S8 E37 - Hunting for Gold Nuggets in the Ghost Mines of the West with John Lambe - Relics Radio show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Wednesday Night with DK here at Adventures and
Dirt on Relics Radio. Uh, with my mic misbehaving, I'm
bringing my co host Tony Adventures on that mic like
an anaconda.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
There.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I was like, what's going on? It's got me, It's
got me. That's hilarious. Hey, DK, what's going on? Happy Wednesday. Yeah,
it's been a good week.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I've been on vacation all week, so I've been, uh
working on some video to come in, like a big
old Grizzly Adams type thing. And yeah, it's it's a
little there, a little there. No shaving this week. I
figured out I'm just gonna relax and just absolutely too
much information. But I'm in my pajamas right now, my
pajama pants.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Just you know, you know, I'm glad you have pants
on because that makes one of us.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh, this is the way this show is going to go.
You didn't ask our guests if he's wearing pants tonight.
I hope he is. Oh he's a classy guy. Come on,
Yes he is pants. Yes, Yes, who's joining us tonight.
We've got a great subject. We never really talked too
much about this subject, so.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
We've got an awesome guest, and I know the information
just came out earlier today, so not a lot of
time for everybody to come over and watch the show
with us, But uh, it's going to be a really
good one, a lot of information. It's going to be
very very much packed with that. We've got a whole
Google doc of like questions and fantastic information. Hopefully we
can get to everything the amount of time that we

(01:44):
have because there's a lot here that we want to
get shared out and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
So I told him it was going to go quick,
and that's a lot of information to share. I know,
we could be flying. We were flying to let's see,
we got joining us live.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
If you guys are watching on the replay, make sure
you come over and join us live on Wednesday nights
because you get to get to interact with everybody here
and we get to acknowledge she's out there. So Bill
Hay is always coming in early. He's kind of the staple.
You see that shirt that he's wearing. I did a
profile picture there. Yeah, he's he's been with RELX Radio

(02:16):
for a while. That's Ben Yeah, yeah, I know, and
American Digger Magazine. I did go back and watch the
first episode or listen to the first episode of Rex Radio,
and he was. He was already on there. So thanks
for coming on Bill and giving us the support. Yeah,
we checked SD Jason, Well, come on there. Jason been

(02:39):
talking with Jason all week about some stuff coming on
with us, so he did. I just want to mention
he was. It was it last show or two shows ago.
He did win one of the Relux Radio hats and
that got sent out to him and should have arrived
two days ago. So all right, congrats of him. I

(03:00):
can't wait to see pictures of him sporting that out
there in the field.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, congratulations Jason. That's cool man. Yep. East side of
ho Digger joining us. Evening. Everyone. Hello, we've got Copper Joe.
Copper Joe. Good to see you, buddy.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Kind of chilly in Wisconsin a little bit. I don't
think it's frozen yet though.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
No, he's still got a little bit of time, hopefully,
Bob Rose says there, Bob Rose, all right, yep, scrolling
down here e tech door tector.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Good to see you. Welcome, Welcome in Wednesday night. Yep.
Then Blue Diggers. I was talking with Nick earlier today. Yeah, right,
have you on, Nick, thanks for joining us. Robert Thompson
showed up. Robert, Yeah, yeah, welcome everyone. Scrolling down Digger

(04:01):
you guys did that?

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah yeah, I saw some stuff you had found. So
people still getting out there even though we're into November.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Some cold weather. Yeah, that's one thing I haven't done
on my vacation yet. Can you believe it? I wanted
some good stories, man. Indy and I had a plan
to go and then playing well, Cindy was going to
be in my neck of the woods. She's like, hey,
you want to go over here. I'm like, it's I
don't know, ten minutes from my house. I said, no,

(04:30):
we got the family coming over. She pulls a general
service button, she pulls.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Some old stuff, and I was like, oh, of course,
but happy for her, of course.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah. How do you guys feel about that when your
buddy calls you and you're like, oh, I can't go,
And then they're like, I found eight gold coins. They're
all twenty dollars pieces. I felt great. I've felt happy
for her, but it was like paying it, man. She
could have missed.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I missed out on it. That's all right, No, I'm
happy it got recovered. You know, we know the spot
pretty well, so you know, it's nice, kind of expected
in that area, but always nice to see stuff still
coming out of there.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, I'm just teasing you.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Congratulations Cindy, mister Larry five mile roller Hunter.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Cheers, buddy, thanks for coming on.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And uh, you know I said I was, I want
to I want to start off real quick here. I
was talking with Nick earlier and he had we were
talking about the Hoover Boys video just came out because
it's Wednesdays, and uh uh, there was a one minute
little announcement that I wanted to kind of go over
with everybody real quick. We wanted to on the show

(05:37):
just to mention this, so stick with us here for
a second and just a short little announcement from Kurt.
I just want to make sure everybody saw. So, uh,
let's check this out real quick.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I'll get a lot of questions about fan favorite o G.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Hoover Boy, Bobby, Bobby Buttons, where have you been? I
try to keep personal life off of YouTube as much
as I can.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
But here we go. Bobby, I'm sorry, not sorry.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
About five years ago.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Bob had spinal and next.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Surgery six months ago while dealing with painting discomfort. They
noticed that two of the six titanium screws that had
been holding the spine together have broken.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Unable to work, he was let.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Go from his job, resulting and also losing his medical insurance.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Just a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Recently, Bob suffered a massive heart attack and thank god
who was rushed to the hospital when he was to
have immediate life saving surgery done.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
He's currently recovering.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
At home, but has been denied disability and financial assistance
for his medical bills. His sister started to gofund me
for the hardship for him and his family.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Obviously, the go fund me is linked below.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
If you can help, please help Bobby.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I love you all right. I just wanted to mention
real quick.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
You know, we we've all watched Bobby Buttons for a
while and and uh, you know, another another person in
the community that's experiencing some some hardships and some time
like that.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So we just want to throw that out there. We
are going to.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Link the the go fund me into this video down
in the description. I'll also be kind of posting it
in the live chat here as we go through the evening.
Just kind of making sure everybody has the opportunity if
you choose to, uh you know, donate a little bit
whatever you can obviously is going to help. I did,
I did see it's up over eight thousand dollars already,

(07:36):
so off to a fantastic start, you know, and anything
does help, for sure. You saw how emotional Kurt was
there and uh wow, so.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah it hurts like you know, double punch right like
we had you know, Greg, Greg leaving us, you know,
way too early. And as a matter of fact, on
his channel also one of his digging partners got on
the channel and actually did a tribute video to Greg,
his main digging partner out there. So I encourage you

(08:10):
to go over and watch that. If you haven't, haven't
kind of had a chance to see that either, but yeah,
absolutely go down below and support support that gofund me
campaign if you can. I know times are tough, but yeah,
that was rough. Yeah, and we will usually the community

(08:31):
steps up and it's greatly appreciated. So Bob, if you're watching,
best of luck, continued healing to you for sure. Absolutely
all right, all right, little you know, yeah, housekeeping we
have to had to get done, and so let's bring
our guests on. Let's get going on him. We've kept

(08:53):
him waiting long and we've been trying to get this
guy on for a while.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I know, I know, I'm glad everything's kind of worked
out now and we're, like I said, we got a
lot of information to put out here.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
So let's bring on John. Yeah, miss one Lamb, how
are you, sir? Excellent?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, welcome to ELK Radio.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I know we talked about doing this for probably most
of the year.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, it's been a while, and we've been talking about
getting together go out digging even longer than that.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Probably that's true as well.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
So John here is a member of our Eureka Treasure
Hunter's Club. He's actually our webmaster in the club, among
other things. Yeah, and uh yeah, he's been a staple
here at the club ever since I've been a member
of it. How long you've been a member John of Eureka?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
About that since two thousand and seven eight ish? Ipe
been thinking, Yeah quite a while, not quite twenty years yet,
but coming to close.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's quite a long time. You've
seen some changes in the club, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Oh yeah, Well still a lot of the old stall
warts are still around and still finding great finds on
I'll say too.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, the club has been around since nineteen seventy four,
so they just you know, they celebrated their fiftieth anniversary
just recently, and it's pretty pretty pretty cool club. It
just it keeps going and going, and the membership is growing,
and we're getting some young people in there, right, which

(10:34):
is always good, some new blood, And there's.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
A wealth of knowledge in the club. You don't know
until you actually start talking to somebody, it's like wow.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, right right. But I think that that goes with
you as well.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
You know, we've known each other for quite a while,
and not a lot of people know about this, the stories,
the history that you have in terms of treasure hunting
and metal attecting and gold prospecting and allays kind of
different things. And I think this would be a fast,
fantastic opportunity to kind of get to.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Know you a little bit better as well.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Why don't you tell us a little bit about, you know,
kind of all the way from the beginning of your
life starting out and how you've gotten into these.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Kind of things. Give us some juicy details here.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, I won't dwell too much on it. But so
my family moved out to Denver in like nineteen seventy three.
And you know, I'm just a young twelve year old
at that time, and you know, of course we're thinking
we're going to come to Colorado and have horses to
go to school.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Right. That was my wife's idea for our kids when
we moved here, like, I want them to be cowboys.
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Obviously that wasn't the case. But so my father came
out here with a job. He was a controller with
a mining company based on a New York called Texas
Golf Minerals and Metals, and so he came out for
an accountant job. And so the family has always been
around mining, and you know, we get to meet the

(12:03):
the geologists and all that, and you know what, go figure,
that's where my interests lied. You know, from early on
I was into rocks and things, and so it was
just natural, you know, and the company was out here.
They actually they got into a joint venture with the

(12:23):
Cripple Creek h Cripple Creek and Victor Mining Company down
in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
For people that don't know what that is, John, that's
a big deal. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
It used to be Newmont Mining just sold that to
somebody else. I'm not sure who, but that was a
big deal. In fact, the Newmont mine, or I should
say the Criple Creek and Victor gold Mine, supplies all
the gold for the Golden Dome of the Capitol in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, they make all that gold gold leaf out of.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
It, right, that's right. So, and that that mine is
basically a gold tal in mind, which is important from
the fact that there's not a lot of free gold there.
They have to refine it.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, and I never knew what you meant by free
gold until we talked the other night. So we'll get
into that a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, we can talk about that a little bit more
so anyway, And I got to go as a as
a kid, you know, you know, in your middle school
you get to to decide, you know, what your profession
is going to be. And I'm saying, you know, geologists,
and well and behold, I get the company company doologist
to take me down in the mines down there. So
that was super cool.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Anyway, so I'll guess you could say kind of gold
has been you know in my veins from that point
in time. So always interested in binding And I ended
up getting geology degree on South Coast School of Minds
for a little while, didn't graduate there, but so, yeah,
our sciences was something I was interested in. I ended

(13:58):
up getting a computer science degree. All so, you know,
have mining booms and busts go, sometimes you're just going
to go with the flow.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, did you go into mining school? The uh, the
goal of going to work in the mining industry.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I did. That was the original goal. Then the oil
bust happened and all the experienced geologists were bagging groceries
of King supers. So what's a kid to do? He
stays in school and get another degree.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, try a different route here. Yeah that's right. Yeah,
that's well. That's cool though, is how you had the
family interest? Like what'd you think when you went into
that mine for the first time? Like, were you just well,
it can be scary?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
It it was? It wasn't really scary. I mean it
was I'll say I knew it was like, you know,
the geologists and his buddy we're basically sayings like well,
we're going to leave you in this little area here
where there's no lights because we're going to go down
to another area of the mine where there's bad air

(15:07):
could be so they didn't want to risk me down there.
So I'm like, okay, well I'll wait for you guys.
I'm thanking for an hour in the dark. I mean,
you guys have been in a cave or anything. You
know what pitch black is. You can't see anything in
front of your face.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, so dark and darkest.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
But it didn't turn me off and it wasn't claustrophobic,
so I guess it all worked out.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, good, that's good. That's good. It would have freaked
me out. Tony ever did a mind tour I have?
I actually did it up in Silverton. We took we
did the Georgetown loop and went through up in Silverton.
But John, you were you were talking about being in
a like in a cave type of thing, and I've

(15:48):
been to a cave of the winds in men in
Two Springs and there's one part where they turn out
the lights on the tour and it is it is
an eerie. You can't describe dark until you've been in
a cave dark.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
There is no photons down.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
There, no, no, it is a very unique experience. So yeah,
very interesting experience for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Very dark. Yeah, I did the Silverton too, and they
did the same thing. They turned the lights off right
in there on us, and they lit a candle and
the guys like this is how the workers used to
work by candlelight, Like back in the day, they'd have
a can and a candle and and that's what they
would work by. And it was like, holy cow, even
with the candle in there, it was it was dark. Yeah,

(16:38):
it's pretty trippy, it's pretty pretty cool. But yeah, yeah,
I couldn't imagine working in that environment. No.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
So anyway, so yeah, I got a d up finishing
my joority degree and then just stayed in school and
got a computer science degree. And my goal was to
be the computer guy for the geologists. Okay, so that
got meano mapping, and I ended up getting a job

(17:06):
with the Bureau of Indian Affairs of all places and
the Bureau of Indian Affairs, no kid, And so I've
been to a few reservations installing you know, back in
back in those days there were mini computers, but selling
software and mini computers, and then they ended up doing
programming and uh, basically geographic information system mapping. They had

(17:33):
projects and there's a lot of forresters.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
In the.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
In the Bureaunian affairs. They want to map the Indians
need to manage their natural resources like everyone else. So
they were big in the computer mapping and stuff. And
so I worked for the uh Dervanian Affairs office that
did that.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And what kind of mapping is that? Maasically just like
uh like g I S mapping or is it more
like assessor type property line mapping or what more like?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
To be managing you know, you'd have forces go out
there and they draw the extent you know, they use
aero photographs, they draw force and then you have like
a a what do you call it, a polygon that
has you know, I'll say Douglas firs and then another

(18:28):
polygon of you know, oak trees or cotton woods or something.
So they can bap the resource that they can assess
it and see where they want to harvest. So they
were big on forestry. But they also did other things
with you know, uh, environmental things, all kinds of varied uses,

(18:50):
kind of general land use. So and I basically I
wrote accessory programs for the landset mineral or I want
to say minerals landset thematic mapper satellites where they're looking
at different mineral spectra to detect minerals, and they look

(19:12):
for or deposits that way too.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Like gold like gold. Yeah, as I'm saying, you're listening
to your history of education and all that stuff, like man,
all that had to come in complete use later when
you started getting treasure hunting and looking for minerals.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
And yeah, I followed that all away, and we're going to.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Talk about some of that too, John and I we
did a little pre interview yesterday and we got all
kinds of information to share with you. So stay tuned
it because it's it's gonna get pretty heavy and and
you know, think about it, like you got a geologist
here that happens to come up in this sort of
gold mining family type thing, and later on he becomes
sort of a metal detectorss Actually what came first, John,

(19:58):
Metal detecting or like counting gems, minerals or whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Rockhounding came first. I didn't. I wanted to mental detector
so badly when I was a kid in school delivering papers,
and I never got enough money to buy a metal detector.
But you know, you'd look at the old treasure magazines
that we can all see today. But I never have
enough money for one, except after I got married, backing

(20:26):
around two thousand ish, my wife encouraged me to go
get a mental detector and says like, oh, get a hoppy.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
So it's like, okay, yeah, you'll never see me again,
but okay, yeah that's for sure. Well good man, Well
let's get into so you know, you got your gold
background all that stuff. Now, when when I first discovered
you in the club, you were the only one coming

(20:54):
up to me talking about detecting on or around gold mines,
looking for actual nuggets because john nuggets aren't big here
in Colorado. Like a lot of people think Colorado big
gold producing state, and it absolutely is and has been
for decades, you know, milennious centuries basically. But what what

(21:17):
you know? You're not going to find nuggets in the creeks.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
No, I mean not to say it's not possible, but
it's unlikely.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, maybe crevicing or something.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, you might find a nice picker or something.
But and part of it is is the way the gold.
I mean, everybody thinks of California is a nugget state.
That's there's no doubt about that. And not to get
to h caught up in in geology tests, but there's

(21:50):
a lot of originic gold deposits that were the Courtz
veins filling in fissures due to the mountain building and
the subduction of the coasts on the west or the
plate on the west coast. And that's why you know,
California has these banansa type deposits with huge gold nuggets
and things.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
So they cheated, is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
They were more blessed than we were. Colorado had is
more of an intrusive pluton related gold deposition model where
you have, you know, things that Purple Creek is a volcano.
I don't know if you guys knew that or not,
but that's a volcanic area and just think of when

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you think of Purple Creek was once Yellowstone. And so
there's also other you know in the mountains the a
lot of the plutons. Colorado has more poly metallic deposits,
like a lot of silver coppers inc more so than like.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
California molibdium mold, the mum. I can never say that one.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Henderson mine is your level is belived hum yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Have you ever go metal detecting for the molibdim tony.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I have not, Yeah, and if I found it, I
probably wouldn't even know what the heck it was.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean neither. I just knew there was.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Actually I have some mo libdinum sample. I don't believe it,
you know, I have to go look and check see
if you can pick that up with a mel.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Detector would find it. Sure, you're right, I'm sure the
manicore would find it.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Of course, of course, of course it's got a molibimum mums. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
They just called it am rock em rock. I don't
even know if is a rock. But so okay, so you.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
So not a lot of nuggets, not a lot of
large nuggets in Colorado. In fact, the large nugs that
are found, like if you go to the Colorado Museum
of Nature and Science, most of the nuggets there they're
showing are coming from or are found. Well, they're digging
the shafts and mines and they have you know, nice

(24:24):
crystaline gold from from and wires from Breckinridge and that
sort of area. And now there are actually nuggets around
Breckonerges that you can find.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh h what next week.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
You tell me.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
What all right, what would be the what would be
the difference you had mentioned? Uh, pickers versus nuggets?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Like is there a are they kind of synonymous?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'd say picker is something under half a gram okay,
and and nuggets are half gramming above you know, I'll
say that's a loose definition. I don't actually know if
there's four.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Right? And then in Australia, what do they call the
ones that you have to use two people to lift?
I think they retirement?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Like this is I have it these out the other
day trying to sell them to the club? Is this?
This is a if you can see that, that's a
point one gram q one zero grams of gold right there?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Nugget one zero grams?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Okay, that's from the Yukon. Let's see what do I
have for scale? Here? Here's a.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Now do you find that.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I did not? I bought this? This is a pen here,
so let's help me.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, And is that a picker or nugget?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's a picker?

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Perfect? We're going for nuggets.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
We're looking for Actually I don't with the price of gold,
pickers are good?

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Sure? Okay?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Come on, can do you pick up twenty dollar bills.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I do, oh man, Like, you know, hey, five pickers
are a nugget, That's what I'm saying. Ten nuggets is
a is a you know, tripp to England. That's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Talking to a lot of people. All gold is good.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Gold, All go. That's a good good uh model right there. Yeah.
So when you and I started talking at the club,
you were like, hey, yeah, can you get you up
on these some of these gold mines. You know, I
got permissions to go to and check it out and
see if we can find some gold nuggets. And I'm thinking, like,
because I had only prospected in the creeks and rivers

(26:56):
and only very recreationally, you know, with my son for something,
and Tony and his son and stuff, and we uh
and it was just it's a lot of fun, it's
a lot of work. It's all day long of shovel
and heavy rock. But you were talking about possibly finding
nuggets in what I was calling tailing piles or sort
of the leftover debris from them actually doing the gold

(27:18):
mining process. I think you had corrected me and shown
me a picture of the difference between a gold dump
and a gold tailing pile, right.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
A mining dump versus mind tailings. So the difference between
so mining dump is basically when they're blasting the shaft
into the mountain and they get all the rock out
and they visually sort it for okay, this is or
versus this is not or, and they throw the not

(27:52):
or stuff kind of the words junk on the on
a on the dump and as you know, they basically
have a little tram and they push it out and
and as they go into the mountain it gets you know,
it gets long and deep like you've seen on these
tail these mining dumps. The tailings pile is or that

(28:16):
has been crushed and then the gold and other viable
minerals have been separated out, and then the leftover they
call it gang material, but basically crushed up sand or
whatever they pushed that is very fine grain. That's those

(28:37):
are tailings piles. Like if you go to the Argo
mill in Central City, actually it's more Idaho springs. Those
are a mill tailings. So that's been treated.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
So that's where they've processed, yeah, raw materials, kind of
concentrated materials to kind of try to process it out
to find.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Right they pull the or the the or values out
of the rock, and then it's the leftover crushings.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Would it be more like exploratory versus processed Like you said,
you know, they're pulling it out and going, Okay, this
isn't really what we're looking for. That's what we thought.
We're tailing piles right now. Those are ore dumps or dumps.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I said, I meant mining dumps.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
What are we looking at here?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
That is what we're looking at right there on that screen.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Okay, that is a mind up. So where are you
looking for nuggets at? And tailing piles or mind ups?

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Mind ups? Mine there you go, because the tailings piles,
you'll get nothing. If you're looking down. You're not going
to find any big gold outside of a tailings pile.
Outside of a mill. I'm not going to say you
won't find gold out of a mill, because if you
pan the rivers down south of the Argo Gold Mill

(30:09):
off a clear Creek, you can get very fine gold
in your pan.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, and I've done that right, sure, sure, But places
like these dumps, these are sort of the original casting
offs of the original mining effort that they would then
take whatever they process out of this initial mining effort
and they would take it away to a processing company,
processing facility, right right, So now I was just gonna say,

(30:38):
and so would they ever treat these dump sites like?
Would they ever reprocess them? I know up in the mountains,
there's a lot of these sites like this, hundreds and
hundreds of thousands of them all over, and they're they're
trying to figure out what to do with them. And
the one mining owner, the one owner that Tony and
I met, that owns I think one hundred and eighty

(30:59):
two patent claims, he's he's saying that he thinks he's
going to try to reprocess them.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
All right, go back through him again, And what was
the return rate on was it?

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, and you would be correct, Yes, that is what
you want to reprocess. That is what the Cripple Creek
and Victor Gold Mining Company did. They would they trucked
all these mind dump tailing or tailings, it is even
I use a synonymous, sorry, but all this mind help material.

(31:35):
They put it in a big pad and underneath the
pad they lay down all this basically plastic, very thick plastic,
and then they set up a sprinkler system with cyanide
and spray those dumps for a year and all the
cyanide solution leeches the gold out of those those rocks

(32:00):
and then they collect it. And the solution they collect
us called the pregnant solution because it's got gold in it. Yeah,
and they then refine that. You know, they get to
precipitate the gold out and the refine it. So as
you were talking to they got the right idea. Yeah,

(32:20):
I would, yet pitile.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
We were way off then because we were on top
of these I mean rocks that are probably the size
of your head, calling those tailing piles. You know, that
was stuff that you know and is right near the mine,
and we we just were way off in terms of
our terminology or understanding exactly how that how a mine
operates and works.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
We were calling it iron with a bunch of dirt
around it.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
That is not That is also true. There's a lot
of iron, a lot of iron, yeah, with gold deposits
not always but very frequently.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Well not just that, but boy trash. You know, they
would throw all the scrap iron and you know tin
roof of these shacks and break down these tin shacks
and all that's in all that dump stuff too. You
know what I mean, so how do you pick a spot?
John like, not just We'll get to the research in
a minute. But on that mind dump picture I just showed, Yeah,

(33:20):
where within that mountain would you think too? I mean,
gold's heavy, even though it's mixed in with a lot
of rocks and other minerals there would it be at
the bottom.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
No? So actually, so as it goes, I mean as
they go deeper, the farther, the farther out the dump goes.
You know, let's just say it's going straight out, the
deeper in the mountain they are. And so usually they're
following a vein. I mean in the beginning they don't
really They might have a vein, they may not. They
might be looking to intersect with one that they've seen.

(33:58):
So Jeff speaking, I'd say farther out on the dump
he'd be better off the And sometimes it's just so
what these guys did is they're when they're in the vein,
there's good material and bad material in terms of there's

(34:20):
ore and not or if they can't see any ore
in the sample, they toss it. And as you know,
there's not a you don't always show the gold that's
in the rock. So and That's what I'm looking for,
which is the stuff that is good. They thought it
was bad. They threw it out right because they couldn't

(34:42):
see it, and they don't have time to like you know,
have to it and see if it's you know, mass production.
So they're doing it fast and plus a lot of
these guys worked at night or twenty four hours a day.
I wouldn't be surprised if you know. The other thing
try to look for is get you could get lucky

(35:04):
because you know, if you're a one of those I
don't know what they call them, the orcart operator, you
might send a good or an actual orccart to the
dump as opposed to the or the orbin, So you know,
it could happen like whoops now in whoopsos are I'm

(35:26):
just telling you? Are you guys gonna tell your bosses like, yeah,
I sent a bunch of order the bad pile.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Nope, I'm just going to keep on working, man working.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Now?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
What did they call those guys? What did they call it?
I'd heard stories about guys taking some ore that looked
like it had a lot of gold content to it
and maybe putting it over by their lunch box or
putting it to the side. They called that something.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Do you high graders? There were high graders.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
High graders correct. They would yeah, take the high grades
and stuff and maybe put a little bit for you
and a little bit for me.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
And then the mine owners know that's happening, and then
they start weighing everybody going in.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Now, wow, I thought you were going to call them thieves.
That was the nickname for him, thief thieves, the contractors.
I believe, there you go, there you go. Well, I
mean it's exciting, Like I've always wanted to try it

(36:29):
because we have so much of it here in Colorado
and the mountains and stuff. And like, how did you
first get into it? Like, weren't you telling me? Like
you hooked up so some people from the from the
club that were heading up and kind of you were like, yeah,
I know a lot about gold and mineral.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
No. I was wanting to talk to some people in
the club. I mean, obviously I have a jolgy background,
but these guys were going up to a place and
I'd go like, well, where you guys going, Like I
don't want your exact spot, but like how are you
getting there? And they wouldn't tell us one thing.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
So.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I know they wouldn't share anything about their favorite spot.
It's kind of like a Eureka where they says, like
where did you find it? And somebody says on the
Eastern Plains. Yeah, so that's about as much as I got.
So it's like, okay, I see the picture here. So
I went to the mine. That's when I started the research,
because you know, some of these guys are going to

(37:34):
places that you know aren't maybe primarily gold producing, and
you're like, well, why are they going there?

Speaker 5 (37:44):
So so that's when you go to the USGS and you
start looking for pictures of a mining district or sorry,
not pictures, but books that the USGS is published on
these mining districts, and there you gave get detailed.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Information about what minds produced gold, how much gold they produced,
what type of gold it was, the silver around it.
And this is where we were talking ken about natives.
When you're looking for these documents, you want to look
for like the words like native silver or native gold.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Oh yeah, everyone be sure to start writing this stuff down. Yeap.
Now we're getting into the Now, we're getting into the secrets,
the super secrets that you if you find a big
hit somewhere. Just remember who sent you there, Relics Radia,
Relic Tradia and John Lamb of course, right, but yes,

(38:47):
there is a finder's fee at least twenty five on
the first ton and then after that we'll h we'll
start backing off a bit. But so, yeah, you were
talking about native gold. You'll start seeing on some of
these reports and surveys and other things that they've done,
they have that posted on the USGS. John is what

(39:10):
you have that all posted on the USGS site over.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
In the USGS professional papers and bulletins. So this is
further this here if you looked up at the top,
it's a professional paper for this particular one on Central
City District. Wow. So if you look in there, you'll
be looking for occurrences of the word date of gold

(39:34):
or free gold because they used to because the whole
idea of is I mean, there's a lot of gold
that can be tied up with in pyrite and or
silvers in galina. The thing is you're looking for obviously
gold that is elemental, so free gold native gold is

(39:58):
another good thing to search for, and you associate that
with if they mentioned a mine and map, and you
know that gold, that that kind of gold was produced at.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
The mine, gotcha. So there's a good chance that it
had been thrown out, Like they look at a piece
of quarts, they don't see anything to throw it. But
the other side of the courts has a big old
vane running through it something like that. And it's free.
You're telling me it's free, So I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna go look for it. I mean it's different kind
of free.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Oh I got em free?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Ah, okay, I get it. Well, that's kind of cool.
I know, Tony and I when we're out digging a
nice big piece of quartz, like sometimes some of these
sites have some beautiful quartz pieces on them and we're
always looking at them like, hey, who knows, you know maybe, and.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
You're right to look at the courts. I mean there
is the gold and the courts go together. I'm not
saying all the time, but sure predominantly.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah. Matter of fact, I'll show a picture here real quick.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Uh the finger.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's some nice gold and it looks like to be
in quarts. That's pretty cool that one you found or
is that one you got through?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I found and that was one I found with a
white I think that was my first gold with the
V three. Oh, the V three, which is an old
machine now.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Sure is, yeah yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
That was not operating at the killer Hurts level levels
that we have today with today's machines.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, yeah, right, they're really up there these days.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
So I'm sure all your your listeners know that higher
killer Hurts is better for for low conductor gold, yep.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
And they're getting higher and higher on some of their offerings,
so pretty crazy. I remember when I first got into detecting,
I wanted a gold Bug too. That seemed like because
I wanted it for looking for gold, not knowing anything.
I just knew the gold Bug two was it, you know,
And I think it was like seventy Killer Hurts or something.
It was just what everybody used, and so I just

(42:17):
couldn't afford it. Back then it was like seven hundred
and fifty bucks. I'm like, I'm not gonna pay that
much money for a hobby that I'm just don't know
if I'm gonna like or not, you know. But it's
still a good machine from what I understand.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Oh, absolutely, I think it's like seventy killer Hurts.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, yeah, it is. And that's that's plenty. That's yeah,
but pretty cool. So you're you're looking for that information
free gold, native gold.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
In the USGS bulletins and professional papers. You can also
find good documentation from some state geological surveys as well.
They'll give you listings of minds and things, and sometimes
they'll have write ups on it. But usually predominantly back
in the day, we're looking eighteen eighties nineties kind of

(43:10):
mining times.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
That's when it was really a few human.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
The USGS was doing. They pretty much did bulletins and
papers on all the western mining districts right in Utah, Idaho,
all over, right.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
So if you're in any of those states, Arizona, Idaho, Utah,
you know, look for that in your state. Look to
see if you can find, you know, mining papers, mining journals,
mining publications, especially if it's a state ran thing, and
that's how you can start doing your research. It's some great,
great bit of information.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And when the government's not shut down, you can go
download the pdf right off the government websites. Oh really, yeah,
you can get the full PDFs. You don't even have
to buy that's cool. That's really cool. Better yet goes
right along that free gold the gold PDF free gold.

(44:07):
So I guess you at one point you started going
up in the mountains, right, Yeah, me and a buddy
I did enough research that we found some places to
go go hunting, and we went up probably it was

(44:27):
one summer around two thousand and eight, and we must
have went like eight times, eight weekends in a row
and found nothing. It's kind of going like, I don't
know if this is going to work. I guess I'm
all wrong. But then so we went and one to
one mine where I knew they had produced a lot
of they'd had Banansa type deposits, and we were in

(44:54):
the middle of a road. And can you mentioned earlier
about in these mining areas in the mind dumps they
throw all kinds of like trash and iron and iron everywhere,
ye square, donils you name it. And so we had

(45:14):
the one the bright idea of hey, well let's get
the iron out of here before we even try to detect.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Well, how do you get iron out and you just
get down your hands and you start picking it out
or what?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, Well I didn't have that much time. So we
got one of those sweeper magnets.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
What's that.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Basically a magnet that's got a long bar on you know,
basically a telescoping handle with a long bar magnet on
the bottom.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Mmm, let me see, I might have a picture. I
mean it looks like this, that's it. Oh hey so
that oh wow, so that'll pick up all kinds of
fine iron, even large chunk.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah. So I'll tell your listeners one thing. The worst thing,
I mean, yeah, we all know nails and all that
kind of stuff is bad. The worst iron is the
old rusted out sheet sheet metal from the roof being
Oh yeah, a little tiny rust particles all over. And

(46:21):
I'll tell you what, they sound great on a detector
even though they're iron. They do not they do not
read iron. And you chase You could chase one of
those particles around on a mind for like five minutes.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, I think we've done that, Tony right up, and
some of some of the.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Oh yeah, something good. I mean it sounds phenomenal. Yeah,
And then you know, after like two or three of
them are like, Okay, this sucks. It's just it's just
flashing everywhere exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
So So anyway, we uh we first day out, we
took our sweeper out and I ran an area, a
big square I don't know about fifty by fifty and
they started detecting it. I got a nice non fair signal,
and I think, goal, can you pick up that one

(47:15):
picture with the finger and the dime?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, uh, I have that. I don't know if I
have the one with the dime. Let me see. No,
I don't get that one with the dime. I don't
know if you sent me that one. I got one
with the finger.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Okay, well it's the same thing. That's what we're trying
to show.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, um, yeah, So you got to you gotta hit
on that.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Let me go ahead and bring it.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Okay, that's pretty cool. Here we go share a screen window. Bang.
So this is the one where it's along with a
bunch of other stuff. So the finger one you're talking
about is right here. Yes, okay, so that's the finger.
So you got to hit on that on that road,
on the road, on the road, after you swept it

(48:08):
with the magnet.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
After sweeping with the magnet.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
So wow, you get that, man, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
That's crystallized gold right there. So that's like you know
how it was in the bean?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, And and I can tell you the only way
we would have found that is if we pulled the
iron out first.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, obviously. Yeah, man, I check out the iron magnet.
It's pretty good. I was even reading on that thing.
It's has a sixteen pound pool weight. That's a pretty
good amount of iron to be able to pick up
and get out of the way.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah. I mean, we just put it in a pile
on the side and.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Is uh less magnetic what brass is?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Because I was thinking like a firing range, using it
out at the firing range and picking up all your
brass after you shoot.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
That would be wonderful, I'm sure. But I'll go on.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
That not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Not gonna work, dang it. So the other trash that
you find out there is, in addition to the iron,
we found coke. You guys know coke from all the
English guys.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Right, sure, absolutely, I got to.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
So I created this little when I was doing my
hunting up there. I got all these little, you know,
basically ghost town targets that I can go test my
detector on when I'm setting up for different programs. Is right,
This is coke right there?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Put it out there, you go.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Just a dark rock, pretty long, sounds like gold.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
What is it, mister geologist? What is the what is coke?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Coke is basically it's called cocaine coal. So it's basically
a not PEPSI coke, A pre fired, pre fired coal,
I think is the best description I have for it.
So they use it in metallurgy, and I think cocaine coal.

(50:29):
I think that. I think a lot of horseshoers, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Blacksmith's yeah got cha, yeah, yeah, big big coke ovens
and things like that.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Right, it's a it's yes exactly. Mhm. You find a
lot of that up there. I don't. I don't. I
don't recall ever finding a lot of that. Yeah, Bill says.
They call them hot rocks.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, they are hot rocks. And unfortunately, the only thing
you can do is dig it. I mean, I think
if you dig enough of it, you realize that there's
a signal a certain range that like, okay, this is
probably coke. And if you find but I think it's
not spread out all over. I think you just finding

(51:17):
in areas. So if you'll find a place where it's
at kind of move off that place and go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Mhm. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
They're not really uh appreciated by detectorists here. Joe copper.
Joe says he hates them hot rocks. Yeah, nobody likes
hot rocks. Anything that can trick you, man. I always
get always get burned by lead. Just can't lay off
of it, you know what I mean, like camp led
little tiny pieces of you know, melted.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Lead for whatever reason. Even in some of these home
sites out near the bar, and there would be melted
lead'll just little chunks, you know. But boy, they sure
sound good slag slag, Yeah, especially if they're rounded in anyway.
They really sound good. That's uh yeah, I mean the

(52:06):
ten up there, I mean it's crazy. So getting through
all that junk before you start detecting it's smart. Man.
And would you say that of all your successful times
where you've actually found stuff, you've always magnet swept first
or fifty fifty or only if it made sense.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Hard to say, maybe fifty to fifty. The larger pieces
that like rocks that I found, I wouldn't have magnet
swept those. So I found a rock any basically any
rock that went off, I kept it. Now, some of
them have minerals in it that you know, there were

(52:55):
some that you could see maybe there's a little goal
in it. There's others that I have that I think
was actually a silver mineral coll the canthite. I'm still
trying to identify it, to be honest with you. Is
sounds great, and it's just it's associated with galina, which
is a silver sulfide or so the larger pieces I don't.

(53:20):
We didn't magnet sweep, but for the fine grained, you know,
stuff on the dump that's not large, I would magnet sweep.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
And so let's talk about technique, right, So I'm picturing
myself out there with you. We're on the side of
this not tailing pile, but mine dump. We're at the top,
we're at the bottom, we're next to it. Wherever we're
at do you start? Do you start pulling material out,
digging in, digging in to pull up to create get

(53:54):
deep into it and then only detect into the deep
part and not so much what you just put out
or what How do you how would your market? How
would John Lamb? You're approaching a brand new dump, Hey, ken, Okay,
let's go and start where.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
So first off, I'd probably do a perimeter, you know,
I'd run my detector over some of the nice, nicer
looking rocks that looked like they had either pirade or other.
You can tell that they're sort of hydrothermally altered. They
have a lot of the iron in it and stuff.

(54:32):
I'd run my detector over that just to see if
you can get a hit. But once i'd kind of
gone over that part of the dump with the larger material,
then I'd probably dig in a place. And then you're
hoping to hit a place where they threw some or
some of the non visible gold samples out or and

(54:59):
that where you do and when you're doing that, then
you then you do the iron sweep so that you're
not chasing rust.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yeah what machine are you are you using for this?
And what would you know? What would be your ideal
machine something today?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I'd be using the DAIS one two because those those
have high frequency coils on them. Sure even that even
the base Dais DA's one has some high frequency coils.
Frequencies get up. So the goal that you were shown there,
those were found with a white m x T and

(55:36):
a V three white V three and those are a
top out of twenty two mega hurts, sorry, twenty two
killer hurts.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Okay, how much? How oh wow? Yeah? Yeah, definitely lower
than I expected when we these these. A lot of
times these mine dumps are in the mountains, they are
in private property owned by the mining companies. Sometimes they're

(56:08):
disclaimed besides the USGS. Let's say you go to the
us GS and you find a we'll call it a
targeted x Marxist spot mine dump that you want to
go try to to go find and see. How would
you even go about doing that? Like would you are

(56:31):
they always marked on maps? Like how do you find
out who the owners would be?

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Or well? The uh so you can do? So, I
think there's a there's that one map of Central City
District where I think you can actually it has a
map of the mines and the names on it. Ken
that you sent me I think so you Doly sent

(56:59):
me like six and eight pictures here.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah yeah yeah, um bump bump yeah, one, two, three, four, Yeah,
I'm looking this is uh but the so there's maps
actually show them the the old map you sent me.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Yeah, So I'm looking at a fullder of maps and
it's not coming up, like the the images aren't actually
coming up. So you can go out, I know, Like
have you ever gone to my my land matters?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yes, I have been there.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, great website. Yeah, I know, you can go there
and look for if.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
You do an RBS I think is also another website
that is run by the I think it's is it
BLM or is it you're of minds, I can't remember
where you can actually find Well, you go, if you

(58:02):
can locate the mine, you can go to the county
and actually find out who owns the surface there. And
then also so you know, there's a difference between patented
mining claims and unpatented.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Right you should explain that.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, yeah, So unpatented mining claims is where basically someone
has found some minerals that they would like to they're
interesting to them, and they want to have a claim
and be able to produce those minerals, and the government
will allow you to have access to the minerals on
that land and they will give you access to the

(58:42):
surface to get them, but you don't own the surface. Now.
Patent mining claims are where people and this is usually
happening back in the eighteen eighties and nineties, where people
that had had a mining claim stay there long enough
and basically the government gave them the the basically the

(59:04):
title to the to the surface and the minerals. Sure,
so they are basically owners of everything, but.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
There can be a difference between a landowner and a
claim owner. Those are actually two different things.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
So that is true.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yeah, can it be dangerous up there hunting around these mines.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yes, generally when I'm whereas kids used to walk around
a lot of dumps. All the geologies say, and they
were right, do not walk in any depressions because that
could be a that could be a cheft that has
all the rocks that falled in on it. It hasn't

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fully all the rocks have fell down all the way
to the bottom, but it could if you put any
weight on it.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
So that's you know, you always hear about the kids
that are playing around on the mind dumps, and you
know the kids got stuck in the mind right because
there because there's a cave in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Basically, we've seen quite a few of those up in
the mountains when Ken and I have been up there,
we've seen quite a few of those depressions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Are those kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
More like exploratory type of things, initial digs to try
and see if there's anything there, and they move on
to another spot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Uh, they could be that or they could be an
actual shaft that they a vertical shaft that they dug
to go down there and it just caved in, and
all the mind frame is they're framing for the head
frame and all that has already.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Gone, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
So it's interesting, dangerous not to walk around in there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, I can imagine. Why go with a buddy buddy system,
don't go alone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Yeah, I'm a full believer in the buddy system.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I would never go a partner, good good tip.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And the shafts, I wouldn't. Don't go in the shafts either,
because you know, they used to timber them, timber them
to keep it from you know, caving in, because you know,
when you pull the rock out, the earth wants to
fill that back in. So they put timbers in there
to to take care of the pressure. But those timbers

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can rot, and if you're going in there, you know,
one hundred years later you might kick something or whatever
and timber goes and then then.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
You're breathe on it wrong and it falls.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And there's also chances that you go on those those verticals,
those horizontal shafts, that you can get bad air too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Sure. Yeah, well, let's talk about some of these things
you found. John there, there you go, finds, finds, finds, fines.
Let's talk Yeah, yeah, let's talk about this one first.
Let me share this up forty I think nothing to
do it by now, but here we go. Let's talk

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about this one, all right. So this is sort of
an image I guess this is some type of display.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Right of the area that I found these particular gold specimens.
And yeah, those are the old obviously pictures of when
it was the minds were going concern. Well that's all
rubble now, I mean, actually none of those buildings are
even standing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
So there's another picture of that gold finger I found
in the middle of the road.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
And that's gold on courts, and one to the right
is the gold plates and film on. There's some courts there,
and also some spal right, which is a zinc sulfid.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
So you find a lot of natural and free gold.
Are native and free gold. It's always usually contained within
some other type of mineral or some other type of rock.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah. The one on the left is all on sphalerite
that you can see. There's no quartz there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Right, Spalerite is just another rock.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It's zinc sulfi. It's another mineral.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah, yeah, cool, very off, very very rarely do you
actually just find a full full on gold only nugget,
I would think correct.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
The closest I've found was that one that was the finger.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
That is a beautiful piece. Let me show you this one,
this gold specimens picture you sent over that we showed earlier.
So startt the top, work your way down and tell
us what we're looking at here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Yeah, there we go. Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I guess the the way to describe these is these
are basically gold on courts specimens, all of them. And
these are all cabsans that were cut by a friend
of ours who's a geologist and he's also ah, I
guess he cuts rocks and I'm forgetting the term here,

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but he makes cabasans and sells them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
What are cabans just sort of fancy word for a spheru.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Like a dome, sate dome or elongated shape of any
jamber mineral.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
But he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
These are not rock tumble. Those are cut, polished, cut
and polished.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Now the ones in the bottom, obviously or not. That's
another picture on the left of the gold on spaler right,
and then the the gold on courtz finger there and
gold on sports and on quurts and spaler Ate on
the right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah, and then you also have this picture here that
shows some more of those, maybe in a different in
a different.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
These Yeah, those are the same. I think I think
it might be a couple of different more uh smaller specimens,
but they're all the same. And that's a bad picture too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, it's still pretty cool man, that you can actually
turn you know, you you did the research, you went
out here, you did all that researching, you went out
you went up on this mountain in the middle of nowhere,
on the side of this mountain, and this massive dump
that professionals back in the day have already gone through,
and you're finding stuff, you know what I mean, right,
and you're able to turn it into something like this,

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which is pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah. This is their myss gold. This is what they're
missed gold, gold that they missed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
I'm like, yeah, you haven't talked to us about missed gold. Yeah,
that's because it's faint like a missed like miss gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Do you have the picture ken of the the one
where the where we're we have actually the slabs of
golden courts, and I the outlines of the stones.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, we get to that story. That's a great story.
I'll tell you this one. Yet here we go, okay,
so what are we looking at here?

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
So this this is the before pictures of the before
those tabshans that we saw in those previous pictures were cut.
This is the our stone cutter guy making the picking, uh,
outlining stones. And you can see he's got a couple

(01:07:01):
of squares there. We're doing some rectangular ones. There's some
triangular ones there, there's an oval and I think the
circular one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yeah, this is cool. I mean, it's pretty interesting how
they do that. And I could see how they do that.
They're like, oh, yeah, this is going to make a
good art piece, let's say, if that's what you want
to call them. But you told me a story about
this that I thought was really cool, because I asked
you last night. I'm like, well, what are you doing
with all this gold that you've found? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Well? Right, And see this is two years after i'd
found these specimens. This is about basically in twenty eleven,
twenty ten eleven, and so I have these rocks around
the house and it's like, what am I going to
do with them? I mean, yeah, it's golden, and it's

(01:07:52):
a rock and it's in a drawer, and okay, great.
As much as I look at the every day, it's
kind of like, okay, this isn't gonna work.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
So but as you're looking at it, the value of
it is going to be more in a decorative piece
versus the actual gold content. Is that why you would
have this done on these types of specimens and stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Yeah, we could have made specimens that would be you know,
you could show you know where we've all seen specimens
where the gold like loops around a piece of rock
and it's kind of sticking out. We could have done
that with that, right, But for me, I wanted to
be able to appreciate it. And my wife and I

(01:08:35):
were having our tenth wedding anniversary and I thought it
would be great for us to have golden Courts rings
from Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
So we contacted the stonecutter buddy of ours to go
cut the stones for us to do his and hers
anniversary rings.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Wow. And so pay attention to that picture just before
and picture of the shapes he had outline there, and
then check this out all right, tell us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
About Okay, So we went to we are the jewel
jeweler that we had the original our original wedding rings
made from. We went to him to have these rings
specially made custom So these are the tabshans. The square
one is the man's ring and the the more rectangular

(01:09:32):
one is the woman's my wife's ring. And we had
them set it in fourteen carrot white gold without the
roodeum finish, just uh, just the regular wait old finish
and with a hammered finish on the gold. It sort

(01:09:53):
of looks brushed here, but the effect was trying to
be like like aspen bark.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Oh yeah, I can see that absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
So yeah, we have those We wear those rings on
special occasions. And it's a special occasion and I'm wearing
the ring.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Hold on, let me let me get rid of this, Tony.
You want to blow that up? Yeah, yeah, let's see that.
And you must get all kinds of questions about that
ring and you're just like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Yep, occasionally, it's it's a ring. I mean, certainly has
a story, right, So you know, if we have friends
and stuff or people, so like, hey, look at the
rings that we got made.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Yeah, well, here's another story. I once you get into
let me share this thing. So you've seen a couple
of these pictures already, but let's talk about this. When
you go up to these mining mining towns, mining claims,
people lived up there, they lived up a real close by,

(01:10:55):
they had buildings there, they had all kinds of stuff,
and sometimes you find relics, right, I'm sure you have
found relics up there while looking for gold and cool
relics forks. Tony. I were up there with this filming
crew one time and we were searching all over. We
couldn't find anything in the mine owner. Who's this guy?
We know who we want to kind of get hooked

(01:11:17):
up with with you John, His grandson came up to
see who these two guys were hanging out with his
grandpa and the guy, and he walks out and he
brings back this really cool, like eighteen hundreds fork, you know,
like two tine, old fashioned kind of fork, right out
of the woods. And we're like, you didn't even have
a metal detector. How'd you find that? I was right

(01:11:38):
on the surface over there. So there's living stuff all around,
and I want you to tell this story about this
coin right here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
So again being a member of the rika C Club,
you know, around two thousand and eight time frame, we
had a when we met a guy at the Rest
of the Rockies in two thousand and eight there you go,
and we hit it off and we were telling him
that we were finding some golden in Colorado and the

(01:12:08):
mountains and he says like, hey, I want to go
with you guys. I was like, okay, well, we'll take care,
you know. And it's Guy's the next Navy c A man. Heye,
awesome guy and it was his name, and so I
took him up. Ron wasn't able to make it, but
I took him up to the sites where we find
in the gold and I wanted to show him how

(01:12:32):
to find the the specimens were talking about. I was like, well,
I'm not really interested in that. He wanted to go
hunt around all the buildings. So it's like, okay, sure, Ben,
and he says like I really want to. So there's
this like on this site, there's this like I'll say
it's it's kind of like a back in the day,
a top end outhouse. It's like it was a two holder.

(01:12:55):
It was like definitely a manager and because it was
pretty well put together, and he says like, I want
to go hunted there, and like, I'm going, Ben, you
know there's been bottled diggers up here for years and yeah,
you know, I'm sure that's been hunted out like a
hundred times. No, no, no, I want to go look, okay, Ben? Fine?

(01:13:20):
So I left him there to go hunt in this
outhouse and I go up make my you know what,
I'm doing the rounds and you know, just taking my
transect and coming back. So I swim back about an
hour later. Wow, I don't see Bean anywhere. I'm like,
uh oh, what's going on? Look at the outhouse and
I'll see him. I'm starting to get worried, and I go, okay,

(01:13:43):
I got to go in there and check because I
don't know if you know, board, can I hit him
or who knows what? So I go in there and
I stick my head in there and look and then
he he Bend's in there and he grasps me by
the shirt and says like, are we friends?

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Josh, like pop out one of the holes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
It was really serious, like John, are we friends? It's
like you we're friends?

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Ben?

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
It's like, no, are we really friends? It's like oh,
we get it, like, like, okay, guest Ben. At this point,
I know something's up. It's like this is ga and
then he's like, hold out your hand. So I hold
out my hand and he drops two gold coins in it.
Oh my god. So one of the coins was that

(01:14:28):
one dollar coin right there. Another one was a five
dollars gold coin.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
And I'm oh, my god, I can't believe you found
something in there. And so then I asked him how
far was it down and he says, like, oh, about
three or four inches. I was like, seriously, wow, wondered like,
what the how the heck are those still there? I
figured out I had him tell me how he was

(01:14:55):
doing his hunting in there. So he moved everything in
that house out house, including the holes with the little
thing that comes out with the holes in it, and
he moved the boards around and everything. So I guess
the best we can determine what happened is is those
gold coins were in the cracks of the little place

(01:15:16):
where you would put where the holes were, and he
moved it around and those gold coins dropped to the
ground so that he could find them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Wow. Makes complete sense if that's actually what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Right, like exactly, and it's because well, I don't know
what the other explanation would be, right, Oh yeah, exactly
to be that shallow and I'm sure that they was
dug out many a time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yeah, well you took him up to find gold. He
found gold.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
He did. He's awesome, I mean, and so the best
part was, or it was magnanimous of him. He gave
me the one dollar gold coin to keep, so that
was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Of course your friends, now, of course your friends, absolutely,
we are you are friends, you are. You wanted to
make sure before he let you in on the he was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Dead set that he knew that he could find something
in those.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Our house and good for him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
That's incredible because I was like, I'm scoffing and like,
you're not going to find anything in there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Man. Here's the thing, don't ever doubt. I mean, if
you have a hint.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Or yeah, well hunch. Listen, if if everyone in our
chat was on camera right now and I said, raise
your hand if you've ever gone digging in an outhouse
or either bottles or for relics or something, everyone's going
to raise their hand. So if you don't know it,
know it now. From listening here to relet radio. Bang

(01:16:52):
on those wood wooden slats on the base of the
of the whole platform, Bang on those things, move the
reps because you just never know, You just never know,
could be gold coins in there? Man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
So so Ron Ron and I went back, uh the
next weekend afterwards, because how could we not because everything
out of there, and we dug it. We didn't find anything.
But it's kind of like, how could we not go back?

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Wow? That is amazing. That's a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
He is a master hunter, let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah, some people just got it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Have you had any interesting either wildlife run ins or
scary situations near near misses up there? No, not really,
except for almost having a heart attack when your friend
pulled out two gold coins out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
It's right, well, especially when I'm going there thinking if
something's heard or falling, you know, going down in the house,
Oh my god, what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
On the human skull or something inside? Are we friends?
I got to show you something? Are we friends? You know? Right? So,
how did you did you or how did you actually
or did you bring this up to your fellow members
in Eureka? Like when you guys came back, did you
do find to the month and be like we found

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gold coins or or been found gold coins.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I did not claim the finder. I did not since
I did not find a gold coin, I not legitimately
claim I found a gold coin.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Right, But did you tell Eureka?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
I did tell the story.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Somewhere on the West slope, somewhere right exactly. All good
stories start like that. So I was somewhere in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
And I found in the mountains.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
This gold Spanish shield from the Spanish expedition. Ah man, well,
I can't wait to go I can't wait to go up.
And you got excited about it. And now not all
states are gold producing, right. Once you get further east,
things start petering out a bit. I mean, I know
I've heard Georgia I think has some gold. I don't

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know about Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Do a lot of the the Georgia does. Maybe already
mentioned that because a lot of the original gold finders,
like the Russell Party in Colorado, they came from Georgia.

Speaker 6 (01:19:30):
Yeah, Aria, Yeah, yeah, So what I will tell you
now this is something I need to get going on myself.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Is is so for your other listeners, is like obviously
finding golden streams is hard in Colorado. But the places
I would try would be where dredges have gone through
because as they're dragging up all the gold from the bottom. Sure,
and those guys they can't get it all either. Again,

(01:20:08):
you still have the issue of whether you can get
on the property or not. But yeah, those are legitimate
places to go as well.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
I've also heard, I'm told by a lot of people
that there's nothing left in Ohio to gold wise. Everybody
always says that there's no relics, there's no coins, there's
no gold in Ohio. No one even go there. I mean,
we hear it from tons of people in Ohio that

(01:20:38):
there's just nothing there, so please stay away.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
There's no Confederate there either.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Oh oh, there you go Great Lakes. Huh, Yeah, I've
heard that too. I don't know, man, Ohio just sounds
like a boring place.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Yeah, I would never go there. We do have a
couple of questions. I know we've got a couple of
minutes left here, but there's a couple questions that came
in on the chat or one more of a statement.
Robert Thompson says, I've been penning Minard's play stand at
home a few flakes in there. Have you ever heard
of people doing that as well? The home depot, play
sand and stuff like that and you find gold in it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I've heard it. I had an experience or tried it myself.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
It's kind of cheating.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
It's not really part of the you know, the whole
expedition adventure experience, other than going to Minards or home
depot and going through the checkout.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
So got it in a kiddie pull in the backyard
and you're just practicing your panning a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Like you know, there's a thing that said where a
lot of people like to buy paydirts from different.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Yeah, yep, we got a good local guy that actually
sells it. Clash clash, Yes, check out clash was he called.
He called some of them. Oh clash is crumbs. Yep,
that's one of the descriptions he has. And yep, yeah,
he'll actually seed it with gold. It's more of just

(01:21:59):
a fun thing to do to see if you can
pan it out. I remember a while ago, you remember
emm A. Lyman, Mike Lymon, Mike. Yeah, he got a
bunch of pay dirt and we were doing an auction.
He was raising money for somebody in the in the community.
I forget and everyone was calling up donating items, and
then people would would bid on them, and I ended

(01:22:20):
up getting a bunch of pay dirt from Mike Mike
that Mike had and I panned it out and I
found a bunch of little flakes and put them in
a little vial. Matter of fact, I still have some
of that I haven't panned out in my garage. And uh,
it was a lot of fun just seeing that color
come out and practicing your panning skills, you know. Yeah,

(01:22:43):
so Peter's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
We got a good question here from Jason up in
South Dakota. Is there a way to release the gold
from the mineral without needing a chemistry degree?

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Well, what the old timers used to do again, we're
talking about gold here. They would just get up mortar
and pestle that's iron and just pound it and pound
and then basically pan out the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Dust, break away all of the other minerals and stuff
the other rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Sure, the other things, like you say, it would involve
dealing with acids and other things that are kind of
messy and you don't want to deal with. It's almost
not worth it to deal to mess with it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Yeah, I've heard a lot of that with with black sand,
doing those chemicals around black sand to extract out the
the gold, as well as like computer chips, you know,
trying to get the gold on chips with with kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Thing like nitric acid and also some awkward regia which
dissolves gold and then they have to precipitate the gold
out again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Correct. Yeah, it's very interesting to look into that stuff.
You know, you want to hear when you hear a
good gold reclamation story real quick. Had a friend of
mine who was an engineers physicist, and he worked for
this company in Golden and they made they did like
optic lasers. So he worked on these very high end

(01:24:15):
optic lasers, and there was these pieces of this test
equipment they would get that had these real thin layers
of gold on it and also some platinum and a
bunch of heat. The way he explains it, a bunch
of accountants bought the company and they ran it into
the ground, and so he left before the ship sank.

(01:24:36):
But after the ship sank, they were having a huge auction.
They were auctioning off lathes and all kinds of tools
and equipment. So he went there just to see what
he could pick up on auction, and there was in
the back at the garbage can there was boxes and
boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of these test pieces,
these little piece of test equipment that he knew had

(01:24:56):
a bunch of gold in it, especially with the number
of parts that we're in these boxes. So he went in.
He asked them and said, hey, can am I free
to grab whatever you got in back in the garbage
and they're like, yeah, take whatever you want back there.
It's just a bunch of junk, you know, a bunch
of trash. So him and a buddy they boxed it
all up and he had he had an appointment that
to get to. So he told his buddy take it

(01:25:17):
down here to the reclamation place, and whatever we get,
I'll split with you fifty to fifty, because it was
his idea and his way of getting this stuff. But
the guy was actually going to go take it to
the reclamation place, and the reclamation place took a third.
That was their deal. See, they brought them all in
there and later, just like your story, John, later in

(01:25:40):
the day the guy called my buddy and said, are
we friends? No, are we really friends? You know that
they had thirty three thousand dollars worth of gold that
they reclaimed off those things, and something like one one
Troyon's a platinum or something like that. And yeah, so
they each bought a little what do they call it,

(01:26:04):
one of those little tiny cars, Coopers. They bought Coopers,
many Coopers. They took each got eleven thousand dollars and
two guys, and then the place took eleven thousand dollars.
But uh, just sitting in the garbage in the back,
and just because the guy knew what to look for. Yeah,
you know, you know, you know, you know is golden
huh literally literally exactly. So the big question john on

(01:26:31):
everyone's mind, when are you me and Tony going up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
When it gets warm?

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I called the outhouse. Yeah, so when we do research,
we got to see there's an ouncehouse outhouse nearby.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
True, that's obviously where the most cold is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
He's got to be. It'll be jumping up and down
on it. Come on, jackpotone, knocking it over right. Tony
and I had an opportunity one time to on one
of those big double hole outhouses on a like a
late eighteen hundreds mill site here in Longmont that it
had actually been knocked over but didn't look like anybody

(01:27:13):
had been digging in there. And it was on our
agenda to get back to this permission that we had
and eventually get into that privy pit. But then we
had the permission pulled away from us by the construction
company that was building next door. So I don't even
know what happened. Hadn't been searched, and there's no way
anybody was there, and I don't know what they did,

(01:27:34):
if they leveled all that and dug all that out
or what they did, but I know they leveled the house.
But maybe the privy pit's still there. Man, we can
go back there and dig through the dig through the
landscaping and get get arrested. That'd be fun. Yeah great, Yeah, well, John,
You've been great man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I'll never look at the outhouse again. It's like, okay, move.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Those girls around, Yeah, right the same. I bet people
are right that down right now, And the people listening
on the replayer are like, yeah, man, I got to
remember to do that and road hunt in a road
like I would have never thought that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
I have a difficulty hunting roads because generally the the
ruts that you know, the two lane whatever. The two
track is usually harder to dig in, so I usually
steer clear. I'll hunt right on the sides, but I
generally stay out of them, out of their actual ruts.
But that's where people are, right, I mean, we want
to know that. That's where the wagons are going. That's
where they drop stuff off of the wagons. It's in

(01:28:33):
the middle of the road.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Yeah, and ten feet away from wherever you park. That
seems to be a general a general thing there. That's
like where all the hammered silvers are in England, and
that's where all the gold Celtic coins are. Ten I
was ten feet from the truck. I was on my
way back. I was done for the day. I was
fifteen feet away from the truck. I thought one more
signal than bang. Yeah. Yeah. Oh hey, by the way,

(01:28:59):
you order the new HF two coil from dais.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Oh a question for me?

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Yeah? Did you order the new.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
It's on order. It hasn't shown up yet. Yeah, okay,
try it out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Yeah, we'll have to get together when you get that
in hand, when the weather gets better, and we'll all
we'll all go out and uh yeah, try and find
some nuggets. I'd love to do it, just to go
get out there and if anything, you're in the mountains,
beautiful air, you know what I mean. Days there you go,

(01:29:34):
there you go. That's true. I did want excuse me,
I did want to mention.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
I did see on Facebook that Heath Jones I think
had three the high frequency coils for the DAIS two
that are available right now. So if anybody's out there
listening and history history seekers, Heath Shones, so reach out
to him and get that sent out to you. They're
kind of tough to come by, you know, being on

(01:29:58):
order and and all that way.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
With the tariffs, right, the tariffs have kind of really wrecked. Yeah,
so we'll have to well, hopefully you get that at
least by the time weather it turns here, because we're
getting ready to go into the cold weather months. But
so we have a whole winter to talk about it, John,
That sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Research in the winter, Yes, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
What you do. That's all. Tony and I do research,
and then we get busy in the spring detecting and
don't ever get a chance to go finish up and
follow up on some of that research. We always do
more research than what we act on for sure. But well, look, man,
you've been You've been a great guest, John, I knew
you would be. Thank you for all the information on

(01:30:43):
a subject that we don't talk about very much. In
the metal detecting world. You have prospectors. They go out
looking for gold, they look for golden the rivers, They sluice,
they dredge, they high bank. You just don't hear too
many people talking about going to dump mine dumps. Lucer.
Troy was talking about Jeff Williams. Jeff Williams is all

(01:31:07):
about hard rock mining and you know, dry washes and
mine dumps and stuff. So I know he's got some
great videos on it. Yeah, great channel stuff, sure is,
and entertaining him and his partner, Guy needs to eat
a little more. But his partner, remember Skinny mcpete or

(01:31:30):
whatever his name is. He Uh, he's a he's great too,
He's very knowledgeable. But yeah, so check him out Jeff
Williams if you haven't checked out that. Matter of fact,
I'd love to get him on here sometime and check
out that YouTube channel. But uh so what's next for you? John?
When how often do you get out around town? Not enough?

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
I'm uh I cut back my work hours recently, so
I'm having like an extra day or so a week
to get out, and I'm gonna be interested in finding
gold in some parks because I go to the mountains
every day, so it's nice to just take a half

(01:32:14):
hour an hour ride to the park and try your luck.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Yep, and that gold park, the park gold is sells
the same as a mountain gold.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
And fact, my guess is I mean I talked to
one of the hunters in Eureka and he says, like,
I found more gold in the parks than you found
your on your minds and they're like, you're right, you
have true by the gram. He's found many more yeah,
grams of gold.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Than I have a right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Yeah, we get the emails about that crap. We do, like,
look what we found this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
I found my share of gold rings, but not nearly enough.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Yeah. Well, last week we had guys on from England
talking about their trip to England and everyone wanted to
know how much it costs. And it costs a lot
of money. You're looking at probably four grand to get
over there and do everything and airfare and everything, and
tell you what, it doesn't take too many gold rings
to add up to four thousand dollars with being four
thousand dollars an ounce. So get out there and hit

(01:33:18):
those top lots. Go out there and hit those soccer
fields around the old basketball courts, like wherever you think
people might have those rings fall off. Yeah, get out
there and find it and get your get your get
your stock pilot for the next new machine that comes out,
or maybe you want to head to England or Germany
or something. Yeah, gold so expensive now, so yeah, but

(01:33:41):
I like the idea of searching, like in the mountains
for this elusive absolute What I mean, it's more of
a like a conquest than when you find it. It's
a it's more of an adventure to go look for
gold nuggets in a place where.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
They definitely what you're doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Yeah, yep, excellent. Well any final words from you, John
will puts you back down the green room and then
we'll say aah goodbyes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Off the air, okay, Yeah, just I would encourage everybody
to to chase whatever gold is near them, and because
it's not about the money, but it's about the dream
and having the fun and that's what I like doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Love it, yeah, absolutely love it. Thanks for coming on
with us, Like you said, sticking down, stick around down below,
and we'll sayah goodbyes. Off the air in just a second, John,
thank you, Thanks John, Yeah, who a lot of Yeah.

(01:34:42):
It gets you excited, right, gets you like, well, let's go, man,
it does you know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
I Wednesdays we're talking to these guests. You know, like
last week we had a great fourth or two great
guests on talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Gold in England. I wanted to go to England.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
This week we're talking about you know, getting up in
the mountains in the gold mining town.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Silverman, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
I'm ready to go. I'm watching Hoover Boys earlier. I'm like,
I want to find go out to the fields.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
It's it's all of these different thing and it's just
so much motivation, right, it's incredible, incredible, Just not enough
to him time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
There's not just work things cutting into my days off. Sure,
I need to have a talk with my boss and
see if we can work something out. Start having him
listening to the show, so at least he knows where
it's coming from. Right, that's right, good show, buddy, I
appreciate it. Anything going on with you. I know you've
got that three D printer. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, lots of cool stuff going on with that. Actually,
see if I can pull this up real quick. Uh no,
I made this little detecting mouse. It's kind of corny,
but there we go. It's a little mouse with the
detector and a shovel. I'm just having fun with it, right,
you know, it's an amazing that machine hobbies. God, I know,

(01:35:58):
it's it's crazy up. So I do want to mention
before before we sign off here. We mentioned at the
beginning mister Bobby Buttons from the Hoover Boys having some
medical issues, and we've thrown the gofund me in the description,
and I was watching in the chat and I think

(01:36:20):
Nick had mentioned that they're up over ten thousand now,
so outstanding support from the community. If you guys have
an opportunity and are willing to donate, you know, anything
helps head over to there and help up Bobby Buttons there.
So I just want to throw that out there if
you guys want to see what I'm doing fifty two
eighty adventures over on all the social media wherever you

(01:36:41):
can find me, see what I'm up to, posting some pictures,
some funny memes, some funny videos and stuff like that.
So come over check it out, interact with me, and
that's all I got.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Cool. Yeah, I guys, go check that out. Tony's been
doing a good job putting out some pretty funny memes
and stuff. But like he was saying about that gofunding account,
you know, even if you're in a position where you
can donate some and help out that way, if you
have any type of social media audience, either on Facebook
or Instagram, TikTok, whatever, see if you can put out
the links. See if you find a way of actually

(01:37:12):
putting out the link to your audience to help them
get the word out and expose it to as many
people as possible. Family can use some help. If you
didn't hear the story, go back to the beginning of
the show and listen to Tony spelling all that out
for you. So and best of health and speedy recovery
to Bob for sure. But if you can help out,

(01:37:33):
go go check out that go funding account and give
what you can or share it if you can, that'd
be great. You can find me at adventures and dirt
anywhere on the social media pages. Looking forward to maybe
getting out one more time this season before we get
frozen and hammered here in Colorado. But if you get out,
go have a great time, be safe, find the good

(01:37:54):
stuff and tell me about it, and we'll see you
next Wednesday right here on Relicts Radio. Have a good night, guys,
Thank you so much for listening to Relics Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
We will see you back here next week for another
exciting guest.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Until then, get out and dig it all.

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