they have sleep paralysisand it's they're harassed by their whole life.
What I don't think that we're properlyunderstanding is we think that the sleep
proalysis episode is that five or tenminutes when we wake up in our bedroom
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and see a shadow person or few. And what I'm trying to tell people
is what's happening typically is you're inthe dream state, you're deep in an
RAM cycle and you're having a normaldream, and it is usually within the
dream that the dream turns sinister.The sleep prolysis starts there in the dream
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state, you hear the vibrational sounds, the dread comes on, You're like,
oh no, it's happening again,and then instantly you wake up.
So it's this seamless transition that youwake up from a nightmare and thank god,
I woke up from the nightmare,but I woke up so quick that
the nightmare is still kind of playingout in front of my room, and
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I hate when that happens. Butwhat I'm saying is, just like the
UFO abductees who have sometimes hours ofmissing time that they can't account for,
just because your brain thinks that thereis a split second between that nightmare and
you're waking up, we always thinkthat the nightmare woke us up. What
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my personal experience is is that ithappens deep within the RAM cycle, and
what I think is happening this ismy theory. I'm still studying this out.
I'm still talking to other people whohave had the experience. But what
I want to do, hold onjust a second, because yes, we're
out of time coming up on thenext break. I want you to at
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to THUK because I want to getit in one straight line that habits broke
up. So folks, we stillgot one more session to go here,
so stay with us. We'll beback right after these messages. Welcome back
everybody for this final section of thisevening's paranormal stakeout. Before we get going,
want to remind everybody if you'd liketo check out see what we're up
to down here in Florida. Goto our website at Paranormal FBI dot com
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or Indianriverhuntings dot com. Check usout on YouTube at Indian River Hauntings two
three four one. Get a holdof me at COSC Paranormalsteakout dot org and
send us a message let me ifyou got any questions. We'll bring it
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my programs at Paranormalsteakout dot org.But I also want to remind you take
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a look at all the great programmingat XZBN dot net. That's the x
ON Radio and TV show broadcast networkfor all the great shows that are on
here. So check those guys outto a lot of terrific shows. And
Vicky Joe, you've got a book. Can you tell folks about your book
and where they can find out moreabout you? Absolutely? Thank you.
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It's called They Only Come Out atNight, Exposing the Dark Weapon of Sleep
Paralysis, and it is available exclusivelyon Lamarzuli dot net. But if you
hang out over at my website vickijoyAnderson dot com, you can find it
there too, and it'll take youdirectly to LA's site. And so go
into all the stuff we've been talkingabout here. Chapter four is of interest
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to most people astral vampire and Thresholdcovenants, but we go into the history
of this and the subjective and objectivejournalists aspects of it, as well as
who they target and why and howto get out of the astro matrix.
So let's so check that out,folks. Now let's get back to where
we were at before the break.Go ahead and pick up that thought if
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you could, and run with it. Yep, absolutely, so I want
to blast people's paradigm here. Weare taught to believe that sleep paralysis is
a short five to ten minute occurrencein our bedroom as we wake up,
and we can kind of shake itoff once we wake up and it's over
and done with. And that wasreally scary, but holy cow, glad
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that's done. What I'm trying toexplain to people is you need to think
of this war in terms of aUFO abduction, where in the dream world
you encounter these entities, something occurs, you wake up, you have no
memory of what happened after you firstencountered them. Your memory's wiped the same
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way the UFO abductees can't remember.And the period of time in the bedroom
where you can't move or you're seeingthe entities, that is the tail end
of the experience. It's not thewhole of it or the beginning of it.
It's the tail end of it.And our bodies are physically showing every
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single sign of trauma or an adrenalinerush. Our body. Our mind can't
remember, and our body is tryingas best as it can to show us
every sign that we've just encountered somethingtraumatic. All the saliva in our mouth
is dried up, we can't breathe, we're having a panic attack, we're
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terrified. Many times we're on ourback and our back is arched off of
the bed. A lot of timespeople wake up in defensive positions where they're
holding their their neck or their youknow, their they're gripping things, and
so our body is trying to remindus that something happened that we can't remember.
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But because we don't have that clueof missing time, a lot of
people just chalk everything off to anightmare. I've got to ask you this
question, Vicky, how do youknow this Uh, without you know,
medical evidence, how do how doyou know this is occurring? How do
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you know it's taking a longer periodof time? Vicky, can you hear
us? Uh? Well, we'vehelped here. We're hopefully getting her back
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on here in just a second.Little uh, technical difficulty. Interesting topic
that we've been discussing here. I'vegot some other questions I want to ask,
such as where do the Grays actuallycome in to play here? Are
the Grays actually an entity that weknow in them? Hopefully we're going to
get in her back here in justa second. Not yet. Apologize to
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the technical difficulty here, folks,but it's an interesting topic that unfortunately we
don't have a lot of scientific answersfor at this point in time, but
it is it is an interesting partof the paranormal world that we're studying.
I find it interesting that we've beentalking about the hat man or the shadow
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people that are often accompanying with paranormalinvestigations as being part of this. The
big question we got to have toask though, is is this psychological or
is or is this truly entities fromanother dimension interfering with us? And that's
those are the questions we have toask and we're still having a few technical
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difficulties, so just hang with usfor a couple of seconds. Want to
remind everybody that if you do getan opportunity to a question or something you'd
like us to share on the show, please get a hold of me at
ghost Guy at Paranormal Steakeout dot org. Would love to hear from you.
Would love to get your thoughts andcomments on the show, and we'll do
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that at the beginning of each show. So I want to recommend that you
do that. I got a coupleof other things coming up down here in
our neck of the woods over thenext few weeks because it's Halloween, it's
October. If you're in the area, We've got a couple of events going
on here in Vero Beach, Florida. If you go to our website at
www dot indiannurver Hauntings dot com,you can check out our Halloween Bash.
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On the fourteenth, we're doing adinner at a ghost hunt to support the
Indian River Historical Society here in VeroBeach, and that's going to be a
dinner and an event actual investigation ata place called the Holstrom House here in
Vero. So if you're in thearea, check it out, or if
you want to just come down andlearn a little bit more about the history
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of Vero Beach, give us acall. Still having some technical difficulties.
Do apologize for this, but Ido appreciate your patience. If you'd also
like to see a little bit aboutwhat we do, how we conduct our
business, check us out on ourYouTube site, as I mentioned before at
Indian River Hauntings two three four one, and you'll see not only some past
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shows that we've done, you knowwith Indian River Hauntings, but also some
investigations and a couple of productions thatwere put out where we were followed by
camera crew at some of our investigations. I think you might enjoy that quite
a bit. Do join Rob McConnellfor their Halloween bash. I do believe
that is on the fourteenth of themonth. If I got that wrong,
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Rob, let me know, becauseI'd like all of you to maybe pop
on to XZBN dot net and checkthat program out if you can. Next
week you might want to tune in. Next week we have another show and
this will be with a guest,Mark Micah Dank. He's going to talk
about hidden codes of the Bible.So it's going to kind of almost fit
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right into what we're talking about herewith maybe some of the stories and the
mysteries the Bible is trying to tellus about the other side. So I
would highly recommend you tune in forthat show next week, so it'll be
out on not only on Speaker,but also on YouTube and you can find
it under Larry Laws and Interviews,Michael Dank or any any of the guests
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that I've had on here. Sowith sorry, I just got a little
distracted. There was something on thescreen. I's hoping we get Vicky Joy
back. That was a tremendously interestingdiscussion, and I would chuck, I'd
recommend you do get her book.It does answer quite a few of the
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questions. Once again, it's's itsinterpretation, but I do think she she
does reveal some compelling arguments for hertheories on this, So I do recommend
you you take a look at herbook. And it's the only they only
come out at night, exposing thedark weapon of sleep paralysis, so please
check that out. So so withthat, folks apologize for any technical difficulties.
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Tonight was a great show thank youfor staying with us. Please take
care of yourselves, give your kidsa hug, take care of your family.
Until we meet again, we'll seeyou on the other side. Have
a great night, folks.
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said, happy to be back withyou guys tonight falls coming. October's here
my month. As I like tosay, it's getting nice down here in
Florida. But on a serious note, have you ever experienced an event,
Well, you'd wake up in themiddle of the night, you're aware,
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you hear, you see, butyou can't move as if something is forcing
you down, maybe sitting on yourchest. You can't speak, you can't
call out, but you're where something'sgoing on. It's a little thing that
folks know is sleep sleep paralysis,and tonight, my guests and I are
going to talk about that and someof the interesting sidebars that come with sleep
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paralysis. Vicky Joy Anderson is agraduate of the University of Northwestern in Saint
Paul, Minnesota. She majored inBible and English with a writing emphasis.
After many years in corporate management,Vicky Joy stepped out in faith to become
a full time author and speaker intwenty nineteen. So to share with us
tonight her thoughts and sleep paralysis andall that goes with it. I'd like
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to welcome Vicky Joy Anderson to theshow. Hey, Larry, Vicky,
so happy to have you here tonight. Thank you for joining us. Absolutely
happy to be here. Well,like my folks to kind of get to
know you a little bit, Canyou share a little bit about who Vicky
Joy Anderson is? And then Iwant to talk about this thing called sleep
paralysis. Yeah, absolutely, Well, this has kind of been a surreal
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journey for the last year and ahalf. Here never in my wildest dreams
that I think that I was goingto be speaking publicly on this topic,
because, as you know, inthe past, you could get into a
lot of hot water if you talkedabout crazy stuff like this. You could
be deemed schizophrenic. And you know, in the old days, they threw
you away, locked up and paddedrooms for talking about stuff like this.
So well, in my business state, your boss would send you for a
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psych exam, exactly, so Iunderstand that. Yeah, so you know,
I kind of thought I wanted tobe a writer since I was ten
years old, and I thought Iwould just do something really respectable, and
you know, I was kind ofheaded in that direction, and it's sort
of a happy accident. I startedwriting for Real Dark News, which is
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a website and just as a volunteergig. But what I loved about it
was there was no rules. Likethe Tom Dunn who runs the site.
He didn't care what I wrote about. He didn't care how kooky I got,
how weird I got, how manytoes I stepped on, And so
without really any boundaries, I startedexploring more and more and more of these
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things that I've always wanted to talkabout. Because now is actually being allowed
to talk about it. And whatreally surprised me was instead of a bunch
of hateful comments and hate mails andyou hate letters, people started coming out
of the woodwork that this has happenedto me as well. And what I
kind of thought was just sort ofthis obscure group of people that were maybe
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delving into the occult or playing withWuigi boards. Actually, no, Larry,
it's amazing. Thousands and thousands ofpeople are saying that this is happening
to them, has happened to themsince childhood, has hounded them. Many
of them don't know why. Andit's not just happening to people on drugs
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or people who played Luigi board.It's happening to everyday ordinary people. The
most common demographic of people that contactme to talk about it are women in
their sixties and seventies who have dealtwith this their whole life. And maybe
that's just you know, those arethe types of people that are willing to
talk about it. There's a lotof people that maybe are still aren't ready
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to talk about this stuff. Butthe fact is this is happening to people
who are Catholic and born again ChristianThis isn't just something that happens to people
who are hanging out in graveyards andwearing Megadeth T shirts. So what you're
saying too is it's not just anoccasional event with some people. It is
a common, like maybe weekly ortwice a week occurrence. Yes, there
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are some people, and in fact, I'll put a statistic to this.
I did a survey amongst my ownfollowers about a year and a half ago,
and this was a combination of peoplethat followed me and La Marzouli,
who published the book through Spiral ofLife, and so this was a demographic
of men and women of all ages, all over the country and in other
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countries, of varying religious beliefs,the agnostic all the way to flaming evangelical,
right, So this was kind ofthe gamut of people. There was
two hundred and fifty people in thissurvey. One of the questions was how
often have you had sleep proasis?Never, once or twice in my life?
The last multiple choice option was it'shappened consistently over the course of my
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entire life. And I expected thatto be less than one percent. I
really didn't expect that to be high, and out of the two hundred and
fifty people surveyed, it came outto just under thirty five percent said that
it hounded them their entire life.Now you are also an experience for sleep
paralysis? Is that why you headeddown this road? Yeah? I think
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so. You know, it's funny. When I started writing for Real Dark
News as kind of my preliminary,you know, test article, you know
that I was sending in as sortof my example of my writing. One
of the things I had said was, you know, they had said what
kind of things can you write on? And I wrote sleep paralysis, just
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thinking like, well, I've hadit my whole life, so obviously I
can write on it. And sothey kind of called my bluff and they
wrote back and said, write usan article on sleep paralysis. I'm like,
well, I could do this inmy sleep. I'm a writer and
I've had this my whole life.And as I started to write the article,
I felt like, well, Idon't want to just write what's already
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out there. It's worthless to justcopy and paste out of an encyclopedia,
like what really is sleep proalysis?Who does it target? And why?
And I realized that even though Ihad had this my entire life, I
really couldn't answer any of those basicquestions and the narrative like that you get
online. Much of what you haveonline is a bunch of garbage. It's
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a bunch of pseudoscience, it's abunch of gaslighters, it's a bunch of
scientific method you know, left brainpeople trying to pooh pooh it. And
then you've got, you know,people on the other side of it.
You know, you've got the evangelicalside of it, where every single thing
is it's all demons, and youopened these doors because you did something bad,
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And there's really not any intellectually honestexplanations online for what it is.
And so I decided, I don'twant to just write an article and be
done with it. I really wantto get to the bottom of this.
This is something I've experienced my wholelife. Why, you know, what
did I, as a three yearold do to open a door? You
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know, according to the church's explanation, you open these doors, Well,
what did a three year old do? And so it took me probably a
good three weeks before I even hada breakthrough where I could start that article,
and it ended up being a twopart article, and once I had
opened the door and had a coupleaha moments through the research on those original
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two articles, I realized, Ithink that this could be a book.
And I sat down and very easilywas able to put together a summary of
chapters. And it took me abouta year and a half to write the
book. And I just really wantedto come up with an explanation better than
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narcolepsy, drug and alcohol addiction inOuiji boards. There's got to be something
more to this than what they inquotations are telling us. That's interesting.
You mentioned earcilepsy. My father wasan narcoleptic, so I'm very very familiar
with that. We've talked about thebackground and how many people have a bit
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affected by this. But describe whatsleep paralysis is, maybe in general terms,
or maybe even if you could,what you've experienced for the those of
us that have not had that happen. Sure, So the most generic explanation
you're going to get, and thisis the most common explanation, and I
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think the reason it's the most commonis because some of this stuff gets so
horrific and so graphic. Some getsviolent, some get sexual, and we're
just starting to enter into a phasenow where people are willing to tell you
the whole story. But let's gotwenty years ago up until now, the
part of the story that people arewilling to share because they feel like people
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won't think I'm totally nuts if Igo this far. The typical thing is
they wake up, they can't move, A terror that goes beyond a normal
terror strikes them. They feel asif their soul is in jeopardy. It's
kind of like a I'm getting draggedto hell kind of a terror, and
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they will either see or sense someominous presence in the room. For those
that see it, it's usually ashadow man, a hat man, like
an elderly old lady, something withred glowing eyes. It can be the
alien grays. It can be adarker than dark black mist or shadow.
A lot of times on this ceilingand they'll talk about they can't breathe,
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something sitting on their chest. Thisis the typical, classic what people are
willing to share sleep prowlesses one onone. But if you can gain the
trust of someone and they feel safeand they're going to share with you,
Okay, this is what really happened. A lot of people will talk about
interactions in the astral realm, anactual out of body where that entity in
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the room is pulling them into someother dimensional or liminal space and they are
in some sort of an astral nightmarethat they can't wake up from. They'll
see entities and beings. There's alot of all all of the senses are
involved in this. So you've gotpeople describing sound effects, vibrations, tingling
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in the body, things that they'rehearing, sights and sounds, flashing lights.
A lot of these sleep paralysis experiencesare now turning more technological, so
instead of ghost like figures, they'reseeing blinking lights and fiber optics and nanobots
and nanospiders and things like that.You've got you've got the whole incubus succubists
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genre of sleep paralysis, where peopleare having sexual encounters and typically these aren't
you know, sometimes you know,people will talk about astral sex, but
in a sleep paralysis scenario, it'smore of a violation. It's more of
a rape scenario. Then you've gotthe whole UFO version. There's a whole
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alien gray sector of the sleep paralysisexperiences where it's bright lights coming through the
window and being pulled out the window. It's the alien grays, it's the
medical experimentation. So it really doesrun the gamut. And what I have
found is there's a lot of peoplewho will call me and say, well,
I don't think I've ever had sleepparalysis. And the reason why they
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don't think that they've had it isbecause their experience didn't fall into this perfect
little I saw a shadow man evenbreathe. And with that, we're going
to need to take our first break. First thirteen minutes ran quick, so
folks, stay with us. Lotsof talk about with my guest night,
Vicky joy Anderson, So stay withus and we'll be right back. We
are back on Paranormal's stakeout. Myguest to night, Vicki joy Anderson.
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Wow, heavy, first session there, and did you have any thoughts you
were on a roll there just beforethe break, any thoughts you want to
complete there before we move on.Yeah. I just want people to know
that even if your experience doesn't fitthe common scenario of the little gargoyle on
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the chest or I can't breathe,or the shadow man or whatever, that
it does not necessarily mean that you'renot being harassed by this. Just understand
that even though a lot of peoplehave a common experience, a lot of
people have experiences that are probably justas common as yours, but they don't
want to talk about it, sothose details aren't in the public foray yet.
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But don't necessarily let that be thejudge to whether or not you've had
this or not. If you're seeingsomething really weird and no one else has
ever said that that, it doesn'tmean that it's not legitimate or that your
story isn't just as legitimate as theothers. So just know that there's no
kind of set formula for this.Obviously, this is probably more widespread than
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most of us even think about.But one of the first questions that has
to come to my mind, Iguess it's the cop in me. What
type of information do we have thisis a medical or a mental health issue
as opposed to perhaps a spiritual issue, which I want to get with you
in just a couple of minutes.How do we tell the difference? Yeah,
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so this is where it gets tricky, because when you delve into the
paranormal or the supernatural or the spiritual, if you start talking about entities with
a conscious and they're consciously have anagenda. They're smart enough to mimic physical
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and mental side effects. And thisis where it gets complicated. So you
could easily get a medical or ascientific or a psychological diagnosis for some of
the aspects of this, but itdoesn't rule out the supernatural, because the
supernatural is intelligent enough to mimic thosethings to throw off the scent. And
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so you're over here throwing the medicationor whatever at these symptoms and you're really
not touching the root of the issuebecause those symptoms are sort of just red
herrings into the woods, right,They're like the breadcrumb trail into the woods.
So I got two sides to thenext question. I want to ask
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you, first of all, ofall the people that you've dealt with,
is there a percentage where you've beenable to identify or a medical professional has
been able to identify that it wasa truly a medical issue or a mental
health issue as compared to a spiritualissue. It has any of that ever
come up? Yeah, So basicallythis is where this gets tricky. It
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becomes a witch comes first, thechicken or the egg scenario because this is
a form of harassment. It isvery wearing mentally, emotionally, and spiritually
and physically wearing on you. Becausewhat happens when you're having it night after
night is you're losing sleep. You'renot getting into the deep preparative sleep.
Your spouse or whoever there is witnessingthis is thinking you're nuts. It affects
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you wake up tired, you wakeup disoriented, and many times in this
is what a lot of people don'trealize, is there are attachments being made
when these when we come into contactwith these entities, there are attachments being
made, and so we're bringing thingsback into the physical realm with us that
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are influencing our mind and our mentalcapacity, and so a lot of times
there are legitimate mental and physical sideeffects of this, but it still does
not mean that those mental and physicalailments didn't originate because of your encounter with
these beings. And that's where itgets tricky to untangle. Well, if
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I'm getting this right, it's yourbelief that the problem itself is spiritual nature
almost all the time, and justmaybe the physical and mental health issues follow
it because of the stress it putson the body of the mind. Do
I have that right it? Idon't want to talk about out of both
sides of my mouth, But itcan be both. And that's what makes
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it complicated, because sometimes if youare completely in a bad mental spot,
that can open the door and makeyou susceptible to these visitations. And that's
why it gets tricky. That's whyI tell people in the book, the
doctors and the scientists and the psychologistsand the pastors on the paranormal people all
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need to sit down at the safetable and share their notes. Because if
a doctor says this is one hundredpercent of the time, there's a logical
explanation to it, and there's amedication for it, and we're done.
But then if you have a pastorthat says one hundred percent of the time,
you've opened some sort of spiritual doorand you've let a demon in that
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that person's not getting the help thatthey need. And so it really the
reason we're in the situation that we'rein now is everybody wants this to be
an arm wrestling match where there's asole winner at the end who hits the
fist to the table and they're thewinner. And the fact is it's a
best out of you know, it'sa best out of ten. You know,
you you arm wrestle ten times andfour times, this guy's going to
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win, and you know what Imean. So yeah, the whole world's
like that these days, where I'mthe only one that's right and nobody else
can be right. So yeah,I get you. So we've talked on
the on the periphery here about spiritualityand faith here, and I know because
your background, you're you're a majoredin Bible as well as English in school.
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You're you're a woman of faith.Tell us where you really think this
is coming from. Tell Us You'vementioned entities a whole bunch of times.
Yeah, tell us what tell us? What tell us what you see those
entities as being? And how haveyou come to those conclusions? Okay,
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absolutely, I'm going to be extremelyforth right here. And this is kind
of where the people on both sidesof the table say, I don't want
you, like neither one of themwant me. But this is what I
think. I know that the Churchwants all of this to be a demon.
Every alien gray is a demon,every shadow man is a demon,
et cetera, et cetera. Here'swhere I split hairs on that, because
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I did study Bible, and Idid study this stuff, and I did
have these experiences. A demon thetextbook theological definition of a demon, and
this is if you go into rabbinicalteachings, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the
Book of Enoch, some of theseolder books and apocryphal books. The textbook
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Jewish and early Christian response to whata demon was was a disembodied spirit of
a Nephelm giant that walked around onto Diluvian times, which was before the
flood. So all of the nephelinewere wiped out in the flood. They
died, their physical bodies died,but their spirits were immortal because their fathers
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were watchers and their mothers were human. And so these demons are simply and
only these disembodied spirits that are roamingthe earth and their earth bound. So
when you're up in the astral realm, or if you're in Ephesian six twelve
and they're talking about principalities and arkansand spiritual forces of wickedness, you're no
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longer talking about demons. And whenyou're talking about familiar spirits and ascended masters
and things like that up in theastral realm, and these ascended masters who
are prior humans who reached some sortof higher state of being, much like
Nimrod who became a gibbereeem that sortof a thing. You're no longer talking
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about a demon. And this iswhere I sometimes get frustrated with the Church.
It's like, there's no hierarchy.It's just everything bad is the devil
or a demon. And there areso many more rank and file of nefarious
beings out there, of different abilitiesand powers and rank and assignments, and
so to just say that every singlething that happens to us is a demon,
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or every single thing that happens tous is because we sin or we
you know, in the church,the typical answer if you go to a
pastor for counseling because of this,the typical answer is you let demons in
because you must have done a badthing, and it's possible. But there
are so many other aspects to thisthan just that. And so where I
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think we need to be a littlebit more open minded and intellectually honest in
this is that not every nefarious entityis a demon, but that doesn't mean
that they're not an affair, andit doesn't mean that they don't have a
very conscious agenda going on. AndI do think that we start to run
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into danger when we start ascribing levelsof goodness to some of these things,
And that is where I get nervous. I don't necessarily want to call every
single one of them a demon,But when we start befriending these thrength these
things and entering into long conversations withthem and gleaning knowledge from them, then
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I think is really where we needto show a little bit more discernment,
because these things can be wolves insheep's clothing. Help me a little bit
here. I keep saying them,but they're not demons? Who are them?
So? I'm talking about all ofthe cast of characters named in Ephesian
six twelve. So six twelve talksabout the heavenly places or the high place.
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Yes, So if you actually lookat that Greek word for the high
places, the epu rainios. Inthat context, the epu rahinios is the
is the liminal space between the throneroom and the earth. It's it's the
astral plane, it's the second heavenand the dwelling place of these Arkhans and
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principalities and forces of darkness and ascendedmasters and all these things. It sets
us up in Ephesian six twelve thatthe battle is not against flesh and blood.
So it's not against man fighting againsteach other. Our battle is not
horizontal. Our real battle is vertical. It's with these things in these high
places. And so because of theway it's worded in Ephesian six twelve,
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it's telling us to be on guardbecause the things that are in the heavenly
places are our enemies, and theyare at war with us. And so
whether it's an arc on, aprincipality, a ruler, a spiritual force,
an ascended master, an angel oflight, a fallen angel, a
demon, we have so many namesfor them. But if they're dwelling place
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or the space in which we goto contact or communicate with them is in
a place that has been designated asa place where the enemies of man live,
then no matter what sort of costumethey put on, or how what
they pro offer us as gifts,or whether they tell us we're chosen ones
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or we're going to help them savethe planet, we have to be leary
that these things could be leading usdown a primrose path. So you're discussing
entities. The traditional thinking is youhave heaven and all the angels and then
you've got all the bad guys downbelow. But what you're saying is there's
a whole lot of stuff in between. They can create problems for that,
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and that is the basis for alot of the issues dealing with sleep paralysis.
That right, Yeah, absolutely,I believe that sleep paralysis just like
the UFO scenarios, sleep paralysis isan abduction scenario. You are in the
astral realm, your spirit, yourlight body, or whatever you want to
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call it. You are being separatedfrom your body. It's not a nightmare.
You are in that astral realm.On that note, we've got to
take our next break and we're goingto talk about the connection with UFOs and
sleep paralysis when we get back toStay with us folks with my guest Vicky
joy Anderson. Be right back.Welcome back to Paranormal's steakeout with my guest
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Vicky joy Anderson. Heavy conversation,Vicky, we got talking a lot about
entities and I want to get Iwant to start discussing its connection with the
UFO world. But what is themost common entity associated. Since we've pretty
well established it's your opinion that entitiesare the cause of this, what's the
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more most common one. The mostcommon one is probably the shadow man.
The succubus is also very common,but again a lot of people don't want
to talk about that because that involvesusually a sexual violation m and sick succubus
incubus if you can explain that,sure, So an incubus is the male
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energy iteration and the succubist would bethe female energy iteration. These are entities
or demonic presences, whatever your frameof thinking is. But they actually sexually
violate the person. So it's notjust I can't breathe, I can't move,
but now you're there being violated insome way. And that's another area
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that sort of overlaps with some ofthe UFO abduction experiences, as those can
sometimes be sexually in the more likegenetic realm. How calm is that,
I believe it's more common than mostpeople that it's the part of the sleep
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paralysis scenario that no one really wantsto talk about. And even if you
don't get the incubists or the succubistsor you don't get the rape scenario.
A lot of people will have experienceswhere the sleep paralysis experience is what comes
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after a very explicit dream, whichI think is actually an incubist or succubist
experience in the astral realm. Ithink sometimes that's more than just a dream,
but it's more of a dream scenario. But then you've got another whole
group of people that are now comingout, probably because things that were taboo
to talk about are no longer taboo. And now I have many people who
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have told me that the sleep proalysisthat they had from childhood was a grooming
sort of a situation, and thata lot of this sleep proless the stuff
that they were having in childhood wasan early sexual awakening that in later in
life led to various sexual addictions,et cetera, et cetera. And I'm
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hearing more and more people contact metelling me about that. So what I'm
hearing is that this isn't just somebodystopping by to keep somebody awake at night.
This is something that there chose thevictim, if you will, has
chosen at a young age and systematicallyattacked over years. Yeah, yep,
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I very much do think it isa somewhat of a grooming process. And
I don't just mean that sexually.I even think that it is sort of
a re education program. A lotof the people that have spent most of
their life astral projecting or interacting withthese beings from these other dimensions, they
have a certain theosophical lens through whichthey see the world. And when you
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look at some of the people inthe eighteenth and nineteenth centuries twentieth century who
are still extremely influential writers, andtheir textbooks and their teachings are fundamental in
science and medicine and literature and art. I'm talking about the Levatskis and the
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Galens and the love Crafts, etc. They were card carring, theosophists and
astral projectors, and much of theirwriting was automatic writing and direct quotations in
dictation that they were receiving from ascendedmasters in the astral realm. The motive.
Then, if this is a systematicattempt to control, transform, evolve
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a person in this realm, therealm that we're familiar with, what's the
motive? Why is this happening?Sure, I'm glad you use the word
transformation, because that's kind of likethe key word that if I could summarize
my book in one word as towhat the endgame is, it is a
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complete and utter global cultural transformation.And you know, you look at you
look at the Lord's prayer where itsays, you know, on earth as
it is in heaven, right.And so you have this whole concept from
the book of Genesis on we're right. From the very beginning when Moses and
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Abraham were shown glimpses into the heavenlyrealm, the tabernacle that they built in
the wilderness was a replication of theone that they saw in heaven, and
so from day one it was anattempt to bring Heaven down, so to
speak, let's replicate here on earththe heaven that belongs to Yahweh, the
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god we create. And so theenemies of God are doing the exact same
thing, but their operation room isfrom the second Heaven rather than the third,
and so they are attempting to doon earth as it is in heaven.
But their heaven, the occult wouldsay, as above, so below,
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which is kind of the same conceptof let's emulate, let's reset up
on earth our golden age, let'slet's replicate earth. So What they have
to do is re educate us fromthis sort of Judeo Christian value system and
the Torah and the Law and theTen Commandments and a creator God who loves
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us created this earth and he senthis son to die. They have to
reorient us through the framework and thelenses of their world system, their political
system, their religious system, andit's taken a lot of work. The
Watchers attempted to do that in Antidiluviantimes, they were thwarted. Nimrod attempted
to do it during Tower of Babeltimes. I was thwarted, et cetera.
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But I do think that it isactually a re education program, a
grooming program to set up their kingdomon earth. It's kind of a race
to the finish right, who whoin the heavenlys will set up their kingdom
on earth first, Who will getthe scepter of the kingdom. So this
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is truly a battle of good andevil in your mind where it's Heaven is
trying to keep us on the righttrack. But for lack of a better
term, the Dnians and Dnsians inHell are trying to turn the Earth into
their own world. Yeah, youknow, absolutely, I mean it sounds
like the most cliche thing in theworld. But why are we as a
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culture obsessed with this concept? Almostevery movie we go and see, it's
some saving the world, it's somesuperhero, it's some DC Marvel. And
if you delve into the depths ofa lot of those DC and Marvel comic
books and the the Transformer franchise,which is all the Black Cube and the
Kabbala, and this is ancient mythologybeing retold. And so if if we
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were to go back in time,you know, ten thousand years and tell
the story of Superman who came down, you know, from his planet that
was destroyed, And if we toldthe story of you know, Thor and
Loki, if we told the storyof you know, the Transformers, they
would all have they would have differentnames. They wouldn't say Superman and Thor
and Loki. They would have differentnames, but they would they would have
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known exactly what we were talking about, because it's this is all just ancient
mythology being reached the Romans and Greeks. I mean, we basically use different
names for the same person exactly.I totally understand. Interesting. So,
finally getting around to the UFO partof it. How does this, how
does this connect with the UFO conspiracy, if you will, And why are
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we seeing grays? Why are graysapart of sleep paralysis? Yeah? Absolutely
so, Well, this is alot so with the UFO phenomenon that can
happen during a sleep paralysis scenario.But it does not have to because we've
all heard the story about you know, the people in the cornfield are out
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on the camping trip or you knowwhatever, So it doesn't have to happen
in a sleep paralysis scenario, butit can. So some people have those
experiences during a sleep paralysis experience.Where I think that sleep paralysis has a
stronger connection to UFO abductions than weever thought before is I actually think that
it is an abduction scenario. Andone of the most clever aspects of the
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sleep paralysis abduction scenario is that wemiss the missing time, which is usually
the tip off that something happens.So with the UFO abductee, they don't
remember what happened. They saw abright light or an orb or a ship
or something unusual, and it seemslike a split second later they're in their
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car, but there's something about what'shappening in the physical realm that tips them
off that they've lost time. Thesun has gone down, there are one
hundred miles down the road, threehours have gone by, so they know
something happened simply because there's time missingthat they can account for. Well,
when you go to bed at nightand you sleep five to eight hours,
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when you wake up in the morning, you are never going to question what
happened to that time. And soif that's the only tip off that you
have had some sort of interdimensional conflict, you're going to lose that in a
sleep proalysis scenario. And then you'regoing to go online and every channel or
website that you possibly find will saysleep paralysis is when you wake up in
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your bedroom and you can't move.And so if you don't know, you
have missed it time, and youbelieve all of the narratives online that this
is just one of those I wokeup too fast and I ate pizza before
I went to bed, and Ishould maybe be taking melatonin or something.
You're never even going to suspect thatyou are an abductee. And it's an
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extremely covert way of doing this,and I can delve into that deeper,
but I don't know where we arewith time, so I want to make
sure we we're going to eat aboutthree days probably for that. Okay,
two issues here. First of all, so you're saying, are you suggesting
that when people normally sleep, they'reperhaps going through this and don't realize it.
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Yes, I do. And nowI don't think that it for people
that know that they have sleep paralysisand it's they're harassed by their whole life.
What I don't think that we're properlyunderstanding is we think that the sleep
proalysis episode is that five or tenminutes when we wake up in our bedroom
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and see a shadow person or few. And what I'm trying to tell people
is what's happening typically is you're inthe dream state, you're deep in an
RAM cycle and you're having a normaldream, and it is usually within the
dream that the dream turns sinister.The sleep prolysis starts there in the dream
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state, you hear the vibrational sounds, the dread comes on, You're like,
oh no, it's happening again,and then instantly you wake up.
So it's this seamless transition that youwake up from a nightmare and thank god,
I woke up from the nightmare,but I woke up so quick that
the nightmare is still kind of playingout in front of my room, and
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I hate when that happens. Butwhat I'm saying is, just like the
UFO abductees who have sometimes hours ofmissing time that they can't account for,
just because your brain thinks that thereis a split second between that nightmare and
you're waking up, we always thinkthat the nightmare woke us up. What
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my personal experience is is that ithappens deep within the RAM cycle, and
what I think is happening this ismy theory. I'm still studying this out.
I'm still talking to other people whohave had the experience. But what
I want to do, hold onjust a second, because yes, we're
out of time coming up on thenext break. I want you to at
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to THUK because I want to getit in one straight line that habits broke
up. So folks, we stillgot one more session to go here,
so stay with us. We'll beback right after these messages. Welcome back
everybody for this final section of thisevening's paranormal stakeout. Before we get going,
want to remind everybody if you'd liketo check out see what we're up
to down here in Florida. Goto our website at Paranormal FBI dot com
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send us a message let me ifyou got any questions. We'll bring it
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my programs at Paranormalsteakout dot org.But I also want to remind you take
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a look at all the great programmingat XZBN dot net. That's the x
ON Radio and TV show broadcast networkfor all the great shows that are on
here. So check those guys outto a lot of terrific shows. And
Vicky Joe, you've got a book. Can you tell folks about your book
and where they can find out moreabout you? Absolutely? Thank you.
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It's called They Only Come Out atNight, Exposing the Dark Weapon of Sleep
Paralysis, and it is available exclusivelyon Lamarzuli dot net. But if you
hang out over at my website vickijoyAnderson dot com, you can find it
there too, and it'll take youdirectly to LA's site. And so go
into all the stuff we've been talkingabout here. Chapter four is of interest
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to most people astral vampire and Thresholdcovenants, but we go into the history
of this and the subjective and objectivejournalists aspects of it, as well as
who they target and why and howto get out of the astro matrix.
So let's so check that out,folks. Now let's get back to where
we were at before the break.Go ahead and pick up that thought if
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you could, and run with it. Yep, absolutely, so I want
to blast people's paradigm here. Weare taught to believe that sleep paralysis is
a short five to ten minute occurrencein our bedroom as we wake up,
and we can kind of shake itoff once we wake up and it's over
and done with. And that wasreally scary, but holy cow, glad
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that's done. What I'm trying toexplain to people is you need to think
of this war in terms of aUFO abduction, where in the dream world
you encounter these entities, something occurs, you wake up, you have no
memory of what happened after you firstencountered them. Your memory's wiped the same
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way the UFO abductees can't remember.And the period of time in the bedroom
where you can't move or you're seeingthe entities, that is the tail end
of the experience. It's not thewhole of it or the beginning of it.
It's the tail end of it.And our bodies are physically showing every
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single sign of trauma or an adrenalinerush. Our body. Our mind can't
remember, and our body is tryingas best as it can to show us
every sign that we've just encountered somethingtraumatic. All the saliva in our mouth
is dried up, we can't breathe, we're having a panic attack, we're
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terrified. Many times we're on ourback and our back is arched off of
the bed. A lot of timespeople wake up in defensive positions where they're
holding their their neck or their youknow, their they're gripping things, and
so our body is trying to remindus that something happened that we can't remember.
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But because we don't have that clueof missing time, a lot of
people just chalk everything off to anightmare. I've got to ask you this
question, Vicky, how do youknow this Uh, without you know,
medical evidence, how do how doyou know this is occurring? How do
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you know it's taking a longer periodof time? Vicky, can you hear
us? Uh? Well, we'vehelped here. We're hopefully getting her back
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on here in just a second.Little uh, technical difficulty. Interesting topic
that we've been discussing here. I'vegot some other questions I want to ask,
such as where do the Grays actuallycome in to play here? Are
the Grays actually an entity that weknow in them? Hopefully we're going to
get in her back here in justa second. Not yet. Apologize to
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the technical difficulty here, folks,but it's an interesting topic that unfortunately we
don't have a lot of scientific answersfor at this point in time, but
it is it is an interesting partof the paranormal world that we're studying.
I find it interesting that we've beentalking about the hat man or the shadow
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people that are often accompanying with paranormalinvestigations as being part of this. The
big question we got to have toask though, is is this psychological or
is or is this truly entities fromanother dimension interfering with us? And that's
those are the questions we have toask and we're still having a few technical
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difficulties, so just hang with usfor a couple of seconds. Want to
remind everybody that if you do getan opportunity to a question or something you'd
like us to share on the show, please get a hold of me at
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Would love to get your thoughts andcomments on the show, and we'll do
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do that. I got a coupleof other things coming up down here in
our neck of the woods over thenext few weeks because it's Halloween, it's
October. If you're in the area, We've got a couple of events going
on here in Vero Beach, Florida. If you go to our website at
www dot indiannurver Hauntings dot com,you can check out our Halloween Bash.
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On the fourteenth, we're doing adinner at a ghost hunt to support the
Indian River Historical Society here in VeroBeach, and that's going to be a
dinner and an event actual investigation ata place called the Holstrom House here in
Vero. So if you're in thearea, check it out, or if
you want to just come down andlearn a little bit more about the history
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Do apologize for this, but Ido appreciate your patience. If you'd also
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that is on the fourteenth of themonth. If I got that wrong,
(48:59):
Rob, let me know, becauseI'd like all of you to maybe pop
on to XZBN dot net and checkthat program out if you can. Next
week you might want to tune in. Next week we have another show and
this will be with a guest,Mark Micah Dank. He's going to talk
about hidden codes of the Bible.So it's going to kind of almost fit
(49:22):
right into what we're talking about herewith maybe some of the stories and the
mysteries the Bible is trying to tellus about the other side. So I
would highly recommend you tune in forthat show next week, so it'll be
out on not only on Speaker,but also on YouTube and you can find
it under Larry Laws and Interviews,Michael Dank or any any of the guests
(49:44):
that I've had on here. Sowith sorry, I just got a little
distracted. There was something on thescreen. I's hoping we get Vicky Joy
back. That was a tremendously interestingdiscussion, and I would chuck, I'd
recommend you do get her book.It does answer quite a few of the
(50:05):
questions. Once again, it's's itsinterpretation, but I do think she she
does reveal some compelling arguments for hertheories on this, So I do recommend
you you take a look at herbook. And it's the only they only
come out at night, exposing thedark weapon of sleep paralysis, so please
check that out. So so withthat, folks apologize for any technical difficulties.
(50:34):
Tonight was a great show thank youfor staying with us. Please take
care of yourselves, give your kidsa hug, take care of your family.
Until we meet again, we'll seeyou on the other side. Have
a great night, folks.
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