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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Underground, The steel City Underground, the black
and gold standard for Pittsburgh Steelers coverage. Now here's your hose.
Joe Kuzma and Brian E. Rose.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of the steel
City Underground podcast. My name is Joe Kuzma. This man
to my left or right, I don't know virtually whichever,
and the other split screen here with a light up
toy dog toy. I don't know what do you got
going on there? Brian, it's a sonic toothbrush.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm cleaning my mouth so that I can spit on
people as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh, so you're gonna be polite before you do it, right, man? Dude,
I don't know where I wanted to actually begin today's show. Usually,
you know, sometimes we say we're like the least prepared people.
We say that, all kidding. We have some form of preparation,
but sometimes we at least have a format, and I
don't have a format for this one because there's just

(01:05):
so much to discuss. I know, I want to make
sure I discuss everything, but we've got Jalen Ramsey being
disqualified ejected. The language is disqualified, but thrown out of
the game. Basically, you've got the officiating that led to
a lot of that and allowed or permitted what they
can done. They permit, you know, in many ways. And

(01:28):
I've got a new word for you. You know, we used
to say the word ass hat a lot, Brian, Yes,
we did, and assat is a great word.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
It remains a great word.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Do you think the white Caps are technically ass hats
or I mean, the only one guy gets to wear
the white cap on the crew And I don't want
to just completely dump on all the officia, but then refereeing,
they had a tough that was a tough day in
the NFL for officials yesterday especially. Let me just put it.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, I think that the very coinage of the
term ass hat was inspired by refereeing.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
So our referees ass hats.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I think that's by default all referees are ass hats,
but not all ass hats are referees.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Okay, I guess that makes sense. However you justify it. Yeah,
there was quite a bit, man, because I mean, I'm
watching some of these other games and I want to
say it was the Ravens and Browns game. It was
one of the guys that with the Steelers had already
had this year, like Eck or Clerk or somebody. I'm
trying to remember who was on. But it was like
when you see this guy on TV, you just know

(02:34):
for sure, Like at least Vinovich seems like he gets
to the point, like they get it down and fast
and they spit it out even though it seemed like
the mic wasn't working. I think that was part of
the wind very windy in Pittsburgh yesterday. I thought it
was going to impact more of the game than maybe
it did, like we saw in some other games like
Philadelphia for example, where Detroit and Philadelphia couldn't kick extra

(02:55):
points apparently any long field goal attempts. They were just sailing.
That was the system that was coming through. In fact,
there where tornado warnings actually just south of Pittsburgh on
Saturday night, like probably about ten or eleven o'clock or
something like that. But anyways, so many different individual things
to talk about. I don't want to talk about just fishing,
but boy, there were some things that were just some
head scratchers we could talk about there. Individual performances. I

(03:18):
think I want to go there first for whatever reason,
because I think they'll get us back around to Ramsey
and like, you know, the turning points of this game.
Let's talk about like I was talking about, you know,
Jalen Warren being our keys of the game, right, Jalen
Warren being key and then he gets hurt and you
have Kenneth Gainwell come in and Kenneth Gainwell third down

(03:39):
back and whatever. And he scores two touchdowns in this game,
seven receptions for eighty one yards, large usage for him.
He carried the ball nine times for twenty four not
that great two point seven average. Warren was doing decent,
but he only carried ten times sixty two yards six
point two average. Then he came out, they tried to
use Caleb Johnson. Would have had a nice run except
there was like a there was all these offensive face

(04:01):
mask calls that just kept happening in this game, and
offensive passer ferens its just goofy stuff you don't see
called anywhere. That's a face mask call on Caleb Johnson
was so weak.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I mean, you know, they.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Normally allow, you know, the stiff arm to hit the
face masks as long as you don't do one of
these things with it. And he may have slightly moved
the guy's face down.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
But it was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I mean, they they they're the officiating. I mean, I'm
gonna do my officiating tirade right now. The officiating was
so bad yesterday that when Gene Sterotor on the broadcast
is consistently disagreeing with the calls being made on the field,
including the replay balls.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
And look it went both ways.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Because I'm telling you right now, and I told you
this in text when we were talking, Connor Heyward did
not get that first down, absolutely did.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Not, and to replay too. They went to replay and
they still got it. We didn't see it, man, I'll
tell you what. And they're selective when you're the home team.
There's certain things they don't want to show on the scoreboard.
That was one of them that didn't and of course
the whole Ramsey situation with Jamar Chase. But before I
get into that one, Brian, Yeah, here's exhibit number two.

(05:15):
Since I guess we're on the topic already. I didn't
want to make this all about officiating right out the gate.
We do some good things to say, but this was
ruled a roughing the passing roughing the pass call on TJ.
Black call, and I think I might have another still
of it somewhere if I could find it. This was
like the beginning of it, right before he wraps him,
and it's like, well if he lands on him in

(05:37):
any particular way, and he wasn't trying to. Obviously he
knows the rule. He's been tagged a lot with various
suspensions and penalties and things over the years. That being TJ. Watt.
But that was a very key point where the Steelers
they were getting off the field there. That was a
third down at a key point in the game, and

(05:58):
it just kept the Bengals in it. And I guess
it's going to parlay into when the Steelers they were
up twenty to nine when Jamar Chase, who it been
talking shit the entire game. I mean, he was going
out of his way to get in people's face, as
Joey Porter was another one. Just wasn't Ramsey. It was
anyone that he could find. And I mean, you've got

(06:21):
this right here, and it's like, this is postgame. He
comes right up to Patrick Queen and points fingers at
him like a gun, and you've got this. This is
the Steelers staff photographer. That's catching this or one of
the big photography houses. This is with this knucklehead, you
know what I mean. So you have the two. First
of all, Tomlin was on the field and was not

(06:42):
happy with the offsetting penalty situation. Could have gotten the
Steelers defense off the field there again, And there's multiple instances,
and I think I want to point this out particularly
because when these things do go your way, I think
it's going to make the defense look a little better.
I know, you still say, hey predicated on turnovers. That
was one of our keys to the game, turnovers, making
sure that they just didn't let Jamar Chase and t

(07:05):
Higgins just run around all free all over the field.
But the time of possession, which they actually won by
like ten seconds, finally they won it, the officiating did
not help in any circumstances. And when you have the
entire Jamar Chase t Higgins sequence, it goes down. Tomlin's
on the field. Tomlin's just like and there was a

(07:26):
time where they had to use a time out too,
and Tomlin's just doing one of these. He's out on
the field about five yards and he's got his hands
he's doing the you know, pump the clock up reset
the play clock. Then struggs and Vinovich gives him like
a right back at him, and it was like, I'm like,
I don't know, like they just I don't know why.
And it's not the first this has been happening. The
clock issues when it comes to setting the ball and

(07:49):
play clock, it had been pretty They've been consistent across
the league, and the fact that they're inconsistent from what
we were used to seeing gaming game or year to
year so far. So Tomlin's lake out on the field
and he's he's very animated about the offsetting penalty situation.

(08:11):
But then you have you get down to a fourth
and one, and let me tell you these the crowd
at this game became alive at a certain point. It
was in this area that and I think that the
Steelers defense really really fed off of the moment here,
right you had fourth and one and they're getting off

(08:33):
the field. They stopped them, No tush push, nothing, They're stopped.
And all of a sudden, now you have like this scrum.
You have everybody fighting and you see a flag and
you're like oh, and then it's just like, oh, just
the one guy this time. And since we already got
him with one. That's a second one. He threw a punch,
which you said wasn't really a punch Again, No, RD,
it was. If you look at it again, it was

(08:54):
definitely it's enough forceful. But I'm going to get into
that too, because my first my first thought was and
you know you're in the back rooms too, and you
might have seen me say that, and it was like
that was my first thought, was something got said or
he got spit on. And even after the flag is
thrown and you've got people restraining Jalen Ramsey and taking
him to his own bench, this knucklehead Jamar Chase is

(09:18):
still coming across the field over on to the other
side of the bench. Do you remember that Bears game
and was the one guy that used to play for
the Steelers and got tagged for something like that He
had to sack and that game should have been over
and instead it was like a penalty and everything. I'm
trying to remember who it was he got cut. He
was only with the Steelers for a cup of coffee,
maybe practice squad, training camp or whatever, and I saw
that happen. He went over and you know, gestured, decided

(09:40):
and they were flag on that like, where's all the
tawning for this? Jamar Chases ran his mouth and was
permitted to do it pretty much all a game long.
Then spits on someone and I don't know, you might
not have been able to see it. Maybe it didn't
land a certain way, but I could tell you if
somebody spits on me, my first reaction probably isn't what
some people are going to be, like, oh, be the
bigger man and just walk away, or they're gonna say,

(10:00):
like Dak Prescott when what's his name from the Eagles
spit on him in pregame, Jalen cart Well, there was
a distance and then it wasn't in the moment of
the game, and then all of a sudden, like I
think Dak Prescott's reaction to that is more like what
the what are you doing? You know what I mean?
And you're just shocked and you don't even have a
chance to react to it. Right You're within there're two

(10:21):
different isolated situations, because here the Steelers just made a
big play and you've been hitting people for three quarters
and this guy's been talking smack the whole time, and
all of a sudden he spits on you. I'm probably
leveling him. I mean, it doesn't matter. I don't talk
about bigger man or whatever. You're expecting the officiating crew
to observe this, and instead they only reserve observe the retaliation,

(10:43):
which unfortunately is a lot more common than you would think.
Ramsey's out and everybody's like, oh geez, Ramsey's Now Ramsey's gone.
They get a first down and the secondary's already thin,
and this is really going to hurt the team, and
this is going to doom them. And we've seen this
story and now the Bengals are going to be back
in this picture. They're gonna be back in the standings picture,
they're gonna have an unblemished record in the division and

(11:06):
all these other things, right, And it didn't end up
turning out that way, luckily, but it very well could
have been a big game deciding decision there or no decision. Yeah,
but not throwing Chase out.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I mean, I let go the talking shit bit because
Jalen Ramsey talks an equal amount of shit.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
So that's back and forth, and so they're gonna let
that go. I get it.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
So I'm fine with that. I was fine with the
offsetting penalties. You both knew dumb stuff. You both get caught.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Fine.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I also understand that refs only see the retaliation half
the time because they're not staring at the players constantly.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
And I one.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Hundred percent believe Jamar Chase absolutely was trying to get
Jalen Ramsey's tossed. And I believe that one hundred percent
because Ramsey knocked him on his ass earlier in the game.
Probably should have been a personal foul that was called
there wasn't, But you know, so that they got away
with that. Again, officiating was bad on both sides in

(12:12):
this instance. I'm sure if Chase is aware the reps
are not always staring at them, it's before anything happens.
They're just jawing and he lets the I mean you
could see it in the video. Spit comes out of
his mouth. There's no question about that. Whether it hit
Ramsey or not, I don't know that. I can't tell.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
But if you.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Spit at me, I'm assuming I'm going to react to
So do I blame Jalen Ramsey for it? No?

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Do I understand it? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Can you do it? You know, I don't know. Sometimes
you got to try and rise above. But at the
same time. You know, it worked out fine in the end,
and I absolutely yeah, right there, you can you absolutely
can see it.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, indicated by a sideline camera from a member of
the media that was filming. This was not caught on
the CBS cameras.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
No, but it was. It was very obvious in that
view that that's what happened. So I give Jalen Ramsey absolutely,
you know, I and I think most people would react
the same way, especially in the.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Heat of battle, in the heat of the moment.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I think Tomlin was very noncommittal about the whole thing too.
He seemed like he was He's probably not happy that
his player gets thrown out, right, you never want to
get to it. He's probably understanding of the situation too.
I mean, this isn't like, you know, it says that
George pickens territory where he goes to the instigates or
he's you know, he's starting something.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
They're gonna say. I mean, you're gonna say the same
thing all the time. You got to be above it.
You got to move forward. You can't let that happen.
It hurts the team. But anybody in that situation understands, right, Yeah,
Just like even though you're gonna say that as a coach. Oh,
you got to try and not to have that. At
the same time, you kind of like wink wink, I know,
just you know, you should have kicked him in the nuts,

(14:02):
you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, well, I mean it's literally that could be an
assault or battery, like depending on state laws or where
you live, and if you're overseas. We talked about this
at some other point where it's like, you know, the
penalty for this you go and do that to somebody
and you're in a certain culture, you're overseas or something
like that, And I mean that's still like very vile
here in the United States of America, right, But you

(14:25):
go somewhere else and I mean there could be some
very serious like you might be unalived for spinning on someone.
So you know, I'm not trying to go that far.
But back to Chase just for a second. I mean
there was one where he didn't even get a penalty,
and I think it was Joey Porter. And you want
to talk about cool as a cucumber, probably not. He
was probably human. He was probably talking, but he didn't

(14:45):
throw blows, he didn't do anything extra. Chase had him
by the face mask. He had both hands inside the
grill and holding it, and it's like just nothing like
they were letting some things kind of they're letting things fester.
Whereas get that right away, and you get that in
the first half of the game. Are they gonna be

(15:05):
dumb enough to do it again later? Probably not? And
that probably goes all the way to this. I mean,
it was just the series of the fourth and one
and it was like the double penalties and then they
didn't even really get to run a play what would
have been a fourth one. It was just like penalty
after penalty and then Ramsey's gone, and you're like the
Bengals go down and they drive and they they're held

(15:26):
to a field goals a forty eight yard field goal.
It wasn't a chip shot necessarily, but it's now twenty
to twelve. This the fan base went nuts, and I mean,
there was a delay of game that was in here,
and I've never really heard where, you know, I think
our fans get to a certain point. I don't think
they've ever been to a point where they've been so animated.

(15:47):
Did boo or they make noise on third down or whatever,
and it's just kind of like, eh, whatever, And then
of course it's deflating because the Steelers give up a
third and sixteen or something, and then it's just not
the same. Here you had Flacco in the huddle. The
crowd is just pissed. They're at about an eight eight

(16:07):
and a half here on the volume dial goes up
to ten, and he comes out of the huddle and
he's getting ready to start trying to make some adjustments wherever.
And they're in the closed end of the end zone
and it goes a whole other like octave higher. They
turned a knob and I heard it actually increase one level,
and then it broke through a whole other level, and

(16:29):
I'm like, wow, I don't know that it's been this
loud and Akroschuer stadium for years. And the people were
just irate, and a defense certainly fed off of it,
and it certainly did end up getting to the Bengals.
I know sometimes you say momentum isn't a real thing,
but Ramsey it sparked. I think it pissed off and
gave enough purpose to the rest of the defense that

(16:52):
said that's it ballgame, and then they started playing like
it too. We didn't really get into at one more officiating,
one that didn't get to see a real with the
replay we saw in the stadium, DK Metcalf offensive pass interference.
It was it was so weird, and I just watched
the week. Then I watched the Eagles game and they
called it backwards. They called it on Oh, I can't

(17:13):
remember his name right now, the Lions corner and Chris
Collinsworth actually going, He's just like, that's terrible and that's
going to decide the game because it was within the
two minute warning and Philly needed that first down and
they totally blew the throw. Everything was out of sync
and there was just nothing there. And I'm just like,
that is odd.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
So the chip that they called him for called him
twice for OPI right, the chip or the or the
I guess what do they call it?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (17:39):
I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I can't remember the term because I'm old and I
forget shit.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
But you know that that crossing round, Okay, that's moderately legitimate.
Did I still think it was a little It's not
like he set and hit the guy, but the extension. Look,
the DP is that far away from him. He didn't
push him away all that ref saw was extension and went, oh,
that's extension.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Therefore it's an OPI, No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
The guy's not even that close to him in order
to touch him.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
He had to extend. It was it was such a bit.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
It was late because the DBA in that case, I
don't know if that was dj turn whined for it
and he got it. Yeah, he started doing this and
like two seconds later if that comes out, and that
was part of what drew the ire of the crowd here.
But I'll tell you what else is so momentum shifting stuff. Uh,
first you have Kyle Duggar take one to the house

(18:34):
and you're kind of worried at this point because Aaron
Rodgers goes out. We'll get the Mason Rudolph in a second.
But the offense still did not look sharp. Rogers looked off.
In many cases. The first drive decent, but they weren't
able to This is the Bengals defense. It was just
like he's holding on to the ball, giving up sacks.
Need something here. The defense scores. And then of course

(18:54):
at the end, Dugger I think it was chased and
he just kind of sweeps out of the way at
the tail end of that that tried to make the
tackle at the end, and what a play by Dugger
taking it all the way. James Pierre is going to
have one a little bit later. I've got something to
say about here too. But Dugger having been three games
now with the Steelers, maybe two full weeks of practice,

(19:15):
playing excellent, got his flowers from Tomlin. Also talking about
on the backside, this Steelers defense has been a lot
more solid. That's been the quote unquote major change or
major difference there. It is there with Chase. I love
that he just sweeped them away. Looked like one of
those shoolin masters that was just like untouchable, just and

(19:37):
gracefully with a hands on I like that. We'll talk
about people who get swept away in a little bit. Yeah, Okay.
Then there's James Pierre, who I want to talk about too,
because what a game by him. We've been talking about
Darius Slay and how Slay had been underperforming. Maybe he's

(19:57):
the old man, and I know, splash play, splash play,
splash plays. You could have had a second interception too,
But you know what that one deep ball t Higgins
or was it Chase one or the other? The deep
ball that comes down. Very nice play, very nice play.
Times it perfectly. Other people would have gotten tagged in
with like or whatever.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
It's the key.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
His hand was on him, There's no question about it.
His hand was on him, but he didn't turn him. Yeah,
and that's why he didn't get an OP or defensive
pass interference call because had he turned him to get
in there, then they had thrown the flag.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
But he didn't. So it was a very nice play.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I was wondering maybe what you thought about the flip
into the end zone stupid.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I guarantee you that was one of those things where
he went.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I was pissed off at him for doing him, like,
we can't afford another DV to go down, mister Pierre. Don't.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
It's like, don't stop trying to be a b stop.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
You don't need to just go in and score, you
know if you and he didn't land it either.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
He didn't land I know, I know, And I was
just like great, like they are already so thin. It's like, oh, geez,
Chuck Clark's coming in for Jalen Ramsey now and Eckles
had to keep coming on and off the field, and
man Pierre and you know, I'm gonna sound like I'm
full of shit here, but I'm gonna try to be honest.
The other day, I had like one of those shower thoughts,

(21:21):
you got something that's growing in your subconscious and I
started to think about James Pierre and being undrafted and
you know, or equivalent to a low round pick. It's
just one of those thoughts. I'm listening to radio and
stuff like that, and I'm like, he's been playing pretty well,
and like maybe he's turned a corner to a guy
that you could depend on a little more. And I
remember a guy by the name of Mike Taylor that

(21:43):
was not hot stuff for the first few years of
his career, and everybody you know, by the time he's
at the end of his career, he's a beloved stealer,
you know what I mean. Maybe Pierre's on a trajectory
like that. I'm not trying to say he is like
Taylor yet, but he's certainly playing better than Darius Slay was.
And to hold you gotta say this too. Brian T.
Higgins to three for sixty three. Jamar Chase targeted ten oh.

(22:06):
Higgins was targeted eight times and only caught three of those.
Jamar Chase ten targets, three catches, thirty yards. Those guys
were held to six for ninety three, and Higgins had
the one touchdown again where the team kind of stopped
and thought there was a whistle a flag, this play
wasn't gonna go through, and the guys up front just

(22:27):
were like, they didn't do it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
It was insane.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Even I'm sitting there going, oh, it doesn't matter, touchdown,
it's gonna get called back.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
There's a penalty.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Where is it? And it wasn't. There wasn't one. I'm like,
it was so blatant.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Just that was so like when you're talking about today
one game, Yeah, and we're complaining about the refs, and
I get it, somebody's gonna come in and say, stop
whining about the refs, you know, put your big girl
pants on or all that. The problem is they were
so bad. It was bad in this game. They were
so atrocious that even with the win, and again I'm repeating,

(23:03):
they weren't just atrocious against the Steelers, they were just
flat out bad. They miscalls that the Bengals would have
been benefited from. They gave the Steelers the first down,
they flat out didn't deserve I'd get it. They were
just bad. There's another one that bad. You got to
say something.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
There was another one Nick Herbert had gone the Dugger return.
I don't know if you saw it or not, but
who was it that was running in pace? One of
the tight ends might have been fat and Herbert actually
got him spun around. He was blocking them and then
Dugger goes to go by and he tugged him. He
got the inside of his jersey and his pads. It

(23:40):
was a very clear hold. And I couldn't even celebrate there.
And that was right there. I'm down in that corner right,
I couldn't even celebrate. And my cousin's going nuts. And
then he's like, is there a flag? Is there a flag?
And I'm like, I'm looking for one because that's how
conditioned I am. I've said this before many times on
the show. It's like I can't get happy about anything
that's going on because I think it's going to get

(24:01):
overturned or turned back. That was the nice little Caleb
Johnson r. I was like, finally got a run. I
think he could use a little more volume, and he's
gonna be a volume runner. I think he's eventually going
to be okay. But I'm also going to tell you
this is what I saw. I think Caleb Johnson is
a much better between the tackles runner than he is
a perimeter runner. Yeah, that was a nice run that
he did, and it was a perimeter run, but it

(24:23):
didn't start that way. But where I see, I still
maintain when you put him out on a toss and.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
A sweep, he looks slow.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yes, when he can just go straight downhill, there is
a lot more burst that appears there. So you know,
they just got to figure out how to use the guy.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, yeah, and those plays. That was one of the
things missed. I want to talk about one morementium shifter
and individual performances before maybe we throw in a few
other things here throughout the game, because at first, you know,
you're like, oh, they might still it might still be
struggling with the Bengals here. He can't give this one up,
you know what I mean? Six and four is a

(25:00):
lot different than five and five with the Ravens nipping
at your heels and Joe Burrow activated in the twenty
one day window. But let's talk about another guy. I
was talking about Warren the week before and he really
gets everybody's gets the motor reven right. Darnell Washington. Yeahuss,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Talk about guys who sweep guys away, roll over them,
knock them.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Into next week.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
He is he is desperately trying to get a Vance
McDonald type stiff arm that can just be posterized.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
He just wants it so bad. I can feel it. Yeah, yeah,
I have more than one image. It was just it
wasn't even like the very first stiff arm was impressive
as it was. Right. He then trucks the next guy
and at the very end of it, I think was
Cam Taylor brid who ends up getting hurt by the
end of this game. It wasn't specifically from this play,

(25:58):
but he goes to get out in front thinking that
he's gonna sweep or wash Darnell Washington to the sideline
like these wide receivers who don't want to take contact.
That's not how this guy plays football. And he's like, no, no,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I mean we used to laugh
about Derreck Henry being a man amongst boys. Dar'nald Washington's

(26:20):
like a giant. He's like something like an ogre or
something that's out of fantasy, not out of reality. You
know what I mean? You know what he looked like.
He looked like Jerome Bettis. I mean we we took
Jerome Bettis for granted because he used to break ten
much taller and bigger version of Jerome Bettis. Like, you know,
Jerome would be Darnell Junior in this case, So he

(26:41):
doesn't he doesn't have Bettis's burst. But yes, I need
the flex seal guy to say, but wait, that's not
all it goes and hurtles somebody. I'm just gonna tell
you right now, I want him to stop doing that. Yeah, yeah,
please please don't do that. Please don't do that anymore.
I know you can't get hurt. I don't want you

(27:02):
to do that anymore. Please stop hurtling. You know, the
Steelers I thought were in a little bit of a
pickle at halftime. I wasn't sure what team we were watching.
And so it's a ten to it's a ten to
six game, right, Let me tell you, because I told
you this, I missed the first drive right because I
was I was bringing my wife back from she had

(27:22):
to go get some stuff for Thanksgiving for a food
drive or something at her work, and so.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
We missed the first drive. I listened to it, but
I couldn't see it right. And as I said to you,
I said, I missed the entire first drive, and all
I've seen for the remainder of the first half is
pure trash. The offense simply looked like ass and it was.
That's because that's what it was. Other than that first drive.

(27:48):
If you didn't see that drive and you watched the
first half of this game, you'd go, I don't know
how they could ever score.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
They look like crap.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, I'm totally with you. Eight plays and that was
the good. I mean, take the ball to start, eight play,
seventy eight yards, score, go up seven points. Boswell, they
got stuck in the mud. Boswell kicks a twenty five
yarder in the second quarter and you don't have any
other scoring. It's ten to six at halftime. Bengals come
out and have the ball. I mean, they were fortunate

(28:17):
enough they were able to score with the you know,
the there was let me see what the series of
possession was here. I was trying to remember they had
forced they had forced the punt and actually got the
ball back and were able to chew just enough clock
towards the end. I think this was one of the
ones where Tomlin had to burn that time out where
he was shrugging. That's where I recall specifically because it's like, well, great,

(28:40):
now they have less options because they took like a
little screen pass or an out or something like the
Kindeck game, like why would you run that play? You
run that play over to the sideline, and it just
wasn't It wasn't the most efficient play for the situation.
You just settled for the field goal when you just
had three straight drives where you punted. So did since
you're like you're leaving this this team with this terrible

(29:03):
defense in the game. And Aaron Rodgers finishes that half.
Let's see here nine to fifteen sixty for one and
sixteen yards in a touchdown. It's still a decent quarterback rating.
But there were plays that were left on the field.
He took a set to take the take the first
drive out of it, and it looks like it's much worse. Yeah,
it's much worse. It's at least half that. Not all

(29:24):
of that was air yards on the first drive, of course,
but you know, he looked like dare I say, Russell
Wilson or just a Filthy was seeing ghosts and he
was standing back there and I'm like, something is wrong.
And then you get the scoreboard comes up right after
the Bengals come out start the second half. They they

(29:45):
have seven plays for fifty one yards, but the defense
holds them to a field goal. And it's like, okay,
good defense holds to a field goal, all right, we'll
take that. And it says Aaron Rodgers questionable the return,
and everybody's just like huh. Now in at quarterback number two,
Mason Rudolph, to which I will credit the hometown crowd,

(30:06):
there was a very nominal applause, excitement and buzz that
was like yay, it's Mason. Yay, let's go Mason, come on,
let's do this, Mason. You could. I feel good for
that guy. I feel happy for him, you know what
I mean. It's like he took a law. It took
a long time to earn that kind of respect. This
his first true action back because he was with Tennessee

(30:28):
last year before he had the little small, uh you know,
miracle run at the end where they fire Matt Canada
and they rip off three wins and end up in
the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
And.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
He looked the part he was changing calls at the line.
They were he said, to the credit of Arthur Smith,
that they incorporated some of the plays that he prefers.
He credited his teammates. But Rudolph and I'm not sure
I want to start a quarterback controversy just yet. It's
a half of football against the worst team, the worst
defense in the NFL. But he was seeing, he was

(31:00):
the plays. He was taking everything that Cincinnati was given him,
and they were giving him a lot. Twelve to sixteen
seventy five percent completed one hundred and twenty seven yards
a touchdown. That's one extra attempt more than Rogers. He
got a little more extra yards to TD at a
higher completion percentage, so he was able to at least
maintain what Aaron was doing, and Aaron had done in
that first drive. I wish you would have gotten an

(31:21):
extra touchdown. There was everybody's everybody thought that Pat Friarmuth
was going to be the killer in this game. You
and I had discussed that also, right and Pat Friarmuth
was pretty much it was not existent because Darnell Washington
was out there doing his thing right. There was a
play third down, maybe friarer youth ever got off the

(31:42):
line of scrimmage, and I think that play was coming
like a little stick right up the middle. They cleared
everyone else out off to each side, and it was
definitely set up for him to be one on one
middle of the field, take it touchdown. We've actually seen
this throw from Rudolph to Friarmuth before in the past.
He got it. He was like looking over to see

(32:03):
if he was okay on the line of scrimmage. They
snapped the ball already. He never got off the line
of scrimmage one second whatever. Rudolph looked off and had
to go somewhere else and it didn't end up materializing.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, I mean there was a lot of There were
two third downplays that Mason converted that Mason didn't really convert.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I mean, he hit the right.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Guy, but you know, one was to Darnell who stretches
and gets the first down that they you know, in
most cases you'd think they aren't going to.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
I think one was to gain Well.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Both of them were very third and long, but there
was one of them where they got the first down.
But you if you were watching the broadcast, you heard
tent or Trent Green literally almost jump out of the booth.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
He was so excited because DK had gotten.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Behind the dvs and was wide open and Mason just
didn't see him. And that would have been a touchdown
for sure if he hits it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
But you just couldn't. He was like, oh my god,
then you hit the penalty. He's behind him a really
nice and straight He hit him a few times. He
was actually finding him, which was one thing he wanted,
and that was the aforementioned penalty push off that wasn't
and it was so weak, so he was finally that
was a terrible call. He was finding him. I think
the I think the thing is we always know anybody

(33:23):
who's been listening here for any period of time knows.
I've been a Mason Rudolf supporter. I always feel that
he give this guy a shot. And we don't know
what's going on with Rogers, right, but I feel at
least comfortable enough that if you have to go in
against the Chicago Bears with Mason Rudolph, I feel good
about that. I feel good about the way the offense
was in sync there versus even I wouldn't want to

(33:44):
trot Rogers back out there, hurt necessarily, and we don't
know how long Rogers has been hurt. Remember that speculation, But.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Speculation is a is a fracture in his non throwing Yeah,
maybe not not broken, but a fractured bone.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
And that's a carryover from back before the Colts game. Yeah,
And I worry about that for another reason too, Brian,
because if he has like an undisclosed injury, and we
saw it was that the Ravens that just forfeited a
pretty hefty fine and a draft pick for Lamar Jackson
Shenanigans and how they reported his injury. So I'm hoping
that's not the case. Because some folks were talking about

(34:19):
that and they came out the Colts game. He left
some plays on the field and he said we had
to play better, and you're like, yeah, yeah, they could
have done better, but you know they beat the Colts.
Colts were seven to one. Yeah great. You know, defense
looks like it really came around. Got all these turnovers
and I thought the defense looked pretty solid last week.
Gets a charger, but they couldn't move the ball anywhere.
And it's like and then you go to this first
half and you have the one drive, very scripted first

(34:41):
play of the game, just like first series of the game,
just like kind of like the Begels got to do too.
You have what's on in your game script and then
it works, and now you've got to adjust, and now
you've got to have some variety. He might have those
first ten or fifteen plays already kind of there, and
now you've got to figure it out from there. So
it's like always win, like that first drive and you're like,

(35:01):
well they thought that wrong, or okay, the other team
got that right. Let's see if they could keep this going.
And the Rogers did not keep it going from there.
So I kind of worry about I worry about a
few things with him right now, because he was more
We were talking about, hey, should he come back next
year as a veteran guy. He's been better than what
we expected, and now all of a sudden the things

(35:21):
that we were leary are kind of against bringing him
in have started to surface now. And maybe I don't
know if that's attributed to Andrey, if that's attributed to
you know, just age and get in. Playing so many
games into the season Chicago Bears game even on the
road looks like a winnable one. I'm looking on the
horizon and it's like he either needs to be healthier,

(35:42):
he just needs to go on the bench because the
Buffalo Bills, she just has. Josh Allen scored three touchdowns
on the ground and three in the air in that
win over team.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Let me let me talk about this a little bit. Yeah,
I believe very strongly that you are underestimating the Bears.
Do I think it's a winnable game?

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Do. I think they've beaten an opponent that has more
than three wins. No, but they have won a whole
bunch of games in a row and they and again
it's one of those they've seem to find a way
to win games. So, you know, being on the road
in Chicago not always a very friendly spot for the
Steelers It's sort of like Philadelphia and that they don't

(36:19):
win there very often. I think this is a much
tougher game than you're making it sound like. But be
that as it may. Flip that script, the Bills, if
you control dog Josh Allen, are beatable. If you let
Josh Allen do what you want, Yeah, if you let
Josh Allen go crazy. But you know, if they could

(36:40):
take and focus on Josh Allen and prevent him from
doing Josh Allen type things, then the Bills are very
beatable because their defense is.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Not that good.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I mean, Caleb Williams, he hasn't turned the ball over
a lot, and we'll get into that when we get
into the pregame thing, but that's kind of where I'm
headed with this. He doesn't complete a lot of his passes,
but he is. He's very difficult, a very difficult guy
to wrap up. He could run around like with the
best of them, you know, So it doesn't always mean
the best of anything. We see justin fields run around

(37:12):
and then just end up taking a sack. So Williams
has done a little bit better with those negative plays
this year. There isn't it's the Bear. The Bear's defense
has been pretty solid and depending on who's healthy and
who's not there. Uh. There's also a pair of tight
ends in Chicago that'll probably give the Steelers more fits
than not, especially middle of the field. But I think

(37:33):
we've seen them tighten up some of these things, Brian,
even even just the third down defense, and the Bengals
end up seven for fifteen. I think in the first half, Man,
I closed it. Where's it at? In the first half,
they had them pretty sewn up, I believe, let's see,
well four seven, so they were actually better. They did

(37:54):
better in the second half. Actually, wow, that's kind of surprising.
I thought they had mover, had their way less, had
their way more in the first half. Anyways, there's the
Steelers who had bad third down efficiency in the first
half two of seven so and they got a couple
of those roughing the passers going their way and that
was about the only momentum that they had. Finally got
the ball rolling, so to speak, but a bit better
on third downs. These teams that are getting creative with

(38:17):
the toush push things, one of these days it's going
to bite somebody really bad. Almost bit the Steelers, I
mean Connor Hayward with Washington behind him. We saw Mark
Andrews take a little like spin move a little al
and iverson back out and against the Browns and run
for a touchdown, which was pretty wild. You saw the
Eagles get tagged another bad call yesterday. I don't know

(38:39):
if you saw that the Lions guy had a defender,
defensive lineman had his hand and a neutral zone and
the guard for the Eagles like put brings his hand
up to like he does like one of these the
shove or call out the guy's arm, and they called
it against the Eagles for a false start on the
touch push on a fourth and one. So some bad
stuff all the way around. You got to be care

(39:00):
with what you're doing there. But I like some of
what I was seeing with the Steelers. I mean, Chase
Brown didn't end up with one hundred yard game. He
gave up. He still gave up ninety nine yards to
him five and a half average. It was too much.
It was too much. But the personnel on the field,
they were still running like that quasi four to three,
the three inside linebackers. At times they did try the

(39:23):
three outside linebacker thing. Devin mentioned Nick herbig Man. I'll
tell you what. Alex Heighsmith snake bit and he has
a really good game. I was, you know, I was
down on him. I'm like, oh, he's always hurt. He
really needs comes lives up to you know, expectation, contract, everything.
And he's out again. And it's like Herbig is playing
his way into a bigger role. I mean he already had,

(39:46):
but now you're starting to think to yourself, this is
a guy I want to leave in I think Ramsey
and Dugger have played pretty well there, Pierre's been pretty solid,
and you got like Chase and Higgins and you kind
of bottle them up. I could I could live with
giving Chase Brown a little bit to chew off there.
I would have liked to stop a little more. But
I saw Why Black get in there. I saw Derek
Harmon get in there. I see some positive things. And

(40:07):
I know that you say, hey, this defense is really
predicated on the splash plays, but you know what, I
think that's what some of these guys are highly paid
to do is make create splash plays and make turnovers.
You got to have that in your favor. So I'm
not necessarily going to be down on that. But wow,
did we miss anything? There was a lot to take
talk about. This was exciting. Thirty four to twelve ends

(40:27):
up being the final two defensive scores. Mason keeps them
afloat and now you move on, like we said to Chicago.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah, and this is the way I'm looking at And
I remember I've said this multiple times. I want to
see a game where the defense wins without the need
for turnovers. Can I honestly say that about this game. No,
but you know they if you took the two touchdowns
that the defense scored off of that, it's still twenty
to twelve, right, that's still a victory. But with the

(40:58):
problem is you can't tell for sure what those two
drives would have turned into.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
I was encouraged. I'm encouraged by.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
The way the defense has actually played the last three weeks.
They are consistently getting a little better, a little more
synchronous with each other, a little more on top of things,
playing a little more freely. Do they make mistakes, Yeah,
they still make mistakes. Can they make up for them?

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Is TJ doing TJ things?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I was watching that quite a fit. He's pretty close.
He's knocking on the door a lot.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
He is getting close, but you know he's not there,
and it's harder to get somebody like Joe Flacco. Joe
Flacco has been around long enough to feel that pressure.
Unless it's a free runner who he doesn't see, it's
going to be hard to get to him before he
gets rid of the ball. Yes, and that was the case,
smart player, So you know it's tougher task against a

(41:57):
veteran quarterback like that. But again, you're going against an
offensive line that's not very good. There's a lot of
things that were good about this game. Here's the negative.
Our offense didn't look good against the worst defense in the.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
League until Mason came in, and even then they did.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
It's not that they look good.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
They looked adequate, right, They did the things they needed
to do, but they got a couple of key assists
or you know, types of conversions that you don't anticipate
getting consistently. So do I want to call them lucky? No,
they definitely, I said this to you. Then they looked
like they had a little bit of a spark when
Mason came in, more so than they did when Aaron

(42:39):
was playing. I don't know that that's a knock on
Aaron Rodgers at all. It may just be the team
lifting Mason up and saying, hey, we got you, bud.
But they looked a little more energetic. The offensive line
seemed to be a little more on top of things.
Mason had way more time to throw a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah he did, man oh man. The offensive line was
looking good, and even with just five of them at times.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
But that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
They didn't look good in the first half, and I
think it's Rogers. I'm telling you, Rogers has been getting
the yips, he's been getting the happy feet a little bits.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
But the pockets were collapsing. Mason was standing back there
with room right. The pockets were collapsing on air.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Part of that is, you know. Part of that is
is when you have the time of possession finally you
know what I mean, and you actually wear down the
other defense your own.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
But that goes with my argument that I don't know
how good the offensive line actually is.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Somebody in the comments of the last show put in
there and it is like, oh.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Win, win, win, win for all these I don't.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I just don't see it that way.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I don't know that I see any of them as losses.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
But you know, Zach Frasier, I think is a win
because they were defending the offensive line, coach, I think
in that comment, I don't see it that way.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I don't look at McCormick as a win for sure.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I don't know that I look at Spencer and and
Anderson as a win for sure, or Isaac sam Olu
or fought Now or Roder Jones. I don't know that
I guarantee that any of them are wins at this point.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I don't know. Man, they've certainly come along now, they're
still young. I Meantano is still young. I still technically
put them in a category of almost first played first
year players, even though they've been on a team longer
than first year because you moved Jones to a new
spot and Fatan, who you know, didn't missed almost all
of last year, seeing parts of one game against Denver
in like two or three. So uh. But I've been

(44:31):
I've been encouraged, is to say the least, because I know,
I know these are building blocks. I don't expect these
guys to come out the gates, you know, and win
the Kentucky Derby, like if they were a oars race.
This is a this is a marathon. This is you know,
pick your battles and you win the overall war. That
Alan Fanicas of the world just didn't jump in out

(44:51):
there pretty much. Even Dave Dicastro was hurt his first
year as a rookie and King took him out. Yeah,
a little, a little, hey pounc it pounds. He is
like one major exception to that rule, and he was
a guy taken in the first round for a reason,
even though he was a later first round pick, I guess,
but he's gonna be a Hall of Famer, you know

(45:12):
what I mean. But they're very much exceptions of the rule.
I think Zach Frasier is definitely trending. He's trending higher
than everybody else. He got thrown in there a little
bit sooner in some cases too. So the other guys,
I don't want to say I'm down on them.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Yeah, right, I have to sit down on the offensive line,
But I'm I here's my concerns. This is a team
that wants to play bullyball. They want to run the ball,
they want to move guys off the line, and more
often than not, they don't.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
There are holes at times, but more often than not,
they are not getting movement off that line of scrimmage
and you're getting a yard or you're getting letting people
get into the backfield and you're getting lost plays. So
I'm not I'm not down on them. I absolutely expected
to have growing pains. I just don't know that I
think the coaching is helping them because I just I'm

(46:01):
not thrilled with what I see, But as you said,
they're young, give them time. This is the first year
that they're all playing together on any consistent level. We'll see,
We'll see how it all plays out. Do I think
they have improved? Maybe maybe, I'm not even sure i'd say.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
That I think they have. I think it's funny that
you brought up the thing with coaching Pat Meyer. I
was thinking about some people that were on the hot seat,
particularly if they would have lost this game going into
the future. And I think, like just the play calling aspect,
if he isn't a scapegoat Tarol Austin for examples one

(46:42):
traditionally again his defensive given up gobs of yards. The
Steelers were still like one of the worst, if not
the worst pass defense in the NFL right neck connect
with the Bengals heading into this game. So but for me,
you know, this was a big one. They needed this
one in the AFC North, so they had this one
in the overall standings. And this one also is a

(47:02):
gut punch for a Bengals team that finds themselves in
the same position they were last year where they had
that slow start and they are now three and seven. Yeah,
I believe that three and seven, Yeah, and the Steelers
are six and four and just seven losses. They would
have to win every single game going forward, and I
mean they've still got some divisional games and stuff too,

(47:24):
where they're just that doesn't look likely. For the Cincinnati Bengals,
they drop and they drop one more loss, they're probably
out of the picture completely.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I think mathematically they still have a chance, but realistically
they don't know. I mean, there's a big question of
whether it's even worth worth bringing Drew Burrow back. Do
you do you go, you know what, let's just let's
just cave the year we stink. Why should we jeopardize
our top ten pick at this point? You know, this
is that's the way that they got this offense put

(47:53):
together was Joe Burrow gets hurt and so they get
Jamar Chase.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
It's like, is there any They're just one of those scenarios.
If they want to improve their defense, Hey, keep this
because you're gonna be able to draft a high edge
rusher or a cornerback or something. I honestly think the
right move for them is to not even bother because
what if he gets hurt again?

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, they were trying to stay afloat with Flacco, you
know what I mean, And then you got the Browns.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I think it's just over now. It's just over now.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
And then with the Browns, Chador ended up out there.
I feel bad for him in one way only because
it's like, this is the tale of having two different
types of quarterbacks. Where you have a Mason Rudolph, Yeah,
clearly has some experience in the league, but could come
always been able to come in cold and still maintain
a certain you know, standard, and then Shador, who's completely inexperience,

(48:42):
has never played before, and it's like, well, come on, guy,
let's go. And it just was not a good showing
for him. And you know, brown shows that game. The
Browns showed that Baltimore is totally beatable, right, so they
were all over Lamar Jackson's and they gave up a
big player to the one to Flowers the final touchdown

(49:04):
that they got completely tricked on with the Andrews rolling
out on the supposed Tush push. But Cleveland's kind of
into full rear view. I just wanted to throw out there,
like the whole thing with Kansas City, it's going on
and how They've lost all their one score games this
year versus winning almost all but maybe one of them
last season, and the major difference that makes towards championship aspirations.

(49:25):
They're behind Denver. Now. Now you've got Kansas City in
a wildcard situation. Right, You've got the Buffalo Bills still
in a wildcard situation, and the Colts are leading the
South with the Jaguars there. So you look at right
now where you've got the Steelers and the Ravens. There's
only three wildcard teams out of the four divisions. Kansas
City's missing a tiebreaker against a lot of those teams.

(49:46):
You maintain a better record, you could get into the
postseason more than likely. But for Cincinnati, there's not gonna
be two teams coming out of the North. It's just
mathematically improbable this season like it would have been in
past seasons where the South was just completely bad, the
AFC East was completely bad, and you know you can
pull a team from one of the other two that

(50:07):
are left standing.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I think that it'll be it's gonna be well. I mean,
the Jaguars are coming on. Obviously, they dismantled the Chargers.
What's their record, right now I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
I pull it up in a second and I was like,
you know, that was also like a byproduct of having
played the Steelers. Yeah, you come out of that Steelers
game and then you go on the road, you go
over to the East Coast and play in Florida. The
Jibtis are six and four. They have the same record
as the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Six and four, same records as Steelers.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Cher's the thing I'm you know, at the beginning of
the season, people are talking about the fact that there
may be three teams coming out of the North, right,
the champion and two of the wild card spots.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I don't think you get out of the North unless
you win the division. I think that's very likely at
this point. Well, we forgot about the Chargers at seven
and four too, Yeah, and then he had an undefeated
record in their division.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
So that's gonna be I think that's what that's what
It's good. Those two Raven games are going to be played. Specifically,
there's a chance, right, I mean, Stills have to take
care of a business against the Bears. You know, if
they drop the Bills game, they drop the Bills game.
But they're gonna have to at least minimally split with

(51:18):
the Ravens and win all of their other expected win games.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I can see them realistically, you know, getting to a
position where you're tied and the game at the end
of the year is for the division.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, and maybe it will be. Isn't going to be
in the playoffs? Sday Sunday night football? You I really
don't want it to be a Saturday night game. I
don't either. I don't either, you know, I've told.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
People this over and over again. All I really want,
you know what I want for Christmas?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I just want a damn home playoff game, That's all
I want.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I just want to be able to go to a
damn home playoff game just once.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Then I can die, well, no, no, please, don't do
that on us, Brian on that note, and I'm looking
to like tie up the show. And then it's like
here and Brian's just like well, and then I could
just go We'll miss you, buddy, don't go anywhere. Maybe
you know what now doing that, but yeah, don't you
want to go see more than one home playoff game
and maybe an to see multiple home playoff games and

(52:21):
maybe a Super Bowl? But still, well, I don't know
about a home super Bowl, but there will be an
NFL Draft and college game Day being there. They did
a good job on the field, by the way, from
that Pit and Order Dame game, it was trashed and
it looked immaculate yesterday. I don't know what they did.
So all the people we were talking about and complaining
about with the field and DK slipped on one of
those too. Rudolph had a nice old pack a couple

(52:46):
so there was still some traction. But I think it
was much better than the really bad game. There was
rain two overnight and whatnot. Like I said, the weather
was kind of goofy, and then the ground got hard
too because it was cold. It was windy all this
and that. Steelers looking ahead now after this victory thirty
four to twelve over the Cincinnati Bengals, improved the six
and four, still first in the AFC North, looking ahead

(53:08):
to a trip to Chicago to face the Bears on Sunday.
We'll be back with the pregame show later this week.
We'll see if they can keep it going. Now two
and one in the division with a one game lead
over the Baltimore Ravens. Steelers are also five to two
in the AFC, whereas the Ravens are three and three,
so that's going to come into play as well. So
as long as they take care of their own business,

(53:30):
the Steelers that is, we shouldn't have to worry about
all these other scenarios. So Brian, thanks for joining me
once again, my friend. Always happy to be here, Always
happy to be here. Folks, don't forget the like, comment
and subscribe, follow us on social media. We've been putting
out some other really cool stuff too. So and then

(53:50):
Brian's got that's kind of creepy, dude, you're going to
be in an in visilian commercial like Patrick Mahomes I got.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
I got to prepare myself, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I don't want I don't want when I do spit
on someone, I don't want to be rude about it
and have it be disgusting.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I'd like to have nice, clean, fresh breath when it's
talk there. We didn't really bring this up, but aside
from a fine, he should get a game suspension for that.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
He should be absolutely be minimally suspended for a game.
I mean there's precedence. Jalen Carter got, didn't you know,
for a game? So he missed that entire game already
and that's the suspension, correct, right, But he absolutely should
lose a game.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
You know, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Like to me, at this point, it doesn't really matter.
I don't really care what they do to Chase because
we don't have to play them anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I don't think there. I think they're a footnote to
the division at this point. Yeah, you know, it doesn't
matter on them anymore. But you know what, I don't
want him to get away. He got away with a
suspension he got.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Away with and at the price tag he's making per game,
that's a very expensive fine.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yes sir, thattely Well, folks, that'll do it for us.
Until next time. My name's Joe losing my voice and
my good buddy colleague of poel Brian And as always,
we close out this show. We're happy. It is victory Monday.
Enjoy it. We'll see again later this week. Until next time.
Encourage everyone out there to be safety good and we'll

(55:19):
catch you later. We would like it. Thank you for listening,
and remind our listeners to follow us on social.

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