In part 2 of our deep dive into the 120+ page arrest affidavit, we got through searching Barry & Suzanne’s cars, interviews with their daughters, Barry, Suzanne’s best friend, her sister, and her lover, Jeff.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What You Know, Alibiers. Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis. I'm Jigi. It's Monday, September twenty second.
I didn't get to do as many episodes as I wanted.
Last week Grammy was readmitted to the hospital, but some
good news. She had her cardio version on Friday and
has just done a one point eighty and is doing
so much better. So thank you guys for the prayers
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and the well wishes. They have worked. I had the
funeral for my friend Taekwana on Saturday, and then yesterday
I celebrated my forty eighth birthday, which was the best
birthday I've had yet.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But this week y'all were full force.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Today we're going to keep going on this very more
few document that was filed with his latest arrest. I
am thinking about picking up this David story, the man
who went viral on TikTok and subsequently they found his
sixteen year old girlfriend's decomposing body in a trunk. I
would like to start researching that this afternoon and do
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a what we Know so far episode. As far as
I know, he hasn't been arrested, so this is going
to be one to watch but let's jump into more
few So just a trigger warning on this. I know
some people are very sensitive to this kind of thing,
so if you are a little squeamish about autopsy stuff,
you may want to fast forward just about a minute.
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Although this is mainly skeletal remains, so there wasn't anything
super graphic in the description, but it is a human
being named Suzanne Morphew and what they found when they
found her remains. They received three large paper bags containing bones,
seven brown paper bags containing clothes, and seven envelopes containing
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items to be described. The three large paper bags contained
multiple human and non human bones, fragments, dirt, and a
wood fragment. They recovered the skull with the lower jawbone,
the sacrum, which is the bone at the very base
of the spine, multiple ribs, long arm bones from both sides,
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the breastbone and the sternum, the right shoulder blade, the collarbone,
left and right femurs, which are the big bones at
the top of your leg, the right and left lower
leg bones, and multiple vertebrae. In the seven brown paper bags,
they found a pale patterned ski mask, a pink and
light colored leather work glove, light colored partial padded bra
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a ripped dark gray and blue hooded sweatshirt labeled crusted butte,
a torn green Nike tank top, yetti shorts, and a
fabric fragment. The clothing and fabric fragment are all weathered
and covered in dirt. They did keep one weathered bullet
and released three teeth for DNA testing. They took a
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fragment of the femur and the femur head for toxicology
testing prior to release for forensic anthropology examination. Those results
are later on in the document, and we will get
to those once they're building their case against Barry Morphew.
In a May eleven interview done by Sergeant Hiss Julian,
they spoke with one of Suzanne and Barry's daughters. She
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said Suzanne wrote religious devotionals in a journal, and as
for the daughter's bedroom, where the sheets were found to
be off the bed, she said her bed is always
made and then described the color of the bedding. This
next part wasn't clear if this is the same daughter
or the other daughter, but she admitted that her parents
argued a lot and she feared they would separate or divorce.
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She said they were not doing well, and maybe it
was for the best they would separate, and that they
were both in an unsafe place emotionally. They argued and
they get into fights. She said, Suzanne and Barry both
have just not felt safe. At some point, they weren't
getting along and had discussed divorce. In a footnote, it
says in multiple FBI interviews in twenty twenty one, Barry
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denied they ever discussed divorce. She said she didn't look
at any text messages on her parents' phones, and in
the footnote, it says that this kind dis Barry's repeated
assertions to CBI that he deleted arguments between him and
Suzanne on his phone because his daughters always looked at
his phone. When asked if it were possible that Suzanne
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left because she didn't feel safe, the daughter said her
mom wouldn't leave her. She would have contacted her or
her sister to let them know she was okay. Her
and her sister were headed home on May tenth with
a friend, but there was no plans for them to
actually stay at the Morphew home. The daughter said Susanne
always carried her phone and kept a charging cable by
the nightstand and in a footnote, it says when the
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residence was searched, law enforcement did not locate a charging
cable on either nightstand back to an interview with the
couple that went over to the house initially, Missus Ridder
said one of the daughters contacted her and her husband
on May tenth, twenty twenty, because she couldn't reach Suzanne.
She asked them to go to the house to check
on her. Missus Ridder could not locate Suzanne at the house,
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so she called Barry and told him what happened, and
Barry asked Missus Ridder to look for Suzanne's bike and
to call nine one one if she didn't locate Suzanne.
She went back to the house to look again, and
then her husband called nine one one to report Suzanne missing.
Mister Ritter sent his wife back to the residence to
leave a few notes posted just in case Suzanne returned.
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Moving on to Barry's interview on May eleventh, twenty twenty,
he said he left his residence at five am on
May tenth to travel to Broomfield, Colorado for a construction job.
In the footnote, it says that Barry's phone entered airplane
mode at four thirty two am, and he altered his
numerous prior accounts to law enforcement to match phone and
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truck evidence. When speaking to FBI agents later on in
April of twenty twenty one, Barry said he turned left
on Highway fifty when leaving his house, which is the
opposite direction to Broomfield, and he said he did so
because he saw a bull elk crossing the road. Barry
pointed to an area on Google Maps the indicated he
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turned his truck around at an exit in Garfield, Colorado,
which is about five miles in the opposite direction that
his trip should have taken him. He said he did
not speak to Suzanne that morning because she was still
asleep when he left. His two daughters were coming home
that day from a camping trip. He texted Suzanne to
wish her a happy Mother's Day and got no response,
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and he said possibly due to poor cel reception. He
again tried later that morning with no response, and then
texted his daughters, who also said they could not reach Suzanne.
Very specifically provided his route of travel to Broomfield, and
in all subsequent interviews he never stated he turned west
on Highway fifty. In a footnote, it says that Suzanne's
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helmet was discovered off the south side of Highway fifty
west of the County Road two twenty five entrants that
leads into the mor fused Puma Path residence. Suzanne's plan
for May tenth was to clean the house and get
the spare bedrooms ready for their daughter and possibly a
friend to visit. He said Suzanne rides her mountain bike
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every day and also mentioned Suzanne had been diagnosed with
cancer twice and beat it. He said he owned firearms
and the firearms and AMMO are stored in a locked
gun safe in the garage. In the report, it says
it should be noted on May eleventh, while law enforcement
searched the residence, two firearms located were not in a
gun safe. A high powered rifle was located in a
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closet on the ground floor. The rifle was spray painted
in a cameo pattern and law enforcement could not locate
a serial number. A twelve gage shotgun was found lying
against the wall in a garage. Also, a loaded twenty
two caliber long rifle cartridge was located lying on the
floor of the master bedroom near the right side of
the bed. After this interview, ended. Barry was told as
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truck would be seized for processing. May eleventh, the search
of the puma path resonance, they found what appeared to
be suspected blood on the apron of the garage. To
the east side of the three car garage, there was
also a Bobcat skid steer parked in the parking area
west of the Morphy residence. Next to the Bobcat was
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a flatbed trailer. The trailer was in the tilt position.
The trailer bed had some loose gravel and dirt on it.
The trailer did not have a jack on it, and
the tongue of the trailer was lying on the ground.
The skid steer was parked to the left side near
the trailer tongue. The items were positioned such that the
skid steer bucket appeared to have been used to unhitch
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the trailer from a vehicle, most likely Burry's truck, and
then set the trailer on the ground. Law enforcement noticed
the cutting edge of the skid steer bucket had been
recently replaced, so there was no wear on it. Also
noted were several large bolts and nuts lying on the
skid steer bucket and on the front end of the
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trailer bed. In a footnote, it says in a news
story that aired on Fox twenty one August twenty first,
twenty twenty, Berry stated that he had an inconsistency with
one timeline. I was only because when I just didn't
know the time that I did something a mechanical thing
to my bobcap. I was confused and I just found
out my wife was missing. Moving on to the CBI
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crime scene report, the interior of Barry's truck was cluttered
with several personal items. The interior dash area was dusty
and dirty. In a footnote, the interior condition of his
truck conflicts with his subsequent statements to CBI and the
FBI that the purposes of his five trash runs in
Broomfield were to clean out his truck. As far as
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Suzanne's white Range Rover, they found personal items, including her
driver's license and credit card, and items were removed by sections,
photographed and placed on butcher paper. Some of the other
items inside of her car collected included a woman's jacket
and a knit cap, pairs of sunglasses, a key in
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the glove compartment, a camelback, and there is a footnote
that says on Suzanne's Instagram pictures of her riding her
bike have her blue camelback water pack visible, making it
unlikely she would have taken a BikeE ride without it.
They also found sunglasses in the front passenger seat, spa
chemicals on the front passenger floorboard, and a Scott Bicycle
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receipt in the front driver door. Regarding the tranquilizer dark
cap that was found, it says a plastic needle cover
was located in the dryer drum. This was collected by
the Chafey County Sheriff's Office along with different items from
different areas. The needle cover was recovered with sheets from
the daughter's bed inside the dryer. Section two's Suzanne's attempts
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to leave Barry and her affair. Suzanne told numerous close friends,
her daughters, and Barry that she wanted out of her marriage,
yet Barry refused to listen to her. She suspected Barry
of having affairs for years and kept her affair very
secretive to protect her daughters as well as her boyfriend's family.
A small portion of interviews and evidence of her attempts
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to leave Barry and her affair follows, there was an
interview with Sheila Oliver. She was interviewed via telephone. She's
Suzanne's best friend who lives in Philadelphia, and they were
in constant contact through texts and snapchats until May the ninth.
She said Suzanne would promptly check her snapchat and she
was worried Suzanne did not read three messages from her
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May ninth, at six forty pm and six forty eight pm.
Suzanne had been very excited about the wedding of Sheila's
daughter on May tenth. Suzanne was helping Sheila to prepare
for the wedding and was eager to watch it online.
Sheila did provide law enforcement with text messages from Suzanne.
On March twenty fifth of twenty twenty, Suzanne said, taking
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care of myself physically in a stressful marriage, and I
had a very tough talk yesterday. She's weary of the
tension here. She knows how he is towards me and
almost begged me to divorce him. Her friend, Sheila asks,
what does he want? Have you talked any more about splitting?
Suzanne said, he threatens, but I've never come out and
said I wanted it. Today he thinks I'm holding on
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till one of the daughters graduates. At least he probably
thinks I'm not strong enough to do it given finances.
Suzanne goes on to say their sixteen year old daughter
suggested a restraining order, and Suzanne said that she was
sick that she had conversations like that with her daughter.
Sheila says, he's nuts. Suzanne replies, I said jekylin hide again.
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Pretty much told him I can't be healthy and stay
in this. Sheila asks, what did he say? Suzanne said,
he threatens to come home and pack. He won't speak
of divorce. There's a footnote. When confronted with this, Barry
didn't remember having that conversation with her. Suzanne said Barry
was begging for another chance, and she says she's torn,
but in my heart, I know who he is. During
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that interview, Sheila also told detective Burgess that she was
so concerned with Barry's behavior that she purchased a spy
pin for Suzanne, which she gave to her in January
of twenty twenty when they met up in Florida. The
device was designed to record conversations covertly. Sheila told FBI
agents in twenty twenty one that Barry called her in
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the summer of nineteen when Suzanne was in Michigan, asking
why Suzanne was not returning his calls. She said he
stalked Suzanne and Sheila at the Puma Pathouse in September
twenty nineteen to see what Suzanne was up to. Barry
was sneaking through the woods, and she also mentions earlier
accounts in Indiana when Barry suspected Suzanne may have a boyfriend,
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and this was before they actually got married. There was
an interview with Suzanne's sister, Melinda. She last talked to
Suzanne May eighth on a text message. She sent Suzanna
text on Mother's Day with no response for the previous
six months. Suzanne texted her sister that things were getting
tense between her and Barry. Suzanne told her she read
realized what a narcissist Barry was and had come to
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terms with his narcissistic ways. She described Barry as somebody
who lives a double life, a liar, an adulterer, a bully,
one who has to have control, cunning fools people a lot,
loves money, and treats his wife and daughters as trophies.
She said Suzanne was a codependent person and dependent on Barry,
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but she said they lived a phony life and would
put on a front as if they were happy. She
did think it was unusual for the daughters to take
a road trip on Mother's Day weekend, especially with the
COVID pandemic ongoing. She got a call from her dad
May eleventh, informing her that Suzanne was missing. November twentieth,
twenty twenty, special agent Grousing spoke to Suzanne's sister about
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a text from May eighth, twenty twenty, at nine to
twenty eight am. Suzanne texted, it's hard dealing with the
harsh abrasiveness and having to show respect. He's also been
abusive emotionally and physically. There is so much. I went
through a period of acceptance and I feel more angry now,
anger at what I've allowed now. Our sister didn't have
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context as to why Suzanne texted that Barry was emotionally
and physically abusive. That was something they had not discussed
and she was surprised to get that text from Suzanne.
But when she found out Suzanne was missing, she was
certain Barry killed her. She said Suzanne was a submissive
housewife to Barry in Indiana, allowing him to control finances,
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and Suzanne's longtime suspicions were that Barry was having affairs.
She thought the reason for moving to Colorado was because
Barry had wanted to for a long time for the hunting.
She thinks Suzanne threw caution to the wind and moved
to try and save the marriage and start over. Her
sister also noted Suzanne inherited approximately two hundred and eight
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thousand dollars from their mother who passed away in twenty thirteen,
and another approximately two hundred and seventeen one thousand dollars
when her grandmother in law passed in twenty sixteen. They
move on to notes from Suzanne's phone. They got the
files from Suzanne's phone on July seventh of twenty twenty.
Those notes were found backed up to the iCloud on
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May eighth. The list, it says monkey app which functions
as a dating website, physical abuse, mental abuse, while drinking
on New Year's Eve, name calling and said I only
needed him for the money. Women on Facebook good for
business lies about deer, and then it says pants unzipped
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Tripp to Colorado pen on hand, white bear claw and
a FaceTime in Arizona. Angry stalking Sheila and me in
the house without telling, chased me around the resort and threatened,
took phone. Not safe alone with you can't be trusted.
Oppressive slams on brakes when angry, threatens to jump out
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of the car, gun shaming, guilt daily for not meeting expectations.
Nothing to do with infidelity, everything to do with your
character and who you are at core. Your lack of
control over me equals insecurities, which equals a sick relationship,
a situation with somebody whose name is redacted. When I'm
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in slash, accuse me of going behind your back, got
up and left redacted and me at the table, left plate,
no comment, just to watch TV. Acts like I'm intruding
in the garage. Verbal abuse, writing checks for cash out
of the business account, wiring money from investment account without
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asking or discussing money is in your name only, pulling
redacted's hair I'm assuming maybe a daughter and hurting her.
Left two times on treatment weeks. Bedroom profession about marrying,
having babies and sleeping together. Don't care about pregnancy possibilities,
hot tub talking to self with a question mark, accused
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me of boyfriend and something that is redacted. May six
of twenty twenty, knew I was looking at phone in
Bonus with a question mark. Next up is the May six,
twenty twenty message to Barry saying she was done and
let's handle this civilly. Barry likely swiped this off of
his screen, and that swiped image was inadvertently saved. However,
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it was not recovered in Suzanne or Barry's phones. Upon
recovery of Suzanne's spypin, special agent Grousing and special agent
Kenneth Harris began prioritizing anyone named Jeff in Suzanne's social media,
phone records or other accounts.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
On the pen.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Suzanne spoke to an unknown male named Jeff while she
was in Florida as if he was her lover, but
no last name or phone number was provided. After months
of investigation and after working through a list of about
twenty or more Jeffs possibly associated with Suzanne, they identified
Jeff as a former high school friend of Suzanne's. He
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was later identified and interviewed. He provided the following information.
This interview was on November fourth, twenty twenty. They spoke
with him on the phone and recognized his voice as
being the voice on Suzanne's pen recording. After discussing his
relationship with Suzanne and Jeff talking about their secret meetings,
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he asked to continue the interview in person. He said
after he learned Suzanne went missing, he figured there's no
way she's alive. He said he's not proud about coming forward,
giving his reasons to agents that he has six kids
and a wife and will likely lose his job. When
Suzanne went missing, he thought she was abducted, so he
kept quiet. He stated that as time went by, he
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didn't want her girls to find out. He doesn't think
Barry knew about him and Suzanne or what set him off,
other than the fact that the guy could easily be
set off by anything.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He said. I'm sure you guys know that.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Jeff said he didn't feel like he had anything to
add and didn't want to hurt anybody. He was interviewed
again on November thirteenth, twenty twenty, in an arbor, Michigan.
He said after Suzanne's first message of Howdy Stranger to
him in November of twenty eighteen, they began talking on
the phone. He said he was nervous to talk to
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agents and says what he did was disgraceful. In the
summer after Jeff's first year of college in Indiana, he
attended the party with some friends at Suzanne's house. At
that point, Barry and Suzanne were a couple, but Barry
wasn't at the party. Jeff said he and Suzanne kind
of hooked up, not really at the party. At the time,
Jeff played golf almost daily and Barry worked on the
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golf course. Barry found out about them hooking up at
the party, and upon seeing Jeff on the golf course,
Barry jumped off the tractor and according to Jeff, he
was ready to beat me down. He told Barry, you're
going to lose your job, You're going to lose everything.
He talked him out of it, and that was the
last interaction Jeff had with Barry. Jeff said he did
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not talk to Suzanne until twenty eighteen. Following that night
in Indiana, he said, I'd tell her I carried a
torch for her all the time. They used to FaceTime
to communicate in twenty eighteen, though Jeff's daughter saw one
of their communications in late twenty eighteen and Jeff told
Suzanne they had to stop. They didn't speak until around
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Christmas of twenty eighteen because Jeff deleted Facebook, Instagram, and
all messaging between him and Suzanne. Around Christmas twenty eighteen,
Suzanne found Jeff's LinkedIn account and sent a message with
the words to the effect of I'm worried sick about you.
Are you okay? Jeff responded to the message and they
began talking again. First it was very platonic, but then
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their relationship progressed again. Jeff said they communicated through FaceTime
but did not physically see each other in twenty eighteen.
They communicated on a regular basis from late twenty eighteen
through May ninth of twenty twenty, and she provided him
with numerous reasons why she wanted to leave Barry between
February twenty nineteen. In February twenty twenty, Jeff and Suzanne
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met each other in New Orleans, Florida, Indianapolis, Michigan, Dallas,
and then again in Florida. During the last five trips,
they stayed in hotels, they talked, shared mills, and they
had consensual sex. Jeff had not traveled to Colorado to
see Suzanne partly because Suzanne said Barry had surveillance cameras
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all around the house. Jeff stated, here's what she told
me about her relationship with Barry. Not good, lots of fights,
very argumentative, and she felt like it was horrible for
her health and her mental health. Jeff asked Suzanne if
she felt afraid Barry would hurt her, and she answered,
he would never cross that line he's learned. He took
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that to mean something had happened physically at one time
to Suzanne, whether Barry shoved her or hit her. Agents
asked Jeff when Susan Zann first said she loved him,
and he replied she told him that. In twenty eighteen,
they discussed they were soulmates and meant for each other.
Eventually they exchanged words of love to one another. Jeff
explained they were soulmates because of their approaches to the
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world and to people. He said Suzanne treated people well,
not simply for social stare climbing or status benefits. He
was striving to be that same type of person. He stated.
He was not a good person, though he was horrible
for having this relationship with Suzanne. When agents asked Jeff
how Suzanne took steps to be careful about Barry knowing
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about her travel activities. He said when Barry called, he
would leave the room. This happened once in Suzanne's hotel
room in New Orleans. Agents asked Jeff what other steps
they took to conceal their relationship from Barry. He said,
we talked all the time about protect for the kids,
for the family, all that stuff. Suzanne knew, and Jeff
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was going to be working in his car, and he
never initiated conversation with a phone call or a text.
They would communicate through his LinkedIn account in twenty nineteen
to determine when they could FaceTime. Agents asked if Suzanne
ever spoke about leaving Barry.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He said her plan was to get their daughter.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Out of the house and to college before she would
probably go out on her own. They talked about one
day being together. She told Jeff this wasn't about him,
It's about her getting away.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
He said.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Suzanne was not happy and mentally she just couldn't take
it and it was wearing her out. Jeff had a
corporate LinkedIn account, and he created a second account to
use to communicate with Suzanne. They stopped talking on the
phone in December of twenty nineteen, and then he deleted
his second LinkedIn account after Suzanne disappeared when he thought
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she was abducted. He said he didn't want her legacy
to be she had an affair with this guy. In
December of twenty nineteen, they stopped talking over the phone
because Suzanne said they couldn't anymore. She said, Barry watches
everything I do, and I'm afraid he's gonna find out.
Suzanne did mention an incident when she was on the
beach in Mexico listening to music on her phone and
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Barry was suspicious. Suzanne told Jeff that she handed her
phone to Barry and said, do whatever you want, go
through it. They did use WhatsApp because they could talk
and leave messages, but there was no phone record of that.
He didn't think there would be any call records of
them talking past December twenty nineteen. In October of twenty nineteen,
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he had a sales meeting in Dallas and Suzanne was
traveling to Phoenix. She left a day early and went
through Dallas and stayed at the same hotel as Jeff.
They spent two nights at the hotel together and Suzanne
was going to the Phoenix conference to become a certified
fitness instructor, with the mindset of what am I going
to do if I leave him? She talked to him
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about Barry's moods and his anger, saying, as long as
he gets what he wants, everything's fine. Jeff said that
he and Suzanne had a mutual understanding not to dive
too much into the problems they had with their spouses.
Jeff knew Suzanne had discussions with the name is redacted
in March or April twenty twenty about separating from Barry
and getting a divorce. Suzanne told Barry, I just want peace,
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and said she wanted it to be peaceful for the girls.
Jeff thought in February of twenty twenty, Suzanne was wanting
to break out on her own, but still wanted to
wait until their daughter graduated. Jeff said Suzanne felt some
sort of shame that she had so much material wise,
so she spoke with him about life transformation. Barry held
the huge houses in the range rovers over her head,
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and he would tell her things like I provide these
things for you. You have the greatest life. You have everything,
a million dollar home, you have range rovers. Jeff said
that they never made concrete plans, but she did tell
him several times. When she did leave Barry, she would
go without contacting Jeff for a while. Suzanne says she
wasn't doing this for Jeff, but for herself. He said
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her talk of leaving Barry was like a wave with
a higher frequency of waves. Suzanne had faith God would
provide for her and she would figure it out. He
did not know she had an inheritance until he read
about it in the media. Between March and May of
twenty twenty, he and Suzanne talked a lot about mountain biking,
and he looked at the trails online in Colorado, and
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sometimes they talked before Suzanne went for her ride. Suzanne
would put her bike in her car on her way
to the trailheads, and it wasn't often that she rode
in her own neighborhood. She normally rode in the evenings
for about half an hour or forty minutes. The first
week of May twenty twenty, Suzanne told Jeff the girls
were going on a camping trip that weekend. Jeff told
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investigators anytime Suzanne was alone with Barry, she dreaded it
she did not want to be alone with him, and
Barry refused to go to counseling, though Suzanne offered to.
Barry would tell Suzanne, you just need to be who
you were to me and everything will be fine. Jeff
said he thought two things could have happened to Suzanne.
That Barry either learned about them and snapped, or maybe
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she told him she was going to leave. Agents asked
Jeff what Barry's reaction was when Suzanne mentioned she wanted
to separate, and Jeff responded he was very much against it,
She would say, because he wants everything to look perfect
on the outside. Jeff didn't think Suzanne initially reached out
to him with the intention of having a boyfriend. He
described Suzanne as beautiful, kind, someone who treated other people well,
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and she was a good listener. Those were the traits
that attracted him to her.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
He said.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Suzanne is naive in some ways because she assumed the
best of people and did not see what lies beneath.
While Suzanne lived in Indiana with Barry, he acted suspiciously
like he was having an affair, Jeff said, and then
I can tell you too. She over the last year
she was like I'd love for him to find a
new girlfriend and just get out, he said, So long
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as Suzanne gratified Barry sexually, it was fine. He said,
I don't think she was deriving a lot of pleasure
out of things. When agents asked if he thought that
or knew it, he said, I know. She said, it's
not pleasurable. Suzanne told him that she would not completely
starve Barry of sex. Agents did confirm with Jeff that
he no longer had the phone.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
He used to speak to Suzanne with.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He said, in June of twenty twenty, he dropped his
phone on his stone steps and the face plate shattered.
He sent the phone to his company and they sent
him a replacement, and the phone that was sent by
his company had all of the same apps on it
as his previous phone, but none of those personal apps.
He did provide consent forms for his DNA re phone
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records and the logins for his social media accounts. Law
enforcement served search warrants for LinkedIn and WhatsApp, and received
records for Suzanne's LinkedIn account that included roos and text
messages she shared with Jeff. Law enforcement also served warrants
on the Verizon account for Jeff, and the following data
was collected. Number one from LinkedIn, Jeff and Suzanne sent
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fifty nine communications to each other on Saturday, May ninth.
The last outgoing message from Suzanne was at two to
eleven PM, when she messaged I'm on WhatsApp. Jeff responded
at two thirty nine PM, two forty six pm, and
two forty seven PM, and Suzanne did not answer. He
also sent messages on May tenth and May eleventh that
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weren't answered. Number two Verizon records contained seven hundred and
thirty eight calls between Jeff and Suzanne's number between October
twenty eighteen and December twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Suzanne called Jeff seventy.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Four times under international calls from the Cayman Islands between
January fourteenth through the eighteenth in twenty nineteen. On December eighteenth,
twenty twenty, agents contacted Jeff by phone and showed him
some of the results of the LinkedIn messaging and photos
between him and Suzanne on May ninth of twenty twenty.
On May ninth, Suzanne sent a message to Jeff at
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eleven forty two am that stated, guess who's alone again?
He told agents that message meant they were free to talk,
and that Suzanne wasn't surprised Barry left her home alone.
From referencing the LinkedIn messages before and after, he doesn't
believe they used WhatsApp that time or later that day.
They show the photo that Suzanne sent to Jeff at
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two oh three pm on May the ninth in a
footnote the FBI agents showed this photo to Barry multiple
times in March and April of twenty twenty one, since
it may be the last proof of life independent of Barry.
Jeff messaged Suzanne at two forty six pm on the ninth, Hey,
your weather looks great. That may have been in reference
to the picture she sent earlier, or Jeff checking conditions
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in Colorado through the Internet. Suzanne never as I heard
that message or subsequent messages by Jeff wishing her a
happy Mother's Day. On May tenth, following the interview, Jeffson
agents a screenshot of his credit card charges for his
Costco wholesale credit card for May twenty twenty. They found
he was in Michigan using his credit card at the
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time Suzanne disappeared, which which obviously ruled him out as
a suspect, so we are going to end there. We
will pick back up maybe the day after tomorrow, but
that is it for today. Hope you guys have a
good rest of your afternoon and we will see you
soon
What You Know, Alibiers. Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis. I'm Jigi. It's Monday, September twenty second.
I didn't get to do as many episodes as I wanted.
Last week Grammy was readmitted to the hospital, but some
good news. She had her cardio version on Friday and
has just done a one point eighty and is doing
so much better. So thank you guys for the prayers
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and the well wishes. They have worked. I had the
funeral for my friend Taekwana on Saturday, and then yesterday
I celebrated my forty eighth birthday, which was the best
birthday I've had yet.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But this week y'all were full force.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Today we're going to keep going on this very more
few document that was filed with his latest arrest. I
am thinking about picking up this David story, the man
who went viral on TikTok and subsequently they found his
sixteen year old girlfriend's decomposing body in a trunk. I
would like to start researching that this afternoon and do
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a what we Know so far episode. As far as
I know, he hasn't been arrested, so this is going
to be one to watch but let's jump into more
few So just a trigger warning on this. I know
some people are very sensitive to this kind of thing,
so if you are a little squeamish about autopsy stuff,
you may want to fast forward just about a minute.
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Although this is mainly skeletal remains, so there wasn't anything
super graphic in the description, but it is a human
being named Suzanne Morphew and what they found when they
found her remains. They received three large paper bags containing bones,
seven brown paper bags containing clothes, and seven envelopes containing
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items to be described. The three large paper bags contained
multiple human and non human bones, fragments, dirt, and a
wood fragment. They recovered the skull with the lower jawbone,
the sacrum, which is the bone at the very base
of the spine, multiple ribs, long arm bones from both sides,
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the breastbone and the sternum, the right shoulder blade, the collarbone,
left and right femurs, which are the big bones at
the top of your leg, the right and left lower
leg bones, and multiple vertebrae. In the seven brown paper bags,
they found a pale patterned ski mask, a pink and
light colored leather work glove, light colored partial padded bra
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a ripped dark gray and blue hooded sweatshirt labeled crusted butte,
a torn green Nike tank top, yetti shorts, and a
fabric fragment. The clothing and fabric fragment are all weathered
and covered in dirt. They did keep one weathered bullet
and released three teeth for DNA testing. They took a
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fragment of the femur and the femur head for toxicology
testing prior to release for forensic anthropology examination. Those results
are later on in the document, and we will get
to those once they're building their case against Barry Morphew.
In a May eleven interview done by Sergeant Hiss Julian,
they spoke with one of Suzanne and Barry's daughters. She
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said Suzanne wrote religious devotionals in a journal, and as
for the daughter's bedroom, where the sheets were found to
be off the bed, she said her bed is always
made and then described the color of the bedding. This
next part wasn't clear if this is the same daughter
or the other daughter, but she admitted that her parents
argued a lot and she feared they would separate or divorce.
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She said they were not doing well, and maybe it
was for the best they would separate, and that they
were both in an unsafe place emotionally. They argued and
they get into fights. She said, Suzanne and Barry both
have just not felt safe. At some point, they weren't
getting along and had discussed divorce. In a footnote, it
says in multiple FBI interviews in twenty twenty one, Barry
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denied they ever discussed divorce. She said she didn't look
at any text messages on her parents' phones, and in
the footnote, it says that this kind dis Barry's repeated
assertions to CBI that he deleted arguments between him and
Suzanne on his phone because his daughters always looked at
his phone. When asked if it were possible that Suzanne
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left because she didn't feel safe, the daughter said her
mom wouldn't leave her. She would have contacted her or
her sister to let them know she was okay. Her
and her sister were headed home on May tenth with
a friend, but there was no plans for them to
actually stay at the Morphew home. The daughter said Susanne
always carried her phone and kept a charging cable by
the nightstand and in a footnote, it says when the
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residence was searched, law enforcement did not locate a charging
cable on either nightstand back to an interview with the
couple that went over to the house initially, Missus Ridder
said one of the daughters contacted her and her husband
on May tenth, twenty twenty, because she couldn't reach Suzanne.
She asked them to go to the house to check
on her. Missus Ridder could not locate Suzanne at the house,
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so she called Barry and told him what happened, and
Barry asked Missus Ridder to look for Suzanne's bike and
to call nine one one if she didn't locate Suzanne.
She went back to the house to look again, and
then her husband called nine one one to report Suzanne missing.
Mister Ritter sent his wife back to the residence to
leave a few notes posted just in case Suzanne returned.
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Moving on to Barry's interview on May eleventh, twenty twenty,
he said he left his residence at five am on
May tenth to travel to Broomfield, Colorado for a construction job.
In the footnote, it says that Barry's phone entered airplane
mode at four thirty two am, and he altered his
numerous prior accounts to law enforcement to match phone and
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truck evidence. When speaking to FBI agents later on in
April of twenty twenty one, Barry said he turned left
on Highway fifty when leaving his house, which is the
opposite direction to Broomfield, and he said he did so
because he saw a bull elk crossing the road. Barry
pointed to an area on Google Maps the indicated he
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turned his truck around at an exit in Garfield, Colorado,
which is about five miles in the opposite direction that
his trip should have taken him. He said he did
not speak to Suzanne that morning because she was still
asleep when he left. His two daughters were coming home
that day from a camping trip. He texted Suzanne to
wish her a happy Mother's Day and got no response,
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and he said possibly due to poor cel reception. He
again tried later that morning with no response, and then
texted his daughters, who also said they could not reach Suzanne.
Very specifically provided his route of travel to Broomfield, and
in all subsequent interviews he never stated he turned west
on Highway fifty. In a footnote, it says that Suzanne's
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helmet was discovered off the south side of Highway fifty
west of the County Road two twenty five entrants that
leads into the mor fused Puma Path residence. Suzanne's plan
for May tenth was to clean the house and get
the spare bedrooms ready for their daughter and possibly a
friend to visit. He said Suzanne rides her mountain bike
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every day and also mentioned Suzanne had been diagnosed with
cancer twice and beat it. He said he owned firearms
and the firearms and AMMO are stored in a locked
gun safe in the garage. In the report, it says
it should be noted on May eleventh, while law enforcement
searched the residence, two firearms located were not in a
gun safe. A high powered rifle was located in a
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closet on the ground floor. The rifle was spray painted
in a cameo pattern and law enforcement could not locate
a serial number. A twelve gage shotgun was found lying
against the wall in a garage. Also, a loaded twenty
two caliber long rifle cartridge was located lying on the
floor of the master bedroom near the right side of
the bed. After this interview, ended. Barry was told as
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truck would be seized for processing. May eleventh, the search
of the puma path resonance, they found what appeared to
be suspected blood on the apron of the garage. To
the east side of the three car garage, there was
also a Bobcat skid steer parked in the parking area
west of the Morphy residence. Next to the Bobcat was
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a flatbed trailer. The trailer was in the tilt position.
The trailer bed had some loose gravel and dirt on it.
The trailer did not have a jack on it, and
the tongue of the trailer was lying on the ground.
The skid steer was parked to the left side near
the trailer tongue. The items were positioned such that the
skid steer bucket appeared to have been used to unhitch
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the trailer from a vehicle, most likely Burry's truck, and
then set the trailer on the ground. Law enforcement noticed
the cutting edge of the skid steer bucket had been
recently replaced, so there was no wear on it. Also
noted were several large bolts and nuts lying on the
skid steer bucket and on the front end of the
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trailer bed. In a footnote, it says in a news
story that aired on Fox twenty one August twenty first,
twenty twenty, Berry stated that he had an inconsistency with
one timeline. I was only because when I just didn't
know the time that I did something a mechanical thing
to my bobcap. I was confused and I just found
out my wife was missing. Moving on to the CBI
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crime scene report, the interior of Barry's truck was cluttered
with several personal items. The interior dash area was dusty
and dirty. In a footnote, the interior condition of his
truck conflicts with his subsequent statements to CBI and the
FBI that the purposes of his five trash runs in
Broomfield were to clean out his truck. As far as
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Suzanne's white Range Rover, they found personal items, including her
driver's license and credit card, and items were removed by sections,
photographed and placed on butcher paper. Some of the other
items inside of her car collected included a woman's jacket
and a knit cap, pairs of sunglasses, a key in
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the glove compartment, a camelback, and there is a footnote
that says on Suzanne's Instagram pictures of her riding her
bike have her blue camelback water pack visible, making it
unlikely she would have taken a BikeE ride without it.
They also found sunglasses in the front passenger seat, spa
chemicals on the front passenger floorboard, and a Scott Bicycle
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receipt in the front driver door. Regarding the tranquilizer dark
cap that was found, it says a plastic needle cover
was located in the dryer drum. This was collected by
the Chafey County Sheriff's Office along with different items from
different areas. The needle cover was recovered with sheets from
the daughter's bed inside the dryer. Section two's Suzanne's attempts
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to leave Barry and her affair. Suzanne told numerous close friends,
her daughters, and Barry that she wanted out of her marriage,
yet Barry refused to listen to her. She suspected Barry
of having affairs for years and kept her affair very
secretive to protect her daughters as well as her boyfriend's family.
A small portion of interviews and evidence of her attempts
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to leave Barry and her affair follows, there was an
interview with Sheila Oliver. She was interviewed via telephone. She's
Suzanne's best friend who lives in Philadelphia, and they were
in constant contact through texts and snapchats until May the ninth.
She said Suzanne would promptly check her snapchat and she
was worried Suzanne did not read three messages from her
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May ninth, at six forty pm and six forty eight pm.
Suzanne had been very excited about the wedding of Sheila's
daughter on May tenth. Suzanne was helping Sheila to prepare
for the wedding and was eager to watch it online.
Sheila did provide law enforcement with text messages from Suzanne.
On March twenty fifth of twenty twenty, Suzanne said, taking
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care of myself physically in a stressful marriage, and I
had a very tough talk yesterday. She's weary of the
tension here. She knows how he is towards me and
almost begged me to divorce him. Her friend, Sheila asks,
what does he want? Have you talked any more about splitting?
Suzanne said, he threatens, but I've never come out and
said I wanted it. Today he thinks I'm holding on
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till one of the daughters graduates. At least he probably
thinks I'm not strong enough to do it given finances.
Suzanne goes on to say their sixteen year old daughter
suggested a restraining order, and Suzanne said that she was
sick that she had conversations like that with her daughter.
Sheila says, he's nuts. Suzanne replies, I said jekylin hide again.
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Pretty much told him I can't be healthy and stay
in this. Sheila asks, what did he say? Suzanne said,
he threatens to come home and pack. He won't speak
of divorce. There's a footnote. When confronted with this, Barry
didn't remember having that conversation with her. Suzanne said Barry
was begging for another chance, and she says she's torn,
but in my heart, I know who he is. During
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that interview, Sheila also told detective Burgess that she was
so concerned with Barry's behavior that she purchased a spy
pin for Suzanne, which she gave to her in January
of twenty twenty when they met up in Florida. The
device was designed to record conversations covertly. Sheila told FBI
agents in twenty twenty one that Barry called her in
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the summer of nineteen when Suzanne was in Michigan, asking
why Suzanne was not returning his calls. She said he
stalked Suzanne and Sheila at the Puma Pathouse in September
twenty nineteen to see what Suzanne was up to. Barry
was sneaking through the woods, and she also mentions earlier
accounts in Indiana when Barry suspected Suzanne may have a boyfriend,
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and this was before they actually got married. There was
an interview with Suzanne's sister, Melinda. She last talked to
Suzanne May eighth on a text message. She sent Suzanna
text on Mother's Day with no response for the previous
six months. Suzanne texted her sister that things were getting
tense between her and Barry. Suzanne told her she read
realized what a narcissist Barry was and had come to
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terms with his narcissistic ways. She described Barry as somebody
who lives a double life, a liar, an adulterer, a bully,
one who has to have control, cunning fools people a lot,
loves money, and treats his wife and daughters as trophies.
She said Suzanne was a codependent person and dependent on Barry,
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but she said they lived a phony life and would
put on a front as if they were happy. She
did think it was unusual for the daughters to take
a road trip on Mother's Day weekend, especially with the
COVID pandemic ongoing. She got a call from her dad
May eleventh, informing her that Suzanne was missing. November twentieth,
twenty twenty, special agent Grousing spoke to Suzanne's sister about
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a text from May eighth, twenty twenty, at nine to
twenty eight am. Suzanne texted, it's hard dealing with the
harsh abrasiveness and having to show respect. He's also been
abusive emotionally and physically. There is so much. I went
through a period of acceptance and I feel more angry now,
anger at what I've allowed now. Our sister didn't have
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context as to why Suzanne texted that Barry was emotionally
and physically abusive. That was something they had not discussed
and she was surprised to get that text from Suzanne.
But when she found out Suzanne was missing, she was
certain Barry killed her. She said Suzanne was a submissive
housewife to Barry in Indiana, allowing him to control finances,
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and Suzanne's longtime suspicions were that Barry was having affairs.
She thought the reason for moving to Colorado was because
Barry had wanted to for a long time for the hunting.
She thinks Suzanne threw caution to the wind and moved
to try and save the marriage and start over. Her
sister also noted Suzanne inherited approximately two hundred and eight
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thousand dollars from their mother who passed away in twenty thirteen,
and another approximately two hundred and seventeen one thousand dollars
when her grandmother in law passed in twenty sixteen. They
move on to notes from Suzanne's phone. They got the
files from Suzanne's phone on July seventh of twenty twenty.
Those notes were found backed up to the iCloud on
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May eighth. The list, it says monkey app which functions
as a dating website, physical abuse, mental abuse, while drinking
on New Year's Eve, name calling and said I only
needed him for the money. Women on Facebook good for
business lies about deer, and then it says pants unzipped
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Tripp to Colorado pen on hand, white bear claw and
a FaceTime in Arizona. Angry stalking Sheila and me in
the house without telling, chased me around the resort and threatened,
took phone. Not safe alone with you can't be trusted.
Oppressive slams on brakes when angry, threatens to jump out
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of the car, gun shaming, guilt daily for not meeting expectations.
Nothing to do with infidelity, everything to do with your
character and who you are at core. Your lack of
control over me equals insecurities, which equals a sick relationship,
a situation with somebody whose name is redacted. When I'm
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in slash, accuse me of going behind your back, got
up and left redacted and me at the table, left plate,
no comment, just to watch TV. Acts like I'm intruding
in the garage. Verbal abuse, writing checks for cash out
of the business account, wiring money from investment account without
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asking or discussing money is in your name only, pulling
redacted's hair I'm assuming maybe a daughter and hurting her.
Left two times on treatment weeks. Bedroom profession about marrying,
having babies and sleeping together. Don't care about pregnancy possibilities,
hot tub talking to self with a question mark, accused
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me of boyfriend and something that is redacted. May six
of twenty twenty, knew I was looking at phone in
Bonus with a question mark. Next up is the May six,
twenty twenty message to Barry saying she was done and
let's handle this civilly. Barry likely swiped this off of
his screen, and that swiped image was inadvertently saved. However,
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it was not recovered in Suzanne or Barry's phones. Upon
recovery of Suzanne's spypin, special agent Grousing and special agent
Kenneth Harris began prioritizing anyone named Jeff in Suzanne's social media,
phone records or other accounts.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
On the pen.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Suzanne spoke to an unknown male named Jeff while she
was in Florida as if he was her lover, but
no last name or phone number was provided. After months
of investigation and after working through a list of about
twenty or more Jeffs possibly associated with Suzanne, they identified
Jeff as a former high school friend of Suzanne's. He
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was later identified and interviewed. He provided the following information.
This interview was on November fourth, twenty twenty. They spoke
with him on the phone and recognized his voice as
being the voice on Suzanne's pen recording. After discussing his
relationship with Suzanne and Jeff talking about their secret meetings,
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he asked to continue the interview in person. He said
after he learned Suzanne went missing, he figured there's no
way she's alive. He said he's not proud about coming forward,
giving his reasons to agents that he has six kids
and a wife and will likely lose his job. When
Suzanne went missing, he thought she was abducted, so he
kept quiet. He stated that as time went by, he
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didn't want her girls to find out. He doesn't think
Barry knew about him and Suzanne or what set him off,
other than the fact that the guy could easily be
set off by anything.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He said. I'm sure you guys know that.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Jeff said he didn't feel like he had anything to
add and didn't want to hurt anybody. He was interviewed
again on November thirteenth, twenty twenty, in an arbor, Michigan.
He said after Suzanne's first message of Howdy Stranger to
him in November of twenty eighteen, they began talking on
the phone. He said he was nervous to talk to
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agents and says what he did was disgraceful. In the
summer after Jeff's first year of college in Indiana, he
attended the party with some friends at Suzanne's house. At
that point, Barry and Suzanne were a couple, but Barry
wasn't at the party. Jeff said he and Suzanne kind
of hooked up, not really at the party. At the time,
Jeff played golf almost daily and Barry worked on the
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golf course. Barry found out about them hooking up at
the party, and upon seeing Jeff on the golf course,
Barry jumped off the tractor and according to Jeff, he
was ready to beat me down. He told Barry, you're
going to lose your job, You're going to lose everything.
He talked him out of it, and that was the
last interaction Jeff had with Barry. Jeff said he did
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not talk to Suzanne until twenty eighteen. Following that night
in Indiana, he said, I'd tell her I carried a
torch for her all the time. They used to FaceTime
to communicate in twenty eighteen, though Jeff's daughter saw one
of their communications in late twenty eighteen and Jeff told
Suzanne they had to stop. They didn't speak until around
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Christmas of twenty eighteen because Jeff deleted Facebook, Instagram, and
all messaging between him and Suzanne. Around Christmas twenty eighteen,
Suzanne found Jeff's LinkedIn account and sent a message with
the words to the effect of I'm worried sick about you.
Are you okay? Jeff responded to the message and they
began talking again. First it was very platonic, but then
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their relationship progressed again. Jeff said they communicated through FaceTime
but did not physically see each other in twenty eighteen.
They communicated on a regular basis from late twenty eighteen
through May ninth of twenty twenty, and she provided him
with numerous reasons why she wanted to leave Barry between
February twenty nineteen. In February twenty twenty, Jeff and Suzanne
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met each other in New Orleans, Florida, Indianapolis, Michigan, Dallas,
and then again in Florida. During the last five trips,
they stayed in hotels, they talked, shared mills, and they
had consensual sex. Jeff had not traveled to Colorado to
see Suzanne partly because Suzanne said Barry had surveillance cameras
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all around the house. Jeff stated, here's what she told
me about her relationship with Barry. Not good, lots of fights,
very argumentative, and she felt like it was horrible for
her health and her mental health. Jeff asked Suzanne if
she felt afraid Barry would hurt her, and she answered,
he would never cross that line he's learned. He took
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that to mean something had happened physically at one time
to Suzanne, whether Barry shoved her or hit her. Agents
asked Jeff when Susan Zann first said she loved him,
and he replied she told him that. In twenty eighteen,
they discussed they were soulmates and meant for each other.
Eventually they exchanged words of love to one another. Jeff
explained they were soulmates because of their approaches to the
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world and to people. He said Suzanne treated people well,
not simply for social stare climbing or status benefits. He
was striving to be that same type of person. He stated.
He was not a good person, though he was horrible
for having this relationship with Suzanne. When agents asked Jeff
how Suzanne took steps to be careful about Barry knowing
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about her travel activities. He said when Barry called, he
would leave the room. This happened once in Suzanne's hotel
room in New Orleans. Agents asked Jeff what other steps
they took to conceal their relationship from Barry. He said,
we talked all the time about protect for the kids,
for the family, all that stuff. Suzanne knew, and Jeff
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was going to be working in his car, and he
never initiated conversation with a phone call or a text.
They would communicate through his LinkedIn account in twenty nineteen
to determine when they could FaceTime. Agents asked if Suzanne
ever spoke about leaving Barry.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He said her plan was to get their daughter.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Out of the house and to college before she would
probably go out on her own. They talked about one
day being together. She told Jeff this wasn't about him,
It's about her getting away.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
He said.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Suzanne was not happy and mentally she just couldn't take
it and it was wearing her out. Jeff had a
corporate LinkedIn account, and he created a second account to
use to communicate with Suzanne. They stopped talking on the
phone in December of twenty nineteen, and then he deleted
his second LinkedIn account after Suzanne disappeared when he thought
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she was abducted. He said he didn't want her legacy
to be she had an affair with this guy. In
December of twenty nineteen, they stopped talking over the phone
because Suzanne said they couldn't anymore. She said, Barry watches
everything I do, and I'm afraid he's gonna find out.
Suzanne did mention an incident when she was on the
beach in Mexico listening to music on her phone and
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Barry was suspicious. Suzanne told Jeff that she handed her
phone to Barry and said, do whatever you want, go
through it. They did use WhatsApp because they could talk
and leave messages, but there was no phone record of that.
He didn't think there would be any call records of
them talking past December twenty nineteen. In October of twenty nineteen,
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he had a sales meeting in Dallas and Suzanne was
traveling to Phoenix. She left a day early and went
through Dallas and stayed at the same hotel as Jeff.
They spent two nights at the hotel together and Suzanne
was going to the Phoenix conference to become a certified
fitness instructor, with the mindset of what am I going
to do if I leave him? She talked to him
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about Barry's moods and his anger, saying, as long as
he gets what he wants, everything's fine. Jeff said that
he and Suzanne had a mutual understanding not to dive
too much into the problems they had with their spouses.
Jeff knew Suzanne had discussions with the name is redacted
in March or April twenty twenty about separating from Barry
and getting a divorce. Suzanne told Barry, I just want peace,
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and said she wanted it to be peaceful for the girls.
Jeff thought in February of twenty twenty, Suzanne was wanting
to break out on her own, but still wanted to
wait until their daughter graduated. Jeff said Suzanne felt some
sort of shame that she had so much material wise,
so she spoke with him about life transformation. Barry held
the huge houses in the range rovers over her head,
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and he would tell her things like I provide these
things for you. You have the greatest life. You have everything,
a million dollar home, you have range rovers. Jeff said
that they never made concrete plans, but she did tell
him several times. When she did leave Barry, she would
go without contacting Jeff for a while. Suzanne says she
wasn't doing this for Jeff, but for herself. He said
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her talk of leaving Barry was like a wave with
a higher frequency of waves. Suzanne had faith God would
provide for her and she would figure it out. He
did not know she had an inheritance until he read
about it in the media. Between March and May of
twenty twenty, he and Suzanne talked a lot about mountain biking,
and he looked at the trails online in Colorado, and
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sometimes they talked before Suzanne went for her ride. Suzanne
would put her bike in her car on her way
to the trailheads, and it wasn't often that she rode
in her own neighborhood. She normally rode in the evenings
for about half an hour or forty minutes. The first
week of May twenty twenty, Suzanne told Jeff the girls
were going on a camping trip that weekend. Jeff told
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investigators anytime Suzanne was alone with Barry, she dreaded it
she did not want to be alone with him, and
Barry refused to go to counseling, though Suzanne offered to.
Barry would tell Suzanne, you just need to be who
you were to me and everything will be fine. Jeff
said he thought two things could have happened to Suzanne.
That Barry either learned about them and snapped, or maybe
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she told him she was going to leave. Agents asked
Jeff what Barry's reaction was when Suzanne mentioned she wanted
to separate, and Jeff responded he was very much against it,
She would say, because he wants everything to look perfect
on the outside. Jeff didn't think Suzanne initially reached out
to him with the intention of having a boyfriend. He
described Suzanne as beautiful, kind, someone who treated other people well,
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and she was a good listener. Those were the traits
that attracted him to her.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
He said.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Suzanne is naive in some ways because she assumed the
best of people and did not see what lies beneath.
While Suzanne lived in Indiana with Barry, he acted suspiciously
like he was having an affair, Jeff said, and then
I can tell you too. She over the last year
she was like I'd love for him to find a
new girlfriend and just get out, he said, So long
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as Suzanne gratified Barry sexually, it was fine. He said,
I don't think she was deriving a lot of pleasure
out of things. When agents asked if he thought that
or knew it, he said, I know. She said, it's
not pleasurable. Suzanne told him that she would not completely
starve Barry of sex. Agents did confirm with Jeff that
he no longer had the phone.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
He used to speak to Suzanne with.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He said, in June of twenty twenty, he dropped his
phone on his stone steps and the face plate shattered.
He sent the phone to his company and they sent
him a replacement, and the phone that was sent by
his company had all of the same apps on it
as his previous phone, but none of those personal apps.
He did provide consent forms for his DNA re phone
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records and the logins for his social media accounts. Law
enforcement served search warrants for LinkedIn and WhatsApp, and received
records for Suzanne's LinkedIn account that included roos and text
messages she shared with Jeff. Law enforcement also served warrants
on the Verizon account for Jeff, and the following data
was collected. Number one from LinkedIn, Jeff and Suzanne sent
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fifty nine communications to each other on Saturday, May ninth.
The last outgoing message from Suzanne was at two to
eleven PM, when she messaged I'm on WhatsApp. Jeff responded
at two thirty nine PM, two forty six pm, and
two forty seven PM, and Suzanne did not answer. He
also sent messages on May tenth and May eleventh that
(30:34):
weren't answered. Number two Verizon records contained seven hundred and
thirty eight calls between Jeff and Suzanne's number between October
twenty eighteen and December twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Suzanne called Jeff seventy.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Four times under international calls from the Cayman Islands between
January fourteenth through the eighteenth in twenty nineteen. On December eighteenth,
twenty twenty, agents contacted Jeff by phone and showed him
some of the results of the LinkedIn messaging and photos
between him and Suzanne on May ninth of twenty twenty.
On May ninth, Suzanne sent a message to Jeff at
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eleven forty two am that stated, guess who's alone again?
He told agents that message meant they were free to talk,
and that Suzanne wasn't surprised Barry left her home alone.
From referencing the LinkedIn messages before and after, he doesn't
believe they used WhatsApp that time or later that day.
They show the photo that Suzanne sent to Jeff at
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two oh three pm on May the ninth in a
footnote the FBI agents showed this photo to Barry multiple
times in March and April of twenty twenty one, since
it may be the last proof of life independent of Barry.
Jeff messaged Suzanne at two forty six pm on the ninth, Hey,
your weather looks great. That may have been in reference
to the picture she sent earlier, or Jeff checking conditions
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in Colorado through the Internet. Suzanne never as I heard
that message or subsequent messages by Jeff wishing her a
happy Mother's Day. On May tenth, following the interview, Jeffson
agents a screenshot of his credit card charges for his
Costco wholesale credit card for May twenty twenty. They found
he was in Michigan using his credit card at the
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time Suzanne disappeared, which which obviously ruled him out as
a suspect, so we are going to end there. We
will pick back up maybe the day after tomorrow, but
that is it for today. Hope you guys have a
good rest of your afternoon and we will see you
soon
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