MCU Revisited: Iron Man (2008)

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You're listening to Screen Heroes. Helloeveryone, and welcome to the Screen Heroes
Podcast, Episode two hundred and fifty. I'm your host, Eric, and
I have my other two hosts withme, Ryan Well and Ray Hey.

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Hey, hey, happy two hundredand fifty episodes, guys. Yeah,
happy two hundred fifty episodes. It'sso exciting. I'm excited. It's a
big milestone. Did you ever thinkwe would do two hundred and fifty of
these? No? I didn't thinkI'd be alive this long. Jeez,
I did I know that we'll bepodcasting until we die? Ooh, okay

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together. You know it'll happen together. We're all gonna die together. Well,
to Ryan's point, he may haveagreed. He just thought that that
would have happened already. Yeah,exactly. I don't think we're arguing on
that. It's what we're saying,the same thing. Yeah, the timetable
is just a little off, that'sright. Yeah, Well I was.
I mean, I was more optimisticin that we would be alive at this

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point, but it would have mademe rich by now, honestly, sure,
sure, yeah, yeah, we'reyeah. Well, anyway, we
are celebrating our two hundred and fiftiethepisodes. I just want to thank everybody
who has ever listened to our show. Even if this is your first episode,
Hi welcome. If this is yourtwo hundred and fiftieth episode, thank
you. That's amazing. And Idon't know who you are, but you

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should talk to us. And withthis in mind, with this milestone,
we have decided to kick off anew monthly segment called MCU Revisited. We're
gonna go all the way back tothe very beginning of the MCU and discuss,
review and analyze the first two phasesof the MCU that released prior to

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our starting the first show. Thefirst movie we were able to review kind
of in real time with Civil WarCaptain America's Civil War. So we're going
to be going through the first twophases and we'll see how things go at
that point. But we're looking ateverything from a post Infinity Saga lens,
right, so you know, we'reanything is kind of up for grabs,

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things that come up later and maybemean more now than they did originally,
all that kind of good stuff.So we'll give a spoiler warning before we
dive in, in case anyone hasn'tseen the later films, you know,
Infinity War, Endgame, that kindof thing that may pop up in our
conversations if you haven't seen two thousandand eights iron Man. I mean,
I guess same difference before we kickedthat stuff off. Though. There was

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a little bit of Marvel news thisweek that I thought might just be worth
discussing a little bit. They releaseda bunch of or confirmed a bunch of
release dates for Phase four, aswell as a couple of new titles for
movies. So today we're recording thison May four, twenty twenty one,
Every Star Wars Day. Everyone,Yeah, thank you Ryan. May the

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Fourth be with you? Yeah,May the fourth be with you as well.
We lift up our sabers. Wegot sound effects, now, that's
right, let's fancy. So thisepisode will release on May fifth, and
so from May fifth, twenty twentyone, to May fifth, twenty twenty

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three, there will be planned tenMCU films to release in theaters, which
is pretty crazy. That's I thinkthe largest volume in a two year span
the MCU has done so far.They also have you know, four four
more TV shows that have yet todebut that are already like filming or produced

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or done, and then like threemore after that that are just in the
early process. So we're gonna geta lot out of MCU content here.
And you know, they announced CaptainAmerica four, but it doesn't have a
release date yet, so we knowthat that's coming down the pipe, maybe
before or after a season two ofwhatever they call the next season of Sam

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and Bucky Adventures. But two filmsgot new titles, and that's Black Panther
two and Captain Marvel two are nowcalled Black Panther Waconda Forever and the Marvels.
To either of you have any feelingsabout either of those titles, I
think they are very apropos. I, like we were discussing last night,

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it is a sign that more oftheir movies are becoming team out films.
We're not going to see a tonof just one person in this movie getting
all of the story, you know, and as the MCU grow and grows,
that makes sense. Yeah, Imean, I don't have really strong

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feelings about AM. I think it'sinteresting that this Marvel is probably gonna be
in the Marvel's movie, and youknow, that's that's cool, though I
wasn't really necessarily expecting that I'll bea little disappointed now if Rogue doesn't show
up too. But um yeah,I honestly don't think we're gonna get any

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real mutant content until Phase five atthis point. But um that little Fantastic
fourties at the end, it's likeeverybody's freaking out over It's like it's literally
just a number. He announced Fantasticfour already that they were he has already.
That was like the twenty three lastyear or something. It's this thing
about it, that's the thing.Like, none of the stuff they showed,

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asides the eternals clip and the namesfor Black Panther and Captain Marvel too
are new. Everything else has beenshown before. So it was just a
nice little update of Hey, sorrythe pandemic float everything down here. Have

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a sweet little hug from Marble,and you know what, I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed my Marble hug. Andthat's all I really needed to push
me until Loki. That's gonna tideyou over for five weeks or six weeks
or hover longing. This we've got. I don't like. I don't like
a lot of hugs. I'm fine. I can actually say, yeah,
that's accurate. I mean, asRachel's friend, I know it's true.

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Yeah, I thought it was justa cute little way to end it,
you know, Phase four, theFantastic Four. I mean, maybe that'll
be the finale of Phase four.We'll be introducing the Fantastic Four in somebody
else's film, some type of biggerteam up film that they're not calling Avengers
because Phase four doesn't have an Avengersmovie, you know, but maybe that

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it's entitled. You know, I'mthe only one not that excited to see
the Fantastic for yet again. Oh, I don't think I could care less
about those characters. And that's thebig Marvel thing that they have to do.
Is the first movie that was putout by Fox was campy and a

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little silly and little fun in someareas, and then the sequel was pretty
bad with all exception with the exceptionof the Silver Server. And then there's
been nothing good said about the JoshTrank movie. So you know, Marvel

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has to make us care for thesecharacters again, and that's going to be
the big deal. That's their thing. I don't believe that Marvel will struggle
writing a good story, like it'llbe an inner chanting movie, because I
have yet to see a Marvel moviethat wasn't at least a little entertaining.
I have an issue or like,I think they're gonna struggle with making me

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give a shit. Yeah, becauseI think one of the things the MCU
has done for me is that thecharacters I've cared the most about, with
the exception of Captain America with SteveRogers, Captain America with the exception of
him, are kind of characters Ididn't really know anything about, you know,
Like I was introduced to the mostof these characters in the MCU films,

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with the exception of Hulk. Iguess I knew Hulk prior to the
MCU. But I'm not a bigMarvel Comics guy. I know the X
Men to a better extent than whatwe had what we've had so far in
the MCU. But I think Icare about those movies, the X Men
movies because of the cast. Ireally love the cast of the X Men
movies, and so for the FantasticFour. I mean, if they cast

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the right people, then yeah,I'll be excited because I get excited about
actors. But does characters or theydon't really mean anything to me right,
Yeah, they do for a lotof people though, So I mean I
get that, but yeah, Ijust I can't get into the hype for
that, especially not with literally justthe number of flashing on screen that we've
already seen something like that before.So for them, well, and this

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will be the third iteration of FantasticFour. Now we're on our third iteration
of Spider Man as well. Soyou know, at something which you are
equally as excited for before it cameout right exactly and now Tom Hollands wonderful.
It's nothing against him, and youknow, Jake Jillenhall like totally like
was fantastic and Far from Home andso I'm excited now for No Way Home.

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But that's you know, because ofthe cast and the production crew around
it. It's I don't know thatI care about the character anymore than I
did. I just really like whatthey're doing. I think I care about
Tom Hollands Peter Parker, like,I am really concerned about where they go
with him being outed as you know, a murderer at this point, but

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it has not made me, youknow, start reading Spider Man comics again.
I'm more like I'm more on derkside on this one. Like I
only care about the next one becauseI get to maybe see dared evil Charlie
Cox again, or I get tosee you know, she Holt because apparently
they're the only two lawyers in theentire world. And Foggy. Yeah I'm

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in Foggy, I guess, butuh, you know, or like seeing
Toby Maguire again or Andrew Garfield again, like those that's similar reasons I'm excited
alf from Ulina, Yeah, exactly. The supporting cast is the main reason
why I'm excited for that movie,kind of like the Flash movie. I'm
not actually excited to see the Flashat all, if I just want to
see Keaton and everybody else come back. Yeah. Yeah, And like that

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was the thing with the last SpiderMan film. Is my favorite part of
Far from Home is Jake Gyllenhaal andhis character and mysteria and everything rushed.
But in the first one, itis the same story. Michael Keaton was
the best part of that movie,so wonderful. Yeah, And I'm totally
with you, Like that's what I'mI'm looking forward to the exact same things
in Spider Man three. So it'sa weird it's a weird place to be.

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And so for Fantastic Four, Imean, for me, it just
feels like it's taking the place ofsome other characters who have not had an
opportunity to shine, so we cantry a third time with the same set
of characters, and that's you know, it just feels like a bummer.
It's Marvel's first family, that's true. So I don't blame them. I

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get it. I get it.The problem with Fantastic four is Sony did
put out good Spider Man movies,whereas Fox didn't really put out good Fantastic
Four movies. That's true, that'strue. Yeah, there's never been a

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good Fantastic Four movie. There's thefirst one that Fox did was serviceable.
It was funny, it had acute story, but it wasn't anything impressive,
especially since Fox had also done TheX Men and Blade, which at
that time was incredible. Now,you know, looking through the retrospects lens,

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not so much. But it's interesting. It's interesting to bring up Blade
because we're supposed to be getting anotherBlade with mershela Ali and it's not on
the phase for Slate, at leastnot yet. I don't know if this
is the entire phase for Slate.But I'm kind of surprised that all of
these other films are coming out.Okay, So I think I know why

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in that kind of sizzle real announcementtrailer thing, they go over all the
movies. But they still are holdingtwo dates in between that first announcement and
last one. And I believe they'refor Blade in Deadpool three, And because

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things are still in pre production modeon both of those movies, I think
they don't want to even like puta trailer, like even the logo out
there just yet. Like we knowBlades guaranteed, and we know Fiji has
commented multiple times that Deadpool three ismoving forward. But because those are probably

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also going to be rated R,it might just be you know, straight
to Disney Plus releases or something likethat. Said, so, I don't
know. This is my personal theory, my personal speculation, but according to
their the dates that they have setaside for release says, there are two

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in there that don't correspond with anythingYeah in that trailer. Fair enough,
fair enough, But some of thesedates are pretty tight. I mean,
Black Panther, wacanor Forever basically hasto premiere like twelve months after it starts
filming. Yeah, which is that'sa pretty tight timeframe. And I mean

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the MCUs. I guess it's abit of a machine at this point,
so I assume that they know whatthey're doing. But yeah, that's tight.
They're shoddy CGI on the Rhinos andthe train fight lead me to believe
they need more time. Well,I don't know how much time the First
Black Panther had to be honest,for a comparison, I'm telling you right

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now, they need more time.Okay, there's never enough time. That's
that's true. That is definitely true. All right, Well, anything else
on the announcements before we switch overto Iron Man? Yes, yes,
So, according to a tweet onMay second, we have been pronouncing things

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incorrectly, and I just want torecant a few things because now we know
better. It is shung Chi,and for years I've been saying shang Chi,
and the actor playing him is notSeemulu, it's Simu Liu and he

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tweeted it, and I feel likeI'm a bit better for this because now
I'm saying things correctly. So Ijust wanted to get that out there.
Cool, all right, Well,then we're going to take a short break,
and when we come back, weare kicking off MCU Revisited with two

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thousand and eight Iron Man. We'llbe right back. Everybody, all right,
We're back. So spoiler warnings forthe entire MCU because I don't know
what point somebody may want to bringup while we discussed this movie. So
we're talking two thousand and eight,it's Iron Man MCU Revisited. We rewatched

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it this weekend, just you know, to kind of refresh. It had
been a little while, but thismovie is still it's still it might be
my favorite MCU film. Still.I'm not saying it's the best MCU film.
I just think it's my personal favorite, and I'm really impressed with how
well most of it holds up.There's a few moments where the CGI is
a little funky, but overall,I think this movie is a great beginning

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to the MCU and holds up betterthan some of the others. What do
you guys think? Yeah, Imean, I think this was the first
time I've watched the movie since probablytwenty eleven or twenty twelve, so it
was really weird going back and watchingand knowing everything that we know that happens
in the MCU after this. Butyeah, I think overall it was still

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a really enjoyable movie. It's funnyto look back at the things that they
thought they were setting up that weren'tlike ever gonna pan out. But yeah,
yeah it was. It was good, and like you said, it
solds up, so I was prettyimpressed. So the CGI was. There
was definitely some bad or bad orrough moments in there, but overall,

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you know, you get that withmovies when you go back and watch them
after, you know, fifteen yearsor however long it's been. It's been
almost to the day, thirteen years, thirteen years. Yeah. It was
released on May second, two thousandand eight ray What about You? Oh.
I absolutely adore this movie, andI feel like it has aged very

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well in multiple regards. I wasexpecting a lot of the CGI to look
even worse, and it didn't.So I was pleasantly surprised by the few
spots that I saw that didn't holdup, because I honestly was expecting to
see a ton And then on theflip side, you know, Robert Downey

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Junior is very obvious that he hada hold of this character from a very
beginning, he knew exactly what todo with him, and it was just
very joyful. I have had somemore you know, life experiences since then,
and some of the stuff hit mea little harder than it did when

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I first saw it, you know, like actually seeing him be tortured.
It wasn't just an entertainment plot device. It really sets him up to be
a very emotionally strong person later on, and when he is the one to
lay down his life so many times, it's it's impressive, like he's not

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as selfish as his rep gets him. That's fair. I kind of thought
about that too, because you know, in Marvel's Avengers, right at the
end of Phase one, Cap evenmakes that moment, it makes that comment
about how Tony's not the guy tomake the sacrifice play. But I actually
think, and I think this isgoing to be reinforced when we gets hired

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Man too as well. I don'tthink that that's ever true after he's been
captured. I think after he realizeswhat Stark Industries has done, I don't
think that's true of him from thatpoint forward. Maybe not, but you
can see why Cap would say that. I mean, it's he acts like
somebody who's not the guy to makethe sacrifice play, and then in the

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last moment does it, you know, probably from some sense that he deserves
this or like, you know,this is his one redemption moment, so
he gets those moments multiple times,whereas Cap doesn't really need any kind of
redemption until maybe Civil War, youknow, if anything. So, you
know, I understand why he saysthat, but yeah, it's you know,

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the viewers know that he's the typeto make that play, but you
know, the characters, I cansee why they wouldn't know that absolutely,
and that's totally within character as well. It makes a ton of sense for
Cap to say that line, ishe we have to assume that the characters

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don't necessarily know everything that happened atprior events because they weren't there. So
why would he assume that the TonyStark he just met a day ago is
the sacrificial kind of guy. Yeah, the guy that's like probably all over
the news about you know, beingself absorbed and all these other things.

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I mean, cappin like the firsttwenty minutes of his movie, we see
him dive on what he thinks isa live grenade, telling all his squad
mates to get back. So youknow, he's obviously the guy that would
make the sacrifice play. But yeah, yeah, yeah, that's definitely not
a question, right because you knowSteve, Steve was born that way.

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Yeah, always, right from dayone, he would do whatever it took.
Tony had to go through something verytraumatic to become that person. It
was an acquired taste, right,And that's a big difference. It's an
important distinction. You know, it'snot necessarily meant to diminish Tony as much
as it's meant to show off Steve. Yeah, reinforced that Kap is that

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guy. Right. There was onething, you know, fairly early on
that I wanted to make sure thatI touched on. So after he's captured
and he's you know, getting toknow Jinsen and they're they're talking about each
other and everything, and they're talkingabout their families and Tony you know,
shakes his head that he doesn't hedoesn't have any family. Jensen's got that

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line about you know, the manwho has everything and nothing, and you
know, that was a good linein the movie on its own, but
now after Endgame, that line's alot heavier to me because this is a
guy who he did. He hadeverything and nothing, and then he ends
up getting that piece. He getsPepper, and he gets a kid,
and he has that you know,nearly perfect family life that he that he

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voluntarily steps away from right for somethingbigger than him. I think that's a
really cool story arc that connects backto that line that only meant a little
bit in two thousand and eight.It was just a lot more powerful this
time around. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree. It's I didn't
really put that much thought into it. I thought when the movie came out

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that was a pretty powerful line initself. So but yeah, I mean,
knowing the arc that he's gone throughthat definitely adds a little more gravitas
to that line. Absolutely. Yep, you know, right to your point
earlier, Like Robert Downey Jr.Just knows this character from from out of
the gate, right because the moviekicks off and he's in the hum vy,
you know, and he's joking aroundwith the soldier. He's got what

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I'm assuming his scotch um, youknow, in his glass and everything and
um like that sets the tone forthis character. I don't feel like he
had to learn them at all,as Tony is incredibly consistent from from the
get go, and this is thisis true for a few other characters in
the MCU as well. But Iwas just really impressed with how he's He's

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still the same person in endgame.Right, He's grown, He's learned a
lot, he's more, he hasmore maturity, more life experience like back
on, but he has the samepersonality. Right, His character is improved,

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he's a better person, but he'snot different. It was kind of
painful watching him with Pepper in thismovie. Yeah, yeah, right,
because you know, you know whatshe ends up being and regardless of her
feelings like would have I'll throw inher life. Her character has a distinct
arc, even as a secondary character, and you know she's been for years

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watching him sleep with all these randomwomen, you know, and then she
marries him eventually, and uh,you know, has the were they married?
Maybe? I guess they weren't maybe, but they got married. At
the beginning of Infinity ar they makea comment somebody says like, oh,

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congratulations, and gotcha. Yeah,well, I mean at the very least
they have the kid. I mean, they relationship was definitely progressed. You
know, she's kind of taken overa lot of the stuff at Stark Industries,
and you know, they've so seeingher in this you know, taking
out the trash, which was agreat line. But oh it is a
fantastic line. Yeah, that wasdefinitely a little awkward watching that in this

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movie. It's even better when youknow that Leslie Bibb, actor who plays
Christine Everhart, is married to SamRockwell. Oh really, yeah, they
actually met on the set of IronMan two. Oh that's great. Didn't
know that. And fun fact,if you guys didn't know, Steve or

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Sam Rockwell was one of the actorswho tried out to be Tony Stark and
uh so it would have been evencuter if they would have met in the
first film. That is cute.Um. Yeah, it is interesting to
see Pepper grow because I mean StarkIndustry, she's the CEO after I forget

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when that happens in the middle ofthe second movie, he transfers things over
to her and Iron Man two.Is that's that early on? Yeah?
Okay, I thought it was alittle later. Yeah, so, I
mean, yeah, he believes he'sgoing to die from the Palladium poison,
so he basically goes through uh,the the stages of grief on his own,

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and he does very immature inappropriate thingsand he lets her take over right
right. So of course, likeanother character that is just very interesting to
me on a personal levels as well, is you know Obadiah Stain played by
Jeff Bridges, who's one of myfavorite actors, and it's still weird to

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me seeing him in this role becausehe almost always plays a protagonist in some
capacity, not a hero necessarily,but but he's usually the protagonist in his
movies and you know he's clearly notin this one. He's the main,
big bad, but he still isthe only person who can make riding a
segue look cool. And you saythat every time we watched the movie,

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because it's true. I'm not denyingit. I didn't think you looked that
cool already on the segway, Soit's the cigar. He was great.
I would never argue that, likehe's he can play basically anything, and
you know, I wouldn't play himin my favorite actors, but certainly he's

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a delight whenever he's on screen andwhatever he's doing, and uh, yeah,
this was no exception. He's stillone of the great villains of the
MCU, even though they killed himoff in the first movie. Like he's
so maniacal, manipulative and just likea perfect like shrewd businessman type role.
He is the best Lex luthor wehave pretty much, yeah, because you

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know, the the businessman villain alot of the time is just this giant
asshole, right, who's just youknow, waving their dick around the entire
time and everybody just because it's usuallyhow it's painted, it's nice. So
you're totally right, that's just nota normal Derek thing to say. It's
a Rachel thing to say, andI love it. I didn't know how
else to frame it. But he'snot love it, right, he is

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much smarter. He's much more youknow, toned it down and atiant and
you know, methodical about the wholething. And it just makes him so
much more interesting as a character.Right, He's still the fact that he
orders the hit out on Tony Starkand like he when he comes back,

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he's happy about it. He's like, all right, well, you know
plan B. I just take histech now, I was gonna just take
the company. Now I'll just takehit. Yeah. Then then you also
get the trope of like evil guymonologuing and leaving the guy the hero in
a trap and not assuring suring thathe's dead before he walks away type thing.

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You know. Um, so hedoes have his faults as a character.
Not nothing with draft bridges, butlike in terms of the way he
was written. Clearly, if you'rethat smart, you're gonna wait till the
guy dies in front of you beforeyou leave. See. I almost think
that he wanted to use the armor, and he was kind of hoping that

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he would find a way out ofthere. I think, like, if
he dies, he dies, butif he does him, then I get
to kill him with his big armor. We just felt, so that's cool
too. The final act definitely startsto show the issues with them writing the
script as they were filming, youknow, because there's some stuff that's just

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not quite making as much sense asthe characters were making earlier in the movie.
You know. I think this isdefinitely one of those things because even
if he waits for Tony to die, Tony's still dead with the hole in
his chest, and clearly a pieceis missing, so that leads that's a
big red flag that's going to leadto a big investigation or if he leaves

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like he did, then yeah,there's a chance that Tony comes after him.
And so like there's not like agood the plan's not really that good.
Yeah, you know what I mean. Like the neurological you know,
temporary paralysis device is an interesting pieceof technology and I appreciate it's never used
any MCU ever again, which isa damn shame because it is well definitely

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what affects things in infinity a war, you know, squid word would not
have been able to succeed. Sowell, yeah, any movie that Iron
Man was in, he basically wouldhave been he wouldn't be able to stop
the whole probably and uh you knowwhen the whole when in our Avengers too.
Yeah, he would have been ableto do all kinds of stuff,
but he just left that one littlebit of tech out. That's always a

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complaint. It's not lethful too,So it's like, you know, what's
his excuse, right, Yeah,no, one hundred percent with you.
And he could even have his helmetdesigned in such a way so he doesn't
need the earpieces exactly. You know, there's there's so many ways they could
have applied that he could have builtit into the repulsors in his hands in
some way, like there's so manythings they could have done. And that's
as a sci fi, techy kindof guy. That's always a pet peeve

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of mine when you're world building andyou just leave out giant things like that,
that are you like it's used twice, you know, it's not even
a throwaway item. It's used twovery key moments in the film. Yeah,
so I'm with you there. Though, his whole plan goes from being
incredibly intelligent to him just like wiringthe throw down basically because once he goes

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in the iron Monker suit, rightand you got shield coming with Pepper,
which I guess he knows is happeningsomehow, but he decides to fight them
all with it and then go outinto a into public into heavy traffic and
he's throwing cars like let's say hebeats Tony. Okay, what's the what's
the plan here? Yeah, eventuallythe military is gonna take him down and

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he's gonna get arrested anyway. Hedoesn't. You don't succeed once you're in
that big thing and you're threatening governmentagents lives, you're destroying public property and
harming civilians, Like, dude,you're done and you don't have enough control

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over this tech to get away withit. So if Tony ended up dying
during the fight, or you know, at least being incapacitated, it wasn't
going to go too much farther.So I wish they would have had a

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little bit more time of him kindof losing his shit, like maybe not
his mind, because he's just toosmart to have this kind of break him
down. But if they would havehad him just become less and less patient,
more outbursts like the Tony start builtthis in a cave, which is

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still one of my favorite lines toquote. You know, I just have
him go more from quiet and methodicalmegalomaniac to raise to make a lowmaniac.
It would have seen like a bettertransition if he becomes everything from like the

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long term, long con kind ofguy to well, short term, we're
making this work, and that doesn'tseem like him, So just a little
bit more story would have fixed that. Yeah, and there's a couple of
other things that are maybe these thesethings are a little nitpicky, but you

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know the fact that the Ironmonger suitcan perfectly connect to Tony's ARC reactor that
Tony built on his own and hisown private server, that there are no
plans or diagrams for that. Obadiis just somehow able to have his scientists
speck out the socket for yeah,it's got the same Yeah, it's got

(33:50):
the same plug, right, that'sin Tony's chest, you know, and
like even that device that he usesto remove it from Tony, Like where
did that come from? Yeah?Exactly, Yes, Like little things like
that, and you know, maybethat's nitpicky, I don't know, but
like I was saying about a littlebit more panic or force or something,

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like he he if he had rippedit out with his bare hands and like
risked it being ruined by that,then even that would help me kind of
understand how he gets to be sucha short sided kind of guy. I

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think it would have been that muchmore intensive a scene too, if he
had taken it out on his own, because the device always distracts me because
my brain's like where did he getthat? And I can't help it.
It's you know, and having himjust do it himself, that would have
been better, I think, Right, So I want to talk a little
bit about the setups that were inthe setups that weren't from this movie.

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Yeah, you know, obviously nowwe have we talked about at the beginning
of the show shuan Chi and thelegends of the Ten Rings or the whatever,
what is something cultithing like that.Um. And you know this movie
has the Ten Rings in it.Um. You know, the the symbols
and and all that stuff. Broughtseveral name drops. Um. And so

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that's finally paying off all away fromtwo thousand and eight. But on the
same hand, you've got that mainvillain guy that and that's like with a
big ring that he's like constantly feeling, and like the camera focuses on several
times and it's like, Okay,they're clearly setting this up to be one
of the Ten Rings, and thenit turns out, nope, we're not

(35:37):
doing the Ten Rings right now.We're gonna do Infinity Stones instead. So
that he's that's played by far Hanto Hear, whom I really only know
from this and the O nine StarTrek film, which he's wonderful and for
the short time that he's in it. He had a small part on Once
Upon a Time. He played CaptainNimoy Nimoy Captain Nemo twenty thousand length Under

(36:00):
the Sea Fame, and I fuckingcrushed it, Like that show is all
about hokey acting and it's like basicallysherry tale soap opera. But he was
easily the best part of his episodes. He's been in tons of stuff.
It just tends to be stuff thatI don't normally watch. So he's been
in a He's still in tons oftons of different things, so people probably

(36:22):
know him. But he supposedly wasunder the impression that he was gonna be
like the Mandarin, and then therewere they seemed to be setting that up
like he was definitely kind of Idon't know now looking back on it,
it seemed more like he was likea leader of one of the offshoots of

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the Ten Rings, and maybe notthe Mandarin himself, because that was a
really unorganized group for someone that wassupposed to be as sophisticated as the Mandarin
is. But um, maybe itwas gonna be a slow play. I
don't know, could be, yeah, but I mean I could see how
it looked like in two thousand andeight, that's what they were setting up,
and he was under that impression,mainly because he didn't. This is

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from what I understand. I'm notI'm not, you know, quoting him
here, but he didn't want toplay a terrorist. But the idea of
playing someone like the Mandarin, who'slike a legitimate super villain, right,
who's incredibly influential and powerful and hasthese big arcs that interested him. And
so he was pretty frustrated during allthe because the movie was constantly being written

(37:28):
and rewritten as they were going.It wasn't even done when they started filming
that by the time it was over, he was pretty unhappy with what his
role turned into. M I couldsee that. Yeah, well absolutely,
that makes a ton of sense.I mean that was the main one that
I had in mind. Did youguys have some other setups and things that
didn't pay off and that you've noticed, Um, I mean there's some little
things, you know, So there'ssome things that do that do payoff of

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course, that that are interesting.Um, you know, you've got Roadie,
right. So Terrence Howard plays Roadyin this movie, and he gets
replaced by Don Cheedle, and he'sgot his little moment where he's like,
you know, next time, baby, when he's looking at the mark two,
which incidentally, is still my favoritedesign of any of his suits.

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I'm just gonna throw that out there. That is my favorite suit. And
you know, while he does getit an Iron Man two, it's almost
immediately completely replaced and just kind offorgotten about because there's no like the war
Machine is a different suit, right, Definitely, I thought that was kind
of you know, looking back onit, like just how different the Mark
two looks from war Machine. It'sa little weird. It's like they just

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forgot what the suit was. Yeah, I actually liked Terrence Howard's Roady Too
absolutely stood out to me. Youknow a lot of people trash talk him,
and some with good reason. Imean, he was demanding more than
like what Robert Downey Jr. Wasgetting paid for his role for to be
in an Iron Man too, Sothat's a little crazy, but you know,

(38:58):
as just taking it on the meritsof what we see on the screen,
he was actually a pretty good roadie. And yeah, I'm a little
sad that. I mean, donCheatle's great, don't get me wrong,
but I like Terrence's roadie so thatwould have been interesting if that continued.
Yeah, I mean they're both likesome of the best actors that we have,
So we got pretty lucky that ifyou're gonna replace Terrence Howard, you
you got don Cheatle. But yeah, Terrence is great in this I buy

(39:22):
into that character completely in this movie, is anything. The dude's got too
much patience, you know, forTony in this movie. But most of
what they set up, though,other than the ten rings thing, really
ends up panning out at least insome capacity. And there are some other
lines that I completely forgot to,you know, take note of that hit

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harder when you know his entire arc. Just some things that he says,
that Pepper says that even you know, Happy being in the background in certain
situations, was so young in thistoo, it was weird. Yeah,
he did a little baby. Hedidn't even he had a couple of lines

(40:09):
because during the after the they racedthe plane, they had a couple Yeah
yeah, um, but yeah,I think you know, not necessarily that
all of those things were intended toplay out to something later down the road.
They did a really good job oflooking backwards and seeing what they had
said, what they had done,and picking those pieces up later. Right

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and Happy it's a great example ofthat, Like Favreau stopped directing the movies
pretty early on, and his charactercontinues to grow, and he's got a
whole personality and interests, and youknow, he's got you know, the
larger roles in the Spider Man movies. And that's something they easily could have

(40:52):
just forgotten about because it was justa director putting themselves in his own movie.
And they could have just written thatoff, and you know, it
ignored it completely. And I likethat they didn't do that. They just
kind of ran with it. Sofun fact, Favreau has always put himself
in the movies that he directs.A lot of the time it's more along

(41:13):
the lines of, you know,small roles, cameos like an elf.
But then you know, sometimes hedoes his own thing like chef and he's
the main character. But he madehimself Happy Hogan for one reason. He
had already cast Pepper Potts and inthe comics Pepper and Happy get married,

(41:40):
and in two thousand and seven,two thousand and eight, when they were
doing this, he thought he wasgoing to be able to make out with
Gwnneth Paltrow. Well, Favre,all right, I mean, I don't
see there's any differ than Quentin Tarantinocasting all these people that he just wants

(42:00):
to see their feet. I feellike that's a girl that's a Dad Falls
equivalent, is it? I mean, at least Quentin Tarantino isn't making out
with most of them. I meanthat we know, Yeah, I mean

(42:20):
maybe he is. I don't know. I don't keep track. Um.
I think one of my favorite evolutionsto come out of this movie is the
evolutions of Tony's suit technology, becausethis movie gives him three generations of suits,
and each one is different than theone before it, and there's advancements
to to everything in those sequences wherewe see him kind of suit up and

(42:43):
get ready and how it moves,and every time we see him, we
get those advancements continued in some capacity. And I know this has been talked
about before, but like basically,if he encounters a thing, the next
version of the suit fixes that thing, and we get to see that iteration
continue on. So you know,in this movie, you know, the

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Mark one, he has to havehelp getting into the suit and have help
powering it up, and then theMark the Mark three, you know,
has all of his robots doing it, but he kind of gets stuck in
it and he can't really get himselfout of it. Right. But then
you know, when we see himin Marvel's Avengers, he can walk,
you know, on that walkway andthe suit can just kind of be pulled
off of him as he's moving instride. Right. Iron Man two's got

(43:27):
the briefcase suit. Um, youknow, I love the evolution of his
technology because he's really the only characterwho gets a good justification for having a
new costume in every film, andthey really steer into it, even in
just this one movie. And Iliked that they carried that torch. Yeah.

(43:47):
I mean for me, it wenta little off the rails when they
started like making shit appear out ofnothing. Um, you know, yeah,
the nanotech isn't as fun because youknow, he's just standing there in
a weird mo cat suit and whereashere you could tell that he was wearing

(44:07):
a suit sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, And I think that, you know,
I think that having real world youknow, kind of basics to the
suit, you know, it beingfeasible that it could exist because you're seeing
it be built out of something orhearing that it's built out of something,
versus tiny microbots that come out ofyour bones and build armor around you,

(44:30):
or like come out of a watch. In one of the movies, you
remember when he presses the watching getsthe gauntlet or whatever, you know,
stuff like that, or the sunglassesor whatever. I don't know. Star
Wars thing where he has the earpieceand the helmet comes out of that.
I mean, at least he's aspace guy, right, so they have
space technology, but Tony Stark isstill Earth based, so it's a little

(44:51):
harder to buy into. But myfavorite suit is the Mark One. Like
I like, you guys know thisabout me. I like the more practical,
like grounded suits that you can identifywith more and so, you know,
every iteration after the Mark One gotless and less believable, so you
know, I liked these early movieswhen it was still had some weight to

(45:12):
it. One of my favorite thingsabout the first three versions of the suit
is that when it moves, youcan hear it move right right. There's
all those gears churning, there's thehydraulics, like, you can actually hear
that every action he takes requires mechanicalassistance right to happen. And those sounds
are just so cool. They soundso good and crisp In in the movie

(45:36):
still after all this time, andI mean, at a minimum, you
lose all of that when the suitbecomes you know, bendable, foldable.
Yeah. And when that first suitwhen he gets shot in like the hydraulic
thing, and you see his leggo down and like he can't lift it
because it's he has to use hisarms to physically lift his leg up because
his body isn't strong enough to dothat. You know that that all that

(46:00):
made it more easy to buy intothe fact that this is a real thing
versus now you know, he justtakes bullets and it's like who cares?
You know, there's no damage.Yeah. And then there's some things like
you in this movie, for example, towards the end, when he's fighting
Obadiah and he's when he's basically outof power, and he takes off one
of his gauntlets and then he goesto use the repulsor on that hand and

(46:23):
it's not there anymore. And Ijust I love that moment because later on
he fixes that. Right, that'sthe glove thing that you were talking about.
I think that's in Civil War,you know, where he doesn't have
that problem anymore. So I atleast like that it's consistent from that standpoint
where it's like it's constantly iterating.And I did like an Infinite War when

(46:44):
he's fighting Thanos that he when he'susing up that technology, right, it
starts to come off of his bodyto go into like where he's focusing it.
And I did think that was handledreally well. But otherwise I agree
with you. Yeah, that's good. Agreeing with Ryan is a good thing.

(47:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's always thebest option. Yeah. I did
like in Homecoming Spider Man Homecoming,that scene where Peter's kind of yelling at
the Iron Man's suit you know,if you really cared, you'd be here,
and then the suit opens up andTony walks out of it. I
do still I really like that moment. That's because it's a boss ass moment.
Do you know how many times Iwant to have an entrance that's just

(47:30):
like what else? Now? What? Like? Oh, it's so good.
Speaking of things that aren't consistent,we talked about the armor that is
consistent. Obadiah's Ironmonger power levels,like his strength and everything like that.
So you see him like with hishands on Tony's head at one point,

(47:51):
he's like crushing it, trying tokill him and can't do it. But
then when the helmet comes off,he's easily able to crush it, Yeah,
without trouble. Like okay, Solike Tony Stark's head is stronger than
the armor because when his head's init, you can't crush it, but
then when the when it's off,you can't. Like, there was a
lot of weirdness with his strength levelsand things like that. You know,

(48:14):
Uh, it made a little distractingnow watching it. The Ironmonger scene is
more and more written out of convenience. Everything was just basically convenient to the
plot. And it goes back tothat thing that we've talked about that happens
throughout the whole, like first twophases of Marvel, where their movies are

(48:38):
basically them fighting guy that's exactly thesame power set as them. You know,
it's at least they got a littlemore interesting and like Iron Man three,
a lot of people didn't like thatmovie. I liked that movie,
but he wasn't fighting another guy witha suit, you know. There he
was, there was a guy thathad some similar powers, but he was

(48:59):
more fighting PTSD and like mental traumathan he was of an enemy strictly,
And I mean I give this onea bit of a pass just because it
was the first one and then sure, but looking back because we're doing a
retrospective, yeah, because they keptcopying it, it becomes a really big
problem. And this in the Powerissue showcases a problem that they still have

(49:20):
in the MCU, even through theFalcon and the Winter Soldier, which is
how strong are things? Because itseems to very wildly even in its own
confined story of a film or aseason of a show, all the way
up through from two thousand and eightto now, that's still a problem.
But it's not just a thing inthe movies though, Like I mean,

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this has been a problem with comicbooks for a long time. Like a
lot of characters Arch Nemesis is justthem but with a different looking suit,
you know. Well, a lotof their like sidekicks or offshoot characters are
just them with like boy or agirl added to it. Like it's it's

(50:04):
a lack of creativity, but alsoa want to get as much like money
out of the brand as possible.Yeah, And I think it's also like
people see it as the easiest wayto challenge the character, like you know
that old trope of fighting a mirrorimage of yourself is probably going to be
the hardest and most difficult fight foryou, but it's not. That might

(50:28):
be interesting once or twice, butafter a while, that's not interesting to
see anymore. You know, seeingHulk fight Abomination, seeing Ironman fight Ironmonger,
um, you know seeing Captain Americafight Red School. These are all
characters where they have the same powerset and it's it's interesting for a very
short time, and that's about it. And it wasn't done any better,

(50:51):
Like we peeked in two thousand andten when Edgar Wright did it for Nega
Scott, Yeah, when they werelike, oh he's actually just a cool
guy. Yeah, we're getting brunched. Yeah, But I think that's what
that's what helps make Scott Pellio Versusthe World the movie incredible, right,
because it looks square at that andmakes fun of it because it is it

(51:12):
is a problem, right, andit is easy or what is Ironmonger?
He is a bigger, more powerfulversion of Iron Man. That's it.
Yeah, So iron May just hasto be clever to beat him because everything
he does he does better basically,And he wasn't that clever. He set
off like a in they fully expectedto die with it. So since you

(51:36):
brought that up, why doesn't hedie? Convenient? Because yeah, because
the MC was over if he's goneclearly right, but they like, I
feel like something could have been done. He falls down and so he misses
the brunt of the explosion by beingbelow, but he like he's up,
like just feet away from Obedi.Obedi is dead and Tone he's fine,

(52:00):
and they don't really explain it.They cut to black and you see him
at the press conference. I guessI just kind of took it more as
like it was an electrical like itwas an explosion, like a thing that
fried electrical systems, and because Tony'ssuit was out of power that it didn't
affect him, but like because Obadiah'swas like still massively powerful, it overloaded

(52:24):
his ARC reactor interesting and killed him. That's the way I took it.
But like it it is a littlethat's a little convenient, right, It's
not ever, it's I get onyou when you do this stuff, when
you like find some out of universeexplanation for why it works that's never given
in the movie. So yeah,I mean that's the best explanation I can
come up with for it. Butyeah, it's not great. It certainly

(52:47):
should have been covered of a movie. Ye, fair enough, there's I
mean, there's a couple moments inthe fight that are cool. Yeah,
I like that the ice thing comesback, but nothing comes of it.
We don't even get to see whatIronmonger goes through before he comes back online.
He's just fine again, Yeah,which is kind of a bummer.
Ripping out all of the targeting scannersand the you know, the HUD and

(53:10):
everything. So oh but I hasto open the suit is kind of neat.
I like that. I think it'sa cool way to make it go
face to face. That's the worstpart of the green screen and see and
reminded me a total recall with thatlittle guy that's on like this stomach,

(53:30):
you know what I mean. Likehe's like all this creepy looking little guy,
and that was a practical effect.It was that one actually looked better.
I'm saying that that that reminded meof that. But even then,
it's still better than what we've gotcoming next. The CGI in the Hulk
is so bad. It's rough.Yeah, Yeah, but I mean again,
like the whole character has to becgi. So I'm a little more

(53:52):
forgiving. But I mean, Idon't really care for that movie, so
I'm sure I'll have a lot tosay about that. But going to sequence
where he's like trying to target Tony, that that that whole sequence was just
painful for me to watch. No, Jeff Bridges couldn't save it. Like
it was just Okay, so thisguy has a super powerful suit. He's
not gonna do anything though. He'sliterally just even though his targeting systems ripped

(54:15):
out, He's just gonna stand thereand be like, Okay, I gotta
move three inches to the left.Just hang on their Tony, don't do
anything shots. Yeah, that waspainful. Bridges sounded annoyed, And I
don't know if that was supposed tobe oba annoyed, but it felt like
Bridges was annoyed. Yeah, likethis is terrible, guys, we gotta
do something about this. Yeah,it was not good. Yeah, I

(54:39):
truly wish that I would have shownthe Ironmonger armor break off more, if
we would have seen more damage.And like by the end, he is
like his goal to just at thispoint kill Stark himself is getting in the

(55:00):
way of him protecting himself and he'sgot like bits and pieces falling off everywhere,
and it just he was going tobe relentless. Like I wish that
would have happened, because that wouldhave made way more sense to see him
like struggling to shoot ten things likethat. One thing I did like about

(55:22):
the Ironmonger suit they did a goodjob of, like highlighting, was when
he's going to fly, the weightof the suit and like the amount of
thrust needed to push the suit up. It wasn't like Tony taking off.
It was much weightier, And Ithought that was they did a good job
with that because if he had justtaken off, like Tony would be like,
what the fuck was this? Howis this giant suit? Why didn't

(55:45):
Tony make his suit giant if itcan just take off like that? Yeah,
you know, yeah, it hadto have a burn for a second
to like start getting some power builtup. I liked that a lot.
And there are some other really coolmoments still that that stand out to me.
You know. There's there's the iconicone when Tony first takes the suit

(56:05):
out to to go stop terrorists,right, and he's fighting the tank,
right and he dodges the tank andthen he shoots this tiny little missile and
walks away, you know, withthe explosion behind him. That shot still
looks freaking awesome. I don't knowthe CGI was rough on that shot.
Still, how did you watch it? I'm curious on my TV, like

(56:27):
did you were you streaming it orwere you? Yeah? So I was
streaming it through Disney Plus through myTV's Disney Plus app. I thought it
looks good. I thought it looksgood. It's a cool scene, Like,
I get it. Back are coolguys don't look at explosions, But
um, you know, in reality, I don't think that what's he walking
away from? You know? Thatwas that shut out. That whole setup

(56:49):
was just like to be cool.You know why why wouldn't he just fly
back up? People are probably gettingshot and killed, like five five feet
away while he's doing his cool guywalk away from this floating tank. He's
new with this, you know,I'm sure, so he's got to look
cool. That's more important. He'she's learning the ropes. I mean,
that was the trailer shot, Like, I get it, that's the one
they put in all the trailers.But you know, yeah, it wasn't.

(57:14):
It wasn't as cool to me nowas it wasn't in two thousand and
eight. I also think that thescene where he puts on the Mark three
armor for the first time, youknow, they it's a it's a very
extended scene, right, meant toshow off the whole thing. I still
think that's a really cool scene.It's a cool scene, but again,
the CG was rough. It lookedlike his head was like copy pasted on
an MS paint the CG scene.Yeah, the shading's not right like where

(57:38):
it's supposed to be him, likein shadow right because it's around his face.
It's a little off. Yeah,it doesn't look good. Yeah,
didn't hold up, but rare youlike that bit I did? Yeah,
I think it's fun. I thinkthe first time an actor gets to put
on the superhero cost him really makesthem come alive. And I've never seen

(58:05):
a scene like that where the actordidn't enjoy it. It was cool.
It was a cool scene. Like, don't get me wrong, I just
think that when it got to theface, the CG was definitely noticeable.
But the actual scene itself is reallycool seeing you know, all the mechanics,
the Alan head screws going in andturning, and you know, the

(58:27):
things being tested, the flaps goingout, and you know, yeah,
I mean it was definitely a coolscene. And his is more visually interesting
than watching like Captain America, likezip up, you know, like what
are you gonna see? How theCaptain America suit? But the shield go
you know on his back that's aboutit, you know, Whereas this one
had a lot of cool moving piecesand you kind of lost that too though,

(58:49):
and then later movies when the suitups happened so quickly, like you
he could just lay back and seeand be shot out the back of a
helicopter in his suit, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's
why I like the Briefcase one andIron Man too. I think that's a
pretty cool sequence. That's been awhile since I've watched it, so we'll
see when we get to that one. But yeah, that's why I love

(59:10):
this one. It's just it's themost tactile, you know, even even
with some of the issues agreed,so you know, other fun stuff.
I like his press conference at theend, you know, he gets up
there's supposed to read the Q cards. I mean, it's Tony Stark He's
never read the Q cards in hislife, so I don't know why they

(59:31):
expected him to do it this time. And he goes off script and he's,
you know, he talks about youknow, I don't know, I
don't know that I would call myselfa hero or whatever, and she's like,
I didn't call you a hero.That line makes me laugh every time,
just because of his reaction to it. But I like the tone that

(59:51):
that speech sets because it sets theprecedent of these people not really having secret
identities, which in a superhero universeis kind of a new concept, at
least in film. Um, youknow, all of the DC heroes are
supposed to be anonymous, and youknow Marvel was that way before Iron Man
in the films, right, allof the X Men, you know,

(01:00:13):
have secret identities, and the FantasticFour of secret identities, and so this
was a big change. What FantasticFour was not. Yeah, they they
had very yeah Trny blades literally ornot blaze, you know what human tord.
She would go out in and like, you're right, yeah, but
the X Men do. Bruce Brucebars. That's the problem with the X

(01:00:37):
Men because you had the Fantastic Fourin the Avengers come out before then,
and uh, the public and thecomics love them. They love their heroes,
and all of a sudden they hatethe X Men, like makes no
damn sense, Like nothing about it. Like, I get what they were
going for, but the X Menin the world of Marble does not make

(01:01:00):
any sense. What's fair. That'swhy they always feel so separated in my
opinion. Yeah, that was acool reveal at the end of this movie
in two thousand and eight, youknow, finally seeing somebody just embracing that
they are this character. But thenthat got a little ridiculous because you know,

(01:01:21):
when Civil War was coming out.In the comics, Civil War is
very much about secret identities being registeredwith the government and things like that.
But they couldn't do that because noneof their characters had secret identities. So
while it was cool in the firstIron Man film, it kind of got
to be a little much because noneof the characters cared the fact that their
secret identities were out in the open. Everybody knew him, you know,

(01:01:44):
Peter's the only one in the MCUwho really cares about that. Yeah,
and now it's now he lost it. Now now he doesn't have that anymore.
So it's definitely a deviation from thecomics, and they've had to,
you know, right differently around it. It. Civil Wark was not going

(01:02:06):
to be the same movie because ofit. No, but I think it
was a worst movie because they couldpersonally. I think if they had set
it up a little bit better tolean on that into a similar storyline,
than it would have been much better. Well, in my opinion, focusing
more on being employees of the worldinstead of you know, their own agents,

(01:02:30):
and mixing that with the Bucky stuffwith the Black Panther stuff. It
wasn't blended as well. And Ithink people really, including the directors,
really just wanted that airport scene wellif it didn't have weight to it,
because a lot of the ship wedidn't really care about. We didn't know

(01:02:52):
Tony Stark's dad got some glimpses ofhim an iron Man too, I think,
but and in First Countain America ifhe was an that one too,
I think, But you know,we really it's not like we were super
attached to him. So the factthat Bucky murdered him, it was like,
okay, like that sucks for Tony, but there's not that much weight

(01:03:13):
to that. And all the otherdrama felt manufactured because it wasn't something that
felt earned or natural. And weall had that complaint after we saw Sible
War. You know, it didn'thave like it seemed like two toddlers fighting
over something because there was no anyway. We've talked about it a lot,
you know what I mean, justwhen you get too Avengers, the first

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Avengers movie, your core cast,none of them. There's not like a
good way for them to have secretidentities, right, Like Tony reveals his
all right, but you know you'vegot four who doesn't have one because he's
a god. You've got Steve who, I mean, does it does it
matter? Like he was thought deadseventy five years ago, so I don't
know that there's an identity. Hedoesn't really have a personal life. Natasha

(01:03:59):
doesn't either either. She's an assassin. Well, Natasha is a secret government
agent and she goes public at theend of Win Our Soldier, so she's
out before that. It would havebeen a big deal to her life,
but it was not. I mean, really, I guess Bruce Banner is

(01:04:20):
the only one who really hides,but a lot of people know he's the
Hulk. Yeah, it's not asecret at all, you know, I
think people might not recognize him ata particular point in time. It's like
basically the core group already, Likeit just doesn't work, you know.
And later characters, you know,Black Panther, Captain, Marvel, Spider
Man, those they could have keptthose identities a secret, I think a

(01:04:43):
little bit easier, but they justdidn't really do it. I think it
would have been better if they hadjust waited until they had mutants and then
see you you know, and obviouslyit wouldn't work quite the same way because
Iron Man wouldn't be around. Butyou can do it without iron Man,
you know. But the mutants,like we talked about a lot of X
Men, they are not public withtheir powers. Um So I think that

(01:05:05):
that would have been a huge thing, you know, or like you have
Daredevil or I don't know this,is she Hulk well known that she's also
Hulk or is that a secret identityfor her too? She was on the
side of outing herself, so shedid what she did reveal that, but

(01:05:28):
she wasn't revealed before Civil War,right, it was a secret. So
I mean, when you have morecharacters like we have now in these phases.
I think it would have worked muchbetter. Yeah, as a later
movie, even if you kept ironMan out of it, you don't have
that tension between iron Man and CaptainAmerica. You do it through somebody else.
But um, yeah, that wouldhave been much better, I think.
And well, we said when wereviewed Civil War Civil War that it

(01:05:56):
would have held more weight with morepeople because you can't have something with the
word war in it and there's notit's like twelve people. Yeah, yeah,
it's not a war. It's aslap fight in an airport hangar,

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And it's just it would have beena lot better. And there was you
know, people actually die well,right because at the whole point, it's
like when Roadie gets hurt, everyone'slike whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa. That's not what we're doinghere, right, Like everyone's like
dialed back on purpose, And Imean we're way off in the weeds.

(01:06:42):
Now. We can talk about CivilWar in like two years when we get
back around to it. I thinkepisode three fifty sounds good. All right.
Is there anything else from the firstiron Man movie that we didn't touch
on that you want to make surewe discussed. I found Roady a little

(01:07:02):
whiny, and I didn't like himin the beginning. He gets better as
the movie goes on. Fair enough, that's just me. Fair enough.
Do you think that Raza is stillalive? No, so you think they

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just killed No, they executed everybody. Yeah, they killed everybody in the
camp. Well, they totally believethey did that. I saw all the
dead bodies outside, But obed,I just left the dude there. Yeah,
why would he leave the one dudethat knows exactly what he did.
That's the head of a terrorist organization, you know what I mean. It
doesn't make any but this was apart of the movie when things were making

(01:07:45):
sense. I'm just saying, logically, if you just look at the way
the guy acted, he wouldn't.Leaving them both alive makes more sense than
leaving one of them alive. Sodid you ask that question so you could
argue with me? No? Iwas curious if anybody agreed with me.
No, Okay, fair enough?Fair enough? All right, Well,
then I think that's good. Ithink that's a good spot to stop.

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I think that we've covered a lotof ground. If you have any thoughts
out there in the podcast verse.About two thousand and eight iron Man and
you know, comparing it to whatdo you think it holds up? Yea
like to our listeners do you thinkit holds up? And is there anything
that you think you know they carriedthrough to the end of the Infinity saga

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that you know we didn't mention thatyou really liked or maybe it was a
small nice touch something like that.You know, let us know. You
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Thank you everyone for joining us forour two hundred and fiftieth episode.

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We will return to the MC Revisitedsegment in a month with the Incredible Hulk,
and we will be back next weekwith an all new episode. Thank
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