The Descent Into Horror

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♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪

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It's spooky season and you know we here
at the Pop Culture Junkie podcast are celebrating.
My name is Shauna and I'm here with Olivia.
What have you been doing to get in the mood
for Halloween, Olivia?
Well, actually, I just went to the spookiest place
of 'em all, New York City.
Transylvania.

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(laughing)
Scottsdale
Scottsdale, Arizona.
No, actually, so I just went to New York City
for the first time.
Wait, that was your first time?
I've never been to New York City ever before.
How did I not know that I thought you would go on already?
No.
Did you love it?
I loved it.
Yeah, it was fun.
Another scary thing is I was going to a family wedding.

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(laughing)
Oh, that's a real spooker.
Ooh, you're cute.
(laughing)
No, but it was gorgeous.
It was a beautiful wedding.
My cousin was a gorgeous bride, but it was pretty cool
because we were actually able to get a mix of wedding time
and then sightseeing.
So, got to go to Central Park.
We went to the World Trade Center

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and did the restaurant there.
I didn't get to go inside when I went.
I showed up at night to the World Trade Center
and I got to see the memorial.
But I wanna go inside the museum.
I didn't realize there was a restaurant at that time.
So, it's like a 360 view of the city.
So, I got to see all of New York City
from up there.
It's the tallest building now.
What's pretty crazy about it, though,
is the way that they built it,

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is it kinda like, sways a little bit.
It makes it more structurally sound.
But I'm coming off of being very sick and very nauseous.
And I was like, "Oh God, am I getting vertigo?"
Oh, I like vertigo.
Oh, no.
So, it was really cool to be able to see the city
and that high up and really look at all of the history.

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I got to walk through Central Park
and go see all of those.
I didn't get to do Central Park.
Did you go to Times Square?
No, 'cause I have a claustrophobia problem
and I don't like really large crowds.
And so, it's true.
And that'll kind of lead into what we're gonna discuss to it as well.
But it depends on what day of the week you go.
When I went, it's definitely busy,

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but it's not like you see on the New Year's ball
to offer some shit all the time.
Yeah.
But there are a lot of people in Radi Elmo costumes
that were like coming onto it's very strange.
Yeah, it just kind of seems like a tourist trap
and everyone says it's insane, like expensive.
The crowds are a lot.
And so, we went to Rock Valley Center

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and I actually got to go to the Jimmy Fallon
to Nightmares haunted house.
That's the scariest thing you did.
Yeah.
You spent time with Jimmy Fallon.
Well, I didn't actually get to see him.
I just heard his voice coming through it.
Oh, yeah.
But last year I went to 13 floors in Arizona
and I'm just extremely disappointed

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with haunted houses nowadays.
Dude, I love a good haunted house,
but like, there aren't any good ones.
They're scared lately.
Yeah, there aren't any good ones anymore
and I don't know if it's like growing up
and I'm desensitized.
I still scream at every single image I'm out of it.
I went to, have you got any fear of farm in Arizona?
Yeah, terrible.
You got chased by the dude with the chain saw
through a corn maze.

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I think it's 'cause I just shit your pan.
But I just giggle and then they're like,
oh, this isn't my audience.
I'm gonna go find a six year old.
Oh, like, so they're shot at, let's chase her instead.
Yeah, but I liked, so if you're in New York City,
I would definitely pop it.
It was good.
It was great and it was a good haunted house,
but it also had characterization of Jimmy Fallon.

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And so--
It's horrifying.
So it's like Jimmy Fallon's reoccurring nightmares.
So it's like 10 different rooms or haunted hauntings
and he starts it off and you go through with the tour guide.
I think if you didn't have the tour guide there,
it'd be really scary.
Oh, yeah.
Because you're like, where the hell am I going?
You kind of have that safety net, but I really like it.

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I like it if you're going with one friend or your alone.
Yeah.
And I like being in the front of the group.
Yeah.
So you don't have the scarce spoil for you
from the people in front of you, scary.
Yeah, I think one thing they did really well
that haunted houses don't do very well anymore
is they had enough space between parties.
That's the thing.
You don't have the spookiness, like someone getting scared.

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Like when we went to the 13th floor.
Yeah.
There is this, like, dad and daughter right in front of us
and they just like ruined everything.
Oh, we have scared.
I mean, not that we have fucking time to do anything
with our lives, but I love a good haunted house.
Yeah, I love it.
So if you have a good Arizona haunted house
recommendation, we would definitely take it.
But it was really fun.

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It was great where the reception of the wedding
was was actually--
it's called Balthazar, it was featured in a Sex
in the City episode.
So it was very, very fun.
And so we just had a grand old time and very expensive time.
And you were sober the whole time.
Yeah, that's the scariest part.
And that is horrifying.

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A sober wedding with family.
Was there an open bar where you just--
Oh, yeah, I can't do it.
Yeah.
It was probably the nice sweating I've ever been to.
Yes, because eating--
And with my wedding?
Yeah.
No, I don't even want to try to put a figure on it.
But--
It was definitely a preview into how other people live.
That's incredible.
That's amazing.
But yeah, lots of walking around--

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I'm going to have time to go back to New York City.
I did get to do one cool thing last weekend.
Jennifer Garner was here for a Moms for Kamala event.
No, I love that.
And I said, moms, of course I need to go all of my children.
Yes, if Buffy counts.
Buffy and Tess both counts.
And sometimes my husband counts.
Yeah.

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Well, I wouldn't call your husband your child.
And that's incestuous.
That's--
It's like that joke.
I always get a cleaner battery.
And I was like my child.
No, he's older than me.
I was in the trash.
No, that would be marrying my brother, not my own son.
Anyway, let's not talk about incest anymore.

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I got to meet Jennifer Garner.
And yeah, that's her.
Was she as sweet as she seems?
Dude, she's amazingly sweet.
Like follow her on social media.
She just seemed so down to her own chill
and just like a normal person.
And that was absolutely her.
So there was a couple other speakers.
And it was all about maternal welfare and access

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to childcare and reproductive rights.
And they were encouraging people to vote for Kamala for that.
And I went representing the yes on Prop 139 campaign
for Arizona for abortion access vote.
And we all--
she gathered in the middle.
It was at this cute little bar called Drink Me Tea Room.
OK.
We definitely need to check out.

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You can do--
They have tea, so I can drink.
They have Sunday afternoon at Sunday, but every day tea.
And crumpets.
OK.
And then also some good cocktails.
OK.
I love that.
And got to walk up to Jennifer at the end.
And when I told Andrew, I was meeting her,
I was like, I'm going to go up to her and say, hi, Jennifer.

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Drink.
I'm also 13 going on 35.
I loved you in Deadpool.
And he's like, please do not-- for the love of God,
you're on a stop.
Do not do not please.
Oh my God.
It was bento.
What's he there?
No.
I wouldn't have done it.
It was in--
you had to be vetted before you got in.
OK.
OK.
So I didn't invite him.

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He's got his dark past stuff.
[LAUGHTER]
The man who has never had a sip of alcohol
or not anything fun in his life.
He's not a mom for Kamala.
He is a--
He's not a momela.
He's not a momela.
He's a dad for Kamala.
That's a reason to invite him.
Yes.
But she was very sweet.

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And all I said was, hi.
My name's Shauna.
I'm with yes on prop 139.
Arizona for abortion access.
I just wanted to thank you for coming to Arizona
and using your platform to promote such important causes.
I love her.
I love her so much.
That's very articulate.
She said, oh my gosh, of course.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming.
Thank you for being here.
And we took a kill.
It was cute.
Yeah.

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And I got in the car.
And I was like, she was so nice.
She was so nice.
Literally, I can't even imagine meeting her.
She posted this video the other day on her TikTok.
And she picks up the Elektra wands.
Like the safe, do-able sites.
Wands.
Yeah.
Elektra's a witch that I love.
Yes.

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Yes.
She is a wand.
So she goes, wow, I haven't put--
I haven't done anything with these in so long.
It's been like 20 years.
And she just starts picking them up and moving them around
so gracefully and elegantly.
And I just think, thank God that woman got away from Ben Affleck.
She was up there speaking about just women's rights.

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And she had a piece of paper for her speech that
shouldn't even look at once.
And just her glasses in her hand.
And she-- all the speakers went for her before her.
She's just intently listening to them and clapping.
And I thought, this woman was married to Ben Affleck.
What the fuck?
She deserves love and light for the rest of her years
for being married about men.

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Like, I can't even imagine.
And she was delightful.
So I do have a few more celebrities on my list
that I'm coming up to meet.
Oh, it's a couple weeks, but I'm not.
I'm not going to say it until it happens.
I post a picture.
Yes, well, I'll save it for the instas.
But yeah, you're on a tear.
Lona's ex, the daily--

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Jennifer Garner.
The daily stuff's not as a drop, but that's fine.
Yeah, pretty soon.
Sean is just going to leave me and ditch this car.
I'm going to leave you.
I'm going to leave you.
So cool.
I mean, I'm already pretty cool.
But I mean, maybe.
Well, debatable.
But I'm not going anywhere.
I'm too anxious to be famous.
I like eating carbs too much to be famous.

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Yeah.
I'd be walking down the street and somebody
would stick a camera in my face.
And I just got to stop.
I'm just so hungry.
Yeah.
I didn't wear a makeup outfit.
Well, if you ever do see Sean on the street,
know that she would love a hello.
Love a hello.
Yeah.
And a compliment on my bangs.
Yeah, they do look good.
Thank you.

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You're welcome.
I boxed out my hair.
I know your hair style is going to be so upset with you.
I know, but it looks really good.
It does look good.
It doesn't feel like--
It doesn't feel like--
I'm really good.
--on YouTube.
You can see how good it looks.
If you're my hair stylist listening to this,
I'm really sorry.
I had to.
I had to.
I'm busy fighting for your rights.
I had to boxed out.
I'm saying--
The sacrifice of the shoe makes for us, guys.

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Yeah, listen.
You're going to have abortion rights in Arizona
because I boxed out my hair.
This is-- this is order.
I believe it.
I believe it.
But, you know, there's no other things there
that we need to discuss.
Women's rights are on your own.
Sean, yeah.
Boxed out of order.
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Pop culture and Halloween go together so well.

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The haunted houses, the monster movies,
imaginative costumes, TV specials.
It's the most magical time of the year.
The honestly-- yeah, it is.
Yeah, that's much better than the newsboy voice.
I think you said newsboy.
In my Christian youth group kid, there's

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a Christian man called the newsboy.
Oh.
And I was like, you know the newsboy?
That's a deep guy.
That's a deep guy.
You know the newsboy?
No, for me.
I have a annual tradition that Spooky Season starts for me
in July.
This year, I did not stick to that.
I think it's because I live alone.
And--
Do you come to my Halloween pool party in July?

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I did.
I did where you--
And you came across him as guests.
Yes, yes.
But normally, I start watching a horror movie every single day.
I didn't start that in September like I normally do.
So I've just been powering through.
I watched all the screams--
From the franchise.
Yeah, I'm from the franchise.
And it really got me thinking about just the horror genre

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in general.
And how there's so many different genres inside of the--
Yeah, a big genre.
And it's honestly like crazy.
Like if you just go through and look at it,
there's so many different types.
Like we have your traditional 1980 slasher, which really
give you like Freddie, Jason, all of those Michael Myers.
And then you go into scream, which

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is a very meta commentary on all of the slasher genres.
And I think scream is just such a good example of why horror
can be so good, because it is a commentary on culture
and the art that we're making and how it can become exploitative.
Exploited?

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Yeah, exploitative.
Or just cookie cutter, like copy paste.
Yeah.
I think scream was a really interesting commentary on that.
And then it's continued.
But then you go into like a scream for, which
is making a comment about all of the other screams.
It's like a meta meta.
Yeah, it's like it becomes like this crazy thing.

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Then we go into the 2000s where we have a lot of found footage.
Oh my gosh.
Do you like found footage horror films?
So how do you feel about those?
I like the Blair Witch project.
I've never seen the Blair Witch project.
I know.
Isn't that insane?
Oh my gosh.
We need to add that.
Okay.
My list to the list.
My list, like I do the same that you do.
Like I try to watch as many horror movies as I can throughout October.

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And I have a few favorites that I'll rewatch.
But my husband and I always try to watch horror movies that we've never seen before.
So we rewatched the entire scream franchise last year, because there was a couple in there
that I had missed.
Like four or five.
Yeah.
Yeah, just randos.
And I enjoyed all of them.
And then I were going to talk in a little bit about a horror movie that we both watched
recently that I'd never seen.

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But found footage, I need to add Blair Witch to my list, honestly.
But I really did like Cloverfield.
Okay.
Which I liked that one too.
Yeah.
Which is a good mix of found footage and kind of like supernatural alien horror.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think the Blair Witch is really good.
The Blair Witch is crazy because when it came out, I think it came out on like 98 or 99.

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So I like that.
I passed it off as actually found footage and people believe it.
And it was done really, really well.
And I think we've talked in other episodes about how crazy it would be to go with B on the
Blair Witch because a lot of it is them just like ad hoc, like ad-dem, they didn't really

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have a script.
They actually lost the map.
Like there's so many things within a movie.
And it really started it off.
I do like the paranormal activity movies as well.
My favorite.
Funny enough, is the fourth one with Catherine Newton in it.
I need to rewatch those two.
The one that stands out my mind the most is the first one.

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Yeah.
Scared this shit out of Andrew.
Yeah.
Like we went to the theater to see, I don't know, the third or fourth one.
And he was in the seat next to me and like shaking his foot so hard.
Well, yeah, I mean, if he puts himself in the--
I don't know man.
I think the second and the first one.
I don't know man.
I think the second and the first one.
And the fourth one are my favorites.

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After the fourth one, it's just like, what are we still doing here?
Yeah, the first one was so good and so iconic because it's so low budget and so unique.
And it feels authentic.
Yeah.
It feels like this could be a couple that you know that's just going through this shit and
they're on and out.
Yeah, where you could--
I feel like Andrew probably got so scared because he could put himself in that where

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it's like, oh, we're childless couple.
Yeah.
Like, oh no.
I'm just going to be honest with you.

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If I woke up in a sleepy stupor and someone was doing that, I would just backhand.
I would just backhand.
The only time I would ever do that to you is if we were just trashed.
Yeah.
Well, at that point, you know, it might just be you broke your foot and you need help.

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I just said, "Please, I need to go to a hospital.
Right back down."
I just tell you to shut up.
You did.
I can't help it.
But, you know, there's so many different types of horror.
There's psychological, which I think is probably my favorite because it really gets in your head.
Super natural.
Probably my second favorite there.
I've talked a little bit about monsters.

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And then I think a genre that I really want to see come back is Comedy Horror, which I love.
I love what you love.
Scary movie 1-3.
It is so good.
The first three are so good.
And then it got, because they started branching off and they did epic movie or Kim Kardashian
and she ruined it.
Yeah.
In romance movie, or I don't know, they had this whole spin-off genre and they were all terrible.

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But the first three scary movies are fucking hilarious.
I like kind of rom-com horror.
And I don't even know if it's considered horror, I guess.
But we just watched Let The Right One In.
And it's the Swedish movie about a little boy who's bullied at school.
It's based on a novel and a vampire moves in next door.

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And they're about the same age.
Well, kind of it's a vampire.
And they end up, I mean, that's his only friend and it's really sweet.
And it got a really good score in Rotten Tomatoes.
And I don't know, I popped up on some article, which is why I chose it.
But there is an American we make called Let Me In with Chloe Grace Marantza's I don't know.

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And apparently it's a good two.
I have seen that one.
I have seen that one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Watch the Swedish one.
It was really good.
Do they have a dubbed version or is it all subtitles?
We watched it in subtitles because I'm a subtitle person.
But I know you're a dubbed version.
I can't, it's like that meme of the office where he's just staring at her chest.
And he was like, that is all I see.
Like I can't observe the act of the act.

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I can't observe like the jumps or like really get into it.
I know you have to sound each word.
Yes.
For a long time when you read it's fine.
Maybe I know.
It's just the illiterate one.
That's the vampire.
Vampire.
Vampire.
Yeah.
It's really good.
It's really good.
But it wasn't scary as much as I mean, there's some gore in it.

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So it was it was horror chasing.
Okay.
And kind of like warm bodies.
Yes.
I love warm bodies.
Yes.
I think that there's so many different types like you have like full core or you have paranormal.
You have vampires like you talked about.
One that I really love as well and we'll never get sick of is zombies.
I think I love zombie movies.

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You know, walking dead.
We did a whole episode about it.
Shout out to Haley.
They are just so good and I think trained to boost on.
I've never seen that.
I love that.
Yeah.
I like that.
Did you watch it dub?
No, subtitles.
I did it.
I did it.
I can do it.
But I'm so proud of you.
There's just so much action in that and not a lot of speaking.
That's true.

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So your dialogue is a lot of like, "Ahhh."
My leg.
My leg.
My leg.
Ahhh.
Which translates in every language.
Ah.
Yeah.
That's an easy one.
But then there's also dark fantasy, apocalyptic.

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We have lovecraftian and just so many different types of stuff.
I'm talking about Haley and Todd.
It has this apocalyptic and like post-apocalyptic horror or some of my favorite genres.
And I know I've talked about this a million times in the podcast, but I love end of the world
stuff.
Yeah.
And I love confined to a compromising situation so that Ryan Reynolds movie where he's

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buried underground in a coffin.
No.
No.
I love it.
Well, that's actually a really great point because I'm going to talk about one of the horror
genres that gets me the most in its phobia horror.
I went on to Reddit and I as one does when they made a night.

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As a millennial does.
And I searched scariest movie ever made.
A lot of different options came up.
Some of them you and I had mentioned about watching, but I have no interest in watching
like a Serbian film.
Yep.
No, which is supposed to be disgusting and disturbing more than scary.
I am not about that.

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But like graphic porn adjacent like yes, that one of the columns, a scorcher porn.
Yeah, a scorcher porn like a snuff.
Yeah, there we go.
Snuff films.
Yeah, I can do it.
I am about that.
The first saw amazing.
Subsequence a la.
Yeah.
So we went away from that and then I suggested movie called Antichrist, which I think is also

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kind of close to that.
Okay.
With Willem DeFoe apparently it's supposed to be horrifying.
The scariest movie I've ever seen personally is hereditary.
Okay.
Maybe scared the shit out of me.
That movie stuck with me for months.
A lot of people said a movie called The Descent was the scariest movie they had ever seen.

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And I had never seen it.
Which is crazy to me.
Yes, one night being my cousin, I'm her and I both love horror movies.
Shout out Kate.
And we decided to do a phobia horror movie binge.
And so we went because it's one of the ones that messes me up the most.
And so I have to go into movies that like I know are going to make me uncomfortable.

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And so we decided to watch The Descent because you had never seen it.
But while we were talking about it, I had asked if you had ever seen as above so below.
Which is really similar to The Descent.
But The Descent is a phobia horror because they are dissenting into these caves.
It's a very claustrophobic.

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Yeah, there are like five women in it who are chasing the adventure junkies.
So it has to be off so bad.
I watched it just yesterday.
So tell us your rating.
I won the five scariest house, how scary.
You know what, I'm going to give it about a four scary, maybe a three or four.

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I wasn't just like, oh, I caught shaking.
But I guess a lot of things don't do that to me unless it's like a psychological horror
like red-editary.
Okay.
Which when they focus on his face and he knows his sister is headless in the back seat, that
shook me to my core.
Yeah, I saw that in theaters and everyone was like, and it's just silence over the entire

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audience.
Yeah.
That shook me.
That was like a tear.
Yeah, it was really well.
And I think he really put a 24 on the map.
Yes.
A 24 amazing horror.
The dissent I really did enjoy.
I liked the main actress.
His name was Shana McDonnell.
And it spelled the same way as I do.
Wow.
The proper way with a U.
Yes.

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And my sister in law's last name is McDonnell.
It was true.
It was like, if you married Blake, your name would be Shana McDonnell.
And I'd be like, good one, babe.
And then I went through my entire, like a moment, my brain, where I just ran through
my entire life with my sister in law's husband, like, God, we would be disgusting.
You guys would be the worst couple ever.
Oh my God.

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We would just be feral.
We would be just, we would do all of the substances you could possibly make.
I would be just, you know, we need the counterbalance.
We need the counterbalance of the Trinidad family.
Blake and I are both equally disgusting.
Yeah.
Anyway, it would be bad.
It would never work out.
But Shana McDonnell, this baby, he plays stand.

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She does a great job in it.
Yes.
I mean, we're going to spoil it.
It came out in what like 2000 seven minutes.
No, maybe.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I think it was when we were like 2008, 2007, maybe very mid 2000 haircuts.
Yep.
And she is an adrenaline junkie with her gal pals and they go white water rafting and
forgetting they're adrenaline junkies.

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They're driving home from this trip and her daughter and her husband, who is from the
first minute that he helps her friend out of the water and they make eye contact.
I go, they're having sex.
And Andrew said, what do you say?
I'm like, her husband's cheating on her with her best friend.
I was a sexual.
I'm not see that.
That was the most sexual eye contact I've ever seen in a movie.
Yeah.

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Spoiler they are.
But her husband and her daughter are horrifically killed in this car crash with a pole to the
head.
And a year later, her gal pals all gather back up and they want to dissent into the
cabins, which is called spillunking.
Spillunkers.
Spillunkers.
Spooky spillunkers.
All new genres.
Spooky spillunking.

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You will never catch me spillunking.
Yeah.
No.
In Austin, there's a bunch of cave systems and they would take you there on school field trips
and I absolutely hated it.
Spillunking children.
Yeah.
I mean, it was a discovered cavern system and it was a tourist.
That's right.
I wanted to say that going for you because her friend of this movie pissed me off.

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So bad.
First of all, it's the friend who's having sex with her husband or who he used to.
Who wants to discover a new cave system but tells not a single one of them that no one
has ever adventureed here before.
There is like a known pathway or system that they all think they're going to.
And she hides the, keeps the map in the car to surprise them and is like, I wanted us

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to be the first ones to discover it.
So I could name it after you.
Well, because I slept with your husband and he died.
How bold it is.
She has this necklace on the best friend of the entire time that was from the girl's
dead husband.
Yep.
How bold.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
If you slept with my husband and he bought you a necklace, don't wear the necklace around
me.

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Yeah.
I'm going to find out.
Yeah.
It's really, really good.
I mean, I love the movie.
I loved the movie.
It was claustrophobic as hell.
Yeah.
It was watching it while I was working today.
And I just like my shoulders increasingly like rise like the part where they're all starting
to like crawl through.
Oh, that was the scary part.
I hate that so much.

(26:33):
Like, there are monsters in this movie, but the real scary than the monsters.
I mean, they are then these tiny little and then she very realistically has a panic attack,
which would be me in that situation.
Oh, no, I would have been like, put me back up somehow.
You're all pulling a little bit.
You're all staying up here, you guys.
And I'll get brunch ready for Lennie Limerah.

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I'll cut up a little cucumber and cream cheese sandwiches for us.
You guys have fun.
But yeah, she has a panic attack while she's in this tunnel thing.
And that was the scary part to me too.
I mean, the monsters are horrifying and very well done.
And it's very bloody and scary.
I will say there was a lot of jump cuts, which I don't like in movies.
I like more of a prolonged scene where the camera just kind of focuses on one thing.

(27:17):
Okay.
And this one cut a lot.
I like going through different moments in time where there's more just like, now he's on
top. Now she's on top.
Now it's the single.
Now it's the single.
I don't know.
Like John Wick is so good with those action scenes because it just holds on to them, you
know?
Yep.
But this one, I don't know.
There was lots of cuts.
But overall, I really liked it.
Did you see the sequel?

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I actually have never seen descent too.
I was thinking about watching it just like right after it.
Yeah.
Didn't look great.
It doesn't have the greatest rot in tomato score.
It's better than Joker too.
Oh yeah.
We didn't even talk about that.
Yeah.
Descent is one of those rare horror movies that actually has an 80 percent or 79.

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Let me be statistically accurate.
That's right.
For the horror genre to have an 80 percent is very difficult.
I mean, it's almost unheard of.
It's a touch shitty.
It's like horror movies never get the accolades that I think they really deserve.
You're never going to see a true horror movie in the Academy Awards.

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Maybe it's a little bit gross.
That's true.
Oh, parasite was so good.
Parasite is an outlier because that's true.
I think it's one of the highest rated horror movies on around tomato's world.
And definitely a psychological and it speaks a lot to like class structure.
Also has subtitles.
I watched it.
Did you watch it?
Did you watch it this time?
Yeah.
And well, I wouldn't have understood the movie if I didn't.

(28:41):
I mean, I'm sure it's dubbed somewhere.
Olivia's watching it.
Like, is there a person in the face?
What is this?
No clue.
No thoughts.
Just vibes.
Just vibes.
His movie's horrifying.
That reminds me when we watched that Lensilla Pan movie.

(29:01):
So one time, Sean and I, we were trying to support our girl in the Lohana.
Lens.
Yeah.
The Lohana's on missed it for this movie.
Let's say that.
I don't even know what it was.
We were drinking and we just looked at each other and we said, should we just mute this and
make up our own dialogue?
So we absolutely did.
Absolutely hammered.
It did make the movie better.

(29:22):
It was great though.
It was great once we muted it, but.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bob, I can't remember who I am, but maybe we should make sweet sweet love.
I think I could save the down crispness competition, which I think was kind of just the movie
anyway, but anyway.
There are a lot of bad horror movies out there, right?

(29:46):
Like we have like the slothening and there's some like ridiculous movies.
Like the bad horror comedy horror probably.
But you know, there are a lot of a list celebrities that we know and love today that came out of
the horror genre.
And we have Tom Hanks, who's very first acting credit was in the Sasha movie.
He knows you're alone.

(30:07):
I actually did not know that he got his start from horror movies, but I feel like we should
watch it.
Now, I did know about Texas Chance on Massacre with Matthew McConaughey.
And fun fact about me is I actually grew up in Travis County, which is where the movie
is set.
I've never seen the original and that was the other movie that we were talking about watching.

(30:30):
So I think that's going to have to be a list.
It's worth watching.
Yeah.
Definitely.
I grew up on the Jessica Biel Texas Chance on Massacre.
Yeah.
So it was my favorite one.
Yeah.
I mean, you have to just sexual awakening.
It's good.
You know.
Okay, now.
Yeah.
Just why does she look so good?
She's so good.
Look at Jennifer Aniston.

(30:51):
I also got her star in horror in the Leopardcon in 1993.
Have you ever seen that before?
No.
Oh my gosh.
Tristan singing.
I think that is a silly little scary movie.
But my favorite Leopardcon one though is back to the hood.
I feel like that would be so good.
It is.
It is.
But the Leopardcon murders this guy with a bong and that scene is stuck with me forever.

(31:15):
That's how you're going to die someday by the way.
That's why I'm going to murder you with your Rick and Morty.
Yeah.
That's why I have the belief that that's going to be my weapon if someone ever comes into
my apartment trying to kill me.
I throw the water in their face on a brick debon.
That's why it's given another horror movie that I love called Cabin in the Woods where

(31:35):
he uses his collapsible ball as a weapon.
I mean no notes.
No notes.
No, no, amazing.
I love that movie.
And that's kind of like a comedy horror movie.
It breaks a lot of tropes.
It's the scream of 2010.
Yeah.
Where it is.
It is a commentary on all the monsters and it's a real way.

(31:56):
And I always show that movie to people who say they hate horror.
Like Eric said he hated horror movies but I made him watch.
It's all out there.
Yeah.
I made him watch.
He hates horror movies.
Yeah, he like refuses to watch them.
And so I was like, okay, you have to watch Cabin in the woods and he actually really liked
it.
So I show that to a lot of people who say like, oh, I hate horror movies.

(32:16):
I think it's, you know, if you don't like horror movies, you just probably think of it
as like everything is saw.
And there's so many different types of it.
So I think growing up I did not like horror movies.
I was just a very like, I've said this before but very sensitive like yucky like, that makes
things would make me sick.
Like I watched House of Wax with my boyfriend.

(32:37):
Oh, that's a good one though.
Now I would probably love it.
But watching it at 16 and we were like cuddling on his parents' couch.
I remember thinking, I'm going to break up with him after this.
I am scared.
I'm never going to say it.
House of Wax is so scary.
It's the uncanny valley.
Go back to the last set.
Oh, and when they peel his face off and he's like, oh, yeah.

(32:57):
Yeah, House of Wax, that's a horrifying.
That was a great movie in a moment in time because people just wanted to see Paris Hilton
get murdered.
And they put that in the commercials, watch Paris die.
Yeah, like she knew.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
And I watched, I need to watch it now as an adult.
I watched it with Andrew and I just go, I think I'm going to break up with my husband.

(33:21):
I got one of two fours.
But I was convinced that I hated horror.
Yep.
It was too gross.
It was too goring.
I don't like watching people's heads and faces get cut off.
That's what I would always say.
And then Andrew, when we were dating, convinced me to watch the first evil dead movie.
Okay.
And he had it on DVD and was like, and I saw the cover.

(33:42):
Oh, the cover.
I still have that.
I've heard.
Right.
And I was like, no, this looks horrifying.
And he's like, I swear to God, please.
Trust me.
Trust me.
Yeah.
And from the Nonna, I was like, you're not as incredible.
You're hooked.
That was incredible.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
I love that.
That was your foray back into it.
Yeah.
I mean, I would watch like, you know, when you're a little kid and you have, did you have cable

(34:05):
in your bedroom as a kid?
And you're flipping through the channels and like, pet cemetery comes on or both are
guys.
And then you're watching it.
Then you change the channel quite because you're like, I'm going to get caught.
And this is too scary.
But then you change it back.
And then you change it again.
Yeah.
And then you change it back to the channel.

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And so it really follows the like trilogy, like all rules are gone.

(42:28):
Yeah.
Kind of in the slowly gets stupider as a guy.
Yeah.
As I described in like the scream three, like the rules to a trilogy
and how that works.
And it pulled a lot of those from there.
These kind of movies are probably what people think of.
Like we said earlier when they say horror is a bad genre.
Yes.
They think of these stupid like leprechaun four in the movie.

(42:49):
Yeah.
The fifth one should run the corn.
Should run the corn.
Should run the corn.
The corn lives again.
Pop corn.
Like you know, they think of those kind of tropes.
They don't know how well done and psychological and deep and like commentary heavy.
Like all of Jordan Peel's horror movies now are incredible and awful of commentary on race relations

(43:11):
and class and very well done.
So we've gotten away from the dream warriors of 1987.
Yeah.
Sorry if that's your favorite.
No, it's definitely not the yeah, it's definitely not the best one.
But I think that there's just so many iconic celebrities like of course we got Jamie Lee Curtis

(43:32):
from Halloween and for a genre that notoriously has a bad rap.
A lot of the people that we know and love are so famous from those roles.
And I think that if you can do good in a horror movie that might not be the best script or
it's unbelievable, but you can give a good performance.

(43:53):
It shows that you could move over into other genres.
Exactly.
Especially if you have that good classic scream.
Yes.
I wish I was a scream queen.
Good for gin or tega.
Just like.
Oh, yeah.
She was actually one of the iconic scream queen.
So she got her star in in Sidious chapter two.

(44:15):
Those movies are good.
I forgot she was in it as well, but it's because she's so much more famous now that you're
like, oh, I forgot she was in that.
And then of course she was still many more moving.
She went on to X and now is Tim Burton's favorite.
She was in scream.
Yeah.
Tim Burton's favorite person right now.
His pedagogy.
No, it's the word muse.

(44:36):
I'm good times.
I'm good times.
Yeah.
No, I love horror movies.
I'm glad that I got over my.
Does it correlate when you stopped being a Christian?
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
That's so interesting.
I need a ability to want to watch it.
Maybe.
You know, that's interesting.
No, I kind of went back to my my Christian roots.

(44:59):
Oh, yeah.
When you were in Andrew, yeah.
I remember that.
I think it was just in my head all horror for some reason was gory and like, I don't like
watching.
And gratuitous and over the top, like people getting tortured and it's so much more than
that.
Yeah.
So now it's probably my favorite film genre, honestly, is a good horror movie.

(45:20):
Yeah.
And I can remove myself from seeing gratuitous bloody and violence to a certain extent now.
I think to myself, these are really well done effects.
Like, I love a good practical effect.
I love a well done CG effect and I can just think, how did they make that scene happen?
How did they do that?
Yeah.
I love this YouTube channel called corridor effects or corridor digital.

(45:42):
Okay.
And it's CG guys and they all sit on a couch and they break down scenes from movies and
like that.
How they were made.
And now because I watch them, that's why I hate so many cuts when a fight is going on
because now I just can't stop noticing it.
So I can kind of remove myself when I think of movies to disgusting and think, okay, this

(46:04):
is fake, this is well done, this is well acted.
I mean, to an extent, I have no interest in watching like the terrifying movies.
All of these articles are like, people are throwing up in the aisles and passing out,
watching terrifying or three.
Yeah.
I'm out.
Yeah.
I don't want to be, have that stuck in my mind forever.

(46:25):
No, I don't want to be scarred for life.
And I don't want anything to make me vomit like, same with like the saw movies, with like
the moral labor kills.
I like reading the articles about them later.
Yes.
I will read all of the Wikipedia and truth.
Yes.
I, you said earlier, like I think the scariest movie I ever saw was I was trying to think

(46:46):
remember the name of this movie because I had to try to erase it and it really messed
me up for a while.
I think it's on Netflix still, but it's called the darkness.
And it is just a very afraid of the dark horror.
And it hits you back to childhood.
I hate to be so afraid of the dark, but I was thinking, oh my god.

(47:07):
And it really like prays on that.
I don't want to spoil it for everyone.
But it's so good because it like hits down into some of those childhood fears.
I think that you have, and when horror can do that and take you back in time and to
it when I was younger, I was so afraid of the final destination movies.

(47:27):
Me too.
And now I think they're great.
I think about it.
I think about final destination too.
Every single time I see a truck with something in it where there's just iconic.
Oh my god.
An airplane, a roller coaster, when my friends were like, oh, I just used a tanning bed.
I'm like, why would you use a tanning bed?
Did you not want to file this?
Not just because of cancer, but also.

(47:48):
I mean, there's been a person to live, like, there's two girls and the third one.
I go to the gym and like that guy's like doing a chest press or something and dies.
It's just, oh my god.
The movies are so well done.
They get a little goofy, but they're very well done.
They do.
If you didn't know, they're also books and they're also comics as well.
So there's a lot of lore around it.

(48:11):
If you are like me and you love like a horror movie lore and you want to know what
I know all the different pieces of the story and how Freddie got more powers.
I've talked about this YouTube channel before, but Seizies World does an amazing job.

(48:31):
Text that to me.
Breaking it down.
And so he actually broke down the entire final destination timeline with the comics,
the movies and the books.
I have no idea they were comics.
That's interesting.
I had either until I had seen that and it was really, really interesting.
But I think final destination can be so scary because what it's death and death comes from

(48:53):
all of us.
I mean, eventually spoiler we're all going to die.
Hopefully, yeah, hopefully graphic death and death stories.
Yeah, you know, only certain teas, only certain teas in life and share.
Yeah, she's a vampire though.
100%.
She looks like exactly the same.
So there is this Japanese horror manga series called Uzumaki.
I hope I said that correctly.

(49:15):
That's how I've been saying it.
And it came out in 1998 and it ran through 1999, just in iconic Japanese horror.
I feel like you've probably seen this image before of this spiral in this woman's head
with her eyeball bulging out.
They finally made an anime of it.

(49:37):
And horror fans and anime fans have been waiting.
Gosh, 1999 to see an anime version of this.
It's on two Nami/adults' whim but then also on Netflix.
And it is so disturbing.
Really?
The imagery of it looks like it just hopped right off of the pages of the manga.

(49:59):
It looks in it's all in black and white.
It looks exactly like you're watching the manga come to life.
A manga is like a comic book in Japan for people who are like me.
Yes.
For people like Olivia.
It's a comic book in Japan.
You know.
Yeah.
So I'm gonna pop Uzi Maki but I'm only on episode two.
I will admit I did not read the manga so I don't know where it's going.

(50:22):
And at this point, the storytelling is very strange and I can't find myself shouting at
the television a lot.
Just leave.
Everything is awful.
Just leave the city.
Leave this town before you all die.
Please get out.
Get the fuck out of here.
Yeah, I'm there, man.
Why are we all staying?

(50:43):
I literally something insanely grotesquil happened in the next day through all that school
like wasn't that weird that happened to Jimmy yesterday?
And I'm like, yeah, that was weird.
You should flee the country.
You should leave.
But I'll pop it.
It's very well done so far.
So Uzi Maki on Netflix.

(51:03):
Okay.
I love her pop for now.
So as I mentioned, I went to New York.
And so that flight from Arizona is quite long.
It's about five hours.
So I was watching some movies.
And if you fly a American, they have a lot of paramount movies.
And I actually watched a quiet place day one.

(51:24):
Oh, I haven't watched it yet.
Was it good?
I really, really liked it.
I love Tom Khrusse and Ski though and he's not in it.
Yeah, well, yeah.
Because he died a long time ago.
There have been many movies since then.
Oh, you're right.
They did make a sequel.
Yeah.
I never mind.
I guess I can watch it.
Why?
The sequel had Killian Murphy in it though.

(51:46):
So it's almost an upgrade, you know?
I don't know.
John Khrusse and Ski's so fine.
But he has, Killian Murphy has a beard.
I just want to say, he's so bearded.
So he's so sexy in it.
I'll watch it for the beard.
I'll just say it's so good.
So the movie, A Quiet Place One, is set in New York City.

(52:07):
And I'm flying to New York City.
And the opening credits of it, if it's a New York, is average to be at 90 decibels of sound
every second, which is equivalent to a human scream.
And so that's the first thing you see there, the constant noise that you get loud as hell.

(52:29):
And I get there.
And you see, you know what's coming because you've seen a Quiet Place if you're watching
day one and you're just like, oh God, everyone is gonna die.
I need to watch it.
And so it kind of goes into that, but I really, really liked it.
And you should spoil one thing for me.
Okay.
And if listeners don't want to hear this spoiler, then just plug your ears for the next 30

(52:52):
seconds.
I just need to one more.
I just need to skip the button.
There's the cat live.
Yes.
All right.
Yeah, that's all.
I know.
I need to, again, the whole time.
I was so worried about the cat.
I'm like, I can't even, in my real life, I cannot even be near a cat.
But I was just like, I can't better not die.
And it would be, I have to go like, does the dog die, dot, dot, cause the minute I see a dog

(53:15):
in it.
And if it does, we have to turn it off.
Like, I will close my eyes, like, tell me when it's over.
So I would, I would definitely pop that one.
Hi.
Okay.
I'm gonna get that world.
Yeah.
I think it's worth a watch.
I'm gonna go to the quiet place, day one, and Uzumaki, and let us know what you think.

(53:35):
And I also want to hear in the comments and in the Facebook support group what your favorite
horror movies are and your favorite horror movies, genres.
I think it's time for us to jump back on our broomsticks and fly on out of here.
But before we go, Olivia, tell everyone where they can find you on social media.
You can find me, Olivia, on Instagram @livimariez li-v-i-m-a-r-i-e-z.

(54:04):
You can find me, Shauna Trinidad, on Instagram @shaunatrinidad s-h-a-u-n-a-t-r-i-n-i-d-a-d.
Dad, you're daddy.
Wow, why did we both just, daddy?
That's my fantasy.
We spend too much time together.
We really do.
We're not enough.

(54:26):
That's my fantasy football team this year is the Trinidadis.
No, I like that.
Thank you.
No Ewok milk this time.
No, because Felipe didn't want to be Ewok milk.
Something else like a...
Something's red rocket.
Oh, Guinness's?
I think it's based on Guinness and his red rocket.
The dog.
The dog.
It's a dog.
Not a person.

(54:47):
Yeah.
It's not the knot.
Again.
That's the real one.
Oh my god.
From the book right.
By refinishing this podcast, talk about Dix today.
Like, because it's time.
Tell everyone where they can find us.
Oh my god.
Don't look sad about Dix.
You say you can't find us on Dicks?
No.
Because you could always find me on a Dick.
I would say you can't find her Dix.

(55:10):
Oh.
Oh my god, we're just disgustin'.
Disgustin'.
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