Nov. 10/25 - ET Abduction with Les Velez - Spaced Out Radio

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to the radio and podcast side of
spaced Out Radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott from
the Opus Network. We are proud to have Les Valise
in the show tonight talking about et contact.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's so much more.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
We are in roll call on our YouTube side right now,
and so we are going to say hello to Walter Kotchebinski.
How's it going. Nice to have you here as well.
Let us say hello to fast HEMI good to have
you here.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
We are caught up, caught up. Be like Andrew. The
super chat is open. It's a wonderful way to support
what we do on this show nightly. Because we're here nightly,
you can shop at our spaced Out Radio store. We
do not have ugly swag. You can join our YouTube
membership and go to cariboo dot make that caribou con
dot com. Caribou con dot com. Get your tickets VIP

(00:58):
tickets on sale for a few months here right now,
All right, super crazy, how are you throw your horns up?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Everybody? Let's rock.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Are you ready to hear your mister Voice of the Knights,
he's here, the choirs, He's ready. Useless, let's point.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Our ears tools so you can come in.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Knicks went together, My friends.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Oh last time for spaced Out Radio with Dave Scotch.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
From the mountains of Central British Columbia to you listening
around the world. This, my friends, is spaced Out Radio.
I am your host, Dave Scott, sitting in the Captain's
chair of SA our headquarters. We welcome you to tonight's show
on our terrestrial affiliates around North America digitally on every
major podcast network our website spaced Out Radio dot com.

(02:12):
We have a plethro of features for you. Rockout, bubblefoot,
read the news wire, check out our swag as well.
You can follow us on Exit, spaced Out Radio, Instagram
at spaced Out Radio Show, and on Patreon in the
Space Travelers Club. Tonight's show is brought to you by
Chive Charities. Help make the world ten percent happier by

(02:35):
visiting Chive Charities today if you can find them on
our website. We are in for an amazing show tonight
from the Opus Network. Les Valz is coming in to
talk about all things et at alien abduction. Then in

(02:56):
our number three swamp Dweller will join us for another
cre story. We're going to follow that up with the
UFO Wizard Josh Rutledge, live tonight once again in our
number three. So let's get right to it. We got
a good friend of this show back on. Les Valise
is a leading voice in the UFO and alien abduction research,

(03:17):
known for his groundbreaking work helping experiencers process and understand
their encounters. A former US Army officer and longtime mof
ON investigator, Less co founded the Organization for Paranormal Understanding
and Support called OPUS, a global network for offering guidance
and community for people facing and explained phenomena. With over

(03:38):
three decades in the field, he has interviewed countless and
abductees at contact Ease, documenting the psychological, physical, and spiritual effects.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
As an author of the Unknown Other and the existential
proposition of alien contact, Less explores what these encounters reveal
about human consciousness and our place in the universe. Opusnetwork
dot org is the website. Let's bring them on in
Les Valees. It is always a pleasure to have you
on spaced out Radio. How you doing, my friend, Dave,

(04:14):
my friend, It is so good to have you back on.
It's been way too long and I know you love
these subjects at heart, you know, I mean, you've been
doing this for three decades. Does it ever get boring?
Do you ever say, Man, you know, why am I
doing what I'm doing?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
You know, that's a good question. There have been times,
you know, in the past where I've said, Okay, I
think I've done my part, and I was going to
back out, so to speak, and right away I get
sucked back in. It's like they don't want me to stop,
whoever they are of what I'm what we've been doing

(04:54):
as an organization, and as you say, we've been doing
this for over three decades now, and it's been kind
of a trip that has been so satisfying in the
sense that we've been able to help a lot of
people get through these experiences. And of course we've done

(05:19):
it in various ways by having a totally confidential online
support group where we have over five hundred people now
from around the world that are conversing with one another
and asking questions twenty four to seven. And then we
have a network of referral network of mental health practitioners

(05:40):
and hypnotherapists that we can refer people to. And then
we also have a more recent addition as our triage group,
which we call our ESD, the Experiences Support team that
interfaces with these people when they first come into us
through our website, and they talked to these people and

(06:01):
find out how we can help them or you know,
what is going on with them, and then finding out
from them what they would like to see the outcome,
you know, resolution being.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
And you know, you're one of the many groups. There
aren't a lot, but you're one of the many groups
who are trying to take care of people in these
type of awkward situations. What's it like when somebody comes
to you for the first time and says, I.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Think I got abducted.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, And these people generally have already tried to talk
to the family members, talk to clergy, talk to fellow workers,
and found out that they didn't have someone that was
sympathetic to what was going on. A lot of them,

(06:55):
you know, thought they were crazy. They didn't want to
deal with it, They didn't want to, you know, have
any any discussions with them on the topic, and and
and so they don't know where to turn. And oftentimes
they they start looking through various means, uh, whether it's

(07:16):
going to the library or getting online and looking for
groups and and eventually they they end up finding us,
and that's that's when the whole process starts. Uh. As
you can see, our website is at opusnetwork dot org

(07:37):
and uh we uh we have it laid out in
a way that is.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Welcoming.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Uh And and the fact that it's a neutral place
for people to go to. We don't we don't draw
any conclusions about these people. Uh we We listen to
what they have to say and and we try to
point them in the right direction. And our triage group
does a phenomenal job of working with these people and

(08:08):
finding out how can we possibly help you, what issues
are you having? And these people have got a lot
of experience working with people and being able to rather
quickly point them in the right direction. And oftentimes these
people are just need confirmation that they're not alone, that

(08:32):
other people are having experiences like this. This brings me
back to when I first got started in all of
this back in the early nineties, being an investigator for Moufon,
and almost all the cases were not only sightings of craft,
but people telling me that they had contact with non

(08:55):
human intelligences. And the first case that came to me
like that. I was very skeptical. I was kind of
a nuts and bulls kind of guy. And so but
then the next case very similar, the next case very similar.
And so one day a person finally asked me, did
I know of other people having similar experiences? And I said, yes,

(09:17):
I do. And the next thing is happening is I'm
facilitating a support group in my office in San Jose, California.
So it's it's it's been, it's been quite an interesting journey.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
You know, all the books that I've read on the topic,
whether it's Bud Hopkins or David Jacobs, people that have
had a lot of experience with experiencers.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
The bottom line is I learned so much more working
with the people in the support group and listening to
their stories, which were pretty pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Before we continue on with more UFO talk and ET contact,
be remissed because this is Veterans Day in the US.
It is it is, you know, remembrance stay here in Canada.
You're a veteran of the United States Army. Thank you
so much for your service and your dedication to what

(10:14):
you did. And I know that you know this is
always a trying time for every veteran who has served,
doesn't matter when they served. But you know, do you
want to care to share a story with us about
your time in the military and how or what Veterans
Day slash Remembrance Day means to you.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Well, I have an interesting story that I always have
to look up in a direction where God sits and
say I was a very, very lucky person. I went
through the ROTC program at the University of Vermont and

(10:55):
was commissioned as second lieutenant and immediately went to Fort Sill,
Oklahoma to do my officers training and artillery. And this
was near the end of the Vietnam situation early seventies,
and a lot of the guys in my group went

(11:16):
straight over to Vietnam. Out of that training three months
of training and I got orders to go to Fort
Dix as a training officer in New Jersey, and I
had two year active and four years reserve time, and
as it turned out, I was there for eighteen months.

(11:37):
And I'm saying to myself, oh my goodness, I'm not
going to get orders for Vietnam. I'm going to spend
it all here at Fort Dix, which at the time
was that the Vietnam situation was horrible. I mean they
were fragging officers, They're throwing hand grenades down the bunkers
because the troops didn't want to go out in the
field anymore because it's such a shit show. So at

(12:03):
that point when I had this thought, I got my
orders for Vietnam. And I was married at the time,
and my wife and my dog. I had a camper
VW camper bus and we camped across the country and
she was going to stay with her sister.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Near San Jose.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
While I was over a numb and in this little
town next to San Jose called Los Gatos, they.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Had a wine festival that was going on.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
So my wife and I were there every day, crying
into our wine, if you will, that I was going
over to Vietnam. And about a week later, a week
before I was supposed to ship out, I got a
call from a buddy of mine in battalion headquarters back
at Dixie. He says, this major at the Pentagon needs
to talk to you. So I said, okay, So I

(12:54):
called the guy up and he says, your tour duties
been cut by two months. Therefore, we have to give
you a choice of whether or not you want to
go to Vietnam. And he says, if you don't go,
somebody's gonna have to go in your place. And I said, well,
I hope the next guy is as lucky as I
am because I'm not going, because this was a terrible

(13:16):
situation at the time. So he says, then where do
you want to be stationed. I said, well, I'm out
here in the west coast Fort or It would be
a nice place to go. It's close. I got my orders.
They sent me all the way back to Fort Dix.
They didn't have a training slot open for me. The

(13:38):
only thing that was open was running a battalion mess hall,
which I did, which I knew nothing about. But the
master sergeants and this man's service, you know, all all
the games and all how to work everything. So they
I just stayed out of his way let him run it.
So the story is that I to this day I

(13:59):
thank God that my service. I trained a lot of people,
I worked with a lot of drill sergeants and did
a lot of that kind of thing. But for me personally,
not having to go over there was just miraculous. To
this day, I don't know how that happened, you know,

(14:21):
it just was phenomenal. I was very lucky so and
I thank to this day all the guys that went
over from my class that never came back, you know,
and feel for their families that they had to go
over there and participate in a war that was horrible,

(14:45):
absolutely horrible. And of course the outcome of that was
when all these guys came back that did come back,
they were treated like shit. They were treated like shit,
and so that's very, very sad, and I'm so happy
now that we are recognizing all of our troops. And
I have many friends that are military people that have

(15:09):
gone through that Vietnam situation and come through it finally,
you know, after dealing with PTSD and things of that nature,
which we deal with with these people that are having
experiences with these non human intelligences, a lot of them
have that PTSD situation going on because it was so

(15:32):
mind blowing, so dramatic that this thing was happening to them.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
It is an ugly situation. Can you imagine if say
in Vietnam or even at the early stages of the
Gulf War, when they actually had if they had the
social media technology of today, where people are uploading these
horrific videos of of these wartime situations. I mean, it

(16:03):
makes me just absolutely ill, you know, to watch some
of these that come across by feed, And I couldn't
imagine how the American populace would react, or any populace,
even the Canadian populace, or the British or the Australian
or whoever, would react if a Western country was putting

(16:24):
up or had its soldiers putting up that type of
footage onto social media.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yeah, no, sure, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Times have changed dramatically, and.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Social media can be a positive, but unfortunately it can
also be very negative and destructive. And that's what's happening
in many cases when people are reading these a lot
of false stories, a tremendous amount of false, false things
going on out there in that world, which is tragic.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You don't know what to believe anymore.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Is this real? Is this ai? Hello?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well that's a good shift right there. Once again, thank
you so much for your service at everything that you
did to protect not only the United States, but Canada
and the rest of the world. Thank you very much
for you. I appreciate you, bet ai y. It is
going to be a major benefit or a major flaw

(17:34):
to ufology your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
It can be both, and unfortunately, we've already dealt with
it as an organization where we had an experiencer come
to us telling us about the fact that he had
this conversation with chat GPT that basically told him to

(18:00):
go to a therapist and not to do certain things.
It can be very dangerous, and already there's been lawsuits
about you know, teenagers, young adults that been getting on
these various AI sites and having these conversations that have

(18:23):
caused them to commit suicide. So excuse me, it's it's
it's tragic. So there's a real bad side to this AI.
But the opposite side of it is that it could
be a very useful tool in trying to understand these

(18:47):
entities in a more more fully matter of fact, that
one of the things that we're doing right now, we're
in the second phase, almost finished, the second phase of
the Megafour project that I have. One of our board
members who's a psychologist, is been working with the not

(19:12):
only therapists but also with their clients that have had
experiences and we're finding out some really interesting things about
the interaction getting the personality of the non human intelligences.
And one of the facts that we came up with

(19:35):
was that one of the most critical things when these
people are interfacing with these entities is honesty, a feeling
of honesty that evidently is coming through to the experiencer.
And so that's why we're getting numbers like in the

(19:57):
seventies and eighties, where these people don't want want these
things to stop. So a very small percentage of people
want them to stop, but the majority, especially after you know,
five or six experiences, want this thing to continue. So

(20:20):
we have a lot more information and we plan to.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Publish this.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
And as soon as we get ready to do something
like that, I can come back on here with the
gentleman the name is rus Scalphone, who's actually crunching all
the numbers, all the statistical information. We can come on
and do a show like that and go through the
things that we have found.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Do you think that as of now and moving on
into the future until there is some sort if there
ever will be some sort of control of AI and
what it can and cannot do, especially when it's new worthy,
do you think that videos are now officially useless?

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Mm? Well, I mean the big thing with AI is
is you know, is it real or is it memorys?
As they say, uh that that to me is the
biggest problem that I see other than the people depending
upon these AI programs telling them quote unquote the truth

(21:34):
if you will, AI can be in the medical field
can be tremendous. I mean, coming up with ways to
uh look at you know, look at look at Watson
IBM's medical intelligence platform. That is remarkable, and that's all
AI and and so there's a lot of good things

(21:57):
that can come out of it, but there's also the
bad side, unfortunately, and there are people out there that
are certainly going to use it for the wrong reason.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
I just hope that we can come to subconclusion because
there are people having real experiences, there are people having
real insight to what is going on. And you know,
we watch the disclosure movement kind of falling apart. As
we see it, some people are still holding on No, no,
we're getting closer, We're getting closer, but many of us

(22:31):
believe that it is starting to fall apart. With ninety
seconds to go less before we go to break your
thoughts on where this movement comes from. Does it go
back to the people are we heading back to the
people rather than the science and the military.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm not sure I understand the question. What's the question
towards disclosure?

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Oh, towards disclosure? Oh well, I think yeah, we we've
we've hit it sort of a minor pause button. I think, uh,
uh with with what's going on, I mean, we got
the government still shut down here in the United States.
They're worrying about other things other than are we actually

(23:17):
interfacing with non human intelligences. So I think eventually, eventually
we will come to the point where this this is
going to be fully opened up and it's it's it's
a battle, there's no question about it. I mean, you've
got two camps. One camp wants it open, the other
camp doesn't want it open up, and so AI who knows,

(23:44):
it could be a useful tool in helping with that.
But right now, I think that we just have to
be quote unquote patient, a little more patient. And because
I think that people like Danny Shean are they're bulldogs,
They're they're they're still in the fight, and uh, they're

(24:06):
going to keep pressing and uh, they've they've got a
film coming out. I guess the end of the month
on disclosure and uh so they're they're they're gonna keep
taking a swing at the at the ball coming in
and hopefully they'll get a get a home run on
this thing eventually.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Get you to hang on right there. Les Valles is
here from the Opus Network. Opusnetwork dot Org is his website.
When we return et abductions aliens taking people, we will
be right back. Everybody, all right, we are clear. Uh

(25:06):
just a quick reminder less, if you don't mind, I
should have said this prior to the show. I am
going out on terrestrial radio, so the swearing doesn't really work.
Oh okay, I know I can't believe shit is still banned,
but apparently it is. Oh okay, Shelley Heaton, how are

(25:33):
you nice to have you here?

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Who else has joined us here? Let's see?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Uh, Francis Tromblay, Welcome to to our chat. Bon jou, Francis.
If you're French, I think we're caught up. I think
I've got everybody. Yeah, I got everybody else I do.

(26:13):
It's good times when you're here, buddy, bless you said
it was going to be about eighty degrees there tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well the end of the week it is.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
You're in a cold snap then yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, we got a below freezing last night, so but
we're not going to have that tonight. Yeah, just whacky.
We had a cold front come come down from up
north and blessed us with a little little bit of chill.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
No problem.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I'm in the process of procrastination right now because I
have these really cool lasers that I point up in my.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Front of my house. I have about nine ten.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Seventy eighty foot tall fir trees, and I have these
laser beams that I stick up there for Christmas, so
my trees look like they're glittering all the time.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Cool. It looks pretty badass, it does.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
But I'm procrastinating because I know I should do it
now while the weather is warm, so I can get
the pegs into the ground right. But stupid Dave is
gonna be like, oh no, no, I got time. I
got time. I'll do it tomorrow. I'll do it tomorrow,
you know, and eventually.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Hi, Chris, you'll you'll have a blizzard.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Next thing I know, I'm gonna have like like three
feet of snow in my front yard and I'm going
to be trying to plant these stupid things in there, right,
because at any time it could go from from where
it is down right now, where like forty three degrees
six degrees celsius, and it could go drop to like
minus ten in the ground frozen in like two days.

(28:06):
Right then, I'm gonna be like, you idiot, Dave, Why
didn't you just put him in when you should have?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
But that's me.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Yep, that's what I have a wife for. She does
it decorating blue cruise.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
How you doing teen? How's it going?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah? I what's that? Twenty six fahrenheit? Feels like eighteen?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Here?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Should I bring my piece peace lily? Twenty six fahrenheit? Yeah,
twenty six Faaraknight's finally jacket weather. You don't have to
wear warm pants, but as long as you have good
pair of socks on, you're fine. The coldest I've been

(28:57):
in up here is minus forty.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
That's cold. That's cold. I've been in minus sixty in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Not me. Man, ooh man.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
The snow squeaked, yeah, I have. I have watched it
snow here. I never knew.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
This was possible.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I had watched its snow here in blue sky.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
But the air is so cold it creates snow Wow. Yeah,
that's interesting. It's cool.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I've heard of thunder snow, but I've never heard of
blue sky snow.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I didn't think it was possible either, really did not. Okay,
who just came in here?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Or are you Grant?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
How you doing it up in Quinnel. Nice to have
you here, and Gary Jay, how are you? And a
big thank you to our lone super chatter trucker Andrew.
He's the man kicking things off tonight. We really appreciate
the love. The super chat is a wonderful way to
support what we do on this show on a nightly basis.

(30:08):
You could join our YouTube membership, and of course you
can shop at our spaced Out Radio store. We do
not have ugly swag, people, no ugly swag, so make
sure you go check it on out. We're coming up
with a second half hour right now. Here comes the

(30:44):
second half hour of spaced Out Radio. Good to have
you with us. My name is Dave Scott. We appreciate
you tuning us on in wherever you are on this
beautiful planet we call Earth.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
We want to remind all of you that if you
missed portions of this show or others, you can always
check out our free archives on YouTube or any major
podcast network. Our website spaced Out Radio dot com. We
have a plethora features for you. Rock out to bumblefoot,
read the news wire, check out our swag as well.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
You can follow us on Exit.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Spaced Out Radio, Instagram and spaced Out Radio Show, and
on Patreon. In the Space Travelers Club from Opusnetwork opusnetwork
dot org, we have Les Vales here coming on in
to talk about some pretty interesting stories about alien abduction. Les,
thank you so much for being here tonight.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh, thank you Dave for having me. Appreciate it very
very much.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
For people maybe tuning in for the first time, explain
what an alien abduction is.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Ah, well, this is not something where somebody from Mexico
crossed over the border, okay and took somebody back to Mexico.
This is people telling us that they've had contact with
non human intelligences. These non human intelligences, okay, whatever they

(32:13):
may be, all right, have taken them, okay, from wherever
they happen to be at the time of the abduction.
Whether it's in a bedroom, whether it's in a car,
whether it's camping, whether it's out for a jog. Anything
can happen at any any time, anywhere, and that they

(32:39):
tell us that they're brought on board the craft of
some sort. They're put on a table, they're poked and prodded,
and various fluids are taken from the male being sperm,
female eggs, things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Blood, and then.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Sometimes they're implanted with a device which the person comes
back with. A lot of times they don't even know
that this has been done until something happens.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Where they might notice that.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
They have an irritation of some sort that might this
implant may be bothering them, so they go to a
doctor and then they do an X ray and they
find out, well, there's something there, but how did it
get there and what is it? And of course we've
had people like the late doctor Roger Lear who actually

(33:44):
looked at seventeen people and they looked at these objects
that they removed from these people and they're definitely not
from this plane, this earth, And I can tell you
some interesting details about that, but we can get into
that a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
So that's basically what happens.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
And then these people are brought back to wherever they
were taken from, and a lot of instances they may
have their clothes on inside out, or not their clothes,
somebody else's clothes. There's all kinds of things. They come

(34:28):
back with marks on their bodies, things of that nature.
A lot of these people have conscious recollection of the
incident happening, and there's always parts that are very vague,
and so a lot of times these people are really

(34:49):
anxious to try to find out.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
A little bit more about what occurred to them.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
So alien abductions, is it extraterrestrial in nature? Is it
interdimensional in nature? Which has been brought up at the
congressional hearings. Brush talked about that that these things are
likely interdimensional entities. Is it time travelers you talk about

(35:19):
the reynaldschim Forrest case where they talked about the fact
that these entities were forty thousand years in the future.
Or is it our military, which I believe it could
be all the above. It's fascinating, It's absolutely fascinating. There's

(35:40):
something going on, and this is millions of people have
had this happen to them. The Roper Organization back in
early nineties did a survey that Bud Hopkins and David
Jacobs and put together for Bigelow Bigelow funded it, and

(36:01):
basically the number was like six million people in the
United States have had an experience like that. Well, my
latest theory is the fact that I believe we've all
had an experience, whether we consciously remember it or not.
I'll give you an example of that. One day in

(36:23):
the support group back in San Jose, person said to me, I've.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Seen you before. I said, oh, really, where you know
UFO conference?

Speaker 4 (36:32):
No no, no, I saw you on board the craft and
I said really, Oh that's interesting, and I kind of
blew it off. And it was like a year. A
year and a half later, a totally different person in
the group said to me after the meeting, I've seen
you before, and I said, the same thing where the
UFO conference. No no, no, you were sitting on this bench

(36:54):
naked on board the craft and you were freaking out
and they told me to go over to you to
calm you down. Well, after this person said that, I decided, Okay,
I have to go get regressed because I have no
conscious recollection of this at all. And I had three
separate aggressions, and I've had multiple past lives, but I

(37:21):
didn't come up with anything related to being abducted and
being on board a craft. However, in a subsequent conversation
I had with a totally different person, they said, well,
maybe somehow they saw you in a past life. There's
some kind of connection, because what happens frequently in these

(37:44):
abductions is that time and space was warped, is changed.
They're able to manipulate it in a way that they
can bring you back before they took you type of
a thing. And and and missing time is another factor

(38:06):
that people talk about. One of the cases that's in
the in my book, The Unknown Other is a couple.
They were amateur pilots and they were picnicking in a
state park north of Santa Cruz and it was getting
to be dusk, and they were coming out as hilly

(38:27):
and they noticed this light over the ocean, and it
started to get bigger and bigger and bigger until it
was over their heads. And it was a triangular craft
about the size of a small lyri jet, and it
had lights in the corners, you know, your typical black
triangle type of thing. And it didn't make any any

(38:48):
noise at all. And they watched this as it passed
over their head and went behind them into this canyon
and it sat there, you know, kind of doing the
but fly thing, and they noticed another light over the ocean,
and same thing happened. They got bigger and bigger until

(39:09):
it was over their head. And the first craft that
came in they were looking at it. The second one
they felt it was looking at them, and they became
frightened and they backed up underneath this big old pine tree.
And this craft went back into that same canyon, sat
next to the other craft, and they were just sitting
there doing this little moving like, you know, up and

(39:34):
down motion. Long story short, They then felt very strange
and they felt like they were floating, and they started
to go down out of the park.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
And this trail I went up there with.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Them is steep and dark because it's highly wooded, a
lot of stones and things like that. It's not an
easy path to go down during the day, but at night,
I mean it's even worse. But they seemed like they
floated down out of there. They got to their car,

(40:18):
and that's the last thing they remember until three hours later.
They're in a restaurant about ten minutes away from there.
It wouldn't take three hours to get there. It's only
ten minutes from where they were, and it had no
recollection of how they got there. Well after this incident,

(40:43):
they both came down with a rash. Now that area
is it's got a lot of poison oak poison ivy
up in there, so they figured it might be something
like that, so they went to the doctor to get
something and the doctor said, no, this is not poison
oak or poison ivy. I'm not sure what it is.
And I think they went to his doctor first and

(41:06):
then she decided, well, I'm going to I'm gonna go
check this out with my doctor. And he says, well,
it might be some reaction to something, but I don't
know what it is.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
They took a picture of this.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Rash and they brought it to one of the support
group meetings and they showed it around to all the
people in the group, and almost without exception, they all
had a similar rash. So one of the people in
the in the in the support group that day said,

(41:39):
I think I know what it's from. And so we said, okay,
what do you think is from? Well, it's probably a
reaction to the fluid that they dip you in when
they bring you on board the craft to sanitize you
so that that blew everybody's mind. The story gets even

(41:59):
more because this is like thirty years ago that this
whole thing happened. I got a call about four months
ago from that same couple. She now has conscious recollection
of what happened, and she said she was dipped in

(42:19):
a fluid on board the craft.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
No kidding.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Yeah, So I tell you, these are the kind of
stories that just absolutely blow your mind. And and there's
there's just tons of them out there, tons of them
out there. I really believe that we've all had some

(42:43):
kind of of of a interface with these entities at
one time or another, whether we consciously remember it or not.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Uh, it's we hear so many people talk about these
different entities. Usually it's the grays, sometimes it's the mantids.
Other times it's you know, reptilians or humanoids or insectoids
or whatever it may be. I mean some some of
it sounds so Star Trek and so science fiction. Yet

(43:15):
these people who've had these ultimate experiences are absolutely genuinely
believing they're telling the truth. And I'm saying that as
an experience or myself. I've never seen any of the
weird ones like a mantid or anything like that. All
my connections have been with grays. Okay, but sure, But
the idea that you know, so many people are having

(43:38):
these these weird occurrences happen to them. Yeah, if you
say have a an encounter with, say the tall Grays,
does that mean the mantids or the reptilians or the
humanoids are gonna come spend time with you or are
you stuck with that one group?

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Oh, it's usually multiples at the same time. I mean
you have the small grays that usually do the abduction, okay,
they bring you on board the craft, and then the
tall gray may may start the process, be in charge
of somewhat of the process. And then you have the
the de manted type Pramantis type that seems to be overall.

(44:26):
And then a lot of times you might have a
Nordic sitting in the background, or or a military person
full dress uniform.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
So we our.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Government definitely has relations with the certainly one one group
of entities. This Israeli general that wrote that book, Himashed,
you know, talked about the fact that, yeah, we've had
dealings with in agreements with these aliens, and they don't
want to come out yet because we're not ready to

(44:58):
hear that. I guess. We have bases on the Moon,
we have bases on Mars.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
We're doing everything. But you know, we.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Poor little earthlings here don't get the full story and unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
What is the real story, because there are many from
the inside who don't believe any of this is going on.
People who've worked at black owp projects, people who have
who have worked at secret bases. They all feel that
this is one big game. I mean, how do we
know this is truly going on?

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Well, I think, you know, the combination of these people
that are having experiences, which you know, these people do
not have a psychopathology. They do exhibit temporal lobe activity.
That's that's different than the control group who have not
had experiences, which is an interesting factor.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Gary Nolan from Stanford talks about the fact that these
people that have telepathic capabilities and uh psychic abilities have
a lot more connections between the caudate and poutainment in
their brains, which is which is fascinating in and of itself.
It's almost like an evolutionary process that's going on. But

(46:22):
I don't think it's evolutionary. I think it's been manipulated
by these non human intelligences, probably eons ago, and that's
why they follow, They follow families. It's generational. It's absolutely generational.
And we we are in the process of of seeing
humankind uh evolve to the next level where we all

(46:46):
are going to have this psychic capability uh and being
able to telepathically communicate with one another.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's coming.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
It's it's gonna be here, and uh, it's it's probably
gonna be a little bit well, you know, a little
bit longer before that happens, but it's gonna happen, I believe,
because these people are communicating with one another already, and
they're starting to have families that have that whole, that

(47:21):
whole ability, that that incredible ability. And so can you know,
how do you compete against something like that? You're going
to have a hell of a hard time. And so
we that don't have that cap Biller are going to disappear.
We're just going to go go away.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
The fact that we have real people going through these
real encounters. What's what's one recently that you've had that
really caught your attention that just maybe maybe you scratch
your head.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Well, yeah, I mentioned it earlier to you that I've
we You know, we get people contacting us through.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Our website and they're looking for support. So I want
to I want.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
To read a little bit about this one person that
sent us a request.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
We have six minutes for you.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Six minutes. Okay, here's this gentleman's story. When I was nine,
I woke up in the middle of the night and
there was a gray in my room. It scared me
so much that I pulled my covers over my head.
By the time I mustard up the courage to come
out from under the covers, it was gone. The gray
didn't communicate with me or touch me. But I feel

(48:38):
like something was done to me. I've seen UAP multiple times.
I've had precognitive dreams, intuition, lucid dreams, and spontaneous astral
projection events. Oddly, I'm susceptible to bacterial infection, but I
don't get viruses. I haven't had a virus since I
was young. I cannot shake the feeling that something was

(49:00):
done to me. I feel like these entities have been
visiting me since I was a child. When I was
a child, even before the previously mentioned encounter, I had
a fear of the classic alien gray. This fear just
came out of nowhere. It wasn't caused by a scary
movie or TV show. Anytime I saw a picture or

(49:21):
a depiction of a gray as a child, I would
recoil in fear and look away. When I was a child,
I also had an encounter with a strange, large owl
like entity with glowing red eyes. Me and my little
brother were waiting for the school bus when we heard
a loud, terrifying shriek. When we looked in the direction

(49:43):
of the noise, we saw what looked like a giant
owl with glowing red eyes, perched in a tree to
our right. I jumped back and got behind my book bag.
My little brother also reacted in fear and got behind me.
When I looked out from behind my back, it was gone.
We didn't hear it take off or rustle the branches

(50:05):
when it left. Me and my brother never spoke of
it after that, which is one of the classic things.
When two people have an experience, they generally don't talk
about it. Let's see what I leave off here. Me
and my brother never spoke about it after that. I
had an extremely vivid, lucid dream. As a teenager, I

(50:29):
remember having a normal dream and then being pulled or
plucked out of the dream by an outside force into
a separate conscious space where I was fully awake and alert.
There was a blue humanoid entity there. It seemed to
be made of blue energy. It had painted on facial features.

(50:51):
Even though it seemed like its eyes, nose, and mouth
were painted on with white paint, it still, for some reason,
looked natural and not painted on. It spoke to me
telepathically and said, fear not, for I am with you always.
I woke up right after it spoke to me. I
believe the phenomena is deeply rooted in consciousness, which you

(51:14):
mentioned earlier about consciousness, that we are aware because of
our connection to consciousness, and that consciousness is a realm
where intelligent entities reside. I seem to have some sort
of connection to it, but I can't control or direct
the abilities or gifts that may arise from the connection.

(51:38):
So I mean, and these are the kind of things
that we get, I mean, almost on a daily basis,
from people that are just incredible stories. And you know
he mentioned the owl. I mean, that's been talked about
by many experiences that these things are screen screen memories

(51:58):
that they're able to put it out there and so
that it's less scary, I guess in a way. But
the red eyes, I think that would bother me.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, no kidding, no kidding, you know, But to me,
after reading that story, it really sounds like this person
was almost haunted by these beings.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
This is a person that probably would like it to stop.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Obviously, he wants these to stop.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
But then again, they often when they have two choices
when they contact us. One is that to be put
into the online support group and the other one is
to have a est member or triage group contact them.
And nine times out of ten they want both. They
want to be able to talk to other people and

(52:49):
know that they're not the only ones having these experiences.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Oh for sure. For sure.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
How do you tell whether or not somebody is just
lucid dreaming, having nightmares or actually having eight et connections.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah, I think you have to look at the whole
all the information that these these people are telling you.
I mean, he's his feelings about being frightened by the
look of a gray alien. Remember when Whitley Strieber's book
Communion came out that freaked out so many people.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Book.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah, and and so you have to listen to the story.
And when you listen to these people talk to you,
you know that they're coming from a place where they've
they've had a mind bending experience and they're trying to

(53:50):
deal with it and trying to understand it. And oftentimes
it's it's very difficult, uh that to to to res
all some of these things. And so you know that
they're not okay, I can't use that word. They're not
blowing smoke up your tailpipe, right and uh, you know,

(54:16):
and and a lot of them, you know, have marks
on their body that they know that they weren't there before.
And so you put the whole story together. You've got
to piece the whole story together and make a decision.
And we've we've had people come to us where we've
recommended that they do need help that we can't give them,

(54:37):
that they need to go to a psychiatrist or a psychologist, uh,
just based on on the conversations that we have with them.
And but we don't we don't, you know, we don't
turn anybody down.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Let me get a hold on right there, unless Belas
from the Opus Network is here on spaced out radio.
We're done one hour. We'll get up for another right after.

Speaker 7 (54:58):
This, his faced out radio.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
With hopes Dave Scott, all right, last week are clear.
We got about five and a half minutes, so we're
gonna turn things over to the Dirty One here to
show us his nice cartoons.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Oh yeah, cool, Oh I like that.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
I like by Dave by Dave Hello by Dirty Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
We have Alan with his winter attire on today taking
a hockey this year. So we're not sure how Alan's
going to handle a couple stiff body checks into the
boards or anything, but he'll get there and hopefully he
can stand himself.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Well, that looks great. That looks great.

Speaker 9 (55:54):
It's actually going to be accompanied by a plushy.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Oh very good. I'm good. I'm gonna I'm going to
step out for a second, get another water, be right back.

Speaker 9 (56:04):
He's getting a double vodka everybody. I hope everyone's having
a wonderful leaving. This is an awesome guy.

Speaker 8 (56:11):
I had to honor and privilege to meet him at
the space at radio party. Is that twenty eight twenty three?
If I remember correctly, I still have his I still
have his business card.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
It's a good guy.

Speaker 8 (56:26):
It's unfortunately for him to get stuck in the elevator
with me and freeze a little bit. And I think
I gave him an art card or two and we
had a good time anyways, us a nice guy.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
It's almost done.

Speaker 8 (56:40):
This guy here, so hell hello, uh, Tim and beards
two separate entities, and probably wrote her Man and Joe
Monk and T Bone and probably everybody else.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I missed.

Speaker 9 (56:57):
All right time for time for the signing of the drawing,
which is very important.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
It's very into the.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (57:08):
Also, I would like to send a special special shout
out to all the veterans in America and Canada.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
And uh specifically P P C.

Speaker 9 (57:23):
L I and specifically on top of that.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Corporal Wayne Joy.

Speaker 8 (57:29):
I appreciate everything that you do, sir, and you're a
wonderful man, and I hope you have.

Speaker 9 (57:36):
A wonderful rest of your evenings.

Speaker 7 (57:37):
I know you're listening.

Speaker 9 (57:47):
Go sign this bad boy. Then I have to show
a secret little.

Speaker 8 (57:51):
Drawing out of the out of the book here, because
I've been sharing little wits and snippets of that.

Speaker 9 (57:58):
This pen is this pen is totally dying. I mean,
there's not much I could do about it, but just
take a trip to the art store filthy dot com.

Speaker 7 (58:13):
Yes, Ellen.

Speaker 9 (58:20):
Wink a dish.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Hello less Yeah, Hi, I have I'll show I can
show you what the this is.

Speaker 8 (58:33):
This is the this drawing that's gonna go with the
soon to be created plushy for the winter one. But
I still have Carl the Alien from his summertime run
that we did and he's got a little speed one.

Speaker 9 (58:49):
That's awesome.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
My accomplice turns all my cartoons into the plushies and whatnot.
Oh that's have a little we get a little racket
going on now. But I was gonna show everybody here
this is. This is how Canadians get a massage. And
I was able to use my friend Dave Scott. So
Dave takes a break and gets pampered. So can you

(59:13):
whack my spine a few times to the.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Hockey stick please?

Speaker 8 (59:15):
And oh that's how they do it in Canada.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Eh oh great right?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Alan.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Also that's where I live, you know, Alan, Alan Texas.

Speaker 8 (59:28):
Alan Texas. I've been to Houston once. It was way
too hot.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I'm from I'm from Edmonton.

Speaker 9 (59:35):
So it's just yeah, yeah, here's a here's a here's
a photo.

Speaker 8 (59:38):
Of Dave at the Golden Nugget a couple of years ago,
playing against Carl the Alien, losing miserably, and the joke
Ghosts is saying, Hey, Dave, what animal always wins at poker?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Buffalo? Dave's got always got left.

Speaker 8 (59:53):
As his underwear and socks. He's doing pretty good against
the aliens.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
So no, no, no, that's great, good stuff, good stuff.
I like it, and I like it.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
I also got this beauty with the legendary lawn stricter
being chased by Matha and trying to steal his beard.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Give me the beard Lons encounter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
He's even got his forty in shirt on.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Fourteen. Oh my goodness, Yeah, you gotta you gotta look closely.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Please, There we go that this will be everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
For the for the catalogs here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
It eventually goes into frame and then.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
Fun gets made for it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
That's great work, all stuff and good work.

Speaker 8 (01:00:45):
If you're not doing much next year, you should come
to this Spaceto radio thing again in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:00:51):
You'll have to ask Dave what the time frame is
on it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
I got it, I got it May twenty one, May
twenty one through the twenty fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I got it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
I wrote it down already, I wrote it down nice.

Speaker 8 (01:01:03):
I'll be there, like ninety nine percent chance will be there,
and I'll give you another art cart or two.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Oh cool, gentlemen, We're coming back in ten seconds. And
thank you tonight to Sally, t Bone and Trucker Andrew
for the super chats, and thank you Dirty Filth. You're amazing.
And here we go. Our number two of spaced Out

(01:01:35):
Radio is down, kicked off. Thank you for joining us.
My name is Dave Scott. We greatly appreciate earning your
listening years wherever you are on this beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Planet we call Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Hello to everyone listening in on our terrestrial affiliates around
North America digitally on every major podcast network. Our website
spaced out Radio dot com. We have a plethora of
feature for you. Rockout to bumblefoot, read the news wire,
check out our swag as well. You can follow us
on exit, spaced Out Radio, Instagram, at spaced Out Radio Show,

(01:02:11):
and on Patreon. In the Space Travelers Club, the desert
clam is at the password for tonight in the sr
Space Travelers Club. Refocilate. Refocillate is your password, Use it wisely.
Space travelers as the clam sets the password each and
every night. Right here on spaced out Radio from opusnetwork

(01:02:34):
dot Org. Les Valees is here hanging out with us
talking about et contacted people who have reported having alien
abductions and alien encounters, not with people here on Earth,
but with those from somewhere else less. It's always an
interesting conversation. What kind of patterns do you see? Would

(01:02:54):
people file the report with the opusnetwork at opusnetwork dot org.
Is there a pattern that you follow?

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Well, there's a basic pattern with all of these of course,
is the fact that these people are coming to us
because they've had an experience where they feel is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Certainly paranormal in nature.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Out of the norm, and they are trying to better
understand it. So that's base the basis of why they
show up. Because they've had an experience, they don't understand it.
They're trying to get answers to why me, you know,
why why is it happening to me? What is it?

(01:03:42):
So there's there's the very basic things that people come
to us are very standard in a way, but each
individual situation there's nuances to it. And so you know,
as I said earlier, these these people are taken wherever

(01:04:03):
they may be taken somewhere most a lot of times,
to to inside of a vehicle, if you will, some
type of housing and put on a table, examined, folk prodded.

(01:04:26):
That's all very very standard type stuff. And so then
the big question is, you know, how do I get
out of this if that's what they're looking for, or
do how do I get to a point where I
can accept this and be comfortable with it so I

(01:04:46):
could go on with my life, because it's it's it's
such a shock to the system, an ontological shock that
that that happens to them when when this occurs, you
know a lot of people who have no interest whatsoever
in the UFO field, all of a sudden have an

(01:05:08):
experience like this, and it's like it's mind blowing, absolutely
mind blowing, and and they're they're looking for some kind
of confirmation that one they're not crazy, because most of
them think they are going crazy. They're they're you know,

(01:05:29):
I must be going crazy if this is happening. And
then if they go to a therapist that's not familiar
with the topic, and if it's a psychiatrist or something,
they want to recommend pills Okay, take some drugs to
you know, relax you or whatever. And but that's not

(01:05:51):
the ultimate solution.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
The ultimate solution.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Is to understand that they're not alone. They have someone
that they can talk to, h that has had similar
experiences and so and and we've done you know a
couple of studies now where we've found that these people
do not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Have a psychopathology. They're they're not crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
And so when you when you rule that out, then
what what what's next? The next part is the fact
that something happened, something very significant happened. And uh and
that's what we where we jump off from there and
then go to see, you know, do you need to

(01:06:35):
talk to a therapist? Uh, do you need hypno therapy?
If that's you know, you feel comfortable with doing that,
because we always recommend to these.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
People that, hey, you may not want to know what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
You know, once that toothpaste is out of the tube,
it's hard to put it back in. Uh, So we
always counsel that you need to be very very sure
that you want to go through with that process. And
so we have certified, we vet these people you know,

(01:07:12):
very very very thoroughly to make sure they have the
proper credentials, they have the proper experience, and so whether
it's a mental health practitioner or a hypnotherapist. And then
what we found to be the most helpful though, is
the support group being able to talk to other people

(01:07:33):
that have had similar experiences. This seems to be one
of the most effective ways to get people through these experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
When we have people who are having these encounters. Okay,
there are people, as you mentioned, who have family lineage
of this happening. But then there are people out of
the blue who all of a sudden start having a
le encounters. Maybe they saw or had a close encounter

(01:08:04):
with a UFO, maybe they had a close encounter with
an alien in the forest like I did. Okay, how
do these ets seem to pick and choose outside of
the lineage? How do they pick and choose who they're
taking and why have we figured that out?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
The majority, I mean, we've had two groups. Basically, the
Native American Indians have long told stories about this, Okay,
they seem to focus on that group a lot. Military people.
Military people is another group that seems to have a

(01:08:48):
large focus on and then of course the family lineage.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Other than that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
What we found too, is that when a person comes
to us and we asked them, part of the triage
working with these people is now, have your parents or
your grandparents had any experiences like this? And a lot

(01:09:21):
of times they don't know. They don't know, And then
we asked them, well, you know, you feel comfortable in
asking them have they had any kind of Nine times
out of ten when they come back they find out
that yes, either their parents or their grandparents had some
kind of a of a incident. But beyond that, it

(01:09:44):
may it may be just following some kind of experiment.
That which I believe is what's been going on, is
that they've created us, okay, over the eons, and they
can to you to follow their experiments just like okay,

(01:10:06):
take the example of going out and getting a dolphin. Okay,
you know, biologists go out there, you know, and they'll
pull a dolphin out of the pod, if you will,
by happenstamps, all right, They tag it, they take blood,
they measure it, they do all kinds of things, and
then they throw it back in the water. And a

(01:10:31):
year later or so, they're out there, they catch the
same one. They do the same thing again, and then
throw them back in the water. So sometimes it just
happens to be the luck of the draw, if you
will that it may happen like that. But a lot
of times it's very family oriented. Now I can't ask

(01:10:55):
my parents because they're both gone, but and I never
really talked to them much about except for that when
I was eleven years old and I was living in
Connecticut and I saw this object close to the house,
scared the hell out of me, ran in a house.

(01:11:17):
By the time I got my father to come out,
it was gone. He said, oh, it's just a beacon
of light reflecting off a cloud. Because it was late October,
it was already dark, and this thing was silent, no noise,
no nothing. And then he blew it off. And so
I went to the library thereafter and started reading books
on UFOs and kind of that's got me started in

(01:11:41):
this whole field actually, which never really left me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
We're going to get to some audience questions here in
a few minutes, but I'm curious regarding the stories that
you have collected. I know you have a couple to
share with us. Yeah is the Yeah, let me just
ask you, this is age. Does age have anything to
do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Well a lot of times.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
What we found is that early childhood seems to be
a marker that's pretty significant, and then also childhood trauma
which may have been caused by the experience. But also
it opens up people to to sort of a dissociative

(01:12:32):
coping mechanism, not in a psychopathological way, but just just
something that they're able to get through the experience. How
much does that play in, you know, future contact is
still a question, but yes, nine times out of ten

(01:12:56):
you just heard that last story I read the guy
was nine years old, okay, And there seems to be
if you're going to be contact, it's usually when you're
pretty young, and then they keep following you. And so
this next one here is an interesting case that we

(01:13:19):
just got from a lady and she says in her
that this thing happened to her from early on uptil
ten years old, and then again from twenty one to thirty.
She's had a lot of experiences. For eleven weeks, I

(01:13:40):
have had constant, ongoing communication and interaction with extraterrestrial beings
who use black triangular craft. It's been a roller coaster,
first exciting and exhilarating, then terrifying and overwhelming. My experience
has fluctuated. They have abducted me, run test on me,

(01:14:00):
both physically and mentally, and observe me day and night.
They are also interested in my child. She told me
she feels them touch her when she plays video games,
and she sees them in the sky at school and
at reset. I have my conversations with my daughter about
this on videos so people can't say I'm making her

(01:14:23):
say these things. They have been teaching me certain psychological
techniques and gifts. It all seemed intriguing in like a
once in a lifetime opportunity, But now I feel as
if this presence may be parasitic. The past few nights,
it feels as if they are making their way under
my skin, from my forehead to my eyes, like bugs

(01:14:46):
under the skin. The way they make me feel makes
me wonder if they will never go away if I
stay complacent and allow them to be here. I want
them to leave us alone so that my daughter and
I can resume our normal lives. This is a typical thing,
especially when a child is involved with it. You know,

(01:15:08):
the mother instincts comes out and the last thing she
wants to have happened is her child being affected by this.
We live right next to a cemetery. I've been pulled
into the cemetery on a couple of occasions, and they
presented themselves to me there. I have seen them in
seven different forms, most clearly at the cemetery, most often

(01:15:29):
as light beings or silhouettes. In my room, they will
not or cannot materialize completely in my room. For eleven weeks,
they have formed a relationship, but I am tired. I
need a break from them to live a normal life.
I have told them telepathy to leave. I've asked nicely,
I've gotten angry. I've I'm burnt out and at a

(01:15:53):
loss for what to do. They say, I'm going to
going on a journey and have been teaching me how
to stand control and excess portals. I fear that if
I continue down this path, I will somehow do something irreparable.
I asked them where my journey will take me? They
said not where when basically she wants the communication to stop.

(01:16:21):
She wants to, but she has no one to call.
There's no professionals who can help me with this. Medical
professionals will say I'm schizophrenic. Mouf On doesn't believe me.
The FBI hung up on me. No one in my
life believes me, no one will help me. So for
my so, for my sake, hell, for my child's sake,

(01:16:44):
Let's pretend you believe me. We are suffering because these
beings are putting too much on our shoulders. I need
a break. I'm sure my kid needs a break. How
do I get them to leave? It's a whole fleet
of them above me at all times. I have video
and other evidence I have been documenting for two months.
I have no reason to attempt a hoax. I moved

(01:17:07):
here and she mentions where she is. But I'm not
going to say in order to start a new chapter
of life. This isn't what I had in mind. My
roommates are experiencing things. My daughter is an experiencer which
come to find out, she's known them longer, been in
contact with them longer than I have. My dad is
having strange nightmares. I have physical reminders that these things

(01:17:30):
are not made up in my mind. My daughter and
I do not share a hallucination. So what's my next step?
And that's when our est people get involved with that
and start talking to them and trying to understand how

(01:17:51):
best to help them and getting this phenomena to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
That really is the big purpose of it all. Do
you get them to stop?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
You know? And I don't know if we can.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
What about some people talk about, you know, using or
invoking the name of Jesus Christ. That seems just work
for some people.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
Yeah, And Ruffle wrote a book a number of years ago,
how to Defend Yourself against Alien Abduction, and she compiled
about nine different ways of people that claim to have
been able to stop this contact utilized. But the big

(01:18:34):
one that comes up time and time again, as you say,
is utilizing the name of Jesus Christ. And to me,
that's that's a very interesting because of course there are
people in government that feel that all these things are demons,
and so if if that's the case, then they probably

(01:18:56):
be not happy with you throwing the name Jesus Christ down.
But it's it's it's fascinating. I mean, that's that's another
another thing that needs to be looked at as to
why why does that help?

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
We don't have all the answers.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Oh, I fully agree with you there, there is very
tough to find answers to it. We got five minutes
ago before we have to go to break here at
the bottom of the hour, our good friend Les Vallees
from Opus Network is here tonight, this lady who had
everybody hang up on her. When you hear that, do

(01:19:41):
you think that she My initial reaction is maybe there
is a little bit of a mental health issue there,
rather than rather than taking it seriously, how do you
how do you decide whether or not that's a true
case or you know, because Moufon does have competent people,
you know, the FBI or doctors or psychologists, I could

(01:20:05):
see them hanging up on her, right, but in this case,
just your thoughts on that, how do you take this
as a competent story.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
Well, what we do is, like I say, these people
that are in our experience or support team have a
lot of experience working with people like this, and it
becomes obvious. I mean, just based on the way she
presented this. I mean I totally believe that she here,

(01:20:36):
her and her daughter are having some kind of experience.
There's no question about it. In my mind. I think
that once you start talking to these people and she
even mentions it, and a lot of them, you know,
they don't really want to talk to people about it
because they don't want to be considered to be crazy,

(01:20:57):
all right, And and you look at this, this type
of a case, and you start talking to them and
you understand.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
That they're.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
You got to hear what their voices saying, how how
it's coming across. And when you have people that have
worked with people like this, you get a sense of
whether or not they need something beyond that. And we've
I mentioned this earlier, that we have recommended people that
they should probably see a psychiatrist or or a psychologist

(01:21:28):
to get further help. But this case, just from my
gut and reading this, I believe that it's legitimate, it's
legitimate that there she she wants us to stop, definitely
wants us to stop, and she doesn't know where to turn,

(01:21:49):
and so she finally found us. And so we'll try
to help her as best we can. And if we
do find out that after talking to her, that we
feel that she should get some further help, we'll recommend it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Yeah, that would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
You know, has her daughter ever come out and talked
about it publicly?

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
No, I don't know yet. I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
I mean I just literally got this a couple of
days ago. Oh so this is fresh off the press
as it were.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yeah, man, how many cases do you see in a month?

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Well, we get one, probably at least two or three
a week, two or three a week.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
And out of those, how many do you think are legit?

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
I would say that most of them are legit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Most of them are legit.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
We have had only a few in the three decades
that we've worked where we felt that, you know, maybe
just a handful maximum, two handfuls, that's it. Maybe that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
A lot of people, a lot of people, though less
would would look at that and say, well, maybe you're
not being tough enough on these cases.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Well it's it's it's possible.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
I don't know how what that means, tough enough means,
but uh no, I mean the bottom line is when
people come to us, we we listen to what they
have to say. We we we uh we are here
to to help as best we can with the tools
that we have. And uh, as I said, if if

(01:23:36):
we feel that, uh, these people have an alteror motive
of some sort, that they're not being honest with us,
then uh we'll we'll we'll cut them off. We we
have we have dumped two or three people again, not
that many uh that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
We felt were just uh, you know, not being truthful.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Yeah, because there's always somebody looking for that if fifteen
minutes of fame, thinking that if they tell you their story.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Yeah, but they won't get it from us. They're not
gonna get famous with us. We're only here to help.
We're not gonna you know, plaster their story somewhere. Although
my book does have like twenty five stories. But these
are people that are still in our support group.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Right right, less, I'm gonna you know, hold on right there,
because we are going to go to break here at
the bottom of the hour, and we're going to take
some audience questions. So if you're in our YouTube chat
or on x put your questions in capital letters. I
will get to them. Try and get to them all.
Les Valise from opusnetwork dot org. If you've had an

(01:24:44):
alien encounter, this is the group you want to talk to.
Coming up next on spaced Out Radio, stay tuned the
second half of the show coming up right after this.

Speaker 7 (01:25:05):
You're listening to Space Down video with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
All right, lest we are clear, All right, go a
bunch of audience questions coming up after this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Okay, cool, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Yeah, you know, it's it's I've had that question asked before.
You know, how do you tell if this guy is
a wacko, you know, and it's trying to pull pull
the wool over your eyes or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
And not many people come to us that way. We've
had a few, but very few.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
I would agree with you on that. Like I think
of the hundreds of guests that I've had on this show,
and there's only been about two or three that have
come on that I just really did not believe or
you could tell that they were just lack of a
better term, full of shit, you know what I'm saying.

(01:26:12):
I could say that because we're off the air right now.
Oh okay, good, you know our YouTube audience can hear us.
But I'm saying on the radio side of everything, you know,
I think they were just looking for fifteen minutes of fame,
that's it. And I think that they, you know that
for the majority of people out there who come to

(01:26:35):
the who look for a place like yours or even
listen to a show like mine, I think that they
are realistically looking for an outlet to know that they're
not crazy. And I think they are telling the truth,
and I think that number is a lot lower on
the on the people making it up than what we perceive.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
We definitely get people that, you know, feel they're going crazy,
and they've already gone to a psychologist or a psychiatrist
and the mental health practice that tells them that they
don't have a psychopathology.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
They're not they're not crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
So then what where the hell do you go? Then?

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
You know, I had I had a guy a number
of years ago. I know, I'm pretty sure he still listens,
but he's never in our chat room.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
And he was a.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
A prison guard in a maximum security prison, and all
of a sudden, the grays started taking out of nowhere.
The Grays started taking him like between three and five
times a week, to the point where he couldn't even sleep,

(01:27:54):
and he was very, very suicidal off of that. Very
soon sidle and he just happened to find our show
and noticed that there was other people out there that
were in the same boat, and you know, it calmed
him down, It got rid of those thoughts. I talked
to him a few times on the phone, you know,

(01:28:16):
just to kind of say, hey, man, like, you're not
alone here, You're not alone, right, very religious, spiritual man.
That Jesus Christ invocation did not work for him. Yeah,
so once Terry Hall, how you doing, buddy, give us
a mustache update if you don't mind, tell us about

(01:28:36):
that gorgeous lip blade.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
What happened actually happened to him?

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Then after that, he said, after a couple of months,
once he started breathing it in and out and just
trying to, you know, relax on it, he was able
to start controlling it and they started taking him less
and less. So that's good. Yeah, it's very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Right. Let me see something here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
I'd really appreciate to try and get into a backup
to where we are with one hundred thumbs up minimum,
if you guys don't mind, I believe we are at
where we're at ninety seven or eighty seven right now.
So if you haven't given us a thumbs up, it
helps with the algorithms, guys, it really helps with the algorithms.
So please take the time give us a thumbs up,

(01:29:57):
and after the show make a comment down below. If
you don't mind, we'd greatly appreciate tell us how you
liked it or whatever. Maybe you didn't like it, that's okay,
too big, Big Thank you tonight to truck Or Andrew
t Bone and Sally Alca for our super chats. Thank
you to our new subscribers who've tuned on in and
don't forget you could join our YouTube membership along with

(01:30:21):
shopping at our store.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Here we go, Hi, Sally, We're.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Into the second half of spaced Out Radio tonight. My
name is Dave Scott. Thank you very much for tuning
us on in wherever you are on this beautiful planet
we call Earth. Hello to everyone listening in, and reminder
to you that if you just tuning us in, you
can check out our archives for free on YouTube or

(01:31:04):
any major podcast network. Our website spaced out Radio dot com.
We have a plethora of features for you. Rockout to bumblefoot,
read the news wired, check out our swag as well.
You can follow us on Exit spased Out Radio, Instagram,
at spaced Out Radio Show, and on Patreon in the
Space Travelers Club. Here we go, Les valleesopusnetwork dot Org

(01:31:30):
is our website or his website rather where you can
literally file your story. You can do it doesn't cost
you anything. They'll get you the help you need if
you feel you've had an alien abduction encounter et contact les.
Thank you very much for tuning us in.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Well, thank you Dave for being here with me, and uh,
thank you for being on your show.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
All right, let's start with Pauli here, she's over in Israel.
She is asking, is the human empathy taught the hybrid
babies as a path for future connection between the species?

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
M M, the human empathy thought two hybrid babies has
pathed to future connection between the species. That's an interesting question. Well,
of course, the hybrid situation and the mothers claiming that

(01:32:29):
their fetuses have disappeared, that's certainly a connection. One of
our board members, Geraldine Rosco, she she she's the mother
of twenty one hybrids and and so that is a

(01:32:52):
major connection. And I think, you know, people say, well,
what is the purpose of this. Well, there's a couple
of schools of thought. One is that this is something
that they need to do to propagate their species, all right,
And the other is that this is a way for

(01:33:15):
them to peacefully integrate themselves into our civilization without taking
out their ray guns and shooting people. So yeah, you know,
if you want to read about the hybrid situation, you

(01:33:35):
read David Jacob's books.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
On that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
He says, the latest ones are so so much like
us that you can't tell them apart. And there's another
book that talks about the hybrids called Rachel's Eyes. And
one of our also one of our board members, did
they have gnosis work with this woman who's supposedly her

(01:34:03):
daughter went to school in Northern California college with a
hybrid that was visited by military people and give it
special food. So the hybrid thing, which we didn't really
talk about tonight, is fascinating. So thank you for the question.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
All right, let's get to another question here. Let's go
to Jules. Would AI be considered left brained? If so,
doesn't the left brain interpret tend to lie to make
sense with the available information.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
Oh wow, that's a good question. You know, AI can
be anything. It can be left brain, it could be
right brained. It depends on your you know which one
you're using. As I mentioned, we talked about this earlier
about the dangers of AI in the sense that there

(01:35:00):
there's lawsuits going on right now against some of these
companies because kids have committed suicide based on what AI
was telling them. So, you know, I don't really consider
left brain or right brain. I think it's it's a
question of is it general information or is this specific information?

(01:35:23):
Because our board has talked about the fact that do
we want to use AI in any way, shape or form,
And I think the only way we would use AI
is if there was a frequently asked question type of
a situation where we had pat answers, and that's it.
We're not going to let this thing run wild. So anyway, all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Right, let's move on here. Let's go to kim Les.
Can you say more about the honesty trend you mentioned
at the beginning of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
Okay, that's good. Yeah, I flipped that out there kind
of half baked. I guess if you will. What we've
done is we've we've looked at characteristics of the entities.
We're trying to get a much broader picture of what

(01:36:19):
it is that these entities, what traits do they exhibit,
And that's what we've been trying to find out. And
and the thing that came back, and it was like
sixteen different criteria which will be written up in this
in this paper that we're doing, and honesty was like

(01:36:42):
the number one thing that came back that these people
felt that this entity was being honest with them and
they believed them, which may be a good thing or
could be a bad thing too. So and some of
the other traits that I can't remember what they are
right off the top of my head right now, but

(01:37:04):
the honesty thing was the number one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
All right, let's move on. Let's go to Joe in California.
Why do aliens leave razor blade type scratches on your
legs when they abduct you? Always in a pattern of three?

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
Yeah, the little little little dots, triangular shape dots, you know. Uh,
that's that's a very common one. Marks on the body. Well,
there's there's been situations where people have talked about the
fact that they weren't involved with these aliens per se,

(01:37:43):
but demons which have left scratch marks on people's bodies.
Uh and uh. And that's another factor in all of this.
So you know, we're not only you know, we talked
about angels and and and things of that nature. But
on the flip side is demons and they seem to
be real as well, both sides, both sides seem to

(01:38:07):
be real. So why they do that. Maybe it's it's
like you know, we we brand cattle. Maybe maybe something
like that that as well, this is my human you
can't have him right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
I've noticed the three dot pattern on a lot of people.
I've had friends even send me pictures of the three
dot pattern. But Joe here is kind of an anomaly
because he he always tries to deny that he's got aliens,
which he does. But I say that Joe is one

(01:38:48):
of my longest listeners on this show, and he sent
me photos of these long catlike scratches.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Mm hm, you know, and where he doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
A cat, right, got a dog, not a cat though,
And you know those type of scratches, if they happen
in the middle of the night, you would feel that pain.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
You just would You would think so, You would think so,
you would think.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
So have you? However, okay, however, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
I think it's you know, some of these states that
we get into. You know, you may not realize that
it's going on for whatever reason. You may be in
such a deep state of relaxation or or dreaming or
what have you that you may not feel it at

(01:39:45):
the time. But I think again, all of this is
mind boggling. I mean, we're talking about a reality that
is just totally different than what we normally access during
our lives. This is a whole new ballgame that we're

(01:40:09):
trying to get our minds around.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
And it's not easy.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
It's not easy, and whether or not we ever get
our brains around this thing fully is a big question.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
It is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Let's go to amy here. How do you come to
accept it? Et contact? That is?

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
It would make me angry, like, knock it off, fella.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Yep, yeah, well, I think the thing is that, And
first of all, it depends on where you're at with
the experience. Are you in the beginning phases of the
of the the experience or near, you know, into ten
or twenty experiences. The latter portion of people usually already

(01:40:58):
start to accept it after going through many, many inteations
of the experience. They begin to accept it if in fact,
they're having absolutely horrible experience that they wanted to stop.
This is where we try to get them information as
Dave mentioned earlier about utilizing the name of Jesus Christ,

(01:41:20):
which seems to work in a lot of cases, not
in all cases. And then we also recommend that book
by Andruffel, How to Defend Yourself Against alien abduction where
she talks about nine different ways to get it to stop.
But the bottom line is that seventy to eighty percent

(01:41:41):
of the people feel that they don't want these things
to stop. So that smaller majority or minority is are
people that are still fighting it, and then what we
try to do is help them best we can to
give them the tools to make it stops.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Were given a mathematical statistic about people who believe their
contact is good rather than negative, much like Free Experiences.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Matter of fact. There's been a number of studies.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
The Free Study came out with I think in the
high seventies, maybe even eighty percent of the people don't
want the experience the experience to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
On our.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
First phase of our Omega for study, we found the
same thing, and so there's a lot of correlation between
the various studies where majority of the people don't want
it to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
Nicole is asking les, what are your thoughts on quantum
healing hypnosis techniques QHHT, like what was developed by Dolores Cannon.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
Yeah, yeah, that that seems to be a very successful tool.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
That we.

Speaker 10 (01:43:07):
E.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
M d R is another one that seems to be
very useful. And then this q h h T is Uh.
You hear a lot of people that have gone through
that say that it really helped them out to get
down to you know what what what experiences they've had. Uh. So, yeah,

(01:43:31):
it's it's a good, good method.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Can you figure out what's happening to you when it
comes to hypnosis?

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
Can you figure out what's happening to you using hypnosis? Well,
it depends in some cases. Yeah, people have revelations, major revelations.
One of the one of the people in my book,
Adam Yeah, talks about utilizing hypnosis and it massively helped

(01:44:05):
him to get down to the bottom of his experiences
and being able to then integrate that into his life.
And he's come out the other side of this experience
very positive.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
All right, let's go over next to t Bone here.
Why are some people implanted?

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Well, I think that it depends on the group that
the person gets involved with, whether or not they're they're
looking to track this person because what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
What is the implant?

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Okay, let me let me let me pause a second
here and get some information.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
On this implant business.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Sure, now that he brought it up, Okay, so let's
talk about the implant. First. No inflammatory rejection reaction by
the body to this foreign body, which is unusual. You
get a little splinter in your finger and right away
you know it's there, right, No visible portal of entry.

(01:45:15):
Collections of specialized nerve endings surrounding the object, an outer
coating of ceramic biological material, a metallic phase where inorganic
metal becomes biological tissue. Emissions of radio waves which are
deep space frequencies in the fmband so these things are transmitting. Okay,

(01:45:40):
somebody is listening. Cracking electromagnetic fields, and excess of ten
milligous composition of meteoric iron, sixty six rare earth metals
such as U two thirty six, a single isotope of
uranium existing by itself, as well as elements such as uridium,

(01:46:02):
which is very rare and hard to find in the
Earth's crust. This one is really interesting, non terrestrial isotopic ratios,
indicating the involved elements did not come from Earth. Now
he goes on even further, metallic caverns that are no

(01:46:25):
larger than the diameter of one atom. I mean, these
these implants are remarkable, and this was done by doctor
Roger Lear. He had seventeen people that they took these
implants out of and it's all written up in his

(01:46:47):
book The Alien, Alien in the Scalpel, which is a
good read and you should check check that out. And
you want to talk about implants, And so why are
people in planet sure? Is it a tracking device? Is
it something I heard the other day that it's monitoring

(01:47:07):
pollution levels in our bodies? For what purpose? Why are
they doing that? So is this some type of an experiment?
So it's probably not happening to everybody, certainly not happening
to everybody. But for some reason, this particular person or
whoever got the implant is being tracked for some purpose

(01:47:34):
or being monitored for some purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
What about the ones that move?

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
Well, yeah, Willie Streemer's moved. Matter of fact, he was
going to take it out and then.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
He listens to this thing. It talks to him, His
implant talks to him.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
He's written a number of things based on this thing
talking to him.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
It's unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
All right, let's go to another question here.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
Let's go to Tony in the UK, who is asking less,
is there any recognition at all by any authorities in
any way about this subject.

Speaker 4 (01:48:18):
Oh sure, sure there is, yeah, but it's it's stuff
that they're not coming out publicly and saying anything about it.
But they know. Luel Zondo, Okay, he knows about this.
He knows people are being abducted. He's interviewed military people.
Matter of fact, he was excuse me, he was here

(01:48:41):
in northern California to interview Terry Lovelace for this for
his show that he had on the History Channel, and
that never got aired, which was interesting. But I was
able to have lunch with him that day that he
was here, because Terry is one of our on our

(01:49:03):
advisory board and he's a good friend of mine actually,
and he was telling us about the fact that they
think they know how these these objects operate, what what
technology they utilize, and uh, I think they they want
to look at this whole topic in a realm of

(01:49:27):
nuts and bolts. They don't want to deal with the
abduction thing yet because they want to focus on just
what are these objects, where are they coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
What's the what's their purpose.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
They are? Everybody knows the military knows. Terry was interviewed
by the military when he had his experience in his
his buddy when they were abducted in Devil's Dan, Arkansas
on a camping trip, and uh yeah, So there's authorities

(01:50:03):
that know all about this, but they haven't come out publicly.
So that's what we're trying to do now with this
disclosure movement, and I matter of fact, I think that's
a misnover. It should be the confirmation movement to try
to get these guys to confirm the fact that this
is actually going.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
On, right, absolutely all right, moving on here, So we've
got about three and a half minutes go to PARAMIV.
You mentioned helping people to stop the encounters. Do you
ever have people contact you in hopes of starting encounters
with ets.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
Well, that's a good question. And as a matter of fact,
we have had people in the past that have come
to us and saying, you know, I'm really interested in
trying to communicate with these entities. How do I go
about that? Well, you know, one of the things, I
guess there's been a number of groups out there. One

(01:51:05):
of them is uh Careers CE five group that has
tried to communicate, and there's a couple of other groups
out there that supposedly are able to meditate and bring
these things in. So uh, they're evidently are ways to

(01:51:25):
uh you know, get get things to have. That reminds
me of a story a good friend of mine, Ruben Oriacte,
who's a member of MUFAN as well, and he went
over to the UK to look at some crop circles

(01:51:46):
and he was with a group of people and they
were all kind of not paying much attention and just
having a good time, and he really wanted to see something,
and so he went off by himself and start to
think about the fact that I would I would like
to have something, you know, come up and and and

(01:52:08):
and uh uh show me that you're here and and
and what you're doing. And long story short, these three
objects came up from behind the hill.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
There were gold goldish in color.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
And the next day, I guess, uh, he was looking
at a map of the area where these things came up,
and uh, it was called Golden.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Ball Hill and these things look like golden balls.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
So and so he basically put the thought out there
that I would like to see something, and they showed up.
So if you're you're your spirit is is positive and
and and you're do this politely, it seems to be
the way to do it. That you might be able

(01:53:07):
to contact something. Now, on the other hand, you might
not want to be involved with them, so you got
to think about that at the consequences of actually making contact.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Very true.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Less we got about a minute to go here. Unfortunately,
we're not going to get to all the questions that
we wanted to tonight. But for everybody out there who
is an ET contact to your abduct or thinks they are,
where can they reach you?

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
Yeah, the best way to do it is go to
opusnetwork dot org and you're looking for support. There's a
support tab there you can punch or if you just
want to. We're also looking for more mental health practitioners
and hypnotherapists, So you can contact us through the contact

(01:53:57):
button on the site and we'll start talking to you
and bring into the fold. And then we also have
a YouTube channel ourselves. You go to Opus a separate
word network, and I do interviews myself.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
You are a wonderful les Palles.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
You're one of the great guys out there in this field.
And much prosperity to you, and once again thank you
for serving and all the best on Veterans Day to
you coming up next on spaced Out Radio, we have
Swamp Dweller. Then the Wizard returns for the UFO Report.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
We will be right back. Everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:54:40):
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Thank you. Let I appreciate anybody. Thank you, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
I appreciate you and thank you for what you do
because it's important shows like yours gets the word out.
Thank you, Curious Topics.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Anytime you want to come on you just let me know.
All right, Dave, have a good night, all right, buddy,
take care, Les Valez everybody. He will be in Vegas
with us as well in spring. He will be right back. Everybody, Uta.

Speaker 11 (01:57:25):
USA US.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
About a minute to go here.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Let's get over to our good friend the Wizard.

Speaker 12 (02:00:24):
How you doing, buddy, I'm doing fantastic. Dave, fantastic, He Dungarian,
how you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Good to see you so good morning. Skip to my loom,
and once again a big thank you to all the
veterans out there who have served in the past, are
currently serving, who are listening in right now Veterans Day
in the United States, Remembrance Day in the Commonwealth. Thank
you very much for your service. We really do appreciate
and love each and every one of you around here.

(02:00:57):
It's spaced Out Radio, so thank you very very much much.
And see styles welcome to this so our chat and
oh I know you, Yeah, you've been here. Thank you
tonight to Andrew T Bone and Sally for our loan
super chats. We greatly appreciate it. YouTube membership is open.

(02:01:18):
You can shop at our store on our website. And
here we go, everybody, Here we go with the third end,
final hour of spaced Out Radio tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
My name is Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
Thank you very much for tuning us in wherever you
are on this beautiful planet.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
We call Earth.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
Hello to everyone listening in on our terrestrial affiliates around
North America digitally on every major podcast network. Our website
spaced out Radio dot com. We have a plethora features
for you. Rock out to bumblefoot, read the news wire,
check out our swag as well. You can follow us
on exit spaced Out Radio, Instagram, at spaced Out Radio Show,

(02:02:12):
and on Patreon. In the Space Travelers Club, the Desert
Clam has set the password for tonight in the sr
Space Travelers Club. Refoscylate refocilate is your password, Use it wisely,
space travelers, as the Clam sets the password each.

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
And every night. Right here on spaced Out Radio, let's
head to the swamp.

Speaker 6 (02:02:35):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radios Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the UNO, sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.

Speaker 10 (02:02:48):
Welcome to the space Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 13 (02:02:53):
When I was fourteen, I used to hang out with
my friend Tony, who lived in a trailer park. We
used to space time around a couple cute girls, one
of which I was interested in.

Speaker 10 (02:03:04):
She was thirteen.

Speaker 13 (02:03:06):
For the sake of not divulging names, I will call
them Carrie, the one I liked, and Hope. One day
I went to see if Carrie wanted to hang out,
and she wasn't home. So Tony and I mosey over
to Hope's house and I knock on the door. A
balding man and his the late forties or fifties opens
the door. After a few minute, waits in points of

(02:03:28):
forty five at my head. He said something in the
effect if you ever come knocking here again, I'll shoot you.
I noped the hell out of there and decided I
didn't like the guy or knocking on his door much anyway.
Later that week, I visited my dad, who worked at
the mental ward at the Salem Penitentiary in Oregon.

Speaker 10 (02:03:48):
The one where one flew over the cuckoo's nest was filmed.

Speaker 13 (02:03:52):
Somehow, the conversation over dinner drew me to casually mention
some people are so crazy, to which my dad was
not through ill to hear about that encounter. My dad
asked me for the man's phone number, which I had
because I also happened to have Hope's number.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
He called the.

Speaker 13 (02:04:09):
Guy, whose name was Rick the old gunsling and creepizoid.
He offered the man a place in his facility, with
mention for the fact that he is allowed to fill
out mandatory referral forms, which upon submission, require action by
the recipient to evaluate their own mental health. Ricky quickly
apologized and guaranteed the incident would not be repeated. Two

(02:04:30):
or three days later, on a Saturday, at around eight pm,
I got the call during dinner at my mom's house
where I lived.

Speaker 10 (02:04:37):
It was Rick. He apologized me profusely and wanted to
make it up to me. He suggested that I came
over and play a game of pool with him.

Speaker 13 (02:04:44):
Being headstrong, cocky and far from naive child, there was
some cursing, laughing in a big old note. Some time later,
around the period of a few weeks or a month,
Rick made the front page.

Speaker 10 (02:04:56):
He had been sexually soliciting children, which I learned from
other soords included Carrie and Hope his own daughter to
older men. A female friend who was close with both girls,
but overweight and apparently never targeted, mentioned to me that
Rick had a giant container of vitamin E lotion and
no pool table pool with an over aggressive gun happy

(02:05:18):
creepisore on a Saturday evening.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
Yeah, I I'd rather have.

Speaker 10 (02:05:23):
Something else to do spend my night with one of
those people.

Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
Thank you, swamp Dweller for another creepy story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to YouTube.
Type in swamp Dweller, hit subscribe, ring that bell. Thousands
of stories that'll creep you out each and every night.
Time for the UFO Report. Here's the wizard says sif.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
You have bows and bread, here we go.

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
The Wizard, Josh Rutledge here on spaced out Radio. We
love it when he's here from the beautiful state of Arizona. Josh,
thank you for coming on in.

Speaker 12 (02:06:12):
Thanks for having me again, David, you know, twice a week.
It's it's a fantastic time. I look forward to it
every every single week.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Me too, my man, me too.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
And you know, it's something that is kind of important
to what we do around here.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
You're kind of important. We like you. Well, thank you,
thank you. I feel important. You should, you totally should.
That's what we do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
By the way, quick story here, yep. The United States
Marine Corps celebrating it's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

Speaker 3 (02:06:50):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:06:50):
Two hundred and fifty years. That's a quarter of a millennia. Yeah. Wow.
One of the.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
Best UFO stories that I have heard about the United
States Marine Corps happened in twenty twenty one in a
training mission at twenty nine Palms, where fifty soldiers witnessed
a black triangle fly on over, hover there, and then
fly off and disappear. Have you heard this one?

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
I have?

Speaker 12 (02:07:22):
I think it's also they recorded some footage of like
five lights in the distance that was kind of similar,
you know, five lights in the distance being similar to
the Phoenix Lights event. And so there's a correlation there

(02:07:42):
that I think some people drew between Phoenix Lights and
what they saw. But yeah, there's that footage out there.
Like you said, it's not only that they saw a triangle,
that they saw these these five lights. And what's crazy
is a lot of people said, oh, they're just mistakenly
identifying flares, Mike. They're frickin' marines. They know what flares

(02:08:03):
look like. They're not gonna misidentify flares and call it
a UFO. I would agree with you on that. And
the other thing that we have to be reminiscent of too.
This is in restricted airspace. Okay, it's in the Mohave Desert.
There are a lot of UFO sightings around this area.

(02:08:25):
Whether they're UFOs or UAP, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:08:30):
There's a lot of testing that goes on around there
because there are Lockheed skunkquirks is there for instance. There's
a lot of strange happenings. So my question to you is,
with this sighting back in twenty twenty one for the
United States Marine Corps, thank you to all the Marines
and everybody who has served. Do you think that there's

(02:08:51):
a possibility that maybe this wasn't a UFO but some
sort of human technology that was maybe doing some testing
at that exact act same time.

Speaker 12 (02:09:02):
I mean, it's very possible, but I also and I
you know, I caution, I caution the use of UFO
as a descriptor. Right, a UFO is unidentified by nature,
So until we identify it as anything other than unidentified,
it's a UFO. It's you know, using the UFO as

(02:09:25):
the descriptor of an alien craft is an oxymoron. You
can't have an unidentified flying object and then call and
then say it's a UFO, ergo an alien craft. So
until we can identify it, we have to treat it
as unknown. And and you know, it's very possible that

(02:09:47):
it is stuff we built. I watched an interview today
with Russ Coultheart talking about you know a lot. He
says he's got an eyewitness testimon only that Lockheed Martin
was conducting blue on blue exercises at the nima's incident
in two thousand and four. So you know, if if big,

(02:10:11):
if we have reverse engineered and we're actually able to
fly some of this stuff fly being with pilots and
seats or you know, psionics type activity. It stands the
reason that they would test some of this stuff in
you know, wide open desert and then you know, maybe

(02:10:34):
even turn the lights on for people to see.

Speaker 1 (02:10:40):
And that is a big point right there. You know,
this one I believe would be inconclusive of what it
might be. Yeah, you know, all because of the fact
that we don't know because of the airspace it was in.
This is why, you know, no offense to skywatcher. I
had a really big issue them when they went and

(02:11:01):
did their UFO SkyWatch at twenty nine Palms or in
the vicinity of that area. I mean, when they're testing
black projects, they are testing them in areas like that,
and they're testing them at night.

Speaker 2 (02:11:19):
They're not doing it during the day, They're doing it
at night.

Speaker 12 (02:11:22):
Yeah, and I mean NASA, NASA just I don't know
if you saw it or not, but the Associated Press
put out a couple of videos where NASA is testing
one of its newer newest jets, the X fifty nine
I believe is the tag number, and they're they're working

(02:11:43):
on reducing the amount of noise that is produced at
takeoff and also during a achieving a supersonic flight in
hopes that eventually they'll be able to equit commercial airliners
with the same technology, and so we could actually have

(02:12:07):
supersonic commercial jets flying around and getting us. This kind
of goes back to the story you and I talked about,
I think it was last week or the week before,
around the possibility of like an ion type drive.

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
But this is just.

Speaker 12 (02:12:22):
Using just a different way of building an engine. Still
still you know, burning fuel, just like every other engine
we produce, but it's just a different way of making
the engine, a different way of the aerodynamics. The plane
looks crazy, Uh there's a camera mounted above the canopy.

(02:12:43):
The pilot can't even see the front of the nose
of the plane. He has to rely on the camera
that provides him a forward facing view in the cockpit.
But you know, maybe you know, something like that even
probably is being tested in that area, and that plane
that NASA plaine is being tested at the Lockey Martin

(02:13:07):
facility in the Palm to twenty one, the twenty one Palms, Yeah, Palmdale.

Speaker 2 (02:13:16):
So it's an incredible, incredible piece.

Speaker 1 (02:13:20):
And you know, this is why, Josh, I think we
have to be ultimately careful where we are seeing UFOs
and or UAP. I mean, you don't draw a difference.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
I do.

Speaker 1 (02:13:31):
That's one of our agree to disagree moments there, and
that's quite okay. We're allowed to have civil conversation while
agreeing to disagree. The idea behind what I am saying, though,
is I think it's more credible when we have say
a farmer in the middle of Nebraska or Saskatchewan, or

(02:13:55):
in the mountains of British Columbia or Washington State where
there are no milli military bases around, where all of
a sudden they have an encounter with something odd and interesting,
rather than if you're say where you and Shane heard
were at Area fifty one outside Rachel, Nevada skywatching or

(02:14:17):
twenty nine Palms like this incident or what skywatcher did.
I think it becomes a little bit more convoluted when
you're closer to those secret bases than when you're not.

Speaker 12 (02:14:30):
No, I would agree, And you know sky Skywatcher did
they have some daytime footage you know that they put
out on their YouTube channel just before they went silent,
So they are doing some stuff during the day as well,
but even things during the day. It's it's very far
off in the distance. They're still they're still doing daytime

(02:14:52):
stuff close to you know, those facilities. And I think
that because of like AI and because of the because
we have like we talked, we talked about this last week,
because we don't really see your film orbs or craft

(02:15:14):
up close anymore. You know, it's almost like they've they've
realized that when they get close to us they cause
us harm, and so they're keeping their distance, which you know, hey,
that's cool, but also that means we don't really only
have any close up shots. And so that, coupled with
AI and deep fakes and things, it makes me wonder

(02:15:37):
if the phenomena is evolving in the way it is
interacting with us because we've become so skeptical of anything
that we see in video footage as potentially being a hoax.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
That is very true, That is very true.

Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
And I think that's a point that we're going to
end up seeing over the next little bit here, over
the next couple of years, and if not longer, the
more is AI advances.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
I agree with you on that.

Speaker 12 (02:16:11):
You know, it's like, for for me, the interaction with
the phenomena has evolved to be like, you know, seeing entities,
you know, in my backyard or at a SkyWatch that
I did this past weekend with Phoenix, move on. You know,
I saw some I saw some stuff in the sky,

(02:16:33):
but there was a lot of skepticism about the things
that we saw in the sky. And so it was
almost like a well, here, I'll give you something that
that was impossible for you to be skeptical about. And
you know, we snapped the photo and here's this clear
as day entity standing photo bombed our picture. So that's

(02:16:53):
that's where I'm thinking, at least for me, uh, the
phenomena is evolving its interaction because I am even even
lights in the sky that I know are not satellites,
I still am. It's hard for me to get past
the skeptical, analytical side of me that wants to try

(02:17:13):
to rule out every single possible solution that it could be.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
I agree, I agree we need to be able to
do that, But how do we do it when we
don't even know what's flying in our sky? That's the problem.

Speaker 12 (02:17:28):
Yeah, well, but we're We've always had that situation. I mean,
back when they were testing the you know, the blackbird
and the stealth bombers and self fighters and everything. We're
always going to have situations where there are things flying
or maneuvering in our skies that we're not aware of
as the general public.

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
And I think I think that's.

Speaker 12 (02:17:55):
Just I don't know, I don't know that it's it's okay,
but I think it's just the reality of as companies,
you know, independent contractors or you know, the government, as
they seek to advance technology, they're going to want to
keep it a secret until they feel like they've perfected
it and then they're going to make it known. And

(02:18:17):
so unfortunately that means that we have to endure kind
of this uh you know and never ending layer of
secrecy around a lot of the things in the sky.
Now that being said, I do think that even testing
like that should be restricted to you know, MAS, which

(02:18:40):
is the military operation area I think is what it
stands for, and they're all over the country, a lot
of them out here in the Southwest, but they should
be restricted to moas and not really exceed the boundaries
of the MOA so that there's no confusion. Is too,
you know, is this a unknown military craft operating in

(02:19:03):
civilian airspace? Because you know, you talk about a lot
of a lot of the language around the UAP investigations
in Congress is around safety to airline pilots. Well, you
can't have mocking Martin, you know, testing a reverse engineered
craft in the middle of civilian airspace. That is definitely

(02:19:26):
a safety concern.

Speaker 2 (02:19:31):
Do you think then the public, now.

Speaker 1 (02:19:37):
More so in the United States than probably anywhere else,
knows the difference between what they see in the night
sky as a satellite, as a UFO, as an airliner,
as a drone.

Speaker 2 (02:19:56):
What do you think?

Speaker 12 (02:19:58):
I think that people are are becoming more educated on
the topic, But I would say that the if you
were to take, you know, a survey of one hundred
people and show them pictures of prosaic you know, like
I said, drone, airplane, whatever, flying at night, whatever, and

(02:20:20):
asked them what they thought it was, I would bet
that a low percentage would actually know what it was.

Speaker 4 (02:20:31):
You know.

Speaker 12 (02:20:31):
That's like somebody asked me the other night if I
thought all of the New Jersey drone stuff was just misidentification,
and I said, I think.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
Some of it might have been.

Speaker 12 (02:20:42):
Legitimate, but I think a lot of it was misidentification
because it hit the you know, the local media. People
who normally don't look up, all of a sudden, we're
looking up, and they were seeing things in the night
sky that they've never really seen before, and they were
interpreting that as these mysterious drones. But I think a

(02:21:07):
lot of it, probably ninety five to you know, ninety
eight percent of what was reported in the New Jersey
drone was probably misidentification from people who are not used
to seeing what's in the night sky.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
It's getting harder for people, though, it really is.

Speaker 12 (02:21:27):
I think, yeah, I mean it's hard for investigators, you know,
because of you know, just it's it's really hard, you know,
as an investigator. The thing that I always say to
people investigating any case for is is I wasn't there.

(02:21:48):
So if you if you saw this light and you
tried to video it but it didn't really show up
on the video that you submitted or the picture that
you submitted, but you felt a connection to it.

Speaker 2 (02:22:00):
At the end of the.

Speaker 12 (02:22:00):
Day, you know, I'm going to look up and see
was there any air traffic, was there any satellites, you know,
what was the astronomical stuff that was going on? But
if there's nothing that just you know, is ninety explainable
to what you saw, then I have to rule it
as an unknown. And you know, for a lot of

(02:22:23):
people that are seeking, you know, a definitive answer, what
do you what do you think it was? What do
you think it could be? You know, it could be
frustrating for them to get from you know, us investigators
to say, look, all I can tell you is what
it's not. But at the end of the day, you know,
we don't necessarily have answers. We just know it's not

(02:22:44):
you know, these things that are man made or these
things that are atmospheric, you know, conditions and here's here's
what it isn't. I think that the best thing that
that people could do, know if they if they really
wanted to to learn, if they really wanted to educate themselves,

(02:23:06):
is to there's like a handful of apps that they
can install on their phone that would you know, like Stellarium,
for example, to know what constellations, what stars, what planets
are in the night sky. Stelarium actually, you know, also
shows satellites that are moving around in an international space
station and when it flies over you know, flight Radar

(02:23:28):
twenty four or flight Aware or ADSB shows you all
the air traffic in the area. If you pay for
the Flight Radar twenty four version, you'll actually also so
you show you military jets when they're within range of
a commercial airport because FA requires them to turn on
the transponder when they were within.

Speaker 2 (02:23:48):
A certain range of a commercial airport.

Speaker 12 (02:23:51):
So there's there's things like that that you could do
to educate yourself to become an investigator, you know, even
if an even if an aim your investigator of your
own of your own sightings to help educate yourself on
what these things are in the night sky, how to
identify them, and you know what's what's really unknown and

(02:24:14):
what isn't.

Speaker 1 (02:24:18):
Well, let's take this into the next break because I
know you've got some UFO stories that you want to
get to for our great audience and spaced Out Radio Land,
the UFO Lizard Josh Rutledge at the UFO Report continue
on this show into the final half hour. Stay tuned, everybody.

Speaker 7 (02:24:36):
This is spaced Out Radio and your hosts name Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:25:00):
By the way, Also the fiftieth anniversary of the Edmund
FitzGeralds sinking and the fiftieth anniversary of Travis Walton coming back.

Speaker 12 (02:25:14):
Yeah, you know, it's not an anniversary, but the you know,
the Air Force in the US was created in nineteen
forty seven, September of nineteen forty seven, the exact, just

(02:25:36):
a few months after Roswell.

Speaker 2 (02:25:41):
Yeah, that's interesting too. And another little tidbit, Space Force
was established just a few months after the New York
Times article about the nimics and the go fast and
all that kind of stuff. Coincidence. I don't know.

Speaker 12 (02:26:10):
Where was the headquarters. Where was the main headquarters for
the Air Force? You might ask, right, Patterson Air Force Base.

Speaker 1 (02:26:16):
That's right.

Speaker 12 (02:26:18):
Where is all the Roswell stuff supposedly taken?

Speaker 2 (02:26:22):
Right right, Patterson Air Force Base.

Speaker 12 (02:26:24):
Yeah, when I created when I created the new UAP
Task Force, they gave it to the Navy. Why because
we're observing stuff that is trans medium, goes between the water,

(02:26:45):
the land and the sea. That's the Navy and the Marines.

Speaker 1 (02:26:52):
Look at you, just a just an encyclopedia of ufhone knowledge.
This is why he's showing off right now. That will
reason why I would call him the Wizard. That's good

(02:27:18):
times man, yep. And I think it's time for a
new office chair. I am so uncomfortable tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:27:37):
Really, I've had this.

Speaker 12 (02:27:38):
This chair is one of those. It's a gaming chair. Yeah,
it's it's like Secret Lab I think is the manufacturer.
It's not bad, but it's a little stiff, like you know,
it's just like it's not bad. It's like, you know,

(02:27:58):
I work from home in I sit in this chair
all day long.

Speaker 2 (02:28:05):
So it's not bad.

Speaker 12 (02:28:07):
You know, I don't I don't get sore or anything,
but it is a little stuff at times, and I
kind of like I want to, you know, the nineteen
ninety four Lazy Boy. You know, you fall into it
and it like, you know, swaddles you and puts you
to sleep. But of course, I guess if I had
a chair like that, I probably would fall asleep while

(02:28:28):
I'm orc So that's not a good idea.

Speaker 1 (02:28:31):
That's the way this chair used to be. And I
think my fat butt is as made it not so
much anymore. Right, we have about ninety seconds. Okay, maybe

(02:29:14):
I just need to find another pillow.

Speaker 2 (02:29:18):
You know, you should look you should look at purple purple.

Speaker 12 (02:29:22):
Yeah, the people who make the purple mattresses. Yeah, they
sell the purple squishy stuff that sits on top of
their mattresses. They sell it as chair cushions. Oh really, yeah,
and I actually had some for a car I used
to have because the driver's seat was not comfortable for

(02:29:43):
long trips.

Speaker 1 (02:29:44):
Right and throw that in there. There you go, rock
and roll buddy. All right, we got thirty seconds. Thank
you to shally t Bone Andrew. Thank you everybody for
stepping up giving us a bunch of thumbs up there
to push us well over one hundred tonight. Appreciate it.
That really helps with our algorithms. And don't forget after

(02:30:07):
the show leave a comment what you liked, what you
didn't like, whatever it may be. That's quite okay. We're
just glad you're here. Our store on our website is
always open. We do not have ugly swag. People, no
ugly swag. So check it on out.

Speaker 2 (02:30:21):
Here we go, Here.

Speaker 1 (02:30:43):
We go with the final half hour of Space Out
Radio tonight. Good to have you with us.

Speaker 2 (02:30:48):
My name is Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:30:49):
We greatly appreciate earning your listening ears wherever you are
on this beautiful planet we call Earth. Hey. We want
to remind all of you that if you missed most
of this show, others or archives are always free on
YouTube or any major podcast network. Our website spaced Out
Radio dot com. We have a plethora of features for you.

(02:31:10):
Rock out to bumblefoot, read the news wire, check out
our swag as well. You can follow us on Exit,
spaced Out Radio, Instagram, spaced Out Radio Show, and on Patreon.
In the Space Travelers Club, we got the wizard here.
We call him Josh Rutledge in human name, and of
course he is with MUFAN in Arizona. He is a

(02:31:31):
lover of everything a UFO, even though he claims to
be a UAP guy, but we won't hold that against him.

Speaker 12 (02:31:38):
Josh, how you doing, buddy, Yeah, I'm doing great. I
am not a UAP guy. I just want to I
just want UFOs to remain unidentified. If you think it's
an alien craft, call it an alien craft.

Speaker 2 (02:31:53):
Hey, I think I saw an alien craft. Don't think
I think I saw a UFO. That's all. I don't care.

Speaker 12 (02:32:02):
Split hairs on that another time. I guess I don't
have that many hairs left to split.

Speaker 1 (02:32:08):
So all right, let's get let's get right to it.
My friend, what do you got for us tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:32:16):
All right?

Speaker 12 (02:32:16):
So I got some three iye Atlas news. It came
out from around the Sun, you know, from our perspective,
and it may have exploded into twelve or so smaller chunks,

(02:32:40):
all emitting somewhere around seven or so of their own
kind of cosmic jets, if you will, towards the Sun.
Some are towards the Sun, some are wiferom the Sun.
Abby's position is that, you know, they these jets that

(02:33:03):
are now being kind of ejected, are they penetrate over
one million kilometers through through the solar wind. But he
also says, you know, kind of his going back to
his potential that it's a you know, alien craft, alien tech.
He said, if if it was you know, burning its

(02:33:27):
thrusters coming out the other side of the of the
of the Sun, it would appear to us the same way.
So you know, he he was quoted as saying it
didn't maneuver. The boost to its velocity was equivalent to
a jet carrying five billion tons of matter. Oh way, Yeah,

(02:33:55):
so yeah, I don't know. I mean, I I still, uh,
most of the information that I'm getting in a non
scientific manner points to it being uh some sort of
like uh, you know, a cosmic space whale, if you will,
and it just flows through the universe and it is

(02:34:20):
responsible for, you know, spreading life throughout the universe, so uh,
that's possible too. You know, maybe it's maybe it's depositing
its eggs.

Speaker 2 (02:34:33):
Around our son. Who knows.

Speaker 12 (02:34:35):
There also was a really big uh solar flare mass
ejection that happened earlier today, so it'd be you know,
is it is it coincidence that that big coronal mass
ejection happened right after three I Atlas passed by the sun,
and and and kind of a you know, separated into

(02:34:58):
twelve or so individual pieces.

Speaker 1 (02:35:00):
I don't know, I'm telling you, man, I still think
there's something weird with this one.

Speaker 2 (02:35:08):
I really do.

Speaker 12 (02:35:10):
Yeah, I mean it, you know, it does. I really
do not like the threat narrative. You and I have
talked about we don't like the threat narrative. But it
really does harken back to that, you know, that line
from Independence Day where they're like, you know, it's now
broken up into twelve or so individual pieces, and they're
all headed towards Earth.

Speaker 4 (02:35:30):
You know.

Speaker 12 (02:35:33):
It's almost like you know, that movie somehow foretold the future.
So yeah, it's really interesting. It'll you know, well, of course,
we'll have to see how it evolves.

Speaker 2 (02:35:46):
You know some more.

Speaker 12 (02:35:48):
The one thing Avey did say in NASA is still
holding out. They have not released the images that they
captured when it passed by marsh nor have released the
images that they've been capturing once it came out from
the other side of the sun. We've got some you know,

(02:36:09):
amateur photographs from folks that are out taking, you know,
pictures of the telescope, and like europe European Space Agency
and the India Space Agency have also released some photos.
But we're still waiting. We're holding out for the stuff
from NASA.

Speaker 2 (02:36:25):
Uh and Obvia's.

Speaker 12 (02:36:29):
Becoming frustrated, I believe based on his demeanor in some
of these interviews that NASA has not released those photos.

Speaker 1 (02:36:37):
Why do you think, Why do you think NASA continues
to put itself in these type of situations.

Speaker 2 (02:36:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (02:36:50):
You know, it was the same thing when they when
they had their big press conference around you know, their
their version of the UAP report or they analyzed the
go fast, the gimbal and everything and basically said, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:37:02):
Nothing to see here, move along, move along, nothing that's here.

Speaker 12 (02:37:08):
It I don't know, I guess my my big concern
is that NASA, of the space race was cutting edge.
But I feel like NASA of modern times is trying
to find relevancy in the new space race.

Speaker 2 (02:37:31):
And I don't know if that's.

Speaker 12 (02:37:34):
Left them bitter or what, but it's it's rather frustrating
that they aren't more forthcoming. You would think that as
a scientific, you know, organization, it would it would be
in their best interest to release you know, if they're
if they're concerned that AVI is talking about this is

(02:37:56):
the possibility of it being alien tech. The quickest, the
easiest way to quieten him down is to release the
photos that you know, tell us one hundred percent or
at least maybe eighty percent that that's not possible or
that's not the case. So it's just it's just really

(02:38:17):
odd in their behavior the last few years. And like
I said that, maybe it's just because they're trying to
figure out how NASA fits into this new kind of
space economy that started up with you know, India and
China and I think Italy, you know, have all put

(02:38:39):
rovers on the Moon. Now India, I believe, and China
are planning you know, projects to go to Mars. So
it's just what is NASA's role in this new kind
of global space economy. I think that's maybe where they're
trying to figure it out, and so maybe they're a

(02:39:00):
little clutch and the details. You know, it's almost like
they're thinking about themselves as a corporation and they don't
want to release anything that would hint at their intellectual property.

Speaker 2 (02:39:16):
Yeah, it is a.

Speaker 1 (02:39:19):
Scary time watching how much they are really trying to
be a part of it. I mean, NASA could do
so much more. If they really cared about the whole
UFO story, they would tell us what's in their closets. Yeah,
they don't. They and a lot of people don't understand

(02:39:43):
that NASA is basically two companies in one where you
have your your public persona sending people into the Moon,
the Space Shuttle program, you know, everything to do with
Space Agency. But then you have your military side, your
secret side of NASA that nobody pays attention to. And

(02:40:07):
I believe that is really where the story is and
the fact that they have already released so much but
failed to acknowledge it. Whether it's radio transmissions, whether it's
pilot testimony, astronaut testimony, engineer testimony, they have it all,

(02:40:29):
but they just don't.

Speaker 2 (02:40:30):
Do it well.

Speaker 12 (02:40:31):
And you know, you make you make a good point
and that you know, NASA is a government agency, so uh, well,
I don't know. They're funded by the government, but they're
supposed to be independent. But I would imagine that they
are structured the same way many government agencies are, and
so they are very likely very compartmentalized. You know, the

(02:40:54):
left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
I mean probably the index finger on the left hand
doesn't know what the thumb on the left hand is doing.

Speaker 2 (02:41:02):
And so you're right.

Speaker 12 (02:41:04):
I mean, they've they've gotten all these different sensors and
things that are capturing all kinds of data. They've got
you know, astronaut testimony and so on and so forth.
But you know, for me, it kind of goes back
to the what is what do they gain from pulling
all the information together and voluntarily releasing it. Well, I mean,

(02:41:26):
in the case of NASA, I think they would gain
some public trust and that NASA is going to do
the best thing from a space agency scientific perspective. They're
not going to let politics determine what they think is best,
you know, for humanity to know about what they've found.
But unfortunately, I think NASA since probably the eighties has

(02:41:50):
become a rather political organization. I would agree with you there,
I would totally agree.

Speaker 1 (02:41:58):
And they don't have the publics interested heart, and I
think that's where they've failed.

Speaker 12 (02:42:05):
Yeah, uh you know, I know, I know NASA is
still planning to do you know, the artemist missions to
put you know, people on the Moon and build colonies
on the Moon and all that kind of stuff. But
you know, is there going to be enough uh you know,
public interest in us doing those things? You know, maybe

(02:42:29):
if they release foot if they release video or you know,
astronaut testimony that talks about the craft they saw when
they were when they did the Apollo missions, I bet
you the people would be interested in going back to
the Moon.

Speaker 2 (02:42:42):
Then I bet you too. I bet you too. So
real quick, I've.

Speaker 12 (02:42:51):
Got kind of a interesting slash, I don't know, funny,
silly type story that I wanted to tell.

Speaker 2 (02:43:00):
I'll please do so.

Speaker 12 (02:43:03):
The new pope that we got I think last year,
has appointed a new astronomer over there, you know, their
observatory side of the Vatican. And this individual has his
name is Father Richard Desuza, and he says that if

(02:43:28):
humans ever make contact with intelligent life, and an alien
asked to be baptized, he would baptize them.

Speaker 1 (02:43:42):
Isn't that just reaffirming what Pope Francis had said in
twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (02:43:48):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 12 (02:43:50):
But I think it's interesting that, you know, it's like
somebody that's not the Pope. I guess saying this because
I don't know how it works in the Catholic Church
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:43:58):
I've never been Catholic.

Speaker 12 (02:44:00):
Like I've got some friends that are Catholic, but like,
I feel like the Pope puts out his messages and
his direction, but then each individual.

Speaker 2 (02:44:08):
Kind of.

Speaker 12 (02:44:12):
You know, Lieutenant, I don't know what the right word is, Bishop,
I don't know whatever. The cardinals and bishops and I
don't know how it all works. But I just got
to look at the chessboard, well where are the rooks then,
But like they all just kind of take you know,
It's kind of like the CEO of a company puts
out his big strategic vision and then it's up for

(02:44:36):
the people in the company to figure out how to
make that come to fruition. I feel like it's the
same like the Pope puts out, yeah, let's do this,
let's work on this. And then it's up for the
all the you know, upper and middle management folks to
figure out how to actually make it work. So but
he did say that, you know, he he asked about

(02:44:59):
the search for life, and he said that the search
for life beyond Earth could yield answers within the next
thirty years.

Speaker 2 (02:45:07):
As science is pushing for that. It makes you wonder
whether or not he knows something that we don't.

Speaker 12 (02:45:20):
Yeah, perhaps, I mean there was an.

Speaker 2 (02:45:27):
Image on.

Speaker 12 (02:45:31):
An x that somebody had commented about, you know, President
Trump making a press conference statement at eleven o'clock in
the morning, and he said it's probably about the aliens
and the age of disclosure. Official account replied and said
that happens later this year, So it does. You know,

(02:45:52):
we've talked about how there's a strong possibility that well,
I'll back up, so you know, in the Brookings Report,
probably most people are familiar with in the sixties did
an assessment and they found that humans weren't ready to
know about life outside of Earth. And so I would

(02:46:15):
imagine that anytime you have a presentation like that with
that conclusion, there's usually a follow up question of well,
how do we get them ready? And I feel like
that that's actually what's been happening over the last you know,
since the sixties. It's been a slow methodical basically h

(02:46:40):
saturation of you know, alien type methodologies and movies and
books and TV and everything else to slowly bring us
into the possibility of meeting aliens face to face and
not immediately wanting to shoot them in the face. And

(02:47:02):
I would imagine that as a part of that plan
you would involve the great spiritual leaders of the world,
because faith for a lot of the world is very important,
and so why wouldn't you involve the Catholic Church in
helping to reinforce that it's okay if aliens come to

(02:47:24):
visit us because they're all God's children or whatever, you know,
whatever the message is going to be. So again, I
think that that's probably what's been happening since the sixties,
maybe you know the seventies, is a slow trickle of
you know, information being fed into the brains of you know,

(02:47:47):
society via media and you know, supported from spiritual leaders.

Speaker 2 (02:47:54):
So maybe this guy does know more than we do.

Speaker 12 (02:48:00):
And maybe you know that thing from Agent Disclosure is correct.
Maybe later this year we will get some sort of
an official statement about you know, ets or whatever the
case may be, and hopefully it's not a threat narrative.

Speaker 1 (02:48:15):
Well, I mean, here's the thing. We don't know what
the Vatican is holding, and there are archives we don't know.
They don't let it out, and I guess when I
look at it, there has to be something more than
just alien species potentially visiting Earth. There's too many cover ups,

(02:48:36):
too many secrets that they either have absolutely nothing or
they have something, but they are afraid to bring the
public into this conversation. And it's an important conversation, probably
the next biggest conversation since Jesus Christ himself was back
on walk.

Speaker 2 (02:48:56):
In the Earth.

Speaker 1 (02:48:57):
Yeah, okay, So I mean there is some sort of
correlation that we see between places like the governments of
the world, namely the US government, and places like the
Vatican that have all of these symbols and knowledge where
they have you know, the the Vatican is very interested

(02:49:17):
in space. Oh yeah, okay, why would they be interested
in space? That still doesn't make sense to me unless
they're looking for something.

Speaker 12 (02:49:29):
Yeah, or like you said, they already know the answer
and they're just making sure that they're fully prepared so
that they can control the narrative of you know, if
you think about it, the countries of the world have

(02:49:49):
their you know that there citizens that make up that country,
and the most that they can ever influence potentially is
their citizens. But the Catholic Church has members across the globe,
in every country, on every continent, probably even Antarctica. So

(02:50:14):
the messaging or communication from the Vatican has a greater
potential influence than all one hundred and what is one
hundred and nineties seven or something like that country's having
to individually engage with their citizens.

Speaker 1 (02:50:37):
I would agree we got about a minute to go here,
minute and a half to go. I mean, there is
no way that any of these guys ever ever open
up their vaults.

Speaker 12 (02:50:52):
No, I would be really interesting to see the coronavisor
if I could, if I could ever get access to
the Vatican vaults, I would want to see the coronavisor.

Speaker 1 (02:51:04):
That would be fun. It would be that would be fun.

Speaker 12 (02:51:07):
You know, the corona avisor will let you look back
in history? Yeah, where would you Where would you look.

Speaker 1 (02:51:11):
To I'm not a religious guy, but I would look
back to the time of Christ.

Speaker 2 (02:51:20):
That would just be extremely important to me.

Speaker 12 (02:51:24):
I think I would look at like the Younger Drias
and see if there were actually human advanced civilizations before
the Younger Drias.

Speaker 2 (02:51:37):
That would be cool, That would be very cool. It
would really support Graham Hancock's work. That's if it exists.

Speaker 1 (02:51:45):
If it exists, yeah, absolutely, Josh, Where can people find you?

Speaker 2 (02:51:49):
Twenty seconds?

Speaker 12 (02:51:51):
Yep, you can go to my website our Mystic journeys
dot com. That's oh you are, Mystic journeys dot com.
From there, my YouTube on my podcast work, everything I've
got going on you can find on my website.

Speaker 1 (02:52:07):
Thank you very much, the Wizard as we say good
night to you and hello to mister Ron. Bumblefoot Thaal
Rocket in the background with little brother is watching. Bumblefoot
is the official music of spaced Out Radio.

Speaker 2 (02:52:20):
Rocket us in and out of every single show.

Speaker 1 (02:52:22):
Get your horns up for the guitar God himself. Special
thanks to everybody listening in, at work, at home, in
your cars, wherever you may be. Thank you to everyone
in our chat rooms, tonight, YouTube, Twitch, helgab, Facebook, spreaker,
LinkedIn the Space Travelers Club, and on x at hashtag

(02:52:43):
spaced Out Radio. Remember this show is copyright by spaced
Out Radio and Big Twist Broadcasting Limited.

Speaker 2 (02:52:56):
Thank you so much for choosing.

Speaker 1 (02:52:58):
To share your evening with us, because together, my friends watching,
we own the Knights. Mister Bumblefoot, we need a favor,
We need you to take us home. Yes, the WU

(02:53:22):
train has docked for the night, but soon, my friends,
we shall ride again. Your seats are always available, your
tickets never expire, and if you want to bring a friend,
we've got room for them too.

Speaker 2 (02:53:36):
Good Night, everybody,

All Episodes

Nov. 10/25 - ET Abduction with Les Velez

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

Ruthie's Table 4

The Joe Rogan Experience

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Nov. 10/25 - ET Abduction with Les Velez