Nov. 02/25 - THE ALIEN ULTIMATUM - Is There A Hidden Agenda? w/ Jeff Selver

Tonight We Talk What’s The Alien Agenda, and Is there An Ultimatum?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's go. All right, welcome everybody's space Out Radio, the
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Salver joining this once again UFO experiencer contact d also
author researcher, we'll call them the researcher as well. We're
gonna get into some great talk here tonight for hours
one and two, and then we have Drew Banky with

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the amp hours wrap up our three Steve Doctor tells
and told Missing Person Mysteries, UFO. We're you just a
bunch of stuff. Make sure you don't go anywhere. You
keep it locked right here, and we're gonna waste no
time at all getting our guests on this stay here.
You know who he is, you've seen him before. Friend
of the show, mister Jeff silver A. Jeff, how are you.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Good, Robbia, Great to see you, happy to be back.
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Man, it's always awesome to have you. You're one of
the guys that I like to reach out to and
keep in that rotation because I think you speak well.
For one, you speak about the topic with passion, your experiences,
I can almost visualize them as you tell those stories,
as we'll see tonight, and just always great to have you.
So let's get this thing started. And obviously we've done

(02:34):
other shows before with you, but for someone who's walking
in tonight may not see these other shows, I kind
of want to let them know who you are, how
you got started in this, and you know, any experiences
along the way, that sort of thing. So if you
wouldn't mind starting there.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, sure, so right from the beginning, any of it. Yeah,
I can do it. So, yeah, thanks for having me, Rob.
My name is Jeff Selver, and yeah, the story goes
that back in my youth, I had a really weird
event happen that I can only frame as a consciousness event,
and that was back in nineteen ninety seven. I was
twenty years old, and basically it compelled me to leave

(03:14):
my life and it was kind of an ego to
death and it was a very strange consciousness event and
an alteration of myself. That's no other way to frame it.
When I listened to it, began traveling kind of living
like a hobo. Basically out of my car. But then
I started seeing objects in the sky, orbs and objects
in the sky started six weeks in I had a

(03:35):
close encounter with a red orb and it just kind
of continued like that. So there were several close encounters
and they were over two and a half year period,
and I didn't know I was having contact. That's basically it.
I didn't understand it. And then I met my two
be wife and it kind of ended the contact. She
led me to a sud guru, a Vedic traditional advita

(03:58):
Adanta Vedic sud gurum and not sorry, not thus I grew.
I always have to say that now not the YouTube guide,
but it's kind of a label. And that was it.
It was about that was the year two thousand when
that happened, and I kind of lived up my life normally.
And then by the twenty sixteen I was anchoring to

(04:18):
understand what had happened to me because I never found
an answer and it was too mysterious.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
By twenty nineteen, I didn't even so I didn't think
aliens and UFOs and the orbs and objects, they seemed
like they were spiritual things for me at the time,
almost like and I didn't even know spirits, I guess
is the only way I could frame it. So I
didn't understand it to be aliens. And I didn't really
know at that time either that orbs are the traditional

(04:45):
way that they kind of expressed themselves almost presently, you
think saucers at the time, back in nineteen ninety seven.
So yeah, I didn't have a clue what was happening,
and so by twenty nineteen I decided to go. It
was Jeremy Bells documentary on Bobblezar was grounded, got me
thinking about UFOs taking them seriously. And then I started

(05:08):
watching a YouTube channel that has people's anomalous objects that
they film, and once I started watching that channel, the
orbs that i'd seen traveling came back, and that was
the real kicker for me. And it's safe to say
it's really well documented now in many different locations. I

(05:30):
have a book and I also have a YouTube channel
where I kind of relay all that information. But the
quick version is is those orbs began communicating with me,
and now we have research that that's even possible from
the lay and Jack vale Rick Davis, So yeah, that's
what started happening. And it began a process of unraveling

(05:52):
a screen memory from that teenage period, and that unraveled
a series of contact events, one after the other. And
when it was all done, it turned out I had
a plethora of contact while I was traveling, but they
had also done a bunch before and set up that
consciousness event. And so what ended up happening is I
have a story now of twenty six contact events with

(06:15):
gray aliens. And yeah, they told me a lot, and
they actually wanted it into They themselves are the ones
who told me to write the book and tell the
world about what had happened to me, and I complied,
and that's that's my story.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
That is awesome, and I definitely want to get into
some of that as well to kind of you know, refresh,
you have to go super into detail. But I do
want to ask you. You talked about the Vedic philosophy.
So Vedic in for the radio ad is out there
and anyone out there taking notes is Vedic? Is v

(06:51):
is in? Victor E. D I see in case you
want to research this, But what is Vedic philosophy and
how does it tie into your experiences?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah? Good question. Uh, So Vidic philosophy originates in India,
but it's it's basically the scriptures, so Avite the Vedanta,
it's the Vedantic scriptures, so vedick is kind of the
short phrase for that, but it's it's the scripture set.
So they actually had a spiritual scripture set that is huge,

(07:22):
over one hundred and eight books, and there are some
classics that are part of it, so the Upanishads and
the Bug of a Gita. So the Bug of the
Gita is kind of a little bit more well known
and is the most traditional in the sense that it
contains the grand philosophy of what Invitdanta is all about
all the book scripture sets, so most people you can
learn everything about advite Vedanta from the Bug of Agita.

(07:45):
And the Apanishads is also really good as well too,
so and they're all The Upanishads is a scripture set
in and of itself, while the Bug of a Gita
is a story within the upon within the within. Basically
the Vedantic scripture set and the Bug of a Gita
is a battle between our Juna and Krishna, and it
is a philosophy of non duality is the core of it.

(08:10):
And uh, but it's it's it's it's a science. That's
the way I like framing it. So it is a
science of spiritual consciousness. It is the after you know,
twenty something years uh more as a spiritual going down
the spiritual road. It's it's the best on the planet.

(08:30):
I think that captures the spiritual science behind the consciousness.
And uh and with the four yogas fundamentally bucked the
yoga which is the science of worship, the science of devotion,
the science of loving higher, the higher power, if you will.
Karma yoga is the how to express it, how to
uh utilize that in everyday action. And uh Guyana yoga

(08:54):
is the knowledge, the seeking of of contemplation and knowledge.
And Uraja yoga is the basically you are God. It's
the fundamental non duality expression and those are amazing when
you kind of live to those. It doesn't matter what
your God is or what your higher call is. If
you can apply this to Christianity, you can apply this
to the Jewish tradition, you can apply this to you know,

(09:18):
to anything you can call you know your you can
have buckdi with gaya, right, so guya being the earth.
So yeah, it doesn't really matter. It ends up being
a science of how to handle consciousness, and I think
it's fundamental for humans. And so when it comes to
my contact with aliens, the bottom line is that they

(09:40):
did some things with me that made it look like
they knew I was going to be with a gurum,
just in the sense of how spiritually extreme, how consciousness extreme,
or dimensionally extreme? What the things that they did with me?
So they showed me the afterlife, I saw my oversoul,
and and so it helps me now frame, not frame,

(10:07):
but hold hold because a human can't really be exposed
to those things without having a way of containing it
or managing it or holding it. And so Advit the
Vedanta is like a meditation system that goes along with it,
plus a way of framing your internal experience that helps
balance these extreme dimensional experiences. So for me, it allows

(10:30):
and once you can balance it, you can go deeper,
you can go further. And what I mean balance, I
also mean grounding. So it's a lot of it's it's
a long term experience using the meditation practices from Advit
the Vedanta from Vetic philosophy, and it's focused meditation is
what they get you to do that helps me. You know,
pause the mind and allow me to have an extraordinary

(10:52):
experience outside of the mind. And that's really where I
think the real consciousness starts and the entities are there.
That's that's what they showed me, is that they are
beyond the mind and the human to understand these guys,
we're gonna have to go beyond the mind. So it's
a it's powerful how they kind of lined all that up.
And by the way, they led me to my sun Guru,

(11:14):
so they facilitated the movement from the traveling period to
meeting my wife, my to be wife. Me and my
to be wife. We saw a Ufo the night we
met and it was like a sign like be with
her and uh and and then she was already with
the guru. So they kind of like led me in
that direction. And now you see a big picture about

(11:34):
why they would do that. So that's the gist of it.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Would you say that this this also supports the idea
that we most of us have of a universal consciousness,
just an interconnectedness across the universe. And is that what
you mean by the reason why it would all religions
would essentially be able to support that as well.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, so non duality, the I. So the it's just
a word for many people. And the bottom line is
rob we share the same awareness, we share the same
fundamental consciousness. It's permeating through the universe. And we've kind
of fell into an illusion about our individuality. And our
individuality has actually been experienced not just this life, but

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prior lives. So we're very conditioned into our individuality. And
but higher consciousness is outside that individuality. And from the
things I've experienced, the things I've seen, the things I've witnessed,
it is nondual. The universe's nature is non dual. And yeah,
that means what that fundamentally means is consciousness is all things,

(12:41):
and you're attached attached to that, you're a part of that.
And and but it's the human braining right now that
we're kind of all structured into that is filtering that out.
And so we kind of believe or the body were
believe all the things that are important to our ego
or our mind are are are you know, we will
die for, But fundamentally we are not. That we're not

(13:02):
the body. And where the consciousness that permeates all things, Yeah,
you got it.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
And so you know these experiences for you, the twenty
six encounters, which we'll get into as well. They go
way back to the nineties. Ended I know for you,
I believe you said at twenty seventeen and physical.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I watched a video on your channel, which guys, you
should definitely go subscribe to Jeff Selvis channel. Awesome stuff there,
but you I think this was probably the first video
you posted on your channel, and it was your like
coming out video, and I thought that was special. I
thought that it was that the first video.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Is that the my name is Jeff Silvern, I'm coming
out as an alien contact. Yeah, yeah, that was the
first channel, the first video of my channel. It's cracked in.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Because what I was reading from that, I was I
was feeling like I was feeling like almost a hesitance in,
you know, and essentially take getting the pride to kind
of do the the the a It's maybe not the
word I'm looking for, but to to actually step forward
and admit what you had gone through. Was it tough

(14:10):
for you to kind of do that? And what was
the thought process when you were putting that video together?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah? Yeah, you got it, you got it's listen, it's
I mean, I appreciate. You know, I've been on several
times and and I'm very honored for all that, and
and I've been asked in other podcasts. But the reality is, yeah,
there's pushback everywhere. Every single step had pushback.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And and it's not just you know, it's not just
non believers. It's sometimes people are believers and they think
aliens are evil. So then they're attacking you and they're
making it difficult for you. And sometimes people are calling
you up and trying to convince you that great aliens
are demons, and and they're taking your time away because
and they're exhausting you. And yeah, so it's it's crazy,
it's it's actually really hard to do this publicly. Never Mind,

(14:58):
you know, this is still in two thousand, there wasn't
enough public support, so it was a threat to it
was a threat. But my family didn't like it at all.
And I just understood the gravity of what was going on.
I understood how intense this is, how real it is,
how important it is, how fundamentally needed it is this perspective,

(15:21):
and so I've been kind of gung ho about it.
But yeah, so I've been hesitant largely in my public sphere,
not thinking that that video would be anything more than
just my friends and my family who I know were
scowling and watching, and then there the video is to
you know, demonstrate that raw emotion that this is not

(15:42):
easy and it can definitely be super challenging for a
contacting to come out in this way, and especially to
just talk about what I talk about, which is seeing
the afterlife and twenty six contact events like most people,
like people will shun you just because it's twenty six
and it's not the one. You know, this would be
so much more easier to believe it was a single

(16:03):
contact event or if I felt if I called it
a dream that I couldn't quite understand, but it felt
like it in contact and people would believe me more. So,
it's all these problems that come along with this whole
sphere that I knew I was going to be facing
and and I couldn't have actually done it without the
entities flying around my apartment because there were many times

(16:24):
where I felt defeated and yeah, and you just keep
going at it and that's it and eventually it's you're
at in the state here now.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
So yeah, I just feel like it's a very important,
especially when you're creating these videos to connect with the
public about the phenomena. I think just that moment, a
lot of people end up facing that moment where it's like,
do I step out and say something about this, and

(16:55):
it's it's illustrated all over your face. I mean, you
could feel it generating from the video that is just
this is the moment where you made that decision, and
so you know, it's definitely something I think everybody should
go and look at, especially some who you know are
on the fence about talking to it. Maybe you haven't
opened up to your family about this, or you you know,

(17:15):
you're deciding if you want to speak publicly about your experiences.
I think j Just video is a great one to
watch maybe to inspire you to do that. And so
you heard he gave you the name the title of
that video. I recommend everybody go watch the video. I thought,
I thought it was pretty awesome and it stuck out
to me as one of the things that we should

(17:37):
talk about. But but but even going back, so so
you said that you know, you your experiences obviously were
some things you leaned on and and contact with with
an extraterrestrial presence, that kind of brought it motivated you
to get to a point to do that. Let's go
back then, let's kind of give everybody a brief thing

(17:59):
about out you know, the book that you put out,
The Rising in the Alien Plan to build an enlightened city,
your twenty six encounters. Let's let's you know, let's let's
go down that path real quick.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, yeah, sure, okay.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
So so the bottom line is I had childhood contact
event without my going and there were five contact events
there from as a child. I was picked up as
a baby like once you once to touch this stuff,
once you touch its realm, or or these guys what
it feels like to be in their presence. And that was,

(18:35):
you know, back back in twenty nineteen, and I kind
of started unraveling it.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I could feel I'd been picked up as a baby.
I could feel I could feel as a baby I'd
looked into one of their eyes. And and of course
that's the beginning of it. There was a baby contact event,
and then by the time I'm six, I think there's
three or four when I was six years old, and
then there's one more when I'm seven, and then it ends,
and then they come back when I'm sixteen years old,

(18:58):
and so I call that the first contact event. It's
really where the relationship starts. And I'm sixteen years old,
I'm basically coming home. I prayed to be abducted by aliens.
I read Whitley Streemer's book Communion, and I got you know,
it's funny. I got excited by it. And it took
me all these years later, the twenty years when I
start talking about the stuff publicly to learn many people

(19:21):
were terrified of the book. And so here I am,
as a teenager, loving hearing about this stuff, and I
wanted to be abducted. And now I can look back saying,
you know, I understand as a kid, I had those experiences,
and so I was generating some type of excitement for me.
And then they answered, and that's what it turns out
to have happened. And yeah, I was coming home and

(19:42):
from hanging with friends and they caught me. They got
me in the spot where it was really dark. And
the bottom line of to be quick with that contact
event is I made an agreement with them at that time.
First I was terrified, So for those who don't know
the story, I was definitely terrified, but having been on
craft as a kid. Yeah, made me kind of put

(20:03):
together that they weren't gonna harm me, and and that
they've been in my life. It's really hard to like
kind of put it together in your head in the moment,
so you're kind of understanding, Okay, wait, they're already in
my life, so okay, and they're not harming me, So
then then I guess I could trust this. So and
they were also answering things about my life at the time,
telling me that I was one of theirs, that I had,

(20:23):
you know, their DNA, something of theirs in me. So
I agreed to do this, and I didn't really know
what I was agreeing to, and and it seems like
it was a meant to be thing because it did
lead my life in a certain direction. And and I
agreed to make I made an agreement with them to
discover my soul. That's the base. That's way to framed that,
and that's how they mentioned it. So that was the

(20:44):
beginning of it. And in that contact event, an extreme
event happens, I got turned into an ORB and I'd
see the afterlife and it is bonkers. And but right
up there with real alien contact, alien contact can be
bunkers and then from there they store that it's and

(21:05):
that's really trippy too, And I now know that they
use timelessness. They stop time, so the physical tissue brain
isn't aware that it just had contact. So they're affecting
another part of you, which is maybe your spirit body.
I guess it's a way to frame that. And then
so they're doing all this alteration to you, they're storing it,
and then every time you're coming back to contact, your

(21:26):
memories come back and you flood in with the previous experiences.
So between nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety seven, there
were seven contact events that led up to this discovering
of my soul, this kind of consciousness event that they
would do. And yeah, the contact events are wild. There's
I experience a hologram device that looks up my mind.

(21:49):
I can see all my thoughts. So my thoughts are
layered out in this kind of ocean of the mind
is what they call it. And there's these floating thoughts
and I have to look at my subconscious because there's
the reason I'm smoking pot as a teenager is because
I'm trying to conform with my friends and they're showing
that to me. They're showing I have this conforming thing
in the bottom that is tied to feeling abandoned by

(22:09):
my mom when she had depression as a young baby
or yeah, I think it was a maybe three year
old or something. So it's sitting in my subconscious and
they're showing it to me. So it's stuff like that
that's going on, where they're developing me behind my life.
And what ends up happening in my world that I
document the time in nineteen ninety seven is I'm having
psychic content for the first time in my life. In

(22:30):
nineteen ninety seven, I'm experiencing a plethora of awareness expansion,
let's put it that way. And I don't know what
it's tied to. I think it's normal. I think if
anybody just read the books I read, they would have
experienced the experiences I would have had. And I was
lost and understanding why nobody was having the experiences I
was having, and what was really going on was they
were altering me behind my life. And it culminates the

(22:53):
end of nineteen ninety seven to the consciousness event. When
that happens, I start traveling and it gets even more
wilder so this consciousness event actually altered my body, altered
my physiology, so now it became valuable to them biologically.
And the year nineteen ninety eight has a plethora of

(23:15):
biological contact. So it gets really uncomfortable for me, and yeah,
it's that's awkward. But the bottom line is they start
telling me what they're doing and why they would even
do something like this with me. So they start showing
me hybrids. They start showing me that they plan to
put those hybrids on the planet, and they give me

(23:36):
some background about why they would do that.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
And let's stop right there real quick, Jeff, because we're
actually going into the first break of the night here,
so guys, make sure you don't go anywhere. We're gonna
have a fantastic show to night once again with Jeff
Silver Experience or UFO Contact. The author will be right
back after this great spaced out radio the half hours

(23:59):
Radio showed me host mister robb G s you're right
back here five minutes. All right, we are clear, We

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are clear, and let me actually go back here because
and I missed a whole I missed, I missed out.
Let me do this. I missed a plethora of viewers
and listeners out there, So let me go back in
the chat here. Okay, we got yeah, that's a day

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thing and and normally I don't get to use that word,
but okay, here we go. Roger Murray November fifth, nineteen
seventy five to twenty twenty five, fiftieth anniversary. Travis Walton,
Alien of Ducks in Wow, missing for five days. Roger
Murray's historian here. He keeps us informed, and that's always appreciated.

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You always want to walk out of a show with
more knowledge than you came in with, if possible. Who
else do we have out here? Who's snuck in the
back door? We have let's see bad, bad Frankie B.
I know, Frankie B. Now you're bad Frankie B. Okay,
all right, thanks for coming on in, Bad Frankie B.

(25:33):
Let's see here. Who else? Beno from OZ nineteen seventy five.
Appreciate you coming on in?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, good to see it. Bet On uh who else?

Speaker 1 (25:47):
The flat sixer? Flat sixer? Appreciate you coming on in
here tonight. Mike Jones, Who Mike Jones? Goodie? You appreciate
you coming on in Tonight's to the show. D Henderson, Hey,
Dee Henderson, thanks for showing on up here with the

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wavy hand emojis. Bob Thorson with the what is the
spot thing? What is that again? I forgot what that is?
Live long and prosperous and prosper Okay, that's right you
as well, Bob Thorson. Thanks for coming on in. Let's see.

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Miss Catherine Jones, Hey, appreciate you coming on in. Tonight's Delilah, Hey, Delilah,
appreciate you showing up. What else do we have here?
Pilgrim Society, thanks for showing on up tonight. We got
Terrence Wills, Rob g in the place to be fire emoji.

(26:51):
Thanks for showing on up here to the show. Let's see. Okay,
let me just drop this fun fact. Benal from says,
fun fact. When I saw Jeff on here a while ago,
That's when I started watching so R regularly and trying
to understand the Canadian and US cultures too. It's been great, fun, awesome.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Benel's great. Yeah, Bennel's around, love Beno.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Let's see who else e s F three five three Hey,
this is gonna be good. Yeah, it's gonna be good. Definitely,
don't go anywhere, Bring a friend, share this on social media.
Let's bring people in. Uh, let's see who else is
out there? Nicola Parsons, Hey, appreciate you coming in down

(27:40):
to earth. Common sense. That's what I'm talking about. That's
that says it all perfect name good Lord, you don't
need all this academia stuff. Give us your your guy
given common sense and logic to figure out and answer
some of these questions. It's crazy, it's crazy. Let's see

(28:02):
who else is out there? Necessary dialogue? All right, necessary dialogue?
Thanks for showing on up here, trying to get to
the end before the break is up? Who else is
out there? Did we say, Kurt M. I don't know

(28:26):
if we did, Kurt Am. Appreciate you coming on in,
Kurt M. Let's see Matt Gutka, appreciate you showing on up,
Matt gut Good. Thanks for coming in, Man, I know,
I said tomor Man Toama Man Keith. Thanks for dropping

(28:48):
Jeff's socials and stuff in the chat. Always awesome.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, thanks for that.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Let's see and guys, this is where you can go
see the awesome video I'm telling you about just coming
out video. You gotta go see it. You gotta go
watch it. It's like a fifteen minute video, totally worth
the watch. Let's see and for radio you may not

(29:17):
obviously see that. That's YouTube dot com forward slash at
Jeff J E. F. F Selver, s E l v
is Victor E R one eight one nine. Go check
the video out and let's see. I'm gonna make it too.

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Else is out here. I see Mark Eddie's name out
there somewhere. Hey, Mark Eddie, thanks for coming on in,
maker of stuff, Thanks for coming in. Christine, long time,
thanks for coming on in. It's been a minute. Let's see,
we're going about fifteen seconds fap, I see you out there,

(30:02):
a plethora of Plethora's you so far? Awesome? Awesome me, yeah,
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(30:23):
UFO E Spirits or Contact the author, amazing guy all
around and we're getting into some UFO talk. So make
sure you bring a friend, don't leave take notes as
well if you miss any of the time to say shot.
You could always rewind or go into archives, YouTube dot com, forward,
slash at space, stout radio. Getting back into the convo. So, Jeff,

(30:47):
you were talking about you got to nineteen ninety seven.
I think you were going into nineteen ninety eight if
you could pick up from that.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, sure, So, yeah, nineteen ninety eight was biologically heavy.
So again, that consciousness event that occurred in night ninety
seven altered my biology. So I remember being able to
heal faster, being sensitive to processed foods. I couldn't eat
chocolate bar without it without hurting my belly and feeling

(31:14):
the sugars in my body and flowing through my veins.
So yeah, it was like hyper sensitive to kind of impurities.
And I didn't think about it at the time. I
was just experiencing what I was experiencing and felt it
had something to do with this consciousness event. But it
had altered my biology and that became valuable to the entities.
So the contact events were biological. But yeah, it was

(31:37):
kind of like an exchange. So as they were taking things,
they gave me opportunities to ask questions and to learn
about them, and so yeah, there was some I guess
you could say, there were staged contact events where they
knew that I wanted information, so then they made opportunities
for that to happen, and they did share information with me.

(31:58):
So it was around the uh, excuse me, around the
hybrids and yeah, and their plans and some of their
ideas that they have for humans. And so then what
ended up happening was a so a building of a
picture was forming over contact events over years, and that
gets really weird too, or guess interesting is the best

(32:21):
way to frame that. So first, okay, the biological stuff
in nineteen ninety eight, it stops, so there's no more
biology technically there's one last one in nineteen ninety nine,
but in the early nineteen ninety nine. Then after that,
I am watching hybrids grow up. So then they end
up making me kind of feel connected to the hybrids,

(32:42):
not make me, but I end up, you know, interacting
with them. So first I see them as babies in
the year two thousand and then in the year two
thousand and one, I see them as young, young children.
And then and as these contact events are happening, they're
explaining more and I learned that, yeah, there were hybrids
on the planet a long time ago in some ancient era,

(33:05):
and so me and obviously others have certain DNA signatures
that they like, and that's the beginning of it. And
then they've interjected in our modern generational genealogy and still
enhancing DNA. So yeah, so we were type of something
that they really liked. That that was the reason why

(33:27):
we were in the program. The program that we were
in where they did what they did with me, and
that two thousand, the two thousand and one contact event,
it's actually my twenty third contact event. Happened in the
year two thousand and one. I meet the mantid or
whatever this thing is. I don't call it a manted
in my book because it didn't look like a bug.

(33:48):
But it's some type of leader species. I call it
the controller species because I think it has a much
larger role in what's about to happen. And yeah, it's
something else, man, it's some type of dimensional something. And yeah,
so it's the kind of architect of what had happened
to me over the last couple of years. So it's

(34:09):
the It claims it to be itself, to be the
one who designed it all, and I end up learning
about him. Yeah, I like twenty three contact events in
I have and then as an adult there's a lot
of gaps, so years go by where I don't have contact,
but they actually come back every now and then around
turning points in my life. So me and my wife
are about to get married, I have a contact event
and that's in two thousand and eight. And what they're

(34:32):
doing is they're continuing to build off of future information
information about the planet Earth, and they're what they're planning.
So it's kind of like based off of the hybrid
information and now they're giving me more and more content.
And at the time, I don't know what they're doing.
They're just giving me information. They're not telling me I'm
going to go around talking about it publicly. They're just

(34:53):
doing this and I'm just complying and listening, and at
times I can ask questions. By twenty sixteen, they give
me my twenty fifth contact event and they basically say, Okay,
now the memories are open. We want you to write
everything out in a book, everything we've done with you,
tell your world about it, tell them we're coming. There's

(35:14):
going to be a city, and there's going to and
the hybrids will be in the city and so they
end up projecting the content into my mind basically, and
the way they can project information into your mind. And
I see a city, I see hybrids. The hybrids I'd
seen as babies are now growing up, so I kind
of feel connected to them in this even though it's

(35:35):
an imagery. I feel like bonded to these things, these hybrids,
and they're wearing pants and t shirts. They're like, they're
not aliens. They're actually kind of like new people. So
I had a weird like moment of kind of bonding
with them or familiarity is the best way to frame that.
I had familiarity with these hybrids, not feeling like they
were aliens, but there were a new type of people,

(35:58):
and that's it, basically. Yeah, they wanted me to give
that information out. And and then there's one last contact event.
Because I was struggling with some of the ability to
find these memories I was having, I was going through
my own problems about what had happened in the past.
I'm trying to learn about and understand this stuff. And
so there's one last contact event, and that's twenty seventeen.
That's the twenty sixth contact event, and then it'd be

(36:21):
two years in twenty nineteen where it all starts unraveling
and that's it. And once it unraveled, yeah, I had
I had a natural compulsion to put it onto paper
and then only to learn yeah, there was a there
was a kind of a quote unquote program in me
or you know, a message to tell the world about
this and that it was important in that this information
had to be relayed to the world.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And so what year was that for the book? Right
around twenty twenty, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
The book came out in twenty There was a first edition,
The first edition I believe was twenty twenty one, and
it could be the second was twenty twenty two. Yeah,
it was something like that.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
And then how long after that is that coming out video?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, the video would have been around that first edition.
It's the first edition that I think, like right before
I released the edition because I had a book launch,
so it came out around that book launch, and so
that would have been twenty twenty. I'd have to dig
it up. Funny enough, the editions right there, I could
probably grab it. The first edition, let me actually grab it.

(37:27):
So this is the first edition, so it's had a
different cover and I actually had a different title, so
it's The Rising, the Alien plan to build an enlightened
city on Earth. We just kind of changed up the
title a little bit because people were confused that those
were two the same thing, and they're not. They're actually
two separate things. The Rising was the genetic thing that
they did with me, the consciousness thing, and then there

(37:49):
is this information they want you to know separately, which
is they're building a city on planet Earth. This is
twenty twenty two. Yeah, so January twenty twenty two was
when the Scott printed out.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
All right, that's awesome to get that timeline and kind
of see the steps that you went through leading up
to that emotional coming out video. I feel this emotional.
It doesn't. Yeah, most people may say that, but it
felt that way. Actually.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
The best way of understand this too, right, Like, So, okay,
twenty nineteen is when I got the memories out. I
didn't tell anybody about it, no, sorry. Twenty nineteen was
when I learned about it, and I spent a year
trying to understand it. March fifteenth of twenty twenty is
the first time I go to a UFO group. I'm
looking for people to tell that this happened to me,
and you know, it's really hard, like no one cares.

(38:40):
Right at first, no one cares. They really don't want
to hear a story about a guy talking about something
that happened to him twenty years ago. There's just no
interest in that. And they're like, no researcher, no, no
one cared. And so I'm telling a local UFO group
twenty twenty March fifteenth, twenty twenty, and they are the
ones who said, oh, this is actually very serious. I
have a lot of knowledge here, and you also have

(39:01):
a lot of memories, so let's bring you back. July fifth,
twenty twenty is the first time I do a public presentation,
and I'm doing the first contact event and that's that
video is also on my YouTube channel. It's one of
the first ones, right alongside the video you're referring to.
And yeah, that's that's the beginning. And all I'm doing
between the releasing of this book and the video you're

(39:23):
talking about is I'm doing public I'm doing presentations in
this UFO group and everything gets recorded and I'm I'm
putting out all my contact events from one number one
all the way to twenty six and I do in
this UFO group, and then those videos became the book,
and then that's where that was at. By twenty twenty two,
I'd gone public in those videos and everything was small,

(39:45):
Like the videos got just a couple of hundred hits,
and you know, we've sent this stuff off the researchers
and most people weren't paying attention to it, and so
I just kept moving with it and then turned it
into a book. And yeah, that's it. You got it
one step after the other.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
And I know you talked about communion being kind of
one of the catalyst things that jump this this you know,
framed everything for you. But were there now that you
look back and yeah, I'm sure you've done research on
multiple cases and sightings out there. Are there any that
you point to that that you feel corroborates what you

(40:20):
went through in the experiences that you had within those
twenty six Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
So within each contact event there's something, In fact, there's
typically like four or five things that are that are
referred to in some other some other contact somewhere else. Yeah,
you got it. It's nuts raw. Pick a number between
one and twenty six eighteen, My eighteenth contact event okay,

(40:47):
so the great waves, well, it would turn out the
more one. The day I went public with it, there
was another contact here in Vancouver Island who saw great
waves just like I did. Synchronistically, it came out when
Linda Moulton how did a video that she had seen
that she knows information that someone from S four saw.
I was told great waves would be, you know, occurring

(41:08):
on planet Earth. So that's just like one of the
tiny cooperations. And never mind what happened during that contact event,
I saw I was interacting with four humans and then
oh another one. I just read a book. So I
put on a suit during that contact event, and I
specific they gave me a coverall suit and I kind

(41:28):
of always said this, I couldn't figure out where the
boots came from and the boots were part of the suit.
It made no sense to me. And of course co
evolution Alec Newol's book, I've just read it like two
weeks ago, same thing of boots, with the boots were
part of the suit. So it's like it's a weird
thing you kind of don't think about. As humans, we
put on our boots and you don't have the mind.
That's like you don't fill in these gaps the same

(41:49):
way these are the memories, right, And so it's content
like that, tiny tiny details that keep getting cooperated all
over the place, never mind some of the big stuff
that gets cooperated like yeah, great waves. So that's a
good example of them where yeah, I'm fine, I'm not
just finding contact these I'm finding government information. And that's
the most chilling of it all is that I have
government docs now that coroborates you know, a lot of

(42:12):
what they said they're going to do and what they're
planning on doing. And so yeah, I'm that's why it's
all the longer I stay in this, the more obvious.
It's so so real and so necessary to talk about.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
And that goes in actually to another question that I had,
as literally goes right into it. It was essentially with
another video that I came across on your channel where
you were talking about uh or or maybe mentioning the
fact that it appears that these UFO whistleblowers of people
coming out seem to be like repeating information that you've

(42:48):
been told or experienced during these alien contacts. What were
some of the things that you're able to point to.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, so there's tons, but I think my favorite so
so we uh, I'll point this out here. This is good. Yeah, right,
so a lot of contacts. So what she's saying right like,
there's yeah, a lot of contactis have seen is kind

(43:16):
of like these great waves. So she's saying that down
below here, So I just want to frame that out. Yeah,
I've physically seeing great waves that are tapping on Earth yet,
So she's not the only contact I've brunt into who's
talked like that. So Okay, my favorite thing that that
the whistleblowers have talked about, and it's kind of the
hidden part about the contact. What are the aliens planning,
what are they doing, what are they wanting? And you

(43:37):
don't really see a lot of the main whistle blowers
talk in this way, but I've got an interesting tidbit
from Jack Valet. So my story is unique because it
looks like the aliens weren't telling, weren't clear with other
contact is what they're doing, what their plannings are, and
what the hybrids? Why were they taking biology from humans?
And for me, the whole premise of the story is

(43:57):
they're putting them here. Those hybrid are getting put here
onto the planet and we're going to be interacting with
him at some point. And uh, Jacques Vallet has an
interesting line, a quote or maybe a you know, story,
I guess. He says that he said the last Soul
Foundation meeting, so he was a speaker at the Soul Foundation. Uh,

(44:20):
and that was the first time the Soul Foundation came
together and had you know, academics and researchers, scientists all
coming together for the for the UAP phenomenon. And he
gets up on a podium and he says, so he was,
you know, at some conference, and the science advisor to
the Clinton Foundation, non Clinton Clinton administration was there and uh,

(44:43):
and someone asked him about UFOs and so this is
Valley relaying this story. And the guy said, I can't
tell you too much about it, except I'll tell you
this story, and this story best relays what the UFO.
He called it. The UFO problem is the UFO problem
we're facing. So he framed it, and the story was

(45:05):
a man is walking down the path and sees a
glowing object in the grass. He goes and he picks
it up, and of course it's a frog, and the
frog communicates, if you kiss me, I'll turn into a
beautiful princess and then we can marry together and we
can make beautiful babies. And then the guy says, I'm

(45:26):
too old for this, and he puts it in his pocket.
And that's basically the story. And he said that was
a metaphor for the UFO phenomenon and the problems that
we're having with it. And of course, what do I know.
I know that they plan to merge with us. That's
what that's the premise of my story. They plan to
put themselves here and merge societies. So that was one.

(45:48):
And then the second is I have an FBI document
I should I could put it into the chat, lady.
And in that FBI document is it's from nineteen forty seven,
and it's some scientists who were interacting with non human
intelligence and and they're learning about them, and then they're
basically relaying that information to you know, politicians or scientists

(46:09):
whoever they're giving this information to. And yeah, and the
aliens say they plan to settle on this plane and
as in this Earth plane, and yeah, and they're they're nonviolent.
The visitors are from another astral dimension. They're from an
etheric Earth, not unlike our own but inter not in
not not ours, but interconnected with ours, which is stuff

(46:30):
they showed me as well too. So those are pretty huge,
and especially when all my all my information, I just
learn about it through the memories, compile it, put it out. Yeah,
and then you're learning, oh my god, there's that, there's this,
there's this, there's this, and uh yeah, the big the
biggest finds are are that the government knew all along

(46:51):
that they plan to put themselves here, and they knew
that in nineteen forty seven. So that's a pretty telling.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
You know, when I look at this, because I personally
haven't had just a direct extraterrestrial experience, although I have UFOs.
I have all sorts of weird stuff for sure, so
I know it's real. I know that this phenomenon is
definitely real. But you know, it's when when we this
is a dilemma that I end up always having. I've

(47:21):
asked this before. I think I asked it last night
as well. But when we as far as human beings
dealing with other human beings here on Earth, it's hard
at times usually to detect deception initially, and I just
wonder that that is there an element of maybe extraterrestrial

(47:46):
deception out there when they're delivering information to us or
showing us images or things that they want us to
broadcast out to the rest of humanity, is there, you know,
is in your eyes, being that you have had experiences
when you have dealt with human deception, do you think

(48:07):
you would also be able to detect extraterrestrial deception if
it was one of those type of plays.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, good question, And you know, I like these kind
of in depth conversations. So now, first off, it is
a telepathic environment, so you do feel them. You feel
them when they're communicating with you, So it's really hard
to deceive. And though they can withhold information. But now

(48:37):
I think that the way they think is a lot
simpler than we expect them to think. There's a couple
things that have really I picked up from some of
these whistleblowers and some people who are digging deep. John
Stewart is a very interesting one where he has the
video of the alien interview, which I believe is real

(48:57):
because it looks like my alien. The facial structure is
exactly the same, and uh, and then he's got some
inns and apparently he's met people who've interacting with gray
alien hybrids and he basically the military called them dumb
and uh and I've heard this more than once that
they thought the aliens were dumb. I'm laughing about it

(49:20):
because I think what I think, what they're really facing
is a species that is a lot more, a lot
more gentle. It's it's the opposite. It's like hyper sensitive gentle.
It's like it's like you're killing nature.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
What are you doing.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
It's more like angry at us for wiping out trees
as opposed to being the opposite where they're aggressive, you know,
mad scientists, right, and and because of their their dimensionality
and their fact that they're on a higher level, then
there's a lot of like miscommunication about their intentions when
they're may be rough with humans. They were rough with me,
So yeah, I know they're rough with me. But in

(49:58):
the end, I understand that and they are. It's the
best way to frame this is creature, like an animal
like it's it's it's like killer whales. Let us imagine
killer whales trying to merge with us, and you know,
they don't look like us, and they behave different and
they don't have the flippers, they can't do things properly,
and you know, it's stuff like that. It's like animals
structures trying to come together. So they are simpler in

(50:22):
some ways in their mind frame and and in that
way they're actually a lot more playful. But the reality
is so okay, forget my personal experience again, we start
looking at coroberation. Well, the aliens share tech in contact events.
Grant Cameron is a really good book. The research the

(50:42):
Canadian researcher Grant Cameron UFO Skypilots is what it's called. So, yeah,
the aliens are sharing technology, right, Why are they sharing
tech with a species they want to you know, harm? Right?
Or we also have the Free Academic Research Foundation, the
Free Foundation which did in academic research. I can't remember
the stats off my head, but the amount of people
who believe great aliens are benevolence are high, a lot

(51:05):
higher than the you know, the plethora of Internet tools
who think otherwise. Right, people are having consciousness evolution occur
in contact So it's people are coming out with expanded abilities,
and they're coming out with expanded awareness of their nature,
the nature of the universe, and the nature of their
place in the universe. So the entities are not for

(51:26):
me from my perspective, it's the opposite where they're like, yeah,
ultra sensitive. And again that makes sense if you are
a telepathic species, you're living in these telepathic environments, you're
not absolutely you're not interested in violence, you're not interested
in you're not interested in deception, You're interested in growth
and evolution. And then they might meter out how they
give that information to people, which I think is what

(51:49):
they do. But yeah, there's just not a lot of
evidence for a malavant type behavior that is highly deceptive. Now,
we just have contact events where some people, you know,
it's maybe more physical and biological, and so that comes
off as very traumatic, and those are the stories we have,
and I, you know, I can understand all that and
all personally can relate to it. But in the end

(52:12):
I see that as like a you know, a translation
issue with a highly dimensionals species that bends space and time,
and the human brain and the human body is unfamiliar
with these things, and then you get tossed around a
little bit. But yeah, I don't I don't personally relate
to or experience the entities to be deceivers. But maybe

(52:35):
limiting information too. You know to not overwhelm humans too.
By the way we're dealing with space time, you know,
outside time type of stuff, like the human brain is
just not conditioned to this, and so I see an
alien species also trying to meter out the way they
present information.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's just a tough one
because the thing that we always look at it and
when we talk about like consciousness, universal consciousness, then you
would figure there are other levels of universe or of
universal aspects to things like yin and yang, and I
always point out hot and cold, fire, ice. These are

(53:15):
things that are probably consistent across the universe, and then
you would just you would just assume that there's gonna
be some sort of other element out there that might
be opposite to because yes, a lot of people do
talk about benevolence, but there may be some other aspect
out there. And we'll kind of get into that more

(53:36):
because we're running into the break right now at the
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All right, everybody, welcome back Space Out Radio and After
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Go ahead and bring our guests back on stage here,
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I've seen a few so far. Please keep them coming.
Put them in all caps, I'll tag them and we'll
ask them at the end of the hour. Also, Drew

(59:44):
Banky said, make sure you stick around for hour three.
I would definitely say to do that. It's gonna be
an awesome jam pack show. We will be talking about
three I outlets and some of the things I think.
So here we go. All right, everyone, welcome back spaced
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(01:00:04):
your host, mister robg. We are back in the building
with Jeff Silver, UFO Experience There, UFO contact E, et
Citerrestrial contactee, also author getting in this really great conversation.
If you missed any of it, it's in our archives
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(01:00:27):
number two and starting off with the first question here.
So we ended the hour off nice and I wanted
to start this hour talking about people I'm sure have
asked during our one what that Enlightened city is all about?
So and I don't think you spoke to that yet,
if you wouldn't mind letting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Them know what that is, yeah, sure, So, not that
I have a ton of information, but they basically the
idea is after some type of planet event, some type
of event, it's gonna happen and that's when they put
the hybrids down. So whatever's coming then is coming, and

(01:01:11):
then the Yeah, the hybrids get put down, and alongside
that is a city. Yeah, And this event isn't, as
far as I'm aware, isn't meant to wipe out humans.
I think it's a natural event that has to happen
for them to be here. And some type of shift,
some type of electromagnetic field shift. I don't really know.

(01:01:35):
I don't fully understand it. It's some type of shift
that's going to happen, and I have some information about it,
but it's not like I fully understand this stuff. And yeah,
and upon that, upon the hybrids being placed down, yeah,
there'd be a city, and the way they should it
to me is it would be in dead center, North America,
and then everything else would be left to be wild,

(01:01:57):
so all the cities would be removed. And then and
there's this one planetary city. Now maybe I was just
showing North America, so I don't really know. I don't
know what the world would be like. And then with
the premise being is that, yeah, within that city are
the hybrids, and of course humans are, there's no there's
no species. I think that this phenomenon that we're about

(01:02:20):
to engage with is very open or accepting of species.
But I think you the human may have to evolve
in a way that is very very new. Now it
could be called spiritual, but it's much more than that.
It's I think that there isn't many humans in the
planet that need to be in a state that you

(01:02:41):
have to be in with these entities to exist in
their environments. And and that's where I think all the
problems start. So it's like super dimensional, super advanced. And
I was shown that there might be shielding that have
to happen for humans, shielding because their dimensional state might
be too extreme for us. So but yeah, it's like

(01:03:05):
super uh super dimensional, and then yeah, that city is here,
and then we can engage. And it's the idea is
it's meant to it's meant to uh you know, over generations,
influence the entire planet as a whole. That's the premise
is to finally get them into a because there's a
weird feeling here where you know, they're flying around like

(01:03:27):
I got that kind of drone stuff too, like the
drones now over Europe, like I was, I was public
about that a long time ago, that the drones are
great aliens or the speed that's the phenomenon. The drones
are the phenomenon. And uh and I was public about
that a long time ago. And uh and there is
a feeling here that they can't land and I've actually
or like they can't put themselves down in a way

(01:03:47):
with the way in which they can be in our
environment properly. And uh and that's the premise here, that
they're altering something in the environment, the electromagnetic field of
the planet that allows them to finally be here. And
when they're here, then then they're having a city, They're
having some type of hub, and then the hub is
meant to be dimensional and galactic by nature. So an

(01:04:09):
idea that you know, we can start learning about the
other dimensions of the other realities of our own galaxy
and our own I'm not even certain this is about space.
I feel like this is much more about and and
the realms and things that are actually out there that
we're just so unaware of. And that includes the oversoul,
that includes the higher self, that includes the afterlife. So

(01:04:32):
we end up learning about ourselves upon it all, we'll
learn about, you know, what we all really are. We're
long living spirits, is what we are. Through a birth
and death life cycle, and I think that all gets
exposed if you're moving into the city, so you have
to start dealing with your own consciousness in a way
we've never been familiar with. So that's the premise. It's

(01:04:53):
a highly advanced consciousness. And the premise here too is
using the word premise again, sorry, but the point being
is that they're is consciousness. So you know, I experienced
some of this stuff on craft and it's not just
that the crafts are alive, it's that you can merge
with the craft and it got turned into an orb, right,
That's what happened to me. And that one moment where

(01:05:14):
I got turned into an orb affected my life, right,
It altered and changed my directions just because I had
this experience and they knew how to isolate that with
timelessness or you know, outside time and then influence my
teenage life with it. So it's extremely advanced, so advanced
for the human brain. So it's stuff like that that

(01:05:37):
we are kind of out of our realms with here
that they might be introducing us to. And maybe also
a way to frame this is that the city is
maybe meant to just be or designed to be a
place to warm up humans who don't want to have
anything to do with this, who want to still be
humans and have the campfire or the farm field or

(01:05:58):
whatever we end up doing. But you know, it's a
way of kind of hanging out with it and learning
about it slowly. So there is kind of a way
that we can pace into it, because I don't think
humans can be rushed into what they really are. I
don't think we have the capacity to do that, not
quickly anyway. Some of us might and and some of

(01:06:18):
us could, but I think the population as a whole
won't be able to. So the premise I got was
that this is a hub. It's kind of a hub
that's meant to influence the planet as a whole.

Speaker 8 (01:06:31):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
And I know since I've talked to you about that before,
and I'd asked questions about it, and just kind of
it's crazy, how you know, since the last time we talked.
When I hear it now and you explain it, some
ideas pop in my mind because when you say shift
is like, there's a shift. I'm not sure exactly what

(01:06:53):
the shift did, but there's a shift, And so I'm like, okay, shift,
could that be a shift of like consciousness and and
uh maybe energy. Essentially, there's there's a maybe. And when
I say energy, I could be pointing to what's currently
going on here in the United States where I think

(01:07:15):
it's globally I think that the bad energy happening here
is affecting the globe, uh in one way or another.
And could this, this enlightened city be metaphorical? Could it
be uh, maybe a community of individuals who are now
have become enlightened. And maybe it's not a physical city

(01:07:36):
at all, but it's more of a community of and
it's it's essentially the path that we have to take
enlightening the rest of the world, and it starts with
this community. And I'm just kind of going across that
because there is obviously a shift for sure this year
that has happened with energy and consciousness, especially here in

(01:07:57):
North America, which you also stated central North America, which
to me is the United States of America. And yeah,
it could, it could line up. But I don't know,
what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah, yeah, great questions. And I actually addressed it in
the book. I actually say, is it symbolic?

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
It's not you know, as a human we want blueprints.
They didn't show me the blueprints that said this is
the city we're going to build, and this is what
this is the material be made out of, and these
are the workers and these are the people who live there. Right,
It's done in this kind of very highly symbolic way.
So I do leave it up to the reader to
make that, you know, to to to put that together.

(01:08:37):
If that's if that's how they want to frame it,
then it can be framed that way. But there are
some problems. So so, yeah, is there gonna be a
planet event? Right, that would also seem symbolic. Okay, maybe
there's gonna be a big shift of change, Except why
is it that I have You know, I have cooperation
from Linda Bolton Howe who found Who Has A And

(01:09:00):
she got this in the eighties, right, and maybe in
the nineties. But the guy was working in the eighties
first four and the scientist was trying to figure out
how to save humanity from great waves, and he got
that information. He knew the information came from extraterrestrials. So
and when you look at contact events, there's actually a bunch.
There's a bunch where the anthetes talk about a Planet event.

(01:09:21):
Chris Bledsoe has great waves. Also, I have great waves. Right,
we had a contact here talking about great waves, or
at least someone. I don't know what the story the
contacts was there, but I've met other contact he's had
great waves. So why Okay, like maybe maybe it's simple
to motivate us. Then why would the government have it?
And That's what I'm really really suspicious of? And then

(01:09:43):
why are they now building bunkers? Why is Bob Bigelow
building bunkers. Bob Biglow is a Bob Bigelow is crash retrievals,
like the guy's neck and Neck with you, a Foho phenomenon.
He was investigating the afterlife right, and I saw the
afterlife on craft. He's on a Michel Love forget the
guy's name, Mischelov's podcast, but yeah, he was on that

(01:10:07):
talking about the how contact these can see the afterlife
on craft. He's saying that after I had already went
public with it. So he's connected and he knows the phenomenon,
and he's building a bunker, so something's up and and
and also John Keel had internal documents that now reflect
you know what I what looks like the experience or phenomenon,

(01:10:29):
that the UFO phenomenon would engage with individuals and then
those individuals would start forming groups or start forming you know,
cliques or not cliques, but you know groups to educate
the public. That's exactly what's going on now. And that
was talked about in the sixties and a John Keel document,
So you're you're getting this, and that John Keel document

(01:10:50):
they talked about planet events also, so okay, we got this,
and and then the hybrids while we got some information
that they plan to put themselves here, So that's also
being cooperated. So is the city only a metaphor maybe?
But those other two things look like their realities. So
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
I don't know all the other thing I got another cooperation,
another connection piece. The location of that city was Dead Center,
North America Pat McGuire from the sixties. A contact ee
was told to dig a well directly in the center
of North America. Now he lived. I can't and call
I have that information on my website. There's a there's
a place called Researching the Rising, the tenth contact event.

(01:11:32):
I have that information there. Can't remember the state he
lived in, but it's center North America over top of
the ola, the aquafar ola, I forget the name of
the aquifer all the ola ola for aquifer or something,
I can't remember. It's the largest aqua in North America
and they didn't know about it at the time. And
Aliens told him to dig and you'll find water there
and that water will be needed after a planet event.

(01:11:56):
That's the exact location where they put a city in
my in the hologram that they showed it showed it
to me. So what's up with all the connections? What's
up with the picture? What's up with Aliens taught telling
us this stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
And you know, the public wasn't taking this that seriously,
and neither were some of the researchers, and neither were
some of the scientists. And it turns out Aliens might
have been telling the entire time that's something's about to
happen and they're about to make a change, and they're
about to put themselves here. And maybe they had trouble
figuring out what human to tell that to as well, too,
so they were telling different humans different things. But yeah,

(01:12:34):
so I feel like the picture I have, like, you know,
it's legit. And and it's kind of scary that it's legit. Actually,
I don't like talking about it too much. So what
do you do with that information as a contact?

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
So that's the state you get put into with all this.
So it could be metaphorical, but then you have to
ask why why is it all matching up into a
single picture.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
No, when I say metaphorical, I mean to support everything
that you're saying, because it would see me, it would
seem that in even another one here that's dead center,
the center of North America could be considered the heart
of America. The heart is the bloodline and the blood
flow of the largest free nation in the in the

(01:13:21):
in the world. And so I mean just going down
that path because I think what you're saying, I'm putting
it in a way where I think it can support
some of the things that are definitely happening today. Let's
go back, uh and and I talked about this on
a previous show where we talked about just things that
felt weird to me and and leading all the way
up till today. So we go back a year ago

(01:13:43):
and we have the the the UFO hearings, we have
that we have Right before that, which just came out
about a month or so ago, we had a video
release showing our military firing on a UFO on videos,
So it would infer that there's some sort of conflict there. Okay,

(01:14:04):
let's take that. So then we have the hearing. Five
days after the hearing, we have the drone swarm that
starts on November eighteenth. It stays for two months, which
I also feel like was an attempt at contact or
some sort of communication between them and us. Then you
get into the NASA finally announcing after many, many years

(01:14:27):
of just being in the shadows, they come out and
just say, hey, yeah, guess what, there's life on Mars.
There's ancient life. We detected it. And then all those things,
and then you have also and this is a political
warning guys, not taking any signs, but just the facts
of what's going on. We have politics here where militaries
and things are being put into the streets. And I

(01:14:50):
think it could be a setup to, you know, for
something in the future where it's like this event or
this thing that might be oncoming that they may know about,
her have some awareness about, and they're preparing for a
moment to where they need to control the population for
whatever reason. And I'm just kind of spitballing putting things together,

(01:15:11):
but I think it definitely lines up with uh, what
you what you have experienced, and what you're saying here tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I'm hyper sensitive to all the public, like, yeah, what's
happening in the world. And I was even suspicious of
you know, your president talking about Gaza, right. It was like, oh, well,
if there's gonna be great waves, that might be the
place to say to put yourself because what I saw
is that the waves would be coming from a certain
location and that matched Linda Moltenow's information and it matches

(01:15:43):
Chris Bledstone's information. So that was really weird. And so, yeah,
is that what's actually happening? Yeah, and then if it did,
then then these movements would be maybe in line with that. Yeah.
I know, I don't like calling it out, but so
I am watching the world movements and and I'm not
clear too that they're trying to do a grab of

(01:16:06):
resources or something before it happens. That's even scarier because
some of us in Canada we think that you're we
think something might happen where they might come in Uh,
we don't know, but it's kind of terrifying, not terrifile.
I don't like to be terrified, but it seems like
it could be a reality, right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
And I think it's healthy because I think there's always
the role of no politics. Nobody and I both. I
say true. I say that's a fact, because I don't
feel like when you get into that conversation it's like
I'm on this side or I'm on this side, it
doesn't matter, That doesn't matter, but but it does, you know,
as far as who controls the citizen is the government unfortunately,

(01:16:45):
and we have Three Eye Atlas coming in and supposed
to be this big thing anomalous who knows what it is. Uh,
NASA has the best pictures of it ever and they
haven't shown us because of some sort of lockdown that
we're on currently. And it's just it just feels like
that that maybe, you know, there's some of the things

(01:17:05):
that are currently happening today maybe because of something that's
impending upcoming. Yeah, it just lines up with what you're
talking about here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Yeah, you got a simile age of disclosure, right. The
I just watched Bill Maher's you know, you know show
last week on the weekend, and it's the most upfront
I've seen. I mean, I know some of the news
sources now are actually talking about the agent disclosure and
the video, the documentary that's about to come out, and

(01:17:36):
they're giving it a lot of light and a lot
of seriousness. But Bill maher fully like his words were
splattered over Facebook and Twitter and read it and you
know that he took us so seriously, and you know,
my family all of a sudden is like, Okay, this
is this is serious. I'm like, yeah, it's I've been
telling you it's serious. Yeah, it's like dead serious.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
And uh yeah, it all looks like it's Listen. I've
always believed in twenty twenty seven, I John Ramira is right.
He called it. He described it in a podcast twenty
seventeen to twenty twenty seven was a ten year soft
disclosure program. From everything I know what the aliens are
telling me, that makes a lot a lot of sense
that the public has to know. So the aliens are

(01:18:17):
I'm convinced that the ones giving that pressure saying you
have to tell your public. And the reason is is
because and as John Ramier said, there's going to be
an event. He said, when they show up again, we
have to let the public know what's going on here,
And so he's making it sound like there's an event,
there's something that's going to happen, There's going to be
a disclosure or something. So when they actually are presenting themselves,

(01:18:39):
people aren't blind to what this is. So that alone
says a lot too that there might be something that's
going to occur here. What that looks like, I don't know,
but yeah, I totally agree, and I think this is
I think this is coming and I think humanity is
about to be in a big shocker. And I was
as soon as I my memories came out and I
understood what the picture was. Dude. People think homelessness or

(01:19:00):
pollution are going to be the problems of the future.
Aliens are gonna be a problem with the future. And
I'm a guy who believes their benevolent and it's because
of what I don't think they're happy with what we've
been doing then, so not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
They definitely can't be Twenty twenty five is a year
where they have to be shaking their heads. But going back,
you know, my feeling is and just I want to
know how you feel about this? Do you what do
you think about Roswell? I mean Roswell the meeting with
the aliens with Eisenhower? Do you think that actually happened?
You feel like that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Yeah, I have a whole essay on it. I've done
an essay and a presentation for a UFO group and
I went all the way down the rabbit hole. And
as an experiencer, as a contact d I can sometimes
see things that other people miss. We have the core
of where that information comes from, where it first originates
from is a letter between Linn Meade and I forget

(01:19:54):
all the information now, it's years of years of a
lot of information. So the information is on my website.
But the two individuals who wrote a letter, one writes
a letter to the other and in that letter he
describes what happened, and he doesn't give it a full description,
but he says something along the lines of have I
he was a metaphor? He was a spiritual guy himself.

(01:20:16):
He said, I'm grateful I conditioned myself to believing and
out of body experiences because I couldn't imagine what it
looks like from their perspective when they'd seen something that
snapped their minds. So he's making it sound like the
entities did something in front of these military men. And
now you know the idea of the paranormal side to

(01:20:38):
the phenomenon, Like we didn't have that public that wasn't
no in information. Never mind them turning into orbs or
being orbs. That wasn't no in information at the time.
So what's he talking about? And it sounds very paranormal
what they did. And it sounds like the entities had
a meeting and then did something insane to the generals
and maybe you know, materialized matter or disintegrated or whatever.

(01:20:58):
Who knows what they can do crazy things. Seen it
with my own eyes. So yeah, that's the first indicator.
And then you have a whole bunch of you know,
military men who are very reputable. Colonel Corso now after Roswell,
like his book is all lining up. We now have
people emitting Roswell as real. So Colonel Corso was the
legit and Colonel Corso was there. So, yeah, this happened,

(01:21:23):
Now does it happen? Did it happen the way some
of the you know, there's some people who took a
hold of this meeting and called it the great deception
by the Eisenhowers and how evil they were because they
were controlled by lizards and great aliens are now and
we've made an agreement with great aliens for bad intentions.
Well yeah, okay, now we have evidence, at least for me,

(01:21:45):
that the aliens were transparent since nineteen forty seven. That's
the Eisenhower meeting, we think is nineteen fifty four. So
this nineteen forty seven, the aliens are showing who they
are and where they're from. And every time we keep
getting information that the ends say, stop the nuclear stop
destroying your planet. So have we listened? So if we
hadn't listened, then what agreements were made? And it's making

(01:22:08):
it look like the Aliens were the bad ones, the
Great Aliens were the abductors and all this stuff. But
it's looking like maybe since they known in that nineteen
forty seven document that they plan to put them cells
onto the planet, they plan to put themselves here as
settle on this plane, then the language couldn't have been, Okay,
we'll let you do science experiments on our humans. That's

(01:22:28):
impossible because they already knew that they were putting them
on here, they're putting them on the planet, So they
must have known the hybrid program was about making humans
to be able to sustain on our physical planet. That's
what the whole thing must have been. They must have
known that, because we have some documentation that aligns with it.
So so yeah, man, it's I think they've known from

(01:22:49):
the get go what the whole source of it is.
And I think that there was an agreement made with
the country. I think the United States. That's why everything's
looking like the way it is right now. It's the
America is the one that made the agreement, and that's
why the city I saw was in North America. It's
because there maybe was some type of an agreement in exchange,
and who knows what the details of that exchange is,

(01:23:10):
but but I'm hyper suspicious. It's we'll give you our
land if we get your tech, and we can be
the ones to merge with your society, you know, thinking
Cold War style, so we can beat Russia, we can
beat China, and the Aliens are much more nature oriented
and much more holistic and agree because they need to
find a place to settle. So something like that I

(01:23:32):
don't fully know, but man, I fully all the digging
I did into the Eisenhower. For me, it's one hundred
percent legit. And yeah, I just I don't believe though
that it's a it's this agreement with negative gray aliens.
I think it was you got to stop this stuff,
and there might have been an agreement to stop it.
The other twist to this is we have clear evidence

(01:23:54):
now of a push and pull.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Yeah, go ahead, yeah, hell right there. We're going to
finish this conversation on the other side of the by
guys getting spicy right here tonight with Jeff Silver UFO
contact e UFO Experience or Author. We're going to be
right back after this break. This show is going by
so fast, time is short. We'll get to your questions
as well right after the break. See you in a minute.

(01:24:26):
All right, we are clear, and yeah, yeah, I definitely
want to continue that on the other side of the break,
because this is a reason rabbit hole that I just
went down. And I was a guy, and I will
say this again after break, but I was a guy
that didn't know how I really felt about the meeting.
I'm like, okay, maybe it can happen potentially. Then I

(01:24:49):
did a video on the time well, one other thing
that made me do the video was that video with
the UFO hell Fire missile. That for me and should
have to a lot of people's like, oh okay, it
bounced off the UFO okay, And I think if you
were to look at it a different way, I think
what it definitely shows you is a connection in that

(01:25:11):
moment between the phenomena and human governments. That was literally
what you were seeing in that video is the fact
that these two entities, these two sources have crossed at
a moment on this video and likely other times throughout
history as well.

Speaker 8 (01:25:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Yeahs totally.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
It is insane. It's it is insane, and yeah, it's
that's why the Agent Disclosure documentary, right is the last
seventy years they've been the public has been lyed to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
So I can't wait for it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
No, I haven't seen it. I just it's not all
the talk is going on about it, and I'll definitely
be watching it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Yeah, that's that was the big one I want to
see because I know one of the promos that they
before but right after south By Southwest, they had the
clip of Jay Stratton saying that he has seen extracorial
crafts and non human intelligence, and I want to see
if that was a clever edit. So was there something

(01:26:14):
he said before that or after that that kind of
takes away from the potency of that state because I'm
on the face of it, it's like, wow, okay, but
you've been talking all these years, so while all of
a sudden in this video, are you now saying that?
That makes me feel like maybe there was there's something
he says before or after that statement that kind of

(01:26:36):
takes the steam out of out of what he was
saying there. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Yeah, super crazy. Oh okay, this I got your question here,
super crazy movie geek. We'll be asking that for sure. Okay,
this is a question, you know. Okay, that's a statement.

(01:27:06):
Let's see. Oh and while we're doing this, guys, while
we're on this final break with our guess here, Jeff,
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Look right under your screen. There should be like a
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It's very important to do that to you know, connect

(01:28:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
That's it. Drew got Yeah, the Ogalla aquafer I gotta
rememborize that name. I have that information somewhere. Sorry. I
was looking at the comments and they're talking about information
I wouldn't recall in the moment, and they look for me. Yeah,
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
That's because they're awesome like that. Yeah. These That's why
I love our audience. They they are on top of
it for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Yeah, they are pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
And let's see. Okay, yeah, I see it too. That's
Drew Banky actually in the back.

Speaker 8 (01:29:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Someone someone says it right above him too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Oh yeah, male WD forty, the lube guy. He's the
lube guy. Yeah, let me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
See jeffreys Love. There's another one too.

Speaker 8 (01:29:33):
I forgot me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, Jeffrey Musch Love his podcast. Thank you Flat flat sixer.
Yeah it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Yep, Flat and sixer. Awesome guy right there. Let's see
Justin R see this is what I'm talking about. Justin R.
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(01:30:44):
As we get back into the convo. Right before break,
we were talking about did you know? I asked Jeff
here about the Eisenhower meeting. Did he think that it
was Did it happened? He stated yes and went into
the reasoning why. And I agree with them on that.
I mean now that I do, And I was saying
this during the break, but you know, there was a

(01:31:05):
time where I did not know for sure. I just
was like, I don't know, Okay, maybe maybe not. There
wasn't any data that I had that could lean me
far enough either way to say, but you know I
did a show where I was connecting some dots and
I was like, WHOA, Okay, this kind of makes sense.
And the first thing that made me do that, as
I was mentioning before, was the recent video that was

(01:31:28):
released during the last congressional hearing, which blew my mind
that they would even do this, because first of all,
let's start by saying that the government has always said
that they're not releasing certain videos or only five seconds
of this video to protect sources and methods. But then
they release a video and drop it on is showing

(01:31:48):
a Q nine Reaper drone firing a hell fire missile
hitting a UFO, and that they kind of just threw
everything else that they said before out the window. For me,
everybody's like, oh, well, okay, it's the plasma craft. And
I think people were focusing on the wrong thing because
I think the big takeaway from it was that our
government is in some sort of interaction with the extraterrestrial presence.

(01:32:14):
Now they didn't have to speak in that moment, but
just them dismissile hitting this craft. That's enough contact there.
So then I go back and I'm thinking about, okay, well,
you know, how did this come to be? Was and
this is the title of the show Ultimatums, the Alien Ultimatum,
because you know, going back to Eisenhower, I said, okay,

(01:32:34):
let me look at the timeline. It was MJ twelve
came up as well, and I didn't. I felt the
same way about MJ twelve. I'm like, people are saying
the documents are fake. I don't know either way if
they are or not, but then I fit them into
this timeline. I'm like, wait a minute, Okay, MJ twelve.
Those documents came out, I believe in the eighties and
you know, talked about certain dates and talked about Eisenhower

(01:32:57):
being briefed on the fact that MJ twelve exists and
the extraterrestrial presidents. So you go back and you look,
and I think it was President Truman was in office
when Roswell happened in forty seven. So you're like, okay,
that happens. You know, you get a couple of years
goes by. Supposedly, if you believe the stories, there was
some extraterrestrial entity that survived the crash and was alive

(01:33:21):
I think until around nineteen fifty two. So if that
ends up being the case, that is also the year
that President Eisenhower is president elect and being voted into
the White House. What else happens in nineteen fifty two,
the summer before the election, we have the mass UFO

(01:33:42):
sighting for two weeks straight over the over Washington, d C.
So I'm like, okay, we collect the crash, the crash retrieval,
and also alien bodies potentially one that was aligned that
we're keeping hostage essentially for all these years. Then they
show up in mass over Washington, DC in nineteen fifty two.

(01:34:04):
Truman or Eisenhower gets a briefing by these MJ twelve
and that kind of validates the whole MJ twelve thing,
because yes, this is the beginning of a shadow government
that wouldn't have existed before because there was no reason
for this to be and so this is the beginning
of shadow government. And also it's in a timeframe where
the presidents would still be in the loop on what

(01:34:26):
was happening, because it's all brand new, and so yes,
it would make sense that Truman would be obviously aware
of it, and then Eisenhower, and then maybe they started
not telling presidents after that. I think that's kind of
probably what happened but then if you look at it, Okay,
Truman gets the briefing in fifty two, is in office

(01:34:48):
January of fifty three, and then one year later is
when this supposed meeting happens. And then if you look
at the timeline from forty seven to fifty four, that's
seven years. So if you look at the first maybe
first time we've literally like had a contact where we
could sit and talk with these things, and then go

(01:35:09):
seven years later, it would make sense that that would
be a timeline that you would eventually have some sort
of meeting with these things. So that's what kind of
brought it home for me, and I was like, wow, well,
then that might also validate the whole MJ twelve thing.
And yes, maybe it's not the list of names. Maybe
it's not it, and maybe it is, but we know
for sure at some point in time, shadow government began,

(01:35:30):
and that would have been the time, the perfect time
to erect the shadow government. So that's kind of where
it went for me, and kind of, you know, validates
the whole fact that maybe they did give an ultimatum
at that initial at that meeting saying hey, and whatever
the terms were, we don't really know, but we believe
it's because of nukes, and it's like, Okay, you got

(01:35:52):
eighty years to do this or fifty years or whatever
the agreement was, and we've run out of time and
we're not doing what we stated that we would be
and now they're back.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Yeah, and there's there's evidence that they attempted the government
or some force within the government attempted to educate the
public on this, you know, this topic. And it looks
now like that is what you know, the day the
Earth stood Still was and what et was right we
have and we have a record of a pair of
producers who were brought into the Pentagon to tell the

(01:36:24):
world about the alien phenomenon and then they got cold
feet and they were that were renegged on that. But
so there was a push and poll there a push
and poll always appeared to have been inside the government
to go with this. John Brandenberg who wrote He's a
CEO of a software company for v Kepler Telescope and

(01:36:45):
he morning Star passed. He wrote basically the UFO cover up,
and he said by in the nineties the agreement with
the Grays had gone bad. So it looks like that,
it looks like there was a push and pole something,
and then you have the the the crab would crop circle,
which is I think fundamentally Listen, we got people admitting

(01:37:05):
their's UFOs now and all this stuff is real. That
crab wood crop circle should be front and center, right.
It gave us a message it was impossible for any
human to have made that crab would crop circle. And
it's the one with the great alien holding the disc right,
And that's all in binary. It's so intelligently made. And
of course the binary says, you know, conduit closing, much pain,
but still time. So there's clearly was an agreement, and

(01:37:26):
there clearly was communication about what that agreement was. There
was information about it, and now you know deception. We
won't we oppose deception, right, So clearly you can fully
imagine military men and politicians trying to find a way
to get the upper hand on these aliens, which you
know they're telepathic and they're paranormal. It's impossible, so you
it's it's it's obvious that there was some kind of

(01:37:47):
push and pull, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
I agree with.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
There's now we're at the end. We're actually at the
end of I think a bad choice that they made
and and why why would it be that way unless again,
they were so extreme. It's not Star Trek, it's not
Star Wars. It is it is ghosts. They told the
robot ghosts from the future. We're dealing with things that
are just you know, in the afterlife, we confused as

(01:38:11):
angels and possibly demons for thousands of years, and they're
on this other level that are actually hard for them
to be here. So then they need to make some
shifts on our consciousness level. And it's much more extreme
that that gap. I think that that would make a
lot of sense. Why wasn't just them landing and forcing
the evolution themselves if they needed a group of people

(01:38:32):
to be told the details. And also, we're going to
merge you with your society, and we are gaps. We're
much grander in a gap. That for me, that makes
a lot of sense how it ended up rolling out
the way it did. I also think that there's timelines involved.
I think they're from the future and they can see
the future impacts of things, so then they've been very

(01:38:54):
delicate with how they've been handling us as well too,
you know, And I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
I like that outlook and uh, you know, uh I
think to button this. The kind of button this up
for me is exactly what I just went over there
with the ultimatum. If we're to believe that that happened,
and and I think there's enough proof there that we
laid out that we could say it's very plausible, but

(01:39:21):
then the timeline thing, right, So so I look at
events like phoenix lights, I look at events like the
drone swarm that we had here, and and I want
it makes me feel like, Okay, we're just sitting on
our hands, we're not agreeing to this ultimatum, where we're
maybe not taking them at their word of what the

(01:39:44):
ultimatum might be, and and they do something like show
up in mass like hey guys, we're not playing around.
Because what makes me feel that way is the way
the government's handled that whole situation when it happened. They
didn't really want to speak about no one had a clue.
They were trying to throw little things out there that

(01:40:05):
blamed other areas while they were also turning around and saying, hey,
it's not us. So it's like, okay, if that was
a show of force from extraterrestrials at that moment, which
just so happens to be, like, only weeks after we
fired a hell fire missile on one of the craft.
Is this a moment that is culminating in this big

(01:40:26):
moment or event which would be the cause on why
things are the way they are right now As far
as how citizens are being treated and corralled essentially in
preparation for the outcome of this ultimatum. That's kind of
where I'm at with it at this point, and I'm
just trying to do what makes sense, because it makes

(01:40:47):
if we talk about all those things and we put
them in order, they make sense. And I think when
these events happen one at a time, sporadically, you focus
on the event it passes, This next thing happens, it passes.
But when you take all those things and you put
them together, then you can kind of see the full deal.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
That's right, you got it. And if you're dealing with
future species, then that's how they see it too, right,
So that's if they're coming from some other like weird
o timeline idea. It's weird for us because we do
we live it out linearly, but they might be interjecting
at certain spots trying to create impact. One of the
lines that is the most significant of them all is

(01:41:26):
that nineteen forty seven line the visitors are peaceful. Well,
what do you get? What contradictory information you get with
those drones? The drones are literally in your airspace, in
the military airspace. There are no threat. We don't know
who's operating them. What government would ever say those two
words together? Right, you're safe. Right, they won't bomb something

(01:41:47):
on you, It won't shoot you, it won't kill you.
But we don't know what they are, like, like what CIA,
what military? Who would do this? So who would put
out that type of information, such contradictory information. We don't
know what it is, but we know it won't harm you. Well,
that the phenomenon won't harm you, right, and that the
UFO phenomena said a long time ago it won't harm you.
And that's you know, So you'll get this kind of

(01:42:08):
like lack of force, very gentle and every time the
human has to make a choice about it, and it
does seem the government. I can also imagine to you
here that they just didn't know what the hell they were.
And I think there's something like that going on here too.
I think they're so foreign. These are aliens men, they're
from an alternate Earth dimension, but they're freaking aliens. They're
so different from us that they're you know, Linda moltenhow

(01:42:31):
has good stories about you know, military men being set
aside to take on telepathy from an alien. And it's shocking,
right when you get a download from an alien and
the guy passes out. Right, So these aren't Star Trek, right,
This is not Star Trek at all. And they probably
had a lot of trouble understanding them, and I think
that that creates fear, is what it does. And and

(01:42:52):
the aliens may have been a lot more transparent and then,
but the human was just too freaked out or too
And here's the thing. If they're they're from an alternate
Earth dimension in the future, which is what they showed me,
you can't send you know, can't send a probe there,
and you probably can't even send a human there. So
then you're just relying on their word. They're so weird,
they're so bizarre. I think that they just really didn't

(01:43:13):
trust them at some point and they're the ones trying
to take a step back. Well, the other thing I
actually do know is a problem which they communicated to
me a separate time. Your government has departments that are
all separate and fight with each other, CIA, FBI, d
O D Right, you have these separate, internalized part departments,

(01:43:33):
and that also caused a lot of problems because you know,
maybe the CIA agreed and said, yeah, we have to follow,
we have to go with this, and the FBI said, WHOA,
what are you doing? And then the FBI step in
and saying we're going to block you from doing that,
and the DoD is saying what are you both doing?
And then each of them are doing your own investigations
into the phenomenon. You guys also your FBI, right, your
guys public I can't remember his name, but he was investing.

(01:43:56):
He was a part of the FBI investigating the adduction
phenomen I was kind of saying, why isn't the media
pick up on this when we already had David Grush
come out. Now that validates that the government was actually
looking into the abduction phenomenon and learning about it and
documenting it, and your FBI was doing that. So you
had different departments doing different things compartmentalizing, which absolutely made

(01:44:18):
this atrocious when it came down to, you know, making
big movements I think for the government to put out
information and I think that played a part in also
where you guys are, and I say, you guys, but
it's technically the planet, I think, in the bigger scheme
of things, but where we all are at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Yeah, definitely, definitely awesome. And let me get to a
couple audience questions here. Carrie Doyle's asking you talk about
this city in the future. Will the city be strictly
for aliens in hybrids or will there be also for
regular humans as well?

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Yeah, so I addressed this a little bit earlier on
and I, yeah, of course there's no speciesm The aliens
I know are not speciesists speciesyst but yeah, they do not,
you know, think that way. It's evolution. It's where you
are on consciousness, It's where you are on your ability
to you know, evolve, And yeah, I think that you

(01:45:13):
have to be at a certain evolutionary step to go
to be in that city. I'm convinced of it from
the information I have. That's what I was basically told.
And yeah, it doesn't mean humans can't be on the planet.
It just doesn't mean that you can involve yourself with
their tech. But I think the only prerequisite is a
desire to evolve. I think a lot of humans have

(01:45:35):
that desire, but not everyone does. But I think that
a lot of humans do want to expand and grow
and evolve. It's a natural desire in us. And I
think that their world or their realm will will facilitate
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
All right, and then we have a super crazy movie
asking will worldwide UFO disclosure already be here and in
our rear view mirror five years from now?

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
Yeah, I'm convinced of it. I'm from everything going on
and everything I was told and everything I know. I'm
convinced twenty I'm convinced twenty twenty seven is it. I
believe it. I don't know what it will look like,
but I'm convinced we'll have the worldwide information that they
kept from us.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Yeah, all right, and then let's see we have wou
riders d G question, Jeff, what would a deal with
NHI life with USA government look like? How would that
conversation go? In your eyes?

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
So, yeah, I'm convinced that it was an I'm convinced
they approached other countries, and the Aliens told me that
they approached the Nazi Reich. So yeah, and not in
some evil way, but you know at the time, they're
looking for the leaders of the planet and there wasn't

(01:46:51):
really and you have an aggressive force and maybe they
can work with them and try to you know, do something.
And again you have information that they didn't take the
aliens too seriously. They so there's some type of interaction
and they and then they go to the Then they
start dealing with America and they start looking for a
place to land. That's what I'm convinced. It is a

(01:47:12):
place to put themselves. And what they're looking for is
a species to hybridize with, or we're a location or
an area to hybridize with. And then they're going to
you know, have an exchange of technology with that group,
and that way you can all merge with us together.
And that's what I'm convinced all the crashes are. They're
an attempt to move us all up, to evolve every

(01:47:33):
single to evolve the society. So when we're dealing with
computers now with tablets, we're not freaked out looking at
their hologram tech, which is consciousness tech. So we're it's
kind of a way of evolving us. So we eventually
merge with them as a species. And I'm convinced that
that agreement included you know, they had to it had
to have had knowledge that they plan to put themselves

(01:47:55):
here because of that nineteen forty seven document which says
they want to settle on the plane, So they had
some inside knowledge that that was the case. And I
believe that agreement also included an acknowledgment of the hybrid program.
I don't believe at all that the nineteen fifty four
Eisenhower meeting had something to do with allowing the American
government to experiment having aliens experiment on humans. I don't

(01:48:17):
believe that that's it, because that's not the entire picture.
And also Grant Cameron does a really good job, by
the way, at showing that even in the nineteen fifties,
they already understood that consciousness was a part of the
UFO driving So that we have internal documents that they
knew was mental by nature, like they called it mental,
but it's consciousness, And that speaks volumes that they also

(01:48:39):
knew that the consciousness phenomenon was a part of the
UFO phenomenon very early on. So again you're having misinformation
that this is in fact, aliens were highly dimensional, highly spiritual,
wanting to settle here and making agreements with humans to
do that. That's what I'm convinced was the nature of
that of that dialogue. What would it look like, I
don't know. Hopefully most likely to lepathy, but I don't

(01:49:00):
really know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I was going to say,
and they probably looked inside the rosworld craft and saw
no control services. It was like, well, how in the
world do you work this?

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
And yeah, yeah, very early on, and well I think
they were told this is this is the whole thing
that the John Keel documents to show they had too
much information on the inside of the alien's intentions. And
I was telling people, who do you think gave that
to them? Who do you think gave that to the governments?
Everyone's trying to call the aliens deceivers, And all I'm
seeing is transparency. I'm seeing I'm seeing the aliens explain

(01:49:36):
exactly what they're doing and how they're going about it.
And then the government's the ones whore trying to hold
onto that information and not give it out. And then
they're the ones who were deceiving and trying to find
a way to get the upper hand. But the aliens
appear to have been transparent about everything.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Shame on those selfish world powers man, shame on them.
Let me see. Roger Murray had a question, who's saying
Jessaver questioned doctor David Jacob's alien abductions? So with the
alien reductions, are human DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Hybred hybrid hybrid?

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:50:11):
So bad?

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
I guess he's asking, uh, doctor that Jacob think alien
abductions were what.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Our human DNA make hybrid?

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
So yeah, maybe human DNA, yeah exactly, Yeah, and that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
That is what Jacobs did also summarize too. Yeah. So
it's really interesting the way the different researchers have approached this.
Some of them don't have that information, so they did
never made that conclusion, and then they kind of oppose
those ideas. And doctor David Jacobs, you know, I have
his book The Threat, and I look at his sources
where he gets them from, and he has he has

(01:50:47):
a handful, he could say, of abductees, and he only
did regressions on a couple of them, and he wasn't off.
He wasn't also a regressionist, by the way, So there's
a couple of things there but nonetheless he had some
information that seem to match my information as well too.
But when you look at his book, you know, you
don't find the aliens themselves being threatening, and you don't
find the aliens. It does appear to be a my

(01:51:08):
lab though, and I agree with that that does look
like Jacob's got a bit fooled or misled by some
of that information by possibly government sources, because I've never
found a contact events like the horrible ones he describes.
But nonetheless, the premise does appear to be the same,
so that they do plan to put those hybrids onto

(01:51:29):
the planet, and doctor David Jacobs did seem to summarize
that pretty early on.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
Yeah, all right, Matt Goodka is asking are they not
from another planet or are there more than them from
planets and other dimensions.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
All I can speak to are the aliens I'm interacting with,
which are what we call the Great Aliens, and those
guys are from an alternate Earth dimension that is in
the future. It's totally wacky, totally totally wacky, and it's
why we haven't known about it. I'm convinced because the
human the governments and everything couldn't figure the stuff out.
But it's it's like a. It's a it's like I

(01:52:05):
was shown it was shown it and it is a
like an etheric dimension. It's like a it's like a
planet that has a an etheric ghost realm in it.
I guess you could call it like an etheric plasma realm.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
And and that's linked to our planet. It's here right now.
And the idea that the universe is not it's not
just a physical universe like we see it. You look
out the stars and you see stars and everything. We
see the galaxies, and we think that's our that's it.
The universe is that it, that's it, And it's not.
It's stacked with other dimensions on top or within it,
I guess you could say. And so, yeah, there's this

(01:52:41):
dimension right here right now that's surrounding our Earth and
it's a whole other realm and uh, and that's where
the and and then it's because it's something to do
with the the ethereal realms. It's sped up or it's
in the future, so it's not from our realm. And
so when they come with to us, they can they
can go to different points in time. It's totally nuts
and so the entities I'm interacting with, that's where they're

(01:53:04):
originating from.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
All right, and a quick question, and so answer the question,
and then also tell everybody where they can find you.
What do you think three I Atlas is gonna be
once we get to see it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Yeah, I don't. I think it's a comment personally.

Speaker 8 (01:53:19):
I listen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
I love astronomy, and I was I took astronomy and university,
and humans have continuously been thrown for a loop with space.
We keep thinking we understand the nature of existence, and
we keep not understanding it, and space keeps throwing us
with surprises all the time. We didn't know water was everywhere,

(01:53:42):
We didn't understand what can what makes up. We still
don't even know what the nature of the universe itself.
So yeah, so I think it's a comment personally.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Jeff slver dot com is where you can find them
and where else?

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Yeah, I got well from that website www dot Jeff
silverste Channel Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
All right, Jeff, thanks for coming in. I have a
great rest of your night, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
We'll talk so thanks a lot, Rob, thanks for having me.
Thanks everybody, take care out Radio Space out Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
You've tuned your dial.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
To the right frequency.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
All right, everybody, awesome stuff. I want to thank our
guests here Jeff Silver for being an awesome, great conversation.
We're gonna get into an axra pack hour three, so
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Speaker 12 (02:00:33):
Welcome to Tales Untold and Missing Person's Mysteries on Space
Out Radios after Hours. My name is Steve Stockton, and
I'm here to take you on a journey of mysteries,
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adventure of tales, untold and missing person mysteries.

Speaker 8 (02:00:53):
On the night of June.

Speaker 12 (02:00:54):
Twentieth, nineteen sixty five, four young men drove into the
Mohave Desert, ninety miles northwest of Las Vegas, seeking a thrill.
Their destination a remote, foreboding limestone chasm, a geothermal abyss
known as Devil's Hole. Ignoring the warning signs, Paul jen
Contieri nineteen, David Rose twenty, and Bill Alter nineteen scrambled

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under a fence and descended to a rock shelf overlooking
the pool. Donning rudimentary scuba gear, the three slipped into
what has been described as womb like waters. A constant
ninety two degrees fahrenheit, But sometime after midnight the thrill
turned to terror. Paul failed to a surface. In a
frantic attempt to find his friend, David dove back in,

(02:01:40):
followed by Bill. Bill descended one hundred and seventy five
feet before losing sight of David, who vanished into the
vast liquid darkness.

Speaker 8 (02:01:49):
He was the only one of the three to emerge.

Speaker 12 (02:01:52):
A massive rescue effort was launched, with divers plumbing the
caverns checking for air pockets where the boys might have survived.

Speaker 8 (02:01:58):
They found nothing.

Speaker 12 (02:02:00):
The bodies of Paul Jenkinterry and his brother in law
David Rose were never recovered. They were simply gone, swallowed
by a whole named for the Devil. This tragedy serves
as a stark entry point into a deeper, more unsettling inquiry.
What is the nature of the connection between places bearing
strange and belevolent names Devil, the oblo witch, ghost, and

(02:02:25):
the human tragedies of disappearance and death that so often
seem to cluster around him. Are these names mere linguistic artifacts,
historical footnotes on a map, or do they signify something
more profound about the landscape itself, perhaps a warning etched
into our geography. To even approach an answer, this video

(02:02:46):
will employ a multidisciplinary analysis examining these locations through the
lens of toponymy, which is the study of place names, folklore,
environmental psychology, and Fortian theory named after Charles for it,
which investigates anomalous phenomena. These ominously named locations are not

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merely passive backdrops for tragedy, but are often active participants.
There are liminal zones where the boundaries between myth and reality,
sacred and profane, presence and absences become terrifyingly thin. The
act of disappearance in these context represents the ultimate, irreversible
crossing of that threshold. The names themselves are the warnings

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posted at the gate markers of a territory where the
familiar rules of the world may no longer apply. To
understand the power of a name like Devil's Whole, one
must first understand the science of naming itself. To eponymy,
the academic study of place names posits that names are
not arbitrary labels, but rather rich historical and psychological data

(02:03:54):
points derived from the Greek topos or place an Onoma
name field operates on the foundational principle that every place
name has a meaning, whether it describes a physical feature,
records evidence of human occupation, or commemorates an event and friends.
The United States itself is literally littered with diabolical toponyms.

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There are at least ninety six features named Devil's Canyon,
eighty three named Devil's Elbow, and thirty four named Devil's whole,
among hundreds of others. Now, these names aren't random, They
are a cultural record of perception, fear, and experience. Now,
the names we assigned the places profoundly influence our relationship

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with him. A concept central to environmental psychology, a sense
of place, if you will, refers to the complex bond
between people and spatial settings, the two way transaction where
we shape our places and in turn they shape us.
A name like Devil's punch bowl or a Hell's half
acre immediately establishes a negative sense of place, priming visitors

(02:05:01):
for an experience of danger or awe. This psychological priming
can have tangible effects. Research and perception has shown that
fear can physically alter our interpretation of the environment. For example,
studies have found that people consistently overestimate vertical distances when
looking down from a high place, and this bias correlates

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directly with their self reported fear of heights. This suggests
that a feature named Devil's peak may be perceived as
objectively taller, steeper, and more dangerous than an identical neutrally
named glen form, creating a self fulfilling prophecy of peril.
A fascinating parallel can be drawn to the recently identified

(02:05:43):
psychological phenomenon of alexnomia, the fear of using personal names
in conversation, which is strongly linked to social anxiety and
psychological distress.

Speaker 8 (02:05:54):
One could argue that the cultural.

Speaker 12 (02:05:55):
Form of alex andomia exists around these malevolent place names
as well. The name itself becomes so freighted with negative
connotations and folkloric dread that it induces a collective state
of fear and avoidance, transforming a simple geographical feature into
a locusts of anxiety. The profusion of devil names across

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the American landscape cannot be separated from the history of
colonial expansion. As historian James Loewen has argued, many of
these names are not organic descriptions, but acts of cultural
and psychological warfare. Christian European settlers, viewing Indigenous religions as
the form of devil worship, often deliberately applied strange or

(02:06:38):
diabolical names to Native American sacred sites. This act of
renaming served to descrate the location, erase its original spiritual significance,
and superimposing new, fearful narrative. Two the most prominent examples
are Devil's Tower in Wyoming and Mount Diablo in California.
Before American exploration, Devil's Tower was known to the Lakota

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and other Plains tribes the names like Matto, Tipelia, or
Bear Lodge, a name directly tied to their sacred creation myths.
The current name was bestowed by an expedition led by
Colonel Richard Irving Dodge, who claimed the Indians called it
Bad God's Tower, a translation that's highly suspect. It's widely
believed to be either a deliberate mistranslation or an intentional

(02:07:26):
change to supplant the indigenous worldview with a Christian one. Similarly,
California's Mount Diablo was a sacred creation site for local tribes.
Its current name stems from misunderstanding by Spanish soldiers after
a group of Native Americans seemingly vanished into a thicket,
The unnerved soldiers dubbed the spot Monte Diablo or Thicket

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of the Devil. Later American settlers mistook Monte Thicket or
mount and erroneously applied the name of a small spooky
grove to the entire three thousand, eight hundred forty nine
foot sacred Peak. Now, the act of applying a diabolical
name to a landscape, however, is not a static historical event,
but the initiation of a powerful feedback loop.

Speaker 8 (02:08:11):
The name itself generates fear.

Speaker 12 (02:08:14):
This fear, in turn, crimes people to interpret any subsequent
ambiguous or tragic event a disappearance, a strange sound, and
untimely death as confirmation of the name's malevolent accuracy.

Speaker 8 (02:08:26):
An event like the.

Speaker 12 (02:08:27):
Nineteen sixty five drownings that Devil's hole becomes easier to
process through the supernatural lens provided by the name the
Devil took them, then through the complex realities of hydrogeology,
nitrogen narcosis, and pure human error. This tragedy then becomes
a new potent layer of folklore, permanently fused to the
place's identity, and the story of the missing teens is

(02:08:50):
now inseparable from Devil's Hole. This reinforced reputation for danger
and mystery attracts a new generation of thrill seekers, like
the themselves, who were possibly inspired by earlier reports of
the whole strangeness, or those with darker fascinations like cult
leader Charles Manson, who became obsessed with the sight. This

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increases the statistical probability of further incidents, which further cements
the location's dark renown. In this cycle, the name is
not merely a label. It's an active agent in the
creation and perpetuation of a place's malevolent identity. The process
by which a sacred place is overridden with a profane
name and the dark consequences that seem to follow, is

(02:09:35):
nowhere more evident than in the histories of California's Mount
Diablo and Wyoming's Devil's Tower. These two iconic peaks serve
as powerful case studies and toponomic erasure, and the unsettling
residence between myth and modern tragedy. Now long before it
was named for the devil, Mount Diablo was the center

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of the universe for the Oloni and Miwok peoples. It
was the point of creation, a sacred peak known by
names like Tushstock, meaning at the dawn of time. Their
mists tell of a great flood that covered the world,
leaving only the summits of Mount Diablo and a neighboring.

Speaker 8 (02:10:12):
Peak as islands.

Speaker 12 (02:10:14):
From here, creator beings like coyote and eagle brought forth
a new world and new people. The mountain was not
a place of fear, but the very cradle of existence,
a sight of immense spiritual power. This sacred foundation was
overwritten by a ghost story. In eighteen oh five, a
Spanish military expedition pursued a group of Chumpcan Indians who

(02:10:35):
were treated into a dense willow thicket in what is
now known as North Concord. As darkness fell, the soldiers,
undern by strange lights and noises, decided not to follow.
By morning, the natives were gone, having seemingly vanished. The
frightened soldiers steeped in a Catholic worldview where the devil
was a real and active forest, dubbed the area Monte

(02:10:58):
Diablo Thicket of the Devil. The name first appeared on
a map in eighteen twenty four, referring to an Indian
village near the Thicket. Through a crucial linguistic error, later
American explorers mistook the Spanish monte from mount and transferred
the name from the localized Spooky Thicket to the entire
massive peak that dominated the horizon. Today, the theme of disappearance,

(02:11:22):
born from that original legend continues to haunt the mountain.
While the California Department of Justice Missing Person's database doesn't
attribute specific cases directly to a supernatural cause on the mountain,
the vast wilderness of Mount Diablo State Park is a
place where people can and do become lost. We've covered
cases there. The founding legend of inexplicable vanishing resonates in

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modern folklore of giant ghostly figures seen near the summit
and the discovery of an old playing crash site. The
mountain retains its original mythic function as a place where
people can and do disappear, Continuing in the plains of
northeastern Wyoming, another sacred tower, as I mentioned, tells a
similar story for numerous tribes, including the Lakota, Cheyenne, and Arapahoe.

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The stunning igneous intrusion we call Devil's Tower is known
as Bear Lodge or Bear's teepee. Its origin is explained
in a powerful and recurring myth. In most versions, a
group of children, often young girls or boys, are pursued
by a ferocious, giant bear. Praying for salvation. They're lifted
into the sky as a rock beneath them racously rises

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from the earth. The bear, relentless close at the sides
of the rising tower, leaving the deep vertical striations that
mark its surface. To this day, the tower is a
place of refuge, a sanctuary from a monstrous threat. This
sacred narrative was subplaneted in the eighteen seventies when Colonel
Richard Irving Dodge's expedition named it Devil's Tower. The act

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remains controversial, viewed as a deliberate erasure of indigenous culture,
and petitions to restore the original name continued.

Speaker 8 (02:13:04):
To this day.

Speaker 12 (02:13:05):
The new name, however, brought with it a new kind
of darkness. In nineteen sixty five, the ancient myth of
a monstrous threat to children found a horrific modern echo.
Nine year old Denise Clinton was kidnapped from a hotel
in Kansas City for two years.

Speaker 8 (02:13:21):
Her fate was unknown.

Speaker 12 (02:13:22):
Then in nineteen sixty seven, two cowboys discovered her skeletal
remains in a shallow grave in a ravine directly in
the shadow.

Speaker 8 (02:13:30):
Of Devil's Tower. The case remains unsolved.

Speaker 12 (02:13:34):
For Denise's sister, Diana Clinton White, the landmark became a
symbol of ultimate evil.

Speaker 8 (02:13:41):
Quote this place became the evil in.

Speaker 12 (02:13:43):
My head in my heart end, quote she recalled decades
later upon visiting the site to place a memorial. The tower,
once a mythic sanctuary for children, became the backdrop for
child's demise. Even the rational dangers of the tower seemed
to follow a mythic pattern. Of the seven climbing fatalities
recorded at the site, most occurred not on the ascent,

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but during the repelled down, a perilous descent from a
place that, in legend was a refuge one could not
easily leave. These tragedies associated with these places exhibit a
disturbing resonance with their foundational myths or the etymology of
their names. This is not a claim of direct causation,
but a recognition of a powerful thematic parallel that gives

(02:14:30):
these locations their deep, unsettling power. The landscape itself seems
to function as a stage where ancient dramas are re
enacted in modern horrific forms. At Mount Diablo, whose name
derives from a story of inexplicable vanishing, the enduring mystery
is disappearance. That Devil's Tower, the Bear's Lodge, whose myths
tell of a monstrous bear threatening children. The most infamous

(02:14:53):
modern crime is the demise of a child. Lift in
its shadow. The stories we tell about a place and
names we give it appear to create a potent archetypical framework.
It shapes how we experience and interpret the tragedies that
unfold there.

Speaker 1 (02:15:09):
That's right, Steve Stocktor tells untold missing person mysteries. Awesome
stuff is always Steve Stockton. His voice is just crazy. Right.
You can listen to the guy reading the recipe to
chicken noodle soup and he'll make it sound good. Definitely
appreciate him being a part of Space our radio nap
hours radio show. That means it's time for the after

(02:15:32):
hours wrap up with our guy Drew Bank. You let's
jump right on into it, Yournavable monster them mad, I'm
gonna eat ye, get in my dem ahead.

Speaker 6 (02:15:47):
Ahead, got not.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
You los.

Speaker 1 (02:16:03):
Yep, yep, yep. It is about that time. Drew Banky's
stepping on in with the after hours wrap up on
what I Feel Like Maybe I'm Wrong? Was another awesome
show here tonight. Jeff Silver is the guest, thanking him
once again for coming in. Drew, I know you've been
hanging out, You've been posting in the comments and mingling
with the chat fam out there. What did you think

(02:16:24):
about tonight's interview? Did you I know you were chiming
in on some thing, so I know you got a
few things to talk about. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 13 (02:16:31):
I'm always always vibing with Jeff.

Speaker 14 (02:16:33):
You know, he's uh, he's team positive et and believes that,
you know, at a certain point there's uh, you know,
duality kinds of phades away, and I believe that's I
believe that's true as well.

Speaker 1 (02:16:45):
I I don't.

Speaker 13 (02:16:45):
I don't think duality is a cosmic truth.

Speaker 14 (02:16:50):
I think it's the truth in our timeline right now,
and I think it's a I think it's truth in
the three D reality. Ultimately, I think three D reality
is a lesson in duality, and once we get past that,
that's that's when we're able to step out the three D. So, yeah,
I totally vibe with Jeff. You know a lot of
things he's talking about he brung up. You know, the

(02:17:13):
aquifer just so happens to be the aquifer that I
draw my water from. And my well is the same
aquifer that's spoken about.

Speaker 13 (02:17:22):
So we're on the.

Speaker 14 (02:17:23):
Western edge of that aquifer, uh, that we that Crustone
taps into. And yeah, talking about cities, you know that
that could be Sedona, that could be Crustone for all
we know.

Speaker 13 (02:17:36):
You know, that's uh.

Speaker 14 (02:17:38):
You know, if if anyone knows about these towns, like
the town that I live in, it has one of them.
It has one of the highest populations of of of
Buddhist monks and Hindu monks in the United States. It's uh,
you know, there's there's all these different interesting spiritual facts
about our town. There's over twenty eight different spiritual retreat

(02:18:00):
centers in Crestone. So you know, this is and people
always talk about to live here, you know, you kind
of have to be accepted by the land in the area,
and you kind of have to be part of.

Speaker 13 (02:18:13):
The plan for this area.

Speaker 14 (02:18:15):
It's been talked about for years, like even when we
rented here before you know, we lived here prior to
buying here years ago, back in the late teens. So
towns like this exist around vortexes and you know, energy
points around the world. A lot of people believe that
there's there's a special energy point here in Crestone that

(02:18:36):
draws people here and is why people are drawn here.

Speaker 13 (02:18:39):
So these towns.

Speaker 14 (02:18:43):
I've been shown that there's going to be five areas
in the world that's going to be part of and
it's God, it's a large areas. But I was shown
in dreams and visions and stuff like that years ago
that there's gonna be five points on the earth that
was going to be inhabited by groups of people. So

(02:19:06):
and Crestone and this valley is one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:19:09):
That is awesome and real quick because I like this
to be educational as well, and there's definitely gonna be
some people out there they don't get the UFO community
jargons right, and conscious community jargon as well. So when
you say duality just for the radio people out there's
people just fresh to the subject.

Speaker 14 (02:19:28):
Explain what you mean by that to find that for them,
just the idea that there has to be a Yan
and a yang, you know, I believe at one point,
you know, just the acceptance that you know, like Jeff
was talking, you know, he firmly believes that or deeply believes.

(02:19:48):
I should say that there's a connectiveness. The illusion of
separateness is has permeated you know, human kind for for generations,
and it's it's something we have to on do. And
by ondoing that, you you kind of realize that there

(02:20:11):
is no duality, like there is no there is no
ying in Yang in the grand scheme of things. Maybe
maybe in this reality that we're living in right now,
the three D and physical reality, everything is dictated by
good and bad. You know, Mom and Dad, there's it's
there's everything that's pushed against each other, uh, creating separateness,

(02:20:33):
creating the illusion of separateness.

Speaker 3 (02:20:35):
You know.

Speaker 14 (02:20:35):
I I That's why I was really interested in listening
to Jeff get deeper into his thoughts, and it.

Speaker 13 (02:20:43):
Just solidified what I what I thought the last time
he was on the show.

Speaker 14 (02:20:46):
You know, he's I believe that he's has some very
deep experiences, and I believe he's had bona fide contact
experiences because this level of consciousness is a byproduct of
these these interactions, and maybe it's vice versa.

Speaker 1 (02:21:05):
You know, who knows.

Speaker 14 (02:21:06):
Maybe the consciousness plays a role, you know, either way,
it's deeply connected, you know. You know he brought up
he brought up a good friend of mine, Chris Bludsall.
I was just talking to him actually, as as the
show was going on, I was talking to him. He's
traveling right now and trying to lock him down for
an interview on this show. But yeah, he's bringing up

(02:21:27):
Chris blood Cell, you know his It's something when you
you hear someone talk and you can just kind of
you understand where they've what they've seen, and what they've
been through. You know, a lot of a lot of
people that's to this level of consciousness or I don't
want to say levels because I don't think it's there

(02:21:48):
there's any hierarchy in it, or you know, anything's better
or worse than the other. It's just experiences. But that
the acceptance that everything is one is is very deeply
understood by by a lot of people that's had very
deep experiences.

Speaker 13 (02:22:06):
And it could be with you know, near death experiences.

Speaker 14 (02:22:12):
Bloodsoe has had near death experiences, Uh, at least one
that I at least one or two that I know
of so that he speaks on and I've I've had
that as well, and it's something about about losing that
and seeing that you know there is no end to it.
It's it's just a it's really eternal thing that keeps

(02:22:33):
going on over and over and over again. So yeah,
you know, circling back to Jeff, he's he's great and
I love to hear his input on things. I love
to hear and speak. I think he's I think he's
speaking truth that people need to hear.

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
So yeah, yeah, it's always great stuff with the Jeff
and and and so I told him Againning it's just
like in my roodex of go to guys on the phenomenon.
I think there we we showcased some very uh important
voices I feel like in in trying to figure this
thing out. And at the end of the day, that's

(02:23:10):
what all this is about. You know, we get together,
we do have a great time, but I think at
the same time we were also trying to get questions
answered because a lot of us have experienced some things
that we just don't get and we just don't understand.
And even in the idea that that you know, with
some who may feel that they have the messages interpreted already.

(02:23:32):
You just uh, you know, I think things can be
looked at in a few different ways, which is which
is why I want to we talk about the enlightened city,
the city, you know, and it being in the hearts
of America and maybe the metaphorical heart as well, and
and uh, maybe the city is metaphorical that on this
show here we have in our listeners on radio. That's

(02:23:55):
a community, a city. I feel like we're building an
enlightened city or community, uh, in the metaphorical sense. So
but I think it all goes together and I think
the message is still the same at the end of
the day. So uh, that's good stuff. We're gonna go
ahead and get into our final break of the night,
Real Quick Space Out Radio, the after hours radio show

(02:24:15):
with me, mister rab G, this guy Drew Banky, who's
been chilling and giving great perspective. We'll be right back
after this break. Don't go anywhere, all right, We are clear,

(02:24:47):
We are clear. Let's see who excuse me? Okay, So,
and both could be true.

Speaker 14 (02:24:55):
It could be it could be a physical city, and
it could be it could be a community, it could
be a this community, which is you know what I've
seen the pattern of this being lots of times there
is multiple truths out of like these statements or things
that people channel and stuff like that. Lots of times
there is multiple and that that kind of goes circles

(02:25:18):
back to showing that everything has multiple realities, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:25:23):
Yeah, and maybe it's a mental exercise. I mean it's
if it's all about consciousness, it would make sense, you
know that that a lot of this stuff is meant
to be parsed and figured out using using that that
thing you got inside your skull, uh called called the
human computer the brain there.

Speaker 13 (02:25:42):
But yeah, hold on, you gotta show the shirt off.
I gotta show this shirt off.

Speaker 1 (02:25:48):
Hold on, let me let me bring you up full screen.
Gonna do that. How to exit your back way, Let
me move the banner. Hold on, buddy, I can't see that.
Let me see how to exit your body for beginners.
And it's the kid. It was okay, So explain that, man,
I think I'm missing it.

Speaker 8 (02:26:10):
Well, the kid's sleeping.

Speaker 6 (02:26:12):
This is.

Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
Okay. There's a message in there though I know there's
a message in there.

Speaker 14 (02:26:19):
Oh yeah, it's I mean dreaming, that's how you know.
If you if you look, uh look up dreamers, you know,
looking back on ancient texts and stuff like that. People
always talk about, you know, the dreamers of communities being
you know, viewed and respected and and their dreams be

(02:26:41):
interpreted for and trying to figure out like what is.

Speaker 8 (02:26:46):
Was the thing?

Speaker 14 (02:26:47):
But it's just a funny shirt I found in the
thrift store a few weeks ago that I was just
in there and I found a shirt. I was like, man,
that's perfect for me, Like I because I'm a dreamer,
like I'm, I'm I know that I've had precardission dreams
and yeah, it's just I want I want to spread

(02:27:09):
their awareness and what better way is to U share
it in like a funny shirt way.

Speaker 13 (02:27:14):
So look, this is like my favorite shirt ever.

Speaker 1 (02:27:18):
It's awesome. It's that retros. It reminds me of the
eighties sort of you know what I mean, Nancy Drew
sort of art style, you know what I mean. Yeah,
that's what I get from it.

Speaker 14 (02:27:30):
Uh, like cabbage passed out, No, not cabbage passed as
but garbage pill those cards, remember those cards that had
all the weird stuff on it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:40):
Yeah, garbage pill kids, Yeah, garbage kids.

Speaker 8 (02:27:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:27:44):
But it's it's it's that style like humor type of thing.
I actually looked up the shirt brand and they have
a whole they have a whole line of them, like
different things that are just funny, but this one in particular,
and one of them is like uh uh meeting aliens
for beginners and stuff like that.

Speaker 13 (02:28:03):
Like it's just uh, it's just all types of fun
consciousness uh T shirts.

Speaker 1 (02:28:11):
And I want to put bring a couple of things
up here. We got Miss Captain Jones who gave awesome
super chat here tonight, which is one of the best
ways to support the show here. We do appreciate when
you do that. Uh So, miss Catherine Jones, thank you
so much for that awesome super chat. Also uh T
Bone who gifted Space out radio membership and gave it
to nice Nice t Bone is awesome like that. And

(02:28:36):
then also Kitty Caddy Wag wanted to drop some information
here saying yes, mister robb Gi another stellar show. Always
Robins host goes along with the great show as well.
I appreciate Drew Banky. He had the great perspective to
the show and that's that's that's what the the the
designed formula and I'm glad that that appreciate you stating

(02:28:56):
that because that is the goal. That is the exact goal,
exactly what you put there, So awesome point out and
thanks for taking the time to do that. Also for
anyone else who had come in late, if you wouldn't
mind just taking the time to hit that like button
or dislike button. Let's trying to get the likes over
one hundred. I don't know where we're at again, but
it would definitely help out since this subject is shadowband

(02:29:20):
in the general search results. So we'd love to get
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at the end of the day, we all need to
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We're coming back right now, all right, everybody, welcome back
spaced out radio. That after that was the radio show
after our number three back half of the third hours.
This is the home stretch. We're going home. We're going

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home right now. We got Drew Banking in the building
with the half hours wrap up. Also, once again we
want to thank our guests earlier tonight, Jeff zelb being awesome.
He's an awesome guy. He will be back for sure.
He's that type of guest. Also, we steam stocked and
also definitely appreciate him. If you miss anything tonight, I'm
telling you you can go listen to it again because

(02:30:27):
it's in the archives and it's free spaced Out Radio
YouTube dot com for spaced Out Radio. So getting back
into the alfter hours wrap up here. So, yeah, we
were talking about, you know, some of the stuff could
be metaphorical and it's all about you know, yeah, on
the it could be both as well as what you
said during the break and I feel the same way

(02:30:48):
I think it is. I think it definitely might be
one of those double n time just sort of situations
where it means both things. And it could definitely mean
both things because we do there is some bill. Then
we're gonna have to do post disclosure some rebuilding. There's
no doubt about that. And uh, you know, we definitely
have to shift the energy the frequency that's going on

(02:31:11):
on this planet right now, it's not great. And we'll
be having devs Shott here within a couple of weeks
here to help raise that frequency and vibration. Always calling
her to come in and do that, and we need
it more than ever right now. So can't wait for that.
Did you have anything you want to add to that,
Drew Banking?

Speaker 14 (02:31:31):
Yeah, Dev's is always great, you know, she always has
has some great insight and everything. But yeah, just looking
forward to that. And yeah, there's there's a lot of
things happening we need to keep our eyes out for,
and like patterns, you know, there's there's always patterns before
things happen.

Speaker 13 (02:31:50):
Like I believe that we're getting ready like.

Speaker 14 (02:31:55):
That the war drums are are are sounding off, even
though like we're trying to put it off. It in
the Middle East, like where like we're here for peace
and like the United States is all about peace. We
are preparing for a major, a major scale war. And
I know this because there's documentaries coming out on on Netflix.

Speaker 13 (02:32:22):
One of them is called Marine. I think it's yeah, Marine.

Speaker 14 (02:32:27):
It's coming out on Netflix, and it's it's very clearly
like a recruitment video. And they always do this, like
within within a year or two of a big war,
they will start these documentaries. And so you're going to
see be seeing a lot more military true story like

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Loan Survivor type movies and things like that. But this
is this is classic of a pattern that we see
all the time of them, of them trying to build patriotism,
trying to build more and more recruits coming in and.

Speaker 13 (02:33:08):
Raise troop levels.

Speaker 14 (02:33:09):
You know, they go through this point and it's it's
crazy to see if you look back on it. They lower,
they lower troop levels, they say, Okay, we're going to
cut back troop levels, cut spending, cut back military uh funding,
start diverting in other ways, and then then this slope
goes up where they start putting out these movies, start
putting out these documentaries. Then there'd be some type of

(02:33:33):
situation that happens. You know, I don't know what who
knows what it's going to be, but it's going to
be real clear when it happens. Of just just mark
my words and look back and go back and listen
to this uh you know interview that we're talking about,

(02:33:54):
right now in the archives, you know, a year from
now when when some have happens and we declare war.
These documentaries and shows and stuff like that coming out
mainstream are a precursor to it.

Speaker 1 (02:34:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, as these things go to
the archive and we you know, it's as as Jeff
was talking about earlier, just and we talked about yesterday
as well, just things coming to light, things almost predictions.
I don't know if you can call them that, but

(02:34:32):
but it's almost like validation is more of the word.
I'm looking for validation on things that have been spoke
about before. And I think we talked about that last
night after the show, that it seems to be that
things get validated in a weird, scary way being you know,
sitting here being conduits and allowing information to kind of

(02:34:55):
just flow through you and you come out and talk
about these subjects that uh, you know a lot of
these things end up being validated in the end, and
it's a scary prospect. I know Jeff was talking about
that and some whistleblowers that come out with information that
align with statements that he had or things he had
been told or and may have even spoke about. Uh,

(02:35:18):
keep getting validated, and it's what do you what do
you think that's all about?

Speaker 13 (02:35:24):
Well, you know, I think it's it's.

Speaker 14 (02:35:27):
Tapping into that conscious stream, is kind of tapping into
that conscious highway.

Speaker 1 (02:35:32):
You know.

Speaker 14 (02:35:33):
The the Lakota have their origin story bases around the
Milky Way, and they talk about how it's it's kind
of like this consciousness stream in a way that that
you go that you come out of and go into
before and after death, like before and after death, like
before you're born, you're kind of in the Milky Way.
And they so they kind of visual the Milky ways,

(02:35:56):
kind of visualization of this consciousness stream. And in a way,
I think that's I think that's right. I think there's
there's frequencies, and I think we can tune into certain
frequencies of truth and consciousness. And that's why you hear
people talking about it sounds kind of like the same thing,

(02:36:18):
or they're they're talking about the same thing. But truth
is truth, you know, and this there's there's there's not
a whole lot of truth, but truth is truth.

Speaker 11 (02:36:28):
And that.

Speaker 14 (02:36:30):
When I when I'm what I'm talking about, the truth
I'm talking about is one that never changes, like cosmic truths,
you know, like the free will. You know, we've talked,
we talk all the time about free will and you know,
the right to creation, things like that. That being said,
the duality I don't believe is a cosmic truth. You know,
I believe I believe that's that's a here and now truth.

(02:36:54):
But I don't I don't believe it's like a cosmic truth.
I don't think it's through creation, you know, because you
know this, uh, the whole creation we're seeing, you know,
just a small part of it, like what what we're
the fractals of light that we're able to see and
produce a picture quote unquote picture of of what we're

(02:37:14):
what we're seeing and visually seeing. You know, if you're blind,
you wouldn't be able to see it. You're that and
if you're blind, you're blind. People have better smelling and
the other senses get heightened up, so they there their
frequencies of their other senses get heightened up to to
overtake that, you know, for the blindness being there.

Speaker 13 (02:37:36):
And that's and going all the way.

Speaker 14 (02:37:38):
Back to telepathy tapes, that's what forces uh, these mothers
on telepathy tapes to figure out that their autistic non
verbal children where communicating them through not only dreams, circling
all the way back to the beginning of that the
my of the third hour, you know, talking about dreams

(02:38:00):
that they're talking in waking state, talking through them telepathically,
you know, And it's it's because one of your senses
get taken away and it's forced you to see something else.
But ultimately, you know, when it takes a lot for
me to verbally say something like you know, from visions
or dreams or something like that, not so much as

(02:38:22):
it did in the beginning, it was it was really
hard to bring forth like and share something like that,
just for the just for the fear of backlash.

Speaker 13 (02:38:29):
You know, who do you think you are?

Speaker 6 (02:38:31):
Like?

Speaker 8 (02:38:32):
You know why?

Speaker 14 (02:38:33):
You know, why are you the one getting the dreams
or this, that and the other. I don't think I'm
the only one. I think I'm one of many. And
I think it's the people that are getting like I
said before, they are getting dreams. I think we all
have a part to play in it. So if you
have dreams or information and you have a brain desire
to share it, share it. And if you're wrong, you're wrong,
like you get get get over the scaredness of being

(02:38:56):
wrong or being ridiculed or something like that. There could
be I'm part of There could be truth in it,
or it could be all truth. You could have something
that might save someone's life from you know, a dreamer
or intuition that you had. You know, trust it, and
you know it's hard. Sometimes two have these dreams and

(02:39:20):
be asked to ship like in the dreams, to be
asked shown to share this and things like that and
some of the stuff.

Speaker 13 (02:39:27):
I don't you know, I didn't choose to do this.
This is not something I looked out.

Speaker 1 (02:39:30):
Or asked to do.

Speaker 14 (02:39:31):
I never asked to I never prayed to be the
person to like or be one of the people to
have precognition dreams and be asked to share them with public.
But it's something that I do because I believe it's important.

Speaker 1 (02:39:48):
Yeah, And it's it's weird how that goes. And I'm
glad you said that because I think it it it
rides that line of and you don't want to say
because I don't think it's necessarily that. I think what
it is is, however, the message is coming, it is

(02:40:10):
going out.

Speaker 6 (02:40:11):
And.

Speaker 1 (02:40:14):
Entities or people will just say people who may have
their frequency tuned already to a particular frequency, are able
to receive it, just like any radio. You got one
hundred radios on this table, but the only ones that
will play the music will be the ones that are
on the correct frequency. So it's not necessarily a choice thing.

(02:40:39):
And my eyes have been open to this, and I
you know, I've spoke to this before. I don't want
to keep pushing this like like I'm saying, Drew Banky
is this ultra god guy. But I'll tell you he's
been as far as this receiving things, and then those
things fleshing out later down the line, I can say
the guys is connected to some things. And then with

(02:41:02):
my own self, it's weird because and I said this
to Drew after last night's show, is that there's been
things along this path. As a host of a show,
you're gonna talk about different subjects. You can choose to
talk about what everyone else talks about, or you can
have your own perspective on things and once again not

(02:41:22):
being afraid to step out there and say the things
that are coming to you, because you know, I found
out I did that before, where I would talk about
a particular subject that no one else is talking about
at the time, and then I second guess it afterwards
and like, was that really you know, no one else
is talking about that, so is that even the right

(02:41:43):
thing to do or to say right now? And then
only for that thing to be validated six seven months
down the line, where now a bunch of people are
talking about that thing. And that's happened multiple times to
a point to where it's for me, it's more of
a hey, just stay open and let the thing flow, right,
So if it's just coming, let it present it, let

(02:42:04):
it flow, and it'll fall where it's supposed to fall.
And I think that's the message for other people out there.
And it goes back to Jeff's coming out video where
if you go back, and I recommend that you do,
go to his YouTube and watch it's coming out video
because it is it shows a moment where a person
is conflicting with that very thing, whereas like, do do

(02:42:28):
I open myself up you know, to be that that
conduit for the rest of the world, and it's it's real.
You get a lot from that fifteen minute video, So
I would definitely recommend going to watch that. It's a
real thing. I think It goes back to the what
everyone else knows of the gut feeling sort of thing
when they say trust your gut and that voice in

(02:42:51):
your head sort of thing. Listen to that voice, and
I think it's that's some of the same thing. What
do you What would you say to that?

Speaker 13 (02:43:00):
I would say, so, I mean, there's.

Speaker 14 (02:43:03):
There's a point when I when I realized like the voice,
and I wouldn't say voice, it was more like a
intuition or download. Like there's a point when when I
knew that it was something outside of myself, because it
was you know, you know, one of the first times
it was Osirius, and then eventually that all that, and

(02:43:25):
then it was Archangel Michael Jesus, and then it was
just source like all those all those other names and
everything kind of faded away at one point and then
it was sourced. And that's when I really like, that's
when it really hit me. Not I wouldn't say how
the universe works, but had I got a basic understanding

(02:43:49):
of where we where we come from, like where this
where this knowledge comes from. It's kind of like the
main frame, you know, the mainframe database that there's one
computer that that we.

Speaker 13 (02:44:02):
All can tap into.

Speaker 14 (02:44:03):
We we all have we all had the password, we
all had the ability to tap into. It's just a
matter of centering yourself in your heart enough to get
to that point, you know, and I've said it before,
the quickest way, you know is you know, psychedelics, things
like that, And I'm not advocating for only psychedelics, but
it's just a short cut to get there. But bringing

(02:44:27):
yourself in a mental state remembering like a really heartfelt
moment like h like the delivery, or you're first like
cutting the cord, or your first child, something like that,
where you're where you're you're in a surreal moment, but
you're also in like an extremely heart centered moment, like
you're completely in the moment when when you're when you're

(02:44:50):
cutting the cord for your first child or any child
really that that's you know, your child. I hope you're
not cutting the cord for someone else's child, but cutting
the court for your own child. You're in and that's
the key. You're in a completely in the moment moment,
totally heart centered, totally surreal, you're you know, it's it's

(02:45:13):
it's questionable whether it's really even happening. It your your
question in your mind, is this even happening. You're so
you're so overcome with emotion, you're either crying or laughing.
You know, it's just you're so deep in it. But
the most important thing is you're completely in the moment.
And and there's not a whole lot of points that
people that the general public can say that they are

(02:45:35):
completely in the moment. You know, you're always got your
phone or thinking about what's gonna have, you know, appointment,
or what what you got to do tomorrow, the grocery list,
or something that happened.

Speaker 1 (02:45:46):
In the past.

Speaker 14 (02:45:47):
Being completely in the moment is the key to connecting
to that that that super consciousness highway, and that that's
that's what That's why psychedelics are very helpful, because they
force you to be in the moment, like.

Speaker 1 (02:46:02):
Well, that's awesome stuff, and I think that's a positive message,
positive place to leave everything for the night. I'm gonna
go ahead and get out of it. Let you go,
Drew Banky, so I can get into the UFO news.
We'll be back here doing the same thing as you
already know. Uh next week, you got anything any that
was beautiful what you just left with, But do you
have any last words.

Speaker 14 (02:46:21):
You want to give much love everybody you know. MUS
love to see it. See it when I see it
next time.

Speaker 1 (02:46:28):
So appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. That is Drew Banky,
Drewski I'll be talking to you, Sue, sir, talk later, Yes, sir,
all right, Drew Banky with the after hours wrap up. Guys,
we're getting right on into the UFO and Weird News
of the week. Let's go, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 8 (02:46:48):
Can I please have your attention.

Speaker 3 (02:46:52):
I've just been handed an.

Speaker 1 (02:46:53):
Emergency and florifying goods story.

Speaker 5 (02:47:01):
You stop what you're doing, all right?

Speaker 1 (02:47:09):
UFO and Weird News of the week. Excuse we got
a frog on my throat here, Sorry about that. Experts
reveal bleak reality of how humanity will how humanity will
really end. Experts have explained the most likely plausible scenarios
which will cause the world to end. If you were

(02:47:32):
a betting man or woman and someone were to ask
you to guess how the world would end, what would
you say? For some morbid reason, us humans seem rather
obsessed with speculating and worrying about how the world will end.
From the ancient religious scholars, preaching about armageddon to conspiracy

(02:47:55):
theorists on fringe internet forums, the end is certainly always.

Speaker 7 (02:48:01):
So.

Speaker 1 (02:48:01):
How do the world's experts think the world is going
to come to an end? Climate change, catastrophic natural disaster,
alien invasion all question marks. Well, it turns out humanity's
extinction could come some from a little something closer to home.
That's right, folks. Our demise is said to be more

(02:48:24):
likely to come as a result of our own actions
than a supervolcano or little green men in flying saucers.
Nuclear war. Ever since J. Robert Oppenheimer uttered the words
I am become death the shattered of the shatterer of

(02:48:46):
worlds back in nineteen forty five, notions about the destructive
capacity of nuclear weapons have been a constant fear for humanity.
Excluding the bombing of Hiroshima and not Asaki, none of
the world's nuclear powers have ever crossed the line and
dropped an atomic bomb. However, it only takes one misunderstanding

(02:49:10):
or mistake to cause mutually assured destruction. Nuclear war could
end civilization in the space of a few hours. Doctor
Rhees Kriiley, an expert at the International Relations from University
of Glasgow, told a male online climate quote. Climate change
is a slow burning crisis that is already reshaping our world,

(02:49:32):
but will get worse in the future, whilst nuclear weapons
pose the possibility of instant total devastation for the planet.
As it stands, there are nine countries which are confirmed
to possess nuclear weapons. These are the United States, Russia, China, France,
the United Kingdom, India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea. There

(02:49:58):
doesn't even need to be a deck of war for
a nuclear disaster either, as proven by Vacilly archipap the
Soviet naval officer who prevented all out war during nineteen
sixty two's Cuban missile crisis. Bomb's rating radiation down from

(02:50:19):
on our cities isn't the only man made danger to
our lives, as it's possible the boom in artificial intelligence
could one day come back to bite us. According to
Jeffrey Hinton aka the Godfather of AI, said there was
a ten percent to twenty percent chance of artificial intelligence
causing the apocalypse during an interview on BBC Radio four. Quote.

(02:50:44):
We've never had to deal with things more intelligent than
ourselves before, he said. The situation we're in now is
that most of the experts in the field think that
sometime within probably the next twenty years, we're going to
develop AIS that are smarter than people, and that's a
very scary thought. Meanwhile, the Center for AI Safety previously

(02:51:05):
released a warning urging people to consider AI as a
big of a threat to humanity as pandemics and nuclear war. Well,
mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a
global priority along other societal scale risks such as pandemics
and nuclear war. Read the statement below, and that is

(02:51:29):
a scary, scary story, and it's true though it is
something that could happen in a blink of an eye.
Nuclear war, right, and as we know, extraterrestrial presence is
attracted to nuclear war. Some say they're here to prevent
that from happening. And if you've seen in the news lately,

(02:51:50):
the president of this country, United States of America, is
considering restarting nuclear testing. And so you have to wonder
if that's going to be allowed by the extraterrestrial presence.
Will the extraterrestrial presence Will that cause the extra terrestrial
presence to step out in numbers at the idea that

(02:52:13):
that countries are gonna begin testing nuclear weapons again, bad idea.
If you ask me, I think there's a large area
in the Nevada Desert that says we probably shouldn't be
doing that. But that being said, definitely want to thank
everybody who came in tonight. Want to thank our guest
Jeff Silver for coming in and being awesome during hours

(02:52:34):
one and two. We also want to thank Drew Banking
without ours wrap up our number three, Steve Stockton tells
and told mispars the mysteries. We also want to thank
the man that you hear rank there, mister Ron Bumblefiict Doll.
He's the man that tells us never say never again,
because yes, guess what, the phenomenon is real, very very real,

(02:52:56):
which means anything and everything we talk about beneath that
is definitely possible. Well, if you enjoy the show tonight,
make sure you throw your horns up. We do appreciate
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(02:53:39):
You can best believe we will be back doing the
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and take care of others if you have the ability
to do so. We're out of here.

Speaker 6 (02:54:19):
Sh