P&S ModCast 432 - Slip2000 - Primary & Secondary Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
And we are live. Hey everyone, Matt Landfa here with
Primary and Secondary. Welcome to Moodcast. Today's episode is well,
it's first off, let's tell you the date, because sometimes
that's important. July first, twenty twenty five. The episode number
is four thirty two. I have a four to thirty
two in my pocket as we speak, one of the
Ultra carries. I really like that little revolver. It's cool.

(00:25):
Bobby Boonie and Day.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Who's that Bobby Boonie and Day?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
He gets one point something million dollars every July first
until like twenty thirty five is part of whole contract.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Nice, I want that kind of a thing.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Was set. Yeah, So the topic we're going to talk
about slip two thousand. Now we have We've discussed loobs,
firearms lubrication for those of you that don't like this terminology,
we've discussed it in the group. There have been some
very interesting discussions, and it's really died down and it

(01:05):
seems like people really haven't been talking about it. I
wouldn't be surprised in the next several years if it
comes back into being hot topic. We've had at least
one episode with as a matter of fact, I need
to get Ashton on here. We've had at least one

(01:27):
episode where we talked with a specific brand and talk
to the owner of the company. It was interesting. I
have had a tribologist on with us, interesting discussion. The
problem that I had with that specific discussion is I
didn't have firsthand experience with the product we were discussing.
That is completely different with Slip two thousand. Back in

(01:52):
early light Fighter dates, reading pat Rogers posts, having direct
interactions with him, he's saying, try this out. And early
two thousands, I'm a young cop. I'm using ram oil.
Ram Oil really it works. It can lubricate, but having

(02:12):
an air fifteen properly lubricated kept in a hot, hot car,
I found it dissipated. And I and pat Rogers would
talk about Slip two thousand EWL Extreme Weapons lube use that,
and I would use that. And if I remember correctly,
he might have even had a video or post or

(02:33):
something talking about how he applies that lubricant to his rifle.
And it's almost comical for people who aren't used to
seeing this. And so I did it, and amazingly it worked.
Imagine that, but more importantly, not only did it work,
but I was able to take high round count courses
using this and every morning relubed the book carrier group.

(02:58):
We're running. We're running just fine, thousands of rounds, loub
up the rifle, put it in my rack in my
police car during the summer, and I don't have to
worry about having a dry rifle. It's it's still functional.
That lubricant is still it's definitely still there. It doesn't dissipate.

(03:21):
So for me, this specific, this specific topic talking about
slip two thousand, this is something for me that is
proven and I this is a product I absolutely I buy.
I keep it here in my office, it's in my garage,
it's in range bags, it's my police vehicle. It just works.
And yeah, there are a lot of good products out there.

(03:42):
There are a lot of things that work, and this
is the one that I personally just choose just because
of the experience I've had. So with that mind, gonna
we're gonna have this discussion. As these guys are talking,
pay attention to who they represent, who they are, because
there's a good possibility you might like what they have
to say. And if you like what they have to say,

(04:04):
you might want to follow them on social media because
those algorithms don't work in our favor. When people are
sharing really good info it, especially when it's revolved around
gun content, it doesn't get shared algorithms. Algorithms are not
working in our favor. That's where you, the listener comes in,

(04:30):
the listener of the viewer. If you like what these
guys have to say, make sure you're given shares, You're
given likes, you're given subscriptions. So my backgrounds law, Forcement've
been doing the cop things since last century. Primary secondar
is over ten years old. It's fun.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Tom mechanical engineer in the Incle industry, got into guns
pretty much as soon as I had, Oh got it,
got seriously into guns. They can afford it day job
and made it a basically monetized my hobby. Also run
dark Star Gear so because I hate free time, but

(05:13):
and been around lots of loop discussions and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
I had.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Several different machine design classes, uh not intribologists, but in
college had the opportunity to take some different electives that
you dabbled in it and helped have a better understanding.
I did also work as a mechanic through college support
myself and it was took some classes that were automotive

(05:43):
related or you know, design related in that aspect, and
you know, there's like some SI SA activities.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
On campus.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
So kind of got to really take the grow up
with cars and bikes and tear and stuff, apart stuff
and actually get get some kind of useful stuff in college.
So I was kind of neat. So that's where I'd say,
I kind of get tangential on this.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
And your mustache is fixed, so yeah, it's a little
better today, and you used e w L.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I do have a bunch of stuff, and I suspect
never met Chris before.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Never.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I don't even know who his last name is. I've
seen it before.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I suspect if he's going to suggest any other products,
I probably also have a bunch of them too.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
His last name is Slip two thousand. Okay, yeah, he's
part of the family. And then we have Chris Sweet.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Thanks for having me, Matt. Yeah, you know, I'm relatively
young and new to the gun industry. I guess you
could say I started my career but working in range.
Started off as an rso slowly worked myself up between
armor sales guy running the retail floor. So managing a larger,

(07:04):
higher volume range. I've seen a lot of things that
work and don't work. I've been with Slip two thousand
and about a year now, but I've used the product
for over a decade. Yeah, and it's it's just been.
It was an easy decision for me to make that
jump from tech back into the gun world. It just
kind of keeps calling me back. Can't really leave it,

(07:27):
but yeah, short and sweet.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
So range experience, lots of range experience, experience using the product.
Been with Slip for for a year. What's your position
with the company.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Oh, so, I'm excuse me getting over a sickness, a
little science infection. I am a I'm the national sales manager,
so I oversee the sales department as well as it's
a lot of hats. So we're we are a smaller company.
We've been around a long time, but we're going through
a lot of growing pains, a lot of changes, updating infrastructure.

(08:04):
So really sales department B to B, some B two C, events,
all the kind of everything encompassing that.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. Yeah, so all of us clearly have experience with
the products. Unfortunately, though that doesn't necessarily mean the listeners
have experience with the products. Can you quickly go through
essentially what the catalog is, what the catalog offers.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, definitely. So we are a full service gun care
cleaning company, if you will. We're best known for our
oil and solvents, but we make everything from kits, brushes, mops, jags, patches,
and everything in between. Foaming boar cleaner that goes under solvents.
But yeah, we started off twenty five years ago. The

(08:51):
founder of Slip actually ran a or owned an industrial
lubricant line or chemical company, and he shot a lot
of skeet and trap, but didn't like cleaning his guns.
So he wanted to come up with something that was
easier and less of his time at the end of
the day. So he took that formula and modified it

(09:11):
and started using it at matches and it just kind
of snowballed from there. And then, as you mentioned, pat
Rogers came on and that's when the line really started
to develop in the early to mid two thousands, helped
us develop ewl the product that everyone knows and loves.
He wanted something that you know, because the original formula

(09:32):
was just our two products, where the gun lube and
our choketot cleaner because shotguns that's what he shot at
in the day. And then Pat loved THEA or the
gun lube, but wanted something that would last longer. You know,
the gun loops create for your everyday shooter. You want
to go five to eight hundred rounds between cleanings. But

(09:54):
he was like, I love it, but I want something
that lasts longer. I need something that's going to hold
up a little bit. So we added an antiwar agent
to the EWL the WOL thirty, and now you can
go two to four thousand rounds between cleanings. You don't
even where I'm at, I don't know about you guys.
It's super humid here in Central Texas. So I don't

(10:16):
even use solvents. I oil when it needs to be
wiped down. I wipe it down, apply some more oil,
and keep the gun running and then maybe a deep
clean every six months to a year. But I'd say
I'm about below average in terms of volume on what
I shoot per year. There's some guys that need to
do that every quarter, right, you know, if you're putting

(10:38):
thousands of around st range, especially the professionals.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Cleaning is once a year, whether it needed or not, Yes, otherwise,
treat it like your first car at oil every time
you get to use.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah. For me, most of these things just stay on
there and if they happen to go out and shoot. Okay,
how does it feel? How does it sound? Because for
me that's those are big things because we can we
can we can uh rack the action on a on
a arrack the action. Yeah, and uh you can you
can hear it. Oh oh that's yeah. You need to

(11:11):
add something there and somebody same thing. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
It's like you become you can become one with the
gun and you you know, it's like an extension of
you and you you know what it needs and when
it does it.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah. So what further from there are the products that
you guys offer and.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
You mentioned w A thirty Yeah, so so the the
E W O line, they're they're exactly the same, but
thirty is just thicker to thirty thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
It comes down to viscosity. I like to think of
it in terms of motor oil, you know, lower the
number than er the oil and even our grease the
e W G Uh, it's great. I love it. I
use it on all my suppressors. Threads like my my
rim fire baffles just a light coat, but it's essentially
e W well but a ninety weight, so it's kind
of a light grease or an easy you know, it's

(12:04):
not a super heavy, thick grease. All of it is
one hundred percent full synthetic oil as well, So there's
no petroleum tefton silicone, nothing that's going to build up
a layer of film on that firearm, but still be
able to fight moisture and obviously dirt, carbon de bree
anything that you might be encountering.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, and I also remember back in the old in
the in the Lubrication Wars. As a matter of fact,
I think it was Chad Mercer would bring this up
on a regular basis and it was what are they
called they mess up with your brain?

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Tom face.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
A So so yeah that too. So Yeah, chemicals when
you're when it gets hot, it's emitting a chemical that
is could be I don't I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
but yeah that I remember that there were certain certain

(13:01):
chemicals being emitted off of hot weapons, and like, yeah,
avoid that, yeah don't.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
Yeah, we shooting that next to your face, okay, exactly,
And you know It's interesting you bring that up, Matt,
because you know, as if i'd say the past ten years,
I used to work in suppressors too, so I'm kind
of looping this in.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
But as of the past ten years, flow through and
not putting as much input or you know, back pressure
into the cans become a big thing. Through the toxic
gases from lead, carbon, all the other stuff. No one
really takes that into acount when they're cleaning their guns.
You know, it's like they enjoy getting high while they're
sitting there cleaning their guns on you know, hop these
nine or probably whatever else it is. All of our

(13:38):
products are non toxic, so there's no odor, no oat,
so you're not going to have any of those chemicals
released when using the product.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah. Yeah, now you touched on the cleaning solvents. Let's
let's talk about those cool. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
So we have two different options in the lineup. Well
there's there's more than two, but the two bread and
butter really is the seven to twenty five, which is
your your basic solve it. You know, it's a it's
a spray on, let it sit, brush it off, reapply
some lube. You're good to go, and then we have
our carbon killer, which is more aggressive, quite a bit

(14:14):
more aggressive. It's going to tackle a lot of that
baked on carbon anything from you know, gas piss in parts, bcgs,
anything of those nature. I even sew my baffles in it,
you know, straight for that great So it's yeah, it's
a phenomenal product. I have tons of it sitting next
to me here. But those are the two. The two

(14:37):
big ones that we have our foaming bore cleaner, which
is essentially seven twenty five with the foaming agent. That
really makes it a lot more easier, so you're not
having to plug the barrel, prop it up pill or
you know, try and use a patch to get every
inch of the inside of that barrel. Just gets you
a full circumference in that in that id of.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
The big barrel. And one thing also that I really
like about slip products on the EWL side are the
different sizes, so the gallon jug for the work bench,
but then the smaller things for a range bag or
patrol for patrol vehicle.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah, and one of our newer products is it's called
the Buddy pack. It's one of my favorite products. It's
a great seller. You get a four ounce bottle and
a one ounce bottle with a needle tip, So you
got one for your bench at home, a little small
bottle for your bag.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, and the idea behind it. So I know that
there are people that are probably listening or watching, and
there's one little thing they may not be aware of
when it comes to EWL bottles and that little red plug.
How do you properly use that little red plug?

Speaker 4 (15:45):
So it's going to depend on who you ask most.
Most folks are going to pull it out and chunk it.
I actually just take a knife and poke a hole
in it.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
It works best for me that I'm not getting leaking
in my back or anything.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
That it happens. Yes, it sucks to find that leak.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yes, and you know a lot of guys too, they
like to put our oil and other bottles. They'll go
online buy bottles and fill it up that way. But
what they don't realize too, is that SLIP is actually
a penetrating oil. So SLIP stands for synthetic lubricant and
industrial penetrant, So it is a penetrating oil. So it's
not just if you don't have a high density plastic.

(16:27):
It's gonna permeate through that bottle where that comes into
play for your firearm. Metals porous, so it's not just
sitting on the surface. It actually soaks into the pores
and bonds with it, giving you protection from moisture, rust,
carbon debris, all that stuff from the inside out.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
That's cool. So, Tom, do you remember some of the
some of the old stuff that we would argue about
on the social media's.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh you're you're muted.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
There's a couple and I still I still maintain uh
so one.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
And I don't mean you and I specifically are the
Internet in general.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, the Internet in general loves Greece.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
They love mobile one.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I there.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
There's a group online that is very, very knowledgeable about
ther fifteens and all kinds of stuff like that. They've
got their thing, their their concoction. I it. I guess
the kind of the elephant room, or maybe kind of
a qualifier I think before we get too far, is
that people do complicate the ever swear on this. I

(17:51):
don't know, people complicate the ever living fuck out of
keeping a gun running. So take it, take a step
back and look at let's pick a shotgun, you know,
just go thirteen hundred whatever a three hundred.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Eight seventy go to a revolver, go with G nineteen.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Or pick your favorite flavor of glock type and gun
ar fifteen and an ak. You keep all of them
wet and they will work. If the lube is there,
it will work. You take a product like ram oil.
Ram oil works until it's not there. The primary problem
with remo oil is it burns off way too fast,
so it ceases to be there to actually serve its function.

(18:35):
A lot of people like to have, you know, go
with the grease because migration if it slides or rotates
or whatever kind of cliches and stuff their grandpa told
them that they want to apply to something else. It
It all works because there's so much anecodal evidence out
there of the stuff working. But people are subject to

(18:56):
their own anecdote and their environments. And in the case
like frog Loop, like I don't have a problem with it.
I've only received a couple of bottles of Loop for free.
I think one of the most slipt I got some.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Stuff that came with a Wilson gun or two. None
of it's I bought matchual. I bought my own bottle
of frog.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Loop I tried to use it, and you know, I
had a forty five degree forty degree whether I had
may or walk up with it, the froze, yep. But
the loops need to not impede movement, and they need
to exist and be there. So if they are there,
probably off to a good start. If they are there

(19:38):
and they impede movement and they're not really lubricant, and
that's where all the greases and stuff like that come
into play. Like you know, mobile one synthetic bearing grease
or whatever is awesome. It works great for a lot
of stuff. But if you're anywhere where you have cold weather,
you know, northern you know, northern United States, I mean really,

(20:00):
you know, even people in Maryland running the problems you know,
if you're beat cop walking around, uh you know, I
think you're running New Year's even Pittsburgh or Baltimore or
someplace like that. Your ship's outside for fucking time, your
gun's freezing. Your gun could be locked up. And that's
also kind of something that like a lot of hunters understand,

(20:22):
you know, they're you know, their bold actions can lock
up sitting in a tree stand or whatever. But no
going back with your you know, they're oil versus grease.
The call them the trendy non toxic stuff like frog glub,
like you can drink it or whatever. Nobody wants to
do that.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
That's that.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I do think they've kind of fizzled.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
And then you know motor oil slash kind of home concoctions,
elephant room. I think on motor oil stuff is it
does work too, because it's still there. You know a
lot of people do bring up like carcin engens and whatnot.
You do get fuel to spent burnt fuel deposits and
use motor oil, but I don't think anybody's draining the

(21:05):
oil in their f one fifty and saving it to
using guns or using new motor oil. Doesn't necessarily mean
that it doesn't have other problems. But I do take
issue whenever somebody waves a cartuation in the flag when
they're cleaner guns with a dip in, or when they
refuse to acknowledge the fact that shooting the gun, no

(21:27):
matter you know you'd have perfect lube, you clean off,
have that blue zero lube, you're still blasting yourself with
a bunch of shit down in nostrils.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
So especially if for shooting the can.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well yeah, yeah, it's yeah it now, so recognizing I
understand that you want to reduce things every chance.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
You get, but.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I don't know if that's exactly what you're asking for.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yes, well, and I remember two concepts along these same
lines where the comparison of a closed system versus an
open system was brought up, and these lubricants work better
and it closed versus an open And then I also
remember one of the negatives to Greece that was brought

(22:09):
up was it is going to turn into a.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's an oil.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Well, the lapping compound argument's a different thing. Yeah, grease
is just an oil and the soap and his asting around.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yet he's not gonna make it.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh he's not gonna make Okay, yeah, my own fault,
so I have to go back.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
But he's actually certain pedrobologist.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
He also works at a power plant here and went
through all the rim role. But you know, grease is
just an oil and a soap soap to like hold
it in place. I used to think that I wanted
a Greece until I had a couple of years where

(22:54):
you know, shooting, you know, twenty thousand rounds a year, carbing,
you know, ten to fifteen pistol. I think it probably
had like good three or four year run where we
were messing with all kinds of stuff and since Ashian's
not here, uh, he did concoct a pretty uh pretty
decent loube of some off the shelf or commercially available
components that were were mixed in that worked pretty well.

(23:19):
Uh ironic. I mean it's it's uh very similar to
what you know slip is anyway. I mean, short of
known a recipe, it's a same principles. But yeah, then
you got you have the guys that are like, oh
my god, the sand you know you're you're in, you know,
the fine toppum powder on an oiled gun turns into

(23:39):
a lapping compound and the gun wears itself away, and
it's like completely ignoring just just how much money you
have to spend an ammo.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, but that nobody can afford to shoot to destroy
your gun.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Oh, yes, definitely. I think a lot of it comes
down to personal preference to on what they use, you know,
and a lot of it for me, what I've been
telling guys over the past year is where you're at,
what's your climate? You know, you touch on the cold weather,
you know, hotter weather, maybe run grease, stays put where

(24:19):
it's at in the winter, run the thinner stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
But there was also how is the gun stored? I mean,
is it stored vertical in a cruiser at that point
in time? Then yeah, agrees, might make sense because you're
also at the same time, let's say it is problematic,
you're what's the what's the likelihood of that gun even

(24:45):
being used and when it is used? Or well, first,
what's the likelihood of that you know, vertically stored gun
coming out? Then when it does come out, what's the
likelihood of it being used? If it is used, what's
like likelihood of you know, the you know, of course
of fire or whatever whatever engagement being long enough to

(25:07):
where that's really an issue. Yeah, so if you have
to be my god, I hope people are checking your
guns every day.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Oh yeah, so well along that also, uh, an important
aspect for me is ease of use, being at the range,
being at the range, being at a class checking my gun. Okay,
I need to play lube. Not a big deal. Squorts
core done nothing to it. There's I don't need to
do any any real prep. Unfortunately, there are some products

(25:40):
that where that prep is necessary, and if the prep
isn't done improperly, it's not gonna work. Or if you
mix products, you've just made up a worse concoction. Tom.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's where that's where I like oil.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
So like on in the case of the cheetah, I'll
just honestly, I wouldn't even unholster it. I just put
a few drops in the back out of you down,
wipe it off, pull a gun out, check it, wipe
it down.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Good to go. Yep.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, And that was that was kind of my question too,
is you know, I don't come from a law enforcement background,
so I mean, what on what are the statistics or
averages on engagements? I mean, how many rounds are officers
running through?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
You know?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Will they ever need I mean, I doubt there's a
point in a firefight where they're going to need to reloop.
And if they do, they got bigger problems.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
They're bigger problems military to hear it. Hearing Chuck Pressburg
talk about some of this stuff that I remember him
talking about keeping a weapon purposely dry, and he has
his M four or similar and a spare mag in
his back pocket. They go do their mission, then they
head back and just blow out the gun. Done, ready,

(26:52):
rewrack it, and ready for the next one. But as
far as law enforcement, it is amazing how many cops
I run into have completely dry guns. If they are
running an optic or flashlight, batteries are completely dead. And
that goes for handguns and rifles, and so for me,
that ease of use is super important worth the range.

(27:14):
And all of a sudden I hear someone charge their
ar hold on a second, holding on a second, we
need to fix something here because we're going to interact
or we're going to intervene before we run into a failure.
I don't want people to run into a failure. Yeah,
it's good to know what to do right now, we're
not going to do that. We're going to get you
up and running and functional maybe. And sometimes what was

(27:35):
that teach them right? Yeah, and sometimes yeah, let them fail.
That works. But if I've had to fix their problem
X amount of time, Okay, you know what, now you're
going to fail yep. But to just have that bottle
ready and okay, crack it, open, sports squirt done, We're
good to go. Yep.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Two seconds that's all you need. Yeah, I'm when I
was working at a gun range in Houston hot here
him in and I had a law enforcement officer come
in with his side arm. It was I think he
was either he was off to do you don't know if
it's off doing carry, or he was undercover iWB. And
I had never seen a glock in this condition. When

(28:15):
I tell you, it was the most It was completely
rusted shut. You could you had to, you know, try
and mortar it to get it out of there. And
it just amaze me that he's like, yeah, I haven't
taken out of the whole streat in like four or
five years. And I'm like, well, how are you qualifying?
What are you qualifying with? You know, So it was
it was a teaching moment, but it's it's very surprising.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
See yeah, yeah, and common. And so for people that
are in the know, it's good to have solutions to this,
and solutions also to we can fix the problem, but
also we can use this as a this is what
I'm using. Ye go to the go to the sporting
good store, get yourself a bottle, keep it in your
truck when you're run into something. Next time we go shoot,

(28:58):
make sure you're applying this.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, yeah, you know, especially when For professionals, you know
that your your your life is on the line, and
that you know that side arm is your last line
of defense. You want to make sure it's in running order,
good working order, no matter what you use.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
So you brought up a rusted glock. What about e
w L as a protectant?

Speaker 4 (29:18):
So it's great, it's it's phenomenal. I still live in Human, Texas,
so I literally coat everything for like some of my
hunting guns and storage like that that come out maybe
once twice a year. Those all use the thicker oil
because the EWL standard WOL tends to migrate. It finds
every single nook and cranny, So I use that stuff

(29:39):
to not have a pool at the bottom my safe essentially. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Oh and the reason I ask is I carry a
glock forty two close to my body under my vest
that gets humid, and I just noticed the Dawsons are
rusting and I thought, oh crap, I need to fix that,
and I already have the loob to use.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Oh yeah, it'll take it, it'll take yeah, exactly, it'll
take light surface rust off, no problem at all. Now,
if you're running into pitting issues, that's a whole other problem.
It'll it'll mitigate. Now I have brand the guys who
have used it for mitigation where the gun was they
were inherited, you know, their father or grandfather passed away
a game, a gun had some bitting. I was able
to get all the surface rust off it and then

(30:21):
just mitigate that Pitting's there's nothing really you can do
with pitting. Yeah, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, So I think now's an excellent opportunity to take
that quick little pause minute thirty two seconds, minute thirty
seven seconds, something like that. So this is gonna cut
out for just a little bit. You're gonna hear my
voice in different levels of health because I listened to
these sometimes ago. Yeah, I had a sore throat that day.

(30:48):
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we're back so quick recap. I can't speak for Tom.

(32:40):
I might be able to speak for Chris, Yeah, I can.
I'm going to speak for everyone. We've been using Slip
for a long time. I'm not seeing myself. I'm not
seeing me going away. I want something that's easy to use,
that's going to stay on my gun, easy, easy to
apply to the city aspect, and it is non toxic.

(33:02):
But that is lesser on my list of needs. But uh,
I'm a fan. I've got a bunch of it.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I mixed some other products largely because they were free.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
But yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Now now as far as like those different products I
do have.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Uh. You know one of the things, Matt, You're kind
of the same boat with all the different interactions. You know,
these these suggestions and and what what what do you
tell something to buy? Like you buy a G nineteen,
you buy this, you buy that? You know, commercial availability
of slip is up there. Uh you know it's it's
one of the things. It's also commediately named, so they

(33:47):
generally don't screw it up when you tell them to
buy you know, go go buy a glock, go buy this,
go buy that, and they wind up with lurally knows
what else.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
But yeah, well we already talked about RAM and oil.
RAM oil can work, but there are some negative aspects.
Lucas Oil is a brand that I think of as
I'm thinking about this, that a lot of friends say, yeah,
this is this has been a good product. I have
zero experience with it, though they're.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
A good oil company that has people working there that
understand the lucation problem. Amaz Oil is a different product
that I use. I have it because I'm an Amazola dealer.
If anybody has Amazola, they know that you pay twenty
five dollars or something like that to become a dealer,
and you get a decent discount. So if you've got

(34:36):
more than one vehicle, it's worth it. But they're they're
they're pricing on that stuff is pretty good. So I
got a bunch of it. Sometimes I keep it in
a bag and keep it as a black bag and
Thart to people their bottles could use a little bit improvement.
But yeah, it's kind of the thing that I like
to stay away from is the fly by night the

(34:57):
people that really have to excessively market product. Yeah, it's
it's not as not a sexy topic. Just got to
be there to work.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, and it's a topic that what was it. It
was like ten years ago, this was this was Yeah,
this was a hot thing that people argued about and
their their their personal their honor was they were offended
if you use something different than them.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well, it's a it's so so honor is actually very
good because it's so anecdotal. You know, anecdotally, I have
had uh frog glube fail. There are also probably a
bunch of people in the comments that live in California
that haven't shot in are below seventy degrees that I
have never had a problem with. And if I had

(35:48):
subjected to that environment, that environment.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Only, I may not have had a problem.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Also a bunch of rim oil people and you know,
insert your favorite thing here. Uh, because Luke, the lubrication
problem isn't that difficult. The loob's got to be there
and it can't impede motion. Uh, you're generally going to
be all right. So what you're doing is you're telling
people you're arguing over optimal vert you know, when when

(36:15):
the floor is so low to functioning. And I don't
think to come off as a native whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Uh, but but when the when, when the when the bar.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Is so low, and you're trying to tell people it's
not you know, it's not optimal, it's not perfect. You're
still challenging their integrity and so on. So people are
just gonna get up.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Sid And I've had zero failures with frog loop. But
also I've had zero successes. I've never used it. So
someone asked about weapon shield. I don't have any experience
with them.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I do.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
They're actually they're they're local to the area. I don't
know if they still exist. I know I still I
was cleaning stuff around and moving stuff and I still
have a bottle of it.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
There is.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
There's a saying in the loub world where people will
use I don't know what barying test it is, but
they'll call it the one arm Bandit where you pull
a bar down onto yeah, spinning piece of metal, and
it's it's used deceptively. The weaponshield guy used that in

(37:21):
some marketing videos or content somewhere. So it's kind of
a a but you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Always worked for me. It was probably one of my.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I bought it. I bought a gun show in the area.
Would have been in two thousand and two thousand and nine.
It works. It probably hard to find. Slip will be
on the shelf probably wherever you go.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, And speaking of slip, I was talking to Brock
of Brass Facts Fame, and I told him, Hey, we're
doing this episode. Is that you know what? I bought
one of their bottles and I still have and I
use it and it's perpetual. It doesn't go away, it doesn't. Yeah.

(38:06):
And that when you were talking about weapon shield singing,
how many people probably have some kind of lubricant on
a shelf somewhere. It might the company's out of business,
but they still have some of that weapons loop. Now
does that mean that they need to shoot more or
that they've replaced it with other products that I don't know,
But yeah, I find even if I don't need stuff

(38:31):
like weapons loob. Yeah, if I find it on sale,
you know what, what a great present for the four
year old? Here you go, not not really coworkers definitely, definitely,
or people that are taking over arranged positions. Here's this
because it's just kind of nice to share that kind
of stuff, especially if they don't already have opinions formed.
This can help you know what I found? This works?

(38:52):
Try this similar though to what I have on my background.
We're living in a great time where there's so many
cool things that are available and they work. And then
we talked about Lucas. Lucas works, ram oil can work,
and and again personally for me, yeah, slip, that's that's

(39:13):
my personal choice.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, weapon shield.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Uh, they there, still, they still exist.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
I'm sorry that the Facebook link on their website links
you to a person page.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
That's active.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
But and and and Chris Chris froze for a moment
at the kind of kind kind of.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Look like and it is just a little I think
I think that test you're referring to Tom's the B
block test. I think it's the Felix Felix pen and
B block. Maybe that might be it.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Can actually pull it up.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
No, it's a super popular yep yep.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, and there.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
I would.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
That that's something that somebody cares to go go look
into f a l e X.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I would, I would look into it. There's there's yeah,
some of it is, yes, but there's also so many
there's so much nuance and and so many ways to
manipulate it.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Nuance what a concept. Really. The bottom line for me
with this discussion, for those of you listening reviewing, if
you don't already have something selected as this is your
go to and Slip is not paying me, Uh, that's

(40:53):
that's my choice. If you don't have if you don't
have that product already chosen, try it out. It's gonna work.
It's simple, but I think it's also something that people
may not be paying attention to. It should be in
your range back.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Some sort of oil. Yeah, perfectly, Slip, but everybody's got
their their choices.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, so what's the uh, what's the temperature rating on it?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
What's it?

Speaker 3 (41:20):
What's the flashpoint?

Speaker 4 (41:22):
So on ew wel it'll run up to like a
negative one hundred degrees fahrenheit. Uh, auto ignition point is
going to be right around that, like five fifty to
five sixty mark flash point is about three ninety though. Okay,
so that's.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
That's very high. That that's something to look into. One
of the things I'm trying to find out if I
can see, yeah, cookoff four to five just quick googling
for four hundred and fifty degrees, you're gonna start seeing
rounds cookoff.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
So for anybody who's never shot that much.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Pretty high. So if it doesn't you know, it doesn't
start to flash off or burn off into four hundred
degrees and and understanding that as you approach four hundred,
uh well a little bit, but that's where like rem
oil tends to fail. I know some of the other
Walmart type gift set products, uh will also do the same.

(42:29):
They're great for you know, lower rung count stuff, you.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Know, lower rate of fire.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, deer rifle season only shooters kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Also, being synthetic means it's it's not gonna be going
bad or rotten, so you can always use it on
your eggs. I wait that was another company.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Well yeah, not been you know, to that point of burnoff.
And I don't know what the exact client is on
you know, say the chamber, but I know when running
a suppressor, every time you run around through that can,
the can gets about ten to fifteen degrees horder, So
you know, multiply that by one mag dump. You know,
the can itself is is touching closer to nine hundred.

(43:14):
So I'd be curious to see what that internal chamber
ten gets like after each round.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
So I and I can't find a video. I know
there's a bunch of people that have taken videos on it.
You know, I've seen you.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Know, the going by mag dumps or going by single
magazines shot at a prescribe rate of fire. I know
in the past, you know, just kind of dabbling around.
He's niaith thermometer from you know, drill to drill, you know,
and high threes is not uncommon. It doesn't necessarily dwell

(43:49):
at high threes, but and there it's not a lot
hard to when you start running, you know, after lunch,
you know, beginning of the morning, when after zero after lunch,
add a little bit of oil when you're.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Done, good to go. I think I think that's probably
one of the most important takeaways from this discussion, is
keeping it loobed, keeping the fire on lood, having that
oil present, he's going to help keep the gun clean
and happy.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
And though maybe it's important also and we have the
engineer here to discuss what happens if it isn't properly
lubricated and it seizes or worse, tom, what happens at
one of your plants when you forget to add the
slip two thousand they don't use two thousand nuclear.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Change that to look into that your product.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Can solve with the team and get back to you.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
I'll send you a gallon, no problem.

Speaker 7 (45:00):
Make sure.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I'm trying to think what component it was. I was
not working with it.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Uh was at you know training where there's a mock
up of the unit and there's something I did. I
don't know if there was an ic CP or or
something else.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
There.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
There was something where I was.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I was poking around looking at it, and it's like
there's I have a personal pick I took of, you know, coffee,
a tub of nuclear grade and it like it says
nuclear grade, and I sees in a the claw off
of a robotic maniculator. But that's one of the things
I've kind of kind of poked around and just just

(45:46):
out of curiosity to see. Yeah, that's the other thing
that's fascinating how things run. But it's also you know,
sometimes the simplicity is just as fascinating.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
So we're dealing with metal parts that have fairly tight
good tolerances. Clear Okay, clearances and.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Tolerances and clearances are different. Tolerances are did you make
it to the drawing? Clearances are what did the drawing stay?
The gap should be between the parts?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Oh cool, So that's a I understand.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
It's a case of where when somebody says tolerance is
you know exactly what they're you know what they mean.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
But but it's nice to know the right answer.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Well, when you get into night, you know, and I
don't know anything about it, but like you know, I'm
not well Verse nineteen elevens.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, Joe Chambers. Thing when you.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Talk about like a hard fit or something like that, yeah,
first verse, not.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
That you know that.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Implies a super tight clearance.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Now, now tolerance might be is that you know, is
it wavy?

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Is it you know?

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Is it straight? And so on? In the case of
just making an assumption in the case of a block,
they've gotta's forty eight in front of me. In the
case of the glock with the you know, the stamped
uh stamp rails and machine grooves, you can you can

(47:15):
say that and and the gap is uh, Yeah, little.
It's slop. It's it's it's intended to be there. Yeah,
they're you know, sloppier fit components made to a very
high you know, made made precisely, but they're not necessarily

(47:37):
underschangeable in terms cool.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Okay, So that's that's the random.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
It drives It drives me fucking nuts because people people
talk about, you know, tolerances, and it's like, well, you
don't know, and it's actually also you know, built the
spec and so on, and let's have the drawing.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
You know what the fuck beck is?

Speaker 3 (47:56):
You know, you don't know that Joe Bob Gunsmith decided
to make it an absolute piece of shit. You don't
know that it's not perfectly made to have a mild
wide gap. You don't know what they have determined as
a company to be acceptable or unacceptable. Yeah, obviously if
it goes out the door, it's likely acceptable. But and
it also goes to quality control. Quality control is adherence

(48:19):
to their standard. Yeah, their standard might be dog shit
and they might be okay with that because they might
bank on all their customers shooting less than five hundred
rounds on average, and you might just be the one asshole.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
What happens actually use the thing.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
So drive on with it. So. Yeah, so we have
a chamber's weapon. It's high to it has very tight clearances.
We're talking about metal, we're talking about heat, We're talking
about things going frictions. If you don't have lubrication, what's

(48:54):
going to happen? Is there the potential of doing damage
to the firearm, could lock up, could gall up?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Depends on and it also depends on like different materials
and stuff like that. You run into some stuff there, Now.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
It should be something on your mind as a shooter.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Yeah, I don't know that it's necessarily something we actually see
a whole lot of at least in you know, call
it to pians space until you get into yeah, chambers
probably you know you're ping Joe. He's probably probably got
handfuls of stories of things locking up or you know,
going up or seizing up or something like that. But
your your your standard commercial stuff un familiar.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, well I've had a couple of rs uh. One
was a precision one where and I was early in
my my shooting days, wasn't lubricating it properly and it
just plane seazed up and when when everything cooled down,
everything I could take everything apart and go oh oops,
and then everything functions just fine. But do you want

(49:57):
to be doing that to your guns? This is preventable.
So yeah, come on, Tom, what other things do you
feel that you need to let I know, I.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Got my tolerances first clearances out.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
That's good, that's good.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, that's the thing, because it's a.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
One. It's an important distinction. It's a very important distinction.
When it's not it doesn't matter. You know, probably lots
of people rolling their eyes watching, They're like, you know
what I meant kind of thing, and we do.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
But we can For me personally, if I have the
opportunity to say something incorrectly or say it correctly, I
want to take the correct wrap.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
So we understood that, and that goes back precision of language.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
That goes back to the and we actually might be
on the other side of it now where you know,
what was said at one point in time was if
there's no harm in carrying an X three hundred on your.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Gun, you should which became weapon on leg your mandatory.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yes that has Now some people did ride that, you know,
some people, yeah, but yeah, people like other than the celebrities,
you know, a lot of other general users took that
to heart and just was some giant mess.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I'll have you know. There is no rail for this,
so I need to get one of those. Still there's
one behind me too.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, I think kind of to touch on what could
happen to Oh yeah, it's kind of it's untalked about.
Let me know if you guys have heard of this,
but molding the buffer two mm hmm. Familiar with that,
So there there's a that's a big topic of discussion
these days in a lot of forms that I've seen
of a mold build up and and you're buffer getting

(51:58):
a It's almost like if you shoot a lot of
suppressed rounds with a canon that that muzzle device or
that mount will start to get that patina little blue
same thing. Yep, And technically you know it's mold. There's
a lot of other things that go on there. But
I lube my my buffer tube and spring and to

(52:19):
prevent that, and it also quiets it down the weird
little nuance. But it makes me feel better.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
So that's the case where I'll use like a white
lithium spray grease mm hmmm, because I still.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Have some.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yeah, whatever you do, I mean it's it helps, but
you know, especially when guns are being stored ars, they're
not getting shot. You know, depending on what that that
humidity level in that room is too, it could expedite
that growth.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
So so regarding that, regarding that storage, for you in
your experience, what orientation do you have the weapons, what
are you applying? Do you have them then covered?

Speaker 4 (53:03):
I used to so, I used to. I used to
do a silicone wipe back in the day when I
first got into the industry. That was what you did
when you store a gun, you know, Yeah, you you
wipe it down silicone or a silicone sock, tick it away.
I've switched to just using our oil and I just

(53:23):
do a light coat everywhere, muzzle up in the safe
and it's good to go. I haven't had any issues
with that other than when I when I go, you know,
years without touching a gun in there, then probably should
have touched it once a year at least, But it happens.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, anything specific with revolvers, because you know, that's revolvers
are the big thing right now.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
They are becoming very hot again. A lot of tactical revolvers.
I'm seeing a lot of red dots on on.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Revolvers these days and then lights behind me. Yeah, they're
a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
They're a lot of fun, the same thing, and I
you know, I don't have any in my collection right now, unfortunately.
It's been something I've been wanting to add again. But
give it a good wipe, you know you could. You
can either pre soak a cloth. We even have gun
wipes that are already pre soaked abrasive cloths, and a
lot of our revolver guys love those because you get
that build up on the front of your cylinder, that

(54:19):
hard baked on carbon you get, take that ambrasive episode cloth,
just give it a good wipe down and it comes
right off.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
That's also you're all the credit that's there is a
lot of stuff you don't want. So if you've got
if you got that one rag that sits on the
top of your safe and use it on a revolver
like I'm used on anything, you're going to run the
transfer problems. It's it's going to be nasty. So that's
where that's where wipes are are key.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, I love I love the disposable wipes. It's it's
been really really nice to have, especially you know, I
hate to say it, but I'm somewhat of a lazy cleaner.
Shouldn't really say that working for a cleaning company, but
you know, I think I touched on it at the
beginning of the episode. I don't like using a solvent
every time I cleaned one. It's a chore to you know,
clean the bench to get everything ready to go. So

(55:06):
I just use the disposable wipe. I wipe as much
carbon as I can out it lays down some oil
at the same time, put it back together and let
it run.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Most time going into solvents, also, most have been unnecessary.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Yes, yes, and and and you know, depending on a solvent.
Most solvents are you know, very good these days. And
it's literally going to strip everything off that gun. So
you're down to just that finish versus you know where
where you're going to start to see expedited rust or
issues versus just oil. Give it a rack, run it

(55:40):
until you have issues.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
This comment just came up and chat from Tim Mooney.
I've heard I've heard folks with stuff with wooden stocks
storing them muzzle down to protect the wood. That makes sense.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
I can see that.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, yeah, especially if if the oil is going to
be running downward. Yeah, I don't want to get that
oil on my on the wooden stock. So the stocks,
who has wooden stocks, that's silly talk.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I have. I have a couple of they're wipe down
I have, yeah, and they're one's an old wing Master. Yeah,
that's that's wiped down with uh, probably slip wipes. I
don't shoot it that frequently. I need to swap burrow
and do something cool with it. But yeah, I don't
want to, you know, don't want to damage wood.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
So especially yeah, especially when you get to those high
dollar guns. Like I have a couple too that I
used slip on it, and I have seen no issues
at all, no expanding weird you know, like if you
got it wets for instance. But it's worked great for me.
But I know a guy who's got like a twenty
five thousand dollars shotgun. He's a he travels the country

(56:48):
doing trap and ski shooting. So I was like, I
don't even know if I put it on that. And
this thing's got emeralds and laid in it and this
fancy and gravy all over it. So can't remember the
exact brand. But yeah, that's a good point muzzle down.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah. Yeah. So, to the best of your knowledge, are
there any new products and not that you have to
talk about them, but are there are there some new
solutions on the horizon.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
We we do have a we have a couple of
things that I that I can't talk about. But one
of the new the newer products that we just launched
and it's it's it's it's more of an old product
and a new dispenser. It's our oil pins. You know,
it's something that I pushed for very hard when I
came on to the company. I was like, you know,

(57:38):
these they're they're compact. You know, it's an ounce to
half an ounce of oil here.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, those are those are perfect for rails of pistols,
Like if you're like, oh yeah, yeah, shoot empty, just
a slidewalk, squirt a little bit on a rails drop
the slide down, her.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Down, yep. And these are refillable too. So it's it's
it's such a small footprint. You know, if you if
you're not running a larger range bag and you want
something even smaller, it's great for that even back pocket.
If you're an instructor on the line or something, have
it somewhere in your vest or on your person.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
So basically just you just take off the cap or
the end, pour in some more slip, close it back up,
and good to go.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Yep, Yep, it's good. It's just a needle tip applicator
essentially a little pin, and I'm pushing hard for you know,
needle tips are become the more popular way to apply lube,
and you know, Lucas for instance, all their one ounce
bottles come with it. So we are updated infrastructure currently
to accept our basic our bottle machine to accept those caps.

(58:41):
So I'm excited about launching that. It's not really anything
crazy or new, but it just makes it that much
easier to use.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah. Yeah, pistol rails would be fantastic with that.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Get it exactly where you want it.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yeah yeah, So Matt, this is actually I just probably
saw my my bamboo in the back. This is what ever?

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
It's just a Silicon three and one that I use
for my printer. I bought like Timu or Ali Bober.
I bought like one hundred of these for five dollars
and obviously don't mark them. My label maker is behind
me and did not mark what's in there.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Wait, you have a three D printer. Yeah, that's it.
I'm not serious. I know, just penis smartness. This question
goes to Chris. Are those pens leakproof? But could they
be stowed in a range bag or box and not
worry about making a mess. That's from Mike.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Yes, yes they are, as long as as long as
they're threaded on properly and you know you reapply this cap,
you're not going to see any leaking.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
So there's no red stopper, no red stopper, and so
you just do not have the red stopper. I have.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I have one from Weapons Shield to day Brooke. I
know I broke it until I saw the glove in
my range bag.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Now being crushed is another story. If it's you know
now at the bottom of the bag, you might you
might rune some issues. But like I mentioned earlier too,
we have to use that that high density plastic or
cremeate through regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
How about what's ms RP on on those I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Say the gun lube, this this specific one, you know
every day shooter uh ten bucks nine fifty something along
those lines and some of the now the ewl is
a little more expensive just because it is a is
a different type of oil that that agent where agent
bumps that price a little.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I'm gonna have to go to the store and get
some now I was not even aware of them. And
that just sounds that sounds like it's solve some some solutions.
And I've and especially like just for gluck maintenance, pour
a little on the top of the on the barrel
and then just with your finger wipe it around that
the applicator really doesn't matter that it's a yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's been great. I love it. You know,
it's it makes like easier when especially when you're trying
to get down into you know the disconnector or you know,
somewhere in a smaller, tighter spot. It really helps out
in those situations. And then we're also looking at so
we we sell our wipes in like a I don't
think I have any right next to me, but there
are single single use by themselves. We're working on a tub,

(01:01:20):
you know, kind of like a colorox pole. You have
like one hundred count of them, the pre soaked cloth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
So I have some of those for like like hand
cleaning and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Those deep lad wipes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yeah, and just mechanic garage stuff too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I'd be curious if that's something that you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Would be able to get down pat well enough or
at least at a level that would be good enough
for consumer, because you know, something like that for even
people to shoot a lot is going to be a
you're gonna have a tub for five years?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Yeah, And that that's another I think that's where one
of the hang ups is what is the count? Is
it a twenty fifty seventy five hundred?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah, I mean a fifty pack on your website right now,
A fifty pack of the wipes is thirty five bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
That's not nothing, but fifty of those is a lot,
So it is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Yeah, depending on the shooter for sure, for sure. But yeah,
those are those are two big ones. The one I
can't talk about too much is a suppresser cleaner cool something,
something a little more aggressive. And because I have somewhat
of a suppressor background, I used to work for a
suppresser manufacturer for four years in a similar capacity. I

(01:02:43):
learned a lot about cans in that time, and I'm
not a big believer of cleaning a welded like a
traditional baffle welded can center fire can. They just don't
get dirty enough. You know, I've had one on a
range while it was an old Wilson Combat full titanium.
It was on a fourteen to five machine gun for

(01:03:05):
a year or two, had over one hundred thousand rounds
on it. And you know, by that time it probably
gained about ten to twelve ounces in weight, so it
was you know, double what it should have been, but
it was one hundred thousand rounds. You know, the most
shooters are never going to see that. You know, one
is too expensive. That's a lot of time on the range.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
There's one hundred thousand rounds, and there's one hundred thousand
suppressed rounds, very true, and there's also and not you know,
there's also you know, the guy who's going to buy that,
so that's going to shoot it heavily. It's not going
to have just one.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
So yep, yep, exactly. But I don't believe in pouring
a liquid into a traditionally welded can. It's you know,
when we're talking rim fire nine forty five something that's serviceable.
That's different. And there are even companies that make serviceable
center fire cans and those sure, but without having the

(01:04:01):
ability to get in there and dry or clean. Because
most solvents are water based, you run the risk of
expediting erosion inside that can and you can't even tell.
You know, some of the products that are currently out
there recommend baking it after using it or going to
shoot it, you know, to heat the can up to
evaporate everything that's inside there. So we're fighting a battle,

(01:04:26):
and we're working with a few different companies that are
doing a lot of testing in the silencer industry, and
so there's something to be had there. I'm stuck on
making it a caveat for sourceable cans, just because it
just seems like a better way to go. You know,
when we're talking flow through, there's a lot more intricate design.

(01:04:46):
It's redirecting gas in different ways. That's another story. So
there's a lot of caveats into it. But we want
to make sure that we do enough testing bringing something
to market that it's actually going to be a good product.
I'm not pretty mure earlier road you're inside of your can.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
That just makes sense. Some good questions came up on
the live chat. I'll pull one up right now. Also
from that, Tim Mooney guy, when is grease preferred over oil?
This goes to both of you, guys, because I'm not
gonna answer because I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
You want to start, Tom.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
I'm trying to think, uh. For for me, there's not
a lot of instances where I will use the grease.
I just even even kind of kind of stepping back
household and and and anywhere like bicycle seat tube.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
That's obviously not what Tim asked.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
I'm just trying to think in general, because the like
I have door hinges where I hit with white lithium
and grease and then the oil was kind of leached
out and you kind of clean them, whereas with uh,
I have you slip on a door hinge because the
applicator UH where like adding a small amount and then

(01:06:06):
if it dissipates somewhere and I can't tell, I could
just add more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
The traditional and I will say, go go back to
an anecdotal You know when I said, anybody who got.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Pissed off when I said something earlier is gonna not
make it to this not make it this far. It
traditionally like your nineteen eleven guys, your your handbuilt pistol
kind of guys, your mental frame pistol guys uh brought
of users CZ shooters twenty eleven shooters are not in
the same category, man, until you get into some of

(01:06:43):
the high end race stuff. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I can you see somebody who's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Gonna tear a gun apart every you know, after every
match or every couple of matches or something like that,
and then regrease it and whatnot. That's not a bad
that's not a bad case. I Otherwise, I just don't
use it simply because to add more lubricant you have

(01:07:10):
to remove all the old So uh, just exceedingly lazy
in the case of like my revolvers and take him apart,
spram with whatever decent product that's not going to burn off,
whether or not it's an oil or grease, it's still there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I don't shoot those enough. I would, Yeah, I would.
I would probably ping somebody like Caleb Gettings and actually
with you know, some of the stuff that he has done.
I'd be curious to see what he did for you know,
he he went away for work for for storage for
a period of time and coming back, you know, did
he do anything differently at all or was it just

(01:07:55):
fine as is? You know, but in most cases the
cliche of like sliding over rotating and whatever. Uh I,
I just ignore it. You know, there's there's like you
get one of those pen bottles a slip and you know,

(01:08:17):
any weekend class, whatever you whatever class, you know, whatever
shooting class it is, You're you're set there. There's nothing the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Lubrication problem in firearms.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
In every level of our space, you know, hobbyists, you know,
sighting a deer rifle and then go shoot one round
every November up to you know, warping and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
There's nothing so extreme.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
It's not unto you're in a special unit out in
the middle of the desert where demands start to be different,
and and we talk to those people when I think
a lot of those people still were honestly slip people.
The only other maybe thing they might use might be
Miltek or militech or whatever is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
Yeah, And I think for grease over oil, it depends
on you know, there's a lot of personal preference in it.
You know, do you do you want to run it
a little bit drier, less less of a you know,
oil or wet if you will. Some guys like the
grease because they could stick it on the rails, and
that's where they put it. But I like grease on
threads locking lugs, you know, if it's an over under

(01:09:25):
choke tubes. I use the grease on all of my
suppressor threads mounts. I even like on my my five
five six AR fifteens, I'll coat the muzzle device in grease,
wipe the excess, and it just helps. It's more proactive
than reactive versus waiting for that thing to get completely

(01:09:48):
carboned up and then trying to clean it because it
starts to weld and bake itself on there so hard
it's it's near impossible to get off. So if you're
proactive versus reactive, you'll have a better experience that way.
But yeah, it's all personal preference.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
So my muzzle devices for guns that bubble canon are
that are that way. And and that's not as really
lubricant read that's for anti seizing purposes without without wanting
to have the added milid num or whatever uh other
components into a Greece that an anti seiz agent would add.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
Yes, agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Cool, And as we were have been as we have
been having this conversation, I have ping Sean Murphy from
Sons of liberty to say, hey, want to jump on
And I just texted and sent a message on Facebook
to Caleb. No message, no no answer, No Caleb, that
jerk don't wants him anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Yeah. I love the guys that over had Sons. They're
they're great guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
They We just started working with them too. So now
every every Son's gun that goes out gets a little
vile slip with it and they use it. They use
it in the shop there too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Oh heck, yeah, heck yeah. New question. This is a
good one. I do like this one from corn Pop's Revenge.
Do you recommend ultrasonic cleaners combined with solvents for modern
three D printed cans?

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
I think agitation is a great idea for cleaning any
Can you know a combination of a solvent to an
ad to an agitator that's going to really try and
break that carbon off the surface. It just depends you
want to be careful with some of the types of
solvents you use and how long you use it in
those sonic tanks, just because it will eat the finish

(01:11:33):
depending on the solvent and with that agitation. But I'd
say a combo, I'd recommend for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I don't have one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
You have everything else. How do you not have one
of those?

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
There's so many options nowadays too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
So what I do know is, yeah, like if you're
using ultrasonic cleaner, they work very very well. If you
have a finish that you're concerned with, you know, the
the juice that's in there is uh, you know, it
can be a problem. I am not well aversed in

(01:12:14):
what best practices are when you get into the three
D printed cans. I've dropped a can off to be
ultrasonically cleaned and yeah, came back at whatever the weight
was I had that I wrote down on my form.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
So there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
But it's really well all I can speak to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
But you have a three D printer. What are you
talking about? It's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
Yeah, I feel like you can't talk. I feel like
a lot of like these these modern cans to or
excuse me, modern cartridges, they they burn a lot more
efficiently and cleaner, so you're not getting as much deposit
into that can like you used to now for the
three D printed cans, So they have those small, tiny

(01:13:02):
little ports and redirecting gas in different directions. So I
could see those becoming carbon up faster. But I think
I think a combination of ultrasonic and you know and
flushing it would be perfectly fine for it. But I
would definitely recommend checking your manufacturer's recommendations.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
The only thing I would say as as an additional
disclaimer on there is just as the kind of in
general and a lot of people like to cling to
manufacturer X says only this does that manufacture even employ Uh,

(01:13:43):
we'll make up a can company?

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah sounds. Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
So, you know, some dudes come across the printer and
or they find access to a printer, and they have
whatever it takes that they need to find a design,
modify design a little bit, print it out of some
kind of metal, and sell it and prop up a business.
Those some dudes may be very savvy at everything else
and have no not insufficient technical expertise to make any

(01:14:13):
other assessments other than we've taken design, we've tweaked it,
we've shot it. It's good enough or better enough. But
asking them what they what they suggest is kind of want.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
That's could be a double edged sword.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
You're you're you're not always getting you know, you're not getting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
You don't know who's responding to you when you ask
them that kind of stuff. Is this okay for my
three D pretty you can uh, yeah, I haven't seen
a problem. You've been in business for six months and
you sold fifty cans. Of course you haven't seen a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
Very true.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
You know though, I always seerious people people using grease
says corn pops okay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yeah, and there I would say, as as somebody who's
not a grease person. The example I sided is that's
what they're going to use. And that's I don't know
the order, and I don't think you may not necessarily
responding to me is as a negative or a counter
but yeah, that's the We also need to look at
the ritualistic nature of cleaning guns. That's a watching TV thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Oh, it could be so enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Yeah, if that's what you do, if you're if you're
a Sunday you watch watch old episodes of gun Smoke
and clean your stuff and your grease it and whatnot,
You're you're negating the issues of using.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
That good point.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I'm so as just kind of in general, you gotta
be careful what contexts people project in their responses.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Yeah, so just for clarification that when people are doing
that watching gun smoke and clean guns has to be
single action revolvers and lever guns and double barrel shotguns
just had to.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Wear in caveat. Yeah, you know, I haven't seen many,
you know, competition shooters using Greece just because to go
back to the clearance conversation, you know those guns, that's right,
they have a lot tighter clearances, and some of the
guys like to use like we we work with a
grand Master out of Louisiana, great dude, phenomenal shooter, and

(01:16:33):
he kind of picks and chooses which flavor he uses
depending on the day, where he's at, you know, if
it's hot or cold, and how much he uses to.
So I think it's all personal preference at the end
of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
What solvents won't affect finishes in your guys experience? Are
there any specific guidelines to figure out what finish? Yeah,
you know all that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
It's kind of a it's kind of a hard question
to be honest with you. It our seven twenty five
won't pull finish carbon killer. That might be another story.
It's a more aggressive solvent that's designed to get to
really penetrate and get that baked on stuff. So I
would just make sure you're careful with time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Yeah. Also yeah, yeah, they're parameters for that. Go beyond that.
Don't draino all day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
There's what what is the finish, what's the dual time?

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Is their agitation? What kind of agitation?

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
How does it taste?

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
It also depends on if that finish has any impurities
or d lambs. You know, if it's if it's flaking
or if there's something on that you know, where it's
it's exposed to the unfinished metal under there. You know,
you see that a lot like it'll penetrate and start
to peel that d lamb up. Yes, So it really

(01:17:58):
just depends.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Yeah, I would say one of the things that I have,
I've used uh simple grain aerospace or whatever that's worked well.
I've not soaked it overnight. I've not used it for
very long. Also controlled some things. I know, simple grain
doesn't behave simple green doesn't behave well barre aluminum, and

(01:18:22):
there are run into some issues with something else. Uh
break cleaner I don't think has any I don't even
find break cleaner chlorine anymore. But uh, you know the
chlorine free break cleaner is a thing, and I wish
I could remember it, and maybe Chris as I as

(01:18:43):
I mentioned that you might have more because I've not
dealt with it a ton. There was something with some
of the ultrasonic stuff and certain things where you run
into microfractures and cracking uh in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Certain materials, maybe stainless.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
With the rights of the circumstances, because I know stainless itself,
you are across contamination. You can run into problems with
it when it interacts with carbon. But is there anything
on that front that you can that comes to mind?

Speaker 7 (01:19:18):
Or am I misremembering or just no, I could I
could see that happening because you know, I'm no metal
or just but you know that it does weird things,
especially with temperature changes and depending on the quality of the.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Metal as well as steel, you know, it could become brittle,
especially if it wasn't heat treated properly. But I haven't
come into any instances where I've seen, you know, stress
fractures or cracks like that. From I mean, I've seen
it under use of the firearm, seeing fractures and stress

(01:19:50):
cracks like that on slides and things of that nature,
but never during an ultrasonic clean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
I think this might be the most important question that
we've had ever. Why does number nine solvents smell so good?

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
I don't so, I don't. I don't have it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
It smells like brain damage.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I don't. I don't have a handy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
There's a I don't have the Hops one. There's a
Hops candle, and then there is a two stroke smoke candle.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
Is there really?

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
And air fus?

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, so Hops, hops and two stroke some of the
best smells.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
They do, Yeah, they can't. They do smell good. Our
carbon killer smells like citrus. So it's it's not like
it's not like a I can't even describe what Hoppies
nine smells like other than good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
What about CLP? I've used it for one hundred and
twenty years, no problems, And that was from me me.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
CLP is great, love it. Technically all of our oil
to CLP does a great job of getting that you know,
loose carbon off. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
But do you want to have something that's it's good
at a bunch of things but it's not great, or
would you rather have that product that's great at the
one thing you need it to do that's my argument
against c LP versus something like a slip e w L.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
See that's hard because you know the really that I
hadn't used cl like any other c LP in so long,
but I've used SLIP as c LP because it technically
is a c LP. But it does it does the
most important thing, which is lubricate, you know, the the
other clean, you know, clean and preserver on the back

(01:21:39):
burner for me. But but it does all, it all
does all three great for me in my experience.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
So that for me, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
I don't why Ashton would have the answer the yeah, yes,
the three different functions. So a like using a whatever
lubricant product or an oil is called generically an oil.

(01:22:07):
An oil can clean a candle, we can protect. There
are different types of oils, so you have you have
like a penetrating oil that will wick its way in,
and you have there are oils that will not protect.
And I don't know, I don't know what type they
are at the looking up and nobody wants to see

(01:22:28):
you do that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
But uh.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yeah, CLP is one of those anecdotal things to where
you know it's just fine. You know, they're I've seen
the bottle it just says CLP, I don't need to
makes that. And then I know I've also seen break free.
Uh and and going back to you, Chris, you guys
including stuff with.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Hot or with Sun's guns. Yeah, just that that's probably
gonna be When when when did that go into effect?

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
I think we started doing that back in March with
them because they're only like an hour and a half
for me, their their own pace from where I'm at,
so it was, you know, an easy trip for me
to head down there and see the shop and do
over everything. But yeah, so but I mean we we've
been you know, we were in LWRC boxes for years.

(01:23:22):
We're still in BCM boxes, so that you know, those
relationships are older than you know, ten years, five ten years.
And that's so that's kind of where we gained a
lot of following and why we have to just a
cult following because people found it in their box and
tried it and loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
That sound was actually going to ask like what kind
of impacts they have.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
I know, I have a friend who owns a guitar
string company or probably owned a guitar string company, and
the their numbers provided by their like ours there by
their NSSF. You know, like what's what strings do you use?
And what was the first of strings that an instructor

(01:24:06):
or somebody recommended to you? And it's not obscene like
into the eighties or ninety percent of like, well, my
first guitar teacher told me to buy these strings, and
these are what I use now, even though yeah, they
couldn't tell a difference, but uh no, the as far

(01:24:27):
as the LP, but like a lot of the anecdote,
there is people where it's problematic generally temperature, but a
lot of the people that are using it aren't necessarily
And it's also like the hops and the other ram
oils and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Stuff like that they're cleaning beforehand.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
After you know that there's a ritualistic for them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
You bring up guitars like you own them or.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Play them a long time to play them, that's just scribble, But.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
I have we're watching just look at at them.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Yeah, they looked a lot of these make good background.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
For Yeah, yeah, so I remember something.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Oh second, No, I was gonna say, I got to
work on my war room, you know. I we just
moved into this house and I feel bear back there.
I'm getting ready to get a Galco. Well myself, there
you go. Is that Galco?

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
This is I can't remember, and I think that's the
brand I'm thinking of.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
So it's a I wounded up having to do a
Google search to find specifically a metal peg board. I
don't remember who it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Was, Gallo Tech, that's what it is, not Galco. It's
a holster brand.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
It's holsters. A bunch of holsters behind me. Now, this
was I don't remember, Diamond something I think I don't recall. Okay,
but it's been good, hasn't broken the house yet?

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Say its stones that wall?

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
I remember something from my past, and I think it
would be kind of nice to discuss the idea of
copper solvent potentially ruining chrome plate. Now we've already talked
about the need the necessity to follow instructions when it
comes to solvents, cleaners or whatever's and I brought up
Draino jokingly, but Dreino also says it has instructions. You

(01:26:12):
add it with hot water or you and then you
watch it down with hout water after X amount of minutes.
If you wait too long, you might run into issues
copper solvents if you leave them on for too long
with certain plating or certain surfaces, you may wind up
having a flaky surface.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Ohad percent, what do they do?

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
They eat metal?

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
Yeah, it's his job. Yeah. And we only have one
product that you know, it's it's our copper cutter, and
we're actually getting ready to discontinue it sometime this year
because it's our only toxic product that we offer. Apparently
because it is, it does have an ammonia additive and
that's what eased that copper away. But there's there's a

(01:27:00):
lot of follow up when using any type of copper
solvent or solvent in general. Of the caveat of it's
very important to clean, you know, flush it hot water
just like grano, and then reapply a high quality lube
that's going to be your your best s op for
for that type of solvent.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
So that's where not necessarily solving. But that's where like
when I've used simple grain in the past for cleaning.
You know, soak liberally is simple grain. Spray it soak
with WD forty two or hot water, then w D forty,
wipe that off and then actually lubricate it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Yep, So so w.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
D forty as you're lubricant, no it's water displacement, not not.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Where, not where I was intending to go with it,
don't No, I know, But that's that's perfect because how
many people are using w D forty as a lubricant
when it actually got it be used as it that's
will go go and go back to what I said earlier,
like there's lots of different types of oil.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Yeah, w D fourty is an oil, doesn't and w.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
D stands for.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
Water displacement. Yeah, I did not know that. I know
there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Yeah, and that gun oil. But can it be used obviously,
but you may wind up having some residue, some gummy whatever's.
I know my dad used w D forty four ever
on everything until I gave him some slip two thousand.
That's a true story.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
So there's Uh, So we just got my grandma's house.
It was on my I think it's I think it's
actually everybody's closed or it's closed now and gone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
But yeah, that's so her house.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
There were you know, some closets and stuff like that
that were he w D forty where it actually like
seized up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
HM. So I was going through my phone this week
and I found a really cool actually a couple of
cool audio recordings of a a couple Will Larson semper
paratus arms, armor courses. It's just audio only, I think
I've had. I have one that's like fifteen or a

(01:29:07):
couple or like fifteen minutes, and another's an hour. And
I posted it to the audio side of the modcast.
So if you're watching this on YouTube, you're not going
to be able to see it. It's only on the
audio side, So check it out. I listened to it.
I actually recorded it with or I posted it without
listening to it, and I listened to it as soon

(01:29:27):
as I posted it, and it was a cool discussion.
I really enjoyed listening to it. I wish I had more.
But there was a question that came up and it
was for me, and I remember asking it. And it's
also talking about different substances interacting with different metals, and
I remember hearing something about and of course Tom leaves
right when I bring this specific topic up there, it's

(01:29:54):
the idea of graphite on raw aluminum e roodesin them
and so this is this is from the wayback machine,
back when these were hot topics we were talking about.
And I remember just this week listening to that recording
and hearing my voice asking that of Will Larson, who
passed away a few years ago. But it's funny how

(01:30:17):
this specific topic there were so many tangents and there
are so many things that people were bringing up, and
it was almost it was almost I wouldn't say it's
common knowledge, but these were things that were really really
in the front of our many of our minds. Do
you guys know anything about that, about the the idea
of that that graphic erodes raw aluminum.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
I'm going on right about right, I'm gonna sit down
back at my desk out to look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
I remember something about I remember a lot of the conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Around that because I don't know where graph I don't know,
I don't recall what graphite was an additive in. But
I remember that because and that wasn't the first time.
You know, my entry into like this space was in
uh two thousand and seven, six and seven, before I
was born be where you're born. I was just a baby,

(01:31:11):
and you know Will was on and for carbeing dot
net a ton, you know, he was you know, one of.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
The one of the one of the yeah, one one
of the big guys there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
That was, you know, a great away you knew to
you know, listen to and read and whatnot. But there's
a lot of stuff like that that popped up. Aluminum
is like sim like simple grain will eat the piss
out of aluminum. Draino, draino will eat it away. So
in you know, in in paintball, you know, the cool

(01:31:43):
thing was to have your guns anadized and whatnot. Draino
is what people would use to strip the anadizing. Often
if you do it carefully, it's fine. If you do
it too much, it will eat it away. But yeah,
simple grain, I made a mistake of I had Chevy
Cavalier that had I don't know if it was a

(01:32:04):
valve cover that was a lumine or something, but it
was bear untreated aluminum. And I cleaned the engine off
before I sold it and had Simple Green, you know,
got it warmed up. It was Simple Green. Scrubbed it
here with more Simple Green and it was Simple Green
one to one and not think any anything of it.
And it was nasty corroded because it's a basic cleaner.

(01:32:26):
Like I last time I purchased Simple ran about my
five gallons. But if you aren't aware you can ruin
a lot of household stuff with it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Yeah, yeah, I remember people online talking about using graphite
as a as a lubricant for like an air fifteen.
The reason why and for yeah, you're if you're not
heavily into this and listen to this casually. Air fifteen's
are primarily some form of an aluminum and there's a
possibility with use there's going to beware, especially like around

(01:32:59):
charging handles and where bulk carriers are moving and you're
going to be wearing down to see the aluminum itself,
and to add something like that might not be in
your best interest.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Yeah, I mean even I, even you know, most probably
all three of us here can assemble an AR just fine.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
We've all probably at least got one a AR.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
We've assembled that it's got one of those fuck nicks on them,
and it doesn't take much to cause a pretty pretty
pretty big problem when you go through the end of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Just scratches and stuff just from normal use.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
Oh yeah, idiot marks. It's likely, you know, you just
assemble in nineteen eleven. You gotta be careful you can
an idiot mark on it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
So the first AAR fifteen I ever owned was a
bush Master and side story, I had to send it
back because one of the feed ramps had a bur
in it and it wouldn't It would shoot once and
then when it would try to go up the other ramp,
it wouldn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
So you have four feet ms.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
I don't remember. As a matter of fact, that's one
of the topics from that Will Larson video or audio.
I yeah, but this this, this rifle. Finally I got
it back from the factory. It works, it's awesome. I
take it up bunny hunting and I get done shooting.
It was fun and I put it in back in

(01:34:23):
my vehicle and I noticed there are all these scratches
and oh gosh, I have scratches all over this rifle.
It was perfect. It's funny. How if I look at
my rifles now, Yeah, scratches all over, I don't care.
It's because they're used, because you use them right in
that character. Yeah, they're loved. I don't want things, and

(01:34:43):
I'm not saying I'm a fan of battle worn finishes. No,
if it's earned, if I do it myself, because from
actual use, it's a plus. Oh yeah yeah, but yeah,
these scratches, these gouges just from carrying or just from
shooting or just being walking through a field and rubbing
on whatever equipment I have that might gouge the the receivers. Yeah,

(01:35:04):
I'm going to see some little shiny marks.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
So yeah, I think I think it was that Birchwood
and Casey make aluminum blue. I think it is. I
don't know that. I don't know if that would work
on there's two, they make two different products. I used
to use one in the gunsman shop all the time.
I'm not a gunsmith. That was an armor, But you know,
those can help give you some more protection if you're

(01:35:28):
worry about erosion or you know, something happening to that
nick or scratch. Dep't know how deep it is obviously too.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
And also what you can always do is just drag
it down the driveway and that's automatically battle worn.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Yeah, so that's a galvanic corrosion that you run into
with graphite.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
Okay, Okay, so yeah, Tim was right in the comments
as well, he called it, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Ti, Tim, who's Tim telling people to do battle worn?

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
Gosh?

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
That's it. He's banned. Okay, So what are we missing?
What topic? What aspect of this topic? Have we not
talked about, and this question not only is going to
the panel, it's going to you guys that are watching live,
because you guys have been providing some really really good content,
some good questions. I've liked taking your stuff putting on

(01:36:19):
the screen, and we got to discuss it. So anyone
shotgun blasted? Is there something that we haven't yet touched
upon other than mustaches? Okay, I like that one saltwater

(01:36:44):
or marine environment, lubricants, anything specific. Does this ring true
for anyone that yes, this is something I've experienced with?

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
You know, I think I think with modern technology, there's
coatings like maritime coatings now that alleviate a lot of
those problems. But I would still follow up with a
high quality loube. You know two thousand has been great
for moisture wicking and rust prevention for me. So but

(01:37:14):
I think, yeah, the the coatings and finishing technology have
kind of almost eliminated that problem.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Yeah, coatings, metal choice. I also live near Pittsburgh, so
not prone to finding salt water other than in the winter.
And uh, what I have seen because I know this

(01:37:46):
is this has come up over the years, and you know,
if people are concerned, they'll you know, Sarah code or
just spray bomb, and then most of the cases of
spray bomb, you know, the simplest barrier and also gets
battle worn quickly, so it looks cool. But going back
to you know, a a practice that you know, I'll

(01:38:06):
if I if I use any kind of a cleaner,
you know, cleaner for for the whole gun on hot
water WD forty and then the actual lubrication product or
protected product depending And that's something I don't I don't
know what a perfect slip product is. I know the
AMS oil stuff that I buy a bunch of the

(01:38:27):
this needs to be one hundred dollars to have free shipping,
or needs to be so many components. They have a
good u W D forty like in use case and
the price and so on. Uh, it's but it's a
lubricant and it also protects. It's really good. That's their
MP product. That it's a kind of effectively like a

(01:38:50):
but it's not silicon like the silicone rag kind of thing.
You know. It's like everything's kind of just neat with
Licodo oil on it. That's what I'll use.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
I will point out this one thing. Let me see
if I can. I'm going to share a screen. Here
in a moment, I can remember how to do that,
because it's so difficult. There it is, share screen. Why
does it have to be so difficult. Our friend Jeremy Stafford,

(01:39:24):
who works at Mossburg, great guy. We were talking about
this specific shotgun, the five ninety Mariner, and for some
reason he has his customers talk about this word right here.

(01:39:45):
It's not Marion Cote, it's marine coat. That is all
that little bit of information goes out to Jeremy. H Well,
I think we covered a lot of really cool stuff.
I think it was hopefully. If anything, if you don't

(01:40:09):
have here, if okay, I'm going to be the salesman
here for a second, if you don't only have your
favorite lube, I really I found slip two thousand EWL.
It worked. I'm still using it. Pat Rogers was the
catalyst to this. I was using whatever I could find
before it's I got some weird screen going on. It

(01:40:34):
just works. It's easy to apply. It stays on your gun,
especially if your gun is going to be in various temperatures,
like in a hot patrol car over the summer. You
don't have to reply, you don't have to worry about that. Yeah,
you do need to check the condition on occasion. Upkeep
is super simple. Go to those high round count classes
which seem to be fading away, but go to those classes,

(01:40:56):
wipe down whatever it needs to be wiped, reapply. You're
good for the rest of the day. I've been pleased
with it. I'm happy. I'm happy to say, yeah it works.
Just get something that works. It doesn't have to be slipped.
But that's that's the stuff that I found I can
personally vouch for. So we're right about We're right at

(01:41:19):
the point where we're going to do the final thoughts
final plus. I said at the beginning of the episode,
my favorite thing to say is make sure that you
are supporting those sources that you have found to be beneficial.
If you like what these guys had to say, you're
going to want to follow them on social media, whether
it's them individually or their companies. While you're watching their stuff.

(01:41:42):
If they share something that you especially appreciate, you got
to share that. You got to subscribe. Because the algorithms
are not working in our favor, you get to be
the algorithm. Because the people in my circle, they're seeing
all the same they're seeing the same stuff I am.
But you know, you might be the gun guy in

(01:42:02):
your circle and you might find some really really good
good information. Share it because your circle might not be
aware of this really high quality information. And it doesn't
have to be primary secondor it doesn't have to be
Dark Star. It doesn't have to be Slip two thousand.
It can be from Lewis. It could be from Botkin.

(01:42:22):
His name is not Lewis Lucas Bodkin. It could be
from Hop. It can be from Brass Facts. It can
be from a Focus Trip. It can be from all
these different Matt Pranka, could Ben Steger, all these great
sources of information that have that are contributing some wonderful
concepts that probably aren't getting the attention that they deserve.

(01:42:44):
So if you're finding good sources of info, make sure
you're subscribed, make sure you're sharing when you find those
tidbits that help you. So these guys are now going
to tell you some stuff about what they're thinking right now,
like mustache care, but also where you can find them,
so tomb final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Plugs you know, so so plug and I'll get the
at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Uh Yeah, Dark Star gear like lots of stuff been
been slow, you know, going on the shares, going on
the market and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
So if we do something you like, awesome, share it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Uh We're not your favorite holstor maker and somebody else
is and they do something you like, share it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Uh, we share each other's stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
It's I we're find lots of other people are fine.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Lots of people aren't. If you've got a favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Company out there and you've got twenty bucks and they
sell something, maybe go buy something, maybe share something. It's
it's it's a tough time for the industry in general.
Uh just you know, summer vacation. You know, we're going
into back to school. Uh, but it's a it's a
tough time in the world. And so if somebody's doing

(01:43:50):
something you like, support it. It's lots of free ways
to support things. Shifting to the topic at hand, you know,
I know, I I qualified think with you know, I've
come to be just oil only if I've somehow criticized
your favorite lube, favorite concoction. Uh if you yea, not

(01:44:11):
just the so tar guys.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
I'm not saying it's crap.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
I have no reason to make it. I have lots
of other free stuff that I'll never out use. But
the biggest thing I would like people to understand the
anecdote and what that means, and kind of generically in general,
you're the context of your personal use where you may
or may not have seen failures, and you know the

(01:44:37):
context of other people. You know, in a lot of
our circles, we've got people that you know, some live
in Alaska.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
You know it's winter six months out.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
What works for them may not apply to you. And
in you know, in anecdotic space, there are a lot
of bad products or a lot of things that aren't
even gun loops that will work on a seventy degree
sunny day that may not work at forty degrees. So
just understand and also understand that, you know, chasing perfect

(01:45:12):
and optimal verse just works because I have no problem
and no shame. If I got to go pull a
dipstick out of a car to drip some oil down
on a bolt, I will that's not perfect, but it's
it's going to work because it's still well and above
the bare minimum that it takes for the thing to run.
You know, it's a it's a wide it's a wide

(01:45:33):
net to hit that mark. So just keep that in
mind when you're talking about how awesome your favorite thing
might be or how bad something else might be.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Well, in our immediate circle, tore and the conditions he's
living in are very different from us. He's in frozen
tundra or maybe not that extreme, but the conditions he's
living are very different.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Well, that's actually a uh a good one. A lot
of the you know, Swedes and Finns that have gun culture,
they they do things very differently.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
That's kind of in general, that might be a good
episode idea.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Yeah, I was hit up some of the yeah up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
In the up towards the Pole people. Actually that was
so when we did our jungle episode. Jungle episode was awesome.
I brought up an Arctic one and I don't think
we ever did it, but we have the people and
where I'm connected to a lot of fins would be
really cool to have one. But then in our own
immediate circle was that very Silica sponsor.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Yeah, we'll do it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Live in Finland. I'd love to go there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
I want to I so bad want to go to
the go to that part of Europe.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
I've not been there yet. Yeah, yeah, and I my
bloodlines go to Sweden for me, So I don't think
I'll recognize anything.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
Chris, Uh yeah, yeah, I you know, I don't have
too much to add. I think you know, you kind
of touched on it really well. Is that you know,
support the brands that that you like. The gun community
is a small community and we are all kind of
in the same boat where we serve the same mission
in my mind, to provide good products to our customers.

(01:47:18):
But being there to support and you know, remembering that
we're all on the same side here is huge.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Slip two thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
Oh yes, and you know Slip two thousand. Obviously you
can find us on social where we're found nationwide where
we're doing some cool things with social media. Right now,
we're trying to grow. Our new owner is very hot
to trot on updates, you know, reinvesting back into the
company to provide a better experience for end users and
social media stuff's cool where I'm trying to figure out

(01:47:51):
a way to recreate the filthy fourteen Yeah. M prices
have gone up quite a bit since then, so it
might be a pistol version that could be cool of
this challenger. Something simply.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
Actually there's something that's because it's they're so dirty, you know,
and I.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Don't mean like speaking of twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Yeah, little excellent.

Speaker 4 (01:48:15):
Phenomenal, phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
I think I have one behind me and I have
one of my controls truck. It's fantastic, great for putting
down animals.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Oh I believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Can't believe it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
Oh yeah, you know, and I never thought I would
I'd love the trust gun, but yeah, I love that
X twenty two. It's a it's a great product, but
moral story, support, support those who are putting out the
good information and you know, remember we're all on the
same side here.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
So yeah, Bilthy twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
I like it. Tim's been on it tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Yes, he has the show. Tonight's free on for Tim.
He doesn't have to pay tuition that he can have
free access to this episode. So big thank you to
the panel. As for the norm great discussion. I love
doing these. Thank you to Tim and Corn Pops and

(01:49:08):
all the people that participated. Genuinely though, it is cool
to have the audience participation. This is the biggest thing
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(01:49:32):
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but it does cost. It costs me so and not

(01:50:15):
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So yeah, if you like this, considered considered supporting in
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those subscriptions and those shares are also very valuable and
that doesn't take any effort to hit the like button.
Right about now comments and then they all go down.

(01:50:40):
Comments are great.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
Yeah, one of the things I ever got to like
eat the stupid drive by comment, even if you hate
something like that's the thing that I love, like, you know,
watching YouTube, so like people really get into it. All
they're doing is yeah it clicks or clicks, Yeah, hate
clicks are almost worth more.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
And yeah, dumb comments, Yeah, that actually gets some good,
good interaction. And it's funny how many primary and secondary
fans are following this and going, oh, I want to
talk to this guy. This guy's dumb. It happens. I
did bring up also on the audio side, so if
you didn't already know, on iTunes, Spreaker, what's the other one?

(01:51:25):
Spotify basically your favorite podcast or audio app? These are
these are on there, but there might also be some
additional content. Just this week, I released an hour lecture
from the late Will Larson from an Air fifteen Armor class.
The audio isn't the best. You may have to turn
it up. What I did do with that episode though,

(01:51:46):
or what I did with that recording, I uploaded it.
I provided a little bit of commentary on it. It
just did in the description. Will was a friend, He
was a primary and secondary moderator. I met him, I
knew him by reputation. He was probably one of the best,
if not the best Air fifteen armors alive at the time.
I wound up interacting with him online and low information

(01:52:07):
gun groups and we almost tag teamed. It was so
much fun going into these groups knowing that Will's on
the other end of some of these discussions, and we
just pummeled people with right, with good info, Tom, do
you have something very well?

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
So, yeah, he's He was very much the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
What a lot of people listening may not really know
is like, you know, even up until twenty ten, there
was so much inertia on just bad knowledge, you know, like, yeah,
maybe twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen was on things kind of
finally went away to where you didn't have the oh
my god, my uncle had a day or or had

(01:52:48):
an M sixteen in Vietnam and it was the worst
thing ever. But but Will was in the you know,
pre gat post g watt Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
We finally learned how to make this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
Work there and you know, learned a lot of the
stuff the hard way, and the amount of information he
put out for as long as he did, I was astounding.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
Yeah, and if you wound up, if you were fortunate
enough to attend one of his classes, you wound up
getting a thumb drive full of documentation and it was
fan and I still have I still have those somewhere.
The thing when I did about that, I wish I
wish I would have improved the audio before I uploaded it.
It basically starts in the middle of a conversation and
it ends very abruptly. But one of the things I

(01:53:34):
did do is the ads should only be at the
very beginning and the very end. They shouldn't be interrupting.
I've also changed the settings of the audio podcast from
last episode to future that the ads should only be
playing at the very beginning and the very end. I
got a lot of complaints about that. That being said,

(01:53:54):
that ad revenue from those ads did make up for
all the losses I've been having on Patreon patrons in
the toilet and all corporate sponsorship stuff is in the
toilet right now, So I'm gonna take what for them people. Yeah,
there's yeah, there's yeah, But yeah, that that revenue was
nice to have. But if it's if it's, if it's
upsetting the message, I'm just going to cut that out,

(01:54:17):
and so yeah, the ads should be greatly dis decreased
from this last episode, which was really really good with
Doc gk R and Mike Lewis and all these awesome guys.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Yeah, Doc's another one that you know, going back to
the NFORC days and stuff like that, where so much
stuff for free, and I it's hard for me to
keep up on forums and stuff like that, but I
still think he's just as active as he ever was.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Yeah. Yeah, And the funny thing, man, we talked about
sons a little bit. I do think doesn't Soun's own
MFORC now, I think they do, but in news for me, yeah,
and that was the that's the forum M four Carbing.
So a little side note also, and I don't know

(01:55:03):
about maybe with Tom, but for me, Air fifteen dot com,
M for Carbing, light Fighter were my three big ones.
And when I saw the everything was kind of fading,
I decided, well, you know what, clearly, if things like
this are fading, I should start my own. Yeah it's
worked out Great's that's sarcasm.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
I Oh, I got to reset my password.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
That happens. But yeah, love being able to provide this
kind of stuff. Love these discussions. Love getting this networking, Chris.
You mentioned something where I sent out a text that
hopefully all peer back and that might help get some
networking for you going. Also, there was a silencer company

(01:55:50):
that said something in the notes that they would love
to participate in your new product test.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
Oh I love that. Yeah, I love that absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
Alan Engineering.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
Oh that's a that's a really famous name in the
industry too.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
So the the Filthy twenty two, I think there's something there,
and so I.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
It. What's coming to mind is you can get the
right companies on board.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
Of course, would do it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Well, I'm going a step further.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
Actually go what's ever and we could get Barretta on board.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
What's everybody's favorite Ammo company or Ammo online source?

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Okay, honestly, right now for me that Lucky Gunner. And
then I've been ordering so much from High Desert Cartridge
because I really like what Steve has been making Lucky
gun As a matter of fact, I couldn't there's a
there's a package on my doorstep right now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
So I'm just looking, Uh, let me find the.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
Lowest cost per round. Uh, it's still going to be
fifty two it's still going to be uh twelve hundred
dollars an ammo.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Now, I was like, that's not that bad, you know,
considering well, what.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
I what I was thinking of is have multiple filthy
twenty twos. The fourteen was one guy that was that
was a it was filthy fourteen because it was number fourteen.
At least that's what I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
I could be going, yeah, because all his rifles were
numbered happened to be fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
So now obviously you're not gonna be able to do
twenty two of them, but multiples I think could be
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
So and the first thing that came.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
To mind is like, well, why don't you just case
it up and pass it along? Yeah, everybody, does you
know five thousand rounds? Because mind you, twenty two thousand
rounds is a lot. That's twenty two thous some sugar
presses a lot. It's also twenty two thousand rounds. You
got a load?

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
Yes, Well, just within our network, we have people like
Jared Rest and Steve Fisher, Chuck Presburg, Bill Blauers, all
these guys that I could see them getting a create
and passing it around in a class. And Okay, I.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
Think selfishflly about how could I be involved?

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
Yeah, well, and and and clearly a tom tom kay,
that's a lesson, That's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
But uh no, it's not like I'm now I'm looking now,
I'm looking to see. Uh now does a pistol do that? Fairly?

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
And I'm looking at Tourus right now. They only have
bolt action rifles, So that's a I.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
Feel like it to be two, you know, some I
feel like a semi automatic would would be the way
to ross make that work. That is a good option too.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
Because ROSSI and Touris are the same mhmm. And I
believe they had a semi auto twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
Rifle they got they got a leverage.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Caleb would return is not return my text?

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
ROSSI has always a leverage. Could you imagine twenty two
thousand ship's gonna be fallt apart? And that's that's not
a knock on the lever gun itself. But I would
be really curious to know what the design life is,
if there's even a design life that's into that many
thousands of rounds, because then also you're looking into when

(01:59:33):
you're shooting that much, you're not just subconscious that you're
not gonna be doing in the same area, just be
going to shoot for the sake of shooting. You're gonna
be imparting so much, so many other forces that it
wasn't designed for off axis forces, So.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
You're gonna so many broken things.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
It'll be it'll be a test of the firearm as
much as the lube for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
So my next question for Chris, I probably should ask
it offline, but I'm going to ask it right now.
Hey do I'm going to reach out to Brett the CEO,
see if you'd be interested in some kind of a
Taurus and ROSSI and.

Speaker 4 (02:00:11):
I think it'd be fun. Yeah, I'd love it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
And I'll add Caleb to that text too, because I
think this has the potential of being really cool for
Paul parties involved.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
I think so as well.

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
What if the challenge becomes a stem off with the
two thousand round challenge eleven times.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
With no cleaning in between, just lube, right yep? I
think so. When I was thinking of making it like
a weekly segment eventually of you know, two thousand rounds
of a week, I mean that would take forever in
a day to complete.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
But well, yes, and no.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
Trying to trying to pull.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Up Hey Alex, that's what I just referred to. Yeah,
I just got a text that's what I just referred
to with Chris, and he is interested really sweet and
so that Alan Engineering.

Speaker 4 (02:01:28):
Yeah awesome. Yeah, I feel free to share my contact
info with and I'd love to love the chat.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
Yeah, my internet's being suddenly slow. Now's Allen Engineering? What's
their twenty two can look like? Because obviously you got
to be suppressed for the filthy twenty two.

Speaker 4 (02:01:48):
I feel like you should.

Speaker 3 (02:01:55):
That's actually eleven eleven suppressed twenty or eleven twenty two's
two thousand rounds and you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
Have to have cans on them from Ellen Engineering.

Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
Yeah, No, I think I think there's some juice there.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
But okay, Chris just texted to you Alex's info.

Speaker 4 (02:02:24):
Sweet.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
So for people watching or listening, this is how stuff
sometimes happens. Just kind of hit one. Let me just
reach out to see what happens. What's the harm you're
seeing it live? Sure, there's a lot of dead air
while we're all typing and trying to message each other.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
It's part of life googling on a podcast.

Speaker 4 (02:02:49):
No, but that's.

Speaker 3 (02:02:53):
The tourist website. My Internet is somehow just suddenly slow.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
So it's because every all the millions of people watching
right now just lugged into Taurus because they all are
buying t X twenty two's millions.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
Yeah, I it's over there.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
Many people watch it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
It's such a good gun.

Speaker 3 (02:03:13):
Taurus has provided, you know, been gracious to provide me
a lot of guns for no cost. I bought the
t X twenty two before it was at my app
My affl had one.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
When I was picking some other stuff up. I just
grabbed it because it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
Was so good. So do you see Alex his remark?

Speaker 4 (02:03:32):
I did see that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
Yeah, we don't have a twenty two can yet, but
we're working on one.

Speaker 4 (02:03:37):
Ooh, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
And if you guys don't know Alex, he's one of
good guys long time. As a matter of fact, Alex
might have been in this he was in one of
the armor classes. No, he wasn't. He was just passing
by and saying hi with will Larson. But well, yeah,
one of my recordings is from the day that I

(02:04:00):
went and hung out with them. That happened to be
also the same day I bought a sky and a
Taurus G two millennium, which I bought purposely because they're
crappy guns.

Speaker 4 (02:04:16):
Yeah, if anyone has a lead on the high cap
mags for that t X twenty two, I'd love to know,
because I cannot seem to find them anywhere. I got
stuck with ten round mags and I know they make
fifteen and twenty rounders for it, so i'd throw that
out there.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
That would be axles sent.

Speaker 1 (02:04:32):
So yeah, I'm texting them as we speak along with Brett.
So cool.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Well, we just need five thousand of those bags.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Yes, and I think those mags probably need to be
of a different, more sturdy material. They just kind of
feel kind of weak to me.

Speaker 4 (02:04:53):
I've only got about I say, five hundred rounds through
this gun, and I haven't you know, I've dropped him
a few times. They've they've held up pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:05:00):
Yeah, I'm just afraid of with them in storage, something happened,
someone sits on them, breaks them. Whatever, it's in a
pocket that snaps.

Speaker 4 (02:05:09):
Very true.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
So functionally yeah, not an issue, especially because it's it's
held in place and it's protected but by itself. I'm
just worried of it bending, breaking or someone puts graphite
on it. Yep, well I think that's pretty much it. Yeah,
if you haven't hit like already, it's due. Also side

(02:05:32):
note on YouTube. If for some reason YouTube decides to
demonetize this, ultimately, what I do is I take it down,
I do some quick little editing, I re upload, and
I play this game with YouTube until they allow it
to be monetized. There's a connection with monetization and the
natural sharing algorithm of these videos. If it's demonetized, it

(02:05:54):
doesn't seem to reach the same amount of people. So
I want to have this be able to reach people.
That's the why we're doing these. So that is all
press check the like button. If you haven't, just do
that as long as you're not disliking. Additionally, if you
hit that little bell thing, you get notified. When we're

(02:06:15):
doing these sometimes he's kind of come out as a surprise.
Not for me, I kind of know that they're coming,
but for others surprise everybody else.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
Everybody else that you're arranged to do that it's a surprise.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
Except for damn it, Ashton. I totally forgot to message him,
and then after we started, I messaged him like, sorry,
this is my my fault, My fault, I dropped the ball.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
The first time I've doing this. He's had a pretty busy,
uh the past couple of weeks, so.

Speaker 1 (02:06:50):
Cool. Well, I'm going to kill the feed, but for
the panel, panel is still going to be here because
I'm gonna roll that that final little gunshot thing. We're
gonna be able to talk some more. If you're happen
to be a Patreon subscriber of Network Support two or greater,
you can be hearing the pre and the post show.

(02:07:12):
So it's just something to think about Patreon. So that's all.
Talk to you guys later

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