Steelers Stun Everyone with Statement Win Over AFC-Leading Colts

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Underground. The steel City Underground, the black
and gold standard for Pittsburgh Steelers coverage. Now here's your hose.
Joe Kuzma and Brian E. Rose.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of the steel
City Underground podcast. My name is Joe Kuzma. I'm joined
here by one mister Brian E.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Roach. Brian the Bobblehead, the bubble Head, the brainless Bobblehead
predicted victory Monday. How are you doing, my friend? All
hail the Bobblehead. Yeah, well, you looks like you were
eating there, but you don't want I don't know what

(00:49):
that means. We should all be eating because we should
be excited the best team. I'm let me just tell you,
I'm not excited. I'm not excited yet.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well I understand, but you got to take them as
they come. So I'll enjoy this.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
One happy, and I enjoyed the victory. I'll enjoy this
one and I'm happy they won. But I've seen this
movie before.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, I'm temper. The expectations right, I need more coffee.
I just have not had enough. There was so much
adrenaline this game. You had the best team in football
coming to Pittsburgh basically maybe playing the worst defense.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Wait wait, wait, let's restate that we had the best
team with the best.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Record in football seven to one. Yes, it's just fine
because that's what we said. But even in saying that
they were averaging thirty five points per game, we said, well,
look who they played. But you still couldn't even make
that argument because the Steelers, well, scoring more points than
they have in recent years, have been giving up just
as many points.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I think it was. Matt Williamson on Steelers Nation
Radio had a great quote for this, and I was like, man,
I wish I had thought of this. I got a
tribute to him. He had said in recent years it
would be a race to twenty points, and in this
season it's a race to thirty. But I have to say,
even listening to folks on the post game, Mike Pursuda

(02:13):
and Charlie Batch, you do a great job with that,
like they were just making fun of everything. I guess
Charlie Batch was the only one who said that. He
optimistically said that he thought that the Steelers could win
this game, and he thought so just based on the
fact that the Colts hadn't played on grass all year,
maybe it might slow them down. And I said, man,
they've got so much going against them. You've got you

(02:35):
moving Jalen Ramsey over because everything we talked about on
the pregame too went out the window. You had Jabrill
Peppers be it ruled out. Then you had Chuck Clark
get called out. And incidentally, and we've said this maybe
earlier in the season when the Ramsey trade was made
and then there was a new contract and he's got
all this money, and he's got all these years tacked on,
and you're like, this guy's going to be approaching and

(02:56):
you know in his thirties he's going to play as
a corner or a nicol this time, or going to
transition to play as a safety. I think we have
that answer now, man. I mean it wasn't even really tested,
which is kind of crazy to think about when that's
not where he's naturally been playing. Kyle Dugger, who joined
the team and was with the team maybe four days

(03:16):
total this week, got a game ball in the locker
room for his contributions the big plays. They weren't necessarily
there for the Colts like they had been, and we
had talked about one thing we did. Maybe nail Or
said that, you know, show us something and if they
could make the Colts one dimensional, shut down Jonathan Taylor

(03:37):
and put it all in Daniel Jones's hands, maybe, just
maybe the Steelers might have.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Had a chance.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
It didn't really look that way from the start, but
that's the way it ended up finishing. Despite a twenty
seven to twenty score, this game wasn't as close as
that final score reflects for the most part.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, my problem with this game is when you get
six turnovers, you I mean, Aaron Rodgers said this in
the postgame press conference and I've said it during the game.
When you get six turnovers, you want to be smoking
the crap out of that other team. You should not
be hanging on by your fingernails at the end of

(04:15):
the game, especially when it's a six to one ratio
in turnovers. So I know I've said this before, I'll
continue to say it. They say it themselves now. This
defense operates at a high level when they can turn
the ball over. When they when they turn the ball over,
you get games that are similar to the Vikings game

(04:35):
and to this Colts game. When they don't turn the
ball over, you get games like the Bengals game and
the Green Bay Packers game, and until I can see
them play a truly solid defensive game without turnovers, I
don't think anything's really changed.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
You had the Colts, I think w had had the
most fourth down plays or they've gone for it the
most on fourth out, very aggressive team, even going for
it on the fake. Well, you know what I said,
you know what I text you. I'm not going to
repeat it because it's definitely not family friendly.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, but I told him that, you know that that
the call that changed Shangstock and made to go for
fourth down like on their thirty or on their own
twenty or something ridiculous, you know, fourth and one. He's like, no,
we our fourth and whatever it was, we're going to
go for it here. When you just assumed they would punt,
they go for it. And I'm like, well, that's just
like smacking them in the face with you know, something inappropriate. Yeah,

(05:39):
very very inappropriate. It's maybe between one's legs.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
He's just saying, you know, he has owned Mike Tomlin
though we were said he was two and oh. I know,
two and oh doesn't seem like much. But when you're
just throwing Joe Flacco out there, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Even know who else.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's not like the Colts have had these stellar teams
and they've been playing each other a lot as of late.
But I do have some respect for the Colds. I
thought that front at their defensive front was amazing. The
defensive line they played really well. The Steelers offensive line
for the most part, held up in the situations where
they needed to. We'll talk a little bit, you know,
I may as well bring that up too. I'm kind

(06:14):
of wondering what the status of Isaac say Mala was.
We knew he had a pectorial. I was actually stunned
that he was starting and he was playing.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, I saw him out there.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I was like, wait, what So I was expected to
see Spencer Anderson and Spencer Anderson's lining up out like
as a tight end, and I was scratching my head
and all of a sudden, you know, you could see
the flowing locks and everything. I don't know if he
was injured injured. I texted you this too, because he
was just standing on the sideline, just kind of hanging out.
I think it was like one of those you've been

(06:44):
playing at less than one hundred percent. Maybe we're going
to pull you and give you a little opportunity for
rest because we're up what was that at one point
seventeen points? So I'm hoping that was the situation there
this game. This game didn't start necessarily pretty. I absolutely hate,

(07:05):
you know, I abhor getting the ball first and they
and they won the toss and Steelers elect to receive,
and I'm just like, do the face palm thing, like
you know, Patrick Stewart.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
That decision in and of itself tells you the level
of confidence that they had in that defense to stop
the Colts. They can tell you all along, Oh yeah,
we thought it was going to be different. We knew
were bs. They didn't. They weren't confident that they could
stop that team, and it showed. That's part of that decision.

(07:37):
And I will I will die on that hill.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh you don't have to die on it. I think
we were texting each other back and forth. I think
I'm actually going to go through the game books so
I don't miss anything pertinent to how everything unfolded from
you know, some of the things kind of muddle together
as they usually do the next day, And of course
I know on a few of these, you're going to
have the benefit of having seen it on TV where
I haven't watched the film yet, and in stadium you're

(08:01):
kind of like, eh, you know what I mean, And
there's a few of those. But that's exactly what it was.
It was Spencer Anderson came in on the second down
or whatever. You had John new Smith on the very
first play miss the ball a very big opportunity to
fly outside.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
I mean it was. It has been a tough catch catch,
but they need to I'm not even sure it was.
The first time I saw it, I was like, absolutely,
he should have had that ball. But then when I
saw the replay, I was like, Aaron was a little
off on that throw, you know, so I don't know
that he could have called it.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I was, and I was kind of wondering with Smith
and with Aaron Rodgers. We had heard something pregame. I
forgot who put it out there that they said that
you always say CBS Sports or something might have heard
his pinky yeah, pinky ringfinger Rogers poke pointing out something.
I don't know, like a couple there was. There was connections.
The timing was either off by someone that wasn't his

(08:55):
sharpest game. No, not in a Steelers' uniform, not not
not by a lung shot. They go three and out
to start this game, and you're like, well, here we
go again.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
You had the Colts just march down the field thirteen plays,
seventy nine yard touchdown, fourth down conversion, two fourth down
conversions because you've had you have the third down, the
fourth and one Jonathan Taylor for two yards, and then
the fourth and one that led to Daniel Jones right

(09:27):
up the middle, kind of kind of untouched there. They
couldn't get off the field. Like again, it's what the
Colts are doing. The Colts are doing. You're like, third
and two, they're like, yeah, if we gain a yard
where we know we're going for it. You know, they
don't go for broke necessarily on third down where Tomlin's
gonna punt the ball away. And Tomala didn't even do

(09:47):
that himself. As we'll eventually get to, you had the
the muff, the muffed punt that's.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
After essentially another three and out.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
After after three and out, Yes it wasn't even and
essentially it was Jalen Warren for three yards. You had
Jalen Warren up the middle for nothing, and then all
of a sudden, everybody's like, oh, run, run, run, and
I'm like, well, wait a second. They you know they
passed the ball on the previous series for all three uh,
and then Rogers get sacked and you're like, well, they're
not going to hold up. That was a lot too.
Where we talked about h Weightman with the fifty six

(10:20):
yard punt. He was booming some of them the other
throughout the day. I think there might have been one
that was just like really like a high punt. I
think a lot of this was strategic. It was by design,
as will as I want to get to with the
awkward Boswell kick that went.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Out that was later.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
It wasn't which no one in a stadium choice, No
one in the stadium knew which, So let me come
back to that. As we go, blow blah, blow through this,
do you have the buff? And then Rogers gets John
new Smith involved DK Metcalf, which might have been his
only catch in this game.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
I do believe. I think he had two catches for
six yards.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
It was yeah, you're absolutely right right on the money,
four tar target's ball. It's not like they didn't look
for him. They were actually using some of the same
concepts that had been used against them the last two weeks.
They were stacking some receivers in this case tight ends.
We'll just use their names interchangeably, and kind of doing
a little bubble thing even with a few of the

(11:18):
screens that they had built in probably from the you know,
playing Parsons stuff like that over the previous games too,
but Eccles had covered them.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Uff.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
You have a few plays here they went for Darnel
Washington twice. One just a difficult catch the day he
didn't come down with and then the one where they
were completely out of sync and we saw that happen
more than once where he just didn't turn around for
a ball that Kenneth Gainwell did this as well. Washington
know what a monster of a game for him. He's
really showing out in this offense for catches for forty

(11:52):
three yards, definitely more usage than he had used had
been using. And they weren't bringing him down either. He
is very different. Call it the tackle.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
So was it last game or was it this game
where he did he went down hard on one low?
I think it was this game. I thought, oh god,
he's going to drop the football. It was definitely thought
he was going to be hurt because that was I'm like,
why isn't there a low tackle flag on that? Because
I mean that was right at the knees.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, And once again the officiating better but not crisp,
not great by any means.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
In some cases, well, it's never great. I've never seen
a greatly officiated game. I'm telling you Carla Jorpro.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
There is there's a scarlet letter on Joey Porter Junior
because I feel like there was a serious letter.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
He could get handsy.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
But there was one play where it felt like he
was just stepping in front of the ball and he
got kind of caught up with the guy.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
And they were like boom.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
And he had every right to make that play as
the other guy would, but it's a flat.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
That was a very weak flag. It was. And you know,
because I tell you, we talk about this during the
game all the time, I will tell you stop bitching
about the penalty because it was legit.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
That one wasn't. Well, well, thank you, my friend. And
he comes right back around and almost gets a pick,
went right in his bread basket. Same kind of play
they were going for. The mental field, so they were trying.
I kind of wonder if there was a little bait
and switch here, and I know that Mike Tomlin had
That's not what I want because that's like a little
credit card sheet or something there. But you know, I

(13:25):
got like one of these posted and no pay. He
had something like this in his hand, like a little
bit bigger. I don't know if he was calling some
plays or he has had a little more input with
the defense this game, but I certainly saw him walking
around with something more than what he usually does. And
it started with the same crap all over again, a
quick out, a quick slant, and then all of a sudden,

(13:48):
they were starting to bring somebody else over there, and
whether it was like an Alex Highsmith, a Nick herbig
Patrick Queen, they were bringing an extra body over into
the general area that was jumping into these lanes. And
that's how this became a little more opportunistic. They also
got a little more creative. I think they're playing Daniel Jones,

(14:09):
who is definitely capable of running the football as well
as you know while he throws it. I think Jones
was having trouble after his first read. I think he
was struggling pretty hard if he couldn't find it. And
when that when they stack those two guys and it's
like throw to the one that's open, and you have,
you know, essentially a double team or someone else in

(14:29):
the area, and that throw wasn't there. The pass rush
was getting there, and the pass rush was also getting
there because they were using a platoon of three outside
linebackers three inside linebackers. Malik Harrison, who I have not
had the highest of opinions of, had a nice game.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I was very happy with how he played. They they
they set this a lot, both on the announcing as
well as in the in the postgame, the defensive players
mentioned this constantly. They they simplified things. They played a
much a much more zone oriented defense than they had
been playing. They've been playing a lot of man coverage

(15:09):
and you know, backs away and it hadn't been working.
They changed it to his own coverage. They simplified things.
They played much closer to a four to three than
what they have been playing. You know, h it was
they changed things up and the Colts did not adjust
to it, which you know, thank goodness. You know, as

(15:32):
you said, it didn't.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Start off well, No, but no points after the muff punt,
which is I wanted to get back to your original point.
Prov The guy's sitting next to me, and you know,
one of the guys, he's had season tickets forever, going
back to three Rivers, and his son, who was closer
my age, is a little younger than me, and he
looks at me and goes, hey, when does Tomalin ever

(15:56):
go for it like this on fourth down? I said,
he does not trust his defense. That's exactly what I
told them, And I may have even sent that your
way as we're talking too. So you know, you had
the two punts and then you had to turnover on downs,
and that was the way the first quarter ended. And
you're like, well, at least the Colts are keeping us

(16:17):
in this game because they're playing they're playing bad. But
if they figured this out, this is going to look
like the same, you know, the end of the Green
Bay game, the way the Cincinnati game ended, and they
didn't necessarily figure it out. The Steelers would go on
to score three times in the second quarter. They go
in the half seventeen to seven. Just a little bit

(16:39):
of the highlights from those possessions. They forced a fumble,
they got a pick and they forced Indianapolis to punt.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Indy would get the ball to start because that actually
that's TJ. Watt does, did a TJ. Watt thing, and
that play turned the game completely around. That is that
is the key point of the game in my opinion,
that fumble and recovery, because look, it's not that they
weren't moving, the Colts were moving. This is an important

(17:11):
step there, because the Colts are moving the ball and
that stops them dead in their tracks. Right, They're close
enough and able to go ahead, you know, and get
the score, which was nice, But that is the key
play that turned the entire game around.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, and not only that, it's because the Colts have
been running. They had had a fourteen plays drive up
to that point, just shipping away and all of a sudden,
you're starting to think to yourself, geez, this this Dealer's
defense is going to get tired. They're going to get
run down. And the offense, you know, you were saying,

(17:54):
why aren't both teams? Why are both teams playing complimentary
football all the time? You know what I mean, It's
like the offense and you know they've alluded to it
in the post game and everything like that. There were
some points that were left on the board. Maybe they
should have had forty points total in this game. Jalen
warrens the first recipient with the one yard touchdown run,

(18:15):
and then Pat Fryermuth catches a ball that's he sends
this thing launching. I actually have a photo of it.
He kicks it into the stands. Afterwards. I was just like,
I'm glad there was no penalty associated with that. But
the Steelers were pretty clean penalty wise for the most
part in this game. They weren't tagged as much often

(18:36):
or frequently or anything, especially on offense. You know, the
false starts, some of the illegal shifts, illegal motions. I
know you had Calvin Austin jump on one. The end,
they had a pretty masterfull final three minutes, nice drive
of twelve plays seventy five yards. They couldn't capitalize, They
ran out of time, could not capitalize with a TD
at the end. But Chris Boswell gets a little chip

(18:59):
of a field. They go up to possession seventeen seven
to go into halftime. You're still not sure you watched
what you watched?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
The first half was like is this mirage? Is this
is this sustainable and when you look at it for
the half, I wanted to say, let's see, the Colts
were four or five. Let's see total first downs first
half summary, they had ten. Surprisingly, the Steelers had eleven.

(19:28):
The Steelers weren't leading in possession yet though, or yards
or anything like that. The Colts had out gained them
on yards. The Colts had nearly had as many offensive
plays of that.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Let's talk about that, yeah for a second. Yeah, because
most of that yardage came at garbage time, right, those
last two drives of the game, they're getting there. The
Steelers are playing a much softer defense.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, well, I was talking first half here, But overall,
you're absolutely correct.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
They did. You know a lot of their heavy yardage
game came before or after anything mattered. Yeah, you know,
they tried to they tried to really play it up
like they still got a chance, they still got it,
and I guess technically they did. Hell, the Bengals recovered
and on side kick. Oh what a game that was?

(20:14):
So what a what a mess. But for the two percenters,
we might talk about that a little bit at the end.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, I think it will. I was catching I caught
the end of that game too, So.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
What a crazy mess that was. But you know it,
one of the things I saw today that I think
is very pertinent, and I noticed it myself during the game,
is that, even as you said, if Daniel Jones had
to come off his first read, which meant those and
those are gonna be those quick slants, quick hitters. So

(20:46):
they figured out a way to make those less open,
and he wasn't willing to take those chances. And as
soon as he had to go to his second read.
It's not so much that he didn't read it did
he didn't have time the pass Swiss was getting home
in two and a half seconds. They were getting pressures heavily.
It was a much different feel. And I believe strongly

(21:10):
in this part of that is because the fact that
that first out was covered during the first drive that
wasn't generally the case. He was able to hit the
first guy that he looked for. It was not a problem.
They did a good job of bottling up Jonathan Taylor.
That was consistent throughout the game. They brought another that

(21:30):
Abdulah guy in. He didn't he you know, it wasn't like, oh,
we got it, we got the big back on the ground.
You know, their number one back and the number two
back starts to drive on him. It wasn't that kind
of a scenario like it was with Green Bay. They
did a much better job, you know, stopping the run,
and that helped make Indie one dimensional. But that's still

(21:53):
a problem for them if they don't get home right.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
And so the fault down yeah, or off the field
on the chances on third down, and then you push
kind of things, and how do you stop some of those?
You know, it just feels like, well, there we go again,
and now they have a fresh set of downs.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
That's just the point I keep trying to make. They
the difference that felt like that was a nice difference
in this game is if they can continue to do that,
stop people from hitting those quick outs right that give
up four, five, six, maybe ten or eleven twelve yards
on first down, but you know, don't put people in
second and one second in three. If they can do that,

(22:35):
maybe the pass rush looks more effective because as soon
as they have to look off the first read, there's
a chance that some of those guys are getting in
the face of the quarterback. So that's that's the good sign, right,
that's the good sign from this. You know, maybe maybe
that will be the change that catapults the defense to

(22:58):
where it needs to be. If they cannot continue that though,
you know, then we go back to the mess that
we saw in Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
There was a nice it was a nice mix of
adjustments because I see that the quarterbacks are always trying
to position Patrick Queen and try and figure out, like
you know, the inside linebackers, and when you had three
of them out there, it was a little more difficult
to do that. You didn't know who was dropping, who
was playing man, and who was dropping into his own
And I mean that now certainly part of the help
with that.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I still think Porter Man Porter. You know, he was
playing in front of his dad, and you know, he
got to pick at the end, and he said that
was for his mom and the whole talk about the
Super Bowl forty team who was there at halftime, and
you don't want to let those type of guys down.
And you've got your dad watching and attendants showed him
on the scoreboard after the pick and.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
But back to the Steelers first touchdown drive, a direct
snap to Connor Hayward on a fourth and one tush
push that involved Darnell Washington getting behind you. That's a
whole lot of meat that's come in your direction there.
You know, this isn't Da Jones leaning over Aaron Rodgers
getting in the thick of this pile. You're getting behind
you know, like Zach Fraser Sayamalo McCormick somewhere off of

(24:08):
that a gap but which I can't remember which side
they were they went off of, or if they just
plod through straightforward. But it was just a direct snap
to Connor and then I almost thought they direct snapped
at the Washington because I couldn't see Connor from my
vantage point in front of Washington. The interception comes from

(24:28):
Peyton Wilson, who also had a fantastic game. His closing
speed is pretty incredibly incredible. I'm going to add to
what you said to Brian, because Alex Pearce had a
pretty good first half. They were starting to make him
look like Jamar Chase. But Tyler Warren, the rookie tight end,
they found a way to limit him. Even though he
was getting his catches. His average in the first half
was three point seven yards. He wasn't just accumulating firstouts Yes,

(24:51):
they had a much better tackling game than they've had
in the past, so that the tight end wasn't catching
the ball and then running for fifteen yards because four
guys bounced off of it. Yeah, Jalen Ramsey, I think
was a big part of that of one of these
penalties that you were talking about where I wasn't sure
if it's a penalty or not. Later on when he

(25:12):
comes through and you said it was a defenseless player,
I mean in real time, it looked like he just
came in with the shoulder and I'm like, what are
they looking at here?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
You know what I mean? But referees will be the
referees set what I told you. Yeah, it looked bad,
it sounded bad. It would get called every time. That's
why I understand it was a legitimate hit. I understand it.
I understand I understand it. I just don't have to
agree with it, that's all. That's that's the point. See,

(25:41):
It's like I accept the fact that they're going to
make stupid calls at times because of the visuals of it. Right,
they they're going to make calls that are going to
lean towards player safety that are wrong. They're going to
do it. So it's like, you just know, if you
come in that way and you're in your hit is
towards the headneck area, whether it's with your shoulder or

(26:04):
with your helmet, they're gonna call it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
One thing I dislike at Akrosure Stadium and some people
stayed in the stands because they're giving them reasons to
stay at halftime and not go, you know, hit the
you know, hit the head and get some snacks or whatever.
And this time the Super Bowl forty team the previous game,
Brett Michaels, So I'm not used to having concerts at
halftime in Pittsburgh. I mean, you go to Atlanta every

(26:30):
break they have some type of celebrity or at least
mid tiers celebrity going out there and doing some singing, pop,
hip hop act or whatever.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
And that like Ireland. Ireland was like that too.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Ireland I could get because Ireland they're trying to create
their news this super show atmosphere. I totally understand. I
totally get that. But you know, Pittsburgh don't do that.
They don't have cheerleaders or anything, and so they have
the steel Line and they might drum a little bit
at the beginning of the game and you forget they're there.
But Steelers, you know, you worry about like nobody's in
their seats. There's that could be any crowd noise or whatever,

(27:03):
defense or just Colts are going to get the ball,
and they actually force a punt. Now it was a
rocket of a punt fifty seven yards by Sanchez. But
I haven't talked about Keyshawn Williams, and he's stepped up
and done a fantastic job as a kick returner and
a punt returner then when they didn't have Calvin Austin,
and Calvin Austin also stepping up in this game as well,
I thought played very good.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
But Williams, Williams is getting some yards. He's getting like.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
More than one of the other guys were getting. You know,
Caleb Johnson was plotting Kenneth gainwell just you know, it's
just not there for those guys to be the return guys.
And even with Austin, and I think Williams has the
vision he's eventually going to break one in my opinion,
so I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
It's been a very nice surprise that he has has
fit the role very well.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yes, I had lost my here we go my possession
tracker here. But the Steelers only have the ball once
in the third quarter, which was kind of surprised. Five
plays twenty three yards and they punt. But despite the
Colts and it was a decent you know, they ate
up about three ish minutes of game clock, so it

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wasn't a quick three and out after the defense had
to go against seven plays and eight play drives. There's
an interception that is now made by Nick Herbig coming
in swatting the ball and batting it like a volleyball
over to Jack Sawyer, the rookie corralling it. What awareness
from him? What zero awareness from Daniel Jones as to

(28:33):
what's happening to him and he's got some ball swatted.
I mean, Cam Hayward had a better game.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Watt arrived, Alex high Smith had a fantastic game. So
I can't even make the comments that I was making
previous about Wanton her Herbig should get more playing time,
but they found some ways to get him on the
field with Watt and high Smith.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Also speaking speaking of Daniel Jones's unawareness, go back and
look at the stripsack that high Smith has because that
to me, was the funniest look from Daniel Jones. The
ball goes one way, Daniel Jones goes the other way.
He has no clue where the ball's going, and he

(29:14):
just like, the ball goes that way and it's gonna
be recovered by the Steelers. And Daniel Jones runs the
other way, like where is it? It's over here, and like, no, dummy,
it's behind you. That's that's what happens when I throw
the ball with my dog, or you fake it at
least man.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
TJ smacks the ball out of his hands and it
hits the ground and in some motion of him diving
to the ground.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Too, and then he scoops the ball. It's a human.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
It's just it's I can't explain it. It's superhuman by TJ.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Watt.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Those are the things that you expect from him, and
maybe you get some folks to be a little happier.
And see, I mean a defense. You're right, you got
they they're predicated on a creating, but they got the
guys that could do these type of things. And it
was nice to see that all kind of come together
because the folks sitting next to me are like, well,
you know, after this Jack Sawyer pick and everything, and they're like,

(30:11):
what what changed? What are they doing differently? And I'm like, well,
they're changing up some of the looks, they're dropping some
guys back in zone, and they're just taking away that
first read and Jones just isn't able to get there.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I'm like, but overall, they.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Didn't change a whole hell of a lot, other than
maybe covering and tackling like it was a little better.
It wasn't perfect by any means, but it's a step
in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I want to I want to. I'm going to go
to a story that Dick Lebo told during the alumni
weekend dinner, and one of the things he kept saying
was it might not even have been Dick. It might
have been Ike Taylor that told this story. It's like,
disguise the defense right never and Ohio State do not

(30:54):
that I want to bring up college again, but Ohio
State does a great job of this right now this year.
What they look like they're in is never what they
end up in. Right The defense that they're playing at
snap is not the defense that exists, you know what
post snap, So you know, the biggest difference, I think,

(31:16):
like they did simplify things and they were going faster,
and I think it confused the Colts because I think
they were expecting the Steelers to play the same style
of defense that they had been doing, which was more
complicated trying to disguise it kind of defense. And what
I think I'm learning about this team is when they
have to think too much, they slow down. You need

(31:41):
to keep it simple, yeah, so that they can play faster,
and maybe they'll grow into that kind of we can
make one look and then change to another one, but
right now, they just need to keep it as simple
as they can and so that these guys can play
as fast as they can because they are fast. And

(32:04):
when you can do that, you can play better defense.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Jalen Warren gets his second touchdown after this drive that
started with Caleb Johnson getting a few carries. He got
like one nice little run to the outside. Darnell Washington
gets two catches on this. You didn't think Warren.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Was going to get in because he loses the yard
on the first in goal and then he ends up
in second in goal from Indianapolis too. Remember I texted
you at the time, stop running up the middle. Yeah,
you're good. At the sweep. Right, you're good at the
outside toss. That's the way that you've got that offensive
line set up. Don't stop trying to run up the middle.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, it was a nice It was a nice, nice
run by Warren. He found that space finally. And then
I told you, I'm like, oh yeah, oh mama, renegade
ends up hitting on the scoreboard rate then and there
and the very first place, Keanu Benton pretty much.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I don't know what they were watching.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
You've got this gig enormous defensive lineman rate in front
of you, and he just cuts right in and swallows
Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones is probably sore this morning.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I hope that way. I would imagine he took some he.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Took some hits and overall in this game. Let me
see on the defensive side, I got to do some math.
View five sacks total and let's see six quarterback hits
if I'm looking at this correctly, and also five tackles
for loss, three of those from Alex Highsmith so and
a bunch of passes batted down four by Joey Porter,

(33:34):
two by Peyton Wilson. I was almost sure, maybe not
bat it down, but Cam Hayward was getting his hands
on a lot of them, and he's credited for two.
He was getting his paws up there too. It was
almost like I thought Daniel Jones was taller than this
and could find his way around. But I almost don't
have a voice left. I was screaming yesterday, and with

(33:54):
good reason, So excuse me. After the fifty two yard
field goal from Agiley, who is their second kicker this year,
I forgot the guys the other guy's name that they had.
It was actually really good, and he got his knee
tore up, and I think I was against the Raiders.
Like two specialists on one on each side were lost
for the season. In that game, you're thinking, well, the

(34:15):
Steelers are gonna get the ballers about ten minutes left,
let's do something with it. And they go to do
the Yeah, lose two yards in the run and then
Jayalen Warren only a one yard run, and then the
pass to Kenneth Gainwell, and they end up with.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Not the one that really annoyed me.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
We'll get to that, yeah, forty four yard punt. But
the Steelers end up getting this ball back very quickly.
Daniel Jones finds Tyler Warren nine yards and then the
very next play he sacked. This is the shown and
aforementioned strip sacked from Alex Heismith covered by Derek Harmon,
who actually made the tackle on Warren nine yards up

(34:55):
the field on the previous play, which should be noticed.
Saw that hustle, Yeah it was I saw it. They
reminded me on Steelers Nation Radio. I needed to remember
to bring that up as well. I thought Harmon played.
Harmon's got to be out there, Harmon. Harmon is good.
Harmon is good. I'm liking it the more. Obviously he's
an experience. He could get full trick whatever be the case.

(35:16):
But he's definitely a guy who looks like a first
round pick right now with room to grow. I'm like
in why a black as well? But Steelers get the
ball back and they do have to settle for a
field goal. Here Rogers looked for Roman Wilson, he had
a short. He does get a first down with Kenneth Gainwell,
gets a short past Kelvin Austin, and then this play

(35:38):
to Kenneth Gainwell.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I don't know what the hell it was, but they
lost nine yards on it.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I may have as sent to you. I was like, man,
it looked like they were they offside? Were they in
a neutral zone? Like how did somebody get in the
backfield and cause that that much havoc? Like they almost
took the hand off themselves. They just flat out knew
what that play was. That was that your main pro
who's dramatically Yeah, inside line blitzing inside linebacker. So Indianapolis

(36:06):
using their timeouts there, trying to stay within reach as
it's twenty four to ten, but Chris Boswell, he's still
in range almost anywhere in range in that stadium. Forty
six yards makes it twenty seven to ten. And this
is where, like you said, the Steelers kind of let
off the gas a little bit defensively. I think they

(36:26):
kind of did a little offensively too. Between all of
those they had a little one bit of mistake. Yeah, right,
I thought Roman Wilson.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Has has had some nice moments in the last couple games,
right where you thought, okay, things are going the right way.
But then two steps back, in my opinion yesterday, you know, look,
when you're trying to end the game, those extra yards
are not important. Just move forward. That ridiculous attempt to

(36:56):
hurdle and lose the ball. Yes, it was just such
a huge, huge mistake.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Well, yeah, that's coming right after the nine plays seventy
six yards, the unnecessary roughness with Jalen Ramsey's thrown into
here too. They throw around all over nine plays in
just a little over two minutes, two minutes, twenty one seconds,
ten minutes, ten and a half minutes of actual game
time though, which is kind of crazy how that works out.

(37:23):
And that's because you had a break. I think you
had a break maybe in the middle here did we know?
We didn't thought maybe somebody got injured. But anyways, aside
from that, on side kick is unsuccessful and you're just like, okay,
let's finish this game now. There's four and a half
minutes left. Just as you mentioned, Rouman Wilson goes to
hurdle and just loses the ball entirely, like doing his

(37:45):
little gymnastics flip in the air or whatever. But the
Steelers are going to get it right back once again.
Jones is throwing. He gets too complete, and then he
goes and tests Joey Porter down the field, who had
been jumping routes all day long and he had seen
enough of Alec Pearce got in front of him and
took this one away. This is you know, in some

(38:06):
of the games they've had some of these opportunities where
they didn't hold onto the ball.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
So this was nice to see that.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, you always talk about like Ike Taylor would
have been a great wide receiver if he could have
caught the ball. So, yes, it was fun seeing those
guys back on the field too. Ike Taylor was out
there too as part of.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Those if you if you haven't watched the alumni dinner speech, Yeah,
I'll go back and watch the alumni because it's hilarious.
Dick Lebow is hilarious in it, and and and Ike's
pretty funny too. It was good. It was good to
see the guys and telling their little tales from that
Super Bowl run. Coach Dad wearing a gold jacket was
pretty awesome. And seeing him back.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
And Kevin Kevin Win's a Wizon hunt too. I mean,
they got like a whole slew of guys.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Now. I was actually surprised to see whizzed because you know,
I felt like when he didn't get the job and
Tomlin did, yeah, I kind of thought there was There
was a lengthy set of and there probably was, because
I don't know that he's been back that often, but
you know, felt like there might have been some hard
feelings about that. And you know, I don't remember seeing

(39:12):
wizen Hunt back any for anything else. But as I
said to you, the other thing I did notice, man,
the wide receiver room. I mean, you told me it's
because they're coaches, but the wide receiver room was dramatically
under under.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, I guess heines War played there. Heinz War represented
was what I was trying to hines Ward at Arizona State.
Antoine Randall Ell somewhere. Also is Randall l Actually maybe
he's with Tampa Bay or something. He's in the pros.
Sure it was a wide receiver coach. I didn't look
them all up. I guess one of the guys like
Larry Foot or something's actually a defensive coordinator or a

(39:48):
co defensive coordinator that had a bye week, so he
was able to also attend, so conspicuous by his absence.
Also like Troy poul Malu. So you're missing some guys,
Keith Miller. They weren't missing a few guys, and that
was noticeable. They even had them like advertised Parker on
Willie Parker doing I don't know, I don't know, but

(40:09):
will Willie was on the banner, Hines was on the banner,
Pols on the banner, you know, the alumni whatever, and
they weren't there, but Bette's was there, Big Ben was there,
the Big Snack was there. Casey Hampton. So good to
see those guys, Aaron Smith, Allen Fannicicz. Yeah, he was there,
all getting their their roses. So the Steelers need to

(40:30):
close out this game, right. You got the interception by
Porter and then you got Jalen Warren running definitely by design,
they're going to try and eat some clock, get to
the two more minute warning, which they do. Rogers was
looking deep on a third and eleven. It was second
and two and Warren had gotten in the yard third
and eleven, couldn't find whatever downfield, but he's going to
protect the football, not doing anything stupid here, and they

(40:54):
end up hunting. And he said after the game he
was looking for Austin and he fell down. Yeah, and
there was actually another spot. Guys were still slipping on
the surface a little bit, but there was one with
Austin where he got absolutely grabbed, yanked and it was
so obvious even from in the stands, and Rogers knew it.
That flag came out about as quick as could be

(41:15):
and he went in a different direction with it. And
I think that was maybe John Newsmith that got that one.
Perhaps I'm trying to remember where it was. It was
in the second half. But they declined the penalty. They
did not accept that penalty. So let's see Roger sacked.
They punt, and all the defense has to do is
just maybe continue doing the same things that they're doing.

(41:36):
They're down toke Kim Heywerck couldn't get off the field,
they hurry up, they end up spiking the ball. Too
many men on the field and then also off the
side and TJ both couldn't get off the get there either. Yeah,
Cam was all the way like fifty yards away from
where this was and he was gassed.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
He was absolutely gassed. They were both. It was.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It wasn't twelve men on the field, it was thirteen. Well,
too many men on the field. It was too a penalty.
So but you know the Colts, they're trying to make
something happen and they end up just let's take the
quick field goal. There's thirteen seconds left Steelers bring out
the hands team and DK Metcalf clutches this like a

(42:18):
grown ass man that he is and just goes to
the ground. Rogers in victory formation. Game over.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Some also some flowers to Dk Metcalf here, for.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Jalen Jones was in his face, trying to bait him
a lot, and DK just walked away, smiled. Somebody else
would come over and he kept his head.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
In this one.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
So no knucklehead kind of nonsense. The one we skimmed
over here, there was a penalty that ends up occurring,
I think after the Steelers' final score or somewhere before that,
the Boswell kick that goes out of bounce. Everybody in
the stadium there was a lot of energy in the
state one and everyone's kind of like, huh, it's penalty,

(43:03):
But it had to deal with where the ball. It's
the dynamic kickoff, I was asking, it's the fifteen yard
penalty that put them far closer to the other side.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
And so the way that the dynamic kickoff rules is
it's twenty yards from where the ball spotted. Yes, if
you kick it out of bounds, that meant this ball spotted.
He kicked from the forty five. That means it's at
the twenty five yard genius. I mean I didn't, okay,
so I know someone can tell. Danny Smith is like, yeah,
that worked. You know.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I know actually more than one person that is in
this loop of the NFL officiating. So that's why I
try and bite my tongue sometimes. And I was asking
him a little bit about that actually even this last
night and this morning, because I was like, there was
no anything you saw Smith on the field, And I'm like,
Danny Smith's on the field, I'm like, is he pissed off?
Like I don't know what's going on? That looked it

(43:57):
looked like too big of a mistake to have not
in on purpose. And I'm told later you know, that's
what they said on TV. And so I was trying
to figure out how that worked with the dynamic kickoff.
So they moved the ball and then it's wherever the
spot is from there because obviously, like you can't kick
it in the end zone, give him the ball at
like the thirty five or whatever. You don't want him

(44:17):
to have a chance at returning the football any kind
of mistake that could happen there injury. Otherwise, they're also
covering it in shorter yardage, so maybe you're not as
experienced in doing so, so you know, any kind of
mistakes could happen there. So that was absolutely brilliant. Just
put it somewhere. This goes right up to that Godwin Iguabike.

(44:40):
Remember when he grabbed the ball and we still had
this was several years ago where he had the traditional
kickoff the college still uses, and he grabbed the ball.
It was close to the sidelines, but when he did so,
he laid out a bounds first, then touched the football
to draw a flag, which that was still one of
the coolest plays I've ever seen, So some hats off
for that too. We were talking about some of the

(45:02):
safety play. I was talking about not wanting Chuck Clark
to play.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I think it was illness man in the Rams experiment.
Going forward, we're gonna have to talk about this as
they get to prepare for a Chargers team who struggled
with the Tennessee Titans this this week too.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
So speaking and speaking of struggling teams, yeah, Green Bay
loses to Carolina.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
So that's the you played the Steelers the previous week hangover, right,
Because when you come out of it. You still got
a bloody nose and they're still licking their wounds. Even
though they won, and they won decisively. Carolina is Carolina
is not a slouch though on defense, though Carolina is
not a slouch. Look, Green Bay also lost to the Browns,

(45:43):
which is another the thing is they're inconsistent there. We
got we got Jordan Love at his best. Carolina got
Jordan Love at his worst, the same way Cleveland got
your court Jordan Love at his worse. Tucker Craft also
got hurt. But we got to talk about some other
tight end. How about Colston Loveland. So you want to
talk about bad bad defenses, You want to talk about

(46:05):
bad defenses. Yeah, and cole Comett I believe was out
of that game. Also, cole Comett's been dinged. Bears are
still a little off into distance there a few weeks.
They're headed towards Thanksgiving on the Steelers schedule, but going
into Cincinnati once again had a home game, just like
the Ravens have had. It's like three straight home games,
and I think a buy build into it must be
nice for the teams that are favored to win their

(46:25):
division in the preseason. And Joe Flacco wasn't sure he
was going to play, and it was just a comedy
of errors like that. You think the Bears should have
a pretty good defense, and then they give up points
at the end, lose the on side kick, which is
unheard of. That's like winning the power Ball, and then
then the Bengals score again and go up a point.

(46:45):
But then the Bengals defense was just as bad. Catob
Williams is just running around looking like doing his best
justin fields impression sometimes, and then on the one he
kind of just rolls out a little bit, sets his feet,
throws a dark to Colston Loveland, who's in the mid
the field. Nobody seems to look at him, and the
big dude just breaks a tackle and he's gone, and

(47:05):
that's the game decider. So the Steelers find themselves back
in a better position standings wise. The Cleveland Browns were
idle this week. There's still two and six, Baltimore trails
at three and five, and now Cincinnati finds themselves third
place in the AFC North with a three and six record,
But there's still two and oh in the division. Whereas

(47:26):
the Steelers are one and one, the Ravens are one
and o and the Cleveland Browns are oh and three
against AFC North opponents. So, uh, Steelers sitting at five
and three, I'm not going to go into the Mark Cabali. Well,
if the season ended today, would they.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Be in the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Save and host the home game and you know against
whoever it might be here? Maybe Chargers, Kansas City? Who
else would be in this wild card I don't even care.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
To Indianapolis, but they they wouldn't host the game against
Indianapolis because Indianapolis would have the home.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, Indianapolis would have a home game themselves, so maybe,
like A, I was looking like the Chargers are six
and three and they get the Buffalo six and two,
So those are two of your wild card teams, So yeah,
they would have to buy. So I don't know, I
don't care. New England at seven and two. New England
at seven and two also surprising. So there's you know,

(48:16):
the Steelers have played some good teams. If you saw
what Seattle did to Washington last night as well.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, oh don't don't. Don't look at the replay of that.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Jade Daniels, No, no, no, no, But I think my
whole point is you can't necessarily look at the Steelers schedule. Yeah,
the Jets, Okay, the Browns are still gonna be tough
Jets in the Bengals. That's those are the two problems.
And the Bengals are still I mean, the Bengals are
still competing. I mean put up forty forty one, forty two.
I mean it's uh, Joe Flacco is a.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Much different quarterback than Jake Browning. You know, as old
as Flacco is, he's a much better quarterback than Jake Brownie.
You know, Jake Browning stuff. Same story. Man. They scored
forty two and still couldn't get it done. That's that's
that's so much worse than last year's defense. I'm sorry,
that's like that as bad as last year was when

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they had to score thirties and and still would lose.
You score forty and lose.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, they score forty three two, forty two, forty two,
forty seven to forty two final.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
But I mean at the same time, the Bears are
ahead by what seventeen points with two minutes left or
something like that. Forty one twenty seven was where was
the score they let the Bengals take the lead in
that time? How does that even happen? That's just insanity, dude.

(49:43):
Look at this.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
The Bengals four plays fifty five yards thirty two seconds
of game clock, six plays fifty seven yards forty nine
seconds to go up a point, back to back scores.
Just that, that's just sick. But then the the Bears
four plays seventy two yards and thirty seven seconds to
take it back. Just wild well, and even before that

(50:07):
DJ Moore scores it was how'd they get this possession?
But it was two plays fifty six yards. It's all
the more, all the more it took on the previous
drive to the Bears. That fourth quarter was on the
good stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
So los So before we depart, this is what I
want to say. This is my problem. Like I actually
think now that Joe Alt is hurt and is unlikely
to be playing in the Chargers game, and both I
think they also have a backup tackle that is hurt.
So you're probably looking at an offensive line that is

(50:41):
going to have problems, which means they're gonna want to
do the same things that Green Bay did to us.
They're going to try and do these quick passes, They're
going to try and run the ball. If we can
stop the run, make them one dimensional, and do the
things they did yesterday. The Chargers game is a much
more winnable game than you would have originally thought. And
I know we'll talk about that in the pregame, but

(51:03):
I like to look forward a little bit. So the
problem is that the Bengals game still looks troublesome because
and here's why, they can score and quick, and I
don't think we can win a shootout. Our offense is
still out of sync and missing things. I don't know

(51:24):
if there will be a move before the trade deadline
by the Steelers other than the Dugger one, but I
won't be surprised because they need to provide a little
more firepower on offense.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah yeah, and maybe a backup. I mean, it got
Marquess about as scantling on the practice squad, and perhaps
they might be looking for someone just in Kate. The
main question that's been ringing in the back of our heads,
and we talk about this all the time, what happens
if DK Metcalf were to get hurt it's your primary target,

(51:59):
then you're kind of scratching your ass, right. You got
two little guys, Rum and Wilson and Calvin Austin. The
scantling's a little bit bigger of a receiver, but he
mean he's not DK, right, So then what do you do?
And I know a lot of people are pointing at
they're trying. Miami says they're not getting rid of anybody.
They've already made enough trades with Miami this year. They
just traded one of their linebackers too. Yeah, so I

(52:20):
don't know that Jalen Wattle is available, but maybe a
Jacobe Myers with the Raiders who's been wanting.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
To think about Jacoby Wires.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
A lot of people are thinking about him as he
moved the needle a lot. I haven't looked at any
type of contracts or anything like that. I'm not one
hundred percent certain that they'll do something, but if they do,
it's probably another one of those dugger type trades. Because
the Steelers had like twelve picks, now they might have eleven.
I'm not sure what they get. Well, no, they still
do because they were still it was a slip, so
they still have like a dozen draft picks. So they've

(52:49):
got the capital to be able to do it. They're
not paying big quarterback money or anything like that, so
they'll figure out how to do something if they go
to make that move, so uh and if they do,
then we'll be talking about that in our pregame show
as we look ahead to the LA Chargers. Folks, thanks
for watching or listening wherever you may be. Don't forget
the like, comment and subscribe Victory Monday. Here we go, Brian,

(53:13):
so a little bit of hope. Maybe it's false hope,
we don't know, but let's see if they could keep
it going. We'll talk about that later in the week.
So join us then until next time. My name is
Joe Kuzba. His name is Brian E.

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As always, we encourage everyone out there to be safe,
be good, and we'll catch you later.

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We would like it.

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