April 4, 2023 • 54 mins
Cammie Wolf Rice is a mother, an advocate, an author and an agent for change. She has personal experience dealing with the dangers of opioid misuse through her own son’s battle from childhood through his passing at the age of 32. Cammie has transferred her pain into purpose. She has made it her mission to raise awareness about the opioid epidemic and alternative pain management strategies. Among her accomplishments is creating a new position in hospitals, Care Coach, to provide families in need struggling with these issues.
Her book, The Flight, chronicles her journey and will out in October 2022
In this powerful work, author Cammie Wolf Rice shares the story of losing her beloved son, Christopher Brett Wolf, to the opioid epidemic. Christopher lost his battle with substance misuse and dependence after 14 years. Like so many others, his battle with opioid dependence began with a single prescription. Christopher was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis in middle school, which led to countless surgeries and 1000’s of prescription opioids. His mother, with him along every step of this fight, witnessed first hand how devastating this affliction can be. When she lost her son, she vowed to do everything in her power to ensure no other parent would suffer the same devastating loss..
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Hey everybody, Eric Castle off here.
So today's episode of the podcast deals with some very
serious issues that of the opioid crisis going on in our
country, if you or anyone, you know, is suffering from opioid
addiction, please call the Narcotics Anonymous hotline.
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The phone number is 1-888-936-3264 Number again, one
eight hundred nine. Nine two 0401.
There are people there who want to help you or your loved one.
Hello everybody and welcome to the something.
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Something podcast, my name is Eric Castle often with me as
always is Larry Sands. How's it going?
Larry everything actually everything is great Eric, thank
you for asking okay? So Larry usually we're pretty
funny and silly on the show and you know maybe if we have time
to balance this will do a goofy episode at the same time.
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This one goes up but we In a lotof wars in our country right now
and not the kind that take place, you know?
Like the way you normally would there's a war amongst our people
and one of the biggest is with the opioid crisis, right now,
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that is destroying so many livesbecause it's not just hurting
the person who's addicted. It's hurting the people.
Around them. I remember when I had one of my
surgeries a while ago, I got scared because I like the way
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the medication made me feel and it terrified me and I was like,
oh Lord, please help me. And then I thought, man, what is
it? Like for people who don't have
who get caught him to this? And well, you know what,
introduce our guests because they are there in the mist of
this battle. Yeah, Kami wolf rice.
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Thank you for first of all beingon our show and and talking
about this, this crisis and moreimportantly, I think your book I
think Is it safe to say that Ann?
And I know you know, looking at your website and things your and
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definitely an advocate for opioid addiction, but I think
more importantly you are an advocate for inspiration and
Striving to be the best you everyday in the face of
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adversity. Honestly, thank you very, thank
you for that. Appreciate it.
Welcome, you're very welcome. Um, Palace Tell us about your
book and what, what brought you to write your book in the first
place? Okay.
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Yeah, I never honestly thought Iwould ever be an author but I
had such a desire to reach, massive amount of people and I
thought writing the book would enable me to do so, you know,
this story, unfortunately startsas a tragedy and so I Taken my
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pain to purpose and that is the key message for everyone out
there. That's listening if you're
dealing with any kind of pain for me, losing a child, is the
most. I can't even describe it.
And so, when I wrote the book, it's called the flight, my
opioid journey and I, you had touse a metaphor because it's so
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hard to explain as a mother. What it feels like to be to lose
a child, because there is nothing.
Is not even a word for it in a dictionary, you know, for when a
parent loses a child, you're an orphan or your, you know, Widow.
But there's no word for when a parent loses the child.
And so I used the airplane as our journey of life and we will.
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We people leave our flight were not expected to leave our flight
wheel and different places in our life.
We land at happiness. We landed success, we land at
grief. We landed illness And you have
to keep flying, right? You got to, you got to keep
going on that journey and keep the fuel, and sometimes you're
circling and circling and circling and trying to land,
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right? And so I used kind of an
out-of-body Fiction with nonfiction.
If you will, I definitely share my story but I wrote it in such
a way that the reader thinks about your own Journey.
You know you think about your own trials and tribulations and
how you keep flying on that on that journey of life.
You know, my son I wanted to be a Navy SEAL.
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I mean, disciplined just super book, smart, just, you know,
disciplined and he was diagnosedwith a colon disease, ulcerative
colitis. And, you know, this was right
back in the days when Purdue Pharma released, the wonder drug
that was supposed to be non-addictive.
And he had to have his large intestine removed, and we went
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home with 90 oxycottons followedby 90 more.
So yeah, and we didn't know, youknow, and, you know, we as a
society, we say, we think the answer is in a pill.
Be, we don't question doctors and, and I'm not bitter against
doctors, they were told it wasn't addictive.
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And you know, this is big, big business gone, really, really
bad. You can blame a lot of people.
And if I took all that hurt and if I turned it into anger,
what's that going to do, right? That's why I had to turn it into
a purpose. And how do we help people?
How do we educate people? How do we make them aware that
when you're in a Health crisis because that's lie somebody in
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your family or do you like you were talking about Eric at the
beginning? You have a Health crisis and and
you don't ask questions and evenwith Dennis, Dennis are some of
the highest per quiet. Prescribers not all dentists,
but there's no reason. If your child is having a root
canal or their wisdom teeth pulled, you don't need to go
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home with 30%. Percocet and many addiction
start with that first prescription.
Yeah, and the thing is, we talked with a lot of holistic
medicine, people. And I made a point that, you
know, people think when you takea pain pill it takes away your
pain. It doesn't.
It gets you high that you don't know you're in pain for that,
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whatever the length of the medicine happens, it's doesn't
take your pain away. That's right.
And actually, you know your bodydoesn't know go, no not doesn't
your body doesn't know where to go to fix the paint right?
If it's so mad and, you know, there's a lot of side effects
that they don't talk about when you get an opioid constipation,
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you know, there can be many, many side effects.
And so now, I want to make clearif you have a horrific car
accident, God forbid, or whatever the case may be, and
you to be on an opioid, That's all right.
You just need to know that it's not the answer for chronic pain.
It is something that you need toknow how fast you need to taper
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off. So you don't become addicted to
that opioid, right? And they are coming out with
many different Technologies. Many different solutions for
people with chronic pain. I have some people get mad at me
that if they have a chronic painand they're on opioids and they
get very angry with me. But I'm speaking the truth.
It's not a sustainable. A long-term solution to be on
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opioids. Long-term period, period.
Actually, let's kind of take it.Where you know, everybody has
their truth. Everybody has different
experiences. Everybody has different things
that they're going through in life.
And I think I think it's I thinkit's not wrong, I understand it.
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But much like we love Eric and Ion our show to talk to people
and we love to listen, their, totheir stories and where they
are, where they came from. And it's part of The Journey of
of everyone to have an opinion about everything.
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I, I know that just from talkingand listening to you Kami and
it's so true because when you talk about when anybody talks
about their story and it's whether it's happy or sad, you
start thinking about things in your life.
Life and and I think that's the one thing that that makes us all
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the same is our stories because no matter where we came from, no
matter where we are, we still have a story that connects us
all answer. I really appreciate you just and
we just started the show but butto know your resolve, and you're
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one of my trying to say, Your love for your son.
And your passion for dealing with the opioid fight the
addiction fight, any addiction, any inspection, any addiction.
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And yes, it can happen to anybody and I try not to make
excuses in my life for anything.I really face what I need to
face because I think that's worth what we all have to do.
Because we all have to answer tous to ourselves and look
ourselves in the mirror. And I don't know where I'm going
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with this. But but it's one of those things
where we all have to embrace each other and When you?
When you talk about the opioid crisis in situations because
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you've been on a lot of places, right?
We've done a lot of things Ben and talks.
What what has the reaction been to to you and your message?
Well, I think that if everyone you know, the stigma is so real
in our country and we have to break the stigma because silence
kills. And that's the main reason I
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speak. Any time I can get a mic
Microphone, I will speak wherever schools police
officers, podcast interviews, because it took me two years to
say that my son overdosed. Why?
Because it's sickening an Assad is assist.
I wanted my son to have a respectable death.
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My son was not what people thinkof when they think of the word
addict and we have to change thelanguage.
It's drug abuse, its addict, these are all Negative
connotations of people. And this this this guy bought
substance misuse for 15 years went to multiple rehabs spotted
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every single day and so when I saw you know, and I had a I
supported him the whole way and I still lost the battle.
You see, he still lost his life at 32.
And when I had to wait two yearsbefore I would even tell family
that my son overdosed because I didn't want them to think back.
Bad of Christopher and I knew I had to come out and I had to be
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transparent, I needed to be authentic so that I can save
other people's lives. Because when your child has
cancer, neighbors are bringing over casseroles.
Nobody bring it over a casseroleto me because they didn't know
to bring the casserole. You see?
And so we've got to support eachother as a community, as people,
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because the number one thing that helps somebody that's
fighting addiction. It's alcohol, whatever third
addicted to, it's the connectionof people.
It's giving them love. It's letting them know that
they're not alone ever. And so when you and you know,
and you look at that, you know, there's two things going on.
Number one, this is our own DEA in Washington.
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D.c. I went to a meeting.
They said our country is under achemical warfare attack.
So you've got the opioid epidemic but then the The other
thing you have going on is fentanyl, and what's happening
with fentanyl is look, let's be wrong.
Let's be real about it. Everybody is experimented with
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drugs in college and whatever wherever you are, you
experiment, you're curious. You want to try things.
The difference with experimenting with street drugs,
today is the street drugs are poisoned, and it's, it looks
exactly like the real pill. So people think they're taking
one Percocet, they think they'retaking one's an For anxiety.
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And it's a street drug and it looks just like the Xanax
prescription out of the bottle. And it's got fentanyl just a
little salt Speck of Fentanyl, and they die.
And there are thousands and thousands and thousands of
people dying within all poisoning.
So you got the opioid epidemic over here and you got the
fentanyl poison and it's scary and that's why we got to be
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speaking out about this to warn people.
You can experiment, those drugs or poison.
Now Now it's in everything and that's what's really scary,
right? Oh yeah.
You know and I feel that becauseit's everywhere and because
people hear it and there is somekind of a stigma.
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I feel that everybody that hearson the news.
And here's about it on social media is.
So, so far removed and it's one of those things where if it's,
this is, and this is a horrible part.
If it's not happening to me, it ain't happening.
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And I think that is well go ahead, go ahead.
I think we're not all as far removed as we think we are well,
I mean, statistically, all of usprobably You know, someone who
knows someone that is, you know,battling this because the dang
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about a good addict is you'll never know like the worst of the
worst alcoholics, the ones that scare me the most are the ones
that can be around people and act normal.
You know, those are the ones that I that are.
I feel more bad for them than I do.
The ones I see on the street outside.
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Outside of the liquor store because data and learn how to
master problem. That's right.
That's right. They're functioning with it, you
know. Serving addict is scarier than a
non-functioning at it. And, you know, the deal is you
need to peel back the onion because they're self-medicating,
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there's a root cause in there, that made them, start
self-medicating to begin with. And, you know, we're starting to
understand the importance of Mental Wellness, you know,
mental Fitness in our brain is just as important.
And how many people are struggling with anxiety and
depression and and you know, andso I got to tell you guys, you
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know, we'll just there's one thing.
I definitely a message. I always want to get make sure
we get through and we had reallygood, great news last week
because Narcan is a nasal spray and it saves somebody if they
are overdosing and my big. Yes.
And it just now And it should have been done many years ago,
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but we're not going to complain about that because the bottom
line is the FDA just now approved it to be over the
counter and when I say everyone should carry Narcan, I mean that
like everyone should carry Narcan, they are training
servers at coffee shops across the United States because so
many people have overdosed in bathrooms at coffee shops.
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So I'm telling you gas stations were ever again.
They might just taken a Xanax oran Adderall or whatever and they
thought it was a legit. They got it from a friend that
said, it was okay. But that friend got it from
somebody else and it's got fennel in it.
And here's the thing, let's say Larry, I see Larry and I think
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he's overdosing and I thought, Idon't know, I'm not a doctor.
What if he's not overdosing? What if I do sis Narcan?
And it's not an overdose, we will not hurt him.
Okay? So you can still administer.
It's just a nose. Pray that you go in each
nostril, there's a simple video on YouTube of how to administer
Narcan, it's very simple. You can save a life by carrying
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Narcan. So I really wanted to get that
message out there why we're talking about.
But no is it so important for everybody to understand and you
know a lot of parents that own it would be my kid.
Well maybe you don't have Narcanfor your kid because your kids
never made a mistake. Maybe you just have it for the
neighbor that it's your friend'sfriend or you know, if you look
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Right, so just just carry it just to have it just in case,
right? I think that's so important.
Now, let me ask you this now, can you go?
And, and I would assume you could go to any drug store,
Walmart CVS, Walgreens Target, and do you hat?
Does it have to be a prescription?
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No, that's what just got approved over the counter.
So it is okay, so you can pick it up.
There's an arc and just in case they just approved it they just
approved it in Kentucky the fentanyl deaths or so bad they
had vending machines with Narcanand in 24 hours the vending
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machine was empty. Yeah.
It's that bad and I don't think people realize someone's dying
every 11 minutes with fentanyl poisoning.
No they don't. I don't realize that that's It's
all over the country. I mean, there was a story of mom
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in Colorado, she had a slumber party for 14, year-old boys and
this was Snapchat. Reaching out to the kids.
They weren't they weren't looking for it.
And they were saying, hey, do you want to try something that's
going to make you laugh and dance all night?
They delivered it to the house, the mom went to the basement,
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the next morning, Every kid was dead.
Every child of the summer party died.
All 14 year olds. They didn't leave the house.
It was delivered to the house. It was they they're approaching
kids on Snapchat, that's how real this is, and people don't
understand. It's hitting every age.
It's the number one killer from 18, besides the school
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shootings, of course. But it's, it's really the out of
control and I don't think peoplerealize that.
No, no, they don't, they don't, you know, and it's unfortunate
Because the news only covers what they want you to know,
right? Yeah.
That's that's the unfortunate part.
I think it's highly important because I have a nice, right?
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I have a niece who is, you know,under 10?
She loves to watch YouTube and, you know, I think, I think it's
the parents, their job still to watch over their kids and to
monitor, not only social media, YouTube, but what they're
watching on TV, who their friends are and and, and it
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blows my mind that to hear that.And of course, I mean, I, you
know, I don't, I don't live my life on Instagram, I don't live
my life on social media, so I don't know, but I can only
imagine some of the things that go on social media and and, you
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know, for for all this talk about see now I'm Getting all
worked up for all this talk about the government looking
after. And one, you know, these things
from Facebook and Instagram in Snapchat.
What are they doing? What are they actually doing?
What are they actually do besides sit around and complain
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about complaining? What do they actually do?
Nothing I don't ya nothing. So there's over 25,000 moms that
are going to be on the White House steps protesting on on
September 23rd. I mean, that's probably going to
be more than 25,000. I mean, they're coming from all
over the country. Yeah, yeah.
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It's sad. They, there's one mom that has a
charity and she she does Billboards to bring awareness.
There's 150 kids photo composed on a billboard and they fill up
three Billboards every week. Wow.
Just at their state just at their state.
So yeah, I think, you know, building awareness to that.
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And you know, here's you know everybody has a swim Lane when
it comes to this because there'sso many different ways you can
go. And so I decided there wasn't
enough being done for prevention, how do we stop it
before it starts? Because we all know the ones we
know that are addictive. You're addicted.
The rest of your life. That's a journey.
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You have to fight every single day.
So So how do we stop it? So it does never start right
right? Right.
And so what? Because Christopher had a Health
crisis and was in the hospital and I felt like there's a
missing team member on the healthcare team and hospitals.
Let me show you this. In our society we have coaches
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for everything, right? We got executive coach sleeping
coach, birthing coach football, coach baseball.
Everything Fortnight with coaches, right?
But when you're in a Health crisis, you don't have a coach
to help you with pain managementto help you with anxiety stress,
depression. PTSD, you have all those things
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if you're in the hospital. So we developed.
Christopher, wolf Crusade is my nonprofit.
I did it in my son's name and we've had a clinical trial
because you have to have the data to create a position in
healthcare, and it's called a life care, specialist there in
the hospitals. They are you know if when you
have the Health crisis there your coach they're going to come
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in, they're going to talk about.Here's all the Alternatives of
things you can do for pain. Besides take a pill, they're
going to help you manage your your you know, your pain
management. They're going to give you
techniques to help with anxiety,stress depression.
And and there are care coach because nurses and doctors don't
have time to do that anymore. Yeah you know they don't have
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the time so we're excited about it.
We just got Million dollar Grantto roll it out in rural
communities because rural communities across our country,
have hardly any access to healthcare.
So we're rolling the position. There we are at Grady Hospital
in Atlanta. We've just moved into Sickle
Cell unit. We're an Orthopedic Trauma.
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So if you have a car accident. So anyway my goal and hear me
loud because my goal is to have these, like Care Specialists and
hospitals across the country. And I will make sure it gets
done. Wow, I'm kind of speechless.
Yeah, it's a great job because Ican't get you look at you doing
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what other people only wish or talked about or oh gosh.
Wouldn't it be great? That's That's a no.
You said something earlier. You could have just been angry
and do nothing but you did something, what that anger, you
could have just gotten bitter atthe world and not try anything
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again fall into addiction yourself but you got addicted to
trying to stop this, which is socommendable.
Now I can't stand big Pharma. I honestly So you do feel.
This is a thing with me. I do feel.
There is a cure for every disease.
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It's just there's more money in treating a disease than there is
in curing it. So has there been any bite from
Big Pharma coming after you and what you're trying to do because
the second you mentioned, you know, Alternative Care.
Now, whatever you think about, you know, medical marijuana Or
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whatnot. It is for some people.
It is a suitable substitute whether it be the gummies.
But again we have to remember the reason why you marijuana was
vilified in this country is because William Morris thought
it was going to take away from his Lumber Fortune because hemp
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is a better rope than regular, you know, paper rope, how much
of a fight are they putting against you for this?
Not onwards so far. No, I think.
Because I am in a hospital, I'llshow you the cops justification.
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If two people don't come back tothe emergency room after they've
been discharged from the hospital.
If two people don't come back tothe emergency room for pain
management, that's paid for the life care, specialist for a
year. So, I show a cost savings to the
hospital to help. They can save money by managing.
Seeing their patients pain, right?
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And by providing that service, it is political you're right?
I mean, big Pharma definitely medical marijuana's definitely
political I sit on a medical marijuana board to try to be the
voice to say, you know, there are places for this.
So you got to look outside the box when it comes to managing
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pain and not, it's not all one size.
Fits all how you deal with pain might be different than how I
deal with pain. I am dealing would pain right
now. My hip is killing me and you
know, I'm trying to think how can I go you know fix this
problem? Uh-huh!
Uh-huh. Yeah I mean you know and that's
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really I base this position on everything.
Christopher didn't have all the hospital visits and everything I
didn't have as his caretaker andthat's what this role is.
And you know it's and you know what?
There's a position similar to Tothat in children's hospitals.
It's called a child life specialist, there's 6,000 of
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them across the United States but when you're an adult and you
go to an adult Hospital, nothing.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, it and it's you just said you took what creators,
right, writers musicians and actors.
They take all this stuff and they put it into their creative
life. You actually just took all your
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emotional stuff and you actuallytransferred it and and your it's
really Work in progress of yes, will life.
And in the things that you're doing and how can, okay?
This is how can, how can can, okay?
This is would be weird. Is, can normal people get
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involved to help you somehow andthe normal people is everybody
listening us that actually want to to do something, but we just
don't know what to do because there's so many things in there,
so many things being Talked about, but now we have you and
y'all making it happen. Thank you, sweetie.
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What can, what can we do to helpget involved?
Well, thank you, I appreciate that.
So, first of all, if you, if youget the book, all proceeds of
the book, every single penny of the profit goes to the charity,
so that will help me to expand this position in hospitals
across the country. If you get the book, some people
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don't like to read. Okay, so what I did in the book
and the only reason I knew to dothis is because a covid, it was
just one of those freaky things and I think I'm the first author
to ever do it. I'm super excited, but I have QR
codes, all through the book and so I can constantly keep the
information updated and so if you don't read after every
chapter, you can scan the QR code.
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And I come on on video. And I talked about relapse and I
talked about actions for families and how you can support
your loved ones that they're addicted.
Then, in the The back of the book, there's a resource library
and I keep that resource Libraryconstantly updated.
So, for example, let's say a momis listening right now and they
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know that their child is suffering, the teenager or
whatever. Their 30-year old is suffering
with addiction. Maybe they drink too much and
you get super defensive when they when you try to talk to him
because you're the mom, right? There are tools and resources
for families like partnership toend addiction.
For example, they have tons of resources.
That are free free for parents to reach out and they'll tell
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you how to talk to your kids, how to have conversations, how
to talk to your loved one, how to have an intervention, you
know, so you need that support system again, you need that
support, right? So, I will say, you know,
purchasing the book would be great.
It's on Amazon, it's on Barnes and Nobles.
Like I said, I'm going to constantly keep it updated with
updated information, all the proceeds, go to the charity.
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And, you know, my goal for this,this year, I took pieces of the
life care specialist role and it's called a care coach
certification. And I just launched it this week
with college students because caught to me, every family
should have a health Advocate, you got to have a health
Advocate to take care of yourself your family because
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life's going to happen. Somebody in your family is going
to get sick. They're going to have to go in
the hospital. They're going to have to have
whatever and so every family needs to help out of it get.
So my goal is to make it that Everybody would have a care
coach in their family, right. So stay tuned for that.
I'll have to come on back on theshow once again.
Thanks for sure. Yeah heck yeah.
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Okay I know and I'll start this.I know what it was like.
When I lost my dad. I had a decision to make, I
could be sad and think about it for the rest of my life.
Or. I could.
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Find a way. To move on in a positive way, in
a strong way. How how I did that?
I don't know. I really don't know.
I know, you know, there's a lot of people out there like right
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now, you know, struggling to find Answers to a lot of
different questions but Cami foryou.
What would you tell that person that's listening or watching for
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that matter? Is there any is there anything
that you could say? I don't know.
But what would you tell that somebody right now?
That they must they do it. Should they do it?
They need to do it. I don't know because everybody's
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different, but for you what would you say to those people
right now? So that's a great question.
Super great question Larry and you're right, there's a lot of
people that have lost People covid-19 were the case may be
what I will say is grief, you'reright grief does it, it never
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goes away and it's not gonna go away.
It's not something that you get to the end of the tunnel and
you're like better. Its it, it takes its own path
and it's okay. Like, I can walk by
Christopher's picture at 2:00 inthe afternoon, and I can look at
his smiling face and say, hey, baby and smiling.
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And I can go by that same picture, five hours later,
involved around and cry, leavingthem that later, I'm guessing,
you know, I'm a little later. Yes, and it's okay.
It's okay. You have to let it out.
You have to let it out. But what I will say, Obviously
purpose, definitely helps, and it doesn't have to be starting a
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charity. It doesn't have to be doing
something humongous. Anytime you do anything to help
somebody else or help out. Out in any way.
It makes your heart feel better and it gives you purpose that
helps me for sure. I know.
And I quote oblate, you know, obviously, none of us, know know
what happens when you die. We think.
We know we all have our different beliefs.
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I know, for a fact, your spirit lives on, because I've gotten
way too many signs for my son, but had to be from him.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Like, they just had to be and I will have a full-on
conversations with him and and and you know, and I and I
welcome that, you know, that youtalk to your loved ones because
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they're going to give you those signs that you're looking for,
but it does take its own toll and it's okay.
I think the bigger message is What is the answer?
You've got to be connected to people and what the people that
have loved me and embraced me iswhat's helped me get through it
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and you got, you need love, you know, you really need it at
connection with people that helpyou with your grief and people
that understand and there will respect it, right?
Yeah. Oh that's like the most
important thing because I think and I think everybody has
somebody that that They know that they can be actually
honest, and just let it go and be, however, it's going to be
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whatever that looks like, you can't fix it, you can't fix it.
And it's more like here the things not to say to somebody,
you know, like, all they're in abetter place, or is it better
now that it's five years? Is it getting better Kami?
No, no. It's harder because it's been
five. You know what I mean?
So it's really Me knowing what not to say to somebody.
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That's lost. Somebody, that's hurting,
really? They just want a listening ear
sometimes. Sometimes you just want somebody
to listen to you, so that you can just be there for somebody.
Be in the mud with them, you know?
Yeah. Oh my gosh.
I will say one thing that man, Pennies from Heaven.
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That's what I find. Yeah, yeah.
I get God wings. I call him.
God wings, I talk about it in the book, you know, when I talk
about a lot of stuff, I mean, I had a home invasion.
I think about a lot of differentthings.
I talked about forgiveness in the book and hope and, you know,
it's why I like, share Christopher Story, I share my
journey. I'm also pretty raw about things
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that I feel like I made mistakeson, but it made me who I am.
And I feel like the more vulnerable I could be, it would
help other people not beat themselves up, you know.
And so I try to, you know, it's the book is about a lot of
things. It became, it took a life of its
own to be honest with you it really did.
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It just took a life of its own and I'm super proud of it.
And, you know, I know you guys are in the creative, you know,
film and all that. I'm telling you guys, I see it
being a movie. I see this book being a movie
and you got to read it so you gotta let me know what you
think, but I really really see it.
You know, I noticed you guys dida podcast with Anthony war and
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he says, all I see. Are you have a Michelle?
Yeah and so we've had conversations about it, you
know, because I really do see the book becoming a movie.
Wow. That's very interesting.
That's very interesting. You know, I think I believe I
believe everything has a purpose.
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I believe we're where we are because we have to be where we
are, and we have to go through things to be who we are.
And, you know, it's it's it's not it's not horrible, but I
think is the first step for giving ourselves You hit that
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you're gonna get, you're gonna blow my story in my book about
that because that's exactly whatI had to do.
I had to forgive myself Larry, because I didn't, I wasn't able
to save my son, you know? Yeah.
Jimmy. Okay, I think we all need a
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minute. This is what really is, you
know, it's it's about it's aboutgoing.
This is and this is why it wouldbe a perfect freakin movie.
It's about, it's about life and then the tragedy, and then the
Redemption and then the inspiration of it all, and the
way that you move on, at the beginning of what happens is,
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not necessarily, it doesn't haveto be The place it just yeah,
yeah. I mean I honestly so interesting
you brought that up. I've done so many interviews and
nobody's ever done that Larry. You're the first and that's
good. No, no.
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Well yeah that too. But you know you nailed it.
The Forgiveness. Peace.
You know you nailed it. Like that's that's what I had to
do because you know, when you'rea mom you want to say that you
want to fix and And I felt like I let him down, but I was not
able to save him you know. And why did I not understand
that 90 oxycottons? Like I was crazy like I just was
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they said every four hours I didexactly what they said to do.
And you know what, when your sonis suffering and pain, you want
the pain to go away and, you know, all these things going in
and would have could have, should have been if I had tried
this or if I did done that, you know.
And, you know, I didn't even mention but, you know,
Christopher and I were on it, weWere on a mission trip in
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Cambodia, and he passed away in Cambodia and I had to get his
body back and I had to fly on anairplane with him underneath me
for 24 hours, you know. So it was, it was a brutal
brutal, brutal Journey. But I really feel like he
sacrificed his life so that I could be doing what I was doing,
(41:07):
what I'm doing. Because I know God knew I wasn't
going to stop and whether that'sGod, Allah Buddha, it's not any
of those things, that's all of those things, whatever, you
believe that higher power is that has been my strength that
has been. And I know in my heart, I can't
explain it except that it's a fire inside of me that I get up.
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I do this six. Hours a week for free.
Because God knew I was not goingto stop because I'm out, they've
another mother for feeling this way.
Another father for feeling? This way, if I can save a life,
no better job in the world than that and I wouldn't be doing
this. Had Christopher not died.
I'd be doing something else. You know, I wouldn't be doing
(41:50):
this. So it was, it was like I was
chosen to do this work, you know.
Yeah, that's pretty heavy. You think it is.
That's, you know. Again whether it's fortunate or
unfortunate, we all have gone through what we've gone through
to be right. It Cammy, I you are absolutely
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right, if If you didn't write the book, we wouldn't Tony.
Yeah. What's been the response that
you've gotten from people? Amazing.
It's been all across the board, you know, interesting things
like that had nothing to do withopioids or anything.
(42:37):
I had a mom say, you know, I beat myself up because I got
divorced and failed at marriage and you made me feel like it was
okay. And then I had another mom, you
know, the whole forgiveness peace was huge.
I had a guy say you know I read your book and I'm going to start
my own business. I've been putting it on hold and
(42:58):
you gave me the inspiration to start the book or just start my
own business. And I was like, wow, that's
nothing to do with losing. A kid, has nothing to do with
the opioid epidemic, but it inspired him to go do something
that he was sitting on the sidelines and wasn't in the game
doing. So it's really gotten an
interesting different perspective, the healthcare
industry like nurses and stuff. Doctors they're reading it
(43:21):
going. This is the solution.
You know, because I write about life care.
Specialist, a one chapter and they're like, this is the
solution. This is what is missing.
This is the answer to rural Healthcare, so I'm beyond
excited. I just got to get out there more
and more, and more, and more andmore.
How do I get? How do I reach the masses?
How do I reach the masses? And I just do what I'm doing
(43:42):
right now. Yeah, Just girl, you just keep
going because you know what? Again the and it's so true that
when you say when the light whenyour book took off and in and it
took off on a flight, a flight from its own and it it matters,
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but it really that's the thing that brings us all together is
our experiences and our emotional self.
And the love for one another. And those are the things that
are probably the most inspiring.And that's why it doesn't
surprise me that people come up and go.
I can't, I can't relate to anything, except I started my
(44:32):
business. I started this, I started that
I've done this. I've done that all because of
your book and I, but I can, I can imagine, I can imagine but I
can't even imagine all the people that You've helped
because as he your son, he really is with you two and
(44:54):
exactly. Yeah.
You know, he's doing all of thiswith you.
It's not you doing it on your own.
No, no, you've got bad thumbprint round my neck and I,
where's Brent, you know, and sometimes I'll just rub on it
and, you know, and I'm thinking about something or, you know, I
got a big speech coming up or whatever and I just say, yeah,
(45:14):
you know, give me the words. Help me out here.
And, you know, it's I know that my son is at peace.
It's the missing. If the missing him walking in
the door, it's the missing him hug me.
It's the missing him is the is the grueling pain, but I know
that he's in peace and he's not in pain anymore because he
(45:37):
suffered a life, you know, so that that brings peace to it as
well, you know. Yeah.
And you know I will say That when, when you are in a, in a
hospital situation, when you do see your loved one, like, it's
hard, it's hard. Yeah.
It's it's extremely hard and I think, you know, my wife, she is
(46:03):
a great advocate for herself when she goes into the hospital.
Because she's learned, and I've learned, it's almost and whether
it's right or wrong, you know? When something happens to your
loved one and they're not hospital, it's like you just
kind of go on autopilot because you don't know, you don't know
(46:25):
what's happening, you don't knowwhat's going on.
And you listen to the people that you trust the most, which
are the people that walk in the nurses, the doctors and you
trust them to have your best interest, which I think they do,
but they just don't have the time and that's why Cami you
(46:45):
are. Oh, very important.
You are. So very important to things that
you do things that you're doing.Well, it's not about me, but I
appreciate all the accolades. You've given me that I am me.
Make me feel like, you know, I want to go and I want to keep
going and I'm going to, it really is so much bigger.
It's yeah, it's so not about me,but I think the girl to us,
(47:06):
you're driving the ship. You are the cat, flying, the
plane that you are flying a plane.
And I mean this, I say this to everybody but rarely do they
come back on or we reach out buthonestly, the repeat offenders,
(47:27):
we call them. Yes.
Yes, we would, we would love to have you on and anything that
that you want to talk about. I have something I'm gonna
mention off mic as soon as we'redone like they need to talk
about anything. You want to come on and talk
about Please do. Thank you so much, guys.
(47:48):
I mean, giving me this platform you don't understand how much I
appreciate that. Like, this is what it's about
one person's life. At a time, I promise you who
there's somebody out there listening right now and they're
going to get help because of this by listening to this, and
it's there for themselves or fora loved one.
You guys by having me on, we're together, collectively saving a
(48:13):
life right now and we don't evenknow it.
We don't even know it but that'swhy it's all about building
awareness. Making it okay to talk about
breaking the stigma, you know, just being there for each other,
right? Yes.
Yeah. I really highly important.
(48:33):
What I was going to say. Oh my gosh, I just know that.
You really are amazing. So thank you.
Thank you. And have a great thing, you
know, you're helping people. That's the main thing that
matters. You know, we do a lot of silly,
(48:54):
goofy stuff on the show and talkto a lot of people and we
usually do an end-of-the-year wrap up and I know that this is
going to be the episode, we bothlook back on the most.
So where can Everybody by the book.
Thank You Amazon. It's the flight my opioid
(49:18):
Journey, Cami wolf rice and thenwe're also on Barnes and Nobles.
You can also go to my website Kami wolf rice.com and then also
we have our charity which is C, WC.
So it stands for Christopher, wolf Crusade dot Geo.
(49:39):
We have a lot of resources. Sources on our website.
All the interviews I've done is on the website, you can order
the book from the website. So encourage you, we have
merchandise again, all profits go to the life care specialist
program. So, I mean, I literally Yeah, I
do this because I want to save lives and so that's how you can
(50:00):
support. And I appreciate very much.
You promoting the book and all the work that we're doing here,
I will great. All the links that were just
mentioned will be in the description if you're listening
to this over on anchor and when the show goes up, we will put
all of those links on to our social media.
(50:20):
So you can, you know, get the book and more importantly, give
the book to someone. Is what I would say is the most
important thing. Yes.
And Eric. Before you before you do the
wrap-up, I know Cammy, we've talked about it.
What, what is the most importantthing that people listening
(50:43):
should carry with them? A Narcan?
Yes, order in order to be prepared because it's
everywhere. That's right.
What can parents do to be prepared the most readily?
And friends to be prepared for anything.
Definitely, I encourage everyoneto have Narcan.
(51:04):
We have a video of why you should carry and it's just, it's
just reason after reason. After reason, you just don't
know where you could be that it could happen and somebody could
be overdosing and they didn't know, right?
They took they took some one pill and one pill can kill you
know I spoke to a school last week and I took a little sweet
(51:26):
and low sugar. Jacket.
And I dumped it out on stage andI said, If This Were fentanyl
everybody in here would be dead,you know?
And they, you could hear a pin drop.
The kids were like, and they listened and they paid attention
like, they know that they're seeing their friends die.
You know. They're seeing things happen and
now they have Benton all strips out there.
(51:46):
If you are doing drugs I got a question from one of the kids in
the audience. Can I test my drugs?
And I was like, wow, that was pretty brave to do in front of
the principal and the teachers and Anybody but okay.
Yes there are fentanyl strips out there.
However it's kind of like playing Russian roulette because
you can get fake pills and 10 ofthem can have no fentanyl in the
(52:10):
11th pill does and it has just aspeck of paint on it kills two
it's 100 times stronger than morphine. 50 times stronger than
heroin. By the way, 80% of heroin users
started with a prescription 80%.So you get on that prescription
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and you can't get the prescription anymore.
That doctors not going to fill it.
So you're going to go to the something cheap on the street
and get the heroin and then the heroin has been all in it.
Boom. You're gone.
So yes, everybody get Narcan. Everybody should carry Narcan.
It's it just got approved to be over the counter where you don't
have to have a prescription lastweek.
It might take a few days to get that in effect to where it will
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be sold over the counter Narcan everyone.
It should carry it and and oh man we can go on and on and on
but I think it's also, if you have kids who are involved in
any kind of drugs or their friends, please be understanding
please. You have to you can't you don't
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want them to make them feel bad,right?
You can't you, you have to be a supportive presence in people's
lives. And I think that's That's I
think that's all I'll say because I could go on and on.
Yeah. I mean, you don't want to be
naive as a parent. I've had parents come up to me
and say, you know, I my son, he swears he's never going to try
(53:38):
it. And my answer to that is well
you know there were Cadets from West Point that went on spring
break. I guarantee there's parents
never in a million years but youknow how hard it is to be a West
Point Cadet and they tried cocaine There was fentanyl in
it, so you understand. So don't be naive to think your
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kid could not get under peer pressure, whatever the reason
and decide try So, don't be thatparent, and then it's too late,
right? Then it's too late and then
you're one of the moms with me. I don't want that.
So don't be afraid to talk to your kids.
Don't be afraid to you know, be real with them.
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And you got to have a conversation so that they can
talk back and you want them to come to you and not be afraid to
have conversation with you. Right?
To have that open dialogue. Excellent.
Excellent point. Excellent point.
I think the Eric go ahead and wrap this.
Yeah. Everyone, we just want to thank
you again for coming on the show.
The Links will be in the description where you can
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purchase the book and find out more about the foundation or the
charity. Everyone like we say each and
every week support our troops.
Hey everybody, Eric Castle off here.
So today's episode of the podcast deals with some very
serious issues that of the opioid crisis going on in our
country, if you or anyone, you know, is suffering from opioid
addiction, please call the Narcotics Anonymous hotline.
(00:21):
The phone number is 1-888-936-3264 Number again, one
eight hundred nine. Nine two 0401.
There are people there who want to help you or your loved one.
Hello everybody and welcome to the something.
(00:44):
Something podcast, my name is Eric Castle often with me as
always is Larry Sands. How's it going?
Larry everything actually everything is great Eric, thank
you for asking okay? So Larry usually we're pretty
funny and silly on the show and you know maybe if we have time
to balance this will do a goofy episode at the same time.
(01:08):
This one goes up but we In a lotof wars in our country right now
and not the kind that take place, you know?
Like the way you normally would there's a war amongst our people
and one of the biggest is with the opioid crisis, right now,
(01:29):
that is destroying so many livesbecause it's not just hurting
the person who's addicted. It's hurting the people.
Around them. I remember when I had one of my
surgeries a while ago, I got scared because I like the way
(01:50):
the medication made me feel and it terrified me and I was like,
oh Lord, please help me. And then I thought, man, what is
it? Like for people who don't have
who get caught him to this? And well, you know what,
introduce our guests because they are there in the mist of
this battle. Yeah, Kami wolf rice.
(02:15):
Thank you for first of all beingon our show and and talking
about this, this crisis and moreimportantly, I think your book I
think Is it safe to say that Ann?
And I know you know, looking at your website and things your and
(02:40):
definitely an advocate for opioid addiction, but I think
more importantly you are an advocate for inspiration and
Striving to be the best you everyday in the face of
(03:03):
adversity. Honestly, thank you very, thank
you for that. Appreciate it.
Welcome, you're very welcome. Um, Palace Tell us about your
book and what, what brought you to write your book in the first
place? Okay.
(03:24):
Yeah, I never honestly thought Iwould ever be an author but I
had such a desire to reach, massive amount of people and I
thought writing the book would enable me to do so, you know,
this story, unfortunately startsas a tragedy and so I Taken my
(03:46):
pain to purpose and that is the key message for everyone out
there. That's listening if you're
dealing with any kind of pain for me, losing a child, is the
most. I can't even describe it.
And so, when I wrote the book, it's called the flight, my
opioid journey and I, you had touse a metaphor because it's so
(04:09):
hard to explain as a mother. What it feels like to be to lose
a child, because there is nothing.
Is not even a word for it in a dictionary, you know, for when a
parent loses a child, you're an orphan or your, you know, Widow.
But there's no word for when a parent loses the child.
And so I used the airplane as our journey of life and we will.
(04:31):
We people leave our flight were not expected to leave our flight
wheel and different places in our life.
We land at happiness. We landed success, we land at
grief. We landed illness And you have
to keep flying, right? You got to, you got to keep
going on that journey and keep the fuel, and sometimes you're
circling and circling and circling and trying to land,
(04:53):
right? And so I used kind of an
out-of-body Fiction with nonfiction.
If you will, I definitely share my story but I wrote it in such
a way that the reader thinks about your own Journey.
You know you think about your own trials and tribulations and
how you keep flying on that on that journey of life.
You know, my son I wanted to be a Navy SEAL.
(05:16):
I mean, disciplined just super book, smart, just, you know,
disciplined and he was diagnosedwith a colon disease, ulcerative
colitis. And, you know, this was right
back in the days when Purdue Pharma released, the wonder drug
that was supposed to be non-addictive.
And he had to have his large intestine removed, and we went
(05:39):
home with 90 oxycottons followedby 90 more.
So yeah, and we didn't know, youknow, and, you know, we as a
society, we say, we think the answer is in a pill.
Be, we don't question doctors and, and I'm not bitter against
doctors, they were told it wasn't addictive.
(06:01):
And you know, this is big, big business gone, really, really
bad. You can blame a lot of people.
And if I took all that hurt and if I turned it into anger,
what's that going to do, right? That's why I had to turn it into
a purpose. And how do we help people?
How do we educate people? How do we make them aware that
when you're in a Health crisis because that's lie somebody in
(06:22):
your family or do you like you were talking about Eric at the
beginning? You have a Health crisis and and
you don't ask questions and evenwith Dennis, Dennis are some of
the highest per quiet. Prescribers not all dentists,
but there's no reason. If your child is having a root
canal or their wisdom teeth pulled, you don't need to go
(06:43):
home with 30%. Percocet and many addiction
start with that first prescription.
Yeah, and the thing is, we talked with a lot of holistic
medicine, people. And I made a point that, you
know, people think when you takea pain pill it takes away your
pain. It doesn't.
It gets you high that you don't know you're in pain for that,
(07:08):
whatever the length of the medicine happens, it's doesn't
take your pain away. That's right.
And actually, you know your bodydoesn't know go, no not doesn't
your body doesn't know where to go to fix the paint right?
If it's so mad and, you know, there's a lot of side effects
that they don't talk about when you get an opioid constipation,
(07:30):
you know, there can be many, many side effects.
And so now, I want to make clearif you have a horrific car
accident, God forbid, or whatever the case may be, and
you to be on an opioid, That's all right.
You just need to know that it's not the answer for chronic pain.
It is something that you need toknow how fast you need to taper
(07:53):
off. So you don't become addicted to
that opioid, right? And they are coming out with
many different Technologies. Many different solutions for
people with chronic pain. I have some people get mad at me
that if they have a chronic painand they're on opioids and they
get very angry with me. But I'm speaking the truth.
It's not a sustainable. A long-term solution to be on
(08:15):
opioids. Long-term period, period.
Actually, let's kind of take it.Where you know, everybody has
their truth. Everybody has different
experiences. Everybody has different things
that they're going through in life.
And I think I think it's I thinkit's not wrong, I understand it.
(08:43):
But much like we love Eric and Ion our show to talk to people
and we love to listen, their, totheir stories and where they
are, where they came from. And it's part of The Journey of
of everyone to have an opinion about everything.
(09:10):
I, I know that just from talkingand listening to you Kami and
it's so true because when you talk about when anybody talks
about their story and it's whether it's happy or sad, you
start thinking about things in your life.
Life and and I think that's the one thing that that makes us all
(09:35):
the same is our stories because no matter where we came from, no
matter where we are, we still have a story that connects us
all answer. I really appreciate you just and
we just started the show but butto know your resolve, and you're
(10:08):
one of my trying to say, Your love for your son.
And your passion for dealing with the opioid fight the
addiction fight, any addiction, any inspection, any addiction.
(10:32):
And yes, it can happen to anybody and I try not to make
excuses in my life for anything.I really face what I need to
face because I think that's worth what we all have to do.
Because we all have to answer tous to ourselves and look
ourselves in the mirror. And I don't know where I'm going
(10:56):
with this. But but it's one of those things
where we all have to embrace each other and When you?
When you talk about the opioid crisis in situations because
(11:18):
you've been on a lot of places, right?
We've done a lot of things Ben and talks.
What what has the reaction been to to you and your message?
Well, I think that if everyone you know, the stigma is so real
in our country and we have to break the stigma because silence
kills. And that's the main reason I
(11:40):
speak. Any time I can get a mic
Microphone, I will speak wherever schools police
officers, podcast interviews, because it took me two years to
say that my son overdosed. Why?
Because it's sickening an Assad is assist.
I wanted my son to have a respectable death.
(12:02):
My son was not what people thinkof when they think of the word
addict and we have to change thelanguage.
It's drug abuse, its addict, these are all Negative
connotations of people. And this this this guy bought
substance misuse for 15 years went to multiple rehabs spotted
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every single day and so when I saw you know, and I had a I
supported him the whole way and I still lost the battle.
You see, he still lost his life at 32.
And when I had to wait two yearsbefore I would even tell family
that my son overdosed because I didn't want them to think back.
Bad of Christopher and I knew I had to come out and I had to be
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transparent, I needed to be authentic so that I can save
other people's lives. Because when your child has
cancer, neighbors are bringing over casseroles.
Nobody bring it over a casseroleto me because they didn't know
to bring the casserole. You see?
And so we've got to support eachother as a community, as people,
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because the number one thing that helps somebody that's
fighting addiction. It's alcohol, whatever third
addicted to, it's the connectionof people.
It's giving them love. It's letting them know that
they're not alone ever. And so when you and you know,
and you look at that, you know, there's two things going on.
Number one, this is our own DEA in Washington.
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D.c. I went to a meeting.
They said our country is under achemical warfare attack.
So you've got the opioid epidemic but then the The other
thing you have going on is fentanyl, and what's happening
with fentanyl is look, let's be wrong.
Let's be real about it. Everybody is experimented with
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drugs in college and whatever wherever you are, you
experiment, you're curious. You want to try things.
The difference with experimenting with street drugs,
today is the street drugs are poisoned, and it's, it looks
exactly like the real pill. So people think they're taking
one Percocet, they think they'retaking one's an For anxiety.
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And it's a street drug and it looks just like the Xanax
prescription out of the bottle. And it's got fentanyl just a
little salt Speck of Fentanyl, and they die.
And there are thousands and thousands and thousands of
people dying within all poisoning.
So you got the opioid epidemic over here and you got the
fentanyl poison and it's scary and that's why we got to be
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speaking out about this to warn people.
You can experiment, those drugs or poison.
Now Now it's in everything and that's what's really scary,
right? Oh yeah.
You know and I feel that becauseit's everywhere and because
people hear it and there is somekind of a stigma.
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I feel that everybody that hearson the news.
And here's about it on social media is.
So, so far removed and it's one of those things where if it's,
this is, and this is a horrible part.
If it's not happening to me, it ain't happening.
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And I think that is well go ahead, go ahead.
I think we're not all as far removed as we think we are well,
I mean, statistically, all of usprobably You know, someone who
knows someone that is, you know,battling this because the dang
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about a good addict is you'll never know like the worst of the
worst alcoholics, the ones that scare me the most are the ones
that can be around people and act normal.
You know, those are the ones that I that are.
I feel more bad for them than I do.
The ones I see on the street outside.
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Outside of the liquor store because data and learn how to
master problem. That's right.
That's right. They're functioning with it, you
know. Serving addict is scarier than a
non-functioning at it. And, you know, the deal is you
need to peel back the onion because they're self-medicating,
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there's a root cause in there, that made them, start
self-medicating to begin with. And, you know, we're starting to
understand the importance of Mental Wellness, you know,
mental Fitness in our brain is just as important.
And how many people are struggling with anxiety and
depression and and you know, andso I got to tell you guys, you
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know, we'll just there's one thing.
I definitely a message. I always want to get make sure
we get through and we had reallygood, great news last week
because Narcan is a nasal spray and it saves somebody if they
are overdosing and my big. Yes.
And it just now And it should have been done many years ago,
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but we're not going to complain about that because the bottom
line is the FDA just now approved it to be over the
counter and when I say everyone should carry Narcan, I mean that
like everyone should carry Narcan, they are training
servers at coffee shops across the United States because so
many people have overdosed in bathrooms at coffee shops.
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So I'm telling you gas stations were ever again.
They might just taken a Xanax oran Adderall or whatever and they
thought it was a legit. They got it from a friend that
said, it was okay. But that friend got it from
somebody else and it's got fennel in it.
And here's the thing, let's say Larry, I see Larry and I think
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he's overdosing and I thought, Idon't know, I'm not a doctor.
What if he's not overdosing? What if I do sis Narcan?
And it's not an overdose, we will not hurt him.
Okay? So you can still administer.
It's just a nose. Pray that you go in each
nostril, there's a simple video on YouTube of how to administer
Narcan, it's very simple. You can save a life by carrying
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Narcan. So I really wanted to get that
message out there why we're talking about.
But no is it so important for everybody to understand and you
know a lot of parents that own it would be my kid.
Well maybe you don't have Narcanfor your kid because your kids
never made a mistake. Maybe you just have it for the
neighbor that it's your friend'sfriend or you know, if you look
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Right, so just just carry it just to have it just in case,
right? I think that's so important.
Now, let me ask you this now, can you go?
And, and I would assume you could go to any drug store,
Walmart CVS, Walgreens Target, and do you hat?
Does it have to be a prescription?
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No, that's what just got approved over the counter.
So it is okay, so you can pick it up.
There's an arc and just in case they just approved it they just
approved it in Kentucky the fentanyl deaths or so bad they
had vending machines with Narcanand in 24 hours the vending
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machine was empty. Yeah.
It's that bad and I don't think people realize someone's dying
every 11 minutes with fentanyl poisoning.
No they don't. I don't realize that that's It's
all over the country. I mean, there was a story of mom
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in Colorado, she had a slumber party for 14, year-old boys and
this was Snapchat. Reaching out to the kids.
They weren't they weren't looking for it.
And they were saying, hey, do you want to try something that's
going to make you laugh and dance all night?
They delivered it to the house, the mom went to the basement,
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the next morning, Every kid was dead.
Every child of the summer party died.
All 14 year olds. They didn't leave the house.
It was delivered to the house. It was they they're approaching
kids on Snapchat, that's how real this is, and people don't
understand. It's hitting every age.
It's the number one killer from 18, besides the school
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shootings, of course. But it's, it's really the out of
control and I don't think peoplerealize that.
No, no, they don't, they don't, you know, and it's unfortunate
Because the news only covers what they want you to know,
right? Yeah.
That's that's the unfortunate part.
I think it's highly important because I have a nice, right?
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I have a niece who is, you know,under 10?
She loves to watch YouTube and, you know, I think, I think it's
the parents, their job still to watch over their kids and to
monitor, not only social media, YouTube, but what they're
watching on TV, who their friends are and and, and it
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blows my mind that to hear that.And of course, I mean, I, you
know, I don't, I don't live my life on Instagram, I don't live
my life on social media, so I don't know, but I can only
imagine some of the things that go on social media and and, you
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know, for for all this talk about see now I'm Getting all
worked up for all this talk about the government looking
after. And one, you know, these things
from Facebook and Instagram in Snapchat.
What are they doing? What are they actually doing?
What are they actually do besides sit around and complain
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about complaining? What do they actually do?
Nothing I don't ya nothing. So there's over 25,000 moms that
are going to be on the White House steps protesting on on
September 23rd. I mean, that's probably going to
be more than 25,000. I mean, they're coming from all
over the country. Yeah, yeah.
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It's sad. They, there's one mom that has a
charity and she she does Billboards to bring awareness.
There's 150 kids photo composed on a billboard and they fill up
three Billboards every week. Wow.
Just at their state just at their state.
So yeah, I think, you know, building awareness to that.
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And you know, here's you know everybody has a swim Lane when
it comes to this because there'sso many different ways you can
go. And so I decided there wasn't
enough being done for prevention, how do we stop it
before it starts? Because we all know the ones we
know that are addictive. You're addicted.
The rest of your life. That's a journey.
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You have to fight every single day.
So So how do we stop it? So it does never start right
right? Right.
And so what? Because Christopher had a Health
crisis and was in the hospital and I felt like there's a
missing team member on the healthcare team and hospitals.
Let me show you this. In our society we have coaches
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for everything, right? We got executive coach sleeping
coach, birthing coach football, coach baseball.
Everything Fortnight with coaches, right?
But when you're in a Health crisis, you don't have a coach
to help you with pain managementto help you with anxiety stress,
depression. PTSD, you have all those things
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if you're in the hospital. So we developed.
Christopher, wolf Crusade is my nonprofit.
I did it in my son's name and we've had a clinical trial
because you have to have the data to create a position in
healthcare, and it's called a life care, specialist there in
the hospitals. They are you know if when you
have the Health crisis there your coach they're going to come
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in, they're going to talk about.Here's all the Alternatives of
things you can do for pain. Besides take a pill, they're
going to help you manage your your you know, your pain
management. They're going to give you
techniques to help with anxiety,stress depression.
And and there are care coach because nurses and doctors don't
have time to do that anymore. Yeah you know they don't have
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the time so we're excited about it.
We just got Million dollar Grantto roll it out in rural
communities because rural communities across our country,
have hardly any access to healthcare.
So we're rolling the position. There we are at Grady Hospital
in Atlanta. We've just moved into Sickle
Cell unit. We're an Orthopedic Trauma.
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So if you have a car accident. So anyway my goal and hear me
loud because my goal is to have these, like Care Specialists and
hospitals across the country. And I will make sure it gets
done. Wow, I'm kind of speechless.
Yeah, it's a great job because Ican't get you look at you doing
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what other people only wish or talked about or oh gosh.
Wouldn't it be great? That's That's a no.
You said something earlier. You could have just been angry
and do nothing but you did something, what that anger, you
could have just gotten bitter atthe world and not try anything
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again fall into addiction yourself but you got addicted to
trying to stop this, which is socommendable.
Now I can't stand big Pharma. I honestly So you do feel.
This is a thing with me. I do feel.
There is a cure for every disease.
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It's just there's more money in treating a disease than there is
in curing it. So has there been any bite from
Big Pharma coming after you and what you're trying to do because
the second you mentioned, you know, Alternative Care.
Now, whatever you think about, you know, medical marijuana Or
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whatnot. It is for some people.
It is a suitable substitute whether it be the gummies.
But again we have to remember the reason why you marijuana was
vilified in this country is because William Morris thought
it was going to take away from his Lumber Fortune because hemp
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is a better rope than regular, you know, paper rope, how much
of a fight are they putting against you for this?
Not onwards so far. No, I think.
Because I am in a hospital, I'llshow you the cops justification.
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If two people don't come back tothe emergency room after they've
been discharged from the hospital.
If two people don't come back tothe emergency room for pain
management, that's paid for the life care, specialist for a
year. So, I show a cost savings to the
hospital to help. They can save money by managing.
Seeing their patients pain, right?
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And by providing that service, it is political you're right?
I mean, big Pharma definitely medical marijuana's definitely
political I sit on a medical marijuana board to try to be the
voice to say, you know, there are places for this.
So you got to look outside the box when it comes to managing
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pain and not, it's not all one size.
Fits all how you deal with pain might be different than how I
deal with pain. I am dealing would pain right
now. My hip is killing me and you
know, I'm trying to think how can I go you know fix this
problem? Uh-huh!
Uh-huh. Yeah I mean you know and that's
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really I base this position on everything.
Christopher didn't have all the hospital visits and everything I
didn't have as his caretaker andthat's what this role is.
And you know it's and you know what?
There's a position similar to Tothat in children's hospitals.
It's called a child life specialist, there's 6,000 of
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them across the United States but when you're an adult and you
go to an adult Hospital, nothing.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, it and it's you just said you took what creators,
right, writers musicians and actors.
They take all this stuff and they put it into their creative
life. You actually just took all your
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emotional stuff and you actuallytransferred it and and your it's
really Work in progress of yes, will life.
And in the things that you're doing and how can, okay?
This is how can, how can can, okay?
This is would be weird. Is, can normal people get
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involved to help you somehow andthe normal people is everybody
listening us that actually want to to do something, but we just
don't know what to do because there's so many things in there,
so many things being Talked about, but now we have you and
y'all making it happen. Thank you, sweetie.
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What can, what can we do to helpget involved?
Well, thank you, I appreciate that.
So, first of all, if you, if youget the book, all proceeds of
the book, every single penny of the profit goes to the charity,
so that will help me to expand this position in hospitals
across the country. If you get the book, some people
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don't like to read. Okay, so what I did in the book
and the only reason I knew to dothis is because a covid, it was
just one of those freaky things and I think I'm the first author
to ever do it. I'm super excited, but I have QR
codes, all through the book and so I can constantly keep the
information updated and so if you don't read after every
chapter, you can scan the QR code.
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And I come on on video. And I talked about relapse and I
talked about actions for families and how you can support
your loved ones that they're addicted.
Then, in the The back of the book, there's a resource library
and I keep that resource Libraryconstantly updated.
So, for example, let's say a momis listening right now and they
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know that their child is suffering, the teenager or
whatever. Their 30-year old is suffering
with addiction. Maybe they drink too much and
you get super defensive when they when you try to talk to him
because you're the mom, right? There are tools and resources
for families like partnership toend addiction.
For example, they have tons of resources.
That are free free for parents to reach out and they'll tell
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you how to talk to your kids, how to have conversations, how
to talk to your loved one, how to have an intervention, you
know, so you need that support system again, you need that
support, right? So, I will say, you know,
purchasing the book would be great.
It's on Amazon, it's on Barnes and Nobles.
Like I said, I'm going to constantly keep it updated with
updated information, all the proceeds, go to the charity.
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And, you know, my goal for this,this year, I took pieces of the
life care specialist role and it's called a care coach
certification. And I just launched it this week
with college students because caught to me, every family
should have a health Advocate, you got to have a health
Advocate to take care of yourself your family because
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life's going to happen. Somebody in your family is going
to get sick. They're going to have to go in
the hospital. They're going to have to have
whatever and so every family needs to help out of it get.
So my goal is to make it that Everybody would have a care
coach in their family, right. So stay tuned for that.
I'll have to come on back on theshow once again.
Thanks for sure. Yeah heck yeah.
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Okay I know and I'll start this.I know what it was like.
When I lost my dad. I had a decision to make, I
could be sad and think about it for the rest of my life.
Or. I could.
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Find a way. To move on in a positive way, in
a strong way. How how I did that?
I don't know. I really don't know.
I know, you know, there's a lot of people out there like right
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now, you know, struggling to find Answers to a lot of
different questions but Cami foryou.
What would you tell that person that's listening or watching for
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that matter? Is there any is there anything
that you could say? I don't know.
But what would you tell that somebody right now?
That they must they do it. Should they do it?
They need to do it. I don't know because everybody's
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different, but for you what would you say to those people
right now? So that's a great question.
Super great question Larry and you're right, there's a lot of
people that have lost People covid-19 were the case may be
what I will say is grief, you'reright grief does it, it never
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goes away and it's not gonna go away.
It's not something that you get to the end of the tunnel and
you're like better. Its it, it takes its own path
and it's okay. Like, I can walk by
Christopher's picture at 2:00 inthe afternoon, and I can look at
his smiling face and say, hey, baby and smiling.
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And I can go by that same picture, five hours later,
involved around and cry, leavingthem that later, I'm guessing,
you know, I'm a little later. Yes, and it's okay.
It's okay. You have to let it out.
You have to let it out. But what I will say, Obviously
purpose, definitely helps, and it doesn't have to be starting a
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charity. It doesn't have to be doing
something humongous. Anytime you do anything to help
somebody else or help out. Out in any way.
It makes your heart feel better and it gives you purpose that
helps me for sure. I know.
And I quote oblate, you know, obviously, none of us, know know
what happens when you die. We think.
We know we all have our different beliefs.
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I know, for a fact, your spirit lives on, because I've gotten
way too many signs for my son, but had to be from him.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Like, they just had to be and I will have a full-on
conversations with him and and and you know, and I and I
welcome that, you know, that youtalk to your loved ones because
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they're going to give you those signs that you're looking for,
but it does take its own toll and it's okay.
I think the bigger message is What is the answer?
You've got to be connected to people and what the people that
have loved me and embraced me iswhat's helped me get through it
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and you got, you need love, you know, you really need it at
connection with people that helpyou with your grief and people
that understand and there will respect it, right?
Yeah. Oh that's like the most
important thing because I think and I think everybody has
somebody that that They know that they can be actually
honest, and just let it go and be, however, it's going to be
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whatever that looks like, you can't fix it, you can't fix it.
And it's more like here the things not to say to somebody,
you know, like, all they're in abetter place, or is it better
now that it's five years? Is it getting better Kami?
No, no. It's harder because it's been
five. You know what I mean?
So it's really Me knowing what not to say to somebody.
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That's lost. Somebody, that's hurting,
really? They just want a listening ear
sometimes. Sometimes you just want somebody
to listen to you, so that you can just be there for somebody.
Be in the mud with them, you know?
Yeah. Oh my gosh.
I will say one thing that man, Pennies from Heaven.
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That's what I find. Yeah, yeah.
I get God wings. I call him.
God wings, I talk about it in the book, you know, when I talk
about a lot of stuff, I mean, I had a home invasion.
I think about a lot of differentthings.
I talked about forgiveness in the book and hope and, you know,
it's why I like, share Christopher Story, I share my
journey. I'm also pretty raw about things
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that I feel like I made mistakeson, but it made me who I am.
And I feel like the more vulnerable I could be, it would
help other people not beat themselves up, you know.
And so I try to, you know, it's the book is about a lot of
things. It became, it took a life of its
own to be honest with you it really did.
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It just took a life of its own and I'm super proud of it.
And, you know, I know you guys are in the creative, you know,
film and all that. I'm telling you guys, I see it
being a movie. I see this book being a movie
and you got to read it so you gotta let me know what you
think, but I really really see it.
You know, I noticed you guys dida podcast with Anthony war and
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he says, all I see. Are you have a Michelle?
Yeah and so we've had conversations about it, you
know, because I really do see the book becoming a movie.
Wow. That's very interesting.
That's very interesting. You know, I think I believe I
believe everything has a purpose.
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I believe we're where we are because we have to be where we
are, and we have to go through things to be who we are.
And, you know, it's it's it's not it's not horrible, but I
think is the first step for giving ourselves You hit that
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you're gonna get, you're gonna blow my story in my book about
that because that's exactly whatI had to do.
I had to forgive myself Larry, because I didn't, I wasn't able
to save my son, you know? Yeah.
Jimmy. Okay, I think we all need a
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minute. This is what really is, you
know, it's it's about it's aboutgoing.
This is and this is why it wouldbe a perfect freakin movie.
It's about, it's about life and then the tragedy, and then the
Redemption and then the inspiration of it all, and the
way that you move on, at the beginning of what happens is,
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not necessarily, it doesn't haveto be The place it just yeah,
yeah. I mean I honestly so interesting
you brought that up. I've done so many interviews and
nobody's ever done that Larry. You're the first and that's
good. No, no.
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Well yeah that too. But you know you nailed it.
The Forgiveness. Peace.
You know you nailed it. Like that's that's what I had to
do because you know, when you'rea mom you want to say that you
want to fix and And I felt like I let him down, but I was not
able to save him you know. And why did I not understand
that 90 oxycottons? Like I was crazy like I just was
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they said every four hours I didexactly what they said to do.
And you know what, when your sonis suffering and pain, you want
the pain to go away and, you know, all these things going in
and would have could have, should have been if I had tried
this or if I did done that, you know.
And, you know, I didn't even mention but, you know,
Christopher and I were on it, weWere on a mission trip in
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Cambodia, and he passed away in Cambodia and I had to get his
body back and I had to fly on anairplane with him underneath me
for 24 hours, you know. So it was, it was a brutal
brutal, brutal Journey. But I really feel like he
sacrificed his life so that I could be doing what I was doing,
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what I'm doing. Because I know God knew I wasn't
going to stop and whether that'sGod, Allah Buddha, it's not any
of those things, that's all of those things, whatever, you
believe that higher power is that has been my strength that
has been. And I know in my heart, I can't
explain it except that it's a fire inside of me that I get up.
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I do this six. Hours a week for free.
Because God knew I was not goingto stop because I'm out, they've
another mother for feeling this way.
Another father for feeling? This way, if I can save a life,
no better job in the world than that and I wouldn't be doing
this. Had Christopher not died.
I'd be doing something else. You know, I wouldn't be doing
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this. So it was, it was like I was
chosen to do this work, you know.
Yeah, that's pretty heavy. You think it is.
That's, you know. Again whether it's fortunate or
unfortunate, we all have gone through what we've gone through
to be right. It Cammy, I you are absolutely
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right, if If you didn't write the book, we wouldn't Tony.
Yeah. What's been the response that
you've gotten from people? Amazing.
It's been all across the board, you know, interesting things
like that had nothing to do withopioids or anything.
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I had a mom say, you know, I beat myself up because I got
divorced and failed at marriage and you made me feel like it was
okay. And then I had another mom, you
know, the whole forgiveness peace was huge.
I had a guy say you know I read your book and I'm going to start
my own business. I've been putting it on hold and
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you gave me the inspiration to start the book or just start my
own business. And I was like, wow, that's
nothing to do with losing. A kid, has nothing to do with
the opioid epidemic, but it inspired him to go do something
that he was sitting on the sidelines and wasn't in the game
doing. So it's really gotten an
interesting different perspective, the healthcare
industry like nurses and stuff. Doctors they're reading it
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going. This is the solution.
You know, because I write about life care.
Specialist, a one chapter and they're like, this is the
solution. This is what is missing.
This is the answer to rural Healthcare, so I'm beyond
excited. I just got to get out there more
and more, and more, and more andmore.
How do I get? How do I reach the masses?
How do I reach the masses? And I just do what I'm doing
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right now. Yeah, Just girl, you just keep
going because you know what? Again the and it's so true that
when you say when the light whenyour book took off and in and it
took off on a flight, a flight from its own and it it matters,
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but it really that's the thing that brings us all together is
our experiences and our emotional self.
And the love for one another. And those are the things that
are probably the most inspiring.And that's why it doesn't
surprise me that people come up and go.
I can't, I can't relate to anything, except I started my
(44:32):
business. I started this, I started that
I've done this. I've done that all because of
your book and I, but I can, I can imagine, I can imagine but I
can't even imagine all the people that You've helped
because as he your son, he really is with you two and
(44:54):
exactly. Yeah.
You know, he's doing all of thiswith you.
It's not you doing it on your own.
No, no, you've got bad thumbprint round my neck and I,
where's Brent, you know, and sometimes I'll just rub on it
and, you know, and I'm thinking about something or, you know, I
got a big speech coming up or whatever and I just say, yeah,
(45:14):
you know, give me the words. Help me out here.
And, you know, it's I know that my son is at peace.
It's the missing. If the missing him walking in
the door, it's the missing him hug me.
It's the missing him is the is the grueling pain, but I know
that he's in peace and he's not in pain anymore because he
(45:37):
suffered a life, you know, so that that brings peace to it as
well, you know. Yeah.
And you know I will say That when, when you are in a, in a
hospital situation, when you do see your loved one, like, it's
hard, it's hard. Yeah.
It's it's extremely hard and I think, you know, my wife, she is
(46:03):
a great advocate for herself when she goes into the hospital.
Because she's learned, and I've learned, it's almost and whether
it's right or wrong, you know? When something happens to your
loved one and they're not hospital, it's like you just
kind of go on autopilot because you don't know, you don't know
(46:25):
what's happening, you don't knowwhat's going on.
And you listen to the people that you trust the most, which
are the people that walk in the nurses, the doctors and you
trust them to have your best interest, which I think they do,
but they just don't have the time and that's why Cami you
(46:45):
are. Oh, very important.
You are. So very important to things that
you do things that you're doing.Well, it's not about me, but I
appreciate all the accolades. You've given me that I am me.
Make me feel like, you know, I want to go and I want to keep
going and I'm going to, it really is so much bigger.
It's yeah, it's so not about me,but I think the girl to us,
(47:06):
you're driving the ship. You are the cat, flying, the
plane that you are flying a plane.
And I mean this, I say this to everybody but rarely do they
come back on or we reach out buthonestly, the repeat offenders,
(47:27):
we call them. Yes.
Yes, we would, we would love to have you on and anything that
that you want to talk about. I have something I'm gonna
mention off mic as soon as we'redone like they need to talk
about anything. You want to come on and talk
about Please do. Thank you so much, guys.
(47:48):
I mean, giving me this platform you don't understand how much I
appreciate that. Like, this is what it's about
one person's life. At a time, I promise you who
there's somebody out there listening right now and they're
going to get help because of this by listening to this, and
it's there for themselves or fora loved one.
You guys by having me on, we're together, collectively saving a
(48:13):
life right now and we don't evenknow it.
We don't even know it but that'swhy it's all about building
awareness. Making it okay to talk about
breaking the stigma, you know, just being there for each other,
right? Yes.
Yeah. I really highly important.
(48:33):
What I was going to say. Oh my gosh, I just know that.
You really are amazing. So thank you.
Thank you. And have a great thing, you
know, you're helping people. That's the main thing that
matters. You know, we do a lot of silly,
(48:54):
goofy stuff on the show and talkto a lot of people and we
usually do an end-of-the-year wrap up and I know that this is
going to be the episode, we bothlook back on the most.
So where can Everybody by the book.
Thank You Amazon. It's the flight my opioid
(49:18):
Journey, Cami wolf rice and thenwe're also on Barnes and Nobles.
You can also go to my website Kami wolf rice.com and then also
we have our charity which is C, WC.
So it stands for Christopher, wolf Crusade dot Geo.
(49:39):
We have a lot of resources. Sources on our website.
All the interviews I've done is on the website, you can order
the book from the website. So encourage you, we have
merchandise again, all profits go to the life care specialist
program. So, I mean, I literally Yeah, I
do this because I want to save lives and so that's how you can
(50:00):
support. And I appreciate very much.
You promoting the book and all the work that we're doing here,
I will great. All the links that were just
mentioned will be in the description if you're listening
to this over on anchor and when the show goes up, we will put
all of those links on to our social media.
(50:20):
So you can, you know, get the book and more importantly, give
the book to someone. Is what I would say is the most
important thing. Yes.
And Eric. Before you before you do the
wrap-up, I know Cammy, we've talked about it.
What, what is the most importantthing that people listening
(50:43):
should carry with them? A Narcan?
Yes, order in order to be prepared because it's
everywhere. That's right.
What can parents do to be prepared the most readily?
And friends to be prepared for anything.
Definitely, I encourage everyoneto have Narcan.
(51:04):
We have a video of why you should carry and it's just, it's
just reason after reason. After reason, you just don't
know where you could be that it could happen and somebody could
be overdosing and they didn't know, right?
They took they took some one pill and one pill can kill you
know I spoke to a school last week and I took a little sweet
(51:26):
and low sugar. Jacket.
And I dumped it out on stage andI said, If This Were fentanyl
everybody in here would be dead,you know?
And they, you could hear a pin drop.
The kids were like, and they listened and they paid attention
like, they know that they're seeing their friends die.
You know. They're seeing things happen and
now they have Benton all strips out there.
(51:46):
If you are doing drugs I got a question from one of the kids in
the audience. Can I test my drugs?
And I was like, wow, that was pretty brave to do in front of
the principal and the teachers and Anybody but okay.
Yes there are fentanyl strips out there.
However it's kind of like playing Russian roulette because
you can get fake pills and 10 ofthem can have no fentanyl in the
(52:10):
11th pill does and it has just aspeck of paint on it kills two
it's 100 times stronger than morphine. 50 times stronger than
heroin. By the way, 80% of heroin users
started with a prescription 80%.So you get on that prescription
(52:30):
and you can't get the prescription anymore.
That doctors not going to fill it.
So you're going to go to the something cheap on the street
and get the heroin and then the heroin has been all in it.
Boom. You're gone.
So yes, everybody get Narcan. Everybody should carry Narcan.
It's it just got approved to be over the counter where you don't
have to have a prescription lastweek.
It might take a few days to get that in effect to where it will
(52:53):
be sold over the counter Narcan everyone.
It should carry it and and oh man we can go on and on and on
but I think it's also, if you have kids who are involved in
any kind of drugs or their friends, please be understanding
please. You have to you can't you don't
(53:14):
want them to make them feel bad,right?
You can't you, you have to be a supportive presence in people's
lives. And I think that's That's I
think that's all I'll say because I could go on and on.
Yeah. I mean, you don't want to be
naive as a parent. I've had parents come up to me
and say, you know, I my son, he swears he's never going to try
(53:38):
it. And my answer to that is well
you know there were Cadets from West Point that went on spring
break. I guarantee there's parents
never in a million years but youknow how hard it is to be a West
Point Cadet and they tried cocaine There was fentanyl in
it, so you understand. So don't be naive to think your
(53:59):
kid could not get under peer pressure, whatever the reason
and decide try So, don't be thatparent, and then it's too late,
right? Then it's too late and then
you're one of the moms with me. I don't want that.
So don't be afraid to talk to your kids.
Don't be afraid to you know, be real with them.
(54:20):
And you got to have a conversation so that they can
talk back and you want them to come to you and not be afraid to
have conversation with you. Right?
To have that open dialogue. Excellent.
Excellent point. Excellent point.
I think the Eric go ahead and wrap this.
Yeah. Everyone, we just want to thank
you again for coming on the show.
The Links will be in the description where you can
(54:43):
purchase the book and find out more about the foundation or the
charity. Everyone like we say each and
every week support our troops.
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