Is the Patriots game a must-win for the Steelers?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Underground, The steel City Underground, the black
and gold standard for Pittsburgh Steelers coverage. Now here's your hoes.
Joe Kuzma and Brian E. Rose.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of the steel
City Underground podcast. My name is Joe Kuzma, joined here
with my good colleague Buddy and Powell one, mister Briany Roach,
and Brian. Let me start this off by just asking
how are you doing today.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm great, I'm doing fine. Everything is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Now I'm feeling a little run down and I'm not
gonna not gonna lie. We're already into week three and
I'm feeling that way with the Steelers right now. We
have a title for this show. We have a preview
Steelers and Patriots this Sunday, one o'clock on CBS Atcheleette Stadium.
They're on a road again for the second time. End
three weeks, two out of the first three on the road,

(01:04):
and if you count next week, they'll be in Ireland.
So a lot of travel teams, a little banged up.
You've got a couple of different things transpiring here and
we're going to try and figure out who needs this
game more the Steelers or the Patriots. Is this Patriots
game a must win for the Steelers at this juncture

(01:25):
of the season. I guess we'll arrive at that at
the very end. But let's start off with a little
bit of a little bit of game topics context set
the series up. Both of these teams are one and one,
one win, one loss to New England Patriots, not with
a new face as their head coach or even in
their coaching staff. They've got Mike Vrabel, who formerly was

(01:46):
of the Tennessee Titans. You know, he's one of these
Patriots guys that comes off of the Bill Belichick tree.
He also comes off the Bill cowertree, having played for
him several years ago back here in the Steels City.
A guy that he's one of the ones that got away,
that had a pretty good career post Pittsburgh. So and
then he's got an offensive coordinator and Josh McDaniels that's

(02:09):
working with and operating with a second year quarterback drink May.
Surprisingly enough, the all time series the history of this
even without Tom Brady. Right now it's fifteen and fifteen.
They're tied in the regular season, but New England has
won seven of the past eight and seven of that
past eight. It's funny because I came up. I had

(02:30):
some guys here to, you know, do the dryer VC
cleaning thing. I know it's a little personal, but he
saw some of my Steeler stuffs, he says, big Steelers
fans start talking to him, tell him about the pod
hope he's watching. Sorry, I forgot the gentleman's name already,
but he brought up to Jesse James catch and I
was like, sob, that was also a Patriots game. When
you know it, isn't it funny that referee isn't around anymore?

(02:52):
But referee of this game is Cleete Blakeman, who we
know all too well. At least he doesn't have an
AFC North matchup this time around. Brian, So I know
you just dropped your head right there. There might be
some playoff implication since this is a conference game AFC.
I don't know what the Patriots will look like at

(03:13):
the end of the season, or at this point do
we know what the Steelers will look like. But right
now Patriots are It's like the Steelers is going to
have to chase maybe the Ravens. The Ravens look very
high powered or whatever. But on the other side of that,
the Bengals have the two and oh record, but without
Joe Burrow. On the other side, the Patriots, they are
looking right down the barrel of that Buffalo Bill's gauntlet

(03:35):
that's two and oh. So this one's going to be
important for them as well, and in front of their
home crowd. So having said that, let's jump right into
the quarterbacks, because I think this is what's going to
dictate the pace for this game. Aaron Rodgers, and I
know he had two interceptions, one that was pingponged around,
not really. I don't know his fault times. He looked

(03:57):
sharp at times he didn't. He was rattled a lot,
He's been sacked a lot, He's been hit a lot.
It's going to be a lot cleaner for him in
order to have any kind of impact on this game.
And the Steelers have faced some pretty good defensive lines
before the first two weeks heading into New England, and
they're probably going to face probably a pretty decent group

(04:20):
here too, especially when you consider the type of coaching
from Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Absolutely, I mean it's interesting, you say, you know, you said,
I kind of flipped the script on this.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I don't think it's the quarterbacks they're going to dictate this.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I think it's going to be the running games that
are going to dictate how this game goes. And if
in fact there is no running game for the Steelers,
then it will dictate the fact that they have to
throw all the time. And the real question will be
can they stop New England from running? And that includes
Drake may You know, I think when he is a score,

(04:57):
you know we're rushing score as well as the the
two TD throws last time around. You know, you like
to say young quarterbacks have problems with Steelers defenses, and
in the hiss as history dictates, they normally have. I
just until something changes, I don't think anybody's gonna have
any problems with his defense.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, I know the Steelers that defense is gonna have
to change. But just sticking to the quarterbacks for the moment,
I wanted to bring up Drake maybe because a lot
of people think second year, Oh, you know, New England
wasn't that good last year. But you know, so far
this season, forty nine to sixty nine, five hundred and
seventeen yards and three touchdowns as opposed to Aaron Rodgers
forty sixty three four to forty seven, with five touchdowns,

(05:39):
four of those in the first game. New England is
fourteenth in points scored, nineteenth in points allowed. The Steelers
somehow are eighth in points scored. You know, they add
what forty or whatever in the first game or close
to it, and then they're giving over Yeah, thirty one
and a half is what they're giving up, twenty ninth
most on average around the league. They're in bottom metrics

(06:02):
against the run. They're thirtieth against the I'm sorry, Pat,
I'm sorry. They're twenty fifth against the pass, twenty eighth
against the run. They're actually thirtieth on offense and rushing
and eighteenth in passing. Man, something's got to give because
it is. It's ugly, my friend, it is ugly. So

(06:24):
we'll see. Because I do think you're probably right. Even
though it's Josh McDaniels and he's coached so many different people,
they're probably still even with a younger quarterback, you kind
of want to lean on the same kind of people
with that kind of style, with the style that they have,
you know, they still have I'm losing a tight ends
name that I want to mention Hunter Henry with New England.

(06:49):
And then of course the running backs. We remember Ramondre Stevenson.
He's usually kind of a battering ram type. You got
Trevon Anderson, the rookie out of Ohio State who we like,
and so they've you know, it's not as though they
don't have any weapons on their team. But at the
same time, you know, May is able to beat you
in a few different ways. He could beat you with
his arm, and he could also beat you on the ground.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah. I just, by the way, don't say like liked.
We don't like him anymore. It's dead to me now, yea.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
They just college the dead. Forget where they went to
college when they're from that university up north. And they
play for the Steelers too. So unless it's Tom Brady
and we still hold that against him, because.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, I just have a lot of concern right now
about whether they're going to be able to stop the run.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
And you know, Stevenson is a bruising back. He's a
kind of back that's going to kind of you know,
get pushed. We've already seen far too often. Uh, you know,
lineman for the opposing team hitting the second level on
top of the linebackers. The linebackers can't shed because they
have been able to move and get away, and it

(08:03):
results in big gains. God forbid, Travion gets loose in
one of those because we know he's got breakaway speed.
I'm just I'm just really looking at this as if
they can't stop the run, they basically have no chance
of winning this game. That's the way this feels to me, right,
So I'm going to be paying attention to that. A
lot Laddermilk is going to be out, and we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Get to you.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I know that some of the Angel injury report here,
there's quite a few actually, and we can probably jump
into that before we get that. Probably probably is a
better spot to do that now than to get into
our defensive concerns because a lot of the concerns really
hinge on all the guys.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
That aren't going to play.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
And yeah, for real, I'm gonna pull up the injury
report from yesterday, but we already know that Derek Harmon
is trending towards out again. If if Tomlin didn't flat out, depending.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
On who you talk to, if you talked to Donlin,
he's questionable at best. If you talked to Derek Harmon,
Apparently he's ready to go.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
He was limited. He was limited though with the knee,
so it's a that's an upgrade from where he has
been throughout the start of this season. TJ. Watt was
a resting veteran, but you had Alex Highsmith with the ankle,
Deshaun Elliott with the knee, Joey Porter with the hamstring on.
They were all DMPs did not practice because of injuries.

(09:27):
Slay was another resting veteran. Patrick Queen was full practice
even with the oblique the rib injury that sidelined him
put him in the tent on Sunday. Max Sharping was
limited because he got hurt in the middle of practice.
I thought people were making that a little bit bigger
of a deal than maybe maybe I'm seeing this the
wrong way. I don't know, but again, Rappaport came out

(09:48):
and was like a huge blow, you know, to the
Steeler's depth, and I'm like, man, Max Sharping is probably
like fifty first or fifty second maybe, if not fifty
third on the roster, close to being cut for some
of the other moves that the Steelers have been making
with You'll get into here in a second as well,
So some of the additions that they have on the
Patriots side of things. Keon White see a full dmp

(10:09):
AD due to illness. He's the only one on their
injury report. Everyone else limited. Christian Barrymore was not injury related.
Chazon hamstring limited, Carlton Davis corner, Christian Gonzalez corner. Gonzalez
has been struggling to get on the field for New England.
Each of those guys achilles and a hamstrings, so those

(10:30):
aren't necessarily the easiest things to work through and then
go play. Harold Landry, new pass rusher in New England
with a foot, was limited. Marte Mapu another linebacker with
a neck. Morgan Moses limited with a foot. He's one
of the starting offensive tackles formerly in New York Jets.
Maybe somewhere Ravens too, I think. I think he had

(10:51):
a spell with the Ravens and then the Jets more
than one with the Jets. Jack Westover reserved tight end
and hamstring, and Jared Wilson a center with the thigh.
So the injury bug is hitting everywhere around the league.
People sometimes think that it's only the Pittsburgh Steelers, and
because of that, you know, they've they've had to go
out and make some additions to this roster. And it's

(11:15):
funny they just haded Jabrill Pepper's a former Patriot who
actually went through all of camp. And now they had
another one this week with Jawan Bentley who last year
under Drodd Mayo. That's who I could never remember who
it was was the one promised a job by Robert Kraft,
and Kraft says, oh, I made this big mistake. And
it's funny because he could have had Vrabel last year too.
He was consulting in Cleveland, right, So, but this was

(11:38):
one of Mayo's guys. This was also a guy that
started with Bill Belichick. He's you know Bentley, That is
Juwan Bentley. He was a captain in twenty twenty four
and previously. Man, he's just a tackling machine, like three
seasons over one hundred some tackles previous to that. But
he only played two games last year. Was injured. I
wanted to say pectoral muscle. I think it was a

(11:59):
pector or a muscle too, that he had something like
that that then he was out for the season. I
think he only played the first two games of the season.
If I'm not mistaken, he's coming over to the Steelers
practice squad. I said, Okay, here's a Ron Thumper guy.
This is a a land In Roberts, this is a
Vince Williams, this is a Lawrence Timmins kind of mold
kind of guy. That's probably not a three down backer,

(12:21):
but somebody need to bring in to help shore up
and fill the gaps. So I could see that. And
then Isaiah Hodgens formerly the Giants, not much of a resume.
He's like six three two twenty ish or something wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
That's what do you know about me?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I even thought maybe this was a special teams move
because of Caleb Johnson. But I don't know. I don't
know what the Hodgens move is all about. When you
still got Ben Scernix and Scottie Millers that play special teams,
is gonna play over Calvin Austin or Roman Wilson. I
kind of doubt it. So maybe he's just there just
to kind of help get through practices and scout teams

(13:01):
and stuff like that. That one is a lower profile
than I would say Bentley, who could have a chance,
you know, Malie Harrison is another guy that's on inrew
reserve now. And the inside linebacker corps you had, Queen,
it's a little dinged up. You have Hulcombe who still
hasn't really played full a full game of football since
getting hurt back in November twenty twenty three, and you

(13:23):
have a second year player in Peyton Wilson, so that
one at least seems like, you know, break glass in
case of emergency, and maybe he has some well, he
doesn't really have intel in this team. He didn't go
to camp with them. Maybe Peppers does. But maybe you
see either of both of these guys, because you know,
the defensively, as you said, we should be a little

(13:44):
concerned with the team that allowed Sam Darnold to almost
wreck up three hundred yards in passing and have given
up well over one hundred yards to each of their
opponents through the first two games. Yeah, I mean, as
I said, my big concern is that we don't double
dip this week and I'll allow two running backs to
hit one hundred yards. You know, I just I don't

(14:06):
know what to expect considering, you know what. They signed
Marvin Leal.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Off the practice squad, so that potentially, you know you're
going to see him get in and play.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Not that he was a huge run stuffer, but you know,
they gotta adds. They got to do something right.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
I mean, you know, you're starting to get real thin
there with both Harmon out and now with Loudermilk going
to be out. I just don't have a lot of
reason to feel that things are gonna get nit up
this week. I think I had this as a loss
at the beginning of the season anyway, just because it's
going to New England, and I was like, probably if

(14:45):
there's a game they're gonna lose early in the schedule,
it'll probably this one. I certainly don't feel better about it,
but you know, I'm just concerned it'll get away from
This is a game that scares me.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
With the running game. It just scares me.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
One thing though, Yeah, the running game. I mean, the
Steelers just giving up gobs of points, gobs of gobs
of runs and everything else. And I just don't feel
that maybe either side of these teams defensively don't look
strong heading into Week three, because you have the Patriots,

(15:19):
what they give up twenty seven to the Dolphins, they
ain't give up quite as much the Raiders. They were
in the twentiest range, but man, they Gino Smith almost
throw for four hundred in that first week with Las Vegas,
and it's like, Okay, we haven't seen Vegas. We don't
know what Vegas looks like with Pete Carroll and Gino Smith.
So you're guessing it's kind of like how Justin Fields
runs around and does his thing. But Tua completed over

(15:41):
eighty percent of his passes. He had thirty two attempts
last week, three hundred and fifteen yards, two tds and
a pick. I think Rogers, if you give him some time,
he's going to be able to That's the key part there.
Do something there. So I know we're jumping straight in
with the offensive matchups, but if Gonzales or Davis or
both are kind of hurt, I think this is You've

(16:01):
got to tip the cap for some dk metcalp balls here.
He's got to be able to grab them. Pat Fireman,
it's got to start grabbing some passes. But the Steelers
run game's got to support some stuff. You can't have
play action if you don't run the football or you
don't run it well.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
And to be honest, with you.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
If all they're going to do is is pin their
ears back because they don't believe you can run and
come after him, he's not going to have any time.
But that's there's two key elements, right The being able
to run the ball allows you to to back off
those linebackers and to make everybody think about the run
so that they don't they don't just pin their ears
back and head for towards the quarterback. When you when

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you can't run the ball, it becomes much less of
a concern. And the defense, you know, keys in on passing.
And we've already seen that that you know, the pass
blocking is not very much better than the run blocking.
So they're going to have to be able to find
a way to give Aaron Rodgers at least a little
bit of time or rethink the schemes and and the

(16:58):
passing attack that they're doing so the ball gets out
quicker Without that, I just I don't know how they're
going to operate functionally. They have to come up with
a different method of operations so that they can try
and take advantage of what they can do. I just
don't I don't know what the can do part is
right now, because it doesn't feel like they can do much. Yeah,

(17:21):
I'm hearing you on all of that, and you know
what the else they're going to have to look at
on defensively, the Steelers up against the Patriots or the
Patriots offensive matchups. I mean, Rimandre Stevenson had eighty eight.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yards receiving last week. It's going to look like a
mirror image of using Jalen Warren and getting him involved
in the pass game. They're doing the same kinds of things,
except they're actually running a little bit better with the ball.
Maybe not great, but he did have Stevenson did have
a four point nine average. Henderson only had three carries
for ten yards last week. I'd still trying to figure

(17:55):
out where he fits on this roster. He also has
Antonio Gibson, who you know for years formerly the Commanders.
This was a guy that you know made his heyday
on third downs quite a bit so. And then Drake
May himself fairly accurate. He could get off some of
these some of these passes, but if you could make
them hold the ball just a little bit longer, it
would go a long way. And I think that's where

(18:16):
the Steelers defense is a little stretched, right now then
in the secondary thinner and then they would like to
be you know, Deshaun Elliott maybe No, see where Joey
Porter Junior is at the end of this and then yeah,
I mean that's where I'm at. But I mean Stephan
Diggs is basically their biggest, you know, our most named
brand receiver that they have. And you know Diggs is

(18:38):
up there in age. He's in his early is he
thirty three or is he He may have be thirty
four at this point, but I don't know. He's not
prime Stefan Diggs. But he didn't have to see prime
Cooper Cup last week either, to see Cooper Cup light
it up. He's thirty one, I was really agent. So
he's gonna be thirty two shortly here at the end

(18:58):
of November.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
So wow.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, so dog years, yeah, dog years. And when it
comes to wide receivers, remember, so this is where we
say they fall off thirty one and older or thirty
one is the last the last of the Mohicans was
so to speak with some of this, Yeah, I mean
he didn't have a big year last year in Houston.

(19:21):
He got shipped off after Buffalo discarded him. He had
a bunch of thousand year or a thousand yard receiving
years there. So Steelers fans are likely familiar, familiar with
the name, familiar with the player, and of course his
time with the Minnesota Vikings eleven years in the league.
He might, you know, there's something to be said about
veteran guys who know how to run routes, et cetera.

(19:41):
We need Ramsey and Slay to to play up to potential,
and maybe he could use Ramsey as a chess piece
as they wanted to. Really didn't materialize last week with
Porter being out.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, I don't, you know, there's just already so many
pieces of the puzzle not in place. You know, last
week there had to be communication issues. I know it
was hinted at in some of the interviews, but there
had to be because you had people playing in spots
that they hadn't.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Been practicing in, you know. And so I know Darius
Slay mentioned.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
In one of his interviews that that, you know, communication
could be a problem because.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
This isn't the team that they envisioned it to be.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
But I you know, all the hype that was built
up around this defense to have it go so wrong
at the beginning of season is tough.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I I really think.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
That once Derek Harmon gets back, once they get some
other pieces back, you know, we we got a better
shot at seeing improvement. But I mean I have the
same concerns I talked about in the post game. Where
is TJ? And what is he doing? Who's going to
provide pressure off.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
The other side? If it's not Alex?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
So now you're going to have a combination of Jack
Sawyer and Nick Herbing, you know, who aren't going to
be as stout defending the run as as Alex high
Smith was, So that all of a sudden, your run
defense is again a little weakened. What are you going
to do to support that on that side of the.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Ball or the line? It's just problematic?

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Are they? Are they really? You know we talk about
the wide receiver drop off. Are we just hitting that
point with so many players who are veteran guys on
our defense that in fact, the defense.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Has just gone off a cliff.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I'm not ready to say that yet, but I'm getting
close to thinking it. You know, if this is another
thirty one point debacle, you know, you just you really
have to start questioning what they can do to try
and improve.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I'd like to see more Cole Holcom see if you
can have him in some football shape. I think he
helps tremendously. You got to get your other starters on
the field, and then he plugged Derek Harmon in with
that combination, and I think it's a completely different looking defense.
You know, Patrick Queen was saying, there's no panic, so
we shall see. But where will we see those where
we see this from Brian, I'm bringing up your favorite

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segment here.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
The map, the map, the map, the map, the map
is I don't know. I don't really know the Dora
Explorer song about the map, but I'm like the map,
the map.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's the blue blue blue this week. And I won't
be labored this too much. There's not a whole lot
of areas getting this game. Do a ton of games
in the one o'clock window for CBS. There's like this
small that's like your color. That's like, uh, it went
with the orange. What's that little fruit? Okay, yeah, I

(22:48):
did not look to see where everybody else was. But
the Steelers are in blue. One o'clock Steelers are in blue.
Iron Eagle JJ Watt again on the call for that
game and the currently the Steelers are sitting here. Let's see,
the betting line is over under a forty four and
a half. They are favored currently by a point and

(23:12):
a half, which is I know, right, who would think?
Who would have thunk it? So they think there's gonna
be a lot of points by leaky defenses.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Plus over. I'd still take the over, by.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
The way, yeah, just just might. And don't forget some
of the points the Steelers gave up last week was
due to special teams.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Also, so.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Brian, your predictions for this game, you're already going with
the over instead of behinder.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go first to the Bible. Well,
I mean, I already scolded him he got it wrong
last week. But are they gonna Are they gonna win
the game? He still thinks they're going to win this game.
The bibble Bobble is going of Steelers victory. I'm not.
I don't think they win this game. I think that
there's a chance that it's a better game. I actually,

(23:59):
I mean I said to the over, I might take
the under. There's a chance that less points get scored.
There's a chance, even with everything I just said, there's
a chance that they figure out a way to get
slightly better on defense if they can bottle up the
run and you know, get get a little more pressure.
It's funny I read something that as far as a

(24:21):
pressure defense, they're actually their numbers are really good, right,
They're they're committing pressures on passes. The problem is they're
not getting home and they're letting guys get outside the pocket.
That's fixable, right, if the pressure is actually there, and
maybe it just hasn't felt like it because the sacks
haven't been there. But if the pressure is actually there

(24:43):
and they can get home, that can change a lot
of things. Right, So you know, maybe maybe they find
a way to limit the Patriots and the Patriots don't
go nuts and score thirty plus points. But I still,
even then, I still don't see this team, with the
problems they're having on offense, putting up twenty plus points.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
And I just I see it as a loss.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
As long as they don't make a much. They can't
give up almost fifty percent pressure rate to you know,
Milton Williams coming over to Philadelphia. That's a guy you
really wanted in free agency. Half of this defense is
on the Andrew Report, So we'll see who plays into
what degree that they do. Robert Spelane is one of
the inside linebackers, pretty good against the run, but anything

(25:31):
else I think he can be exploited. I think it'll
be exploited with these tight ends. Very familiar with him,
and you know, all the credit to him for carving
out a pretty long and I guess will paying NFL
career post Pittsburgh. You know a lot of spot duty.
He was with the Raiders for a little bit there too,
So good for Spolaine. I feel like I say anything
ill of him. I think he probably fits better in

(25:52):
a four to three anyways, as opposed to a three four.
So that's where the Steelers I think. I think if
they figure that out, and they figure out the right
combination of Queen Will and Holk them here in the interim,
maybe they call Bentley up just to see on some
you know, first and longs goal lines and stuff like that,
he may have maybe a minor impact. I'd like to

(26:12):
see Peppers get in just a little bit so then
you can free Ramsey. I still I'm still biased enough
to think that this new England team, even though they're
gonna wear their pat Patriot throwbacks. I don't know that.
I feel like the Steelers overall still have more better talent.
They just they can't have the mistakes that they did,
and they win the Jets game because of a special

(26:34):
team's play and two special teams plays. Really if you
consider scronic covers that fumble punched out by Gainwell and
then the Boswell field goal, and then last week they
lose it because of them. They lose the momentum, they
lose the whole game script there. So I think the
game script is going to be about the same for
both of these teams. They're going to try and just
kind of eke it out and minimize their mistakes on
both sides of the ball. Who does fewer of those?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Maybe TJ.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Watt shows up, you know, Teams like you said, have
been running away from him, so Herbik Sawyer, somebody's got
to do that. They just can't. I don't know what
they do with Drake May. Drake May isn't necessarily a
guy that's going to run around like a Lamar Jackson
or something like that. But you can't let him just
sit back there and process everything like Sam Darnold. So
I do I don't feel like this is a this
is them going to walk away. If they do win this,

(27:19):
it's probably by a bo as Well field goal in
three or less points, just enough to cover because that's
the way, you know, Vegas and all the betting lines
end up working. So the not the most comfortable feeling
in the world. But we got to answer the title
question here as we close the show, Brian must win
for the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I look, I you know, I've said this at the
end of last season. I said at the beginning of this season.
I don't think any games it must win for them
right now. And the reason is I don't think they
must win.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
The the point that I keep trying to get is
I'm going to root for them to win every week,
but if they don't, oh well draft in twenty twenty.
I just I don't believe this team is ready to win.
I know they're trying. I know that they made the
moves that they made to try and win. So do
I think this is a must win? I don't, you know,

(28:12):
until something changes. I don't think they got to win anything.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
No, not yet.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
But I'm also going to say this is a I'd
like to win. When you're talking about talking about if
you've got to chase the Ravens. Let's say the Ravens
win the division and you're looking at one of these
wild card spots. You need some conference wins for tiebreakers
across the division. So this is a I would like
them to win type of situation.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
There's another reason I would like them to win.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Ohio State has a bye this week, and so I
don't have a feel good game on Saturday, so I
need a feel good game.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
I would like.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Them to win simply so I can get out of
the weekend having had one of the teams.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I root for win a game.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
That's funny, man, I know you get these weird Well, well,
the Steelers met that bye week might come at a
good time. We'll see who's healthy, who's available to play.
A little bit shorter for preview and pre game four
all of hims. If you missed, we had a little
We had covered quite a bit of this in the
post game too, so go back and check out that
episode the post game from the Steelers and Seahawks. I'll

(29:16):
about do it for us for today.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Man, So hey, where are they going to find us
next time?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Are we going to have a post game Are we
going to have a post game in the United States?

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Are we going to have a post game exit.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
In United So we can't wait that long, but we
will have a pre game. But we're getting ahead of ourselves.
But it's right on the doorstep of a trip to Ireland,
so we'll see. Well, hopefully they have a product that
you know you're not too embarrassed to watch when you
get there. But man, these are some winnable games. It
was winnable against the Seahawks. It wasn't for those mistakes.

(29:51):
That's why I think maybe the Steelers can do just
enough and not stick up the joint. But you never know.
They have surprised this the other way too. So until Dad, Bryan,
We'll tell everyone out there too, like comment and subscribe
by name's Joe, His name's Brian. Until next time, we
encourage everyone out there to be safe, be good, and
we'll catch you later.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
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