S8 E34 - Greysen Reimer talks Fur Trade Relics - Native Artifacts & Copper Culture - on Relics Radio Podcast - Relics Radio show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So hey, we are live. Welcome everyone, Relative Radio Wednesday
night here in Northern Colorado, DK here with Adventures and Derek.
Good to see everyone rolling in, See y'all rolling into
the chat, looking forward to tonight's guests. Can't wait to
talk with him. Tons of questions and uh got to
bring in my my co host with the most Let's

(00:25):
bring him in right now. You know him as mister
fifty two eighty Adventures.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good morning, sir.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm good, doing really well.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, yep, that's good. It's cooling off around here in
Colorado these days.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Holy cow. Yeah on the first night balls here. Yeah,
it definitely made a change here in the past week.
And I can slowly kind of feel our metal detecting
season kind of starting to pit her out here. I
think there's not gonna be too many more weekends that
we're gonna be able to get out this year.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
We need where we're traveling to to get out. I've
got to move east, I think a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I think so too. Yeah, I got to tell a
quick story and hopefully our wives aren't watching right now.
But I get a call from Ken last week and
he goes, hey, listen, I uh I got to take
some vacation time, and I thought I would reach out
to you first before I book anything with my wife
soaring on vacation to go meddle.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh he's kidding, honey, He's just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
They're watching Housewives of Atlanta or whatever right now.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's true, though I did. I'm just like, hey, man,
before I commit myself too much. Where are we going?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
We're actually yeah, we've got some stuff in the works.
We're going to be heading heading out of probably out
of state, doing some things to try to find a
little bit of a warmer area coming up so we
can extend our season out a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, yeah, looking forward to We haven't been out a
little while.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
So I know anything we can do, it's been happening.
So yeah, we got to finish it out strong. Who's
coming in the chat to join us tonight? I want
to welcome everyone. Yeah, we got a whole bunch of
people here already. Metal Sharks jumped on early for us.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Jamn, good see you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, how about dirt Digging Historian excellent first time participating.
Thank you kindly for all you do. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, thanks, welcome, welcome, good seeing here.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
They're still here with us.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yep. How about Teresa. She said hey, hey, and I said,
my my, I wonder if she picked up on it.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh yeah, I didn't get that. I didn't get that.
Figure good evening, know you dirty money lovers. Tim good
that he got out this week.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
So yeah, yeah, pretty good. That's good, Bob Rose Rose.
Look at Tim's Oh well there's Bill Hayes. Yeah, he
was his birthday boy here. Yeah, happy birthday to Bill Hayes.
Happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
See Tim's other comment Chicago Ron, Yeah, chilling it over
in Colchester. I know, I know, I've been watching that stuff.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I been itching and trying to figure out how I
get back over there again.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
When I told you I had days to burn, We're like, well,
can we get back over to England?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
England? Well, friend said he was just over there too,
and about every day yet at first thing in the morning,
because she was just getting back from detecting for the day, right,
and just both a text going oh this is what
I got. Yeah, okay, thanks, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
That's cool man. She was over there and from the
field too. She would share stuff with us, you know
what I mean, Like she didn't have any friends with
her in her group. She met him all there, but
she didn't have any good friends with her. She went
on hers she went by herself, and so she was
texting Tony and I are fines as she would find
him and totally excited. It was great. Yeah, yeah, cool,

(04:11):
good you need to eat sector. Yeah, good to see you.
Good to see you. Quick cutta Robert Thompson, if Crookshanks,
good to see it. Welcome to one, con Mullen excellent.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, lots of people here.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
We had a great enter Ontario, Canada. I'm sorry, what's that?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
No, we got a great show. Great guest. We've actually
I reached out to this guest a while ago and
we just were just having to set up a time
and stuff. And I've been so anxious to talk with
Polson about everything he's got his hands on. It's been
a fantastic show, fantastic lots of information, a lot of pictures,
a lot of a lot of artifacts and relics and

(04:49):
stories to talk about.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
So I'm so into what he's interested in, what he's into, Like,
I'm so into it. It's like I want to learn
as much about it as I can. I can see
this really becoming another expensive habit for me.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's right, that's right. Let's bring them on. Let's get
them on, all right, let's do this. Good morning to
mister Grayson, raym or Grayson.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Good?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Going good? We glad you can come on and spend
some time with us and talk about all you're up to. Man,
I just I can't wait because it's so I'm so interested,
and I know a lot of our listeners are interested
in it too. So thanks, thanks for coming on.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
With us, No problem, I enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
All right. So where do we start? I got so
Tony and I share a Google doc sheet, so yeah,
we're both looking at We both share it so we
can see what each other writes in there. And we
had just a ton of questions and some pictures of
yours that we want to end up showing. So if
you're listening in, it's gonna be a great night. Stay tuned.

(06:02):
But let's why don't we just take it back to
the beginning, Right of all things? Right of all things,
we play baseball, We go camping. How did metal detecting
interest in artifacts all that? Where did all this interest
come from?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
So me and my dad have land down in Iowa,
and when I was a kid, my dad used to
get me into like looking for gear sheds. Have you
guys ever done that before. We're out one day and
we have this crick that runs through our property and
there was this old man in the creek and my

(06:43):
dad was he kind of got pissed, right because, like,
you know, he's trespassing on our property. But my dad
started talking to him and it was the nicest old
man and he kind of showed us what he was doing,
and he was looking for arrowheads down in a crick.
So then fast forward few months, I get back to
where I'm from, right, not from Iowa, back to the Midwest,

(07:07):
and I wanted to find arrowheads in my area. So
I started doing a lot of research all of this,
and one of my dad's buddies mentioned to me that
on an island right where I live in my town,
there was a copper spearhead found. So after that, that's

(07:27):
what got me started. I got my Garrett three hundred
out there and I started detecting, and then first time
out I found this nice conical spearhead from eight thousand
years ago. So I got excited. I was hooked.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Now did you immediately start once you once you found
this old man in the creek and talked it to
your dad about what he was finding his stuff, did
you immediately start wanting to learn about that? And then
when you heard about this copper spearhead, were you like, okay,
like you did you have any like did it did
you have any grasp but what that meant or was
it just an artifact you heard about or did you

(08:05):
know could possibly have been from a copper culture era
and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
So, like in Iowa, like right away when that guy
found that arrowhead, I was and this was a stone artifact, right,
not con with a metal detector. But yeah, right away,
I'm like, that's that's so cool. I was like, Dad,
you can go look for deer sheds. I'm gonna go
walk these cricks. And then so I did that, and
then yeah, I started doing some research after my dad

(08:33):
buddy told me that. And granted, I'm like thirteen twelve
years old at this time, and there's really not that
much online about it other than like on Facebook and
some a few videos on YouTube. It was a lot
of my own research. So I kind of went out
to this island. It was kind of a pipe dream, right,
And my dad was with me that day, and I

(08:55):
remember we dug down like two it was like a
foot in the sand, right, and with Garrett's that's that's
Max and now. And yeah, I pulled it up. But
I remember saying, before I pulled it up, I'm like, Dad,
I was like, this is going to be a copper
spear point that you that your buddy told me about.
And he's just kind of laughing, right, like thinking I'm
just some silly kid with the mello detector. And yeah,

(09:17):
I found it. And it was more after I found
that copper spearhead, that's when all the research started, and
that's how I started spending so much time looking for
the old copper complex.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I betman, I would have done the same thing.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I would have been like talking about getting hooked right
away right away.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
What what Garrett were you using? Did you say you
were using it? Garrett was like an old two fifty
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, it could have been a two point fifty. Maybe
it was like the three hundred, uh, you know, one
of those ones with the yellow box. And then you know,
I'm trying to think back now, maybe I could I
think I found that spiritual point with the old Boney Hunter,
which is even more crazy because that's like a one
hundred dollars machine right by those shop go for Walmart.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, and yeah I used the Garrat for a long time.
Got my mind lab Equinoxic, say eight hundred a year
and a half ago, and that's a fantastic machine. I
like it a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
That's what you're running with these days.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, the Equinox.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yep, great machine. I talked to you about the equinoxes. Man,
they just love them.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
And I've been around a couple of our buddies and
stuff have the Knoxes as well. And fantastic machines for sure,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
So then when you found it, did you just start
metal detecting after that or was it sort of did
you immediately start pouring into research or was it just
I'm going to go to the parks. I'm going to
go some houses. I'm going to try to I think
we were talking before the show. You said you were
kind of watching like Nugget and Awkward Figures videos and stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
So yeah, I guess I guess I was watching Nugget,
Nugg and Awk with Sugar when I was like probably
ten elevens. So I just turned twenty. I'm a sophomore
in college right now. But yeah, so I never really
had a park phase. I know where I grew up,
it was kind of like there's the main town and

(11:21):
then there's another little set off town. It's a little
milltown along the river. So I ended up doing like
all these abandoned lots, and after I did that, I
was trying to find coins. Couldn't really find coins because
it all had been been detected out. And then I
started to realize there's a lot of guys that metal
atteched and do lots and look for coins. So then

(11:43):
I started really to focus. Once I found that conical
spearhead did all the research, I was like, well, if
I'm going to spend all my time doing this, it
better be the oldest stuff out there, right, the old
copper complex and fur trade. So that's how I started
focusing in on that.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
You're in a great area obviously for all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, I mean I think I would have found that
conical spirit. I would have been like, yep, right, everything
else this fades away at that point. So what did
you do about sort of starting your research thing? Like
start I mean, because like I know nothing about that

(12:27):
aspect of what we love, Like I wouldn't even know
how to start to do research. I could. I could
look at light our maps and I can kind of
look at what I think is advantageous landforms for where
I thought maybe good setups would be for Native Americans.
But other than that, like how do you start. Do

(12:48):
you get into the community first and start meeting a
mentor maybe and all that kind of stuff, or do
you just start walking in the rivers and swinging.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
So it's a weird thing with the fur trade and
old copper community. It's kind of like a cult, and
I mean that in a good way. Very close group
of guys, so you kind of have to earn it first, right,
And I guess I've kind of adopted that same framework,
so like whenever I take guys out, they have to

(13:20):
find stuff, right, And that's not so like I go
to their sites. It's just because it shows a level
of dedication to it, right, Because it's easy when you
look on Facebook and see like me posting every day
copper spearheads and musket barrels, But that really takes a
lot of time and intuition research to get that knowledge.

(13:43):
I know the biggest number one. The first thing I
love to use is liid R. I know you already
mentioned that, but it's great. The DNR where I'm from
has their own public website and it's very high definition
e R.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
So yeah, great, a great free tool.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, I like it a lot. And then also the
old plat maps too, because there's so many dams on
the body of water where I'm at, for the whole Midwest, right,
you have dams on the Mississippi, you have dams everywhere,
so you don't know what it was actually underwater or
above the water line, et cetera. So if you look

(14:25):
at the old plat maps, you kind of get a
sense of what was what you know back then. And
then when it comes to old copper stuff, then it's
even more difficult than you know, let's say fur trade
looking for flat spots, looking for places that people would
have portage their canoes, et cetera, and old copper and

(14:45):
fur trade they overlap, right, because a good place where
the archaic nave Americans would have been a great place
for the fur traders French in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds,
So a lot of overlap with the.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Two I really know, like good life and survival, you
know kind of really hasn't evolved and changed all that much.
You're still looking for those same standing dynacal places because
if they.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Were good then they're going to be good now as well. Yeah,
I've even heard these days, you know, like if you
would think that's a good camp spot, chances are everyone
that came before you I probably think that's a pretty
good camp spot. But we just have so many changes,
landform changes and developmental changes that go on around us.

(15:30):
So I guess getting out into the sticks, getting out
into some more remote areas and seeing what's there and
trying to put that all together is definitely probably part
of the challenge.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
You know, Yeah, no, it can be. I know what
I've noticed, and I'm sure you guys noticed this too,
Like in your research, all the highly developed areas for
let's say, like for trade in your guys' area, or
even Civil war, Revolutionary war, uh, Native American artifacts, they're

(16:02):
usually right where the big cities and the towns are
built on the river systems today, right, I know, Like
what you said, what a good spot was a thousand
years ago, three hundred years ago is a good spot now.
So a lot of my permissions that I get, Yes,
some are you know, miles and miles in the woods,
but other ones are right in people's yards and you

(16:25):
just got to get the right soil has to be perfect.
And once you get that, really know what you're doing,
You're You're good, You really are.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
What do tons of questions about that?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I know, I know with those with those things that
you're finding that are you know, six seven thousand years old.
I know it's a general a general statement, but you know,
in terms of depth wise, I mean, are you talking
that these things are really, you know, over a foot
deep or more?

Speaker 3 (16:54):
So. E've run surveys on some of my copper sites before,
especially when I was younger because I'm going to school
for archaeology now, but when I was, you know, fourteen fifteen,
thirteen years old, I kind of wanted to turn into
a science right, So I'd go to these places where
I had found copper spearheads and I would survey them.

(17:15):
And if you guys don't know what a survey is,
it's when you take a screen right with wooden legs
and they basically a basketball sized hole in the ground
and what I found out was most of these copper sites.
To get to the ark clayer, it's about three to
two and a half feet down to the ground. Your
mel tectors are get that deep. So I want you

(17:35):
guys to imagine this right now, the old copper complex,
these copper spear points I am finding. You have ten
thousand years ago to forty five thousand, right, that's a
lot of time. Have you ever walked in the woods
before and noticed all the trees are uprooted.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Other trees that are uprooted in the woods. Yeah, yes,
sure there are some.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
So that's what's going on. If you're if you're in
mature like woods, right, and you can find copper stuff there,
it's all out of context at that point because over
you know, four thousand, five hundred to ten thousand years,
so many trees fall over, so many animals dig things up,
and that they're digging up those copper artifacts, and that's

(18:21):
how they're found. Some of my best sites are flat
ground on water that is about to get developed because
they're moving all the dirt around and then you find
everything there. Right, Because the majority of these copper sites
in the middle of the woods, you're only getting a
fraction of it. You really are interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I think it's when you start talking about five thousand
and six thousand, thousand years ago. We can hear the number,
we can understand how big a number that is, but
it is so unrelatable, you know what I mean, It
just seems so unrelatable. I guess if it's somebody like
you that spends a lot of time kind of studying

(19:06):
thinking in those terms, maybe it means something more to
you than to me. But all I know is is
just darned old, you know what I mean. Like, that's
that's a long time ago, and you would just think
that development would completely erase everything over that long a time.
But how do you how do you reconcile that? Like,

(19:28):
how do you reconcile when you're holding something it's eight
thousand years old in your hand?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I mean, I say it a lot of my videos.
I'm like, guys, no one has touched this in eight
thousand years. I'm the first person, first man to hold
this again in that long of time. And it's it's
one of those things, no matter how much knowledge you have,
or how much knowledge you think you have on the
old copper culture, it's still it's hard to grasp, right.

(19:54):
It kind of takes, yeah, wait for the adrenaline to
go down and for you to go home that night,
and then you're kind of laying in your bed, you know,
kind of touching it and looking at it and being like,
oh my gosh, this is the oldest metal working in
the world that I'm holding in my hand. And a
Native American made this, and this was used for hunting

(20:17):
in his survival. He needed this artifact to live. So yeah,
it's it's mind blowing for sure.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I think I think we struggle with putting it in
context because we have reference points in history that we
can we can relate the relics, art effects that we
find and to say, oh, this is you know, this
is pre Civil War, you know, eighteen fifties. Now you
have you have a spot in history where you can say, okay,
this is kind of how they were living during that time.
But you're talking, you know, we don't have a relatable

(20:47):
time that we really can say, you know, eight thousand
years ago and really understand what everything was like. Honestly,
I mean, it was so it was so different.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Oh yeah, no, it was a different place back then.
I mean the water levels were higher. Uh, I mean
we were talking about this before. So, like I've phound artifacts,
copper artifacts in like high spots way far from the
river right that used to be swamp but back during

(21:20):
the archaic time period that used to be Abayu or peninsula, right.
So it's it's a lot of different variables. There's a
science to it, you know when it comes to scouting
and finding these sites, and really at the end of
the day, it's just time spent and intuition right in
the research. So it's a lot of different things.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's funny you say it like that because the other
guests that we've had on that have also been in
the Midwest and copper culture and those kind of different things,
the same same exact philosophy, ideas, visions, you know, it's
it's all those kind of the same exact thing intuition
And really it's more from what they said. You know,

(22:01):
you're at a spotty and you have more intuition rather
than looking down at like a map and trying to
figure it all out. You know, you look out there
and if you've got it, you can look out there
and you can see it.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
I could tell stories for days guys about intuition when
it comes to and I don't even think intuition is
the right word, but more of a spiritual And I
know that that's corny, but it's something that it's too
bad not everybody can experience, right, I mean I've found

(22:34):
things in not only just you know, super rare artifacts,
but just in like the weirdest ways, right just by accident.
I know, this summer I had it. I was like
kind of hardly swinging my mele detector, Me and my
buddy just got to the spot, me and Casey and
I thought I had an aluminum can. It was right

(22:56):
on the surface and we just got there and it's like,
what the heck? And I freaking kicked the ground because
I'm like, oh, it's it's gonna be a luminum can.
It was a nice five inch copper spearhead. And I'm like,
what house laying in the ground And it was right
on the deer trail. And I told Casey, I'm like, Mike,
I bet someone dropped this walking out. He's like it's

(23:20):
like probably not, probably a tree uprooted it. But it
just blows my mind just and it. I could tell
stories like that for days it's just stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
You shouldn't that's amazing, but just.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, it gave me goose bums just hearing about that story.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
You start thinking about how long that that game trail
was used and maybe you know, I mean, we're never
gonna know the exact story of the item that's dropped,
but it's sure fun to sit there and speculate about it.
It put he clues together and fit a story.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Say you're thinking about asking permission, so like Tony and I,
you know, and even people back east and such, you know,
you do some research, you identify this property as a
potential target that might be able to reveal some cool
historical relics. You knock on the door, you introduce yourself,
you do all that stuff, and you either get one

(24:13):
or two things, Oh I had no idea, or you
get oh, yeah, my great great great grandfather owned this land,
and yeah, this is where this used to be. This
where this used to be. But there's no point of
reference for six eight thousand years ago. So when you
show up and you're like, this is what I'm looking for.
Can I have permissions? Are they just like no way?
And then if you actually show them something, are they

(24:34):
absolutely blown? Away.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's it's different for everybody, right, I know a lot
of people. I'll either get people that are just they
want to come with me the entire time. They'll be
right over my shoulder, which I enjoy because I can
explain everything to them, and then they're like, you know,
like for the first like hour, they're just like, no way,

(24:58):
I know. I did this trading post and the guy
just didn't believe me, and I ended up finding some
really cool stuff there. I found a trade act and
he's like, oh, wait, you are correct about that. They
just tell me what it was. But when it comes
to the copper stuff, I've noticed that since I you know,
if I would say I'm looking for like golden rings,
people are like, oh, that's worth money. But with the

(25:20):
old copper culture stuff, people don't believe me. And it's
kind of worked in my advantage in a weird way
where people just think, you know, young kid probably you know,
has a pipe dream of some sorts, and then I
end up showing them all this stuff and they're like, oh,
my gosh, I can't believe you found it, And then
they usually give me a lot of credit, right, which

(25:43):
it's a lot of research. I put in this stuff.
It wasn't just luck, and then it ends up being
where they normally don't want any of it. I've had,
like a few weeks ago apology you guys so much
going on those out of the door. But a few
weeks ago I had the landowner. He wanted a few

(26:03):
of the spear points, which I was perfectly fine with,
right because I think the landowners should have a few
of the copper spearheads. I got photos of them, documented
all of it. But it's just kind of one of
those things, case by case basis, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, when we were talking before the show tonight, documentation
is really important to you, Yes, as I think it
should be. Well, why don't we talk a little bit
about that, because, like you said, you're in school now
for archaeology, but even probably before that, you probably learned
early on that documentation was what you were going to

(26:40):
probably be about.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
So what I do is I create site maps. I
use a few apps. The one I usually use is
on X, so I get all the marks on there,
take the GPS coordinates, get everything marked. I have sites
with dots on them, right, and then after that I'll
create site maps, overlay it with laid light oars, so

(27:06):
I get everything just right. And then to go along
with that, each one of my frames, their site frames
have everything labeled. Uh, documentation is key. And then that's
why I kind of started getting into the social media
aspect of it too, because I like to take videos
and photos, right, Like, how deep down was that Spearhead found?

(27:26):
Helps out a lot, right? You know they say, you know,
a photo's worth a thousand words, right, so a video,
what is that worth? It's worth more than that?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I think, yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely impressive. I know
that I was watching some of your stuff. And how
important is soil condition? Like we we Tony and I
talk about all the time here. Then Colorado is soil
very low, mean and sometimes sandy and can protect relics

(28:01):
extremely well, extremely well. We'll pull buttons out that look
like the day they were dropped, just fine, fine detail.
How important is that to you? And does that ever
change the area you're looking in? In other words, does
that affect your decision on an area you're going to
look in?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, it doesn't change it, because my perspective is of
the research mindset, right, I'm not trying to find you know,
the best quality pieces. It's locating sites, right. The big
challenge I've run into is the time of development, right,

(28:44):
so many places are being built upon, whether it's houses, subdivisions,
boat landings. Those are killer around here. But yeah, so
soil conditions. I know last weekend the soil is fairly
bad in the Midwest. Of course, it depends what region
you're in. I knew, so when we're meloy teching along

(29:07):
this Bayu, I found this crescent knife. It was about
thirty yards up from the bayou, seven thousand year old piece,
super uncommon, really good shape. And then I went closer
to the Bayeu, which is now a swamp. During the
Archaic that all would have been water, and I was
like ten feet from it. Soil totally changed, turned into

(29:27):
this kind of mucky mud with kind of loomy soil
as well. And yeah, this a one triangle at spear
point five six inches long. Actually the spear point itself
was about twenty percent silver, so I had silver mixed
in with the copper. But right when I found it
you could hardly even tell it was a spear point, right,

(29:50):
But I got home, put my loose solution on it,
kind of cleaned the dirt up and I'm like, Okay,
it's not so bad. But comparing it to that crescent knife,
right with the different soil conditions, it's it's light leg
and day difference. For sure.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
We had a picture of that. I think that crescent knife,
didn't we.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, that would be it.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
So the crescent knife is under the a one trianglet spearhead,
which is in the middle of my hands, so it's
sitting on my my palm.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Can explain why that's a crescent knife.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
So yeah, the shape. So have you guys ever seen
like not the regular circle pizza cutter, but like the
one that likes to handle, Like.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, I think it's like an Hulu.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, exactly. So that's what that crescent knife would have been.
And that would have been an excellent tool for scraping
white teal, white tear tailed deer hides and alk right
for hiding them and fleshing. That's what those would have
been used for. So you have two different types of
old copriculture knives. You have crescens and then more straight

(31:04):
back style knives. Each category you can date and find
the certain age of them. But yeah, crescens, they're they're
the oldest style by far, that thing. It is probably
eight thousand to seven thousand years old. So that site's
produced a lot of them. I've been fortunate.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, amazing. And then tell us a little bit more
about those two spear points or spearheads.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
So the one in the middle of my hand, that's
they one triangle. It has a median ridge extending from
the tip all the way to the base. Fantastic piece.
That's seven thousand and eight thousand years old as well.
And then you have the rat tail spear point near
my fingers, and that's six thousand to seven thousand, and

(31:53):
I know that. I know it's easy to say, you know,
give you guys those dates, but it's all about styles.
So just like stone points, just like bonds, any relic,
you can look at it, classify it by the style
of it and its features. So that's what those artifacts are.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
So on the the the a what did you call
the middle one?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
The a what a one triangle it?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Okay? Would that have that that was designed to have
a spear going into it, right, like inside of.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
The socket would have went inside of it, sure.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Okay, And then the rattail one would have been opposite,
right that would have been like a tang.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, so that would have been embedded in the socket.
So if they still I had different angles of it,
you guys could see it better. But yeah, so the
socket would go inside of day one triangle it and
then the rat tail would like be kind of like
how a knife handle is more or less.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
And that's what you talking about, like by design, So
that because they were designed during those certain times like that,
that's how you could be able to get a get
a pretty good date on them.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, and it's all about you know, technology advances over
time and so does styles, right, we see it in
fashion today. So like that A one, the copper would
have went outside the socket, the rat tail would have
went inside, uh the shaft.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
So yeah, Grayson, that Yeah, I hate to burst your bubble, buddy,
but that middle one is off the top of a
fence post.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I had multiple guys comment that on that reel, and
there's where like I saw it on you know, I
forgot the name of thee that's what they're saying. I'm like, bro,
oh my gosh for thinking that.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I have you seen that little cliff on the on
that show for that scene there?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I think I watched it when I was a kid. Actually,
I thought it was funny when the guys.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
For sure, yeah, they're absolute amazement. They're like, it's Roman right,
Oh yeah, it could be absolutely Hey, go clean it
over there in the tank and he walks over on
the fences right there and it's literally the top.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Of the fence. That's amazing, man, that's just incredible peace though. Wow.
And I was laughing earlier when you said you and
your buddies like call each other from the field, because
Tony and I will do that too, you know, like
sometimes we don't get a chance. We hunt together all
the time. He's my digging partner, and every now and

(34:33):
then we go out without each other, you know, somewhere
or whatever. And then all of a sudden, I'll get
a FaceTime and I look at like when he found
a gold coin, when he found his gold coin face time,
and I go, it's gotta be something good. And then
the expression on his face where he's just like I
was like, oh, show me what is it? And then
I'm in my office screaming and yelling right and the

(34:55):
coworkers are coming in like what are you okay?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
That my last real life posted. I got the start
of the real is Jared running over to me. Because
Jared never he doesn't have his phone on them, so
I always have to shout for the guy. And if
we're out like doing a big property, uh yeah, I
have to show up pretty loud. So right before I
show the spear point, I see him running across the
field and he's all excited for me. So yeah, it's

(35:22):
always a blast.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah that's awesome. You got a group of guys that
you know you're also doing the same studies and you
do the metal ticing together or is this just kind
of an offset that you've got maybe separate from school.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
It's a it's an offset from school, right. Like I
was saying to you guys before, the archaeologist community is
somewhat somewhat reprehensative of metal detectors and collecting what. They
don't understand how far technology has come in the metal
detecting world, right, And because of that, I am trying

(35:58):
to kind of combine the two two groups, right, archaeology
and mele attech thing. So the guys I go out
with all have the same philosophy as I do. They
all document their stuff use gpslidar overlay it make site maps,
have everything individually documented in the site, like the little
artifacts with the paper labels, and then they have site frames.

(36:20):
The main guy I go out with because he's like
my brother. Uh, his name's Jared Jaminski. He was my
wrestling coach my senior year of high school. So that
was last year. In fact, in the locker room, some
kids were talking about my YouTube channel and he overheard it.
So like a week later he's like, hey, you go
out Meley tech thing. I'm like, yeah, I me and

(36:42):
Jured And then I also have another buddy named Casey.
We go out a lot.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
So yeah, yeah, I was gonna ask you, like what
your friends and your family think of it, you know
what I mean, Like, because it's not that it's not
it's a pretty unique hobby, a pretty unique interest, you
know what I mean. Yeah, especially for kids you're you know,
young men your age. Yeah, so yeah, what what does
your family think? What are your kind of do Most

(37:07):
of your friends not know?

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I would say, like my close friends know, but like
as you guys know, like you guys are metally tactists, right,
it's hard to explain to people what you're finding. They
just kind of look at you, like a nerd sometimes right,
or they just pretend like they're interested and they're really not.
So it's like, yeah, if they ask me about it,
they're like, hey, I saw this on you know, your

(37:31):
story or your Instagram or your Facebook or your YouTube.
Then then I'll show them stuff and explain it to them.
But there's still kind of that divide there because like,
sometimes they don't believe me what I'm telling them right
about these copper artifacts, which I get, like it it's
mind blowing to me as well, but yeah, I guess

(37:52):
my dad he helps me out a lot. So like
all my site frames, my dad designs for me, which
is really nice of them. He enjoys doing it, So
my dad's really cool that way. So my family is
very supportive of it. They think it's awesome, very cool.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think the perception when you say you're a detector
is there's still that old back guy like an espido
on the beach. Yeah, like a thousand gold chains around
his neck and you know that kind of thing. And
when you tell him that, you know, they equated to
you know, they get rich quick scheme versus you know,
the three of us are more interested in the history, preservation,

(38:32):
the recovery all those kind of different things of of
items that are long dropped versus you know, an earring
that was dropped yesterday at the beach.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
So for sure. And it's it's saving history too, right,
I mean, time and development destroyed so many sites, and
it's just unfortunate. Wherever you are in North America, sites
are being destroyed every day. So it's it's good apples
out there that know their history and are willing to
spend the time to save it. So it's it's a

(39:05):
really beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I can't tell you how many times Ken and I've
been doing research on maps and I'll send him something
and go, oh my gosh, you know, let me look
at this overlay, and all of a sudden, it's like
Walmart is over the top of it. And you're like,
oh my gosh, that was going to be you know,
just a month long you know trip that we would
be out on and there's you know, that history's gone.

(39:30):
I don't pre jungle over.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
The top of it now.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah, you could always ask the employees like, hey, do
you know where those dirt piles are from the parking?

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I don't have that before I've never found anything that way,
but you never know.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I'm in construction, so I'm always looking at dirt piles
a different way. You know, you're digging up the volleyball
court over there. Okay, you know all kinds of different stuff.
But everyone always wants to know how much it's worth,
you know what I mean, Like when you talk to
people about your metal tetris, Oh, what's the coolest thing
you found? And how much is it worth? Like that's
what they want to know, you know, and You're just like, well,

(40:06):
the most things I would find, you wouldn't find the
slightest bit interesting at all. You know, it's gonna look
like a bunch of junk to you, but to me,
it's a piece of history that just thrills me to death.
And I think you're thinking about the last person that
held that, and I, you know, going back as far
as you go back, I just I can't even imagine,

(40:27):
like we'll talk about like Jesuit warrings and all that stuff.
But you ever find old sort of copper culture type
tools that are personalized in any way, maybe they've got
some etching on it or some kind of special special See.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I was talking to one of the old timers. He
has a massive collection. He spent a lifetime metally tectors,
and I asked him that question last weekend. So for
every twenty five finished cop knives or ovates, which is
a type of spearhead, about one in every twenty five

(41:06):
will have etching on them, so it's very uncommon. So
last weekend I found a bead. I found a few
beads before, but I actually I haven't found etching and
etching on copper spearheads and knives is personal as heck,
and I think it would be pretty cool, but just
haven't been lucky enough yet to find that.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
But is that sort of a really desirable thing you're
looking for? I know, Tony and I with the Relicts,
we collect anything personal, anything with a name, a marking,
anything we can identify and research going back that far.
Not but you just know it's a personal effect and
it just it must be just amazing for something that
old to have a personal effect on it.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah. I mean my three top bucket listers are a
knife or spearhead with etching. I also want to find
a pendant and then ads and a celt so ads
would have been used for creating dugout canoes. Have you
guys ever heard of those before?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Sure, Oh yeah, so you can get them pretty big.
It's a heavy piece of copper. So I would say
probably ads is on my bucket list. That's like the
most uncommon copper artifact to find. But at the end
of the day, it just comes down to timing and luck.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Right, wow, yeah, do you find yourself hunting for you say,
they overlap a lot, but fur trade sites versus copper
culture sites.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
I go through phases. So at the beginning of this summer,
I was interested in for trade and now it's more
copper again. It just kind of depends, like I'll get
into my head, so it's it's a research thing for me.
I'll be on an ex schooler earth flidar and I'll
just see a property that just kind of looks good

(42:54):
and I want people to get all in my head.
So after that, I'll go get permission for it. If
I can't get permission for where then I'll kind of
you know, start looking for you know, fur trade in
that area. Wait a little bit, go up to that
door again, because I don't have any quit at all
when it comes to permission. Even if it's a hard
n and then once I actually get permission for it,
then it's kind of like oh, copper culture or ooh

(43:17):
fur trade. So I go through phases.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
As long as you've tried, go ahead, Tony, Nope, go ahead.
What's the longest you've tried to get a permission?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
So this is there's there's a place called and I'm
fine saying this because like it doesn't exist. It's called
the Burnt Grounds and it was one of the largest
Native American village sites from the seventeen hundreds in my area.
And it's supposed to be right where my house is.

(43:50):
So I have spent way too long trying to find that.
I've went through, you know, archaeologists that I know very
well because I'm going to school for archaeology, trying to
pull up old records, talk to all their metally texarists
and a lot of different people. But what it looks like,
and I never where it says it exactly is I
never could get permission for it. I asked the guy

(44:11):
about three four times, and he was just one of
those old guys where I just couldn't tell if like
he was just kind of like not lying to me.
But not being truthful about it because he was like, yeah,
I've had this farm for a long time. He really
wouldn't answer my question if you do, like if any
Native American for trade relics were found there, But I'd

(44:33):
say the site literally where I live, where my house sits,
which is upsetting for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Keep at it, keep at it. You'll you'll find it.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Appreciate it for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Wow, man, I can if I so like written written material,
written media. You know, if we're looking for Civil War relics,
there's written media out there, maybe people that have written
about it in the past, old letters home from the
Civil War soldiers that you can locate, diaries, stories that

(45:10):
you can look up that points you in certain directions. Well,
you don't have that written media for six thousand and
eight thousand years ago. So is there any written media
you do for research? Like are you just looking maybe
into old fur trade relic hunters maybe that had written
about it. Is it more of a communal thing of

(45:33):
you know, because I can town, We can go to
a local coffee shop and talk to the old guy
sitting there right, and you can tell us like, well,
my grandmother remembers the circus used to be over there,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, it's so like as I mentioned before, fur trade
and old copper culture, they overlap not only the guys
that you know, if you look for copper, you look
for fur trade, and that the same thing goes for
like the sites as well. Right, So, like there's the
old French journals. If you can get your hands on them,

(46:06):
they can point you in the right direction. I haven't
had any luck with that, but like the original plat
maps from my area helps me out a lot when
it comes to the old copper culture sites because those
French British maps show what the water looked like before
the rivers were dammed. So that helps me out for
not only for trade, but copper as well.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
So good point. Yeah, good point. I think you had
mentioned earlier about.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
When you recover the artifacts and in terms of cleaning
and preserving how far, what's the extent that you usually
go where techniques that you use or or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
So copper, the less you can do to it, the better, Right,
It's the same thing with the copper coin like a
large scent, right, sure, the most I do. So, like
if a spearhead is in a really bad condition, I'll
put a glue solution on it, so it basically allows
me to still be able to handle it. It holds

(47:11):
it together. But other than that, like I stress it
so much to all my buddies that I've gotten into
the hobby, just like the like, don't even run water
on it, Like I'll take a wooden toothpick clean the
dirt off, Like I even leave the dirt in the
in the socket of the spearheads so they can get
see fourteen dated someday. And yeah, the less you can

(47:34):
do the better.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Do you ever get them see fourteen dated?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
It costs eight hundred to six hundred dollars?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Does it?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
As a college student? I have the funds right now? Sad?

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, man, I think that question real quick.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
It said blue solution or did you say glue like
Elmer's glue type.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Of solution blue solution?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Correct, Yeah, a little lightened up glue. We asked some
other questions that came in, didn't we, Tony.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
We've got a couple here. Oh gosh, I think this
one's good. Dirt digging historian says, have you ever found
something of historical relevance and felt confused as to what
you should do?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Something that you were like, wow, this really is pretty significant.
So there's all of it.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
You consider all of it significant because it's you know,
so old, and so you're documenting it.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, it all is. Well. My main focus is saving
these history from the site I am on, right, So
where I focus my most time is areas that are
being you know, in development, are about to be development,
because that produces the most artifacts because the dirts all
moved around. So I'm saving that history. Like I mentioned before,

(48:56):
this stuff is the archaic player in the ground from
where I am in the Midwest is two to three feet, right.
My detectors don't get that far. So if you're in
mature woods, you're only finding those copper artifacts because a
tree has fallen over over the past ten thousand years.
So that's that's what my goal is for those two reasons.

(49:17):
You find the most, you can save the most, and
you're saving it, right, So I do developed areas, That's
where I focus. But they're digging. Historians question like if
I found something I believe that should go to like
the Native American tribes or a museum. My my argument

(49:37):
for that is, you know, if let's say I would
find like a copper piece pipe, right, or just something
that is like one of the kind no one has
ever seen it. I would talk to the tribes about that.
I'd get what they think about that, because it does matter,
it was their people. After that, I would, you know,

(50:00):
talk to some of my colleagues and archaeology field, see
what they think about it. But if it's you know,
that significant, they probably don't have a grasp. But but yeah,
and when it comes to museums too, I think museums
are a great thing. But me posting this stuff on Facebook, YouTube,
Instagram and TikTok more people get to enjoy it that way, right,

(50:22):
And these videos they share a lot more about the
entire experience, better angles than something behind you know, glass
that you can't touch. Right, So that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
How do we how do we breach that cavern between
archaeologists and the hobbyists that are interested like we are
in history and protecting these relics, because they would say,
many of them would say, as soon as you pull
something out of the ground, you're destroying so much of

(50:56):
you know, the flora, fauna, all the parts and piece.
I'm not an archaeologist, so I don't know the terminology,
But you're basically destroying at that point, and relic hunters
would be like, no, we're saving it, because really, are
archaeologist is going to come along and dig this site
over here in the back of my house for you know,
this Civil War relic that I'm looking for. I guess

(51:19):
if it's more historically pertinent or important, that might be something.
But they won't, you know, survey the entire entirety of
our world here, you know what I mean. So how
do you make the argument for them that you should
not be doing this, you know what I mean, not

(51:40):
be destroying these relic sites.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
So I could talk about this for hours straight. And
I'm being serious when I say that. I think the
biggest thing that comes down to is North American archaeology
as a whole, right, compared to other continents, right, Like,
look at like Europe as a country, their relationship with
melitectris is so different than how we have it in

(52:07):
North America. We have a divide here, and development in
North America too, is just speeding up faster and faster
and faster. So this is something I like to say,
doing nothing is not a solution, right, sitting back and
just watching these sites being destroyed. That that's not solving

(52:29):
the problem at all. Archaeology is a great thing. That's
why I'm going to school to be archaeologists, right. I
learn a lot here right. And also, like I do
believe context and provenience of these artifacts, whether it's you know,
dating it from funnel analysis, etc. That that needs to
be done. There's a time and a place for that.

(52:52):
And overall it's a great thing. But we have to
be you can't be ignorant to the fact what is
happening in North America when it comes to these sites.
I wish it wasn't that way, but it's it's the
world we live in, so we have to People need
to be leaders in this, right Meley tactorists need to

(53:13):
share the knowledge that they have about these sites, right,
and look at the facts. Like I said, the context
and the provenience isn't being destroyed on these copper sites.
This stuff is already out of context if you're finding
it immature woods and on the you know, the sites
that are developed, you find a lot more because of
it's being moved around. Nothing's being destroyed. And when you
get in a fur trade relics, right, that's even more

(53:38):
of a sad story, I should call it, because majority
of the fur trade sites are underwater from the dams.
The fur traders would want to be right on the
water so they could trade right on the banks on
a lot of these sides. So unless if you have
a trading post or a large Native American village, it's
going to be underwater. So the damage has already been done.

(54:00):
It's a race against time at this point. It really is.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Amazing answer. I know, we we and a couple of
our buddies, we've got permission at a pretty historic site
that you know, Once I was there for the first time,
my question was why why does the state want nothing
to do with this site? And it's it's a shame
that you know, not there there hasn't been more more

(54:28):
organized effort to document and save this history, and that
it's just it's just therefore, whomever, what whatever, I mean,
it's a shame.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And it comes down to techniques too, right, Uh, Like
we're talking about before you know, if archaeologists and I've
worked with archaeologists and male detected sites before they're blown away,
they're like, how did you find it? Raw? It's it's
it's mind blowing with the tech you can do. Now
you can survey a site like I can do any

(55:04):
You could put me anywhere, and I can survey a
site and I even have to dig a signal and
I know it's copper just from the multi frequency and
the equinox detectors. So it's it's they haven't updated to
the times. And I understand it why they haven't. Uh,

(55:24):
but yeah, if you're gonna go, like, let's say there's
a trading post, survey it and like do a few
test excavation holes with a sifter, you're you're not going
to get the whole story like you would with a
mel detector.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Why would off keep following along this theme? Okay, yeah,
So why would an archae archaeologists group of archaeologists not
want to collect if the effort was being done to
locate and identify I'll give you an example. Tony and

(56:01):
I were brought in to help locate and identify either
the existence or the non existence of a possible location
of an old Civil War era fort training fort here
in Colorado from eighteen sixty four. So our group was
brought out to either find relics that would prove its
location was there. In a suspected location or not find

(56:26):
any at which point they could cross that off the thing.
So everything we found there had to be uncovered identified,
which we were instrumental in because we find so many
of the typical artifacts they didn't know, how do you
know that's a you know this or that?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
But then they would rebury them. So they would rebury
them where they stood, and that was there. That was
their you know philosophy. Yeah, their their take on it.
I forget what they call it now, journey, Yeah, I
know the word that.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
When I say archaeologists, that that's a broad term. I
would say it's eighty percent of archaeologists don't agree with
melo detecting because they believe it's bad ethics. Right. Of course,
that depends where you are in the US, of course
it does, but at least from my region, it's about
eighty percent. And how they describe it as ethics, okay.

(57:33):
They they look at artifacts and relics in a way
where it's not about you know, how uncommon or what
the artifact says. It's the context with it. Right. So let's,
for example, if you find a feature like a trash
pit feature, and inside that feature from the archaic time period.
You find a nice big spear point, what does the

(57:55):
copper spear point say about the feature that's in. That's
a great question, and that's a great thing. But the
artifacts themselves say a lot too, if you know a
lot about the artifacts. And that's kind of the divide
right now between archaeologists and mele tectrists. Melei tectorists have

(58:16):
the mindset they need to know everything, right. I'm sure
you guys know a lot about overall history, whether it's
naive American bottles, relics, civil war, rev war, et cetera.
And archaeologists are very general in what they like to study.
It's either lab historic, prehistoric, lithics, ceramics, et cetera. So

(58:39):
it's we both groups love history, and that's what I
don't get. So I don't get why we don't see how.
But there's just a few bad apples in like the
nineteen seventies through the nineteen nineties, and you can't blame
them because technology wasn't that good then. But they would
just you know, find all these awesome nave American opper

(59:00):
spearheads for trade stone points and shove them all in frames,
make them look super cool, and all the context was lost.
But technology has gone so good now and time and
development is just increasing so much where us us both
groups need to see eye to eye. It's a most
at this point because absolutely they is being lost.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, and and if we did see more eye to eye,
the two working in tandem would be absolutely incredible. Yeah,
I feel you know, every time Ken and I've worked
with archaeologists, they've been absolutely amazed at what we've been
able to help them with, to to document and write
more of the story to it. So, you know, I

(59:46):
don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
We've gone over to England also to kind of look
for older stuff that we can find here in the States.
But and it's different over there too, right. They have
they have a you know, they have a Treasures Act,
they have an archaeology scheme or whatever they call it,

(01:00:07):
and they they do see it differently. They have so
many they have so many relics in the ground because
it goes back, you know, a lot longer than here,
but still only a few thousand years old. And they
have a different relationship with archaeologists back then. They don't
necessarily like them better because they can be kind of

(01:00:31):
pompous and it's sort of a different take than here.
Like here, I don't think we see archaeologists as being
pompous and sort of overstepping. It's just they have this
they have their own take on it, which sometimes butts
up against a metal detectors, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Yeah, I mean it's the same thing with like cops.
I always use the analogy. Some people say cops are
all good, some people say cops are all bad. Yeah,
there's bad cops out there, majority of them are good.
And archaeologists it's the same way. You have some that
are a little ignorant, but it's just the majority of

(01:01:08):
them are really good people, and they love history and
they love what they're doing, and they have a lot
of knowledge and archaeology there's a reason why I'm going
to school for it. I do love it and I
learn a lot. I owe a lot of my research
that I have done through what I've learned at school.
But yeah, I think North America, the US is just

(01:01:31):
a little behind Europe in other countries when it comes
to meli tech thing and it all comes down to money,
it really does. And just kind of philosophy at the
same time too, Even though the core of it's all
still there, like learning history, but just a little different subset.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
I would say, what discipline do you think you want
to take your archaeology into You even started thinking about that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Yet, so CRM and so what that is. So when
they like build a new road put the walmart in
where that Civil War battleground is, others will go there
and basically you have about three months to dig it up.
So it's kind of fast paced archaeology just basically let's

(01:02:20):
see what we can go on the ground, document it
to the best of our ability, and then catalog it.
So that's what I will be doing, nice, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
And focused in the United States Midwest even.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
You know, I kind of like South America a lot.
That'll be something later in my life I'll be doing
my own research on. But interesting for the next ten years.
Strictly Native American artifacts whether you know, and I say
I talk about for a trade like it's naive American
because the French and the British were trading with the

(01:02:58):
Native Americans. All yeah, anything, I love the Native American stuff.
It's fascinating. Uh, it's the less less information is known
about it. So I think there's a lot of work
to be done in Native American archaeology.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Teresa the treasure huner said, clarify what a CRM stand for?
He knew she was. Wait to go, Teresa, I can
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I mean, I know the M stands for management.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I would assume, uh, crazy relic management.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Not to be honest, guys, I don't know, but that
is what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
That's what it does. You future, I agree with you.
For South America, dude, that would be so much fun, man.
I know, uh, I didn't know anything about the Kalema
culture until a friend of mine actually bought a piece
of the famous Forest End treasure that was found not
too long ago, and he he bought this breastplate, this

(01:04:03):
gold breastplate that was from the Kalema culture back I
don't know how many years ago that was now twelve
hundred BC or something like that. But yeah, pretty amazing.
I just dig the art, the artistry and the designs
of all these different relics and artifacts I see come
up out of South America are just so attractive to me,

(01:04:25):
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Yeah, I mean you've been looking at the light hour.
It freaking will blow you away if you look at
some of those images. Those you know, temples and structures there,
and it's just forest in jungle where not a lot
of those buildings haven't been discovered yet. There has been
a person there in thousands of years, so I think

(01:04:47):
it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Really absolutely, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Hey, you want to get to some more pictures and yeah, yeah,
we've been talking a lot about thought and philosophy, yeah,
background industry, but I want to see some of the
stuff that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
This is from our thumbnail that we've got for the
show tonight, So everybody's gonna see this. I'm sure there's
gonna be some stories about this one. This looks like
a pretty good little, uh spearhead. When did you get
this one?

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
So that was four days ago. I think that this weekend. Yeah,
A one triangle it. Those are my favorite spearheads to
find because they have the ridge on them and they're
just I mean, it looks like a Roman or Greek spearhead,
but it's Native American and it's a lot older than
a Roman or Greek spearhead. That one, in particular is

(01:05:36):
around eight thousand years old, so oldest metalworking in the
world right there. In my hand, and yeah, just awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Spir Wow. You say, sometimes you do find artifacts where
they've mixed in silver.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
So yeah, that one in particular is I estimated to
be about twenty percent silver, because you gotta remember, I
mean it's about probably four meters thick to five meters
the spearhead itself, so on the like, the entire part
of the socket on the left side is all silver

(01:06:11):
up to the kind of the a one triangle it
part where it kind of goes to a nine degree
angle right where my one finger is, and then I
still need a little like kind of take a toothpick
to it because there's still a lot of dirt on it.
But yeah, it's probably onlike from the outside. I'm estimating
probably about twenty percent because there has to be a

(01:06:33):
lot of silver on the inside of it too. So yeah,
whenever you find a copper spearhead with silver in it,
it's just even more rare and says a lot about
it too, because it's like, was the cultural signific significance
of a piece like that, right was Copper was preferred
to use for tools back then in the old copper culture,

(01:06:54):
So why did they make that spear point with silver
in it was it by mistake or was it just
like desirable because silver is a little bit more rare
than copper is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Yeah, amazing, And I'm so ignorant when it comes to
older cultures like that, Like did that time period ever
use gold in more traditional or dress beads or decoration.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Never. So it's called the old copper culture for a reason.
Great question. You would think they would because, like I mean,
copper and silver is the goal. But there's just not
much gold in my region in the Midwest. But yeah,
the silver artifacts, silver being in copper spearheads or any

(01:07:45):
copper artifact is about the same percent as like finding
etchings on a knife first spear point, it's like twenty
five pieces you'll get one with silver in it, but
that a one triangulate in particular has a lot of silver.
Like it's that's interesting class a piece for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
How many of these pieces do you do you have?
I know you said you tend to give a lot
of way you've documented them, those kind of different things.
You're good at giving them to the land owners. How
many how many of these spearheads do you have? How
much copper do you have as displays or those kind
of things.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Before you answer that, Actually, let me give you my
address real quick. I've located at here's my mailing address, Grayson.
Go ahead, Now what were you gonna say?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
So I would say finished pieces. I probably have around
one hundred. So what I mean by finished pieces that
means copper knives, spearheads, balls, which would have been basically
as like a needle, harpoons, other copper tools, pendants, beads.
Probably around one hundred pieces. But really, like is it

(01:08:52):
awesome to look at like copper A one trianglets with
silver in them? Yeah? But it's more about every copper artifact,
no matter what it is. It's just finding it and
documenting it right, getting the chords for it, making those
site maps even like not only for the archaeology of it,
but it helps me a lot because I have I

(01:09:13):
have hundreds of permissions at this point. It really helps
me out. When I go back to a site I
haven't been to in a while, I can just pull
up my phone, like where was all the majority of
this stuff found at? Right? And then what areas do
I need to spend more time in? Especially for large
acreage of land, it helps out a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Nice We've got We've got an interesting piece here. I
wanted to pull. This's a stick. That's a cool looking
set that it's a nice is that cedar? I think
it's oak or elm or something.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
That's a copper harpoon. Right when I saw it, I
told Jared it looks like a flower and he laughed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I mean, yeah, well, yeah, it does to roast them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Yeah, yeah, But so it looks like so you can
see the one barb right there in the middle of
the photo with a laying in the dirt, and then
it looks like above the barb going vertically, that would
be the spearhead. That's actually not the spearhead that would
have been embedded in the bone or woodn't shaft of

(01:10:22):
this harpoon. It's actually broken where the tip would have
been and most likely would have had two to three
more barbs on that harpoon. This would have been a
large copper piece and embedded in a large wooden shaft
of sorts, and this would have speared carp to sturgeon
to just you know, small fish. Where I found this

(01:10:42):
was on a bayu. This is swamp now, but it
all would have been water during the archaic time. Water
levels were higher back then, so they were harpooning fish
in this bayu. So that artifact says a lot, and
since I have the content of where it was found
makes it even more special. And it's broken too, So

(01:11:04):
what's the story behind that? Did it hit a rock?
They hit, you know, a big fish in the water?
Who knows? But yeah, piece.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
So do you think when it went down and then
maybe another barb it went to a tip? Do you
think it was a fashioned tip similar to almost what
the other side looks like or did it just go
to a tip from that? Have you ever seen a
full one? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
So I was looking at something this weekend in person.
My buddy Doug Miller, he's a good friend of mine,
is one of the best copper collections in the world. Yeah,
and he has the same philosophy that I do on
you know, getting GPS coordinates, documenting it to the fullest
extent and the copper harpoons that he has the spear

(01:11:50):
head itself on the harpoon. Would it had a barb?
So like, the best way I can explain it, it
won't be like how this is on the other end.
It would have been kind of like that a one
triangle it it would have that tip of that spear,
but just smaller version. And then it would also be
barbed out to either the right or the left side,

(01:12:12):
kind of like how it's barbed in the middle of
this copper arpoon on the on broken portion. But yeah,
the spearhead would have had a barb on it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I'm curious would those barbs generally, I'm sure there's exceptions,
but they would they be on one side or would
they alternate sides with them?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
You know, so muskrat spears from the fur trade, they
all alternate. So that's a really good question. These copper arpoons,
most of the time, ninety percent of the time they're
all on one side, which is actually very interesting. Yeah,
I don't know. I need to do more research on
why they would do that, comparing them to muscles, But

(01:12:52):
most definitely they would have been on the same side.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
One day somebody went, we should put them on both sides.
You're a genius. Oh my god, we kept missing these fish.
I don't know why we kept missing them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
I think that's a fantastic piece and very interesting to
talk about. And and again it's it was part of there.
It was a way of life. That was their survival.
I mean, and to me, that's such a valuable piece
to survival back then, and I just think that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Bill all right, Ohio, Relic Hunter had the answer for
us anyways. He said it got broke hit a steelhead
still head cat, that's why it was broke. Well, everyone
knows that, Bill, I mean, come.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
On, we've I've got this. One's really interesting to me
and I want to hear some stories about this. But
these are side plates that are just absolutely incredible. I
know this isn't copper culture.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Yeah, that's true. I would say those three serpents, I mean,
they are my babies. So as you can see from
the photo down below, that would have went on the
side portion of a musket, a French or British musket,
so it would have been a side plate. They're depicting
surt bents dragons, but they're very rare to be complete. Actually,

(01:14:18):
so when I found my when I found my first one,
it was right when I started really detecting heavily, and
a lot of my colleagues and my friends at also
Meltech thought I was planning my fines and then I
found three, and I got a lot worse than that,
because two of them are complete and then the ones
slightly broken. And the reason why it is so rare

(01:14:42):
to find them complete is because the Native Americans would
buy the serpent side plate muskets. They would trade more
furs for a musket with the serpent side plate because
they believed it depicted the water spirit, which is a
mythical being in Nami American religion of sorts and culture.

(01:15:05):
So you have thunderbirds and water spirits, so they believe
the dragon depicted the water spirit. So when the musket
would stop working like well, it would malfunction or it
just break, they would believe it was because the dragon
on the rifle or the musket was cursing them, so
they would cut them in half. And once they would

(01:15:26):
cut them in half, they would make jewelry and ornamental
pieces out of the water spirit or the dragon that
came off the side plate of these muskets. So very
rare to find complete like this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Do your friends call you Denaris?

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
I was referencing sort of Denarius Targarian from Game of Thrones,
because she had three baby dragons that she was of,
and you called these your babies and so I thought,
I thought i'd give you the reference there of Denaris
start calling We're gonna start calling him. Your new name is.
But these are French French muskets.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
French are British. I believe these to be British because
the style of them. The French ones have a different
nose shape on the serpent. But yeah, these would have
been early seventeen hundreds to like seventeen ninety Northwest and
Hudson Bay trade guns they would have went on. So yeah,
very rare pieces, and I mean they're just sick. It's

(01:16:30):
kind of hard from the photos to kind of talk
about them because you got to hold them in your hand,
and when you have three of them in they're complete,
it's it's pretty pretty cool looking at those.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Yeah, I can only imagine. And then the stones in
your hand, was that onyx and chirt or something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Like that or those are gun flints?

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
So are they really? Really?

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
So? The emeralds those are French, and then the three
black ones nearest to my fingers are British.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Amazing wow. And to find those and you found them
all very close within proximity of each other.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
So yeah, So the one serpent side play was at
a trading post site that me and my buddy were excavating,
and we this trading post is like right under a bridge,
so think about that for a second. We got permission
for the property. I just couldn't believe it. I started
finding I found a trigger guard there originally, and then

(01:17:30):
we started excavating it. I had all gritted out and
we dug there and we found over probably fifteen gun
flints at this point, and four of those were French. So,
like what I was talking about before, the artifacts say
a lot about what was happening in an area, right,
no matter if it's you know, a slave tag or

(01:17:53):
a coin. But when it comes to like this French
stuff and old copper, by those gun flints, we could
tell who was trading at that trading post. It was
both the French and the British by those young So
amazing piece of history there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Wow, that is amazing, great great story.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Being able to tell it with what you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Find out so cool, man, that is just so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
For sure, Let's do it. Let's do one more picture
here and and we're gonna kind of go with the
fireworks here. There's a lot to look at here, and
this kind of just shows the full gamut, and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
So I gotta give full credit to my father. He
put those site frames on the order he displayed them.
But yeah, each one of those frames are site frames.
So that's why Pepper I phone at those sites and
I do it that way, so they represent the site
as a whole, right, Like would it be pretty to

(01:18:53):
put all my nicest spearheads and all my knives in
one frame? Yes, it would be, But a little bit
more philosophy. I'm going to say this. I ask all
Meli tectors this question. Once you Meli techt a site,
where is that spirit of the site held? Is it
where that site was or is it actually the site

(01:19:15):
frame once you have everything from that site inside. So
I want you guys to think about that. And that's
my philosophy when it comes to this. So yeah, my
dad did a very great job. He was super excited
with it. I sent the photo a few of my
buddies and they what my good friend Coach shared. He

(01:19:36):
was like, that almost brought me to tears because he
was with me for a lot of those sites and
gave me what he found. So yeah, there, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Well, you just take one of those boxes up or left.
Let's say you just take one of those boxes. Not
only does it represent well and contain the history of
that site that you detected, but you have a lot
of person little attachment to everything in that box. You
have all the memories of who you were with, the
things you experience, the excitement, the revelation, the challenge to

(01:20:12):
get permission, then the finding and and the you know,
success feeling of success of actually finding what you were
looking for. When you look at that one box, then
anybody that looks at that box and you tell them
all about it, you're also sharing that information in that
history with them, then they have their own experience about it.
So yeah, I mean, this one little box, there's a

(01:20:36):
lot of power there, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Yeah, no, I won agree.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah, Congress, I mean you're you're debt.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Yeah, let him know. Man, that's an amazing amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
He's got some fans over here in Colorado for sure.
That's pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Well done, well done. Well, let's let's talk about I've
got too much longer left. You got your questions for
for Grayson, give us a go ahead and give a shout.
We had a couple of them that came in. I
think we got too much. Let me see is there

(01:21:15):
any other Are there any geographical or topographical features that
you like to target as a good possible location.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
So what I It depends what region you're in. I know,
super hot spots. I like to look for area that's
about to be destroyed because when that ground, like right
before they put a house on it, they move all
that dirt around. That's when it is best. Because our
Ka Claire is so down deep. But let's say if

(01:21:46):
you wanted to go, you know, look in mature woods.
The best thing is a creek that comes out to
a body of water, whether that's a lake or river,
and finding the highest and flattest spot that would hold
the most people at one time. Now, there's there's limitations
to that. There's the difference between summer and winter campsites

(01:22:08):
as well, so there's a lot of variables to it.
But yeah, water is key. Widar is a great tool.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Yeah, what about your favorite piece?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
What do you what would you say is your favorite piece?
Come on, you didn't have one pop in your head immediately?

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
I would have to say, like, if I'm gonna be honest,
it was probably either the first arrowhead I found, or
that first copper conical spearhead. Yeah, I have a lot
of stuff that's more uncommon than that, but you can
never beat that first feeling, right, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
You great, great answer, man, Absolutely, there's a great answer, yep.
Because you can't you can't create. It defines almost everything
that came after, right, So it does. It's pretty awesome. Okay,
how about white whale. So that's something that you've never found.

(01:23:04):
You always thought you probably should have by now, or
that you will someday, you just haven't found it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
So my dad always gives me crap because for the
last like two years, I've been saying, how I want
to find a silver cross from the fur trade. I
was gonna ask you, I would say that but right
now so that would be overall. But right now, in
the last probably two months, I've been really shooting for
a copper ads or a copper celt. Those are the

(01:23:38):
two most And my buddy phone a beautiful one last
weekend too. He was already connecting, and I was super
happy for him. But that just that's what's been on
my mind probably for the last week.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Wow, I was going to ask you if you've found
any Jesuit rings or those crosses. What do they call
the crosses with the double you know what I mean?
They got double legs on them. What do they call
those crosses? You know which one I'm talking about. Yeah,
instead of just having a single cross, they have two

(01:24:12):
horizontals on them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Yeah, you're talking about the Catholic cross That would be
a Jesuit thing. I do not know the term, but
I can visualize it in my head right now. But yeah,
so I haven't phoned a Jesuit ring either, which is
crazy to me. They've just kind of avoided me. It's
one of those things, like I said with the serpent
side plates too, it's just the timing kind of go

(01:24:37):
with shrieks with stuff. But yeah, the Jesuit rings and
silver crosses, anything really Jesuit has avoided me, like point
where it's kind of ridiculous. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Come on already, right, it's out there, man. You know
what's gonna happen. You come on Relics Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Next time you go out, you're gonna find of those,
I hope. So you gotta let us go to get
a text right away for that FaceTime or something. Yeah, excellent, man, well, look, Grayson,
you've been an amazing guest man. We've had so much
fun hearing your stories and hearing your take on this

(01:25:22):
thing you're passionate about. It's always good man. We have
guests on here and they get into that, you know,
they get into that, and I think anybody listening can hear,
and anybody watching for sure can kind of hear where
you're coming from and what drives you with all this.
You know, a lot of some people can tell a
good story and stuff, but I think you really let
us inside on some of this stuff. And I you

(01:25:44):
don't want to thank you for that, So appreciate you
giving us what you gave us night. It was a
lot to think about, and I put myself in your position,
just be like in your shoes discovering some of this stuff.
You telling the story when you discovered it. Yeah, man,
special stuff. So I hope you continue. Hope you continue

(01:26:04):
to enjoy it and discover and protect and preserve and
just have a great time with it and keep documenting it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Absolutely, I appreciate that. And yeah, I had a blast,
and I this was great, and yeah, I foresee myself
staying with this hobby and my research and studying ancient
cultures for my entire life. So yeah, I'm really passionate
about it. I love it a lot, So thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Yeah, sure, absolutely, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Hey, if you want to hang out down in the
green room, we'll say our goodbyes off the air. You
got a couple extra minutes with us.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Yeah, no, that's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
You can't give your last last kind of shout here
and then we'll put you down there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
So yeah, I do videos on my Facebook, YouTube, Instagram
and TikTok. Grayson Raimer that's my name, and yeah, all
my videos. I do a lot of live digs. I
find the oldest stuff in the world, and I'll really
talk talk to you guys and explain it thoroughly if
you check out my content. And yeah, I just love

(01:27:12):
mel atecting. It's a great thing, and not only about
mele attecting. It's about preserving this history and saving it
and working alongside professionals and archaeologists to really figure out
what truly happened in our past.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
So I'll leave it at that perfect awesome good stuff. Man,
Thank you. We'll put you down. We'll be to you
in just a minute, and you know, I do want
to reiterate what Grayson said. We have all his links
in the chat numerous times tonight we put him in
the chat. We also have him in the description down
below this video. And if you happen to be listening
on the audio replay on Relics Radio wherever you can

(01:27:49):
find your podcast the audio versions, we're going to have
it in the description of the podcast, so you can
go click on it and visit his various social media accounts,
whether it's face, Spuck, Instagram, or even TikTok. Do you
have a favorite, Grayson of the three different social media
as you kind of participate.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
In Everybody hates on Facebook and all these days. So
I've really tried hard with YouTube. I only have like
two thousand subscribers on YouTube, but Facebook, I'm probably gonna
hit I'm at twelve k right now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Oh good job man.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
So but yeah, I would say Facebook would have to
be my favorite, just because I like the engagement, like
the feedback, and I like working with people on there
the best.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Gotcha cool? All right, man, Tony? You got anything?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
I just just wanted to say, Holy col I think
in just in terms of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Both sides of the topic, archaeology plus medeltecting and Grayson
not gonna part with that. I love taking his brain.
Guy's got to on his shoulders and one hundred percent,
you know, check out his links social media. The things
that he's putting out there is absolutely amazing. If you've

(01:29:10):
had any interest in learning, he's definitely being able to
teach and show us some some rare things that we
don't get a lot a lot of times to see.
So I love I love following him and checking in
on him all the time and great great stuff. You
guys got to check out Grayson Raymer for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Yeah, yeah, definitely go check him out. He's doing some
good stuff in there, and he creates that excitement. So
if you like a good story, a good journey and
also see some pretty amazing things being found that are
as old as old as old can get, that's the
place she needed to go check out. So I wish
I'm a ton of luck.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
He was a great guy, absolutely, grad welly don't you
and I get out of here and then we'll chat
with him off the air and then we'll let him
get on with his night. But cool man, thanks, it
was a good show, buddy, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
If you guys want to check out what I'm getting into,
visit me over on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all those
kind of different things. Fifty two eighty adventures. You can
check me out over there. Lots of content, lots of
pictures now, lots of means, funny things going on, lots
of humor.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Maybat job about that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Come over, visit with me, leave me some comments. Love
chatting up with everybody, and I appreciate all the support guys.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Cool and you can find me on Adventures in Dirt,
Adventures in Dirt anywhere on social media. I'm all over
the place. I'm absolutely doing nothing on social media. I'm teasing.
I'm teasing, So go ahead and you check me out anywhere.
I got a lot of stuff going back number of years,
so you can check out all my content. And if
you happen to get out this weekend, be safe. Your

(01:30:49):
temperatures are changing, get out there, but the relics are
still there for you. The history is still there for you,
and I want you all to go out and enjoy yourself.
Go find it, go preserve it, but also make sure
you tell me about it. Have a good week. We'll
check to you next Wednesday. Good night, Thank you so.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Much for listening to Relics Radio. We will see you
back here next week for another exciting guest. Until then,
get out and dig it all.

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