EP 129: Appalachian Bigfoot Files

Aleks Petakov, Filmmaker and Member of Small Town Monsters Productions, joins us to discuss The Appalachian Bigfoot Files, Beyond the Trail of Bigfoot, and more.

PLEASE LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, RATE, AND REVIEW ON ALL PLATFORMS: YouTube, Facebook, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Spreaker, or wherever you listen!

GET YOUR SASQUATCH EXPERIENCE GEAR FROM THE SQUATCH PRO STORE!

Sean Forker hosts SASQUATCH EXPERIENCE, which also features Matt Arner, James Baker, Vance Nesbitt, and Henry May.

Creative Consultants: 
Matt Knapp (Bigfoot Crossroads) & Les Sincavage (Xplorers: Seekers of the Truth). 

Show Executive Producer: Brian Corbin

Special Thanks to all our Patreons:
The Experiencers: Jeffreylee Matthis, Got Knockers!, Larry Sharpe, Scott Dieterele, & Tom Mihok
Trackcasters: Cindy Brewer
The Hollers: Gail Frederick, David Hickernell, Bryley Hull,  Matt Arner, Laurie Nelson, & Lori Worthington

Without their support, this show would not be possible. For as little as $2 per month, please consider becoming one of our supporters on PATREON.

Our show intro music, “Epic Action Trailer” by Roman Senyk Music, is licensed to us for commercial use. “9-11 Bigfoot Call” is also used under Fair Use. Sean Forker and Gabriel Forker are credited with the intro and exit voiceover work. Sasquatch Experience Trailer music, “It's in the Fog” by Darren Curtis, is used with permission and attribution. 

If you’d like to hear a particular topic or guest, EMAIL US! 

Check us out:
Facebook | X | Instagram | SasquatchExperience.com


Sasquatch Experience by Sean Forker, James Baker, Vance Nesbitt,  Matt Arner, and Henry May is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License.
Based on a work at https://www.spreaker.com/show/sasquatch-experience.Permissions. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at https://www.sasquatchexperience.com/permission.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/sasquatch-experience--4208641/support.


Sasquatch Experience by Anomalis Entertainment, LLC  is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License.
Based on a work at https://www.spreaker.com/show/sasquatch-experience.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at https://www.sasquatchexperience.com/permission.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch
Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,
or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion
is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
We got someone or something crawling around out here?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Does a legend walk among us working in the forests
of our world?

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Did you see what it was?

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Was it a person or an animal?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Or I can't go Oh, I know that my thunder
light came on and I just happened to glen and
see this thing running across the yard.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
A good fight man or something.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
It looks like a man.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
I don't know what it was.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,
and witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around the
existence of this mysterious entity.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Hello, get somebody out here.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
What's going to announce there?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
To AVECTA about six?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
I don't know, easy announce there?

Speaker 6 (01:19):
Yeah, I'm walking right out.

Speaker 7 (01:21):
Oh, okay, hand on.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Yeah, got you bigger?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay, what's you doing your yarn?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Join us as we continue into the investigation of the
Sasquatch Experience.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
Every time I see that little with Henry May at
the end. It always makes me happy. I don't know, yeah,
it just does. Yet we want welcome to the Sasquatch
Experience for Monday, July twenty first, two thousand and five,
and Henry has been already.

Speaker 8 (02:16):
It is It is vance, guys.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
We've got a grade show tonight, our friend Alex Pettikov
joining us again. Appalachian Bigfoot files all over small town
Monsters beyond the Trail we name it. She's there and
we're glad to have him with us tonight. But before
we get started with Alex, we do have a couple
housekeeping notes. It's that time of the year again, guys.
We all feel very charitable and Sasquatch Experience we're all

(02:38):
about giving back.

Speaker 8 (02:40):
This year.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
We are once again doing our Squatch Out Hunger campaign
with a goal of twelve hundred and fifty bucks, which
equals five hundred pounds of food. So I found out
what the average costs a pound of food is. I've
got a twenty twenty three number. I adjusted it for inflation,
so we figured five hundred pounds about the average size
of the Sasquatch. Matt and I got some plans for

(03:02):
a future event that we're doing, but this is the
way we could do it where.

Speaker 8 (03:04):
Everyone can participate.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Go to our website or even our social media after
the show tonight and we'll have all kinds of information
there for you so we can all contribute help us
reach our goal of twelve hundred and fifty bucks. You know,
more than forty seven million people in America face hunger.
We don't like that. We want to make sure everybody
has a chance for a good, healthy meal. And if
you know, Matt and I would like to eat, so

(03:27):
one of the ways we get back make sure everybody
has a seat at the table. So join us in
helping squatch out hunger folks. So that's watch experience dot
com for more information, or go to our social media
whenever we get a chance. And now for something a
little bit more selfish, you could join our Patreon for
as little as put them up bullies two dollars a month.

Speaker 8 (03:47):
That's less than a cup of coffee yep.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
And then women join us, get some extion yp shield
details things going.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
On, you name it, we got it.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Going over there visiting videos from Baker their PG.

Speaker 8 (03:59):
Don't worry a little cryptid corner.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
From Henry stands for crypt Jack Wilderness, Matt Arnoer and
the Sasquatch experiences with the Worst truly Seohn Forker.

Speaker 8 (04:10):
So we got a lot going on, guys.

Speaker 9 (04:12):
Oh boy, thanks boy.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Of promotion housekeeping notes. That's all I got. We're going
to get this kick this started, Matt.

Speaker 8 (04:22):
I do really, really really.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Excited about tonight. So I'm gonna throw it to let
you kick us off.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Oh well, I mean, I have a very controversial question
for Alex. Alex, I know you've been up here in
our area or neck to the Woods. You love Old
Forge Pizza.

Speaker 8 (04:41):
I do, But.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
With the three previous episodes in West Virginia down at Davis,
would you rather have Old Forge Pizza or West Virginia
Pepperoni role? Oh boy, you didn't try. No, I know,
I'm gotta get in trouble. Oh boy. I mean, I'll
be honest. I'm gonna go with the Old Forged pizza

(05:08):
like pizza more. I think pizzas a better overall, you know,
and just something about you know, the times I've gotten
it is either driving through the area after we've exports
of the bland and mines or something. So it just
makes it that much more satisfying. But yeah, the pepper
and URLs are great. We had some fantastic ones back
in April and we were down there. Some of the

(05:29):
gas station ones can be hit or miss, but yeah,
like the restaurant ones we had were incredible. But yeah,
just I'm I'm a pizza guy at heart, So sorry,
West Virginia. I love you to compromise. I will say,
you know, CRIPTI there's the Mythical Pizza there in West Virginia,
which is like a pizza place, and the pizza is amazing,
So I recommend checking that out if you're in like

(05:51):
the eastern part of West Virginia. Mythical Pizza. He would
that be from Davis, which I guess Davis is kind
of the hub. Yeah, it's not an hour east. It's
actually very close to a town called the Hancock, Maryland.
It's right tiny sliver of Maryland. It's surrounded by Pennsylvania
and West Virginia. It's very close actually to the Turnpike

(06:14):
tunnels there in Breezewood, Pennsylvania. At less than an hour
from that area. So yeah, it's a little bit on
the further kind of panhandle of West Virginia. But yeah,
it's a great spot. So let's let's get right into
the into the main topic here. I mean, I'm gonna
tell you the the West Virginia episodes absolutely blew my mind. Yeah,

(06:41):
particularly particularly with the audio evidence that you got that
that you guys weren't initially aware of, which is you know,
which is really amazing. Could you tell us a little
bit about some of the experiences you had down there
in West Virginia. Yeah, with those episodes absolutely so. Back
in April, early April my fault, which you guys know, Matt,

(07:06):
you certainly know. We've been out with those guys Shan
through Brian Garvey of Brian and chuwiego hiking, Mike Lucci
of the cr C, of my brother. You know, we
all went down this trip in early April to West
Virginia and we kind of did like a week just
driving through the mountains. Linked up with a bunch of
local folks as well, people like Les Odell, Charles Kimbrough,

(07:28):
Jonathan Dodd and his brother. They're in Virginia. So I
always like to meet, like when I come busy, you
guys in Pennsylvania, I always like to link up with
my local buddies in the areas that visit. But we
spent about a week down there. It was over a
week actually because we went into Virginia technically as well.
It was a whole big kind of trip. But two
nights in a row in different locations, we recorded these

(07:49):
kind of woodennock type sounds that you know the first night, well,
this is not the first night sequentially, I'll say just
of the two nights in question, they were like three
nights a part in very different locations, maybe thirty forty
miles from each other. But the more interesting one was
near Dolly Sads, which is kind of a designated wilderness
area within the mononga Hala National Forest in West Virginia.

(08:13):
We came to this one location we actually got locked
in technically behind a National Forest gate. It's a whole
whole other story, but it kind of lessens the chances
of human contamination because we went into an unlocked gate
and were, unbeknownst to us, locked behind the gate. So well,
we spend a night there and we had set up

(08:34):
a tree stand. I have this like a mobile, not sorry,
not a mobile, but a it is mobile, but it's
a saddle hunting tree stand, which allows me to deploy
it basically anywhere. I set up in this tree and
then upon reviewing footage later on, like once we got home,
there's this really weird scream as we're as we're just talking,

(08:55):
you know, I was having my brother film me just
I was spraying the tree stand with some like scent remover,
you know for hunting, just you know, kind of going
through the all process, and there's this weird, like ah
kind of scream in the background, and I kind of
went around. I accounted for everybody in our group that
was there. Everyone was either around us, and there was

(09:16):
one person sleeping at camp, and it's like this scream
sounds like it's from the distance, so it's inconclusive, but
it was weird. You know. I had some people look
at it who do audio stuff and they're like, well,
that's that's unusual. You know. They can't say one hundred
percent what it is. They don't know what made the sound,
but the chances that somebody else's back they're just randomly
screaming not that far from us. None of us did it.

(09:37):
I mean we have again, we were all accounted for.
There was like five of us there, plus Chewy the dog,
you know, and in the previous frames to that clip
where that was captured, everyone is accounted for. It is
within you know, five ten feet of each other because
I was finishing up spending up my stand as you
can see that in the video, which is the beyond

(09:58):
the trail appellation big Foot Trail. I know it's a
little bit redundant there, but that's the way the title
came out. So that was weird, Like, didn't notice that
until way after. And then that night at that same location,
we had multiple bodio recorders deployed in different locations, and
Mike Lucci actually had noticed some of the audio that

(10:20):
was found there, which was just like these knocks, you know,
kind of typical knocks. It almost sounds like there was
some that were closer and some that were further and
crashing sound very typical, nothing extraordinary, you know, I would say,
nothing with like mind blowing, but in conjunction with the scream,
you know, it's it's all very included. There's there's there's Brian,
of course, he's awesome. Brian don't know what I'm talking about.

(10:42):
So the only bummer is we weren't able to stay
at that location a second night, because we had then
found out that morning that we were locked in this gate,
and you know, we said, oh gosh, and you know,
we had to just leave the area because technically we
weren't supposed to be there just yet, because the National
Forest hadn't opened that area, but people who had like

(11:02):
a remote hunting camp further up had opened it during
the day, and you know, we kind of exploited that.
And anyway, not to incriminate myself too much here, but
it happens, right, It's like it was, Yeah, it does. Unfortunately,
we've dealt with a you know, we have kind of
a curse where this group of guys like this is
the third April in a row where we've been trying
to get to locations then that gates have prevented us

(11:24):
from doing so, or we've got locked behind the gate,
had incidents. So that's a bit of funny story. But anyway,
just to get back to the topic, Yeah, it was weird.
I mean, I can't say anything definitive about it. And then,
as I mentioned, a few nights later, we were at
a different location, maybe less than forty miles south of there,
also in the kind of mononga Hala National Forest and
Charles Kimbro, who actually does a lot of audio research.

(11:47):
He develops microphones and he does a lot of great work.
He had captured this knock three four in the morning.
It was just a very clean, crisp There's no other
sound going on. So, you know, it's one of the
things you can't really you can't prove any one way
or another way. I guess it's just kind of a
it's intriguing you kind of it's tantalizing, as I guess.

Speaker 8 (12:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
And the one thing, if I if I recall correctly,
is the knock that was recorded on the second site
was very similar, uh to the one that you guys
recorded at Dolly Sides. It did it did sound, but
it had that same kind of like hollow kind of
baseball bat sound characteristic to it. You know, I've heard

(12:31):
knocks like that before. Can I say those are bigfoot?
Obviously I can't. I have not seen what's producing this sound,
but I've heard in a couple of other places, like
in Alaska and up here in New Hampshire. So it's
just one of those things that once we had realized,
you know, we were initially planning and staying in that
one location just for for one night. Moving on, you know,

(12:51):
we're we're camping, we're hiking, We're we're staying in some
locations for a couple of days. We're kind of you know,
we had you know, we had a whole plan and
what we're going to do, and based off of that
not we said, yeah, we're definitely staying in this location
another night, just because hey, maybe lightning will strike twice.
And that second night was a disaster. We lost the tire,
and you know, it was just turned into a bit

(13:13):
of a yeah, a disaster I think would be the
right word for it. Yep, but it was still I
mean that again, that whole series, there's three particular episodes
dealing with West Virginia correct or Yeah. So so it's
a bit confusing. So this was technically part of the

(13:33):
Beyond the Trail or Bigfoot Beyond the Trail series. I
just we'd filmed so much. I was like, this had
I can't this can't be one video. It's going to
be three hours long. We did so much, so I
had planned initially to do two episodes. I was like, oh, yeah,
I'll just I'll split it up. You know, it'll be
first half the second half, but then we ended up
also getting so much that I'm like maybe three because

(13:54):
I don't I don't want to, you know, cut out
parts that I think are unimportant. Like in the second part,
we explored this really intricate cave system, this like Liver
River Cave, and I thought that could be a whole
thing under itself. So at the same time I was
filming this, which is Beyond the Trails, is a much
more kind of investigative, boots on the ground sort of

(14:15):
thing where it's just it's a lot raw, more raw
than you know, more interview based stuff. But the other
stuff I was working on was appalation Bigfoot Files, which
is you know, as you get You and Sean have
both been in that series. I think, Matt, you've been
in three episodes I think of that series now, which
is I think the most. Maybe Mike Lucci might be
in three as well. But you're up there for like

(14:37):
one of the most featured guests. And that's so much more. Yeah,
that's much more just interview based, and it's about you know,
covers the Appalachian Mountains basically from from north to south
and just interesting cases. You know. We just released one
yesterday about the the infamous Vermont Trail camera photo when
I interviewed the guy who got that, and you know
that's now you're being a five pound owl, the giant,

(15:00):
and that one's been around for a long time, right
twenty ten. But every episode of the Appalachian big Foot
Files covers a different section of the mountains. So you know,
we did the episode that both Sean and you have
been in, Matt was the one about that Allegheny Plateau
area where you guys are research, which falls into the
Appalachian Mountains. Whereas the other episode about the Suskin Screamer,

(15:23):
which I love that legend amazing, is about northeast Pennsylvania
the Pogonos. And then we had an episode that was
that you actually featured in two, which was about the
northern New Jersey and you know up too High Point
State Park because that brush us up right against the
areas that you go into. So that's in my mind.
I have a map I'm trying to make of covering

(15:44):
all the different areas and kind of make them interlocking.
And I'm just starting to get up into my neck
of the woods in New England. But so far we've
had episodes dealing with western North Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia
two in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Massachusetts featuring John Wilkes Encounter,
which is a lot of favorite encounters of all time.

(16:06):
John Wilke's a great guy, so it's just an awesome episode.
So yeah, that's kind of that series. But yeah, it
was a little confusing because those three episodes that beyond
the Trail were also kind of appalation Bigfoot Trail. So
I don't know, maybe it's a little confusing, but that's
that's my fault, not at all. I mean, every every
episode really drew us in, but you kind of led us.

(16:31):
And now to our next point, which is about the
new episode that premiered yesterday with the Vermont photo. Can
you tell us a little bit more about that. Yeah,
so recently I got in touch with Frank Sazinski, who
is as a friend of Steve Calls. And I've known
of Frank, I've just never met him, even though you know,

(16:52):
we go to the Whitehall Bigfoot Fessel every year, which
is one of my favorite events. It's kind of the
missing the missing one, the main one up here at
the New England Northeast area draws people from the whole region.
You know the Whitehall story obviously as a classic a
bear road involving all the law enforcement. I'm sure Matt
you know about that story.

Speaker 8 (17:10):
Of course.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
So that whole area I always loved. Whitehall is only
a few hours from me in New Hampshire, but you know,
you have that part of Vermont right there, And what's
so interesting about Whitehall in that area is it's it's
basically right on one side in the foothills of the
Green Mountains of Vermont, which go through the entirety of
the state, from the southern part where you have the
Bennington Triangle and lots of famous encounters, to the northern

(17:34):
part which goes all the way up to the border
with Canada. And one of the first people I ever
interviewed back in the day, over ten years ago, a
big fool witness had an encounter in right along the
Canadian border in the northern part of the Green Mountains.
And then on the other side of Whitehall you have
the Adirondacks. So there's so many great reports just in
that area. It's amazing. So yeah, I'd got to make

(17:54):
a long story short. I had gotten in touch with
Frank Sizinski and I went out to his property and
interviewed him all about that weird a trail camera picture
he has, And you know, I thought it was mainly
just going to be a little segment about him talking
about the camera and maybe that will be like a
part of an episode covering the broader Vermont area. But

(18:14):
he had a lot of stories to tell, so I
was like, you know what, this might as well be
its own thing and just let him talk about, you know,
the first part of the episodes about trail camera photo.
But then I'd say, like almost, you know, the other half,
if not more, is about local encounters that he was
familiar with or he had been told subsequently after the

(18:35):
photo came out. That kind of made this really interesting
corroborative hatter in the area. And for whatever reason, there's
a lot of sightings in that area that include creatures
going into the water. We're some eating things in the water,
which hardens me back to a really interesting sighting that
Paul Bartholomew has told me about. Paul's another fantastic research

(18:55):
in that area. He talks about these two guys who
were from Hong Kong. There were kind of local Chinese restaurant,
and they went fishing and they had seen this monkey
as they called it, like small ape creature, kind of
wading through the water part of Lake Champlain. They were
fishing at it, and to them it wasn't really unusual.
They you know, in Hong Kong we have prime ates
running around, so we didn't know they had they had

(19:17):
him here too. They acted very nonchalant about it, which
is really funny kind of the cultural connection that they
had to it. So they didn't I guess they didn't
understand the significance of their sighting, right. So but it
fits in again with some of the stuff Frank was
telling me where he had a friend who had seen
one of these things, as he described as a there
was a gorilla in the pond eating lilies. And this

(19:37):
is all within a few miles of where he got
that photo. So what I will say about the photo,
my personal opinion is it's it's rather inconclusive. I think
it's become almost like a rorshack test, and you just
see what you want to see. People see an owl,
you know, and people get really hung up on that,
and you know, Steve Calls has done, you know, lengked

(19:58):
the investigations into the photo, and you know, he had
contacted doctor Bruce mcabee, who's a optical physicist, who said
he didn't think that it was something close to the
camera like an acohol. He thought it was something closer
to the ground. So you know a lot of people
on watching that video, Yes, you're saying, well, I agree
with the biologist who said it was.

Speaker 9 (20:17):
An Now this is a professional I don't agree.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
That's one professional opinion, right for a biologist, sure, but
then you have another professional opinion from an optical physicist
who says that he doesn't think that's the case. I'm
sure if you take it to a third PhD they
might have a different opinion. So you know, you got
to realize there's not like a consensus about one opinion
Trump's the other. There has to be you know, how

(20:41):
how much have they examined it, looked into it, that
kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's a controversial thing. And
like I said, I think it's conclusive. I wish there
were more photos, and then it's heated multiple times. That's
the only day because right now we just have a
photo from twenty ten that draws I believe that the.

Speaker 10 (20:59):
Camera was set at sixty seconds per each photo. Yes,
the photo that was captured, I screenshoted it before I
listened to any analyzation of what the photo was. What
I saw was something with very broad shoulders looking directly

(21:22):
down at the ground. I and I know Bartholomew said that,
you know there was a juvenile underneath it. I didn't
see that, but I saw two arms on the ground
as it's looking at the ground with a conical head.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
That's exactly what I saw.

Speaker 10 (21:43):
And I left it at that, And then you know
when all the other speculation came out, well, you know
it's it's an owl.

Speaker 9 (21:52):
Yeah, I don't it's not.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
I mean, sorry, that's where I kind of go with
like it.

Speaker 9 (21:57):
Yeah, it did kind of go off the rail.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
See, oh there's a young one. I mean, there's that meat.
I know, Larry Beans Baxter is always making memes about like,
oh there's showby the baby, you know, or any photo.
Inevitably people say, oh there's a young one underneath the
rights to become a little bit of a being. You
know how common it is. But a lot of people
have said with this photo they think that again. Their
opinion too is you know, that's their opinion. My opinion,

(22:20):
you know, trying to be as objective as possible is
just I think it's rather inconclusive. I would much rather
have more data to work with. But oh, right, too right.
But my point with the episode was to try to
show the just the story behind the photo, the location
where it happened, how it's changed. I mean, it's been
quite a few years since that photo and then all

(22:41):
the other stories you know that surrounded it in that area, so.

Speaker 10 (22:45):
That they always taken in what twenty twelve, Alex twenty ten,
twenty ten.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Okay, it's definitely been a while. It was featured heavilyen
Finding Bigfoot. Of course, it's had some media coverage over
the years, and you know, Steve did a pretty thorough
invest stigation. You speak to doctor Bruce Macabee, and you know,
again people have their opinions about it. I think it's
it's it's fascinating, but it's just another chapter and kind
of appalation big Foot Files that talks about a local story.

(23:15):
And you know, it's funny because a lot of the people,
like they were saying like it was, especially with the blot,
like they get really hung up on the spots that
are found on it. They're like, oh, those spots, you
know what is? It shows it's And if you watch
the video, Steve explains that doctor Bruce mctiby says, those
are actually not white spots.

Speaker 9 (23:34):
Those are dark spots.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Right right now, I get all these angry comments and messages,
and I'm like, if you just watch the video, it's explained.
Like I try when I do a video, I try
to get all the information out that I can. And
you know, a lot of the questions and like angry
comments we get are answered if you just pay attention.
Sometimes the description of the video it says it too,

(23:58):
but nobody reads the scriptures.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I know that that was the point that was brought
up to that there was a full.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
Moon and it might have been moonlight that was reflecting.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Off of it.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
Well thanks, they yeah, you know, I understand this is
all speculation.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
But there was also there was a discrepancy between some
of the photos. You know, he was saying that there
was a coyote that was scared off by this creature,
and actually there was blam dates and from what I
understand from Steve's analysis, he said that that time stamps
are actually not accurate on the actual photo.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Oh really.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Now, I think that there were apples that were in
different spots. So I'm not sure if Frank meant that
was sequentially what happened, or that it was actually just
this was like the the last photo before this photo,
which may have actually been a day apart. But I
think the way he said it made it sound like
he was saying this coyote was scared off by something
I don't know. Also, full disclosure, Frank is eighty seven

(24:54):
years old and very hard at hearing. I mean, I
don't know if you could tell in the interview, but
I was outing my questions at him at times. You know,
I had one one person said, you said something to
the effect of, oh, he's not answering your question when
you ask it. I said, bro, he was not hearing
half the stuff I was asking him.

Speaker 9 (25:13):
I was trying art see him as a hulkxer though.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
No, I think, if anything, maybe there's some wishful thinking
going on. But it was very sincere. He made sure
he was talking about you know, they tried to be
with some money, and like he's like, I don't want
him money, I just want to prove, you know, what happened,
and He's a very earnest guy, and I really like
talking with them. He reminded me almost like my grandfather
in a way exactly it telling the stories like he

(25:39):
knew all these stories. And you know, I had both.
You know, I still have one grandfather, July, who was
there over ninety five years old, and he's the same
kind of way. You tell him about a certain topic
and he'll tell me all the World War Two stories
that he knows. So it's you know, it's it's nice
when people are, especially in that age, they still have
they just able to remember all this stuff. For oh,
let me show you my like find her with all the.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Encounter and it brings them joy to it is it was.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
It was.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
It was a really unvisial with him, and I enjoyed talking.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
I I I thought the star of the of the
movie or of the video though, was Frank's wife because
like when you hear Frank Frank.

Speaker 11 (26:21):
I love that and edits they weren't just such a
real down to her uh and and she was on camera,
but hearing her, uh, it was just so so neat.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
It was.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
It was the only thing note that that it was
hit me like a punch in the gut was when
he talked about the nurse and the nurse's brother having
this incredible, incredible game camera photo. And you know what,
we know people like this, Sean. Sean and I both

(26:56):
know people like this that they see something. This can't
be anything. I'm going to delete this, you know, rather
than hey, you know what, let you know that something
or they die. I know that happens.

Speaker 8 (27:12):
We had that.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
That We were trying to get the game cam photo
for years, right, and he's passed away and we were
never able to get it. And he was adamant that
there was something remarkable on there, and lord knows.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
We'll ever see it.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
I mean, to the point is, you know, we've moved
from the film age to the digital age, but how
many junk drawers or photograph packages or whatnot to people
have lying around that could have something in there that
we never know because you know who look, you know
who really goes back and looks at that stuff.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
It's a good woint.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
So I mean, it's it's to what we do.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
But the one thing I guess I wanted to say
to kind of put a cap on this before we
go to our quick break, is the video was broken
down at the beginning of the episode very well and
for folks that haven't seen before or have had an
opportunity to really dive into the back history of that
Vermont photograph, I think you guys did a great job

(28:09):
recapping that, going into it, adding some more you know,
exposition to it, and you got Steve there to talk
about it, and you know, you wrap it together nicely.
It's important that we go back and revisit these things.
And you know, alan you talk about people coming in
and you know, bit you to complaining because you know
they haven't paid attention and they don't listen.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
It's prevalent to the whole history of Bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Is that people if you would go back and actually
read a freaking book or go back and look at
some of these videos or old documentaries or even old podcasts,
a lot of these things have already been answered or
could be in those but you have to go back
and do.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
A little research. And so.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
It's you know, it's important that we go back and
we visit those things. You did a really good job
with the Vermont, with the Vermont footage, and I think
it was absolutely well done.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
It was well done. Yeah, Yeah, it's again I think
with Appalachian big fo files, and my goal was to
just you know, being from the Appalachian Mountains and myself.
I mean, I'm here in the northern part in New Hampshire.
Even though people get annoyed that I say Appalachians instead
of Apple Lachians. You know, that's another debate for another time.
I love all my Southern people like they're great. You know,

(29:24):
you take like North Alabama, North Georgia, compare that to
New Hampshire and Maine. We're like a world of art.
But it's still the same mountain chain and the stories.
If you look at areas where habitat exists on the
East coast, if these things do exist, the Appalation Mountains
would probably be the best location, and then you you
go up and down the mountain chain. My goal was
just to document some of these stories. Again, that Pennsylvania

(29:47):
episode is probably still one of my favorites. Suskin Screaming.
I mean, that story is just so classic, and I
didn't know a whole lot about it until I actually
went and did that research into last year and when
I met up with you Matt and took me in
all the locations and at that author Stanley wrote about it,
and that's what I love about it. Every episode you
can watch as a standalone, but while you watch them

(30:07):
all together, they kind of have a little bit more
of a history about certain areas in particular areas.

Speaker 8 (30:12):
So yeah, I love it, folks.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
We're going to cap it on that.

Speaker 8 (30:16):
We'll be back.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
We'll talk a little bit more with Alex Bettakoff right
after this. The big foot bullhorn coming at you. Smoke
him if you got them, shake a leg, whatever idea.
We'll see you back in about eight minutes. A little
long this week. You know, Vance gets a little windy.

Speaker 10 (30:37):
Is Madison a bigfoot believing community?

Speaker 9 (30:39):
You guys have vibes of people that might go out
there looking for him?

Speaker 10 (30:42):
Yeah, no, sir, my man, a little too south for that.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (30:47):
And where do you live here?

Speaker 8 (30:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (30:49):
Big so bigfoot people are aware north, so we're a
little too.

Speaker 9 (30:53):
South for that.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
And where's north of us?

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (30:56):
You don't have voice here? Oh shit, it's up north?

Speaker 8 (30:58):
And what's up north Woods? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (31:00):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, Well, now see, sometimes the obvious is not that obvious. Well,
happy day to you all. Thanks for listening, whatever you
choose to listen, But you can always watch the show
live on YouTube. Just look for Sasquatch Experience. Our logo
is a bigfoot foot print with Sasquatch Experience printed right

(31:25):
through the middle of it, and then click and subscribe
and you'll get notifications as to when we are going live. Anyway,
speaking of Michael Moore, I know we weren't speaking to
Michael Moore, but close here's an interesting story out of
the Smoky Mountains. I found it pretty fascinating. Give it
a listen.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Apparently bigfit is starting to come into people's houses in
Smoky Mountains and this story is circulating on TikTok and
one of my followers, actually you submitted, didn't shared it
with me, and you have to hear this one. This
happened between Gatlinburg and Cherkey, North Carolina, on a farm
that this family had recently purchased within the last few months.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
So this lady said.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
She first noticed in the barn area one day while
she was out in the barn the set of huge
footprints leading from the barn like back into the fore
with and vice versa. She had no explanation what these
things were. They were too big to be a human,
but she just thought a big bear. It had to

(32:28):
be a big bear. Fast forward a few days or weeks,
I'm not sure. One day, she and her daughter are
home alone and they're up in the attic just doing
some work. So as they're just doing some work upstairs
in the attic, they both hear very heavy footsteps enter
the house, too heavy to be a human, and she
immediately thinks this bear has gotten into her house. So

(32:51):
she instinctively tells her daughter just to be very quiet,
do not make a noise. You know, we're in a
bad spot here. If this bear, you know, comes up
to stay, we can be in bad trouble. So, as
the attic door is still open to the downstairs, they
both start kind of peeking around trying to see downstairs
because they can hear these footsteps. But to her surprise,

(33:15):
it isn't a bear that walks into view. It's a
ginormous bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
She said.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
This thing was covered in a reddish brown hair from
head to toe. It was built like a man, a
huge man. But it was a bigfoot. Now, if that
wasn't crazy enough, Just after this huge bigfoot stepped down
to their vision, filled of sight, she said, one that
was about four feet tall. The smaller one walked in also,

(33:44):
and at this point they are going into panic mode.
She's trying to tell her daughter just to be quiet.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
They don't want to draw.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Attention to themselves, and they both are witnessing these two
bigfoots walk through their house and they're just kind of
out and grunting, making noises walking around.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
After a few minutes, she said.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
The biggest one walked back toward the door like it
was going to exit. Then right behind the smaller one
come back, but it just happened to stop, like right
in their field of viauty. At this point, both she
and her daughter were looking down at this thing and
the little one stopped, and she was just terrified that

(34:29):
this thing was going to look up and see them
looking back. But she said it stood there for a
few moments, just looking around, but it never did like
make eye contact with them, and eventually it made its
way out of the house too. They waited about thirty
minutes or so. Then she and her daughter they just
made a run for it.

Speaker 9 (34:47):
They didn't hear.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
Any other noises. She grabbed her car keys, they run
to the car, and they got out of there. She
wasn't a believer in bigfoot at least not until this happened.
And the guy who I heard this from said that
she had took pictures. There was like muddy footprints on
the porch and she hadn't shared them with him yet.
But she supposedly does have pictures of that.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
See it's one of those stories where the witnesses actually
had a higher advantage looking down on a big foot,
not looking down in a bad way. I'd be shaken
in my shoes when we come back. It's sweet transvestate
from transsexual Transylvania weight. I read that wrong. It's a

(35:31):
camping adventure in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 11 (35:37):
You're listening to the big football horn right here on
the Sasquatch experience.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
As anybody ever told you. Hey, nice knockers. If not,
just visit got knockers dot org read about the encounter
that kicked this whole thing off. Plus you can purchase one, two, three,
or more tree Knockers. I'm not sure what you thought
we were talking about. Gott Knockers has a plethora of

(36:13):
gifts and merchandise two from awesome apparel, ware, and even
something for the baby. Find jewelry and sausage to please
anyone's taste. Bud stop on buy and give a hello
to Gwendolyn and Michael herself. Now that you know where
to get some great knockers. They make fun gifts or

(36:34):
accessories for the squatch bag. Just visit Godknockers dot org
again got knockers dot org. Now I've been watching some

(37:02):
of you and you haven't marked it down on your
calendar yet for August twenty second and twenty third of
this year for the PA Bigfoot Camping Adventure at Benner's
Metal Run RV Campground in Farmington, Pennsylvania. Of course, there's
going to be so many activities and vendors and food
and etcetera at et cetera, and wonderful speakers like Lyle Blackburn,

(37:25):
Stan Gordon, Steve Coules, Ron Moorhead, doctor Jeff Meldrum, Sean Forker,
Mann Arner and so many more. Just go to PA
Bigfoot Campingadventure dot com. Thanks again for listening to this
edition of the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here on Anomalous Entertainment's

(37:46):
Sasquatch Experience, And as always I'm there we meet again.

Speaker 8 (37:51):
Keep your toe in the mind.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
I knew I had to pay attention to these bullhorns
a lot closer. Matt, what are you Assi sixteen? I mean,
we got to get this figured out. That's not the
good we signed up for there in Pennsylvania. But you
know what, no hate here.

Speaker 8 (38:09):
We wrought of fun folks.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
You're listening to the Sasquatch Experience, Sean Walker, Matt Arner,
Henry Maid, James Baker, who just jumped off Vance Nesbit.
In our guest tonight, Alex Pettikov having a great conversation
with Alex Knight about the Appalachian Bigfoot Files.

Speaker 8 (38:24):
And other you know events.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
One thing we did I did want to mention here
and Brian from Brian and Chewey Go Hiking that posted
it out about how the Northeast is underrated as far
as squatch in the mountain rages and on forest and go.
And we talked about that for years about how like
there's that disproportionate representation of the Pacific Northwest and it's

(38:48):
because I believe, aside from Paul Bartholomew and some others
from that early Paul maybe Stan Gordon from that early
part of the sixties and on, nobody was investigating it
here like they were out there.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
Alex what do you think about that.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
I agree, I think it's you know, you look at
the states that kind of broke the mold for the
kind of west coasts. The only place you know there
used to be people. Peter burn I think he said,
you know, there's no evidence that there would be anything
east of the Rockies basically, but you had legend of
Balggie Creek down in the South that kind of broke
the idea that maybe these things are actually east of

(39:23):
the Mississippi. You had Ohio one of those states I
think was always kind of ahead of the curve, Pennsylvania
kind of behind Ohio. Pennsylvania has been pretty known for
a while, whereas like you know, up here in New England,
very underrated. Yet we have, you know, some of the
earliest and some of the most classic Bigfoot stories out there.

(39:43):
I mean there's you know, as my buddy Jonathan Wilke
will tell you, there was a story from the late
seventeen hundreds in western Massachusetts of constables running into this
kind of sleeping ape creature. At that point, it wasn't
even the United States, it was still British column So
you know, that may have been one of the earliest
documented sightings. There's just a long history here in New England,

(40:05):
really classic sightings up here in the northern part of
the Appalachians, and you go Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine,
the northern tier of New England, and even you know,
western Massachusetts to an extent where the Appalations run through,
which is some of the most rugged parts of the
whole mountain range. Up here in New Hampshire, I mean,
we have these mountains that are just I mean massive
and not maybe compared to some of the Western Mountains

(40:27):
but now Washington over six thousand feet and had some
of the worst weather on Earth. I mean, these these
very rugged areas. And what's interesting is these habitats support
a larger animals than any other part of the Appalachian Mountains. So,
you know, may in New Hampshire there's anywhere anywhere between
from the estimates, I've seen fifty to seventy thousand Eastern

(40:48):
moose residing in these you know, few million acres that
we have, which is the most amount of moose anywhere
in the US outside of Alaska, just to put into
please bank. And moose are giant animals, I mean, I
am sure, and I have moose on my property here.
They are these giant, you know, five hundred to one
thousand pound animals at least around here. They can get
bigger than that. They primarily spend their time eating there.

(41:11):
It's a lot of biomass. So that's just moose. I mean,
we have tons of black bear mains, got upwards of
thirty thousand black bear. You know, we have being so
close to Maine. Because the thing with Maine, you got
to realize Fifking Northern Maine is it's the northern sections
are millions of acres of undeveloped land that's actually considered
to be the most remote place anywhere east of the

(41:33):
Rocky Mountains, in like a contiguous area because nobody lives there.
It's considered actually a wilderness area. But the difference is
as opposed to say the Adirondacks, which is six million acres,
or know, we were talking about mononga Halo National Forest.
Some of these areas New Hampshire, like a fourth of
our state is the White Mountain National Forest. Northern Maine

(41:54):
is all owned by logging companies. It's all privately owned.
It's not a state or national park or forest. So
there isn't really much access. People can get access, but
you have to pay, and it's it's it's a lot
un it's it's untapped. But there's moose everywhere. So the
amount of biomass needed to feed that many moose, that
many bear, and then I mean even more you're as

(42:15):
you go on down, but I'm talking just the largest
animal I always look at. Moose is kind of an
interesting biological or interesting bio kind of metric terms of
the habitat. If this place can support tens of thousands
of moose, you throw a dozen sasquatch into the mix,
is that impossible biologically speaking in terms of food and resources?

(42:36):
I mean I would say no, but that's so yeah.
I think these areas especially there's a very low population.
New Hampshire is just over a million people, same as Maine.
Vermonts like six hundred thousand. So there's there's like southern
New England, which is Connecticut, Rhode Island in Massachusetts has
more people.

Speaker 13 (42:56):
State than the whole of more than mine in this
territories were at it. And then the Order of Canada
the Province back, which is an untold makers that go
up in the Arctic that you know.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
There's just so much. There's it's a ridiculous amount of space. So,
you know, these areas while Newhamster state like Newhamshire Mott
might be small and we still have very rugged areas,
and the sightings I think reflect that way because they
do happen in some of these rural areas, and most
of the state is rural mains. The most forested state

(43:29):
in the US by percentage, New Hampshire's number two, West
Virginia's number three, Vermont's number four. You know, so like
there's they're they're all kind of up there, and once
you visit these areas, you realize why I think a
lot of people will get this idea that New England
is all it's Boston, it's urban. It's both it's Jaws
or it's you know, Stephen King, it's it's all suburban.

(43:52):
But that's you know, select few areas. You know, once
you get out into the countryside, like where I live too,
I mean, there's just not a lot out here. There's
a lot of wood, a lot of people living in
these areas, and yeah, so I think they're definitely underrated.
Like there's so many again, I can't even begin to
tell you all the amazing stories that have come out
of these areas. You know, we talked about obviously the
Vermont case and that Whitehall I would say is like

(44:14):
the East coast Bigfoot capital or east of the Northeast,
just in terms of this region. But you know, again,
Vermont has a long history from north to south. And
I'm working on a video about the Bennington Triangle, but
I'm also assuming to be looking on a video about
the Ossipe tribe in New Hampshire, which is this circular
volcanic mountain range mini mountain range that has a long

(44:36):
history of interesting sightings, including one of the weirdest big
Foot sightings I've ever heard, which was this creature seen
in this stacked stone hut with like a hemlock branch roof.
It was very interesting. I interviewed the sighting almost ten
years ago. But that area has a long history of sightings,
and yeah, they're there. I think, you know, these things
are moving through these areas. You don't need to have

(44:58):
a lot of them. There's enough habitat here to support
you know, a good amount. Again, I'm not I'm not
saying there's like thousands of these things running around, but
you know, there's thousands of moose and bear throwing a
few dozen sasquatch. And I think that's that's not.

Speaker 9 (45:14):
Implausible, it's very plausible, right, Very good.

Speaker 8 (45:19):
Yeah, absolutely correct.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
There was a question here from our friend Mike Mike
wants Stone. Alex, Well, that was not the one question
I wanted to ask, but we'll ask that one right now.
Had you had any recent reports of mountain lions, uh
sightings in the Northeast.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah, recently somebody was telling me about one near the
Quabbin Reservoir in Massachusetts. I can't remember who I was
talking to, but uh, there's there's always stories of mountain lions,
and you know, I did a whole documentary on Lines
of the East about the mystery big cat Sitans, and
you know, there's there's documented DNA verified cases where mountain

(45:55):
lions have been discovered in an area and then stay
have kind of downplayed that significance. I think it's a
government money issue because they don't want to deal with
another predator. But that's that's another story for another day.
But yeah, so there there definitely have been some. So
it's a yeah, it's one of those things because I
I you know, I go to some of these events

(46:16):
and people would tell me, well, I haven't seen a
big foot, but did see a mountain lion. And I
started getting a lot of these stories. And that's what
kind of was the impetus for giving a whole documentary
about like the mystery big cat topics specifically.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Well, you know, my old physician was a member of
the Eastern Puma Research Network.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
We used to spend a short.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Amount of time in my uh doctor visits talking about
bigfoot and mountain lion or what other big cats were seeing.
It's always interesting to me that, you know, again the
denial from some of the agencies that you know, just
refused to acknowledge that these things are in our in
our forests, and you know that pose an actual, real danger.
We could say we want about sasquatch, you know, and

(46:56):
and there's a lot left to put on the table,
but we do know that big cats could you know,
potentially be a real present danger for folks, and if
they are here, that's a public safety to acknowledge that
that shouldn't be brushed into the rug. That should be Hey,
let's post them, let's put some wags up there, and
let's just make sure folks are being safe. You know,

(47:17):
it's no different than bears. We acknowledge bears exist, but
probably more likely to be attacked by an outline than
you would be a bear though, I mean, I I
don't know, it's just like you said, knowledge well around.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Here, statistically, I think moose and in general, yeah, moose
dangerous and alasta they are statistically the most dangerous because
I think there's the most amount of moose human interactions
and moose, Like when I'm out here in the woods,
I don't care about black bear nine times. I mean,
I was getting the mail the other day and I
had to run in with a black bear. You know,
that's how many we have up here. But if it

(47:49):
was a moose, I probably would have reacted a little
differently because I had no bear spray, you know, firing
nothing on me, just getting the mail. But a moose, yeah,
they're unfortunately, you know, they're they're beautiful MAJORI animals, but
they are not very intelligent, and they especially certain times
a year, the males can be provoked and like snowmobilers,
get attack, but they're they're still pretty rare. I mean,

(48:10):
but you know, you like ask ask Brian in the
chat there my buddy Brian Carvey. You know what it's
like running into a moose and you're hiking in the
middle of nowhere, as he's had happen to him. It's
not a fun experience. And then you're also decides Nope,
I'm not messing with this guy. I mean, just there's
cheers size of these things. I've been with people up here.
We've been driving back roads and all of a sudden,
a moose runs out in front of the road, and

(48:31):
you know, people that have never seen a moose before,
and there's like, oh my god, that's a moose. I'm like, yeah,
you see what I'm talking about. Now, this is no joke.
They big, they've been They're scary. Yet it's like when
you and when you hit them, it's like I've heard
people describe you're hitting just a giant, seven hundred pound
meat sack on possicle stage and it's a windshield, right,
so kill you. It's not about rush into a tree.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Well you know where Alec or Alex Well, Alex and
I spent a lot of time. Matt and I's been
a decent ment of time. We have ELK. Yeah, the
movies about probably still a little bigger than the elk.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
And I mean I've run into elk. I mean we
saw something. We were out there with you guys last
spring too. But I've run into elk in Colorado and
like northern California, and they can be pretty intimidating, even
in the Smokies. Yeah, they're they're not to be trifled
with it. I was watching tourists in Rocky Mountain National
Park walking up to you know, bull elks sitting there

(49:27):
in the field, and I'm like, like one of those
Dumus videos, you know, like you see in these national parks.
So people have lost all naturally instinct and fear, I guess.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
But I did find the question from from Mike that
was it was around what conditions bother you the most?

Speaker 8 (49:47):
Rain or bugs?

Speaker 4 (49:50):
I think he's asked on purpose. He knows the struggles
that we've been through. You know what bothers me the most?
Probably I would say rain. At this point I got
a caveat. I'd say rain is probably the most annoying
because it's it can often be a buzzkill. Like we've
had outings we planned with Mike and other guys up

(50:12):
here in the Northeast, and you know, this weekend is
gonna be great, and then that whole weekend is torrential downpour,
so we either have to cancel plans. Well, Brian and
I have said the embrace the suck where you just
but then as you just sit there, you're soaking wet
after just having cooked the giant pancake and a skillet,
and all of a sudden, the skies have opened up
on you and you are soaked head to toe and

(50:33):
you just sit there kind of wallowing in your misery,
eating this soggy pancake out of the pan, and there's
nothing you can do in that moment. So I'd say
rain maybe edges out bugs. I can deal with bugs
after having into Alaska and Larry Beans Baxter can attest it.
And when we went out to the middle of nowhere,
like three hours outside of Fairbanks, it was hell on earth. Yeah,

(50:57):
I mean they're you know, the state burd in Alaska.
They just are lenting like swellow myat in my face
despite wearing a net all weekend. So after dealing with
those bugs, bugs else, we don't really bother me. But
the rain I think edges out in terms of being
the worst. So but sometimes rain can be great, you know,
but other times it's just plain annoying. When it rains

(51:18):
every day on like a week long trip.

Speaker 8 (51:20):
Hey, we get that one.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Matt and I just had to cancel some adventures because
of some rain ourselves.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
Scott.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Question from Scott Alex at your night to cook dinner
at the camp out, what's the meal you're making?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Love that question, that's a good one. I don't know.
I mean, I feel like a lot of times it
just depends. I let Brian do the cooking because he's
he's a very skilled camp chef. But if it's me,
my cat just ran off, I think just maybe just burgers.
I mean, I'd like to keep it simple. I think

(51:54):
Burger likes a nice skill it camp burger, you know.
I think that's just a good cl you know. I'd
like doing breakfast too, like somebody will do like a
breakfast for dinner. That works too. But actually, I got
this one meal that I make that I've only done
a camping a few times. It's more of like a
post workout meal. But it's this spicy Korean beef dish.

Speaker 8 (52:15):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
The only thing is you got out of like pre
made rice. It's hard cooking rice. In the woods, like
a spicy Korean bulgogie style dish that we made on
a camping out and once it was really good, especially
in the cold weather, like really warms you up. But
I'd say burgers the nice a nice camp burger. You
cannot go wrong.

Speaker 9 (52:33):
Oh great, now I'm hungry, all right.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
You know when you're with Matt and I, Matt and
I don't do a lot of cooking and camp. We
will drive miles to restaurants, all right, we will because
we uh, well, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Like a lot of times, like like Mike Lucci, I
and Brian, like we seek out fun places to eat,
like on our way when we're driving out, like that
mythical pizza place. Oh, this local place is known for
their wings. Let's get that. Like you got indulged a
little bit. But you know, you're out in the back
country a lot of times, like if it's a backpacking
tribu eating those you know, mountainhouse meals, the freeze driede stuff,

(53:08):
those can get pretty rough. They're really Like I remember
ten years ago, there was very few options. Now, I
mean I can get like Korean beef freeze dry, like
there's some really good options nowadays more companies getting into it.
But car camping is the best because we just we
can load up and bring all this stuff and then
have everything we need. So we we we pretty extravagant.
You might have seen in some of our videos. You

(53:29):
know we're having like deer meat that that Mike Lucci
had caught, and you know we were doing that like
tacos and yeah, we we definitely like to like to
feast pretty good and some of these matures. He's not wrong,
but just trying to get ten miles into the back
country and all you have is those freeze read meals.
So you've got to do what you gotta do. But

(53:49):
if you got the chance, you know, make something nice.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
Henry, we can kind of you done. In the bottom corner.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
What questions you got for Alex here, buddy, Well, I
was wondering about the state of Maine.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
I know you've been there a few times.

Speaker 10 (54:09):
As far as how would the mountainous areas in the
state of Maine compared to West Virginia compared to the
Pacific Northwest, I'd.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Say more rugged than West Virginia. Now, West Virginia has
some amazing rugged places that the hills and the haulers
and they have you know, as I've heard Joe Purdue
over wild and Weird West Virginia has described it a
few years ago in a video. It's like a crumpled
you know, crumpled carpet. You crumple it up and you
have all these contours. That's kind of like the whole
state of West Virginia. Fun fact, West Virginia is the

(54:40):
only state that is both fully in the Appalachian Mountains
and culturally in the socio cultural region known as Appalachia,
So it's it's in both. But Maine has a little
bit more rugged mountains. So Maine has Alcatatin, which if
you look at picture as you could, you would think
it's a mountain maybe out west it's it's only about
five thou five thousand something feet, but it's the terminus

(55:01):
of the Appalation Trail. So the hikers that go up there,
they end on Mount Katada and New Hampshire I think
is overall the most rugged in this area, and a
lot of people say it's the most rugged part of
the entire appellation.

Speaker 9 (55:14):
Washington, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Mount Washington. You know there's some places that really will
like I've run into people out in the White Mountains
that are from the west coast, and they're very shocked
to see because they joke around that we don't have
mountains on these coast. We just have hills and like
most of the appellations I would say are kind of
like even compared to our mountains are are you know,
hills and some contours, but it gets pretty rugged. But

(55:36):
I would say the Pacific Northwest still obviously some of
those you know, the Cascade Range and the Olympics, they
edge out the mountains out here. But as Cliff Barrickman
has told them multiple times, he has felt that when
he visited New Hampshire in some parts of main and
that it was like a many It was a Pacific
Northwest on three quarters scale as he described. I was

(55:56):
just talking Renee recently. She said she'd always been very
so that how rugged it was up here when they visited.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
And you know what, our mountains aren't trying to kill
us every so often.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Yeah, yeah, so it's again, it's uh, I've hiked all
the mountains in New Hampshire that are over four thousand
feet tall. There's about forty eight of them. So is
Brian there and you see some of them. I mean,
you can take a picture of it and it looks
like you're in the Pacific Northwest with the pines. We
have a lot more pines, and then we do deciduous
especially in the higher elevations up here, when you get
alpine zones that start over four thousand feet, So you

(56:32):
can be hiking for two thousand feet in an alpine
zone and you're totally exposed. Whereas down south in that
say the Smokey's or North Carolina, they have some mountains
that are over six thousand feet, but you're up on
Mountain Mitchell, and you know, you still have a completely
you know, a summit that's enclosed by you can't see it.
So it's definitely a little different.

Speaker 8 (56:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
Well, you know, elevation, as Matt and I are starting
to learn, I think, plays an element in this game.
And you know, we were told by a gentleman we
were doing a little presentation, you know that over a
certain elevation we would notice an absent of animals. And
sure enough, we hit that elevation and there was an

(57:16):
absence of animals. And I think it was just by
happenstance that guy came into our presentation and shared that
detail with us, And it's something we've heard over the years,
but I've never seen anything to it. But Matt and
I were able to in the moment go, holy shit,
this guy wasn't pulling a leg, he wasn't bullshitting us.
And you go down to that elevation and into a

(57:38):
field there's like all the deer and elk and everything. Fine,
but you go above that there was nothing and why
and that was a pretty interesting notation. I think Matt
and I wouldn't try that a little bit more and
would love to see that in other areas and see
how that would correspond any of your notes or anything
Alex in that respect, Like.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
I just want to drew us. One comment there from
Brian says few deaths this year in Mount Washington just
last week. Yeah, this is crazy. I mean Mount Washington
has killed hundreds of people over pat you know, one hundred,
tw hundred years, and just just a few weeks ago,
a guy or last week, a guy was hiking at
the top of the mountain, which is there's a visitor center,
there's a train that goes up to the mountains, kind

(58:21):
of like a pike. Right, Yeah, you've got a cog
train that goes up there. This guy, he was at
the visitor center and he wandered off and got lost
in an area. When then we're talking, the top of
this mountain is exposed. I mean there's no trees.

Speaker 9 (58:35):
For thousands, Yeah, wildly.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
And he got lost and was found days later dead.
I mean that's just how in crazy the mountain they're crazy,
the weather conditions, everything, so it's not to be underestimated. Again,
I did.

Speaker 10 (58:49):
Climb to the summit of Mount Washington and it did
not take the cog. My cousin and myself we did
climb to the summit of Mount Washington and it was
crazy as the culture. You get to the summit, there's
no vegetation there once none.

Speaker 9 (59:09):
Yeah, a lot of people again.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Get surprised that kind of stuff exists on the East
Coast and you know again Katada and has places like that.
But to your point, Sean about the wildlife, yeah, I mean, uh,
I mean I know here like moose will even go
to the top of some of these mountains. It's very
uh oh yeah, that was Brian had told me about
that they had scared these you know, the most thing
of saying is or the most well known one is

(59:33):
about you know, the mountains. The mountains will be there
another day, who might not be. So I've had I
had a few where we've had to pull the plug
and say, guys, it's way too cold, it's getting unsafe.
We got a head back and we've had to we've
had to stop me. And we had a situation this
past winter with Brian and Mike Lucci and we were
trying to get to this cabin on top of this mountain,

(59:53):
and you know, we were tugging through snow and it
got to the point where we just said we got
to call it. You're not it's not worth the risk point, right, Yeah,
they're no joke. But the animals they deal with it again.
You know, in the dead of winter, you're looking around
you like, why would anyone anything you want to live here?
And you realize there's thousands of moose around you. You know,
not in the immediate vicinity, but you know within the

(01:00:14):
area you're in or the national forest, so you know,
certain elevations up here, you know, you do still get
some of these, like bears and moose will sometimes wander
up past the alpine zone and they'll be really famous
pictures of like a bull moose up on the top
of the mountain unobstructed view. But for the most part
around here, I believe the animals stay mostly in the valleys,

(01:00:36):
but they do move up the mountains, and a lot
of these mountains they do, you know, the smaller ones
they do have treed summits, so it's you know, a
lot of plenty of vegetation. I mean, there's you know,
mountains in Vermont. I've been up to three four thousand
feet that you'll just see moose scant all the way
going up the mountain and they're using the human trail
and the roads to go up. So they're moving up
there for whatever reason, you know, following food or or

(01:00:59):
or certain types of plants. You know, if you're for
the most you're eating a lot, so you're always on
what to eat. So that's that's there. That's basically all
they do.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
Well, guys, we hit that time at ten o'clock.

Speaker 8 (01:01:13):
We're out of time for tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Alex would love to get you back again at some point, buddy,
what's next. What do you got going on?

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Oh, there's a lot going on. I'll just put a
few in here, you know, obviously, you know I do
a bunch of different series, A small Town Monsters, Be
on the Trail. I'm gonna be filming some very exciting
stuff for that soon. You know, certain places, I'll throw
some teasers out there, you know, maybe certain states that
are disconnected from the rest of the US. You know,

(01:01:42):
well we'll put it that way. Uh, we give that
one away. A little bit strange places. A series that
focuses more on not just big Foot stuff, but their
cryptid and paranormal stuff. A few episodes about that. I
mentioned Bennington Triangle, awsofy Triangle, really weird Bigfoot stories. And
then more appilation KFA Files, which will continue to cover

(01:02:03):
parts of the North in other areas. But we have
an exciting episode of Ape Canyon. The Journey to Ape
Canyon with on the Trail will be coming at some
point in the next few months. I don't know when. Sorry,
I can't give me specifics, but oh, that's okay. STM
has got a lot of Abe Canyon stuff we're working on,
and this is going to be a really fun one

(01:02:23):
because it's going to be a very unique look at
the location where Ape Canyon is. And you know, we
went on a great adventure there last year.

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
So right, well, thank you Alex.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
Folks, we want to thank you for winning in it
being a great audience tonight. Of course, listen to the
Sasquatch Experience. He's Van Sniz, but I'm Sean Forger. That's
Henry may Matt at the bottom. James Baker had to
leave us, and we hope he's okay.

Speaker 8 (01:02:47):
Alex.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Once again, thank you, Henry take us out with those
dulcet tones. Well as all. I want to thank Alex
for coming on and I it was a great interview
and you all be good or be good at it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
There it is, folks, we'll see you in two weeks.

Speaker 12 (01:03:10):
You've been listening to Sasquatch Experience, Please rate interview where
this podcast has been consumed. To share your experience, visit
us on Facebook, our website, or email us info at
Sasquatchexperience dot com. Keep on squatching.